WEBVTT - #2077 Back On Deck - Patrick Bonello 0:00:00.440 --> 0:00:02.800 I get a team. It's Harps and Patrick, it's you project. 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:06.560 For the first time in twenty twenty six, we're back. 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:10.360 And to those of you who are thinking to yourselves self, 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:14.280 where is the answer to my question that Harps asked 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:18.200 me to write in the group, It's coming. I apologize. 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.320 I said, I'm going to do a Q and a 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:25.279 pod or two, which I'm doing. I've started. I just 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:27.680 got a bit caught up in things, as is my way, 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.880 a little bit of Ron and Mary business, and so 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.519 the time that I put aside to record that episode 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:39.160 or two selfishly got taken up by Ron and Mary. 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:42.760 So blame them, get mad at them them. It could 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:46.239 never be me. Patrick. James Bonello joins me, as he 0:00:46.280 --> 0:00:48.680 does on a regular basis. Happy New Year Champion. 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:50.959 Hey, it's great. This is exciting for me. I don't 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.280 think I've done the very first episode of a New 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:55.880 Year before because we've been doing this about three years. 0:00:56.200 --> 0:00:57.840 We've been doing it for a while, and you are 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:01.480 very much part of the furniture here typ studio, the 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.760 human furniture that is you. So we're recording this on 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:09.160 the third, Satdy. The third will be out on Monday 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.360 the fifth. Yeah, what have you been doing? 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:13.679 Well? Right the second of being licked? 0:01:14.760 --> 0:01:18.960 Wow? Yeah, And to that young man in front of you, 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:25.479 if you could go and make Patrick some breakfast? Oh really, Well, 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:27.759 you opened the door, you started. 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.520 It, but no you asked me how I've been what 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.600 I'm doing, and I'm being licked, literally being licked by 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:34.600 my dog. So look, it was a bit of a 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:39.440 traumatic day yesterday because Fritzy apparently when we went out 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.039 running at the park, he ran into something and it 0:01:43.200 --> 0:01:46.600 sliced a gash into his chest, but I didn't notice. 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:49.080 He was fine. And then when he was at home 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:52.600 he started licking incessantly and I rolled him over and 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:56.720 he whimpered and there was a visible hole in his chest, 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.840 and I panicked and rushed him to the veton. So 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:02.320 we had a very difficult night trying to get him 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.600 to stop lick at himself. You know, ordinarily I would 0:02:05.680 --> 0:02:09.560 encourage that because it's I'm jealous, but in this instance, so. 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:12.440 That's twice in one minute. You don't need to go for. 0:02:12.560 --> 0:02:14.639 Me, one for you. That's one age. Now we can 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.480 get off that topic. So he's here next to me 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:21.480 in my little broadcast area, and I'm trying to get 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.160 him not to lick his wound. He's little wounds, He's 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:28.400 got medication and I've been bathing it in saline solution, 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:29.560 doing all the right things. 0:02:30.240 --> 0:02:34.120 Nurse Patrick, Well, let's send our healing vibes a little 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.119 Fritzi and hope that he gets better quick and for Ittz, 0:02:37.160 --> 0:02:41.000 stop licking your fucking wounds. Uncle harps here, stop licking 0:02:41.000 --> 0:02:44.600 yourself in that area, and when the wound's better, then 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.799 you can return to business as usual with the other 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:51.440 leaking area, as trained by Dad. But yeah, what did 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:53.960 you what did you do for Christmas? You don't drink? 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:54.200 Right? 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:56.200 Do you ever drink booze? Very? 0:02:56.320 --> 0:02:59.280 Very occasionally? I might have one little drink, you know, 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.400 have a Guinness renown again, it's a little pub that 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:03.760 I go to, and Fritz and I both go to actually, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.040 and we sit in the front bar and I have 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:08.600 a Guinness. But that's maybe once a month. I think 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:09.360 I would have a drink. 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.440 I shouldn't know this, well maybe I shouldn't, but I 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:15.360 know beer is made from hops and shiit. What is 0:03:15.400 --> 0:03:16.600 guinness made from? Do you know? 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.040 Probably the same thing? I reckon. It's supposed to have 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:22.680 lots of vitamin B in it, you know, it's that black, 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.040 dark color. And in Ireland they used to give it 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:28.480 to pregnant women after they had their babies because it 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:30.840 was restorative to their health and well being. 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:36.680 Let's ask to please ask, let's ask chat jp T. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.400 All right, So in the meantime, this is not. 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.960 No, no, no, We're going to We're going to We're going 0:03:43.000 --> 0:03:47.120 to chat to it. Ah, hey chat jp tea. What 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.800 is guinness made from? 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:53.600 Of course, guinness is me from four key ingredients. Water 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:56.160 malted barley, some of which is roasted to give it 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:58.960 that dark color, Hops for bitterness and flavor, and he 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:01.920 used for fermentation. It's the roasted barley that gives it 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:04.080 that signature, deep flavor and dark color. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:06.440 How does it differ from beer? 0:04:08.960 --> 0:04:11.920 A great question. So guinness is indeed a tape of beer, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.560 but it's a stout, which is a darker, richer and 0:04:14.680 --> 0:04:17.919 often creamier style compared to a lighter lagger or ale. 0:04:18.040 --> 0:04:20.679 It has roasted barley, giving it more of a coffee 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.599 or chocolate note, and that creamy head comes from the 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:26.920 natridgen using the poor So it's just a specific delicious 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:28.400 category within the big world of beer. 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:30.760 Well, what the hell am I you for? 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.599 Yeah? You know what I love about chat GPT is 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.440 it can answer your questions but also make you feel 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.240 good by telling you what a great question you asked. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:43.560 It can also it can build your self esteem while 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:44.279 educating you. 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.560 Yeah, and you know what make you dumber? 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:50.080 Why? I just learned something. 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.280 No, no, it's making you dumber. Okay, explain how an 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.599 article in the BBC I was reading just recently. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.160 So this is not your thought. This is some one 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:00.760 else has thought. 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:03.160 Yeah, because this is research that's been done by the 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.000 Massachusetts So you're. 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:08.359 Doing exactly what I just did. You're outsourcing your knowledge. 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.200 No, you asked chat gbt did all the work for you. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.480 I had to research this, go through and read an 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:16.320 entire article. You just asked the stupid AI chatbot. 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.120 Well, my way is just way more efficient. You're still out. 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.359 You're still going somewhere to get the answer. I went somewhere. 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:24.239 That's much quicker. 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:29.440 Yeah. Well, MIT published a study showing used chat GPT 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.000 to write essays showed less activity in the brain networks 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:39.400 associated with cognitive processing while undertaking that particular exercise. So 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.320 the more that we rely on AI, the less No. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.200 No, no, stop stop stop. Stop. You just said people 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.640 who write essays. That's a very specific thing, which is 0:05:49.680 --> 0:05:52.880 not what I am doing. So you can't extrapolate and 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.440 generalize on one thing. So what you do is you 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.880 take you take a grain of sand and go. Let 0:05:58.960 --> 0:06:02.719 me tell you about the each right used in the 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.200 way that we do, which is, hey, we don't know something, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:08.320 tell us what this is? Now we know? How is 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:08.839 that bad? 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.960 Well? One of the things is that by reading, do 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:15.440 you ever get anything wrong? 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.240 Come on, do you ever go are you ever going 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:20.839 to go on this show? Actually, Craig, that's a good point. 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:22.640 Can I give you a quote from the BBC? 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:26.680 And so not your quote, someone else's quote. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:31.560 AI makes it too easy to find answers. Okay. So 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.600 a Carnegie mailon University in Microsoft, which I operates Copilot, 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:40.279 found people's problem solving skills could diminish if they become 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.920 too reliant on aim. 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.000 According to them, according to the research, why when you 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.040 read something, do you go, oh, well, now, that's what 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:50.560 I think? 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.000 No, I think that when you're reading an article, you're 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:55.839 spending more time on it and taking more in. You're 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:59.159 thinking through the process, reading the paragraphs, taking that information in. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.000 We're when you're asking an AI, it's just doing the 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.920 summary for you. Everything's been done for you at least. 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.479 It isn't the point of both of them to find 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:09.680 out the answer to a question. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.120 Sure, yeah it is, But the other thing is the 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:14.360 And this is what we kind of I mean, I guess. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:16.560 AI summaries is one of the big things that came 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:20.880 out of twenty twenty five where first time ever Google 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.280 and look, most of us do use Google for our 0:07:24.400 --> 0:07:28.040 online searching, and now when you do a search, it 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:31.600 means that you get this AI overview. And this is 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.720 a concern for websites, people who are writing news articles 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.040 because what we found is that between sixty and seventy 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:41.360 percent of people are now no longer going to the 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.480 actual website where the content's from. They're just relying on 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:48.120 the AI overview information. And the big concern is that 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:52.320 sometimes that AI overview is actually wrong. And this is 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.640 the big concern because people are getting their news from 0:07:55.640 --> 0:07:59.360 AI and they're reading the summer summary, but they're not 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:02.000 delving any deeper into it, and they're relying on that 0:08:02.360 --> 0:08:05.640 and AI is wrong quite often, it can be wrong, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.920 and that could mean critical things for people if they're 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:13.000 researching things like you know, with my cancer treatment, should 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:15.680 I be doing X, Y Z. And these are specific 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.680 examples I was reading about where the concerns are that 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:21.720 people are relying on it too heavily, and particularly medical 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.280 advice is something that you know, you want to make 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.680 sure you're getting that from a legitimate site, which is 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.040 a medical authority or health government health authority, rather than 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:35.240 just relying on an overview. So it is concerning. And look, 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.800 I love the fact that AI is here and can 0:08:37.800 --> 0:08:40.720 do some great things. I've got to go to a 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:44.839 funeral service next week, and you know, I'm putting together 0:08:44.840 --> 0:08:48.120 the booklet for the service, and there was a photo, 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:51.640 a family photo that my cousin gave to me, and 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:54.000 there were two people in the family that weren't in 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.280 the photo, and so she said, look, can you put 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.920 those people into the photograph? And I was able to 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.640 put it together. And the reality of it is, you know, 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.400 traditionally I would have to have cut out all the 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:09.559 people from the photo using traditional photoshop tools, which is 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:11.960 quite priceiss and one of the difficult things, not so 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:13.680 much for you and I, because we you know, in 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.040 your case, you've got cropped hair. In my case, I 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:19.160 have none, so cutting us out of a photograph is 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:22.600 pretty easy. But for somebody who's got lushes long lengths 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.920 of air, it actually is really difficult to cut the 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.880 hair out. But now AI allows you to instantly remove 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.680 backgrounds and then you can layer that, put new people in, 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.880 arrange them around, take the backgrounds, put the background back 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.760 in again, and suddenly you've got this family photo. And 0:09:38.800 --> 0:09:40.679 it was great to be able to use those tools 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:43.880 which normally would have taken me ours. So yeah, I 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.880 use stacks of AI and it's great in some applications. 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.280 Yeah, I think there are pros and cons for everything. 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:57.080 But I think back just quickly to the AI summaries. Yeah, well, 0:09:57.320 --> 0:09:59.600 I think everybody knows we don't get our health advice 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:01.600 from the end to that period, do we. I mean, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.400 who's going, I'm not going to a doctor. But hang on, 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:10.760 how studio like you can get misinformation and you do everywhere. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.800 It's not just AI summaries, it's YouTube, it's Instagram, it's Facebook, 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:19.000 it's every fucking post that every person puts up. So 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.360 I think to go, you know, like, you can go 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.880 to actual websites and get bullshit because they sell bullshit 0:10:25.920 --> 0:10:28.240 and promote bullshit, and they've got a vested interest in 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.160 you buying what they're selling. So I think to assume that, 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:35.280 you know, like I agree with you, but I think, 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.320 but that's just that's you know, everywhere like to be 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:46.559 able to if you're going to any website that sells anything, 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.720 then you're not getting objectivity. You're getting a version of 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:54.439 a sales pitch. And most most websites that we go 0:10:54.559 --> 0:10:59.400 to are commercial, you know, like it's not like it's 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:03.560 just this amazing resource that nobody's making money from. 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:06.400 I guess the one thing that I was saying before 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:10.920 is that like for specific things like medical advice, legal advice, 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:13.400 there's certainly are legitimate sites that you can go to. 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:16.880 I would go to a government and even if you 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.040 look at the extension of a website, is that if 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.920 it's a dot gov, dot au, then you know that 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.160 it's a government site. You know, if you want a 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.800 specific weather related information, you go to the Weather Bureau, 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.720 you know, for information there, or for help to a 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.000 medical site. So I think it's discerning where you are 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.040 in relation to the type of information that you're getting. 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.199 But you're right, that is a difficult thing to kind 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:41.520 of discern because there's so much slop out there. That 0:11:41.640 --> 0:11:44.480 was the word of the year. Remember AI slop was 0:11:44.520 --> 0:11:47.280 one of the dictionaries, the big Dictionaries word of the year. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:51.480 And if you create a new YouTube account right now, 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.120 so you've never used YouTube, so you jump on and 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.920 you create a new account to start using YouTube. From 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.800 absolute scratch, twenty percent of video is more than twenty 0:12:00.840 --> 0:12:03.360 percent of videos that you will be shown. You know 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.360 when you start scrolling through your feed, well, twenty percent 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.440 more than twenty will be AI slop. There's guaranteed, so 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:13.720 you know already one in five will be you know, 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.840 this generated AI stuff. Do you when you flick through 0:12:18.080 --> 0:12:21.120 and whether it's X or any of those, do you 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.920 struggle with that? Do you look at that and think 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.400 to yourself, am I looking at something that's real? Is 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:27.720 this fake? Is that something that's a concern for you? 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:30.800 Well, yeah, but I don't worry about it. I don't 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.079 believe it's like even when you go the government, do 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.160 you think the government doesn't get shit wrong? Do you 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.640 think that everything on government websites is like I just 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:44.120 think it's not about being negative or I'm not anti 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.640 government at all. I thank God for the government, we'd 0:12:46.679 --> 0:12:49.720 be living in fucking whatever, you know, But the government 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.160 gets stuff wrong, the government gets stuff right. I think 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:57.360 the reality like putting aside whatever the medium is or 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.200 the delivery system, be it Facebook, be at x, be 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:04.840 it Instagram, be at a government website. The human experience 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:08.280 is we get things wrong. We give Have I ever 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.720 gotten things wrong every fucking day of my life? Have 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:14.880 I ever said things that aren't true every day of 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:19.880 my life? Have I ever misled people unintentionally a million times? 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.760 So I think that we need to go you know, like, 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:26.240 if you've got the two one hundred episodes of this show, 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.080 I would say on every episode, we've said something that 0:13:30.160 --> 0:13:33.359 was bullshit, if not once, ten times on each episode. 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.120 So this kind of thing that we have of oh, 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:38.800 that's good over there and this is bad over here, 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.040 I think you've got to turn down the volume on 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:44.840 that because to say, oh, and it always with me 0:13:45.600 --> 0:13:48.760 and I am literally a fucking researcher at a PhD level. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.319 I don't like to play that card. But when people 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:55.200 go sixty percent of this, really it's not fifty seven, 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.800 it's not sixty two. I'm not talking about you, by 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:00.760 the way, but there are all of these very convenient 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:07.600 research kind of numbers that come out. I was talking 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:12.600 with somebody the other day about a particular thing in 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:16.680 big farm, this particular drug and the efficacy of this drug. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.520 And you know when you go through it. I was 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:26.240 talking with David Gillespie about treatment for cholesterol, right, And 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:28.720 then you start digging and you go, yeah, this is 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:30.840 science and it is science, and you can read the 0:14:30.880 --> 0:14:33.120 report and you can read the paper and you go, fuck, 0:14:33.200 --> 0:14:36.640 but this is in this journal. This is a Tier one, 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.720 very credible Q one journal. And then you dig and 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.400 you dig and you dig and you go, oh, this 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:45.800 is financed by big farmer, which it was, and then 0:14:45.840 --> 0:14:48.040 you go, oh, but it's science. You go no, no, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:53.960 Like people get too hysterical about the validity of science. 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.080 It's like, you've got to remember this, who designed the study, 0:14:57.160 --> 0:15:01.840 a human who's financing the study big farmer? Well as 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.360 if they want you to produce outcomes that make them 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:07.720 look bad when they are literally paying your fucking wage, right, 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:12.040 so you have and who interpreted the data. Oh, and 0:15:12.120 --> 0:15:15.680 for this one study we spoke about, they wouldn't reveal 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:21.040 the data because the data disproved their theory, their hypothesis. 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:24.600 So what they did was they just revealed the interpretation 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.800 of the scientists of the data, right. But for the 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:33.040 average panta, we go, Oh, Craig said this. Craig's smart. 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.920 So this is how it is. No, Craig's not smart. 0:15:35.960 --> 0:15:38.520 Craig's a fucking human who gets things wrong all the time. 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:42.480 Scientists get things wrong all the time. Over the years, 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:46.560 we've constantly been you know, like low fad eating in 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.280 the early seventies was meant to revolutionize the health state 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.160 of all First world countries, and in fact, what it's 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:56.800 done since the fifties or since the seventies, there's been 0:15:56.800 --> 0:16:00.440 an increase in obesity and obesity related diseases. Sense the 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:04.480 introduction of low fat food because low fat food equaled 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:07.480 high sugar food, right, And so which is not to 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.800 say donat carbs or donat sugar. It's just to say 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:15.240 that science is constantly getting it wrong. When the pandemic struck, 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:19.080 it was estimated one hundred and fifty thousand Australians would die. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.000 It was on the front of the paper, it was 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:24.240 on the Herald Sun, and it was on the age 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.560 and this was this was the estimates by the best 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:31.800 scientist virologist, except they got it wildly fucking wrong. Nobody 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.000 comes out and goes, oh, you know that thing we said, 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:36.800 we fucked up right, This is the world that we 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:39.440 live in. Politicians tell me a politician who comes out 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:42.080 and goes, that thing that we did, we got it wrong. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.480 That thing that we said, we got it wrong. So 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:48.000 I think, like, for me, I'm I'm not I read 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:50.680 everything and I pay attention or everything I can, and 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.160 I pay attention, but I'm more about let me see 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:58.040 the results over time. So rather than going, oh, I 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.960 read this here and it said that, therefore that's true, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:04.359 I'm like no, or I heard this, therefore that's true. 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.960 I'm like maybe maybe. And I just think that that 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:16.680 assigning a certain value or worth or respect to something 0:17:16.880 --> 0:17:20.399 just because someone said it to me, I think is 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:25.399 actually the opposite of critical thinking. Like I think, like, 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.320 you're super smart, and I'm not saying that disingenuously. You're 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.480 super smart, and I think that all of us have 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:34.920 the ability to go, all right, this is what they said, 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:37.800 but let me And by the way, research is not 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.159 reading a paper that someone wrote that's not research and 0:17:41.240 --> 0:17:45.600 watching a video that's not research. Research is actually research, 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:48.960 you know, steps down off soapbox. But that's all I think. 0:17:49.080 --> 0:17:52.920 I just get I get frustrated when people go, oh, 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.840 you're wrong because I read this here. I'm like, well, fuck, okay, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:17:58.080 let's see over time. 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:00.639 Look. One of the interesting things is I trained to 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.359 be a journalist. We were told never to believe one source. 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.880 That you check multiple sources, You interview more than one 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.800 person on the topic, You get both sides of the story, 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.560 try to get as much information in so that you 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.439 could give both sides, you know. And that's where I 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.480 think a lot of the mainstream media has diverged a lot. 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.440 If you look at Sky Television for example, and look 0:18:22.440 --> 0:18:26.080 at some of the extreme more extreme you know, reporting, 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:28.639 and there's lots of reasons for that. I think that 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.280 one of the challenges for journalism now is that, you know, 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.680 there's less resources going into journalism because people are now 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:42.240 using Facebook to disseminate information, people using X to seminate information. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.800 So the checks and measures aren't there anymore. There's no editors, 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:49.920 there's no sub editors that are deciding that this person 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:53.640 who's on X is being vetted in any way. And 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.439 that's problematic because you know, if you go down that 0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.800 rabbit hole, X will continue to serve up the same stuff. 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:01.679 That is, you know, they just want to keep you 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.760 there as long as you can, whether it's Facebook or X. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.800 And that way, the information you're being given, it may 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.280 not be credible, but it will keep serving it up 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.800 if you keep clicking on it, and it will try 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.639 to keep you. So, if your rabbit hole is the 0:19:15.680 --> 0:19:20.000 Earth is actually legitimately flat, that and I know somebody 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.480 who has a sibling who dead set believes the world 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:29.200 is flat, absolutely black and blue believes the world is flat. 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:31.879 And I have a friend who believes the world is flat. 0:19:31.960 --> 0:19:34.720 And you know this friend. I won't say this person's name, 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.600 but i'll tell you after. I have a good friend 0:19:37.760 --> 0:19:41.560 who they are going further and further. They're not one 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:44.840 hundred percent, but they're about ninety percent sure the Earth's flat. 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:51.399 I'm like, oh, okay, okay, like all right and all that. 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.200 You know, Yeah, go on, though, but if. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:56.679 You if you then mix with those Facebook groups, if 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.120 you if you're a flat earther and then you talk 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:02.919 to other flat earth you're going to have that reinforced constantly. 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:05.560 But with social media, So I would talk to you 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:09.760 you reinforce my mindset. But what happened on social media 0:20:09.840 --> 0:20:12.080 is it's got an algorithm that's built into it to 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.800 keep serving that up. So it's not just me catching 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:16.920 up with Craig over a beer and you say, yeah, 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.520 the world is definitely flat and I say, well, Craig 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:22.800 reckons it is. So there you go. Now you've got 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:25.879 all these voices in the wilderness, and then your algorithm 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.520 just serves you up that. So if you're far left 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.520 or far right, then you're going to get more far 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:35.080 left or far right information via your social media. Because 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.480 the big thing to bear in mind with socials is 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.280 that it's not government vetted, it's not government run. It's 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:46.280 run by corporations that just want to make advertising revenue. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:49.520 That's all there about the AI slop we were talking 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.480 about before on YouTube, so you sign up to get 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.399 onto YouTube for the first time, twenty percent of videos 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:59.040 are going to be AI slop. But last year AI 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:03.560 slop general id one hundred and seventeen million dollars US 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:07.360 a year in ad revenue. That's why people are generating 0:21:07.359 --> 0:21:09.640 the crap because they've got money out of. 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.760 It, of course, but also think you're exactly right but 0:21:12.800 --> 0:21:16.520 also Patrick James Kevin, Patrick James Bonello think about this. 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:20.880 So you go, oh, when I open I start watching 0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:25.880 fucking you know, videos on how I'm going to heal 0:21:25.960 --> 0:21:29.359 my exma, and I get all these weird products from 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.720 the Amazon, and then I keep getting more and more 0:21:31.720 --> 0:21:34.480 and then this one will heal my fucking whatever. Right, 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:38.760 and it's all similar stuff from So it's like, now 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.840 you're in this echo chamber, but walk away from the 0:21:41.920 --> 0:21:44.560 virtual world and the Internet. And then you go into 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:48.600