Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the program. Caleb Bond in
Speaker 2: for Shari tonight. Well, Australia Day is of course around
Speaker 2: the corner. The activists back in force, but this time
Speaker 2: they'll be joined by the pro Palestinian mob to go
Speaker 2: after sorry, one of the country's biggest sporting events. Indigenous
Speaker 2: leader Warren Mundine excuse me, I've got something stuck in
Speaker 2: my throat, will give us his thoughts on the annual
Speaker 2: January twenty six panic attack later, much like the panic
Speaker 2: attack I'm having right now, plus with a major update
Speaker 2: on the anti Semitic attacks in Sydney. It looks like
Speaker 2: the New South Wales police are starting to get on
Speaker 2: top of the crisis. If only we could say the
Speaker 2: same though for the Albanesi government. I'll have Julian Lisa
Speaker 2: on the show a little later to discuss, and plenty
Speaker 2: of fun content too. Between Tesla owner's crying about Elon
Speaker 2: Musk being right wing Queensland government workers trying to stave
Speaker 2: off the summer heat, there's plenty for my panels to
Speaker 2: get into tonight. First, these anti Australia Day activists are
Speaker 2: truly getting desperate. I mean to go after the Australian Open.
Speaker 2: For heaven's sake. Sunday night, of course, will be the
Speaker 2: men's finals. So apparently the trots down in Melbourne, there's
Speaker 2: plenty of them down there. They're going to rock up
Speaker 2: and interrupt one of the biggest tennis events in the world.
Speaker 2: And this goes to the point of what they're really protesting.
Speaker 2: They're not protesting about January twenty six. They're not protesting
Speaker 2: about Australia Day being on January twenty six. They're protesting
Speaker 2: about Australia, the whole concept of the place, the fact
Speaker 2: that it even exists, and you could change Australia Day
Speaker 2: to any day on the calendar and it wouldn't make
Speaker 2: a lick of difference because it would still be the
Speaker 2: same country that they hate, with the same colonial roots
Speaker 2: that they hate. It was just about the date, the
Speaker 2: twenty sixth. Who wouldn't go after one of our biggest
Speaker 2: global events, because of course this could get global attention
Speaker 2: if they somehow manage to disrupt the men's final, But
Speaker 2: that's what they want. They want Australia to look like
Speaker 2: a laughing stock on the world stage. They want to
Speaker 2: embarrass Australia because they don't believe in Australia. Even Victorian
Speaker 2: Premier just Into Allen says protesting the Australian Open is disgusting.
Speaker 3: I think it'd be disgusting to target the Australian Open
Speaker 3: and that would really break I think the patients of
Speaker 3: the public. Conflict around the world should never bring and
Speaker 3: should never be used as an opportunity to bring division
Speaker 3: and hate to our streets. But we have seen a
Speaker 3: small number of people choose to use that overseas conflict
Speaker 3: for their own purposes to drive hate and division here
Speaker 3: in our streets. Victoria Police are operationally ready. They will
Speaker 3: be there in large numbers, and they have the powers
Speaker 3: they need should any activity turn violent, and.
Speaker 2: She's right, it would test the public's patients and these protesters,
Speaker 2: these activists need to know that we are not going
Speaker 2: to be patient with them anymore. We are sick of
Speaker 2: being told that we live in a terrible country when
Speaker 2: we know that we don't, and that we should feel
Speaker 2: guilty all the time when we know that we shouldn't.
Speaker 2: We know that we live in one of the best
Speaker 2: countries on Earth. We're sick of being lectured about conflicts
Speaker 2: on the other side of the world and being told
Speaker 2: by people whose religion and culture are anathema to ours
Speaker 2: that we need to cowt out to them and change
Speaker 2: our values so they feel more comfortable. I mean, what
Speaker 2: do you think would happen if I walk through the
Speaker 2: middle of Gaza this weekend proclaiming that it was the
Speaker 2: ancestral land of the Jews. I certainly wouldn't be back
Speaker 2: here on Monday to be able to talk about it.
Speaker 2: And this is apparently what might happen in Melbourne on Sunday.
Speaker 2: You have these Anti Australia Day people and these pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian people both organizing rallies on Australia Day that might
Speaker 2: converge and make one massive protest in the CBD that
Speaker 2: will then move towards Melbourne Park to disrupt the tennis.
Speaker 2: And it's no coincidence that the pro Palestinian mob would
Speaker 2: choose to protest on Australia Day, because again, they might
Speaker 2: be outwardly protesting about something on the other side of
Speaker 2: the world, but they're also protesting against Australia. They and
Speaker 2: the Anti Australia Day lot are one and the same.
Speaker 2: They share the same common belief are disdain for the West.
Speaker 2: They could protest any other day of the year, but
Speaker 2: just like they chose to protest on October the seventh,
Speaker 2: they couldn't even let Jews an Israeli's mark in peace,
Speaker 2: the day that their people were massacred. They choose to
Speaker 2: protest on Australia Day to drive home the point that
Speaker 2: they don't like us. They know exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 2: They know that Australia Day is quote unquote a divisive day,
Speaker 2: or at least some have done their best to make
Speaker 2: it a divisive day, and they want to wed open
Speaker 2: that division a little bit more because it helps confuse
Speaker 2: and weaken a Western country. It makes a mockery of
Speaker 2: our culture, and that is exactly what they want. And
Speaker 2: if they can join with the Australia Day protesters to
Speaker 2: make a mega protest that interrupts the Tennis and gets
Speaker 2: their message on TV screens across the world about what
Speaker 2: a divided country Australia is, then even better for them.
Speaker 2: By the way, what are they even protesting about anymore?
Speaker 2: I mean, all this time they've been calling for a
Speaker 2: cease fire, they finally got one that includes some pretty
Speaker 2: good terms for Hummas, it should be said. And they're
Speaker 2: still not happy. But you see, they were never just
Speaker 2: protesting about Israel or against war. They were protesting against
Speaker 2: the West. They were protesting against us and our values
Speaker 2: and our laws and our beliefs. It was never just
Speaker 2: about Israel versus Hamas, it was about the West versus
Speaker 2: the rest. That's why they're still protes testing, and that's
Speaker 2: why they're protesting on our national day.
Speaker 4: That's why you can't change the date of Australia Day.
Speaker 2: You give these people an inch, they will take a mile.
Speaker 2: They will not be happy until the whole concept of
Speaker 2: Australia has been destroyed. And they're getting more and more
Speaker 2: desperate because their efforts aren't working anymore. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: we might have been through a decade of self loathing
Speaker 2: as a nation over Australia Day, but Australia Day is back.
Speaker 2: You saw the polling from the IPA recently. Support for
Speaker 2: Australia Day went from sixty three percent last year to
Speaker 2: sixty nine percent this year, and even the majority of
Speaker 2: young people supported it being it. On January twenty six,
Speaker 2: we stared down the voice. We stood against racial division.
Speaker 2: Sporting clubs are cutting back on divisive welcomes to country
Speaker 2: and Australians once again feel confident to celebrate their national day.
Speaker 2: We have rejected their division and in response, they will
Speaker 2: try even harder to divide us. But we must not
Speaker 2: let them win. We can't let them win. We won't
Speaker 2: let them win. Australians of all colors and creeds and
Speaker 2: backgrounds are standing up for this wonderful country and this
Speaker 2: wonderful culture that we all share by doing the most
Speaker 2: Australian thing possible and telling these misfits to bugger off
Speaker 2: so we can enjoy a beer and a barbie in
Speaker 2: celebration of what unites us. We will not be divided
Speaker 2: and it's time once and for all to get this
Speaker 2: rubbish off our streets.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: There was a small spot of bother for Opposition leader
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton today when he again said, as he has
Speaker 2: been saying this week, that unlike Donald Trump, he wouldn't
Speaker 2: pull out of the Paris Accords, but he appeared to
Speaker 2: say today that he would break its terms. He started
Speaker 2: on two GB this morning where he said we couldn't
Speaker 2: pull out of the deal because it would hurt exports.
Speaker 6: We're an export nation, so unlike the United States. So
Speaker 6: we're a small nation. We're a population of only twenty
Speaker 6: seven million people. We produce more than we can consume,
Speaker 6: and farmers and manufacturers rely on markets in Asia, in
Speaker 6: Europe and America to export our products. And we've signed
Speaker 6: up to an international agreement which I think we'll have
Speaker 6: continuing relevance for countries in Europe and the future. Dynamic
Speaker 6: can change, but we have to act in our country's
Speaker 6: best interest and to have European countries for example, but
Speaker 6: not exclusively applying tariffs to our exports would mean a
Speaker 6: lot of economic activity here, a lots of jobs.
Speaker 2: Then he spoke at a press for a little later
Speaker 2: and said he wouldn't be sitting any targets other than
Speaker 2: zero bar twenty fifty.
Speaker 7: We're not holding we're not having targets. I've said this before.
Speaker 7: The government's got a secret plane in relation to twenty
Speaker 7: thirty five, which has all sorts of assumptions, but the
Speaker 7: Prime Minister doesn't want you to know about. The Prime
Speaker 7: Minister is hiding us before the election because it doesn't
Speaker 7: want people to know what the twenty thirty five target
Speaker 7: will mean for electricity crisis, where if committed to net
Speaker 7: zero by twenty fifty.
Speaker 4: That's the commitment that we've made and that's.
Speaker 7: What would have been on.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: The only problem with that is that under the terms
Speaker 2: of the Paris Accords, you must set a new target
Speaker 2: every five years. It says so an Article four, paragraph nine,
Speaker 2: each party shall communicate a nationally determined contribution every five years,
Speaker 2: and paragraph eleven says that you can change that only
Speaker 2: to make your target more ambitious. So by what Dutton
Speaker 2: was saying there, we'd stay in the Paris Accords, but
Speaker 2: we wouldn't obey them, which would open us up to
Speaker 2: the same sort of sanctions he talked about earlier in
Speaker 2: the morning, and in that case, what's the point of
Speaker 2: staying in the accord.
Speaker 4: But this afternoon.
Speaker 2: Coalition sources told The Australian that Dutton would set a
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five target he won government, so.
Speaker 4: It would be business as usual.
Speaker 2: And I know Dutton is worried about teals and the
Speaker 2: wet in his own party who are demanding more be.
Speaker 4: Done about climate change. But I'll give you a hint.
Speaker 2: If we're not going to meet our twenty thirty targets,
Speaker 2: and we won't, then the whole thing isn't worth the
Speaker 2: paper it's written on. People in marginal seats are far
Speaker 2: more worried about the cost of their power bills than
Speaker 2: they are about emissions. Now. Look, I said some time
Speaker 2: ago that it would be nayhon impossible for the Coalition
Speaker 2: to win the next federal election just based on the
Speaker 2: sheer number of seats that they need to form a majority.
Speaker 2: I mean, they need twenty one extra seats, and I'd
Speaker 2: still say it's a difficult task.
Speaker 4: But I tell you what, it's definitely not.
Speaker 2: Impossible anymore, maybe in the form of a minority government
Speaker 2: of some description if needed, but it is looking more
Speaker 2: and more possible. I mean, check out the latest Resolve
Speaker 2: poll in the nine papers today, Peter Dutton is now
Speaker 2: ahead as preferred Prime minister, jumping from thirty five percent
Speaker 2: to thirty nine percent in the space of a month.
Speaker 2: And in two party terms, the Coalition also led fifty
Speaker 2: two to forty eight percent based on preferences if people
Speaker 2: were voting at an election today forty six percent.
Speaker 4: They're also expecting.
Speaker 2: Real wages to fall this year, and that's a significant
Speaker 2: portion of people, and fifty percent half of the people
Speaker 2: surveyed think that inflation will get worse, not better in
Speaker 2: the near future. Let's bring in our journalist at the
Speaker 2: Daily Telegraph, James Willis James, these are pretty dire numbers,
Speaker 2: just months out from an election for a first term government,
Speaker 2: I mean, the Albanese government. The Treasurer Jim Chalmers has
Speaker 2: been saying ad nauseam, don't worry, We're through the worst of.
Speaker 4: All of this.
Speaker 2: When it comes to inflation, We're coming out the other side,
Speaker 2: we're correcting course, etc.
Speaker 4: People clearly don't believe it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good evening to you, Caleb. And it's funny.
Speaker 8: I spent the day in the CBD speaking to a
Speaker 8: number of small business owners and away from the.
Speaker 1: Political spin that you're hearing from.
Speaker 8: Both sides, from a lot of the economists, you're hearing
Speaker 8: these stories from people that are really struggling a lot
Speaker 8: of people that aren't interested in playing politics, but are
Speaker 8: struggling now more than ever with energy prices, rent, the
Speaker 8: cost of food goods, the cost of wages, the cost
Speaker 8: of a barista, some of the stories I was hearing
Speaker 8: today which obviously impact the cup of coffee. And look,
Speaker 8: this polling is deeply concerning and I think the real
Speaker 8: problem for labor and I'm with you this whole time.
Speaker 8: I've thought a simple math sum indicates that it would
Speaker 8: take two elections for the Coalition to get back in.
Speaker 8: But look, the real issue for Labor is the polling
Speaker 8: directly in regards to the Prime Minister and the Prime
Speaker 8: Minister's performance and the Prime minister's leadership is what should
Speaker 8: be concerning Labor in the next few months as we
Speaker 8: head up to an election.
Speaker 1: I think that is the real issue.
Speaker 8: I'm amazed that we haven't heard more rumblings about movement
Speaker 8: there because and I've said for quite some time, Calb
Speaker 8: that I've seen the Prime Minister at press conferences. He
Speaker 8: appears lethargic, he appears like he's not always across his brief.
Speaker 8: He's getting very angry at journalists when things don't go
Speaker 8: his way. In you have to wonder whether that dates
Speaker 8: back to the Voice and the stunning and disastrous defeat there,
Speaker 8: but also some of those issues that impacted Anthony Alberinezi
Speaker 8: last year, the Quanta saga, the issues with purchasing the home.
Speaker 8: He hasn't handled criticism well. I think he's terribly advised.
Speaker 8: And the one issue for Labor if he talked to
Speaker 8: Poulses at the grass roots is the performance of the
Speaker 8: Prime Minister. And I think a lot of people thought, look,
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton might not be popular enough to win an election.
Speaker 8: The polls start to indicate otherwise. So it's going to
Speaker 8: be fascinating to see what happens in the next few months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think Dutton has really come into his
Speaker 2: own in the last six months or so. People have
Speaker 2: been desperate for a modicum of leadership and they've been
Speaker 2: able to find that in Peter Dutton. They haven't been
Speaker 2: able to find it in the Prime Minister. And again,
Speaker 2: one seats they need if they want to form a majority,
Speaker 2: which is a very big ask.
Speaker 4: It is a difficult task. But I'd tell you what.
Speaker 2: On the polling we're seeing at the moment, it's not
Speaker 2: impossible we could see this be a one term government.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be something? And of course, amid all of
Speaker 2: this plunging support, Jeff Chambers in the ODS is compared
Speaker 2: to Alberesi and Dutton's election blitz over the summer and
Speaker 2: basically you've had the unofficial start to the campaign.
Speaker 4: He's found that the.
Speaker 2: PM visitor Door held events in at least twenty five
Speaker 2: electorates since December, the first the opposition leader's done twenty fours.
Speaker 4: They're pretty much even on that.
Speaker 2: But Chambers wrote that the summer campaign analysis shows mister
Speaker 2: Alberanzi is largely in a defensive posture, visiting at risk
Speaker 2: Labor seats. Well, Dutton is playing the offensive. He's going
Speaker 2: to the seats that he wants to take now. Only
Speaker 2: a few months ago it was reported that Alberanzi was
Speaker 2: walking around privately, he was going into the party rooms
Speaker 2: saying that not only would Labor win the next election,
Speaker 2: they would be returned with more seats. I suspect the
Speaker 2: reality you're starting to hit the Prime Minister that that
Speaker 2: is highly unlikely to be the case.
Speaker 8: Well, absolutely, and particularly when you look at some of
Speaker 8: the polling in Victoria, which has notoriously been a real
Speaker 8: problem for the coalition, probably its weakest area. And the
Speaker 8: Liberal insight is a bullish about winning three maybe four
Speaker 8: seats in Victoria, which has been quite an issue for
Speaker 8: quite some time. I mean, the Wa election is a
Speaker 8: bit of a gem and it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 8: whether the Labor vote holds up there. I think my
Speaker 8: guard is the Prime Minister will wait until after that
Speaker 8: before calling the election. But certainly when you look at approach,
Speaker 8: I mean the election campaign is underway. Let's face it,
Speaker 8: they've been everywhere. They've been announcing enormous money. The Prime
Speaker 8: Minister has been in Queensland, he's been in other parts
Speaker 8: of the country with announcements. The one thing I would
Speaker 8: say is that for Peter Dutton, I mean it's a
Speaker 8: very easy, small target strategy that is going to win
Speaker 8: a lot of votes. When he talks about cost of living,
Speaker 8: people that that politically engaged would be looking at their mortgages,
Speaker 8: they'd be looking at the household bills, insurance, all the
Speaker 8: prices that come with running a family and suddenly figuring
Speaker 8: out well, it actually hasn't been all that straightforward and
Speaker 8: simple and easy in the past three years. Despite Labor
Speaker 8: promising to fix the cost of living crisis, I mean.
Speaker 1: They've just failed to do that.
Speaker 8: They've made other changes in terms of medicine, but not
Speaker 8: enough to simplify and make it easier for households. And
Speaker 8: Peter Dunton has enormous gain in terms of migration Kaylor
Speaker 8: because people look at housing, they look at a shortage
Speaker 8: of services at state levels in New South Wales where
Speaker 8: I live, its hospitals. We've failed on our housing target
Speaker 8: again twelve months ago. The Men's government in New South
Speaker 8: Wales can't keep up. But then people are smart enough
Speaker 8: to say, well hang on. In the last few years
Speaker 8: we've brought one million people into the country, which filled
Speaker 8: jobs and might have made the economic figures look a
Speaker 8: little bit better. But they all need a place to live.
Speaker 8: They wanted a school for their kids, they owned a
Speaker 8: hospital when they're sick, and so people are starting to
Speaker 8: put two and two together. So there is enormous ground
Speaker 8: for Peter Dutton in terms of discussing cuts to migration
Speaker 8: and the targets they're moving forward. Plus international students, which
Speaker 8: I think people have figured out are just a cash
Speaker 8: grab for universities and don't help Bussie jobs.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately for Alberisi, unless those margrants have become citizens,
Speaker 2: which none of them would have yet, they don't vote.
Speaker 2: Well done, Albo James, Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: Let's get into some of the other big stories of
Speaker 2: the day with Perth Lord Mayor Basil's implus and National
Speaker 2: Senator Matt Canavan.
Speaker 4: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Now. Gina Rynhart's been over in the US for Trump's inauguration.
Speaker 2: I kind of wish I'd been over there for it,
Speaker 2: but that's all right.
Speaker 4: I won't be able to do it for Trump again.
Speaker 2: But who knows, Jadie Vance in four years time might
Speaker 2: be worth going over Forore if he has a shot
Speaker 2: at it, because it certainly looked like one hell of
Speaker 2: a party. But she reckons that Alberize needs to take
Speaker 2: a page from Donald Trump's playbook. Now, look, the chances
Speaker 2: of that happening are probably about the same as me
Speaker 2: protesting against jumps racing. But she told The Australian that
Speaker 2: if we are sensible, we should set up a doge
Speaker 2: the dog immediately the Department of Government Waste, et cetera
Speaker 2: reduced government waste, government tape and regulations. Donald Trump has
Speaker 2: led an important movement, she said, with his policies, a
Speaker 2: movement that is.
Speaker 4: Growing and growing.
Speaker 2: I hope our country is not left behind.
Speaker 4: And you would have.
Speaker 2: To ask the question, wouldn't you that if we were
Speaker 2: subjected to another term of an Albanesi government, we would
Speaker 2: be left behind in the wake of a leader like
Speaker 2: Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, he has.
Speaker 2: Brought back the idea of America first and It's great
Speaker 2: to have the idea of America first, but the rest
Speaker 2: of the West has to be in on that game. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: even though we are an ally basil, we will lose out.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 9: I think what we've really seen with Donald Trump's victory,
Speaker 9: And you know, you talk about the two leaders that
Speaker 9: we have here in Australia. Anthony Albanesi is never going
Speaker 9: to mirror Donald Trump, nor is Peter Dutton. But clearly
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton has the conservative qualities that more closely align
Speaker 9: with those of Donald Trump. And I think psychologically and
Speaker 9: in other ways, donald Trump's victory and in the days
Speaker 9: after his swearing in, that straight shooting and that redefining
Speaker 9: the way forward for the United States under his leadership,
Speaker 9: does subconsciously and otherwise make it easier for those on
Speaker 9: the conservative side, because that traditional more conservative thinking suddenly
Speaker 9: is back in vogue in one of the world's biggest democracies.
Speaker 9: And there will be people here who think, if it's
Speaker 9: okay over there, it can be okay here. They'll be
Speaker 9: more confident, they'll be more prepared to speak up, and
Speaker 9: there'll be more people saying, well, actually, that straight talking
Speaker 9: and straight thinking is okay and all of that suits
Speaker 9: Peter Dutton much much more than it does Anthony Albanezi.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a reinvigoration and it's a correction in culture
Speaker 2: mat which I think is so important. But I mean
Speaker 2: we need a Department of Government efficiency here too, Right,
Speaker 2: We've got to.
Speaker 10: Get serious about government over each government spending, the red
Speaker 10: tape we all suffer under. I mean, as you pointed
Speaker 10: out before, America First could very well mean Australia is
Speaker 10: left behind if we don't get our act together and
Speaker 10: respond to the competitive challenge that's been put here by
Speaker 10: the actions of Donald Trump. And you asked about Gina Reinhart, Well,
Speaker 10: I think missus Reinhardt is one of Australia's most successful
Speaker 10: business persons, if not a the most successful, and we
Speaker 10: see every Olympics that green and gold run through her vain.
Speaker 10: She is a patriot if nothing else. So I believe
Speaker 10: we should listen to the likes of Missus Reinhart when
Speaker 10: she has something to say. She knows what business needs
Speaker 10: to attract her to invest in her country, to attract
Speaker 10: the jobs that we need to give a prosperous future
Speaker 10: to young Australians. We should we should take some consideration
Speaker 10: here now of the complaints we're getting from business that
Speaker 10: Australia is just not a great place to invest right now.
Speaker 10: And if that continues, we will have some real economic
Speaker 10: pain coming to our shores because we've got way too
Speaker 10: much red tape, Our energy prices are through the roof,
Speaker 10: and government spending under this Labor Party is out of control.
Speaker 4: Correct, And you're quite right.
Speaker 2: I mean, if missus Rahanha didn't spend the money that
Speaker 2: she spends on a lot of sports in this country,
Speaker 2: we will do nowhere near as well at the Olympics
Speaker 2: as we do. And you know, you talk about businesses
Speaker 2: going overseas, just look at Anthony Pratt. I mean he's
Speaker 2: now moved to the US, has set up chop over
Speaker 2: there and is doing really well. This is what we
Speaker 2: will miss out on now. This is extraordinary. Iran reckons
Speaker 2: that Hamas's October seven attack on Israel has ended any
Speaker 2: chance of bringing back the nuclear de escalation set up
Speaker 2: that they had with the United States, which is probably true.
Speaker 4: And the US, the Barda.
Speaker 2: Administration, gave billions and billions and billions of dollars to
Speaker 2: Iran and we know where some of that eventually ended
Speaker 2: up and Trump canceled this last time he was in office,
Speaker 2: so I think we can say that's dead. But this
Speaker 2: is the bit I can't get over. Iran's vice president
Speaker 2: of Strategic Affairs, Mohammad Javad Zariff, he's at the World
Speaker 2: Economic Forum in Davos. He's told them that Iran had
Speaker 2: no idea that October seven was going to happen. Basil,
Speaker 2: they give them money, Iran funds Humas and he wants
Speaker 2: us to believe they had no idea that any of
Speaker 2: this was going to happen.
Speaker 4: Pull the other one.
Speaker 9: Actually, we're in to the trouble of explaining their calendars
Speaker 9: and what was in the calendar and what was blocked in,
Speaker 9: and that the meetings that they had coming up, and
Speaker 9: therefore we could not have known. Not too many people
Speaker 9: around the world are buying that explanation or excuse. It's
Speaker 9: a tenuous and thin one at its absolute best. And
Speaker 9: I think those who are skeptical have good reason to
Speaker 9: be skeptical. So what happens now, where this goes now
Speaker 9: and the impact of Donald Trump's election. I suppose the
Speaker 9: world waits and watchers to see.
Speaker 2: Indeed, and this is again the sort of change that
Speaker 2: we're seeing at the moment, Matt with Trump in power,
Speaker 2: because he's promised to end the Russia Ukraine War within
Speaker 2: days of becoming present. Now probably isn't going to happen
Speaker 2: that fast, but he's signaled to Vladimir Putin today that
Speaker 2: the US is ready to hit Moscow with tough new
Speaker 2: trade restrictions of Russia doesn't make a deal soon to
Speaker 2: end what he calls the ridiculous war in Ukraine. He
Speaker 2: staked a lot of capital on this match. He said
Speaker 2: he will get it done, and somehow I don't doubt
Speaker 2: that he will.
Speaker 1: Well wait and see.
Speaker 10: I hope, I hope we can see an end to
Speaker 10: the conflict there in the Ukraine.
Speaker 2: Has been a.
Speaker 10: Shocking loss of life there, and obviously now it seems
Speaker 10: to be in something like a World War One trench
Speaker 10: warfare where many thousands of people are dying over just
Speaker 10: inches of territory swapping each day. So you just hope,
Speaker 10: as someone who loves peace and hates war, we'd love
Speaker 10: to see the end of that. I mean, Donald Trump
Speaker 10: has helped bring a fairly immediate end to or cease
Speaker 10: for at least in Gaza and Palestine that didn't look
Speaker 10: likely a few months ago. So that's a great result.
Speaker 10: And I think all of this as demonstrations that we
Speaker 10: should try to get less involved in some of these conflicts.
Speaker 10: We don't always understand the cross currents. I'm not so
Speaker 10: sure that Iran and Iran might be right, but they
Speaker 10: didn't know because keep in mind that actually Kataf under
Speaker 10: Hamas Iran's paramilitary body, was Hesbila. They have different religious
Speaker 10: different Muslim religious sensitivities there, and we just don't understand
Speaker 10: the region. None of us do, And to me, it's
Speaker 10: just a lesson that don't get involved in these types
Speaker 10: of wars like Iraq, like Afghanistan, now the Ukraine. They're
Speaker 10: not our areas and we tend to do more harm
Speaker 10: than good by getting too involved in them.
Speaker 4: I have to ask you both about this.
Speaker 2: On a slightly lighter note, I've always wondered how these
Speaker 2: lefty tesla owners must be coping with the fact that
Speaker 2: the hero essentially of the electric vehicle movement has turned
Speaker 2: out to be a right winger. And of course Elon
Speaker 2: Musk is now essentially part of Trump's administration. He's running
Speaker 2: that Department of Government Efficiency. Well, there's a Dutch TV
Speaker 2: news program, and I'm not going to try to pronounce
Speaker 2: the name because I don't want to insult the good
Speaker 2: people of the Netherlands. But they've done some polling that
Speaker 2: found that nearly a third of Tesla owners apparently want
Speaker 2: to get rid of their car because they've cracked it
Speaker 2: over Musk, I mean, Basil.
Speaker 4: This man was their hero.
Speaker 2: He has done more to usher in an age of
Speaker 2: the electric vehicle than anyone else, and now they can't
Speaker 2: even stand the work that he did because he's gone
Speaker 2: off to support Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 2: He supposedly did a Nazi salute please well.
Speaker 9: And that is debatable obviously. Yeah, I think he's an
Speaker 9: unusual chap at the best of times. Elon Musk and
Speaker 9: those actions that he was portraying on stage, I'm not
Speaker 9: quite sure what they were. I'm also not certain what
Speaker 9: they weren't either, But by the bye, it's interesting. The ideologic,
Speaker 9: the ideology and the personality of politics. Yes, when he
Speaker 9: was producing the Green Dream Machine, they are all in
Speaker 9: love with him, and suddenly he's a trump Man and
Speaker 9: it's not as fashionable, it's not as desirable, and it's
Speaker 9: not as first choice for all of those people who
Speaker 9: had chosen it for that reason. What we really don't
Speaker 9: know is what happens at the end of the life
Speaker 9: of the tesla anyone, What actually happens to that big
Speaker 9: chunk of metal. Where does it go? Can it be recycled?
Speaker 9: And where do the batteries go? Can they be disposed
Speaker 9: of safely? We don't know the answers to any of
Speaker 9: those questions.
Speaker 2: Well, maybe Musk can put together one of those rocket
Speaker 2: chips he's building and we can put them all on
Speaker 2: that and seend them to another planet and not worry
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 4: Basel Matt, thank you so much for you.
Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, another arrest over the attempt
Speaker 2: at arson of a Sydney synagogue. Julian Lisa will join
Speaker 2: me in just a moment, and Tramp's crackdown on illegal
Speaker 2: margarants has begun. Three hundred have already been arrested. It's
Speaker 2: amazing what leaders can do when they really actually want
Speaker 2: to do it, isn't it. I'll discuss that more with
Speaker 2: my panel later.
Speaker 4: Don't go away.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: A second man was arrested today over an attempt to
Speaker 2: set a new Town synagogue on fire earlier in the month,
Speaker 2: and they're also, of course accused of vandalizing it with swastikas.
Speaker 4: That's good news.
Speaker 2: We'll keep an eye on it as it plays out
Speaker 2: through the court. Was also revealed today that a man
Speaker 2: who was arrested last week over an anti Semitic attack
Speaker 2: in Willara two months ago is the son of former
Speaker 2: National Comicicero's boss Mick Harwie. He was assassinated in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that will raise questions about whether gangs
Speaker 2: have been involved in any of these attacks. But you
Speaker 2: have to juxtapose that that we're actually getting somewhere in
Speaker 2: soul some of these crimes with the window dressing performance
Speaker 2: from the federal government. This week, Alban Eazy cave to
Speaker 2: pressure and had that National Cabinet meeting on anti Semitism.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I mean he might as well have not held
Speaker 4: it at all.
Speaker 2: Basically nothing came out of it apart from a statement
Speaker 2: saying that they unequivocally condemn anti Semitism and reaffirmed to
Speaker 2: stamp it out in Australia. Extraordinary could have told us
Speaker 2: that without a meeting, could you? And of course they
Speaker 2: agreed to establish a data base to track anti Semitic crime.
Speaker 2: How scary is that we can look it up on
Speaker 2: a computer that'll really help us out? Joining me now
Speaker 2: is Liberal Julian Lisa Julian, I just well, I'm going
Speaker 2: to say I can't get over it. I think I
Speaker 2: can get over it because I rather expected this kind
Speaker 2: of performance, because if you go back to when we
Speaker 2: were first told we were going to have an anti
Speaker 2: Semitism envoy, we also got an Islamophobia envoy with that.
Speaker 2: At the same time, there have been calls for a
Speaker 2: National Cabinet meeting four months from Peter Dutton. He finally
Speaker 2: held and I think my fears were confirmed that there.
Speaker 4: Was a waste of time.
Speaker 2: Nothing came out of that meeting as I expected, because
Speaker 2: they didn't go into that meeting actually wanting to come
Speaker 2: out with any real answers.
Speaker 4: Well, it didn't have to be this way.
Speaker 5: The acting Premier of Tasmania, Guy Barnett, has posted on
Speaker 5: social media that he took to National Cabinet tougher laws,
Speaker 5: harsher penalties, including mandatory minimums, and I think the Prime
Speaker 5: Minister and all the state premiers and the chief ministers
Speaker 5: need to be held to account for that. There were
Speaker 5: things on the table bought by the acting Premier of Tasmania,
Speaker 5: which would have been a proper result out of national cabinet,
Speaker 5: a result we would have expected. But this was a
Speaker 5: prime minister who never wanted to hold a national cabinet
Speaker 5: meeting in the first place. You know, it took a
Speaker 5: synagogue fire bombing to get him to establish the AFP
Speaker 5: operation Avaalite. It took the far bombing of a childcare
Speaker 5: center to get into establish a national cabinet meeting, despite
Speaker 5: the fact his own anti semitism en had called for this.
Speaker 5: Everything that this minister has done, everything that this government
Speaker 5: has done, has been thoroughly disappointing and hasn't taken the
Speaker 5: issue seriously. This is not a prime minister doing all
Speaker 5: he can to stop anti Semitism in this country.
Speaker 2: Well, you were up in Brisbane today giving a speech
Speaker 2: on exactly this, and I believe you spoke about the
Speaker 2: decision to preference the Greens and take preferences from the
Speaker 2: Greens as well. I mean at every turn, and we've
Speaker 2: been talking about this a lot recently. Of course, it's
Speaker 2: not as though the Prime Minister goes out and directly
Speaker 2: tells people to go on a tax synagogues, et cetera.
Speaker 2: But what he has done is created a culture by
Speaker 2: not standing up, that makes people feel comfortable.
Speaker 4: To do that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: In Australia, it would have been such a simple act
Speaker 2: of leadership that could have happened fifteen months ago and
Speaker 2: at many points since then, that didn't require a lot
Speaker 2: of effort.
Speaker 4: Really, that could have avoided a lot of hurt.
Speaker 5: Have you listened to the very different language between the
Speaker 5: Prime Minister and Chris Min's the Premier of New South Wales.
Speaker 5: Now you know what's happened in New South Wales has
Speaker 5: been far from perfect, but you know chri's Mens's hard
Speaker 5: is in the right place and you know that he
Speaker 5: sees very clearly the moral clarity with which anti Semitism
Speaker 5: needs to be tackled, and that these are things that
Speaker 5: you've got to throw the book at, and you've got
Speaker 5: to throw the book at early. I often think that
Speaker 5: running a country is rather like running a family. What
Speaker 5: do they tell you about young kids. Young kids crave boundaries.
Speaker 5: They want their parents to put the boundaries in and
Speaker 5: to enforce them. Societies need leaders to set boundaries and
Speaker 5: enforce them, and that's not what the Prime Minister did,
Speaker 5: and that's partly why we're in the mess we're in today.
Speaker 2: How much has that come down to, do you think
Speaker 2: the fact that he is trying to pander to potential
Speaker 2: Greens voters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the Prime Minister is wedged on these issues.
Speaker 5: I think he is very conscious of the fact that
Speaker 5: there are Greens voters in inner city labor seats, that
Speaker 5: the Greens are eating his lunch, and so he hasn't
Speaker 5: been as strong and clear as he's needed to on
Speaker 5: this and I think that's a tragedy for the country.
Speaker 5: I think you need leadership where people are very clear
Speaker 5: about what is right and what is wrong. And the
Speaker 5: contrast between the Prime Minister and Peter Dutton on this
Speaker 5: point could not be clearer.
Speaker 2: And the other thing that came out of this National
Speaker 2: Cabinet meeting during the week was the AFP saying that
Speaker 2: they were investigating, as a line of inquiry whether there
Speaker 2: could have been foreign actors involved in any of these
Speaker 2: anti Semitic attacks, suggesting that perhaps people had been paid
Speaker 2: by foreign actors to go and commit these crimes. Now,
Speaker 2: that was simply the AFP saying they were looking at it,
Speaker 2: that they didn't necessarily have any evidence of that.
Speaker 4: Yet it was just.
Speaker 2: A line of inquiry. The States weren't aware of that
Speaker 2: line of inquiry. The Prime Minister then took that and
Speaker 2: repeated it almost as though it were facts, saying, well,
Speaker 2: we've got to be serious about why some of these
Speaker 2: things are happening, and it would appear it is happening
Speaker 2: because people are being paid by foreign actors. What the
Speaker 2: AFP said and what the Prime Minister said are two
Speaker 2: very different things.
Speaker 5: Because if you put the Prime minister spin on it,
Speaker 5: the government is not culpable for what's happened. And I
Speaker 5: think you know, if this is domestic terrorism, it is
Speaker 5: the government that is responsible for the failures to actually
Speaker 5: deal with these things in a strong manner. But if
Speaker 5: it's a foreign actor, the government is also culpable because
Speaker 5: we should be seeing you, at the very least, ambassadors
Speaker 5: and diplomats being expelled from this country if there are
Speaker 5: foreign governments involved in this, and perhaps even other activities too.
Speaker 2: Indeed, I mean it would not be surprising the idea
Speaker 2: potentially that there were foreign actors involved, because of course
Speaker 2: the idea is to sew division in Australia, and that
Speaker 2: is what has been allowed to prosper and it benefits
Speaker 2: other countries potentially to sow division in places like the West.
Speaker 2: The same as these protests very quickly that will be
Speaker 2: happening on the weekend on Australia Day, I mean pro
Speaker 2: Palestinian protesters marching down in Melbourne and potentially in Sydney
Speaker 2: as well. They pick Australia Day to do that because
Speaker 2: they're not just protesting about war. They're protesting about broader
Speaker 2: Western values.
Speaker 5: That's absolutely right, and I think each time they do
Speaker 5: that they lose more and more support because Australians look
Speaker 5: at this and say, why are these people importing a
Speaker 5: foreign conflict into our streets. I think most Australians want
Speaker 5: their city streets back.
Speaker 11: These people have.
Speaker 5: Made their point, They've been making the same point, and
Speaker 5: they've been making it in a violent and destructive manner
Speaker 5: for the last fifteen months. And I contrast them with
Speaker 5: the wonderful Ukrainian community who is always asking the government
Speaker 5: to do more, but never results to this sort of thing.
Speaker 5: It's wonderful gatherings, it's music, it's talks, it's people are
Speaker 5: on the ground, never any of this sort of behavior.
Speaker 5: The contrast couldn't be starker.
Speaker 2: And of course there's a cease fin now, which is
Speaker 2: what they ask for all along.
Speaker 4: And they're still.
Speaker 2: Protesting, which I think goes to what they're really going
Speaker 2: on about killing Lisa. Thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 4: Thanks Caleb, still to come.
Speaker 2: Three days to go until Australian Days. I was just
Speaker 2: talking about the career protesters and the Wope pubs.
Speaker 4: They're up to old tricks.
Speaker 2: I'll speak to a fed up Warren Mundine later in
Speaker 2: the program, but first, Queensland government workers are tasked with
Speaker 2: saving the state's energy grid by closing the blinds and
Speaker 2: turning off the air as they race for a forty
Speaker 2: plus degree day in summer.
Speaker 4: Shocking, isn't it. That's with my panel.
Speaker 2: Next, let's bring in my second panel of the evening.
Speaker 2: National Senate leader Bridget Mackenzie and scar News contributor Joe Hildebrand,
Speaker 2: who joins me here on the desk.
Speaker 4: And this is interesting.
Speaker 2: This is interesting Joe, because you're filling in for me
Speaker 2: tonight on the lake because I'm filling in for Showery.
Speaker 2: So I thought i'd better get you on to pretend
Speaker 2: to be me while I fill in.
Speaker 11: You are actually interviewing yourself. Correct, it's like a reception.
Speaker 4: I don't know I necessarily wanted me.
Speaker 11: Maybe we're all just living in someone else's dream.
Speaker 2: I have wondered at certain points whether we are living
Speaker 2: in a simulation, particularly on Monday when everything my clothes
Speaker 2: dryer broke, the front bumper fell off my car, like.
Speaker 4: It would all happen.
Speaker 11: That is like every second day.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 2: If you know if it's a simulation, please let me know,
Speaker 2: because I'd like to have a bet on it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: Trump hasn't wasted any.
Speaker 4: Time getting on with the job.
Speaker 2: We saw him sign all those executive or orders the
Speaker 2: other and the deportations have begun. They've already risted hundreds
Speaker 2: of illegal immigrants. This is Trump's borders are Tom Homan
Speaker 2: on Fox News. He's an actual borders are this one
Speaker 2: Unlike Kamala Harris.
Speaker 12: In the last twenty four hours, rusted over three hundred
Speaker 12: and eight, three hundred and eight serious criminals. Some of
Speaker 12: them were murderers, some of them were rapers, some of
Speaker 12: them reaped a child, some were a sexual soul of
Speaker 12: a child. So I says, doing their job, and they're
Speaker 12: prioritizing just as the President said they would, so I says,
Speaker 12: performing excellent right now out in the field, and they're
Speaker 12: going to continue every day.
Speaker 1: Bridgid.
Speaker 2: It's amazing watching actual political leadership play out in the
Speaker 2: Western world.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Calob, I think Americans who voted for Trump will
Speaker 13: be very, very happy that he's delivering so quickly on
Speaker 13: his promises. He's spent that time between the election and
Speaker 13: the inauguration well, clearly has strong plans for implementation for
Speaker 13: his election and promises. And I think that's also going
Speaker 13: to go some way to re establishing trust with the
Speaker 13: electric more broadly, when you actually have leaders who mean
Speaker 13: what they say and then do what they say they're
Speaker 13: going to do, it's not rocket science.
Speaker 1: No, indeed.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that I don't get Joe
Speaker 2: about why left wing governments can't wrestle with very simple
Speaker 2: concepts such as we don't want child rapists illegally in
Speaker 2: our countries.
Speaker 4: And I get that.
Speaker 2: You know, the Baden administration probably thought that Democrats would
Speaker 2: eventually benefit from people pouring over the border and then
Speaker 2: one day becoming a citizen because who were they going
Speaker 2: to vote for? Accept the Democrats?
Speaker 4: But it didn't work.
Speaker 1: No, that's right.
Speaker 11: I mean, for one thing, I mean, the biggest mistake
Speaker 11: the Biden administration made was simply just leaving Trump's leaving
Speaker 11: Trump's policies in place and then pretending you're being far nice.
Speaker 11: I mean, that would have been a smart thing to do,
Speaker 11: and said they actually unwound them and created this giant
Speaker 11: nightmare for themselves. I don't know what else they thought
Speaker 11: would be coming. And that is true, it is not.
Speaker 11: And there are a lot of people in the Labor
Speaker 11: Party who I talk to all the time who are
Speaker 11: just beside themselves about why people on the looney left
Speaker 11: think that it's humane to incentivize a death race over
Speaker 11: the high Seas to come to Australia and if you survive,
Speaker 11: you make it like it's sort of like a kind
Speaker 11: of macabre TV reality show. Likewise, you are if you
Speaker 11: are going to have a generous and humane immigration policy
Speaker 11: and a humanitarian immigration policy, which the US kind.
Speaker 4: Of doesn't really have much at all.
Speaker 11: Australia does much better. But you need to be able
Speaker 11: to control your borders and you need to be able
Speaker 11: to say, yes, you're good, come in, we're going to
Speaker 11: give you shelter and know you're a child abuser, get
Speaker 11: the hell out. And the other smart thing, of course,
Speaker 11: that Trump is doing is doing this all with such fanfare,
Speaker 11: literally on day one, so that all of his constituents,
Speaker 11: all his voters can see, oh my god. You know,
Speaker 11: it's almost like it's changed overnight. And whatever happens in
Speaker 11: the future, and there will undoubtedly be complications, but people
Speaker 11: will remember that Trump did this on day one.
Speaker 6: Thing.
Speaker 11: Yes, he got tough on the board. So it's good
Speaker 11: politics and it's it's probably good policy as well.
Speaker 2: It's just straight forward stuff because we will have our
Speaker 2: own migration part of some description here when it comes
Speaker 2: to the federal election, except that one will be over
Speaker 2: legal migration. But it will be an issue.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: Shock horror, it's summer. It's hot in Queensland. I mean,
Speaker 2: next thing you'll find out that I drink too much
Speaker 2: read and I don't think it's the first time that
Speaker 2: this has happened. But their energy supplies are so dire
Speaker 2: that the government workers, the public servants are being asked
Speaker 2: to cut back on electricity to help prevent power outages.
Speaker 2: They've been told to turn off the second computer screen.
Speaker 11: Service.
Speaker 2: They'll have to draw all the blinds as if they
Speaker 2: weren't already doing that, so no one could see that
Speaker 2: they weren't doing any work. They'll only be able to
Speaker 2: have one printer in each office turned on and tear.
Speaker 11: Down the air cons so they have to take off
Speaker 11: their cardigans.
Speaker 4: It is just ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Me. Queensland is a tropical state, bridge it gets hot
Speaker 2: in summer. This is not a new concept. If they
Speaker 2: cannot handle a forty degree day without public servants being
Speaker 2: told to do less work, less than they're already doing,
Speaker 2: to try and make the state not go into a blackout.
Speaker 2: I know we have these examples every summer now, but
Speaker 2: they keep happening every summer and we don't seem to
Speaker 2: do anything about it.
Speaker 4: That's the scariest bit.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Caleb, I think fragility of public servants and their
Speaker 13: productivity aside. I think the essential issue is just the
Speaker 13: fragility of our electricity grid and energy security.
Speaker 2: Whether it is in.
Speaker 13: The depths of a Queensland summer or the frigidity of
Speaker 13: a Melbourne winter. The fact that our electricity grid and
Speaker 13: energy security is so fragile at the moment is a
Speaker 13: grave concern.
Speaker 4: It's not just in Queensland.
Speaker 13: We heard the wa Premiere today say that blackouts are
Speaker 13: just part of the transition. And you've got a story
Speaker 13: in the OS tomorrow around the South Australian locking in
Speaker 13: two diesel generators to secure their own energy supply going forward.
Speaker 13: So this is actually a result of state and federal
Speaker 13: government under labor governments, pursuit of one hundred percent renewable
Speaker 13: without actually having a generator of reliable, affordable base load
Speaker 13: going into the grid. So if you're going to remove
Speaker 13: the coal, you've got to replace it with something that's
Speaker 13: going to keep the air conditioners on, the computers going,
Speaker 13: our refrigerators running, etc. We're a modern industrialized country and
Speaker 13: that means we need to have a reliable.
Speaker 4: And affordable energy supply.
Speaker 13: It's one oh one and unfortunately, under state and federal
Speaker 13: labor governments energy policies, that's not happening and it's going
Speaker 13: to be our citizens that feel the consequences.
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned South Australian, it's diesel. I always love
Speaker 2: when this happens. You know, it's the renewable energy is unreliable.
Speaker 2: So we've got the environmentally friendly way to deal with
Speaker 2: that diesel. And now I want to get your thoughts
Speaker 2: on this quickly, Joe. Children in Victoria are going to
Speaker 2: be taught in schools now as young as ten years
Speaker 2: old about the dangers of vaping, because apparently this is
Speaker 2: the sort of age at which kids are starting to
Speaker 2: pick up vaping. And I know, once upon a time
Speaker 2: it would have been a cigarette behind the bike shed.
Speaker 4: We've sort of got the new version of that that
Speaker 4: is vaping.
Speaker 2: But I find it hilarious that governments, both state and federal,
Speaker 2: that could have treated it in the same way as
Speaker 2: smoking and had a regulated legal market that would have
Speaker 2: stopped all these dodgy people selling them to kids in
Speaker 2: corner shops.
Speaker 4: They couldn't do that.
Speaker 2: They had to make it illegal, and now they're having
Speaker 2: to bring in programs to deal with the problem that
Speaker 2: they caused.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I've got to say I agree with that. I
Speaker 11: am a reform smoker and i quit via vaping and
Speaker 11: I'm now for legit. I've got all my paperwork and
Speaker 11: my little prescription and everything, and it was heavily is
Speaker 11: to get. But it could have very easily. It's very
Speaker 11: boring to tell you what, kids, it's not anything I
Speaker 11: do is not cool, so just don't do it. But
Speaker 11: but yeah, it is it is nonetheless a real problem
Speaker 11: in schools, and I think that is the kind of
Speaker 11: problem when you have you have something that's sort of
Speaker 11: illegal for everybody. Well, there's no incentive for the retailer
Speaker 11: to abide by the rules, and so you have them
Speaker 11: selling vapes can't launch. Everyone knows you can get them,
Speaker 11: and where you can get them. I've never gotten from
Speaker 11: a corner store, but you know, I'm told that it's
Speaker 11: incredibly easy and you can see it. And whereas you know,
Speaker 11: you don't have that problem with alcohol, which is very
Speaker 11: heavily regulated, and the retailers know that they can make
Speaker 11: their money, but they also know that their neck is
Speaker 11: on the line if they're caught selling it to minors.
Speaker 11: So to a certain extent, they regulate themselves, and the
Speaker 11: industry regulates itself and that and that's sort of where
Speaker 11: the government kind of in a funny way, ended up
Speaker 11: getting to anyway, after the Greens of all people said no,
Speaker 11: you shouldn't have done but it should just be sold
Speaker 11: in chemists anyway, But it is very it is very
Speaker 11: much a problem. My own kids get told at primary
Speaker 11: school about the dangers of vaping. I went to a
Speaker 11: high school in western Sydney where the principal an awesome guy,
Speaker 11: fantastic bloke, big fan of mine obviously, but he had
Speaker 11: to install vape detectors in the toilets. Yeah, because there
Speaker 11: were so many kids vaping in the toilets that other
Speaker 11: kids were actually refusing to go to the toilet at
Speaker 11: all during the school days because they didn't want to
Speaker 11: go in there, and inhale all the staff for you know,
Speaker 11: I have other people around, so it is very much
Speaker 11: a difficult problem at one and I.
Speaker 2: Reckon there are regulatory ways they could have dealt with
Speaker 2: that before.
Speaker 11: It device and that's it, and that's how, and they refuse.
Speaker 4: To do it.
Speaker 2: And here we are now, Bridget Joe, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for your time tonight.
Speaker 4: Now, don't go anywhere.
Speaker 2: Indigenous leader Warren Mundine is going to rip into the
Speaker 2: all of the Invasion day hysteria as they call it,
Speaker 2: in just a moment. Don't go away.
Speaker 4: Now, you'll remember.
Speaker 2: In December, Hong Kong owned pub group Australian Venue Co
Speaker 2: backflipped on its decision to boycott the Celebrations of Australia
Speaker 2: Date more than two hundred of its pubs following a
Speaker 2: public backlash Well, now they've backflipped on the backflip, which
Speaker 2: I can't imagine is terribly good for ones back calling
Speaker 2: January twenty sixth just a long weekend, Indigenous leader Warren
Speaker 2: Mundine joins me. Now, Warren, you'd think they would have
Speaker 2: learnt their lesson the first time round, didn't they See
Speaker 2: what happened to Woolworth's last year.
Speaker 14: Look, I just can't believe it, you know, you know,
Speaker 14: they just got to punch in the naise and so
Speaker 14: they're going to stick their head up and get punched
Speaker 14: in the naise again. Look, I'm getting sick, like all Australians,
Speaker 14: I'm getting sick and tired of people telling us what
Speaker 14: we should celebrate and what we shouldn't celebrate, and we
Speaker 14: should be celebrating Australia. And I'm on public record as saying,
Speaker 14: you know, I wanted to move the date so we
Speaker 14: could all celebrate together. But what are in the last
Speaker 14: twelve months I've realized is that these people don't want
Speaker 14: to celebrate Australia. It could be any day of the year,
Speaker 14: any day of the month, and they're not going to
Speaker 14: celebrate it. In fact, they're going to talk, They're going
Speaker 14: to they just hate Australia. They just hate Australia. And
Speaker 14: I sit there and go, well, buggy is you know,
Speaker 14: We've got a lot to celebrate in Australia. And it's
Speaker 14: not about Arfur Philip or Captain Cork or anything like that,
Speaker 14: even though they play a role in it. It's about us.
Speaker 14: In the last sixty seventy years, we have taken this
Speaker 14: country into an incredible, you know, amazing country. You know,
Speaker 14: we're overcoming our history. But you know, you know, fifty
Speaker 14: percent of Australia, over fifty percent of Australia now owned
Speaker 14: by Aboriginal people. Isn't that something to celebrate? You know,
Speaker 14: we in Mensies in sixty two gave Aboriginal people full
Speaker 14: voting rights. Isn't that something to celebrate? In sixty seven
Speaker 14: the referendum, even though we were British subjects and Australian citizens,
Speaker 14: we were treated by the States and territories the second class.
Speaker 14: That referendum got rid of all the race laws in Australia.
Speaker 14: You know, isn't that's something to celebrate. All the migrants
Speaker 14: who have come to Australia post Second World War, escaping
Speaker 14: wars and oppression and bigotry and everything. They come to
Speaker 14: Australia and build an economic future for themselves and their
Speaker 14: children and grandchildren. Isn't that something they celebrate? You know,
Speaker 14: We've got so much to celebrate here, and yet these
Speaker 14: people just want to hate.
Speaker 2: And the point you made then about, you know, the
Speaker 2: fact that you could change the date and it's not
Speaker 2: going to change their point of view. That is the
Speaker 2: point now, and it's the reason that you'll have these
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian protesters join with the anti Australia Day protesters
Speaker 2: on Sunday in Melbourne to go after Australia Day, because
Speaker 2: it's not about the date. It's not about January twenty six,
Speaker 2: it's not about even colonization as a concept.
Speaker 4: It's about Australia.
Speaker 2: They do not like that Australia exists as the country
Speaker 2: that it is, and you could change the date to
Speaker 2: anything and it's not going to change what their fundamental
Speaker 2: problem is. And that is an issue with the West
Speaker 2: and Western values.
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the.
Speaker 14: Things I love about free speech is that people actually
Speaker 14: then out themselves. What are the pro Palestinians having to
Speaker 14: do with protesting against Australia Day, You know, for God's sake.
Speaker 14: You think there's enough trouble in Gaza and other places
Speaker 14: around the Middle East for them to protest about.
Speaker 1: But about having.
Speaker 14: To get their stick there, you know, the little finger
Speaker 14: into what's happening in Australia. Look, the whole thing is
Speaker 14: just a load of crap. Melbourne, you look at Melbourne
Speaker 14: are going to do protests and everything down that has
Speaker 14: become the Australian capital of protests. What we should be
Speaker 14: doing is bringing the country together. Bringing Look, you know,
Speaker 14: I went to school in Auburn, you know, in Sydney
Speaker 14: multicultural area, Turks, Lebanese, Maltese, Italians, everyone, Africans. Everyone was
Speaker 14: it in that commun you know, at the school with
Speaker 14: thirty nine kids in my class and thirty nine different
Speaker 14: nationalities in my class, you know, And you know, yes
Speaker 14: now and again we had a bit of a punch
Speaker 14: up in the school yard, but we all become mates.
Speaker 14: Here we are thirty years later, and I visit them
Speaker 14: in Brisbane and Canberra and Adelaide and every other place
Speaker 14: where they moved to and that, and we're still mates today.
Speaker 14: And that should be celebrated. You know, there's a lot
Speaker 14: of things we should be celebrating and saying, what a
Speaker 14: wonderful country. If we're such a bad country, why are
Speaker 14: people risking their lives to get on rickety boats to
Speaker 14: come here? And why do millions of people want to
Speaker 14: come and live here? Is because we got we've got
Speaker 14: multicultural Australia, we've got multi ethnic groups, we've got multi
Speaker 14: faith boots, we've got even atheists. You know, we love
Speaker 14: our atheists. And we're all here working together to make
Speaker 14: this country a better country.
Speaker 1: And that's what we.
Speaker 14: Should be celebrating. You know, we're the most one of
Speaker 14: the most liberal democracies with individual freedoms.
Speaker 11: And liberties and that and opportunities.
Speaker 14: We should be celebrating that. And and you know, these people.
Speaker 2: You know, very sorry, we've we've run out of time.
Speaker 2: I've got to go to Paul, but you're one hundred
Speaker 2: percent right, and thank you so much for joining me tonight.
Speaker 2: And on that note, it's time for me to go.
Speaker 2: Here is Paul in the man Cove