WEBVTT - Sharri | 23 January

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond in

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<v Speaker 2>for Shari tonight. Well, Australia Day is of course around

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<v Speaker 2>the corner. The activists back in force, but this time

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<v Speaker 2>they'll be joined by the pro Palestinian mob to go

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<v Speaker 2>after sorry, one of the country's biggest sporting events. Indigenous

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<v Speaker 2>leader Warren Mundine excuse me, I've got something stuck in

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<v Speaker 2>my throat, will give us his thoughts on the annual

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<v Speaker 2>January twenty six panic attack later, much like the panic

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<v Speaker 2>attack I'm having right now, plus with a major update

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<v Speaker 2>on the anti Semitic attacks in Sydney. It looks like

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<v Speaker 2>the New South Wales police are starting to get on

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<v Speaker 2>top of the crisis. If only we could say the

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<v Speaker 2>same though for the Albanesi government. I'll have Julian Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>on the show a little later to discuss, and plenty

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<v Speaker 2>of fun content too. Between Tesla owner's crying about Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk being right wing Queensland government workers trying to stave

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<v Speaker 2>off the summer heat, there's plenty for my panels to

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<v Speaker 2>get into tonight. First, these anti Australia Day activists are

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<v Speaker 2>truly getting desperate. I mean to go after the Australian Open.

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<v Speaker 2>For heaven's sake. Sunday night, of course, will be the

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<v Speaker 2>men's finals. So apparently the trots down in Melbourne, there's

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of them down there. They're going to rock up

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<v Speaker 2>and interrupt one of the biggest tennis events in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>And this goes to the point of what they're really protesting.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not protesting about January twenty six. They're not protesting

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<v Speaker 2>about Australia Day being on January twenty six. They're protesting

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<v Speaker 2>about Australia, the whole concept of the place, the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that it even exists, and you could change Australia Day

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<v Speaker 2>to any day on the calendar and it wouldn't make

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<v Speaker 2>a lick of difference because it would still be the

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<v Speaker 2>same country that they hate, with the same colonial roots

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<v Speaker 2>that they hate. It was just about the date, the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixth. Who wouldn't go after one of our biggest

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<v Speaker 2>global events, because of course this could get global attention

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<v Speaker 2>if they somehow manage to disrupt the men's final, But

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they want. They want Australia to look like

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<v Speaker 2>a laughing stock on the world stage. They want to

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<v Speaker 2>embarrass Australia because they don't believe in Australia. Even Victorian

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<v Speaker 2>Premier just Into Allen says protesting the Australian Open is disgusting.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it'd be disgusting to target the Australian Open

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<v Speaker 3>and that would really break I think the patients of

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<v Speaker 3>the public. Conflict around the world should never bring and

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<v Speaker 3>should never be used as an opportunity to bring division

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<v Speaker 3>and hate to our streets. But we have seen a

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<v Speaker 3>small number of people choose to use that overseas conflict

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<v Speaker 3>for their own purposes to drive hate and division here

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<v Speaker 3>in our streets. Victoria Police are operationally ready. They will

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<v Speaker 3>be there in large numbers, and they have the powers

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<v Speaker 3>they need should any activity turn violent, and.

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<v Speaker 2>She's right, it would test the public's patients and these protesters,

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<v Speaker 2>these activists need to know that we are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be patient with them anymore. We are sick of

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<v Speaker 2>being told that we live in a terrible country when

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<v Speaker 2>we know that we don't, and that we should feel

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<v Speaker 2>guilty all the time when we know that we shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>We know that we live in one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>countries on Earth. We're sick of being lectured about conflicts

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the world and being told

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<v Speaker 2>by people whose religion and culture are anathema to ours

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<v Speaker 2>that we need to cowt out to them and change

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<v Speaker 2>our values so they feel more comfortable. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>do you think would happen if I walk through the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of Gaza this weekend proclaiming that it was the

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<v Speaker 2>ancestral land of the Jews. I certainly wouldn't be back

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<v Speaker 2>here on Monday to be able to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is apparently what might happen in Melbourne on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>You have these Anti Australia Day people and these pro

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian people both organizing rallies on Australia Day that might

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<v Speaker 2>converge and make one massive protest in the CBD that

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<v Speaker 2>will then move towards Melbourne Park to disrupt the tennis.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's no coincidence that the pro Palestinian mob would

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<v Speaker 2>choose to protest on Australia Day, because again, they might

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<v Speaker 2>be outwardly protesting about something on the other side of

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<v Speaker 2>the world, but they're also protesting against Australia. They and

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<v Speaker 2>the Anti Australia Day lot are one and the same.

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<v Speaker 2>They share the same common belief are disdain for the West.

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<v Speaker 2>They could protest any other day of the year, but

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<v Speaker 2>just like they chose to protest on October the seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't even let Jews an Israeli's mark in peace,

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<v Speaker 2>the day that their people were massacred. They choose to

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<v Speaker 2>protest on Australia Day to drive home the point that

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<v Speaker 2>they don't like us. They know exactly what they're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>They know that Australia Day is quote unquote a divisive day,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least some have done their best to make

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<v Speaker 2>it a divisive day, and they want to wed open

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<v Speaker 2>that division a little bit more because it helps confuse

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<v Speaker 2>and weaken a Western country. It makes a mockery of

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<v Speaker 2>our culture, and that is exactly what they want. And

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<v Speaker 2>if they can join with the Australia Day protesters to

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<v Speaker 2>make a mega protest that interrupts the Tennis and gets

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<v Speaker 2>their message on TV screens across the world about what

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<v Speaker 2>a divided country Australia is, then even better for them.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, what are they even protesting about anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, all this time they've been calling for a

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<v Speaker 2>cease fire, they finally got one that includes some pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good terms for Hummas, it should be said. And they're

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<v Speaker 2>still not happy. But you see, they were never just

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<v Speaker 2>protesting about Israel or against war. They were protesting against

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<v Speaker 2>the West. They were protesting against us and our values

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<v Speaker 2>and our laws and our beliefs. It was never just

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<v Speaker 2>about Israel versus Hamas, it was about the West versus

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<v Speaker 2>the rest. That's why they're still protes testing, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why they're protesting on our national day.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why you can't change the date of Australia Day.

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<v Speaker 2>You give these people an inch, they will take a mile.

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<v Speaker 2>They will not be happy until the whole concept of

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<v Speaker 2>Australia has been destroyed. And they're getting more and more

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<v Speaker 2>desperate because their efforts aren't working anymore. I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we might have been through a decade of self loathing

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<v Speaker 2>as a nation over Australia Day, but Australia Day is back.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw the polling from the IPA recently. Support for

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<v Speaker 2>Australia Day went from sixty three percent last year to

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<v Speaker 2>sixty nine percent this year, and even the majority of

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<v Speaker 2>young people supported it being it. On January twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>we stared down the voice. We stood against racial division.

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<v Speaker 2>Sporting clubs are cutting back on divisive welcomes to country

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<v Speaker 2>and Australians once again feel confident to celebrate their national day.

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<v Speaker 2>We have rejected their division and in response, they will

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<v Speaker 2>try even harder to divide us. But we must not

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<v Speaker 2>let them win. We can't let them win. We won't

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<v Speaker 2>let them win. Australians of all colors and creeds and

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<v Speaker 2>backgrounds are standing up for this wonderful country and this

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful culture that we all share by doing the most

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<v Speaker 2>Australian thing possible and telling these misfits to bugger off

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<v Speaker 2>so we can enjoy a beer and a barbie in

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<v Speaker 2>celebration of what unites us. We will not be divided

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<v Speaker 2>and it's time once and for all to get this

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<v Speaker 2>rubbish off our streets.

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<v Speaker 5>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a small spot of bother for Opposition leader

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton today when he again said, as he has

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<v Speaker 2>been saying this week, that unlike Donald Trump, he wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>pull out of the Paris Accords, but he appeared to

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<v Speaker 2>say today that he would break its terms. He started

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<v Speaker 2>on two GB this morning where he said we couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>pull out of the deal because it would hurt exports.

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<v Speaker 6>We're an export nation, so unlike the United States. So

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<v Speaker 6>we're a small nation. We're a population of only twenty

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<v Speaker 6>seven million people. We produce more than we can consume,

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<v Speaker 6>and farmers and manufacturers rely on markets in Asia, in

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<v Speaker 6>Europe and America to export our products. And we've signed

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<v Speaker 6>up to an international agreement which I think we'll have

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<v Speaker 6>continuing relevance for countries in Europe and the future. Dynamic

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<v Speaker 6>can change, but we have to act in our country's

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<v Speaker 6>best interest and to have European countries for example, but

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<v Speaker 6>not exclusively applying tariffs to our exports would mean a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of economic activity here, a lots of jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>Then he spoke at a press for a little later

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<v Speaker 2>and said he wouldn't be sitting any targets other than

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<v Speaker 2>zero bar twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 7>We're not holding we're not having targets. I've said this before.

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<v Speaker 7>The government's got a secret plane in relation to twenty

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<v Speaker 7>thirty five, which has all sorts of assumptions, but the

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<v Speaker 7>Prime Minister doesn't want you to know about. The Prime

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<v Speaker 7>Minister is hiding us before the election because it doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>want people to know what the twenty thirty five target

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<v Speaker 7>will mean for electricity crisis, where if committed to net

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<v Speaker 7>zero by twenty fifty.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the commitment that we've made and that's.

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<v Speaker 7>What would have been on.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The only problem with that is that under the terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the Paris Accords, you must set a new target

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<v Speaker 2>every five years. It says so an Article four, paragraph nine,

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<v Speaker 2>each party shall communicate a nationally determined contribution every five years,

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<v Speaker 2>and paragraph eleven says that you can change that only

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<v Speaker 2>to make your target more ambitious. So by what Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>was saying there, we'd stay in the Paris Accords, but

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<v Speaker 2>we wouldn't obey them, which would open us up to

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<v Speaker 2>the same sort of sanctions he talked about earlier in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, and in that case, what's the point of

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<v Speaker 2>staying in the accord.

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<v Speaker 4>But this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>Coalition sources told The Australian that Dutton would set a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty five target he won government, so.

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<v Speaker 4>It would be business as usual.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know Dutton is worried about teals and the

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<v Speaker 2>wet in his own party who are demanding more be.

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<v Speaker 4>Done about climate change. But I'll give you a hint.

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<v Speaker 2>If we're not going to meet our twenty thirty targets,

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<v Speaker 2>and we won't, then the whole thing isn't worth the

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<v Speaker 2>paper it's written on. People in marginal seats are far

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<v Speaker 2>more worried about the cost of their power bills than

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<v Speaker 2>they are about emissions. Now. Look, I said some time

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<v Speaker 2>ago that it would be nayhon impossible for the Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>to win the next federal election just based on the

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<v Speaker 2>sheer number of seats that they need to form a majority.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they need twenty one extra seats, and I'd

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<v Speaker 2>still say it's a difficult task.

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<v Speaker 4>But I tell you what, it's definitely not.

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<v Speaker 2>Impossible anymore, maybe in the form of a minority government

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<v Speaker 2>of some description if needed, but it is looking more

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<v Speaker 2>and more possible. I mean, check out the latest Resolve

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<v Speaker 2>poll in the nine papers today, Peter Dutton is now

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<v Speaker 2>ahead as preferred Prime minister, jumping from thirty five percent

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<v Speaker 2>to thirty nine percent in the space of a month.

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<v Speaker 2>And in two party terms, the Coalition also led fifty

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<v Speaker 2>two to forty eight percent based on preferences if people

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<v Speaker 2>were voting at an election today forty six percent.

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<v Speaker 4>They're also expecting.

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<v Speaker 2>Real wages to fall this year, and that's a significant

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<v Speaker 2>portion of people, and fifty percent half of the people

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<v Speaker 2>surveyed think that inflation will get worse, not better in

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<v Speaker 2>the near future. Let's bring in our journalist at the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Telegraph, James Willis James, these are pretty dire numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>just months out from an election for a first term government,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the Albanese government. The Treasurer Jim Chalmers has

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<v Speaker 2>been saying ad nauseam, don't worry, We're through the worst of.

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<v Speaker 4>All of this.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to inflation, We're coming out the other side,

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<v Speaker 2>we're correcting course, etc.

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<v Speaker 4>People clearly don't believe it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good evening to you, Caleb. And it's funny.

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<v Speaker 8>I spent the day in the CBD speaking to a

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<v Speaker 8>number of small business owners and away from the.

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<v Speaker 1>Political spin that you're hearing from.

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<v Speaker 8>Both sides, from a lot of the economists, you're hearing

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<v Speaker 8>these stories from people that are really struggling a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of people that aren't interested in playing politics, but are

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<v Speaker 8>struggling now more than ever with energy prices, rent, the

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<v Speaker 8>cost of food goods, the cost of wages, the cost

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<v Speaker 8>of a barista, some of the stories I was hearing

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<v Speaker 8>today which obviously impact the cup of coffee. And look,

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<v Speaker 8>this polling is deeply concerning and I think the real

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<v Speaker 8>problem for labor and I'm with you this whole time.

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<v Speaker 8>I've thought a simple math sum indicates that it would

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<v Speaker 8>take two elections for the Coalition to get back in.

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<v Speaker 8>But look, the real issue for Labor is the polling

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<v Speaker 8>directly in regards to the Prime Minister and the Prime

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<v Speaker 8>Minister's performance and the Prime minister's leadership is what should

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<v Speaker 8>be concerning Labor in the next few months as we

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<v Speaker 8>head up to an election.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is the real issue.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm amazed that we haven't heard more rumblings about movement

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<v Speaker 8>there because and I've said for quite some time, Calb

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<v Speaker 8>that I've seen the Prime Minister at press conferences. He

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<v Speaker 8>appears lethargic, he appears like he's not always across his brief.

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<v Speaker 8>He's getting very angry at journalists when things don't go

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<v Speaker 8>his way. In you have to wonder whether that dates

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<v Speaker 8>back to the Voice and the stunning and disastrous defeat there,

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<v Speaker 8>but also some of those issues that impacted Anthony Alberinezi

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<v Speaker 8>last year, the Quanta saga, the issues with purchasing the home.

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<v Speaker 8>He hasn't handled criticism well. I think he's terribly advised.

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<v Speaker 8>And the one issue for Labor if he talked to

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<v Speaker 8>Poulses at the grass roots is the performance of the

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<v Speaker 8>Prime Minister. And I think a lot of people thought, look,

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<v Speaker 8>Peter Dutton might not be popular enough to win an election.

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<v Speaker 8>The polls start to indicate otherwise. So it's going to

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<v Speaker 8>be fascinating to see what happens in the next few months.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think Dutton has really come into his

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<v Speaker 2>own in the last six months or so. People have

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<v Speaker 2>been desperate for a modicum of leadership and they've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to find that in Peter Dutton. They haven't been

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<v Speaker 2>able to find it in the Prime Minister. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>one seats they need if they want to form a majority,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very big ask.

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<v Speaker 4>It is a difficult task. But I'd tell you what.

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<v Speaker 2>On the polling we're seeing at the moment, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>impossible we could see this be a one term government.

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<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't that be something? And of course, amid all of

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<v Speaker 2>this plunging support, Jeff Chambers in the ODS is compared

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<v Speaker 2>to Alberesi and Dutton's election blitz over the summer and

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<v Speaker 2>basically you've had the unofficial start to the campaign.

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<v Speaker 4>He's found that the.

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<v Speaker 2>PM visitor Door held events in at least twenty five

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<v Speaker 2>electorates since December, the first the opposition leader's done twenty fours.

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<v Speaker 4>They're pretty much even on that.

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<v Speaker 2>But Chambers wrote that the summer campaign analysis shows mister

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<v Speaker 2>Alberanzi is largely in a defensive posture, visiting at risk

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<v Speaker 2>Labor seats. Well, Dutton is playing the offensive. He's going

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<v Speaker 2>to the seats that he wants to take now. Only

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<v Speaker 2>a few months ago it was reported that Alberanzi was

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<v Speaker 2>walking around privately, he was going into the party rooms

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<v Speaker 2>saying that not only would Labor win the next election,

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<v Speaker 2>they would be returned with more seats. I suspect the

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<v Speaker 2>reality you're starting to hit the Prime Minister that that

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<v Speaker 2>is highly unlikely to be the case.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, absolutely, and particularly when you look at some of

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<v Speaker 8>the polling in Victoria, which has notoriously been a real

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<v Speaker 8>problem for the coalition, probably its weakest area. And the

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<v Speaker 8>Liberal insight is a bullish about winning three maybe four

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<v Speaker 8>seats in Victoria, which has been quite an issue for

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<v Speaker 8>quite some time. I mean, the Wa election is a

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<v Speaker 8>bit of a gem and it'll be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 8>whether the Labor vote holds up there. I think my

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<v Speaker 8>guard is the Prime Minister will wait until after that

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<v Speaker 8>before calling the election. But certainly when you look at approach,

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<v Speaker 8>I mean the election campaign is underway. Let's face it,

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<v Speaker 8>they've been everywhere. They've been announcing enormous money. The Prime

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<v Speaker 8>Minister has been in Queensland, he's been in other parts

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<v Speaker 8>of the country with announcements. The one thing I would

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<v Speaker 8>say is that for Peter Dutton, I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 8>very easy, small target strategy that is going to win

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<v Speaker 8>a lot of votes. When he talks about cost of living,

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<v Speaker 8>people that that politically engaged would be looking at their mortgages,

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<v Speaker 8>they'd be looking at the household bills, insurance, all the

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<v Speaker 8>prices that come with running a family and suddenly figuring

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<v Speaker 8>out well, it actually hasn't been all that straightforward and

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<v Speaker 8>simple and easy in the past three years. Despite Labor

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<v Speaker 8>promising to fix the cost of living crisis, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>They've just failed to do that.

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<v Speaker 8>They've made other changes in terms of medicine, but not

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<v Speaker 8>enough to simplify and make it easier for households. And

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<v Speaker 8>Peter Dunton has enormous gain in terms of migration Kaylor

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<v Speaker 8>because people look at housing, they look at a shortage

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<v Speaker 8>of services at state levels in New South Wales where

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<v Speaker 8>I live, its hospitals. We've failed on our housing target

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<v Speaker 8>again twelve months ago. The Men's government in New South

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<v Speaker 8>Wales can't keep up. But then people are smart enough

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<v Speaker 8>to say, well hang on. In the last few years

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<v Speaker 8>we've brought one million people into the country, which filled

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<v Speaker 8>jobs and might have made the economic figures look a

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<v Speaker 8>little bit better. But they all need a place to live.

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<v Speaker 8>They wanted a school for their kids, they owned a

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<v Speaker 8>hospital when they're sick, and so people are starting to

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<v Speaker 8>put two and two together. So there is enormous ground

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<v Speaker 8>for Peter Dutton in terms of discussing cuts to migration

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<v Speaker 8>and the targets they're moving forward. Plus international students, which

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<v Speaker 8>I think people have figured out are just a cash

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<v Speaker 8>grab for universities and don't help Bussie jobs.

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<v Speaker 2>And unfortunately for Alberisi, unless those margrants have become citizens,

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<v Speaker 2>which none of them would have yet, they don't vote.

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<v Speaker 2>Well done, Albo James, Thank you so much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into some of the other big stories of

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<v Speaker 2>the day with Perth Lord Mayor Basil's implus and National

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Matt Canavan.

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<v Speaker 4>Welcome to you both.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. Gina Rynhart's been over in the US for Trump's inauguration.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of wish I'd been over there for it,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's all right.

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<v Speaker 4>I won't be able to do it for Trump again.

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<v Speaker 2>But who knows, Jadie Vance in four years time might

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<v Speaker 2>be worth going over Forore if he has a shot

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<v Speaker 2>at it, because it certainly looked like one hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a party. But she reckons that Alberize needs to take

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<v Speaker 2>a page from Donald Trump's playbook. Now, look, the chances

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<v Speaker 2>of that happening are probably about the same as me

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<v Speaker 2>protesting against jumps racing. But she told The Australian that

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<v Speaker 2>if we are sensible, we should set up a doge

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<v Speaker 2>the dog immediately the Department of Government Waste, et cetera

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<v Speaker 2>reduced government waste, government tape and regulations. Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 2>led an important movement, she said, with his policies, a

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<v Speaker 2>movement that is.

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<v Speaker 4>Growing and growing.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope our country is not left behind.

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<v Speaker 4>And you would have.

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<v Speaker 2>To ask the question, wouldn't you that if we were

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<v Speaker 2>subjected to another term of an Albanesi government, we would

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<v Speaker 2>be left behind in the wake of a leader like

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, he has.

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<v Speaker 2>Brought back the idea of America first and It's great

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<v Speaker 2>to have the idea of America first, but the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the West has to be in on that game. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>even though we are an ally basil, we will lose out.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 9>I think what we've really seen with Donald Trump's victory,

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<v Speaker 9>And you know, you talk about the two leaders that

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<v Speaker 9>we have here in Australia. Anthony Albanesi is never going

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<v Speaker 9>to mirror Donald Trump, nor is Peter Dutton. But clearly

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<v Speaker 9>Peter Dutton has the conservative qualities that more closely align

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<v Speaker 9>with those of Donald Trump. And I think psychologically and

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<v Speaker 9>in other ways, donald Trump's victory and in the days

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<v Speaker 9>after his swearing in, that straight shooting and that redefining

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<v Speaker 9>the way forward for the United States under his leadership,

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<v Speaker 9>does subconsciously and otherwise make it easier for those on

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<v Speaker 9>the conservative side, because that traditional more conservative thinking suddenly

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<v Speaker 9>is back in vogue in one of the world's biggest democracies.

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<v Speaker 9>And there will be people here who think, if it's

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<v Speaker 9>okay over there, it can be okay here. They'll be

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<v Speaker 9>more confident, they'll be more prepared to speak up, and

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<v Speaker 9>there'll be more people saying, well, actually, that straight talking

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<v Speaker 9>and straight thinking is okay and all of that suits

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<v Speaker 9>Peter Dutton much much more than it does Anthony Albanezi.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a reinvigoration and it's a correction in culture

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<v Speaker 2>mat which I think is so important. But I mean

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<v Speaker 2>we need a Department of Government efficiency here too, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to.

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<v Speaker 10>Get serious about government over each government spending, the red

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<v Speaker 10>tape we all suffer under. I mean, as you pointed

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<v Speaker 10>out before, America First could very well mean Australia is

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<v Speaker 10>left behind if we don't get our act together and

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<v Speaker 10>respond to the competitive challenge that's been put here by

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<v Speaker 10>the actions of Donald Trump. And you asked about Gina Reinhart, Well,

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<v Speaker 10>I think missus Reinhardt is one of Australia's most successful

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<v Speaker 10>business persons, if not a the most successful, and we

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<v Speaker 10>see every Olympics that green and gold run through her vain.

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<v Speaker 10>She is a patriot if nothing else. So I believe

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<v Speaker 10>we should listen to the likes of Missus Reinhart when

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<v Speaker 10>she has something to say. She knows what business needs

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<v Speaker 10>to attract her to invest in her country, to attract

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<v Speaker 10>the jobs that we need to give a prosperous future

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<v Speaker 10>to young Australians. We should we should take some consideration

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<v Speaker 10>here now of the complaints we're getting from business that

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<v Speaker 10>Australia is just not a great place to invest right now.

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<v Speaker 10>And if that continues, we will have some real economic

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<v Speaker 10>pain coming to our shores because we've got way too

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<v Speaker 10>much red tape, Our energy prices are through the roof,

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<v Speaker 10>and government spending under this Labor Party is out of control.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, And you're quite right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if missus Rahanha didn't spend the money that

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<v Speaker 2>she spends on a lot of sports in this country,

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<v Speaker 2>we will do nowhere near as well at the Olympics

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<v Speaker 2>as we do. And you know, you talk about businesses

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<v Speaker 2>going overseas, just look at Anthony Pratt. I mean he's

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<v Speaker 2>now moved to the US, has set up chop over

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<v Speaker 2>there and is doing really well. This is what we

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<v Speaker 2>will miss out on now. This is extraordinary. Iran reckons

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<v Speaker 2>that Hamas's October seven attack on Israel has ended any

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<v Speaker 2>chance of bringing back the nuclear de escalation set up

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<v Speaker 2>that they had with the United States, which is probably true.

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<v Speaker 4>And the US, the Barda.

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<v Speaker 2>Administration, gave billions and billions and billions of dollars to

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<v Speaker 2>Iran and we know where some of that eventually ended

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<v Speaker 2>up and Trump canceled this last time he was in office,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think we can say that's dead. But this

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<v Speaker 2>is the bit I can't get over. Iran's vice president

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<v Speaker 2>of Strategic Affairs, Mohammad Javad Zariff, he's at the World

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<v Speaker 2>Economic Forum in Davos. He's told them that Iran had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that October seven was going to happen. Basil,

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<v Speaker 2>they give them money, Iran funds Humas and he wants

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<v Speaker 2>us to believe they had no idea that any of

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<v Speaker 2>this was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Pull the other one.

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<v Speaker 9>Actually, we're in to the trouble of explaining their calendars

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<v Speaker 9>and what was in the calendar and what was blocked in,

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<v Speaker 9>and that the meetings that they had coming up, and

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<v Speaker 9>therefore we could not have known. Not too many people

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<v Speaker 9>around the world are buying that explanation or excuse. It's

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<v Speaker 9>a tenuous and thin one at its absolute best. And

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<v Speaker 9>I think those who are skeptical have good reason to

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<v Speaker 9>be skeptical. So what happens now, where this goes now

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<v Speaker 9>and the impact of Donald Trump's election. I suppose the

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<v Speaker 9>world waits and watchers to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, and this is again the sort of change that

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing at the moment, Matt with Trump in power,

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<v Speaker 2>because he's promised to end the Russia Ukraine War within

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<v Speaker 2>days of becoming present. Now probably isn't going to happen

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<v Speaker 2>that fast, but he's signaled to Vladimir Putin today that

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<v Speaker 2>the US is ready to hit Moscow with tough new

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<v Speaker 2>trade restrictions of Russia doesn't make a deal soon to

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<v Speaker 2>end what he calls the ridiculous war in Ukraine. He

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<v Speaker 2>staked a lot of capital on this match. He said

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<v Speaker 2>he will get it done, and somehow I don't doubt

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<v Speaker 2>that he will.

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<v Speaker 1>Well wait and see.

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<v Speaker 10>I hope, I hope we can see an end to

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<v Speaker 10>the conflict there in the Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 2>Has been a.

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<v Speaker 10>Shocking loss of life there, and obviously now it seems

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<v Speaker 10>to be in something like a World War One trench

0:24:01.320 --> 0:24:04.760
<v Speaker 10>warfare where many thousands of people are dying over just

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<v Speaker 10>inches of territory swapping each day. So you just hope,

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<v Speaker 10>as someone who loves peace and hates war, we'd love

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<v Speaker 10>to see the end of that. I mean, Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 10>has helped bring a fairly immediate end to or cease

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<v Speaker 10>for at least in Gaza and Palestine that didn't look

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<v Speaker 10>likely a few months ago. So that's a great result.

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<v Speaker 10>And I think all of this as demonstrations that we

0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.720
<v Speaker 10>should try to get less involved in some of these conflicts.

0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:31.680
<v Speaker 10>We don't always understand the cross currents. I'm not so

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:34.320
<v Speaker 10>sure that Iran and Iran might be right, but they

0:24:34.359 --> 0:24:36.840
<v Speaker 10>didn't know because keep in mind that actually Kataf under

0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:41.640
<v Speaker 10>Hamas Iran's paramilitary body, was Hesbila. They have different religious

0:24:41.760 --> 0:24:45.960
<v Speaker 10>different Muslim religious sensitivities there, and we just don't understand

0:24:46.000 --> 0:24:48.640
<v Speaker 10>the region. None of us do, And to me, it's

0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:51.160
<v Speaker 10>just a lesson that don't get involved in these types

0:24:51.160 --> 0:24:55.200
<v Speaker 10>of wars like Iraq, like Afghanistan, now the Ukraine. They're

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:57.680
<v Speaker 10>not our areas and we tend to do more harm

0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 10>than good by getting too involved in them.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to ask you both about this.

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<v Speaker 2>On a slightly lighter note, I've always wondered how these

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>lefty tesla owners must be coping with the fact that

0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:11.320
<v Speaker 2>the hero essentially of the electric vehicle movement has turned

0:25:11.320 --> 0:25:13.280
<v Speaker 2>out to be a right winger. And of course Elon

0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Musk is now essentially part of Trump's administration. He's running

0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.960
<v Speaker 2>that Department of Government Efficiency. Well, there's a Dutch TV

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.280
<v Speaker 2>news program, and I'm not going to try to pronounce

0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.160
<v Speaker 2>the name because I don't want to insult the good

0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 2>people of the Netherlands. But they've done some polling that

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 2>found that nearly a third of Tesla owners apparently want

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 2>to get rid of their car because they've cracked it

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>over Musk, I mean, Basil.

0:25:36.119 --> 0:25:37.440
<v Speaker 4>This man was their hero.

0:25:37.640 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 2>He has done more to usher in an age of

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:44.760
<v Speaker 2>the electric vehicle than anyone else, and now they can't

0:25:44.800 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>even stand the work that he did because he's gone

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>off to support Donald Trump.

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:49.879
<v Speaker 4>And I don't know.

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:54.679
<v Speaker 2>He supposedly did a Nazi salute please well.

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.439
<v Speaker 9>And that is debatable obviously. Yeah, I think he's an

0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 9>unusual chap at the best of times. Elon Musk and

0:26:01.320 --> 0:26:04.720
<v Speaker 9>those actions that he was portraying on stage, I'm not

0:26:04.800 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 9>quite sure what they were. I'm also not certain what

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 9>they weren't either, But by the bye, it's interesting. The ideologic,

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:15.960
<v Speaker 9>the ideology and the personality of politics. Yes, when he

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.520
<v Speaker 9>was producing the Green Dream Machine, they are all in

0:26:19.560 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 9>love with him, and suddenly he's a trump Man and

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 9>it's not as fashionable, it's not as desirable, and it's

0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.800
<v Speaker 9>not as first choice for all of those people who

0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:33.240
<v Speaker 9>had chosen it for that reason. What we really don't

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:35.399
<v Speaker 9>know is what happens at the end of the life

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:39.199
<v Speaker 9>of the tesla anyone, What actually happens to that big

0:26:39.640 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 9>chunk of metal. Where does it go? Can it be recycled?

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.680
<v Speaker 9>And where do the batteries go? Can they be disposed

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.919
<v Speaker 9>of safely? We don't know the answers to any of

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 9>those questions.

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, maybe Musk can put together one of those rocket

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:55.359
<v Speaker 2>chips he's building and we can put them all on

0:26:55.400 --> 0:26:57.639
<v Speaker 2>that and seend them to another planet and not worry

0:26:57.680 --> 0:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>about it.

0:26:58.080 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Basel Matt, thank you so much for you.

0:27:00.520 --> 0:27:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Coming up after the break, another arrest over the attempt

0:27:03.320 --> 0:27:06.280
<v Speaker 2>at arson of a Sydney synagogue. Julian Lisa will join

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>me in just a moment, and Tramp's crackdown on illegal

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.360
<v Speaker 2>margarants has begun. Three hundred have already been arrested. It's

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 2>amazing what leaders can do when they really actually want

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 2>to do it, isn't it. I'll discuss that more with

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:18.640
<v Speaker 2>my panel later.

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:19.600
<v Speaker 4>Don't go away.

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 7>Well.

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.800
<v Speaker 2>A second man was arrested today over an attempt to

0:27:25.800 --> 0:27:28.840
<v Speaker 2>set a new Town synagogue on fire earlier in the month,

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and they're also, of course accused of vandalizing it with swastikas.

0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 4>That's good news.

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 2>We'll keep an eye on it as it plays out

0:27:36.160 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 2>through the court. Was also revealed today that a man

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 2>who was arrested last week over an anti Semitic attack

0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 2>in Willara two months ago is the son of former

0:27:44.920 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 2>National Comicicero's boss Mick Harwie. He was assassinated in twenty eighteen.

0:27:50.119 --> 0:27:53.080
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure that will raise questions about whether gangs

0:27:53.080 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 2>have been involved in any of these attacks. But you

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.679
<v Speaker 2>have to juxtapose that that we're actually getting somewhere in

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>soul some of these crimes with the window dressing performance

0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 2>from the federal government. This week, Alban Eazy cave to

0:28:06.520 --> 0:28:09.840
<v Speaker 2>pressure and had that National Cabinet meeting on anti Semitism.

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.359
<v Speaker 4>Honestly, I mean he might as well have not held

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:12.880
<v Speaker 4>it at all.

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:16.480
<v Speaker 2>Basically nothing came out of it apart from a statement

0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 2>saying that they unequivocally condemn anti Semitism and reaffirmed to

0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:24.679
<v Speaker 2>stamp it out in Australia. Extraordinary could have told us

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that without a meeting, could you? And of course they

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:31.080
<v Speaker 2>agreed to establish a data base to track anti Semitic crime.

0:28:31.600 --> 0:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>How scary is that we can look it up on

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:36.280
<v Speaker 2>a computer that'll really help us out? Joining me now

0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.800
<v Speaker 2>is Liberal Julian Lisa Julian, I just well, I'm going

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>to say I can't get over it. I think I

0:28:42.520 --> 0:28:45.040
<v Speaker 2>can get over it because I rather expected this kind

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.320
<v Speaker 2>of performance, because if you go back to when we

0:28:47.320 --> 0:28:49.320
<v Speaker 2>were first told we were going to have an anti

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Semitism envoy, we also got an Islamophobia envoy with that.

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 2>At the same time, there have been calls for a

0:28:55.600 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 2>National Cabinet meeting four months from Peter Dutton. He finally

0:28:59.800 --> 0:29:05.240
<v Speaker 2>held and I think my fears were confirmed that there.

0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 4>Was a waste of time.

0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>Nothing came out of that meeting as I expected, because

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they didn't go into that meeting actually wanting to come

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:13.080
<v Speaker 2>out with any real answers.

0:29:13.120 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Well, it didn't have to be this way.

0:29:15.720 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 5>The acting Premier of Tasmania, Guy Barnett, has posted on

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:23.000
<v Speaker 5>social media that he took to National Cabinet tougher laws,

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 5>harsher penalties, including mandatory minimums, and I think the Prime

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 5>Minister and all the state premiers and the chief ministers

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 5>need to be held to account for that. There were

0:29:32.360 --> 0:29:35.280
<v Speaker 5>things on the table bought by the acting Premier of Tasmania,

0:29:35.360 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 5>which would have been a proper result out of national cabinet,

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 5>a result we would have expected. But this was a

0:29:40.080 --> 0:29:42.160
<v Speaker 5>prime minister who never wanted to hold a national cabinet

0:29:42.160 --> 0:29:45.000
<v Speaker 5>meeting in the first place. You know, it took a

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 5>synagogue fire bombing to get him to establish the AFP

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 5>operation Avaalite. It took the far bombing of a childcare

0:29:51.640 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 5>center to get into establish a national cabinet meeting, despite

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 5>the fact his own anti semitism en had called for this.

0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:02.040
<v Speaker 5>Everything that this minister has done, everything that this government

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:04.840
<v Speaker 5>has done, has been thoroughly disappointing and hasn't taken the

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:07.600
<v Speaker 5>issue seriously. This is not a prime minister doing all

0:30:07.640 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 5>he can to stop anti Semitism in this country.

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:12.959
<v Speaker 2>Well, you were up in Brisbane today giving a speech

0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:16.320
<v Speaker 2>on exactly this, and I believe you spoke about the

0:30:16.360 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>decision to preference the Greens and take preferences from the

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Greens as well. I mean at every turn, and we've

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 2>been talking about this a lot recently. Of course, it's

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:27.840
<v Speaker 2>not as though the Prime Minister goes out and directly

0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:29.880
<v Speaker 2>tells people to go on a tax synagogues, et cetera.

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.440
<v Speaker 2>But what he has done is created a culture by

0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 2>not standing up, that makes people feel comfortable.

0:30:36.680 --> 0:30:38.040
<v Speaker 4>To do that kind of thing.

0:30:38.160 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>In Australia, it would have been such a simple act

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.320
<v Speaker 2>of leadership that could have happened fifteen months ago and

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 2>at many points since then, that didn't require a lot

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of effort.

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.520
<v Speaker 4>Really, that could have avoided a lot of hurt.

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:52.960
<v Speaker 5>Have you listened to the very different language between the

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.840
<v Speaker 5>Prime Minister and Chris Min's the Premier of New South Wales.

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.160
<v Speaker 5>Now you know what's happened in New South Wales has

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:00.880
<v Speaker 5>been far from perfect, but you know chri's Mens's hard

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.760
<v Speaker 5>is in the right place and you know that he

0:31:02.840 --> 0:31:07.320
<v Speaker 5>sees very clearly the moral clarity with which anti Semitism

0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 5>needs to be tackled, and that these are things that

0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 5>you've got to throw the book at, and you've got

0:31:11.720 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 5>to throw the book at early. I often think that

0:31:14.160 --> 0:31:17.280
<v Speaker 5>running a country is rather like running a family. What

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 5>do they tell you about young kids. Young kids crave boundaries.

0:31:20.800 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 5>They want their parents to put the boundaries in and

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:26.840
<v Speaker 5>to enforce them. Societies need leaders to set boundaries and

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.520
<v Speaker 5>enforce them, and that's not what the Prime Minister did,

0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:32.000
<v Speaker 5>and that's partly why we're in the mess we're in today.

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 2>How much has that come down to, do you think

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 2>the fact that he is trying to pander to potential

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Greens voters.

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think the Prime Minister is wedged on these issues.

0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:44.280
<v Speaker 5>I think he is very conscious of the fact that

0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:48.400
<v Speaker 5>there are Greens voters in inner city labor seats, that

0:31:48.960 --> 0:31:50.920
<v Speaker 5>the Greens are eating his lunch, and so he hasn't

0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.120
<v Speaker 5>been as strong and clear as he's needed to on

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 5>this and I think that's a tragedy for the country.

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:59.280
<v Speaker 5>I think you need leadership where people are very clear

0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.160
<v Speaker 5>about what is right and what is wrong. And the

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 5>contrast between the Prime Minister and Peter Dutton on this

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 5>point could not be clearer.

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing that came out of this National

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Cabinet meeting during the week was the AFP saying that

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>they were investigating, as a line of inquiry whether there

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 2>could have been foreign actors involved in any of these

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.640
<v Speaker 2>anti Semitic attacks, suggesting that perhaps people had been paid

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>by foreign actors to go and commit these crimes. Now,

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:27.320
<v Speaker 2>that was simply the AFP saying they were looking at it,

0:32:27.360 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>that they didn't necessarily have any evidence of that.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:30.040
<v Speaker 4>Yet it was just.

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:32.480
<v Speaker 2>A line of inquiry. The States weren't aware of that

0:32:32.520 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 2>line of inquiry. The Prime Minister then took that and

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:39.040
<v Speaker 2>repeated it almost as though it were facts, saying, well,

0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.120
<v Speaker 2>we've got to be serious about why some of these

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 2>things are happening, and it would appear it is happening

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 2>because people are being paid by foreign actors. What the

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 2>AFP said and what the Prime Minister said are two

0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>very different things.

0:32:51.640 --> 0:32:53.479
<v Speaker 5>Because if you put the Prime minister spin on it,

0:32:53.920 --> 0:32:56.680
<v Speaker 5>the government is not culpable for what's happened. And I

0:32:56.720 --> 0:33:00.360
<v Speaker 5>think you know, if this is domestic terrorism, it is

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:03.920
<v Speaker 5>the government that is responsible for the failures to actually

0:33:03.920 --> 0:33:05.920
<v Speaker 5>deal with these things in a strong manner. But if

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 5>it's a foreign actor, the government is also culpable because

0:33:10.000 --> 0:33:14.560
<v Speaker 5>we should be seeing you, at the very least, ambassadors

0:33:14.600 --> 0:33:18.200
<v Speaker 5>and diplomats being expelled from this country if there are

0:33:18.240 --> 0:33:22.280
<v Speaker 5>foreign governments involved in this, and perhaps even other activities too.

0:33:22.560 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Indeed, I mean it would not be surprising the idea

0:33:25.120 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 2>potentially that there were foreign actors involved, because of course

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the idea is to sew division in Australia, and that

0:33:31.640 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>is what has been allowed to prosper and it benefits

0:33:34.800 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 2>other countries potentially to sow division in places like the West.

0:33:38.560 --> 0:33:42.000
<v Speaker 2>The same as these protests very quickly that will be

0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:44.400
<v Speaker 2>happening on the weekend on Australia Day, I mean pro

0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Palestinian protesters marching down in Melbourne and potentially in Sydney

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:51.320
<v Speaker 2>as well. They pick Australia Day to do that because

0:33:51.320 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>they're not just protesting about war. They're protesting about broader

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Western values.

0:33:57.520 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 5>That's absolutely right, and I think each time they do

0:34:00.120 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 5>that they lose more and more support because Australians look

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:06.360
<v Speaker 5>at this and say, why are these people importing a

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.200
<v Speaker 5>foreign conflict into our streets. I think most Australians want

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 5>their city streets back.

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:11.080
<v Speaker 11>These people have.

0:34:11.040 --> 0:34:13.040
<v Speaker 5>Made their point, They've been making the same point, and

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 5>they've been making it in a violent and destructive manner

0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 5>for the last fifteen months. And I contrast them with

0:34:18.320 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 5>the wonderful Ukrainian community who is always asking the government

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:24.440
<v Speaker 5>to do more, but never results to this sort of thing.

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:27.759
<v Speaker 5>It's wonderful gatherings, it's music, it's talks, it's people are

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 5>on the ground, never any of this sort of behavior.

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:32.040
<v Speaker 5>The contrast couldn't be starker.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 2>And of course there's a cease fin now, which is

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>what they ask for all along.

0:34:35.080 --> 0:34:36.080
<v Speaker 4>And they're still.

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.439
<v Speaker 2>Protesting, which I think goes to what they're really going

0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:40.719
<v Speaker 2>on about killing Lisa. Thank you so much for joining me.

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 4>Thanks Caleb, still to come.

0:34:42.600 --> 0:34:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Three days to go until Australian Days. I was just

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:48.480
<v Speaker 2>talking about the career protesters and the Wope pubs.

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:49.880
<v Speaker 4>They're up to old tricks.

0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I'll speak to a fed up Warren Mundine later in

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the program, but first, Queensland government workers are tasked with

0:34:55.600 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 2>saving the state's energy grid by closing the blinds and

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 2>turning off the air as they race for a forty

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>plus degree day in summer.

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:06.400
<v Speaker 4>Shocking, isn't it. That's with my panel.

0:35:06.440 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Next, let's bring in my second panel of the evening.

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 2>National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie and scar News contributor Joe Hildebrand,

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:16.839
<v Speaker 2>who joins me here on the desk.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:17.960
<v Speaker 4>And this is interesting.

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 2>This is interesting Joe, because you're filling in for me

0:35:20.640 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 2>tonight on the lake because I'm filling in for Showery.

0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:25.480
<v Speaker 2>So I thought i'd better get you on to pretend

0:35:25.480 --> 0:35:26.880
<v Speaker 2>to be me while I fill in.

0:35:27.000 --> 0:35:30.400
<v Speaker 11>You are actually interviewing yourself. Correct, it's like a reception.

0:35:31.360 --> 0:35:32.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't know I necessarily wanted me.

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 11>Maybe we're all just living in someone else's dream.

0:35:36.000 --> 0:35:38.399
<v Speaker 2>I have wondered at certain points whether we are living

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 2>in a simulation, particularly on Monday when everything my clothes

0:35:42.920 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 2>dryer broke, the front bumper fell off my car, like.

0:35:46.239 --> 0:35:47.080
<v Speaker 4>It would all happen.

0:35:47.760 --> 0:35:48.960
<v Speaker 11>That is like every second day.

0:35:50.760 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 4>Anyway.

0:35:51.200 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>If you know if it's a simulation, please let me know,

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:54.480
<v Speaker 2>because I'd like to have a bet on it.

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:35:55.080 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 2>Trump hasn't wasted any.

0:35:56.280 --> 0:35:57.480
<v Speaker 4>Time getting on with the job.

0:35:57.520 --> 0:35:59.680
<v Speaker 2>We saw him sign all those executive or orders the

0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:04.719
<v Speaker 2>other and the deportations have begun. They've already risted hundreds

0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:08.720
<v Speaker 2>of illegal immigrants. This is Trump's borders are Tom Homan

0:36:08.840 --> 0:36:12.160
<v Speaker 2>on Fox News. He's an actual borders are this one

0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Unlike Kamala Harris.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.680
<v Speaker 12>In the last twenty four hours, rusted over three hundred

0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:20.120
<v Speaker 12>and eight, three hundred and eight serious criminals. Some of

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.640
<v Speaker 12>them were murderers, some of them were rapers, some of

0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 12>them reaped a child, some were a sexual soul of

0:36:25.760 --> 0:36:27.960
<v Speaker 12>a child. So I says, doing their job, and they're

0:36:28.000 --> 0:36:31.320
<v Speaker 12>prioritizing just as the President said they would, so I says,

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 12>performing excellent right now out in the field, and they're

0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:35.120
<v Speaker 12>going to continue every day.

0:36:36.120 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Bridgid.

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>It's amazing watching actual political leadership play out in the

0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:42.240
<v Speaker 2>Western world.

0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.919
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, Calob, I think Americans who voted for Trump will

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:51.080
<v Speaker 13>be very, very happy that he's delivering so quickly on

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 13>his promises. He's spent that time between the election and

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 13>the inauguration well, clearly has strong plans for implementation for

0:36:59.600 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 13>his election and promises. And I think that's also going

0:37:02.239 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 13>to go some way to re establishing trust with the

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.359
<v Speaker 13>electric more broadly, when you actually have leaders who mean

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.640
<v Speaker 13>what they say and then do what they say they're

0:37:10.640 --> 0:37:12.520
<v Speaker 13>going to do, it's not rocket science.

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:13.040
<v Speaker 1>No, indeed.

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>And this is the thing that I don't get Joe

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 2>about why left wing governments can't wrestle with very simple

0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 2>concepts such as we don't want child rapists illegally in

0:37:24.160 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>our countries.

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:26.239
<v Speaker 4>And I get that.

0:37:26.280 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, the Baden administration probably thought that Democrats would

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 2>eventually benefit from people pouring over the border and then

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 2>one day becoming a citizen because who were they going

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 2>to vote for? Accept the Democrats?

0:37:36.120 --> 0:37:37.200
<v Speaker 4>But it didn't work.

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>No, that's right.

0:37:38.200 --> 0:37:40.360
<v Speaker 11>I mean, for one thing, I mean, the biggest mistake

0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 11>the Biden administration made was simply just leaving Trump's leaving

0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:48.200
<v Speaker 11>Trump's policies in place and then pretending you're being far nice.

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:49.600
<v Speaker 11>I mean, that would have been a smart thing to do,

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:52.920
<v Speaker 11>and said they actually unwound them and created this giant

0:37:53.040 --> 0:37:55.120
<v Speaker 11>nightmare for themselves. I don't know what else they thought

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.319
<v Speaker 11>would be coming. And that is true, it is not.

0:37:57.640 --> 0:37:59.960
<v Speaker 11>And there are a lot of people in the Labor

0:38:00.040 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 11>Party who I talk to all the time who are

0:38:02.239 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 11>just beside themselves about why people on the looney left

0:38:06.360 --> 0:38:10.439
<v Speaker 11>think that it's humane to incentivize a death race over

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 11>the high Seas to come to Australia and if you survive,

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:15.359
<v Speaker 11>you make it like it's sort of like a kind

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 11>of macabre TV reality show. Likewise, you are if you

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 11>are going to have a generous and humane immigration policy

0:38:24.000 --> 0:38:27.680
<v Speaker 11>and a humanitarian immigration policy, which the US kind.

0:38:27.480 --> 0:38:28.600
<v Speaker 4>Of doesn't really have much at all.

0:38:28.600 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 11>Australia does much better. But you need to be able

0:38:31.200 --> 0:38:32.600
<v Speaker 11>to control your borders and you need to be able

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:34.920
<v Speaker 11>to say, yes, you're good, come in, we're going to

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 11>give you shelter and know you're a child abuser, get

0:38:38.320 --> 0:38:40.879
<v Speaker 11>the hell out. And the other smart thing, of course,

0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 11>that Trump is doing is doing this all with such fanfare,

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:48.120
<v Speaker 11>literally on day one, so that all of his constituents,

0:38:48.120 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 11>all his voters can see, oh my god. You know,

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.160
<v Speaker 11>it's almost like it's changed overnight. And whatever happens in

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.920
<v Speaker 11>the future, and there will undoubtedly be complications, but people

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 11>will remember that Trump did this on day one.

0:38:58.560 --> 0:38:58.680
<v Speaker 6>Thing.

0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 11>Yes, he got tough on the board. So it's good

0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.439
<v Speaker 11>politics and it's it's probably good policy as well.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 2>It's just straight forward stuff because we will have our

0:39:05.719 --> 0:39:08.560
<v Speaker 2>own migration part of some description here when it comes

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>to the federal election, except that one will be over

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>legal migration. But it will be an issue.

0:39:14.000 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 6>Now.

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:18.040
<v Speaker 2>Shock horror, it's summer. It's hot in Queensland. I mean,

0:39:18.160 --> 0:39:20.160
<v Speaker 2>next thing you'll find out that I drink too much

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:21.920
<v Speaker 2>read and I don't think it's the first time that

0:39:21.960 --> 0:39:24.880
<v Speaker 2>this has happened. But their energy supplies are so dire

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 2>that the government workers, the public servants are being asked

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 2>to cut back on electricity to help prevent power outages.

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:35.719
<v Speaker 2>They've been told to turn off the second computer screen.

0:39:38.320 --> 0:39:38.640
<v Speaker 11>Service.

0:39:41.800 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 2>They'll have to draw all the blinds as if they

0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 2>weren't already doing that, so no one could see that

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:49.040
<v Speaker 2>they weren't doing any work. They'll only be able to

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:53.560
<v Speaker 2>have one printer in each office turned on and tear.

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 11>Down the air cons so they have to take off

0:39:55.120 --> 0:39:56.520
<v Speaker 11>their cardigans.

0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:58.400
<v Speaker 4>It is just ridiculous.

0:39:58.440 --> 0:40:02.799
<v Speaker 2>Me. Queensland is a tropical state, bridge it gets hot

0:40:02.840 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 2>in summer. This is not a new concept. If they

0:40:06.040 --> 0:40:10.240
<v Speaker 2>cannot handle a forty degree day without public servants being

0:40:10.239 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 2>told to do less work, less than they're already doing,

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.279
<v Speaker 2>to try and make the state not go into a blackout.

0:40:17.000 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I know we have these examples every summer now, but

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 2>they keep happening every summer and we don't seem to

0:40:23.120 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>do anything about it.

0:40:24.200 --> 0:40:25.399
<v Speaker 4>That's the scariest bit.

0:40:27.200 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, Caleb, I think fragility of public servants and their

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 13>productivity aside. I think the essential issue is just the

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 13>fragility of our electricity grid and energy security.

0:40:37.960 --> 0:40:38.799
<v Speaker 2>Whether it is in.

0:40:38.719 --> 0:40:43.279
<v Speaker 13>The depths of a Queensland summer or the frigidity of

0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:48.160
<v Speaker 13>a Melbourne winter. The fact that our electricity grid and

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 13>energy security is so fragile at the moment is a

0:40:52.000 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 13>grave concern.

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 4>It's not just in Queensland.

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:59.319
<v Speaker 13>We heard the wa Premiere today say that blackouts are

0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.280
<v Speaker 13>just part of the transition. And you've got a story

0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 13>in the OS tomorrow around the South Australian locking in

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 13>two diesel generators to secure their own energy supply going forward.

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 13>So this is actually a result of state and federal

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:21.320
<v Speaker 13>government under labor governments, pursuit of one hundred percent renewable

0:41:21.360 --> 0:41:26.920
<v Speaker 13>without actually having a generator of reliable, affordable base load

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:29.960
<v Speaker 13>going into the grid. So if you're going to remove

0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.439
<v Speaker 13>the coal, you've got to replace it with something that's

0:41:33.480 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 13>going to keep the air conditioners on, the computers going,

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 13>our refrigerators running, etc. We're a modern industrialized country and

0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:47.160
<v Speaker 13>that means we need to have a reliable.

0:41:46.680 --> 0:41:48.000
<v Speaker 4>And affordable energy supply.

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:52.000
<v Speaker 13>It's one oh one and unfortunately, under state and federal

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:55.799
<v Speaker 13>labor governments energy policies, that's not happening and it's going

0:41:55.840 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 13>to be our citizens that feel the consequences.

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, you mentioned South Australian, it's diesel. I always love

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.920
<v Speaker 2>when this happens. You know, it's the renewable energy is unreliable.

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 2>So we've got the environmentally friendly way to deal with

0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:09.840
<v Speaker 2>that diesel. And now I want to get your thoughts

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 2>on this quickly, Joe. Children in Victoria are going to

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:16.040
<v Speaker 2>be taught in schools now as young as ten years

0:42:16.040 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 2>old about the dangers of vaping, because apparently this is

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the sort of age at which kids are starting to

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:24.040
<v Speaker 2>pick up vaping. And I know, once upon a time

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:26.080
<v Speaker 2>it would have been a cigarette behind the bike shed.

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:27.920
<v Speaker 4>We've sort of got the new version of that that

0:42:28.000 --> 0:42:28.480
<v Speaker 4>is vaping.

0:42:28.920 --> 0:42:34.560
<v Speaker 2>But I find it hilarious that governments, both state and federal,

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:37.200
<v Speaker 2>that could have treated it in the same way as

0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:41.600
<v Speaker 2>smoking and had a regulated legal market that would have

0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 2>stopped all these dodgy people selling them to kids in

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:45.200
<v Speaker 2>corner shops.

0:42:45.360 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 4>They couldn't do that.

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:48.799
<v Speaker 2>They had to make it illegal, and now they're having

0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>to bring in programs to deal with the problem that

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 2>they caused.

0:42:52.360 --> 0:42:54.960
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I've got to say I agree with that. I

0:42:54.600 --> 0:42:58.799
<v Speaker 11>am a reform smoker and i quit via vaping and

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:01.759
<v Speaker 11>I'm now for legit. I've got all my paperwork and

0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.360
<v Speaker 11>my little prescription and everything, and it was heavily is

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 11>to get. But it could have very easily. It's very

0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:10.319
<v Speaker 11>boring to tell you what, kids, it's not anything I

0:43:10.360 --> 0:43:14.120
<v Speaker 11>do is not cool, so just don't do it. But

0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 11>but yeah, it is it is nonetheless a real problem

0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 11>in schools, and I think that is the kind of

0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.719
<v Speaker 11>problem when you have you have something that's sort of

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:24.400
<v Speaker 11>illegal for everybody. Well, there's no incentive for the retailer

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:27.359
<v Speaker 11>to abide by the rules, and so you have them

0:43:27.400 --> 0:43:30.480
<v Speaker 11>selling vapes can't launch. Everyone knows you can get them,

0:43:30.480 --> 0:43:31.920
<v Speaker 11>and where you can get them. I've never gotten from

0:43:31.920 --> 0:43:33.960
<v Speaker 11>a corner store, but you know, I'm told that it's

0:43:34.000 --> 0:43:37.360
<v Speaker 11>incredibly easy and you can see it. And whereas you know,

0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.359
<v Speaker 11>you don't have that problem with alcohol, which is very

0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.759
<v Speaker 11>heavily regulated, and the retailers know that they can make

0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:47.080
<v Speaker 11>their money, but they also know that their neck is

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 11>on the line if they're caught selling it to minors.

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.319
<v Speaker 11>So to a certain extent, they regulate themselves, and the

0:43:51.320 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 11>industry regulates itself and that and that's sort of where

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:56.600
<v Speaker 11>the government kind of in a funny way, ended up

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 11>getting to anyway, after the Greens of all people said no,

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 11>you shouldn't have done but it should just be sold

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.200
<v Speaker 11>in chemists anyway, But it is very it is very

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.800
<v Speaker 11>much a problem. My own kids get told at primary

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:08.920
<v Speaker 11>school about the dangers of vaping. I went to a

0:44:09.000 --> 0:44:12.319
<v Speaker 11>high school in western Sydney where the principal an awesome guy,

0:44:12.440 --> 0:44:15.520
<v Speaker 11>fantastic bloke, big fan of mine obviously, but he had

0:44:15.560 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 11>to install vape detectors in the toilets. Yeah, because there

0:44:19.080 --> 0:44:22.680
<v Speaker 11>were so many kids vaping in the toilets that other

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 11>kids were actually refusing to go to the toilet at

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:27.680
<v Speaker 11>all during the school days because they didn't want to

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.279
<v Speaker 11>go in there, and inhale all the staff for you know,

0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:32.680
<v Speaker 11>I have other people around, so it is very much

0:44:32.680 --> 0:44:35.399
<v Speaker 11>a difficult problem at one and I.

0:44:35.360 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 2>Reckon there are regulatory ways they could have dealt with

0:44:37.560 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 2>that before.

0:44:37.920 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 11>It device and that's it, and that's how, and they refuse.

0:44:42.239 --> 0:44:43.280
<v Speaker 4>To do it.

0:44:42.760 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 2>And here we are now, Bridget Joe, thank you so

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:46.440
<v Speaker 2>much for your time tonight.

0:44:46.560 --> 0:44:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Now, don't go anywhere.

0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Indigenous leader Warren Mundine is going to rip into the

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:53.319
<v Speaker 2>all of the Invasion day hysteria as they call it,

0:44:53.400 --> 0:44:57.080
<v Speaker 2>in just a moment. Don't go away.

0:44:58.120 --> 0:44:58.840
<v Speaker 4>Now, you'll remember.

0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 2>In December, Hong Kong owned pub group Australian Venue Co

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.560
<v Speaker 2>backflipped on its decision to boycott the Celebrations of Australia

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:08.000
<v Speaker 2>Date more than two hundred of its pubs following a

0:45:08.000 --> 0:45:11.560
<v Speaker 2>public backlash Well, now they've backflipped on the backflip, which

0:45:11.600 --> 0:45:14.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't imagine is terribly good for ones back calling

0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 2>January twenty sixth just a long weekend, Indigenous leader Warren

0:45:18.640 --> 0:45:22.320
<v Speaker 2>Mundine joins me. Now, Warren, you'd think they would have

0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:26.200
<v Speaker 2>learnt their lesson the first time round, didn't they See

0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 2>what happened to Woolworth's last year.

0:45:30.120 --> 0:45:33.160
<v Speaker 14>Look, I just can't believe it, you know, you know,

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 14>they just got to punch in the naise and so

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 14>they're going to stick their head up and get punched

0:45:37.680 --> 0:45:41.880
<v Speaker 14>in the naise again. Look, I'm getting sick, like all Australians,

0:45:41.920 --> 0:45:46.359
<v Speaker 14>I'm getting sick and tired of people telling us what

0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 14>we should celebrate and what we shouldn't celebrate, and we

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:53.000
<v Speaker 14>should be celebrating Australia. And I'm on public record as saying,

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.000
<v Speaker 14>you know, I wanted to move the date so we

0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.600
<v Speaker 14>could all celebrate together. But what are in the last

0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:01.440
<v Speaker 14>twelve months I've realized is that these people don't want

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 14>to celebrate Australia. It could be any day of the year,

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:06.480
<v Speaker 14>any day of the month, and they're not going to

0:46:06.520 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 14>celebrate it. In fact, they're going to talk, They're going

0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 14>to they just hate Australia. They just hate Australia. And

0:46:13.160 --> 0:46:15.880
<v Speaker 14>I sit there and go, well, buggy is you know,

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<v Speaker 14>We've got a lot to celebrate in Australia. And it's

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<v Speaker 14>not about Arfur Philip or Captain Cork or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 14>even though they play a role in it. It's about us.

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<v Speaker 14>In the last sixty seventy years, we have taken this

0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 14>country into an incredible, you know, amazing country. You know,

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:38.480
<v Speaker 14>we're overcoming our history. But you know, you know, fifty

0:46:38.480 --> 0:46:41.359
<v Speaker 14>percent of Australia, over fifty percent of Australia now owned

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<v Speaker 14>by Aboriginal people. Isn't that something to celebrate? You know,

0:46:44.880 --> 0:46:49.200
<v Speaker 14>we in Mensies in sixty two gave Aboriginal people full

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<v Speaker 14>voting rights. Isn't that something to celebrate? In sixty seven

0:46:53.160 --> 0:46:57.360
<v Speaker 14>the referendum, even though we were British subjects and Australian citizens,

0:46:57.520 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 14>we were treated by the States and territories the second class.

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<v Speaker 14>That referendum got rid of all the race laws in Australia.

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<v Speaker 14>You know, isn't that's something to celebrate. All the migrants

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<v Speaker 14>who have come to Australia post Second World War, escaping

0:47:10.440 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 14>wars and oppression and bigotry and everything. They come to

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<v Speaker 14>Australia and build an economic future for themselves and their

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<v Speaker 14>children and grandchildren. Isn't that something they celebrate? You know,

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<v Speaker 14>We've got so much to celebrate here, and yet these

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<v Speaker 14>people just want to hate.

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<v Speaker 2>And the point you made then about, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that you could change the date and it's not

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<v Speaker 2>going to change their point of view. That is the

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<v Speaker 2>point now, and it's the reason that you'll have these

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<v Speaker 2>pro Palestinian protesters join with the anti Australia Day protesters

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<v Speaker 2>on Sunday in Melbourne to go after Australia Day, because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about the date. It's not about January twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about even colonization as a concept.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>They do not like that Australia exists as the country

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<v Speaker 2>that it is, and you could change the date to

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<v Speaker 2>anything and it's not going to change what their fundamental

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<v Speaker 2>problem is. And that is an issue with the West

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<v Speaker 2>and Western values.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, one of the.

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<v Speaker 14>Things I love about free speech is that people actually

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<v Speaker 14>then out themselves. What are the pro Palestinians having to

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<v Speaker 14>do with protesting against Australia Day, You know, for God's sake.

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<v Speaker 14>You think there's enough trouble in Gaza and other places

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<v Speaker 14>around the Middle East for them to protest about.

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<v Speaker 1>But about having.

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<v Speaker 14>To get their stick there, you know, the little finger

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<v Speaker 14>into what's happening in Australia. Look, the whole thing is

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<v Speaker 14>just a load of crap. Melbourne, you look at Melbourne

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<v Speaker 14>are going to do protests and everything down that has

0:48:38.160 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 14>become the Australian capital of protests. What we should be

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<v Speaker 14>doing is bringing the country together. Bringing Look, you know,

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<v Speaker 14>I went to school in Auburn, you know, in Sydney

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<v Speaker 14>multicultural area, Turks, Lebanese, Maltese, Italians, everyone, Africans. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 14>it in that commun you know, at the school with

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<v Speaker 14>thirty nine kids in my class and thirty nine different

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<v Speaker 14>nationalities in my class, you know, And you know, yes

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<v Speaker 14>now and again we had a bit of a punch

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<v Speaker 14>up in the school yard, but we all become mates.

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<v Speaker 14>Here we are thirty years later, and I visit them

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<v Speaker 14>in Brisbane and Canberra and Adelaide and every other place

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<v Speaker 14>where they moved to and that, and we're still mates today.

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<v Speaker 14>And that should be celebrated. You know, there's a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of things we should be celebrating and saying, what a

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<v Speaker 14>wonderful country. If we're such a bad country, why are

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<v Speaker 14>people risking their lives to get on rickety boats to

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<v Speaker 14>come here? And why do millions of people want to

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<v Speaker 14>come and live here? Is because we got we've got

0:49:40.719 --> 0:49:45.000
<v Speaker 14>multicultural Australia, we've got multi ethnic groups, we've got multi

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<v Speaker 14>faith boots, we've got even atheists. You know, we love

0:49:49.520 --> 0:49:53.239
<v Speaker 14>our atheists. And we're all here working together to make

0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 14>this country a better country.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what we.

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<v Speaker 14>Should be celebrating. You know, we're the most one of

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<v Speaker 14>the most liberal democracies with individual freedoms.

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<v Speaker 11>And liberties and that and opportunities.

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<v Speaker 14>We should be celebrating that. And and you know, these people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, very sorry, we've we've run out of time.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to go to Paul, but you're one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent right, and thank you so much for joining me tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>And on that note, it's time for me to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Here is Paul in the man Cove