WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 6 February 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:00.440 Lately. 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:04.960 Welcome to the Late pay. 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:06.920 Well. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:08.480 Thanks for joining us on a Thursday night. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:11.800 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Thorer and Caleb Bond coming up. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:14.720 You know how local governments are always banging on about 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.880 health and safety. You won't believe what one Sydney council 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:20.560 has put smack bang in the middle of footpaths. Will 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.000 show you that a little later. Plus, when we look 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:26.160 at the papers, should police have the power to monitor 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:30.480 the phones of domestic violence offenders? And the act government 0:00:30.520 --> 0:00:33.280 has blown its budget. What's new in this country. But 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.960 you'll be shocked by just how much they've blown the budget. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.640 It's quite staggering. We'll get to all of that when 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.800 we look at tomorrow's news. But first now, I've always 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:44.880 thought the best way to stop racism is to stop 0:00:44.960 --> 0:00:49.120 talking about race. I've got a couple of African sons 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.279 and I always say to them, while we honor your 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.000 African heritage, to be honest, that's the least important or 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:58.920 least interesting part of you. Far more interesting is your personality, 0:00:58.960 --> 0:01:02.840 your gifts, your talent, your character. And it's true you've 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.960 got an African heritage, but it's not that important. It's incidental, 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:11.360 not essential to who you are as a person. So 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:15.440 it always surprises me when authorities in this country say 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.040 the only way we can unite people is by continually 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:24.480 dividing everybody according to ethnicity. One Sydney council in a 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:27.839 West has decided they've got to fight the scourge of racism. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.360 So they've decided to fight racism by spending two hundred 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.520 and eighty thousand dollars focusing everybody on racial differences. The 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:40.720 Inner West Council has developed the first ever anti racism 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.840 strategy by a new South Wales council. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.280 Here's what it entails. 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.600 Tell me how this builds unity amongst people in the community. 0:01:49.960 --> 0:01:53.000 The key features of the strategy include investing one hundred 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:57.120 and twenty thousand dollars toward an evidence based, bespoke anti 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.680 racism training program to be developed over two years with 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.080 Western Sydney University. Let me pause for a moment just there, 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:05.760 or come back to the rest of it in a second. 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.680 What they're going to do is they're going to spend 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:11.440 two years developing a training course that they're then going 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:14.840 to run through with hundreds of people in the Inner West, 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:19.160 teaching them to spot racism and then to intervene when 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:21.480 and if they see it. I got to tell you, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.359 when you see racism, you know it when my kids 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.520 are playing on the football field and someone calls them 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:29.160 a black so and so. In that instant, all of 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.960 their teammates are right beside them having a go at 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.000 whoever made the comment. Because when you see racism, it's 0:02:35.040 --> 0:02:38.520 pretty obvious. You don't need a training course that's taken 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:41.760 two years to develop for you to know what racism is, 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:46.240 unless you're looking for microaggressions, in which case you're teaching 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.280 colored people to be hyper sensitive and you're teaching everybody 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:50.720 else to walk on eggshells. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.560 It's rubbish. They shouldn't be doing this. It goes on 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:53.919 to say. 0:02:53.960 --> 0:02:58.680 Another key aspect is fifty thousand dollars annually allocated toward 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:02.760 artists and community leaders from diverse backgrounds to showcase and 0:03:02.800 --> 0:03:08.000 develop their cultures. Other funding commitments include fifteen thousand dollars 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:12.160 towards identifying and alleviating the cultural load of Aboriginal and 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:16.880 torrestrate under staff, with the same amount allocated towards commemorating 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:21.520 the International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination on 0:03:21.680 --> 0:03:24.960 March twenty first, but doesn't stop there. The Council are 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:29.600 going to erect thirty racism not Welcome signs around the 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.440 Inner West, as though somehow a racist will see the 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.280 sign and then think, oh, I'm not allowed to be 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.040 a racist here. I'll have to go somewhere where the 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.760 sign does not exist. They're going to erect three Aboriginal 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:45.080 survival monuments to create cultural safe spaces, in other words, 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:47.920 to try to bring us all together. They're going to 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:52.280 spend rate payer money dividing, dividing, dividing. If you want 0:03:52.280 --> 0:03:54.760 to unite the country, a much better way would be 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:56.880 to take the two hundred and eighty thousand dollars and 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.120 spend it on Australia Day, put on a massive barbecue 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:02.760 and invite everybody from the community, no matter what the 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.840 color of your skin or what your ethnic background. They 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:10.720 put this anti racism strategy online to get feedback from 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.960 the community, and wouldn't you know it, forty percent of 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.400 the community said they liked it. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:16.800 The rest didn't like it. 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.239 So even the anti racism strategy divine to bring everybody together, 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:24.920 has divided the community. We have this thing called a 0:04:25.040 --> 0:04:29.360 national anthem. It's not very popular among anti racists, but 0:04:29.440 --> 0:04:31.680 maybe they should take notice of it. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:32.840 It begins Australians. 0:04:33.200 --> 0:04:35.880 That would be a good place to focus on Australians. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.479 All that's pretty good. Let us rejoice for we are 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.919 one and free. If you want an anti racism strategy, 0:04:44.279 --> 0:04:46.479 I reckon that's about as far as you need to go. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:48.480 And that's about all you need to know. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.960 This attitude that to bring us together, they've got to 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:57.320 keep dividing us up, Liz, is absolute rubbish and entirely counterproductive. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.680 They wonder why we've got social cohesion problems because even 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.680 in trying to solve the problem, they. 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:03.159 Make it worse. 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.360 Well, it creates way more resentment. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:10.119 Who enjoys going to these workshops in their workplaces? In UNI, 0:05:10.200 --> 0:05:12.760 you get a module being like you must complete this 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:16.000 module along with all the sexual harassment. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.400 And don't do this and don't do that type stuff. Nobody. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.839 Maybe go ahead with the sexual harassment stuff if you 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.520 find that's the problem on your campus. But in terms 0:05:25.640 --> 0:05:29.480 of race, they are making this a thing, and what 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:34.200 it creates is resentment. I've heard it said several times before, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.400 and I'm genuinely starting to believe it's true that the 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.800 coming generations, and indeed those already born are going to 0:05:40.839 --> 0:05:44.440 be way more racist than their grandparents ever were. Because 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.600 notice in the West, as our countries have been flooded 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:51.680 with people from different parts of the world, that is 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.039 when all this anti racism you can't be racist, you 0:05:55.080 --> 0:06:00.359 can't be racist, has started being pummeled into the indigenous populations, 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:06.760 whether you're talking the UK, America, Canada, Australia, because they 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.760 know that by creating a melting pot of cultures, people. 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:12.479 Are going to start noticing other. 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:18.440 People's differences and all that's racism. You can't even acknowledge difference. 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:22.640 Nowadays it's considered racism. Once upon a time, we used 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.440 to laugh at each other's differences and get along just fine. 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:27.600 You know. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.360 We'd be like, oh, these are the wogs, these are 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.760 the greats, these are the winging ponds. 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:34.799 Nobody cared. 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:39.120 Nowadays we've lost that, like, oh, let's all just get along. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:44.000 And it's due to a lot of these kinds of initiatives. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.720 It's the if you push someone far enough, they will 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.960 eventually revolt against you, which is basically what we saw 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:52.520 with the Voice to Parliament, right. I mean, you went 0:06:52.680 --> 0:06:56.000 with a piece of policy that was originally about sixty 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:59.680 forty in support and ended up being roughly sixty forty 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.320 again against it because people were lectured all the time, oh, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.160 you're racist if you don't support this, and people start 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.200 to go, well, if you're telling me I'm racist because 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.600 I'm even questioning the validity of this thing, then I'll 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.520 vote no because I'll do what you're telling me not 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.720 to do, which is essentially what you're suggesting happens here. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.640 And I think that's correct. You mentioned the national anthem. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.280 I think the second verse isn't. It goes on to 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:25.160 say for those who come from foreign lands have boundless 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:27.840 planes to share. So we've already ticked that one off. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:31.080 But as someone who lives in the Inner West Council 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.400 and has for the entire time I've lived in city, No, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.280 I did not vote in this poll because I wasn't 0:07:37.280 --> 0:07:40.120 to where it existed, just like ninety nine point nine 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:41.480 nine percent of other people in. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:42.320 The inn A West Council. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.760 But as someone who's lived there the entirety of my time, 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.280 I've been in Sydney and it's a place that is 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:51.400 very left wing. Our state member, the member for Balmain, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.760 is a Green. The federal member. Depending on where you 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.840 are in the council is Anthony Albanizi your tenure pliver six. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.840 So we know how people think in the Inner West. 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:04.520 I'm just glad that the Inner West Council has now 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.400 admitted that the people of the Inner West are racist, 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.840 because if the people of the Inner West were racist, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.440 you wouldn't need to be training them to be anti racist, 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:14.840 would you. 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:16.040 And of course I'm in my. 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.000 Local booth where I lived before. I've moved suburbs, but 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:21.160 I'm just up the road from where I was my 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:24.840 local booth during the Voice, I think voted seventy percent 0:08:25.120 --> 0:08:27.680 in favor of the Voice. So I think we're probably 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.360 quite right to say that there are a bunch of racists. 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:33.000 In You could be chosen, Caleb for some of this 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:35.520 bespoke anti racist in training. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:37.720 Well, they would think I need it because I voted 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.079 against the Voice. I would say they need it because 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:43.720 they voted for the Voice. While we're talking about racism 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.640 and such things. You might have seen today, though perhaps 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.480 not because it didn't actually receive a great deal of coverage, 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:53.320 but new hate speech laws passed through the Federal Parliament. 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:58.280 Now this happened with barely an hour's discussion in the Senate. 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:00.960 It started in the Lower House, yes that I passed there, 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:02.959 then went through to the Senate today where it was 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.360 eventually passed. So this will now become law. Now there 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.280 are certain parts of it with which I agree and 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.840 others with which I am really worried. It means that 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.280 there will be mandatory minimum sentences of six years for 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.880 terror offenses, three years for financing terror and twelve months 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.040 for displaying terror symbols. But it then goes on to 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:28.439 talk about inciting violence essentially, and the means by which 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:32.120 someone incites violence and the rules by which you have 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:34.959 to meet if you are in court being accused of 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:35.880 inciting violence. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.600 Now they have watered this down to the point where 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:41.839 you would question whether the things you. 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:47.120 Might just say in a normal conversation joking halfheartedly could 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.520 essentially now be called inciting violence here in Australia. If 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.120 you go to the Criminal Code, what they've changed is 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:58.400 in section eighty point two A. Now it previously said 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.160 that a person can it's an offense if the first. 0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:03.760 Person, which is how they refer to it in the. 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:09.920 Act, intentionally urges. Remember that intentionally urges another person or 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:13.880 a group to use force or violence against a group. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:20.040 That has now changed from intentionally urges to advocates, right, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.360 so there doesn't necessarily have to be intention anymore. The 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:27.719 wording changes to advocate to water it down. You then 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:30.280 get to the next bit, which says that the person 0:10:30.440 --> 0:10:35.400 does so intending that the force or violence will occur. Ie, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:38.880 you say kill this bunch of people, et cetera, et cetera, 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:42.640 because you want people to do that. That now changes 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:47.320 from intending that it will happen to reckless as to 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:52.319 whether it will happen. So you could say something perhaps jokingly, 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.880 not meaning that it will happen, but if. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.480 You are reckless to the fact that it could. 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.960 Happen, you have by the law now in violence and 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:03.880 the groups that we are talking about have also expanded. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.520 It used to be race, religion, nationality, national or ethnic origin, 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.120 or political opinion, will now they insert into that sex, 0:11:11.559 --> 0:11:16.840 sexual orientation, gender identity, into sex status and disability. Now 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:18.880 we all know there has been a scourge of anti 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:21.920 Semitism in this country and we want something to be 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.000 done about it. But this is being used as a 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.240 vanguard to water down free speech and add in other 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:30.600 protected groups like the ones I just read out there 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:36.160 sex sexual orientation. Speaking of sexual orientation. A Llegras Vender 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.240 was talking about this legislation last night on seven point thirty. 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.719 Now she is talking here about a sign that was 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:43.600 held up at an the. 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:44.440 On Nazi rally. 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.320 As she says, but that's not really pertinent to the 0:11:47.360 --> 0:11:49.920 sign that was held up. She'll explain the sign she 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:51.600 thinks should be made illegal. 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:52.240 Take a listen. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.040 I support where the government is going with this legislation, 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.079 but I want to go further. And that is the 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.079 question I'm really trying to address, is those people who 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.040 are promoting and really pushing hate in our community. So 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:12.080 currently under the current legislation, things like some a neo 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:17.080 Nazi protests which had destroy pedo Freaks as a banner 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.120 that wouldn't be covered under the current legislation. 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:25.760 Out I want to destroy pedo freaks to be speech 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:30.400 that is now considered a crime in Australia. I understand 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.439 the idea that you know, basically no one has been 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.040 charged under hate speech laws, and I don't think that's 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.200 a problem with the law necessarily. I think that's been 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.920 an unwillingness for at least to try the laws out 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:43.679 I mean, we're fiddling with laws here without really knowing 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.280 the bounds of what can be done with them, because 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.360 they haven't actually been tested in court. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:51.080 So we jumped the shark and now say that if 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:56.360 you say something that is reckless or without reckless knowledge 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.280 of what might happen, you could be up on a defense. 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:02.160 I just wonder if, for instance, because sex is now included, right, 0:13:02.920 --> 0:13:06.320 Clementine Ford, a feminist commentative, any of you would know 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.400 used to quite frequently say kill all men. Now sex 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:14.680 is now a protected group under this legislation. You say 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.000 kill all men. She means it as a joke or 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:19.839 ironically when she says it. But is she saying that 0:13:20.679 --> 0:13:24.480 without reckless as to weather, someone might go and then 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:25.080 kill a man? 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:27.760 So does that mean that sentence. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:30.200 Which is from her a joke, is now a crime 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:30.959 in Australia. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:32.000 Is this where we've gone? 0:13:32.360 --> 0:13:35.040 So let's take that as a rhetorical question. Here's the 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:38.160 bigger problem we've got in this country. As you pointed out, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:42.160 the Senate took all of one hour to review this legislation, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:45.559 which is not exactly simple. It's quite complicated in some 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:49.360 of its detail. Our senators spent more time debating whether 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.720 or not Donald Trump is a threat to the world 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:56.120 than they did debating this legislation, which then has direct 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.480 impacts upon things you post on social media, things you 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:01.400 say to a mate over a beer at the pub, 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:07.120 something you say outside your church or whatever. And so 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.080 the Senate, which is meant to be a place of 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:14.640 reviewing legislation, saying is this good? What are the unintended consequences, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:18.160 has just become all about rubber stamping legislation according to 0:14:18.200 --> 0:14:22.760 which senator, which which party each senator belongs to. It's 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.640 quite derelict in their duty of our senators to wave 0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:29.560 through legislation which you've so brilliantly described, has got all 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:30.960 sorts of problems with it. 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:32.320 How do you interpret it? 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.960 What does it mean to wave it through without doing 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:35.760 due diligence? 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:38.760 And these things are never tested until it's before a court, 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.880 until someone brings the case, and then of course the 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:47.040 judge in control of that simply is held by the 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.040 bound and then you've got a precedent set because either 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.080 the judge said it applies or it doesn't apply. Hence 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.120 the case is build up, and then lawyers have precedents 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.920 to rely on. It's utterly insane. I've said it, be 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.000 all said again. I'm a free speech absolutist, I really am. 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.240 You can't have free speech without hay speech. You either 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:08.800 have both or neither. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.000 And as we know, anything. 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:14.040 That's even incitement, how do you measure incitement? Now that 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:17.400 they've taken intent out of it, one would think, because 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.080 that lowers the bar, intent is very hard to prove. 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:22.920 I can say I was joking, you can say I 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:25.960 was dead serious and my intent was to cause you 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:30.440 grievous bodily harm. Who's to say so They've removed that now, 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.160 and all that matters is that I said it, and 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:34.800 the rest is. 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:38.440 Up to the judge. I mean, it's just a can 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:39.280 of worms. 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:43.440 I genuinely find it disgusting that we have any of 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.920 these kinds of bills, well now laws in our country 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:51.440 at all. It does not belong in a free democracy. 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.200 And I know that that means O people will be 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:55.640 able to. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.280 Say very vile things. 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.440 But for centuries this has worked for us because people 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:07.000 say vile things and society rightly revials them. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:08.520 And you said that. 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:12.360 No one's been convicted for a hate speech crime in Australia. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.120 Well, I'm not aware of anything. This happened recently. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.560 Now there was the case of this absolutely stupid kid, 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:22.960 Jacob Parsons in Victoria just last year he was sentenced 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.520 for one month to jail for doing a siege hile. 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:30.640 So that takes it to even another level where you've 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.120 got this judge who said it was a. 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:34.920 Display of hate speech. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:39.600 Well, actually I could contend that this particular fellow had 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.600 actually said hate speech, but the case itself centered around 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:48.160 this Nazi salute that he'd done just weeks after Victoria 0:16:48.200 --> 0:16:50.400 had made it a crime to do so. And so 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:55.440 I don't think that got enough media attention because that 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.240 is definitely the first of its kind in Australia where 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.160 someone is doing jail time while his lawyers are appealing 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.440 because of a gesture. 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.080 So then looking at this kind of. 0:17:09.119 --> 0:17:12.879 Legislation, it's just an absolute cannib Wait this is and 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.960 once you start, you can't stop. 0:17:15.200 --> 0:17:17.800 We can point to one case, right, but there's been 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.560 plenty of other hate speech happening in Australia. Have any 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:22.199 of these cases been tried? 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:23.440 And that's the thing. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.320 How we say, does this capture the hate preacher? 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:30.160 How can we Kuran? 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.919 Can you now not quote that part of the Quran 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.480 as the man that we. 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:38.440 Played countless times. You probably remember him. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:41.520 I can't remember his exact name, because unfortunately there's too 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:42.160 many of them. 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:43.879 I can't remember which it was. 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:48.720 But he was reading from an Islamic script when he 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:53.520 was quoting, saying there's a Jewish person behind me, come 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:58.200 get him. Basically, will that be captured by this legislation 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:01.600 because we know that so far to our knowledge, no 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:02.960 one's been prosecuted. 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:04.040 And that's the point you made. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.520 They haven't tried to even use existing laws. Now they're 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:10.320 making new laws. And the other thing that gets me 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:12.760 about this is the premise for we need new laws 0:18:12.800 --> 0:18:16.159 is antisemitism. Right, But we heard the Victorian premier justinto 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.240 Allen's say the other night, you know, antiseism is really bad, 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.399 and then she said next breath, you need to be 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.520 able to love who you love, marry who you want 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:25.439 to marry, and pray to who you want to pray to. 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.560 So all of a sudden, antisemitism was thrown out, and 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:32.399 all we came about all these other identities that are 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:35.280 now protected, which makes you think, is it really about 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:39.240 dealing with antisemitism, or is antisemitism just a very convenient 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.080 crisis right now for people who want to limit free 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:44.440 speech to take action, and. 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.360 They don't seem to have taken into account at all. 0:18:46.520 --> 0:18:49.400 What say a case were to be bought against, say 0:18:49.520 --> 0:18:53.400 one of these hate preachers, then what of religious freedoms 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.000 and the laws around that? 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:58.399 So then you've got your own laws having a face 0:18:58.440 --> 0:18:59.520 off in court. 0:18:59.720 --> 0:19:02.800 God help whoever that judge turns out to be, because 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:04.600 I'm sure it's just a matter of time to the 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.320 States now where you may have heard of Politico. It's 0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:11.560 not that big here in Australia, but it is in America. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:16.399 And we've just found out why the Biden administration was 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:20.919 sending this media outlet during its tenure over twenty seven 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:23.359 million dollars. 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:24.920 What a rot? 0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:31.640 This isn't supposed to be a government funded media organization whatsoever. 0:19:32.240 --> 0:19:34.760 DOGE has found this out, but it was brought to 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:39.200 their attention when all of a sudden, when the USAID 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:43.399 payments were put on hold, because DOGE was going line 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:47.119 by line through every single expenditure saying, excuse me, what 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:47.720 is this? 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:52.480 For that week, Politico did not pay. 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:57.359 Its employees, and the employees even joked amongst themselves is 0:19:57.400 --> 0:20:00.240 this because USAID payment. 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.560 Have been frozen. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:06.160 Here's a tweet from Elon Musk when it was brought 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.800 to his attention that the Biden administration had at one 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:15.840 point paid half a million dollars for just thirty seven subscriptions. 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.640 And that graph you can see on your screen right 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:22.960 now is where their money came from over. 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:25.919 The course of the Biden administration. Look at all the 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:27.119 different departments. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:31.200 Biden really put his hand in the pocket for these guys, 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:34.199 and if you go over the years of media that 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.760 they pumped out during the Biden administration's term, you can 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.359 see that it was actually very well spent because Politico 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:46.440 made sure to absolutely give these guys a tongue bath 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:49.280 every single chance it got, whether it was. 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.960 Covering up Hunter Biden laptop. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.080 Story, all the fact that this was a presidency that 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.680 started with denying the Hunter Biden story even existed, much 0:20:59.760 --> 0:21:03.800 less had any credit to it, and ended with the 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:07.080 President hardening his son for the very thing that had 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:10.919 started out saying wasn't legitimate in the first place. So 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.679 a lot of questions have been asked, but here is 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:20.120 Press secretary, the White House Press Secretary, Carolyn Levitt telling 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:25.160 Politico to their face in the press conference room. Your 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:27.919 big payday, your big cash cow ends today. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.239