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Speaker 1: Kayl and welcome mate. Boys, we're just talking about mates.

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Speaker 1: We've got your hair because you've just you've just gone

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Speaker 2: Your head to the deadlines, getting the head.

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Speaker 1: Are you keeping mate?

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Speaker 2: I'm going well, going well. Spent some time in your

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Speaker 2: neck of the woods, which is nice. Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: It is nice. It's nice to be a bit closer

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Speaker 2: to you in some ways. But it's and I think

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Speaker 2: I've been off for four weeks now. It's been good.

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Speaker 2: It's been good.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. We have people here in interviews and one

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Speaker 1: of the things that is synonymous is they've all had

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Speaker 1: a big night out with Cooper Nathan clearing where you

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Speaker 1: stumbled in and saw sweet Ivan naked.

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Speaker 3: I did, Yeah, Yeah, I saw Nathan Ivan's peace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what about Kaylon? Have you seen Andreas? Have

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Speaker 1: you seen Andres Dick here?

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Speaker 3: I haven't seen Andreas, certainly seen Kaylon's. No, but we

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Speaker 3: have had a few nice together.

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Speaker 2: I got stuck, and I hope you take that in

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Speaker 2: the best way possible. I've got stuck with you. Probably

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Speaker 2: three or four weeks ago, had a great time, had

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Speaker 2: a really good night, wasn't it.

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Speaker 4: It was fun?

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Speaker 2: It was fun. Something happened that night. I'm not too

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Speaker 2: sure what it was, but something something, I think something happened.

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Speaker 3: Between Yeah it did. I like we we've had we've

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Speaker 3: had a lot of the nights before out together, but

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Speaker 3: it's never really just been me and you. This night,

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Speaker 3: it was the kind of was.

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Speaker 1: Just you usually have to share Kaylen around.

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Speaker 3: It was just one we've usually been in the big group.

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Speaker 2: It was a good day. It was a really good day.

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Speaker 2: We just go local.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we've just been down to the local, mate, your

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Speaker 3: local Coloroi Yeah, excellent, you've been.

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Speaker 4: Every like every day the last six weeks.

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Speaker 1: Careful, I was like, when you sit up there before

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Speaker 1: we're upstairs talking about Caitlyn Gas. Yes, I saw yesterday,

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Speaker 1: just staying that's side of the coloroio alert alert too careful,

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Speaker 1: the bosses listening. Did she not know you?

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Speaker 4: And down?

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Speaker 1: She worked it out? When she looked at the bank

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Speaker 1: account and I took money out, Yeah, I thought I

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Speaker 1: was just giving it to charity. I wasn't playing bakers.

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Speaker 4: Was that was that her name? Already?

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Speaker 1: Mate? Well, we might as wind it up. We can't

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Speaker 1: get him ed brilliant.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Caitlin, before we get into your career, mate, I

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Speaker 3: wanted to bring up this isn't your first podcast experience,

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Speaker 3: because you, Connor Watson and Maddi Kroger used to do

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Speaker 3: a podcast of your own. Matthew, I don't know if

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Speaker 3: you listened to it two five seven Collective.

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Speaker 1: We did. We used to do a couple of epps.

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Speaker 2: This is a while ago, four years ago.

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Speaker 3: It would have been COVID three years ago.

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Speaker 2: Four years ago we started, which is sort of before

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Speaker 2: the trend which I see you have jumped on.

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Speaker 1: We're all like you can make a dollar. We were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we did have a podcast that went well. I

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Speaker 3: Had Jack on it one stage.

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Speaker 2: Jack John's Jack provided some great some great content. To

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and because it's quite quirky his sense of humor,

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Speaker 1: People said to me, the boys up there. Jack's hilarious.

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Speaker 2: No, we have had some good times away and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: But yes, so early boys are just moving away. Connor's

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Speaker 2: He works, he works hard for what he gets.

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Speaker 3: So him my favorite and this is something that will

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Speaker 3: But there was Curtis Dark. There was a there's a

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Speaker 3: video of a certain music video that these boys, you

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Speaker 3: guys created a music video. One they wrote a song

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Speaker 2: Have you got the video of that? Is that still

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Speaker 1: Jack? Do you have that?

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Speaker 2: We all had to freestyle. I think we all had

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Speaker 1: Well. It's got a history of sporting teams doing this.

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Speaker 1: Of course. It used to be a tradition with the

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Speaker 3: So boys, so boys, who are you talking to?

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Speaker 1: Just starting to.

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Speaker 2: Think about kayl better than the start of a song.

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Speaker 2: A verse was that a band? What it could be?

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Speaker 2: More than what.

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Speaker 1: It could be? It could be?

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Speaker 3: Were you drunk in that?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah Kaylon Susan's end, you get a chance to have

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the first four weeks the off season, I did

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Speaker 2: Kind of just didn't have my phone for ten days,

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Speaker 2: noise that is in Australia sad times. But you can't

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Speaker 2: You want to get back to pre season and being good, Nick,

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Speaker 2: just it is more mental than physical like preseasons. It's

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Speaker 1: Don't want you to comment on this, but I've just

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Speaker 1: got a suggestion for you, right you too want us

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Speaker 1: to mate sometimes like you know, saying I want to

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Speaker 1: So what you're saying to next time mate, don't be

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Speaker 3: And another thing I'm saying is we got your back.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, excellent calves.

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Speaker 2: And I love wins.

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Speaker 3: Jade love does win at the end of the day.

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Speaker 3: But Jade and Bradley one of the great blokes as

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Speaker 2: But we go back to training in four and a

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Speaker 1: Before there was the rp A. You're at the mercy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we get nine at night.

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Speaker 3: We you're talking to two blokes who were no longer

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Speaker 2: But you've got plenty of time off.

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Speaker 3: Excuse me, mate, I've worked year round. I haven't had

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Speaker 2: The end your weekends like a vacation.

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Speaker 1: Get off is the right work? Yeah, Kaylen, you grew up,

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Speaker 1: You grow up, You grew up and are you born

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Speaker 1: in Perth w a w poor headline? So just somebody?

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Speaker 1: So then at two years two years of age you

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Speaker 3: That uni town Parmeston North played there. I went out

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Speaker 2: It's small, it doesn't have much there.

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Speaker 3: It's a good it's good nightlife though because it's a

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Speaker 3: good night out, be honest.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true.

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Speaker 3: There's if there's a pub. There was karaoke and me

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Speaker 3: That's power. There's power growing up in New Zealand.

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Speaker 3: No, No, you your Maori heritage because you are a

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Speaker 3: It's funny a lot of the current NRL crop like

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Speaker 2: It just reminds you that those camps are crazier as

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Speaker 1: And that's where straight away everything everything changed. You know,

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Speaker 1: to say, not flattering, but it was almost more awe

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Speaker 1: this is something I've watched on TV. Now that's happening.

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Speaker 2: And I played one of the Alsar games. It was

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Speaker 3: There are some people who you know, it's like it's

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Speaker 1: He's also very awkward with.

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Speaker 3: It, like he doesn't it doesn't come naturally for him.

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Speaker 4: He's not good at doing that yea.

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Speaker 2: Off stand in the back. Yeah, but when you're doing

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Speaker 1: The Wallabies for years.

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Speaker 3: A lot of it behind that's what you're doing a game.

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Speaker 1: trying to show like, hey, we're not intimidated. You're going guys,

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Speaker 1: If you weren't intimidated, you stand your ground.

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Speaker 1: So you get that thirteen years of age. I fairly

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Speaker 2: We're friends. That's easy to me.

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Speaker 4: When you're good at sporting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what I mean. And I always I

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Speaker 1: you see Mara Donna as a young child. You know,

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Speaker 1: I viewed him on Triple and once. He was saying

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Speaker 1: and people would travel like hundreds of miles to watch

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Speaker 1: Like you know you're a modest guy, but no, but seriously,

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Speaker 2: I think so. I think definitely a rugby league and

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Speaker 2: was like what's going on here? But it's hard for

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Speaker 2: to I heard about you.

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Speaker 1: When you were a young fella. I was told Andrew.

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Speaker 1: Someone told Andrew Joey in turn told me, he said,

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Speaker 1: there's young Mari kid who's coming through the grades. His

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Speaker 4: He's not anymore.

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Speaker 2: The other the other who's he from? What's on these days?

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Speaker 1: I used to have Brad Parker was hey, Scorpia, No, but.

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Speaker 3: In all seriously because me and you were, I think

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Speaker 3: you're a year older than me. K. But when I

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Speaker 3: remember your your Churchy Highlight, like you know what I mean,

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Speaker 3: Like when that Churchy Highlights video came out, you're playing

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Speaker 3: first scene up there. I think Jayden Sewer and Kraft

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Speaker 1: The side of wind because I spoke to Crafty he said,

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Speaker 1: I played with KP And oh what did you play?

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Speaker 1: Half pack? He yet, now I played wing in your highlights.

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Speaker 1: You flip past into this nuggly little winger.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But like that that Highlights package that was getting sent

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Speaker 3: have been weird. Where you're a sixteen year old kid,

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Speaker 3: but you're almost famous in your own age group for

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Speaker 2: That was a weird That was a weird time. I

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Speaker 2: I guess you're humbling me and not buying into it

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Speaker 2: There was some was one game we won by like sixty,

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Speaker 2: media is like and what you know, what helped me

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00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 2: dealing with people's opinions or dealing with a little bit

441
00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,480
Speaker 2: of spotlight. And to have that at sixteen years of

442
00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,920
Speaker 2: age or fifteen, it was probably a blessing in disguise.

443
00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,359
Speaker 1: It could be tricky to be have that sort of

444
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:48,360
Speaker 1: talent at a school where rugby and sport is so revered,

445
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's prestigious.

446
00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,760
Speaker 2: Then yeah, like you feel like you've made it.

447
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was going to ask you because what you

448
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: see a lot of times with rugby union is the

449
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 1: very best rugby union kids when Joey traditionally a lot

450
00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:03,880
Speaker 1: of them don't go through and they become top line.

451
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,320
Speaker 1: Is because there's too much pressure pressure on the high school.

452
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, church is the same as is it like

453
00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 2: Scott's down here, Riverview sort of King's GPS schools. It

454
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 2: is that you go, you play on the weekend. There's

455
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: only nine games in the year, and the whole school's there,

456
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:26,120
Speaker 2: plus their whole school, So there could be like three

457
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: thousand and four thousand people which had a you know,

458
00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,880
Speaker 2: at a school field. That's quite a lot. They're chanting,

459
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's an awesome experience. I see a

460
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 2: lot of the boys transfer over to league more than anything.

461
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: I'm not too sure if that's you know, rugby league

462
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 2: talking or you know, rugby union not doing it its

463
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: purpose or job. I know, definitely for me, I wanted

464
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: to go down the rugby union path, but it Yeah,

465
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,280
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed union. Obviously I was doing well, so

466
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 2: that was probably why. But there's just no real pathway

467
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 2: I feel. I don't know what it's like now.

468
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 1: Well it's changed several times, Kaylon, and us being rugby

469
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 1: league people would be extremely arrogant of us to rest

470
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 1: on our laurels thinking that it wouldn't happen again. I mean,

471
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 1: rugby league for one hundred years had the whip hand

472
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: on rugby union. Ninety five, rugby union becomes professional. Suddenly

473
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: he's got all this money, starts pinching rugby league players

474
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: and all the best league kids are going to union schools.

475
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: Now it's swung again.

476
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 2: It's definitely the opposite. Yeah, so well it's the all

477
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,479
Speaker 2: go the roosters.

478
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,400
Speaker 3: It's weird, which is weird because they haven't got money.

479
00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 1: They haven't.

480
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:40,280
Speaker 3: But a young player who just signed up manly actually

481
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: Joey Welsh. I went to school with his brother. Now

482
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: he was like a hot prospect coming through for rugby union.

483
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: Similar thing to UK, like the lack of there actually

484
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: being a program for a kid to go. I actually

485
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,800
Speaker 3: can't see where I'm about to, like, I can't see

486
00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,960
Speaker 3: the clear path to get into that first grade system.

487
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 3: And he was asking me a lot of NRL clubs

488
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: that come and bumping me and like what do you

489
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: think about this? And I was like, Oh, you can

490
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 3: always go into a league system, try to break into

491
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 3: first grade.

492
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: And then kind of go back to union.

493
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: It's very hard for a kid in the pathway to

494
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:19,959
Speaker 3: try to make it a rub a Union and then

495
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 3: try to swing across the league because it hasn't got that.

496
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 3: It hasn't got the same esteem at the moment.

497
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 1: The very best, some of the greatest All Backs players.

498
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 1: Joan Olami was a league player coming through Wellington around

499
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 1: way Nui. I played with Tanu Muga tana Was. I

500
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: played with him at the Knights and then he went

501
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: home being home seeking. He wasn't a union player. I

502
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, how do you get in the Union?

503
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: He said, I just went back once and our game

504
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: was called off and made to play. Union. Said you

505
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 1: want to have a game, and he said, scored full

506
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 1: trials end up in the junior All Backs. So it's yeah,

507
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: you're right, coops.

508
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: I wonder how leagues going over there moving felt like

509
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: that last year when they put thirty on us in

510
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 2: the final, that for sure, and I wonder how it's

511
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 2: gone like in terms of juniors juniors because all the unions,

512
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 2: like all the schools over there, union majority of them are.

513
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: And they've been very clever the All Blacks. What really

514
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: put a dent in their junior stocks the All Blacks

515
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,439
Speaker 1: was when the under Holden Cup come in and suddenly,

516
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: because Holden Cup was on television, they had all the

517
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 1: best young junior kiwi's banging on their door, the Warriors

518
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: saying we want to play, we want to want to

519
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 1: play rugby leagues, I want to be on TV. Hence

520
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: the reason why in our twenties compence so long, the

521
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: Warriors were unbeatable, like Conrad Horrible, something like thirty tackle

522
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 1: busts a game.

523
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mason Leno.

524
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: Just bigger than everyone.

525
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: Yeah huge that in twenties, that's all so like, kaylen

526
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 1: you played Australian school boys at fourteen for fifteen for fifteen.

527
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 1: You're one of the only two people who've ever done that. Yeah,

528
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: really good.

529
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah's too many achievements.

530
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,280
Speaker 2: I forget I did that. Yeah. It was like if

531
00:24:59,320 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: someone astually had.

532
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well to me, people say how many logas you mean?

533
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I lost count. What about the other sports?

534
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 3: Because you just said you want to play rugby union,

535
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: you kill their league? Golf, golf? I love your golf.

536
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 2: Still still on the golf.

537
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: How how serious was the golf dream as a king?

538
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: It was?

539
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: It was probably from ten till thirteen fourteen, so young,

540
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 2: very young, it was. It was a massive passion of mine.

541
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: I learned a lot of lessons from golf. I think

542
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: that was its main tool. Wasn't At the time it wasn't,

543
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 2: but now I look back and it definitely was. But

544
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: when you move to Mackay, you can't really play golf

545
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 2: like you play rugby league. Everyone plays rugby league like

546
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,919
Speaker 2: it's It's almost like a culture in the small towns

547
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 2: in Queensland. So the golf got pushed aside. And yeah,

548
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:47,880
Speaker 2: I picked up a foot.

549
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: But Brisbane Lines you're in their academy for a sint

550
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: in the AFL. The Brisbane Lines you're in the Bronco

551
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: system too, Kaylen, So you make you've been involved in

552
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,959
Speaker 1: a lot of sported in different play. I suppose when

553
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: I ask you is at fifteen years of age. Just so,

554
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: the Brisbane lines want you, the Queensland reds Watcher, the

555
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: Broncos want you, the Storm watching, the Roosters want you,

556
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: right and the Storm and the roosters usually they don't

557
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: miss out on their man. But you go, you go

558
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys. Firstly, did you meet with the Storm

559
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: and the roosters?

560
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: Fifteen? I think I did with the Roosters, not the Storm. Yeah,

561
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 2: why the Cowboys had a good connection with Virus. Oh yep, yeah,

562
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 2: he was going to be my manager. Oh wow, I

563
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: met him when I was like fourteen. Maybe, Yeah, I

564
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 2: just wanted wanted something different, to change, go up there

565
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: and be in that system. Was also close. We're from

566
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: a class so we had family in towns as well,

567
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: so it wasn't too It wasn't a hard move or anything.

568
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: There was a club on the oven up so yeah,

569
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: there was yeah.

570
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was pretty naive and I wasn't out

571
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: of touch, but I just I didn't realize, you know,

572
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: where that where the cows were at that point. But

573
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: definitely went up there at a lucky time or a

574
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: good time to be a junior learning of the players

575
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 2: that I did. But yeah, I spent some three years

576
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,360
Speaker 2: up there. I think it's finished school up there, made

577
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 2: some good friends.

578
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of your mates stand like your best mate

579
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 3: Bailey now who lives with you. You met him up

580
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 3: there at school, met him at school.

581
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:25,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

582
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: And then some of the other some of the guys

583
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 3: in that twenty side, who was Brandon Smith.

584
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 2: Brandon Smith common has really army kick out, kick out, Yeah,

585
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: it was almost kicks was unsoppable like in twenties it was.

586
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: It was just got a left post for a kicks,

587
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: Let's just give it to kicks. And he played center

588
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: for US a couple of games. He played back thro front.

589
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: He was unsickitty and.

590
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 4: Mosby as well.

591
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: He was a good play Yeah, like the hammer wasn't

592
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 1: he moved a bit.

593
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: Like maybe he was unbelievable that it was in twenties

594
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 2: and then he kind of like cracked it and but

595
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: they just couldn't quite couldn't quite crack.

596
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: So I understand, like it's very easy to say, oh,

597
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: why do they let him go because they had a

598
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,360
Speaker 1: great crop of players established and proven that they're going

599
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: to win a camp, you know, just just after but

600
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: you know, you makes you want.

601
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: How do you lose Jerome Hughes was there when I

602
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: was Oh Jesus.

603
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,120
Speaker 1: Well, Jerome Williami kickout Brandon.

604
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 2: Now look that's crazy.

605
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 3: It's Husey's stories in Samory played one game at Titans,

606
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 3: they let him go, plays one game at cows they

607
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: let him go.

608
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: And now he's like, it was like me and him

609
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: and Lachlan Coop and they had us sitting there. Well

610
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: Cootie was obviously playing, but they had Roomy and I

611
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: sitting there and yeah, I remember just being like I'm

612
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: going to go. Yeah, I think he had decided to leave.

613
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: And then I don't know who played that.

614
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: Debut twenty sixteen on the wing in a finals match. Again,

615
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 1: I think only one of two or three people to

616
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: make your debut on the finals match up against the Broncos.

617
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,959
Speaker 1: You know you're naturally confident, Blake, but that I mean,

618
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: it's a big occasion. Against the Cowboys versus Broncos is

619
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 1: massive at any time, but to play him in a

620
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: finals game, particularly your first touch, I think you beat

621
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: everyone in the site three or four times.

622
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 3: Did you get called back from an obstruction or something?

623
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a tunnel vision of doing like I

624
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 2: don't I do remember, I just I couldn't see anyone,

625
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: but I think there's Darius in front of me. That's

626
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: all I remember. It kind of went blurry for a

627
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 2: little bit there that little period, but it was an

628
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: awesome achievement. Was obviously it's awesome.

629
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: What was it like playing with Jonathan Thurston?

630
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 4: Was that?

631
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: Was he sort of a hero growing up in Queensland

632
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 3: for you? Like did you really idolize him at all?

633
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 3: Or was it because you you're very your personality is

634
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 3: very much You're very.

635
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: Casual as I am, casual in trouble a little bit sometimes, yeah,

636
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: but it's not.

637
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Yeah.

638
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: Anyway, I began to appreciate him more once I saw

639
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: how he trains, how he works, how hard he plays.

640
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: He's got no excuses. I think in that in that

641
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: my debut, I was on his wing and he was

642
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: kind of sick for that game and he was crook,

643
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: but like he just he's just like how hard he works.

644
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: I think he pushed me in. He went to the

645
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 2: wing a few times, pushed me in and it was

646
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: like fourth or fifth and I'm like thinking, of a man,

647
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 2: I got to go back here, Like are you going

648
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 2: to go back or do me to just like yeah,

649
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: like I know you're tired, Like, what do you want

650
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: me to do? I idolized how hard he works, and

651
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 2: I think that just seeing that like him, Michael Morgan,

652
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: Matt Scott, Luckie Cute, Gavin Cooper, all these you know,

653
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 2: great players I got to look up to and spend

654
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 2: two pre seasons or three pre seasons with them and

655
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: seeing how they work. That was that was a big

656
00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: one for me.

657
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: I mean that's for a long time. North Queensland Klein

658
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: when they first came to the competition in nine ninety five,

659
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: it took them a long long time to really fulfill

660
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: their potential because you know that they never really understood

661
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: that the conditions were their fourteenth man. It wasn't until

662
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: Billy Johnston went up there and said, listen, guys, we

663
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: ain't training you know, air conditioned gym, and we're gonna

664
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: we're going to train hard in the hottest part of

665
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: the day. You know, we're going to make it that

666
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: every time that opposition side comes up here they can't

667
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 1: beat us. So that was what was what was the

668
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: life training up there.

669
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 2: It's different, Yeah, it's almost now as a competitor, like

670
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: they do get the upper hand, but they're on the field.

671
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that they start at like seven in

672
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: the morning, off the field by nine like there. They

673
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 2: definitely do accommodate for it. They're not putting air corn

674
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: in the gyms and whatnot. But it was it was tough,

675
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: like the preseasons were tough. I don't know if it's

676
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 2: just because I was young and having KFC on Wednesdays

677
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 2: still like those sort of things was the folly. Yeah,

678
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: we used to. Wednesday used to be our biggest session.

679
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 2: It was like a wrestling session, and then afterwards a

680
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: couple of us would go and get KFC after But

681
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: then like on the Friday, I'd be I'd be I couldn't,

682
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I would finish the session, but I'd be

683
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: missing my times. Looking back, that's obviously why. You know

684
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: it's the Colonel, but at the time I didn't know why.

685
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, the heats, it plays a big part. You

686
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: go up there now and play.

687
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: Very clever in the early days, Kalon when you went

688
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: up there, because you'd walk in. First time I played

689
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: up there, Yeah, you walk into the ground, you go, okay,

690
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: well it's warm, but it's not too bad, and you'd

691
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,719
Speaker 1: walk into the dressing room and they'd have the air

692
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: condition that's what they're right now, and you just like, wow,

693
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: this is okay.

694
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: How good are they?

695
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 4: Oh?

696
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: Mate?

697
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: And you walk out, you do the warm up, the

698
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: community hit sho.

699
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: Right.

700
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: Two thousand and seventeen, you signed with the Knights while

701
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 3: you're still at the Cows. First of all, why the Knights?

702
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 3: And second of all were the Cows? Because rugby league

703
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 3: it can be quite a petty game sometimes when somebody

704
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: makes a decision to do what's best for them. How

705
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: was the relationship with the Cowboys after that decision?

706
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't great. It wasn't great. I remember, yeah, it

707
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 2: wasn't great. I decided to go because I actually was

708
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: over the game at this point. I was. I think

709
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: I was eighteen when I signed, and I wanted to

710
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: be I debuted in twenty seventeen, sixteen, twenty sixteen. At

711
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: debut twenty sixteen, twenty sixteen, and I think I played

712
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: six games that next year and I wanted to play Cup,

713
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: but they didn't want me to play Cup. I don't

714
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: know if it was because they didn't think I was

715
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 2: ready or for what reason, but so I was like,

716
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: I was pretty over it. So I was like, oh, well,

717
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: I might go to AFL. And this is when I

718
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: was really considering going to.

719
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: AFL the Brisbane Lines again because they have second cracket. Yeah,

720
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: your four year deal, yeah.

721
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: It was five five years. Yeah, So I was pretty committed,

722
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: just because at this point I was like, I'm over

723
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: rugby league. I want to go challenge myself somewhere else.

724
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: And I backed myself to if I know, like, if

725
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: I put the work in, i'll you know, I'll do

726
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: something you know not going to But so I was

727
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: sort of over it and then met with the Knights,

728
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 2: just went down there. They rolled the red carpet out, beds,

729
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: met beds, he took us around, played golf and just

730
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 2: sort of thought like there's a challenge in this in itself,

731
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: so like why not?

732
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 4: Yeah?

733
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: What was that?

734
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: What did you see the challenge? Did you like the

735
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: idea of such a young kid, as a teenager, having

736
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 3: I guess, the weight of the team on your shoulders.

737
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 3: Did you like that pressure? Because a lot of young

738
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 3: bugs don't like that pressure, But did you like that?

739
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: I think I was a bit naive and not arrogant,

740
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 2: but I didn't want to sit behind someone and learn. Yeah,

741
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: I wanted to. I know for myself, I learned best

742
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: when I'm out there doing it, and then I can

743
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: sort of like afterwards, I can look back and be like, oh,

744
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: I didn't do that well, instead of watching someone do

745
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: it and then me I'm not very good learning that way.

746
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 2: So I was like, I'm going to go down there.

747
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: I want to play every game. That's my goal is

748
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: to play every game next year. And I didn't think

749
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 2: I was going to have the year that I had.

750
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone could really predict that I was

751
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,719
Speaker 2: going to do what I did. But yeah, I just

752
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: went down there and I didn't feel like I had

753
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 2: any expectations. I kind of just played and played freely.

754
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: Definitely lived a lifestyle of a twenty twenty year old

755
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 2: that was a twenty year old.

756
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: Like.

757
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 2: In terms of diet, partying and all those sort of things.

758
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 2: I was definitely not where I needed to be, But yeah,

759
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: it was an awesome year for me.

760
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: Callum like, it's a tough town still workers, coal miners,

761
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 1: people who are brickies, very much a blue collar town.

762
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: Now you sign on. I think Ben Kennedy was a

763
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: big signing that came to the club. But I think

764
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: you're the biggest signing at the time and your highest

765
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: paid teenager in Regula League history. How when you first

766
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: went into the town, what was the reaction from people

767
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: within the town. Did they embrace you immediately or how

768
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: was it?

769
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: I think they did. I felt like they did. I

770
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 2: felt that they did, and then probably end of twenty nineteen,

771
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 2: I felt like there was maybe a shift and then

772
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 2: maybe for a couple of years O. I don't know,

773
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 2: it might not have been me or you know, the

774
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: team probably wasn't performing the way it should have been,

775
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: and obviously that the town wants success, and I think

776
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: the town's hungry and starving for it. And then it

777
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 2: wasn't probably until last year where I felt like they

778
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,879
Speaker 2: had their arms around us again. But and like it's

779
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: as part of it, you know, we need to perform

780
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: and we want to be we want to do that

781
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: for the town. But I feel like at the start

782
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: it was, you know, sunshine and roses, and then a

783
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: few scars and a few things happen, but yeah, I

784
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: think we're back now.

785
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: On your debut that night against Manly at home, I

786
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: was in the crowd watching it with Chief and Spadan

787
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: and Fletcher I've rarely felt an excitement just rippling through

788
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: the crowd, people anticipating and waiting for you to come out,

789
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: big crowd. On top of that, it's against Manly. I

790
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: remember your first two touches the football. They put a

791
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
Speaker 1: bomb up, catch the ball as a bomb, You beat

792
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: two blokes and go through and the excitement raised. And

793
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: then about a minute after you score a try skipping

794
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: past that left side. It's a pretty it's a pretty

795
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: decent way to start your nice career.

796
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think me being like this, like sort of

797
00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: laid back, carefree sort of person that those sort of things,

798
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 2: it just goes over my head, which plays into my

799
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: hands in a way. I don't even really think about

800
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: all that sort of stuff. And maybe at the time

801
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: I might of like I would have felt the excitement.

802
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: But you know, those big occasions like its just exciting.

803
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 2: I'm not scared or anything of Well, you said.

804
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: Just something interesting before when you got that ball, that

805
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: first touch against the Broncos, and the fact that you

806
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: said it was just it was a blur. I think

807
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: a lot of young players conticipate. Sometimes when you do

808
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: something good, it just happens, not through planning, And that

809
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: was undoubtedly with you and probably your expectations where most

810
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 1: people would go, oh wow, that was phenomenal. You've been

811
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: doing that all along, you know, that's what you used

812
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: to winning that game. It was in Golden Point. To

813
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: Mitchell Pierce, that was that really was that really was

814
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: a great night. Yeah. I think it was pieces like

815
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,399
Speaker 1: first ever field goal too.

816
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: I'm pretty su sure it was. That's pretty crazy.

817
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, they'd hammered him his whole rooster's cree because he'd

818
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: never iced to feel like a Golden Point moment. And

819
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: then his first game he goes and drills that he

820
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 3: is one of the great blokes.

821
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 2: He's one of the he he is a great bloke.

822
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 2: He is he was to have him for the first

823
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 2: what was he three years? Four years? Is we all

824
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: know it is like he's a different cat. But for me, honestly,

825
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: like in terms of footy, once you step over that line,

826
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: his his willingness to give and teach and bring up

827
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 2: younger people. You know, he obviously trains hard. I don't

828
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 2: know how he comes back to preseason and still like

829
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: wins things that he did every year. He squeares ledger,

830
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: ultimate competitive, I reckon put everything else society was a competitor.

831
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: And the move to France has been so good for

832
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: him because I saw him when he got back, was

833
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: his new partner, and he just looked he looked happy. Yeah,

834
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: he looked. He looked happy. He looked far less scatter gun.

835
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 2: He was like, really, you know, Chatty, you need to friends.

836
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: But what was interesting on them because he was taken

837
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: out of well, there's an old saying that environment is

838
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: stronger than will and a lot of times, for all

839
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: Mitchell's good intentions, the environment that he was in out

840
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: here obviously would take him to certain places being over

841
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: there out of that environment and with his new partner,

842
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: and she's French, it was her. I saw her the

843
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: first time she went to a game. It was the

844
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: Roosters game, and she was blown away, like people were

845
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: coming out, left, right and center, and you could see

846
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: her going like my god like for him, she was

847
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: just Mitchell for her. For her, it was a real shot.

848
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 2: That's good.

849
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Yea, it is good.

850
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 4: It's pretty hectic.

851
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: Hey, you just spoke. I want to go back for

852
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: one second. You just spoke about how your nature, how

853
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: you don't really get phased by anything, and you said

854
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: earlier sometimes it gets you in trouble. Do you find well,

855
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 3: I suppose not now, because everybody at the Knights would

856
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 3: know what you're like. They understand it's just Kaylin, like

857
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: those those of your mates who text you and you

858
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: don't get back to him for weeks on and it's not.

859
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 4: Everybody understands he's.

860
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: One of the worst person on his own ever, it's

861
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: not personal.

862
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 4: It is just Kaylan.

863
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: Did you find coming through like when you were younger,

864
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 3: did coaches or you know, other older people. Do they

865
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 3: take that as you just don't care?

866
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. I actually had a coach this

867
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: has might have been two years ago and the Nights

868
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 2: three years ago. Kicking coach he said, he said, Oh,

869
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:46,879
Speaker 2: I just thought you didn't care, like just the way

870
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 2: that I am. I don't know what it's like. I

871
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: think a lot of people in this game they worry

872
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: about things, and I just don't worry, Like I don't

873
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 2: worry about anything. Like I'm not really someone to worry about,

874
00:41:58,320 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 2: you know, some certain things.

875
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 1: I just I do care.

876
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 2: I definitely care a lot about a lot of things

877
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 2: in terms of like the sport, myself, the team, But

878
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: I don't worry about things. Yeah, I think that's probably

879
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: where people maybe get a little bit mixed up. But definitely,

880
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: like I mean, my two years ago, three years ago,

881
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 2: the game was saying that I don't I'm not interested

882
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: in that, I don't love it, and you know, he

883
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: wants to go elsewhere and all these sort of things like, yeah,

884
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 2: it does definitely gets me in trouble, but I've I

885
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 2: don't have to justify anything to anyone, you know what

886
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 2: I mean, Like, I know that if I'm within myself,

887
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: I know I do everything right to perform on the

888
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,320
Speaker 2: weekend of preparation and all those sort of things. I

889
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: trained hard, so it took me a little while to

890
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 2: learn all that. Like when I was with Jack in

891
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: twenty and twenty one, twenty two, you're a kid, like

892
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 2: I was a kid that was playing really good footing.

893
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 2: I think it probably caught up on me a little bit.

894
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think people just worry. I don't really

895
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: worry about things.

896
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I saw you this year. I reckon Kalon

897
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 1: at the back end of of the season just passed.

898
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: I think you probably conquered for you what was the

899
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: most difficult thing, and that is being the leader that

900
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: everyone looks to like I saw a shift in you

901
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: at the right at the back end of last season,

902
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: just the way you address the team, the way the

903
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: players look to you, the responsibility that you took on.

904
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: I could see the disappointment at times, you know, I

905
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: thought that your leadership really come to the fur at

906
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: the back end.

907
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: I look up to Frizz a lot in that sense.

908
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 2: I think Tyson, he's not someone that talks a lot,

909
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 2: but he leads by his actions. Leadership still something that

910
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 2: I'm learning, probably not actively, like I'm not probably doing

911
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: as much as I should in terms of learning it,

912
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: but in terms of being around the group and understanding

913
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 2: what we need, I think, yeah, I think this year

914
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 2: I did probably grow in that area.

915
00:43:59,200 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

916
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially at the back end of the season. I

917
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: thought we were in a really good stead, you know,

918
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean, would like to be in the eight and

919
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: then pushing up you want to be higher up the ladder.

920
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: But in terms of a team, we knew what we

921
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: were doing.

922
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: State of Origin twenty eighteen State of Origin debut, along

923
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: with Camera Monster, close to the best Origin debut. Certainly,

924
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: like a lot of people have come out and said

925
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: that they've seen played in the middle for fifty two

926
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: minutes twenty nine tables. Good line, right, I definitely can

927
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: do it.

928
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did it.

929
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: I try to do it.

930
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: Dentaline being naive, not actually not knowing what was ahead

931
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 2: of me.

932
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 1: I think was the Game of Blue.

933
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I watched leading into Game three this year.

934
00:44:48,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: I watched my tackle technique from that game, just to

935
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: sort of like I sat down with one of the coaches.

936
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that was pretty good.

937
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 4: Put a shot on turbo.

938
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 2: I was. That was me, and I was I was,

939
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. I was just a kid, you know,

940
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 2: a kid that was out there with a ton of adrenaline. Yeah,

941
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 2: I definitely couldn't. I don't reckon I could do that now,

942
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: not for as long as I did.

943
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: You might surprise yourself.

944
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the fourteen, I don't know what number I was wearing,

945
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was. It was a blur, to be honest.

946
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: It's playing twenty twenty two, playing Game three and the slater.

947
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:29,440
Speaker 1: So you're a great fullback playing underneath another great fullback.

948
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: What did did Billy blow your way as far as

949
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: leading into the game.

950
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a pretty awesome coach. He's an awesome person

951
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: to start with, and I think that rubs off on

952
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 2: how he coaches. Yeah, his care, his knowledge is understanding

953
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: of the group in terms of his coaching. For me,

954
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: leading into the game just feels you with so much

955
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: confidence and you can't change much in a ten day

956
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: camp or a week camp. So like he just really

957
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: puts emphasis and just go there and do like what

958
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: you do best. He obviously gives you in terms of

959
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,760
Speaker 2: fullback position, it gives you tips and I'll still carry

960
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 2: them with me now, things that I if I hadn't

961
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: spoken to him, I wouldn't know. So I'm lucky in

962
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 2: that sense. But in terms of the mental side of it,

963
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: it's yeah, he just fills you with confidence. It gets

964
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 2: the best out of here.

965
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: I hope you don't mind me bringing this up. I mean,

966
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 3: we can always take it out, but we don't tell

967
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: you anything you want.

968
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: Out the preface you hold. I know I can actually

969
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 1: fill your asshole tightening.

970
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 2: There's one thing anyway you go, I'm.

971
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: Not bringing that up after that twenty twenty two Yeah,

972
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 3: and we're going to talk about a little bit of

973
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty three season, the head knock stuff.

974
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: But that, yeah, you remember that good fun done. It

975
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 1: was gone.

976
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: But after that twenty twenty two series where you're cemented

977
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: as that fullback you get man of the Match. I

978
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:58,160
Speaker 3: remember Jack and I were at dinner with your in

979
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 3: Newcastle the following series when you're waiting for them, you're

980
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 3: waiting for the from cook it yourself.

981
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, that steak.

982
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: Barbecue places.

983
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: I never understand where you go to those places. You

984
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 1: cook your own meat, just sit it home.

985
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But we were waiting for you to get the

986
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 3: call from Slatsy on whether you're going to because all

987
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 3: the thing was, you know, Caitlin's mister last chunk of

988
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: the first start of the year, but he was he

989
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: was how instrumental he was the year before they're going

990
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 3: to pick and stick and you got the call and

991
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: when you came back, you know, we could see how

992
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 3: much that Queensland Jersey meant to you and you're not

993
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 3: getting picked for that series. How much it really meant

994
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 3: to you? How I suppose what I want to ask is,

995
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 3: because we spoke about your multi heritage at the start,

996
00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: how much does playing for Queensland meant you?

997
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think my earliest memory of rugby league is

998
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 2: sitting in my uncle's shed and I was like I

999
00:47:55,920 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: would have been maybe five six watching Origin, my ad

1000
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 2: having the queens and Jersey on and him my uncle

1001
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 2: having a New South. I was Jersey on. That's my

1002
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,640
Speaker 2: earliest memory. That's I remember screen and that's that's all

1003
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 2: I remember. And then moving over to Australia when I

1004
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: was thirteen fourteen living in Makai. Like you, just it's

1005
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 2: it's all Queensland. So when I think about rugby league,

1006
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: that's you know, I think about the Queensland, Jersey and

1007
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 2: Origin and how big it is, and then now it's

1008
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: playing it and understand the feeling, the emotions and everything

1009
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 2: that goes into it. It's it's crazy. I don't think

1010
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: you can like winning that Game three at sun Corp.

1011
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 2: I don't think I'll well, hope I get to win

1012
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 2: a premiership and that might replace that feeling, but I

1013
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: don't think there's any bigger high or for me. So

1014
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: I know what that feeling is, like, I know as

1015
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: a competitor how much I enjoyed being in that arena.

1016
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 2: So I was pretty guarded.

1017
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:56,880
Speaker 1: Yeah I was.

1018
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: I was pretty guarded like you. When I think about

1019
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: all that, I understood his decision. I back I backed Billy,

1020
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 2: I back Queensland and yeah I was back and support them.

1021
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: The connection between the Queensland fans and the team is

1022
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: just remarkable.

1023
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: Is it different, Kaylen?

1024
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 4: I don't really get it.

1025
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: I don't think they get origin.

1026
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, like it just takes for us,

1027
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: it's not I think oftentimes, Kaylen. With New South Wales,

1028
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: we're at the mercy of the next coach that comes

1029
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: along a little if that makes sense. Who like like

1030
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 1: Madge was unbelievable because Madge identified straight away, I've got

1031
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: to get these players just in love with this jersey

1032
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: and pull them all together to do this, you know,

1033
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: and do a Queensland on Queensland. And I was at

1034
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: lunch and recently he got up and did a presentation

1035
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: on what he did to get the players going.

1036
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: It was it was outstanding any Queensland.

1037
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: No, no, there wasn't. We wouldn't let them in the.

1038
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: Probably wouldn't have been.

1039
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: There wasn't, but it was. It was out. But after

1040
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: that game through we just won. I believe did you

1041
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: go guys leave your gear on a go and have

1042
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: a bit of the Caxton?

1043
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 2: Do we leave our gear on? I heard you just

1044
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 2: run up to the sorry game three? Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

1045
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, it was awesome. By then, by the

1046
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 2: time we got there, it was like they had shut

1047
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: it off. There was a few like supporters still still around.

1048
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, we kept our gear on. Yeah, it was

1049
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. Likes those sort of things. It's

1050
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: pretty awesome. There's that that memory, like that game, that series,

1051
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 2: Like I want that. I definitely want that feeling that

1052
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three.

1053
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you talk about a bipolar season early on

1054
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,640
Speaker 1: in that season, like you know, stuffering firstly, the head

1055
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: knocks and I can only imagine Kaylen. I spoke to

1056
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: Boyd Courton about this a couple of years ago and

1057
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: he said to me, when he went through that, he said,

1058
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: the worst thing was that every single person and he

1059
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: walked past in the street had something to say about it.

1060
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: Was that the same with you?

1061
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,919
Speaker 2: When was that two years ago? Last year beginning of us, Yeah, yeah,

1062
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: crazy everyone, Like people were saying that I need to retire,

1063
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: Like if you look at what I've done now, and

1064
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm not saying I've done a lot, but like from

1065
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 2: like me need to retire, which is literally hanging the

1066
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 2: boots up to the way I've sort of gone about

1067
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 2: my foot over the last year and a half. Yeah,

1068
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty crazy what's happened.

1069
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: Well, that's again people are saying, oh, you know, he's

1070
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: one more head knock and his.

1071
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: Career is over.

1072
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: Suddenly you come back and go on one of the

1073
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: greatest runs I've seen the team. You take the team

1074
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: from fourteenth to fifth, you win the Deli and medal like.

1075
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: That's certainly a good way to salvage your season.

1076
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 3: That's the polar opposite from people saying you need to

1077
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 3: retire to them later.

1078
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: That means That's why I prefaced my comments by saying,

1079
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: what a bipolar season I know, And that's why I

1080
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: reinforced thank you.

1081
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: It was. It was the best thing for me was

1082
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: going to Canada. And I remember a couple of days.

1083
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 2: I was only over there for six or seven days,

1084
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: but for a couple of them, I just walked the

1085
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 2: streets of Canada and to be in a whole different country,

1086
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 2: walk past people not and know that they're not they

1087
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 2: don't know who I am.

1088
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: To let people know that was you went over there

1089
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: for the concussions for.

1090
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 2: The concussion test, right. Also that was also another.

1091
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: Good reason was that in Vancouver, Yes, yep.

1092
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty didn't get to enjoy Vancouver, but

1093
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: from what I hear, it's a great spot. But yeah,

1094
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 2: I just walked the streets and in terms of getting

1095
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: away from media and Australia, that was perfect. Kind of

1096
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 2: freshened me up to come back.

1097
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 1: What they do with the testing? How did they test?

1098
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: You wear like a.

1099
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:50,320
Speaker 2: Like a swimming cap.

1100
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: From my conspiracy theories, you were.

1101
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: A swimming cap and it tests it has like three

1102
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 2: tests cognitive thinking, how well you hear and process what

1103
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 2: you hear like yeah, right, and there's another one that

1104
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 2: tests for coffee that.

1105
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: Just look when you're an important man? Oh mate? Yeah?

1106
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: So yeah so they and what did.

1107
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: He say to you there after that? Their theory is

1108
00:53:21,040 --> 00:53:25,320
Speaker 2: you can train the brain, so yeah, depending on what

1109
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 2: my results were, you can train it. And they have

1110
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 2: they have different guess activities both like physical and I

1111
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: guess more mental actually training the brain. But in terms

1112
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: of like for me, it was my brain was in

1113
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: good Nick, you know, it was nothing wrong with it.

1114
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:44,880
Speaker 1: Just the last year, last year at the Headno, I

1115
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: just want to know what you're going through, Kailin talking

1116
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 1: to both Luke Kerey and Boyd Cordner. They said another

1117
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: thing that was Boyd particularly said it was really bad.

1118
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: Everyone kept saying one more head knocked and one more

1119
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 1: and he said he'd play a game and he'd get

1120
00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: there and he'd sort of come through and go, oh, no,

1121
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: I think I've just been knocked.

1122
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: Out, Like, well, I think we got I got back

1123
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: from Canada and I still tried to play six again

1124
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 2: and I'm not a well yeah I'm not a grade six,

1125
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

1126
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: So not yet?

1127
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah you will not yet? Will I won't be because

1128
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,279
Speaker 2: I want to say that one. But yeah, yeah, I

1129
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 2: went back into the front line and kind of just

1130
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: forgot about what I had just gone through. All right,

1131
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 2: let's forget it, let's just move on, and I could.

1132
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: I think I was a little bit timid for a

1133
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 2: couple of games there, two or three games. I'm trying

1134
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 2: to learn a position, yep, and then I'm also trying

1135
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: to get over what I've been through. So for me

1136
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 2: to go back to fullback and just play my game

1137
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 2: was probably the best. Well.

1138
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: Everyone always side Star and Lockyer as the perfect example

1139
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: of a guy who was at fullback and then transitions

1140
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: into six and does it seamlessly. He didn't do it seamless.

1141
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: In fact, the first twelve months he really struggled with it.

1142
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't a until I reckon with Lockie that he

1143
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,800
Speaker 1: learned to slow down and that'll help with his straight

1144
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,120
Speaker 1: and because he was always like playing for trying to

1145
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: skim on the outside. So it does, it does? It

1146
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:11,759
Speaker 1: takes time.

1147
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had like three or four games every time

1148
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 2: I try, so yeah, I probably need more than that.

1149
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1150
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, I think that the head knocks had a

1151
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: massive reason to do with it. Like you could have

1152
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 3: been at fullback and had just as many head knocks

1153
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 3: in that It could have just been the period of

1154
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: that year and we could have been saying we get

1155
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 3: him to six.

1156
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: You know that amazing run your head, Kaylon, when you

1157
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: I think sometimes for players the most beneficial thing they

1158
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: can have sometimes is being forced to sit in the

1159
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: stands and watch the game and sit on tape and

1160
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: watch their own game, Like did you learn a lot

1161
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: about your own game in that time out?

1162
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't sound bad, but it's not

1163
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 2: so much on the field. It's more like off the field.

1164
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: For me, what I do you know? And I think

1165
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: I come back from Canada and just was like so

1166
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 2: appreciative of being able to play and being grateful to play,

1167
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 2: and just I found routine that year as well, which

1168
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: I hadn't really had, probably was a little bit more professional,

1169
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 2: like an actual game, like my mentality going into games now,

1170
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: I think I have a good hold on I'm still

1171
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,360
Speaker 2: learning the game, definitely, I can still I know what

1172
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: parts of my game I want to get better at.

1173
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 2: But for me that year or last year and then

1174
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: back end of this year, it's all about how I

1175
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 2: mentally prepare for preparation.

1176
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right.

1177
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: You think you being happy when you're at your happiest

1178
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: off field, and you know you practice gratitude of fairbeit

1179
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 3: you spoke about that a lot in the past, But

1180
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: is that when you play your best footing?

1181
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, definitely. I definitely like I write things that

1182
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,399
Speaker 2: I need to do throughout the week, took them off

1183
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: when I get to the game day, I've done the work.

1184
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,359
Speaker 2: Just go out there and play.

1185
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 4: Now, flash forward to the end of the year.

1186
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 3: We spoke about you winning the Dali and it was

1187
00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 3: a huge thing your form for Newe're getting them from

1188
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 3: I think it was fourteenth or fifteenth into the top eight.

1189
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 1: Is there an egg girl in this thing?

1190
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 2: He's your son.

1191
00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 3: I believe that DNA is a powerful thing. But I

1192
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: want to ask you, after all of that, after the

1193
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 3: story I told a bit earlier, where you know, Billy

1194
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 3: rings you and you you lose your Queensland Jersey, how

1195
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 3: proud of you of yourself? Even now looking back, Like,

1196
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 3: how proud of you of yourself overcoming that and then

1197
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 3: turning that year yet around?

1198
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 2: I'm pretty proud. Yeah, definitely, I think, Yeah, yeah, definitely,

1199
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 2: I'm pretty proud. No, It's just like I think, even

1200
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: when I'm in my like not dark moments, but when

1201
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 2: I'm in downs, I believe that like there's always there's

1202
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 2: always it's always going to balance itself out, Like I'm

1203
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 2: always going to come through it. As as down I'm

1204
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 2: going to be, I'm going to come through it. I

1205
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know where that comes from or

1206
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 2: how it comes from or how I've got that mindset.

1207
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 2: But like it was a down, I was like I

1208
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 2: didn't make the team. I was cancust and almost out,

1209
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: But like I just have this belief in myself that

1210
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can perform.

1211
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: It's interesting because like to have that quality. K Like

1212
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 3: the amount of players in the NNERL that all of

1213
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: that could happen to, and then you know they could

1214
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: just go pack up or they get sacked, they go

1215
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 3: to the Super League. Like the amount of players that

1216
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: that has happened to in the creation of rugby league.

1217
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 3: Like there's not many who are resilient enough. And like

1218
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 3: you say, your personality probably helps you in that sense

1219
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: where you don't really get phased, who can bounce back

1220
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 3: from adversity so quick.

1221
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 1: I think sometimes I say this to young players. Sometimes

1222
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: I said, you've got care, but it's really important, you've

1223
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: got to let go. Like one of the things that

1224
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: really got to me and took me a long time

1225
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: to understand, we'd lose, And you can ask Trish about this.

1226
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: I'd basically lock myself in the room for three days

1227
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 1: and not come out, and like I'd cry after gains,

1228
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: be so embarrassed, so upset, and I realize now that

1229
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: really warm me down. It warmed me down where I've

1230
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: looked at other blakes who were my teammates and opposition

1231
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: guys I played against, like Stephen Menzies Beaver was right

1232
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: now for just going and may end up playing all

1233
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: up almost five hundred games when you combine the NRL

1234
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 1: and the Super League, Calen, I want to ask you

1235
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: something here, and I think this is really, really, really important,

1236
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: particularly for young people who are listening to this and

1237
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: see you as completely invincible and someone that would never

1238
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 1: basically have terse words set against them. I want to

1239
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: talk about social media, and we've got this terrible thing

1240
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: at the moment, this pandemic of young young people, young

1241
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: men and women, who are doing self harm from what

1242
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: they're copying online. Calen Ponger just you know, hero incredibly

1243
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: talented Dallian Metal State of Origins. Do you still cop

1244
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: shit online for immediates?

1245
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 2: Definitely? And I've got that I definitely do. It's a

1246
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: it's a scary space that social media. I've had to

1247
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 2: go through it in terms of learning how to control

1248
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 2: it or process it. My mom, My mom's had to

1249
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: learn how to do it, my dad, my little sister

1250
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: who's thirteen, she sees things. Yeah, it's it's a hard one.

1251
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 2: It's a you do have to, I guess, train yourself,

1252
01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 2: like I've honestly trained myself not to read things, and

1253
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 2: I understand that they're not going to help me like

1254
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,400
Speaker 2: that in terms of where my energy and what I

1255
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: care about, those comments aren't going to help me on

1256
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 2: the weekend, Like I'm even mindful the night before a

1257
01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: game about what I watch on like TikTok or stuff

1258
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,760
Speaker 2: like that, Like I don't want to watch anything that

1259
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: has to do with foot you because it's just going

1260
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 2: to block my mentals. So it's a it is a

1261
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 2: scary thing. My sister's thirteen, she's on, you know, she's

1262
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: on like my Instagram, TikTok and all these things. It's tough.

1263
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 2: It's hard for me to just say that you need

1264
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 2: to train yourself not to read them because it's some people.

1265
01:00:59,600 --> 01:00:59,960
Speaker 2: It's hard.

1266
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: Well, culturally, people of my generation over fifty, you have

1267
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 1: a build public. These kids just turn it off, but

1268
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,560
Speaker 1: it is absolutely a part of your culture now for

1269
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people, it's a vital part of what

1270
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 1: they do. So Caitlon, how how do you what are

1271
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: the tools that you taught yourself that if you are

1272
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 1: going to see something and it pops up, how do

1273
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 1: you deal with that process?

1274
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 2: Nathan Brown actually gave me a good tip, and it

1275
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 2: was when it was the back end of when he

1276
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: was kind of getting let go or he you know,

1277
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 2: left from the club and I was going through a

1278
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 2: little bit. I was under fire for the milkshake thing

1279
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: that I say, remember that strawberry milkshake?

1280
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:42,520
Speaker 4: Where were you?

1281
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 2: Someone asks me, where were you when you heard the news?

1282
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:49,000
Speaker 2: Me mean me? I was like, oh, I think I

1283
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 2: was just at the cafe, just enjoying a strawberry milkshake.

1284
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:56,280
Speaker 1: Again too honest, and did you get mad?

1285
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,480
Speaker 2: I was like his, Well, so people were trying to

1286
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,640
Speaker 2: say that was on a sport a little brat all

1287
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:05,760
Speaker 2: that I didn't mean that to be. And this was

1288
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 2: say during that time anyway, And Nathan Brown was like,

1289
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 2: if you're going to accept the good, then you're gonna

1290
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 2: you have to accept the bad. So just don't accept either.

1291
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,600
Speaker 2: So just don't read either. Don't go looking for it.

1292
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 2: And it's easy. I still honestly find myself sometimes after

1293
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: a good game or whatnot. You know, I might go

1294
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: looking for it, but is that really going to help me?

1295
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: Like is it?

1296
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 2: You know, is that going to help me the next

1297
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,560
Speaker 2: day or two years later? So I honestly have just

1298
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 2: trained myself not to read the bad comments. And my

1299
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: mom has to my mom it affect it would affect

1300
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: her a lot because people are saying, you know, harsh

1301
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 2: things about me, and not me as a player, but

1302
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 2: me as in my character. Yeah, my sister. But yeah,

1303
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,680
Speaker 2: it's I honestly just if and it is tempting. Everyone

1304
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 2: does it. If I see an article and it's got

1305
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: my name on it and the view comments is that

1306
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 2: I just I know, I just catch myself.

1307
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 3: Just don't it's not, It's just it's funny. I like

1308
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 3: because obviously when when I was playing, I used to

1309
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: copy it quite a quite significantly.

1310
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, was the one giving it to you.

1311
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 2: It's fake account.

1312
01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 3: It's funny, thanks, but it's funny. I used to find, Well,

1313
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:19,920
Speaker 3: it used to affect me quite a bit when I

1314
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 3: was young, but I used to find I'd almost try

1315
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 3: to make myself numb to it by reading it all.

1316
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: And now now now I'm at a point where and ipt.

1317
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 3: I still copt so much. Ship Like obviously I copped

1318
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 3: it being the son and nephew of Matthew.

1319
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: And Andrew nephew, just the son.

1320
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 4: Well they know people. Some people don't know Matthew, don't

1321
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 4: know Joey.

1322
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 3: But but I found leaning into it, okay, kind of

1323
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 3: making a joke of it and just kind of making

1324
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 3: myself emotionally numb to just copying ship or death threats

1325
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 3: or whatever it was.

1326
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: And it just, well, I think people are gonna fix

1327
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: sometimes you need to You need to understand who's doing

1328
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: this ship, Who would do that and say that to

1329
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: a person. It's a special kind of asshole. And I

1330
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 1: remember once like I've never had I've never social media,

1331
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: Trish does.

1332
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 3: My on TikTok.

1333
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: Now it just ended up. I said to Trisha, I said,

1334
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: you know what I should call TikTok. It should be

1335
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: middle aged women dancing. She goes, you know they pick

1336
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 1: up on the algorithms watching that, like chicks dancing Guilty

1337
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,000
Speaker 1: Guilty is charging. I just like the way they dance.

1338
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,919
Speaker 4: And he thought that was everyone's nice.

1339
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: But like I remember once at one point the guy

1340
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 1: got contact with him and said, you know, there's a

1341
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: guy out there give me death threats. And I'm like nah,

1342
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 1: He's like yeah, yeah, he's telling people that when he

1343
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: sees he's going to run you over in the car.

1344
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, anyway, I'm with it. We got

1345
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:49,760
Speaker 1: I go to a game to commentate and a bloke

1346
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: comes up and says, do you know that stuff about

1347
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: death threats. That's him over there. And I looked over

1348
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: at him, and honestly, poor bastard was so pathetic, and

1349
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:01,920
Speaker 1: I just went oh, and I went up there and

1350
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 1: I put my arm around him, and he was like,

1351
01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:06,120
Speaker 1: oh a straight. I didn't have to say anything. He

1352
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: just goes. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. It's so easy.

1353
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: My advice to people is so easy to picture the

1354
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: people at the people who send these things. That's these big,

1355
01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: strong people when really, honestly they are pathetic.

1356
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: Anyway, Taylor one, thank you for your time, Thanks for

1357
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 3: coming on. He's actually going to come watch me and

1358
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 3: Jack plays tag.

1359
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: I'm actually are you. Here's the thing. Ten tests for

1360
01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 1: Australia for State of Origin, didn't win. That's not important competition.

1361
01:05:41,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: Two hundred games here and abroad. They won't let me play.

1362
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they can't handle it. I'll move too fast,

1363
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: I said, son. When you know the nuances of the

1364
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: greatest game of all you don't need to move fast. Yeah,

1365
01:05:53,560 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: I don't muscle memory, dude. And how's normal?

1366
01:06:00,640 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 4: We going now?

1367
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:03,200
Speaker 2: Thanks?

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01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: Kay? Thanks Kyler, good on you man. Okay, m