1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: It's Wednesday, September seventeen, twenty twenty five. The former US 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Secretary of State says China is playing a great game 4 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: in the Pacific. Kurt Campbell told the National Press Club 5 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: on Tuesday Beijing is relentless in its interference in Australian 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 1: initiatives in the region and could be behind a delay 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:33,560 Speaker 1: of a new security pact with Poppy New Guinea. Susan 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Lee will warn Australia is in danger of losing its 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: Triple A credit rating if reckless spending goes unchecked. The 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: opposition leader will make her first major economic speech on Wednesday. 11 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: She'll commit to putting a handbrake on taxes. Those stories 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: alive right now at the Australian dot com dot au. 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: It seems like an odd troop to take the victor 14 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: you're in. Premier is catching trains around China to talk 15 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: up Chinese investment in projects like renewable energy and maybe 16 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: even public transport, as well as her ambitions to bring 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: in more Chinese students. There are all topics that make 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: the federal government very nervous, so what's just into Alan 19 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: really up to in China? Anthony Galloway joins us from 20 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 1: a bustling Beijing railway station. 21 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: We've just spent the last twenty four hours in Beijing 22 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 2: after just into Alan, touchdown, and about to catch a train, 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: a fast train to Nanjing, where you will visit a 24 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: school and meet. 25 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:46,639 Speaker 1: This is The Australian's Victorian political editor, Anthony Galloway. He's 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: at a train station in Beijing. Of course, he is 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: with the state's labor premier. 28 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: Just into Alan and then we're going to catch another 29 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 2: fast train to Shanghai, so it will be a long day. 30 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: Allan is whizzing around China in honor of a new 31 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: strategy she's just released all about closer ties with China, 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: including more international students and bigger investment in Victoria. She's 33 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: already announced fast tracking a four hundred and thirty five 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: million dollar solar battery program funded by a Beijing company, 35 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: to be built in Victoria's northeast. Plus now there's talk 36 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: she'll allowed Chinese investment in Melbourne's suburban rail loop. The 37 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: timing is weird. Just a fortnight ago, Allen's predecessor, Daniel 38 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: Andrews a fellow member of the Socialist Left faction, embarrassed 39 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:40,519 Speaker 1: the federal government by showing up at Shijingping's giant military 40 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: parade when Australia's own ambassador had pointedly stayed away dentat 41 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: and Welcome to Chona. 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,839 Speaker 2: Dan Andrews appearance at that controversial military parade has really 43 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: complicated the optics for to Cina Allen's trip. Her entourage 44 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: weren't happy with it because this trip was locked in 45 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 2: months ago, and all of a sudden, her predecessor is 46 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 2: appearing at an event very much endorsing China's geopolitical kind 47 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 2: of moves in the region and the world. When Jacina 48 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,559 Speaker 2: Allen really wants to focus on things like education, boosting exports, 49 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 2: and boosting Chinese investment into Victoria, so she wants to 50 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: keep it about the economy, jobs. She doesn't want to 51 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: be talking about any kind of controversial geopolitical issues to 52 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 2: do with Beijing. 53 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: It's an important opportunity to strengthen the relationship with China 54 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 3: because it means focusing on jobs, jobs for working people 55 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 3: and Victorian families, and that's exactly what we'll be doing 56 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: this week while I'm in China. 57 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: When Dan Andrews was starting up and down red carpets 58 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: with Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong worn. It seemed like 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: a bit of a throwback to a more innocent time 60 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 1: when premiers of state in Australia thought that engagement in 61 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: China on the economy or on anything else was a 62 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: universally good thing. It's much more complex now, though, isn't it. 63 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: It is much more complex. It's really stark. During this trip. 64 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: I just get the sense from the Victorian premiere that 65 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: she doesn't want to talk about any of those other issues. 66 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 2: But I mean, the fact is under the Chinese system 67 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 2: that they do like to intertwine the economy and national 68 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: security issues. But that's not what Jacinta Allen wants to do. 69 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: It gets complicated when she's talking about boosting the amount 70 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 2: of Chinese investment into high tech industries in Victoria. So 71 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: this China strategy that she released talks about things like that, 72 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 2: talks about helping Chinese investors navigate the process of the 73 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 2: Foreign Investment Review Board. 74 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 3: I want to see Victoria as the first port of 75 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,239 Speaker 3: call for Chinese businesses to innovate and invest. 76 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: That kind of talk may set her on a collision 77 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: course with Canberra, because obviously agencies in CAM a kind 78 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 2: of reticence for Chinese investment into any kind of sensitive technologies. 79 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:07,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of concern at a federal level 80 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: about critical infrastructure investments by China and about kind of 81 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: anything that is adjacent to critical infrastructure. You know that 82 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 1: that term is up for definition. I guess, so how 83 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: much of what Jasinter Allen wants to do is actually 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: going to be able to be achieved. Can she persuade 85 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: the Foreign Investment Review Board to do something it's skeptical about. 86 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: I mean, they can help explain it, but at the 87 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: end of the day, you would think the Treasurer and 88 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,679 Speaker 2: the people that oversee the FURD process, with the advice 89 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 2: of agencies like AZIO, will make their decisions regardless of 90 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: anything that Victoria thinks. I mean. The other issue where 91 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: Jasinter Allen is potentially out of step with Canber is 92 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: she's saying it's all about education, education, education. She wants 93 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,720 Speaker 2: to boost the number of Chinese students studying at Victorian 94 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,359 Speaker 2: universities and vocational senses. But the Albanezi government has a 95 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 2: cap of two hundred and seventy thousand that they put 96 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 2: in base for twenty twenty five. Last month they announced 97 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 2: in additional twenty five thousand placements, but that's only for 98 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: universities who are one boosting student accommodation and two engaging 99 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: in Southeast Asia, not China. So Canberra wants more students 100 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 2: from Southeast Asia, probably less from China to kind of 101 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 2: improve that balance, given there is already so many Chinese 102 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 2: students studying in Australia, particularly in some of those Melbourne universities. 103 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 2: So the key part of our strategy may be a 104 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,760 Speaker 2: bit out of alignment with where Canberra wants to have had. 105 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Part of the Federal government's anxiety about student numbers 106 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: is related to housing, which of course is their great 107 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: undelivered promise from the previous election. You know, they promised 108 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,600 Speaker 1: to get housing affordability under control because they knew it's 109 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: a massive issue, particularly in Sydney. They haven't got there yet. 110 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 1: And the influx of migrants is one of the causes 111 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: of housing price increase, of course, as all other population 112 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: pressures are. Is that in Victoria though, I mean is 113 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: housing hot enough in Melbourne where, of course the property 114 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: market's very different. To make this something that Cinta Allen 115 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: would be worrying about or not is the goal of 116 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: propping up the education sector? You know, does it override 117 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: that concern? 118 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: It seems to override it for just center Allen. As 119 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 2: you say, the property market in Melbourne's different story to 120 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: say Sydney, but it's really heading up in Victoria the 121 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 2: past few months. And I think that need to provide 122 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 2: student accommodation stock is just as relevant in Melbourne as 123 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 2: anywhere else. 124 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 3: I will always say yes to international students and I'm 125 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: not going to be deterred because it's so important. It's 126 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: so important. It means jobs, it means opportunities, particularly for 127 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 3: regional kids. 128 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 2: She is really talking about regional Victorian universities, so that 129 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: may be perhaps where she's heading, kind of changing that 130 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 2: balance between less overseas students at Melbourne unis more in 131 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: some of those regional campuses, so she could be heading there. 132 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: What's your sense of her as a leader, Anthony in 133 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: light of this trip. You know, she's potentially starting a 134 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: fight with Anthony Albanezi. She's not happy about Daniel Andrews, 135 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 1: but she's forged a head anyway. She's on this trip. 136 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: Is she kind of you know, slightly unwilling guest of 137 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: the Chinese government and having to make it. 138 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: All look good. 139 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 1: Or is this, you know, the just into kind of 140 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: crash or crash through strategy? 141 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 2: It seems a bit that way. I mean, it's hard 142 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 2: to see what they want out of this trip except 143 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: more of the same. To go back to the strategy, 144 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: it's a lot more vague than the plan released by 145 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews in twenty sixteen. It doesn't sign Victoria up 146 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: to hard targets. It will be really hard to judge 147 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 2: this strategy in a few years time about whether it's 148 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 2: this success or a failure. So one is left wondering 149 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 2: is a big reason why this trip is taking place 150 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: more about politics? So her entourage includes five Labor MPs 151 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,719 Speaker 2: with the highest number of Chinese Australian voters. So is 152 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: it really about hitching to Chinese Australians who were so 153 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 2: crucial to State Labour's win last election heading into a 154 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 2: November election in twenty twenty six reminding Chinese Australians in 155 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: Victoria that the Liberal Party can't talk to these voters 156 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: and that Labor really can. I thank you, okay, thank you, 157 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: that's find so much me. 158 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: Send me the audio just you can send it on WhatsApp. 159 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 2: It was great, Thanks, okay, catch up for. 160 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: And then he was gone. Anthony Galloway is The Australian's 161 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: Victorian political editor. He's been in the job just a 162 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and he's already smashing out the scoops, 163 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: including a story that brought down the president of the 164 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: Victorian Liberal Party. You can check out his reporting anytime 165 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au