Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Harps and Patrick, it's you project.
Speaker 1: For the first time in twenty twenty six, we're back.
Speaker 1: And to those of you who are thinking to yourselves self,
Speaker 1: where is the answer to my question that Harps asked
Speaker 1: me to write in the group, It's coming. I apologize.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to do a Q and a
Speaker 1: pod or two, which I'm doing. I've started. I just
Speaker 1: got a bit caught up in things, as is my way,
Speaker 1: a little bit of Ron and Mary business, and so
Speaker 1: the time that I put aside to record that episode
Speaker 1: or two selfishly got taken up by Ron and Mary.
Speaker 1: So blame them, get mad at them them. It could
Speaker 1: never be me. Patrick. James Bonello joins me, as he
Speaker 1: does on a regular basis. Happy New Year Champion.
Speaker 2: Hey, it's great. This is exciting for me. I don't
Speaker 2: think I've done the very first episode of a New
Speaker 2: Year before because we've been doing this about three years.
Speaker 1: We've been doing it for a while, and you are
Speaker 1: very much part of the furniture here typ studio, the
Speaker 1: human furniture that is you. So we're recording this on
Speaker 1: the third, Satdy. The third will be out on Monday
Speaker 1: the fifth. Yeah, what have you been doing?
Speaker 2: Well? Right the second of being licked?
Speaker 1: Wow? Yeah, And to that young man in front of you,
Speaker 1: if you could go and make Patrick some breakfast? Oh really, Well,
Speaker 1: you opened the door, you started.
Speaker 2: It, but no you asked me how I've been what
Speaker 2: I'm doing, and I'm being licked, literally being licked by
Speaker 2: my dog. So look, it was a bit of a
Speaker 2: traumatic day yesterday because Fritzy apparently when we went out
Speaker 2: running at the park, he ran into something and it
Speaker 2: sliced a gash into his chest, but I didn't notice.
Speaker 2: He was fine. And then when he was at home
Speaker 2: he started licking incessantly and I rolled him over and
Speaker 2: he whimpered and there was a visible hole in his chest,
Speaker 2: and I panicked and rushed him to the veton. So
Speaker 2: we had a very difficult night trying to get him
Speaker 2: to stop lick at himself. You know, ordinarily I would
Speaker 2: encourage that because it's I'm jealous, but in this instance, so.
Speaker 1: That's twice in one minute. You don't need to go for.
Speaker 2: Me, one for you. That's one age. Now we can
Speaker 2: get off that topic. So he's here next to me
Speaker 2: in my little broadcast area, and I'm trying to get
Speaker 2: him not to lick his wound. He's little wounds, He's
Speaker 2: got medication and I've been bathing it in saline solution,
Speaker 2: doing all the right things.
Speaker 1: Nurse Patrick, Well, let's send our healing vibes a little
Speaker 1: Fritzi and hope that he gets better quick and for Ittz,
Speaker 1: stop licking your fucking wounds. Uncle harps here, stop licking
Speaker 1: yourself in that area, and when the wound's better, then
Speaker 1: you can return to business as usual with the other
Speaker 1: leaking area, as trained by Dad. But yeah, what did
Speaker 1: you what did you do for Christmas? You don't drink?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Do you ever drink booze? Very?
Speaker 2: Very occasionally? I might have one little drink, you know,
Speaker 2: have a Guinness renown again, it's a little pub that
Speaker 2: I go to, and Fritz and I both go to actually,
Speaker 2: and we sit in the front bar and I have
Speaker 2: a Guinness. But that's maybe once a month. I think
Speaker 2: I would have a drink.
Speaker 1: I shouldn't know this, well maybe I shouldn't, but I
Speaker 1: know beer is made from hops and shiit. What is
Speaker 1: guinness made from? Do you know?
Speaker 2: Probably the same thing? I reckon. It's supposed to have
Speaker 2: lots of vitamin B in it, you know, it's that black,
Speaker 2: dark color. And in Ireland they used to give it
Speaker 2: to pregnant women after they had their babies because it
Speaker 2: was restorative to their health and well being.
Speaker 1: Let's ask to please ask, let's ask chat jp T.
Speaker 2: All right, So in the meantime, this is not.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, We're going to We're going to We're going
Speaker 1: to chat to it. Ah, hey chat jp tea. What
Speaker 1: is guinness made from?
Speaker 3: Of course, guinness is me from four key ingredients. Water
Speaker 3: malted barley, some of which is roasted to give it
Speaker 3: that dark color, Hops for bitterness and flavor, and he
Speaker 3: used for fermentation. It's the roasted barley that gives it
Speaker 3: that signature, deep flavor and dark color.
Speaker 1: How does it differ from beer?
Speaker 3: A great question. So guinness is indeed a tape of beer,
Speaker 3: but it's a stout, which is a darker, richer and
Speaker 3: often creamier style compared to a lighter lagger or ale.
Speaker 3: It has roasted barley, giving it more of a coffee
Speaker 3: or chocolate note, and that creamy head comes from the
Speaker 3: natridgen using the poor So it's just a specific delicious
Speaker 3: category within the big world of beer.
Speaker 2: Well, what the hell am I you for?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what I love about chat GPT is
Speaker 1: it can answer your questions but also make you feel
Speaker 1: good by telling you what a great question you asked.
Speaker 1: It can also it can build your self esteem while
Speaker 1: educating you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what make you dumber?
Speaker 1: Why? I just learned something.
Speaker 2: No, no, it's making you dumber. Okay, explain how an
Speaker 2: article in the BBC I was reading just recently.
Speaker 1: So this is not your thought. This is some one
Speaker 1: else has thought.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is research that's been done by the
Speaker 2: Massachusetts So you're.
Speaker 1: Doing exactly what I just did. You're outsourcing your knowledge.
Speaker 2: No, you asked chat gbt did all the work for you.
Speaker 2: I had to research this, go through and read an
Speaker 2: entire article. You just asked the stupid AI chatbot.
Speaker 1: Well, my way is just way more efficient. You're still out.
Speaker 1: You're still going somewhere to get the answer. I went somewhere.
Speaker 1: That's much quicker.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, MIT published a study showing used chat GPT
Speaker 2: to write essays showed less activity in the brain networks
Speaker 2: associated with cognitive processing while undertaking that particular exercise. So
Speaker 2: the more that we rely on AI, the less No.
Speaker 1: No, no, stop stop stop. Stop. You just said people
Speaker 1: who write essays. That's a very specific thing, which is
Speaker 1: not what I am doing. So you can't extrapolate and
Speaker 1: generalize on one thing. So what you do is you
Speaker 1: take you take a grain of sand and go. Let
Speaker 1: me tell you about the each right used in the
Speaker 1: way that we do, which is, hey, we don't know something,
Speaker 1: tell us what this is? Now we know? How is
Speaker 1: that bad?
Speaker 2: Well? One of the things is that by reading, do
Speaker 2: you ever get anything wrong?
Speaker 1: Come on, do you ever go are you ever going
Speaker 1: to go on this show? Actually, Craig, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: Can I give you a quote from the BBC?
Speaker 1: And so not your quote, someone else's quote.
Speaker 2: AI makes it too easy to find answers. Okay. So
Speaker 2: a Carnegie mailon University in Microsoft, which I operates Copilot,
Speaker 2: found people's problem solving skills could diminish if they become
Speaker 2: too reliant on aim.
Speaker 1: According to them, according to the research, why when you
Speaker 1: read something, do you go, oh, well, now, that's what
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 2: No, I think that when you're reading an article, you're
Speaker 2: spending more time on it and taking more in. You're
Speaker 2: thinking through the process, reading the paragraphs, taking that information in.
Speaker 2: We're when you're asking an AI, it's just doing the
Speaker 2: summary for you. Everything's been done for you at least.
Speaker 1: It isn't the point of both of them to find
Speaker 1: out the answer to a question.
Speaker 2: Sure, yeah it is, But the other thing is the
Speaker 2: And this is what we kind of I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2: AI summaries is one of the big things that came
Speaker 2: out of twenty twenty five where first time ever Google
Speaker 2: and look, most of us do use Google for our
Speaker 2: online searching, and now when you do a search, it
Speaker 2: means that you get this AI overview. And this is
Speaker 2: a concern for websites, people who are writing news articles
Speaker 2: because what we found is that between sixty and seventy
Speaker 2: percent of people are now no longer going to the
Speaker 2: actual website where the content's from. They're just relying on
Speaker 2: the AI overview information. And the big concern is that
Speaker 2: sometimes that AI overview is actually wrong. And this is
Speaker 2: the big concern because people are getting their news from
Speaker 2: AI and they're reading the summer summary, but they're not
Speaker 2: delving any deeper into it, and they're relying on that
Speaker 2: and AI is wrong quite often, it can be wrong,
Speaker 2: and that could mean critical things for people if they're
Speaker 2: researching things like you know, with my cancer treatment, should
Speaker 2: I be doing X, Y Z. And these are specific
Speaker 2: examples I was reading about where the concerns are that
Speaker 2: people are relying on it too heavily, and particularly medical
Speaker 2: advice is something that you know, you want to make
Speaker 2: sure you're getting that from a legitimate site, which is
Speaker 2: a medical authority or health government health authority, rather than
Speaker 2: just relying on an overview. So it is concerning. And look,
Speaker 2: I love the fact that AI is here and can
Speaker 2: do some great things. I've got to go to a
Speaker 2: funeral service next week, and you know, I'm putting together
Speaker 2: the booklet for the service, and there was a photo,
Speaker 2: a family photo that my cousin gave to me, and
Speaker 2: there were two people in the family that weren't in
Speaker 2: the photo, and so she said, look, can you put
Speaker 2: those people into the photograph? And I was able to
Speaker 2: put it together. And the reality of it is, you know,
Speaker 2: traditionally I would have to have cut out all the
Speaker 2: people from the photo using traditional photoshop tools, which is
Speaker 2: quite priceiss and one of the difficult things, not so
Speaker 2: much for you and I, because we you know, in
Speaker 2: your case, you've got cropped hair. In my case, I
Speaker 2: have none, so cutting us out of a photograph is
Speaker 2: pretty easy. But for somebody who's got lushes long lengths
Speaker 2: of air, it actually is really difficult to cut the
Speaker 2: hair out. But now AI allows you to instantly remove
Speaker 2: backgrounds and then you can layer that, put new people in,
Speaker 2: arrange them around, take the backgrounds, put the background back
Speaker 2: in again, and suddenly you've got this family photo. And
Speaker 2: it was great to be able to use those tools
Speaker 2: which normally would have taken me ours. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: use stacks of AI and it's great in some applications.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are pros and cons for everything.
Speaker 1: But I think back just quickly to the AI summaries. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I think everybody knows we don't get our health advice
Speaker 1: from the end to that period, do we. I mean,
Speaker 1: who's going, I'm not going to a doctor. But hang on,
Speaker 1: how studio like you can get misinformation and you do everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's not just AI summaries, it's YouTube, it's Instagram, it's Facebook,
Speaker 1: it's every fucking post that every person puts up. So
Speaker 1: I think to go, you know, like, you can go
Speaker 1: to actual websites and get bullshit because they sell bullshit
Speaker 1: and promote bullshit, and they've got a vested interest in
Speaker 1: you buying what they're selling. So I think to assume that,
Speaker 1: you know, like I agree with you, but I think,
Speaker 1: but that's just that's you know, everywhere like to be
Speaker 1: able to if you're going to any website that sells anything,
Speaker 1: then you're not getting objectivity. You're getting a version of
Speaker 1: a sales pitch. And most most websites that we go
Speaker 1: to are commercial, you know, like it's not like it's
Speaker 1: just this amazing resource that nobody's making money from.
Speaker 2: I guess the one thing that I was saying before
Speaker 2: is that like for specific things like medical advice, legal advice,
Speaker 2: there's certainly are legitimate sites that you can go to.
Speaker 2: I would go to a government and even if you
Speaker 2: look at the extension of a website, is that if
Speaker 2: it's a dot gov, dot au, then you know that
Speaker 2: it's a government site. You know, if you want a
Speaker 2: specific weather related information, you go to the Weather Bureau,
Speaker 2: you know, for information there, or for help to a
Speaker 2: medical site. So I think it's discerning where you are
Speaker 2: in relation to the type of information that you're getting.
Speaker 2: But you're right, that is a difficult thing to kind
Speaker 2: of discern because there's so much slop out there. That
Speaker 2: was the word of the year. Remember AI slop was
Speaker 2: one of the dictionaries, the big Dictionaries word of the year.
Speaker 2: And if you create a new YouTube account right now,
Speaker 2: so you've never used YouTube, so you jump on and
Speaker 2: you create a new account to start using YouTube. From
Speaker 2: absolute scratch, twenty percent of video is more than twenty
Speaker 2: percent of videos that you will be shown. You know
Speaker 2: when you start scrolling through your feed, well, twenty percent
Speaker 2: more than twenty will be AI slop. There's guaranteed, so
Speaker 2: you know already one in five will be you know,
Speaker 2: this generated AI stuff. Do you when you flick through
Speaker 2: and whether it's X or any of those, do you
Speaker 2: struggle with that? Do you look at that and think
Speaker 2: to yourself, am I looking at something that's real? Is
Speaker 2: this fake? Is that something that's a concern for you?
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but I don't worry about it. I don't
Speaker 1: believe it's like even when you go the government, do
Speaker 1: you think the government doesn't get shit wrong? Do you
Speaker 1: think that everything on government websites is like I just
Speaker 1: think it's not about being negative or I'm not anti
Speaker 1: government at all. I thank God for the government, we'd
Speaker 1: be living in fucking whatever, you know, But the government
Speaker 1: gets stuff wrong, the government gets stuff right. I think
Speaker 1: the reality like putting aside whatever the medium is or
Speaker 1: the delivery system, be it Facebook, be at x, be
Speaker 1: it Instagram, be at a government website. The human experience
Speaker 1: is we get things wrong. We give Have I ever
Speaker 1: gotten things wrong every fucking day of my life? Have
Speaker 1: I ever said things that aren't true every day of
Speaker 1: my life? Have I ever misled people unintentionally a million times?
Speaker 1: So I think that we need to go you know, like,
Speaker 1: if you've got the two one hundred episodes of this show,
Speaker 1: I would say on every episode, we've said something that
Speaker 1: was bullshit, if not once, ten times on each episode.
Speaker 1: So this kind of thing that we have of oh,
Speaker 1: that's good over there and this is bad over here,
Speaker 1: I think you've got to turn down the volume on
Speaker 1: that because to say, oh, and it always with me
Speaker 1: and I am literally a fucking researcher at a PhD level.
Speaker 1: I don't like to play that card. But when people
Speaker 1: go sixty percent of this, really it's not fifty seven,
Speaker 1: it's not sixty two. I'm not talking about you, by
Speaker 1: the way, but there are all of these very convenient
Speaker 1: research kind of numbers that come out. I was talking
Speaker 1: with somebody the other day about a particular thing in
Speaker 1: big farm, this particular drug and the efficacy of this drug.
Speaker 1: And you know when you go through it. I was
Speaker 1: talking with David Gillespie about treatment for cholesterol, right, And
Speaker 1: then you start digging and you go, yeah, this is
Speaker 1: science and it is science, and you can read the
Speaker 1: report and you can read the paper and you go, fuck,
Speaker 1: but this is in this journal. This is a Tier one,
Speaker 1: very credible Q one journal. And then you dig and
Speaker 1: you dig and you dig and you go, oh, this
Speaker 1: is financed by big farmer, which it was, and then
Speaker 1: you go, oh, but it's science. You go no, no,
Speaker 1: Like people get too hysterical about the validity of science.
Speaker 1: It's like, you've got to remember this, who designed the study,
Speaker 1: a human who's financing the study big farmer? Well as
Speaker 1: if they want you to produce outcomes that make them
Speaker 1: look bad when they are literally paying your fucking wage, right,
Speaker 1: so you have and who interpreted the data. Oh, and
Speaker 1: for this one study we spoke about, they wouldn't reveal
Speaker 1: the data because the data disproved their theory, their hypothesis.
Speaker 1: So what they did was they just revealed the interpretation
Speaker 1: of the scientists of the data, right. But for the
Speaker 1: average panta, we go, Oh, Craig said this. Craig's smart.
Speaker 1: So this is how it is. No, Craig's not smart.
Speaker 1: Craig's a fucking human who gets things wrong all the time.
Speaker 1: Scientists get things wrong all the time. Over the years,
Speaker 1: we've constantly been you know, like low fad eating in
Speaker 1: the early seventies was meant to revolutionize the health state
Speaker 1: of all First world countries, and in fact, what it's
Speaker 1: done since the fifties or since the seventies, there's been
Speaker 1: an increase in obesity and obesity related diseases. Sense the
Speaker 1: introduction of low fat food because low fat food equaled
Speaker 1: high sugar food, right, And so which is not to
Speaker 1: say donat carbs or donat sugar. It's just to say
Speaker 1: that science is constantly getting it wrong. When the pandemic struck,
Speaker 1: it was estimated one hundred and fifty thousand Australians would die.
Speaker 1: It was on the front of the paper, it was
Speaker 1: on the Herald Sun, and it was on the age
Speaker 1: and this was this was the estimates by the best
Speaker 1: scientist virologist, except they got it wildly fucking wrong. Nobody
Speaker 1: comes out and goes, oh, you know that thing we said,
Speaker 1: we fucked up right, This is the world that we
Speaker 1: live in. Politicians tell me a politician who comes out
Speaker 1: and goes, that thing that we did, we got it wrong.
Speaker 1: That thing that we said, we got it wrong. So
Speaker 1: I think, like, for me, I'm I'm not I read
Speaker 1: everything and I pay attention or everything I can, and
Speaker 1: I pay attention, but I'm more about let me see
Speaker 1: the results over time. So rather than going, oh, I
Speaker 1: read this here and it said that, therefore that's true,
Speaker 1: I'm like no, or I heard this, therefore that's true.
Speaker 1: I'm like maybe maybe. And I just think that that
Speaker 1: assigning a certain value or worth or respect to something
Speaker 1: just because someone said it to me, I think is
Speaker 1: actually the opposite of critical thinking. Like I think, like,
Speaker 1: you're super smart, and I'm not saying that disingenuously. You're
Speaker 1: super smart, and I think that all of us have
Speaker 1: the ability to go, all right, this is what they said,
Speaker 1: but let me And by the way, research is not
Speaker 1: reading a paper that someone wrote that's not research and
Speaker 1: watching a video that's not research. Research is actually research,
Speaker 1: you know, steps down off soapbox. But that's all I think.
Speaker 1: I just get I get frustrated when people go, oh,
Speaker 1: you're wrong because I read this here. I'm like, well, fuck, okay,
Speaker 1: let's see over time.
Speaker 2: Look. One of the interesting things is I trained to
Speaker 2: be a journalist. We were told never to believe one source.
Speaker 2: That you check multiple sources, You interview more than one
Speaker 2: person on the topic, You get both sides of the story,
Speaker 2: try to get as much information in so that you
Speaker 2: could give both sides, you know. And that's where I
Speaker 2: think a lot of the mainstream media has diverged a lot.
Speaker 2: If you look at Sky Television for example, and look
Speaker 2: at some of the extreme more extreme you know, reporting,
Speaker 2: and there's lots of reasons for that. I think that
Speaker 2: one of the challenges for journalism now is that, you know,
Speaker 2: there's less resources going into journalism because people are now
Speaker 2: using Facebook to disseminate information, people using X to seminate information.
Speaker 2: So the checks and measures aren't there anymore. There's no editors,
Speaker 2: there's no sub editors that are deciding that this person
Speaker 2: who's on X is being vetted in any way. And
Speaker 2: that's problematic because you know, if you go down that
Speaker 2: rabbit hole, X will continue to serve up the same stuff.
Speaker 2: That is, you know, they just want to keep you
Speaker 2: there as long as you can, whether it's Facebook or X.
Speaker 2: And that way, the information you're being given, it may
Speaker 2: not be credible, but it will keep serving it up
Speaker 2: if you keep clicking on it, and it will try
Speaker 2: to keep you. So, if your rabbit hole is the
Speaker 2: Earth is actually legitimately flat, that and I know somebody
Speaker 2: who has a sibling who dead set believes the world
Speaker 2: is flat, absolutely black and blue believes the world is flat.
Speaker 1: And I have a friend who believes the world is flat.
Speaker 1: And you know this friend. I won't say this person's name,
Speaker 1: but i'll tell you after. I have a good friend
Speaker 1: who they are going further and further. They're not one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, but they're about ninety percent sure the Earth's flat.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, okay, okay, like all right and all that.
Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, go on, though, but if.
Speaker 2: You if you then mix with those Facebook groups, if
Speaker 2: you if you're a flat earther and then you talk
Speaker 2: to other flat earth you're going to have that reinforced constantly.
Speaker 2: But with social media, So I would talk to you
Speaker 2: you reinforce my mindset. But what happened on social media
Speaker 2: is it's got an algorithm that's built into it to
Speaker 2: keep serving that up. So it's not just me catching
Speaker 2: up with Craig over a beer and you say, yeah,
Speaker 2: the world is definitely flat and I say, well, Craig
Speaker 2: reckons it is. So there you go. Now you've got
Speaker 2: all these voices in the wilderness, and then your algorithm
Speaker 2: just serves you up that. So if you're far left
Speaker 2: or far right, then you're going to get more far
Speaker 2: left or far right information via your social media. Because
Speaker 2: the big thing to bear in mind with socials is
Speaker 2: that it's not government vetted, it's not government run. It's
Speaker 2: run by corporations that just want to make advertising revenue.
Speaker 2: That's all there about the AI slop we were talking
Speaker 2: about before on YouTube, so you sign up to get
Speaker 2: onto YouTube for the first time, twenty percent of videos
Speaker 2: are going to be AI slop. But last year AI
Speaker 2: slop general id one hundred and seventeen million dollars US
Speaker 2: a year in ad revenue. That's why people are generating
Speaker 2: the crap because they've got money out of.
Speaker 1: It, of course, but also think you're exactly right but
Speaker 1: also Patrick James Kevin, Patrick James Bonello think about this.
Speaker 1: So you go, oh, when I open I start watching
Speaker 1: fucking you know, videos on how I'm going to heal
Speaker 1: my exma, and I get all these weird products from
Speaker 1: the Amazon, and then I keep getting more and more
Speaker 1: and then this one will heal my fucking whatever. Right,
Speaker 1: and it's all similar stuff from So it's like, now
Speaker 1: you're in this echo chamber, but walk away from the
Speaker 1: virtual world and the Internet. And then you go into
Speaker 1: a church. What do you hear everybody preaching the same message,
Speaker 1: telling you the same thing, and if anybody questions that message,
Speaker 1: you're bad, You're evil, You're going to hell. You go
Speaker 1: to a synagogue, same except without the Jesus bit, right.
Speaker 1: You go to a Buddhist temple where, well they're you know,
Speaker 1: they they don't really have a god per se, they
Speaker 1: don't have a deity. You go to a Carlton football club, Well,
Speaker 1: Collingwood fans are fucking idiots, right. It's like the world
Speaker 1: is full of these echo chambers where you essentially belong
Speaker 1: to a group, whether or not you chose it, you
Speaker 1: belong to a group who keeps reinforcing the same message,
Speaker 1: and if you question the message, then you're somehow penalized.
Speaker 1: This is how people control and manipulate and coerce and
Speaker 1: get the outcomes they want. And I grew up very
Speaker 1: much in an echo chamber of theology and philosophy, where
Speaker 1: if I questioned anything, I was basically criticized and humiliated
Speaker 1: and all of these things, and so was everyone, by
Speaker 1: the way, And that's how you control people. And that's
Speaker 1: how you manipulate people. Is you go, no, there's only one.
Speaker 1: It's like when people go to me, what's the best way? Okay,
Speaker 1: So if I am an expert in anything, it's probably
Speaker 1: exercise science, what's the best way to achieve this outcome
Speaker 1: with my body? And I go, well, there actually is
Speaker 1: an a best way. There's probably one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: seven different best ways, depending on your body, your genetics,
Speaker 1: your background, your medical state, your chronological your biological agent.
Speaker 1: So the idea that there's a best way, we need
Speaker 1: to dispense with that. It's like you and the way
Speaker 1: that you live. So you're a single bloke, you live
Speaker 1: in the country. You like blokes, right, that's not good
Speaker 1: or bad. That's how you live. Right, for you, living
Speaker 1: with your dog, having a great social network, having life
Speaker 1: and work that for you is meaningful and purposeful. I
Speaker 1: know you're not driven by money. You need to make
Speaker 1: money because you've got to pay the bills, but I
Speaker 1: know that you know for you, you're more about emotional and
Speaker 1: I guess spiritual and social connection and that's kind of
Speaker 1: your bank account right now. That's perfect for you. It's
Speaker 1: going to be the worst model ever for some other bloke. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So we're all trying to find like what is in
Speaker 1: the middle of the myriad of ways that we can
Speaker 1: live and think and do and be. Not what's the
Speaker 1: right way, but what's the best way for me based
Speaker 1: on who I am. And so it's like I haven't
Speaker 1: had a job since I was twenty four, Would I
Speaker 1: recommend that? Definitely? Not if you're a clone of me, yes,
Speaker 1: But if you're not, which nobody is, will then figure
Speaker 1: it out for yourself. But what I'll do is I
Speaker 1: will tell you what I did and how I did
Speaker 1: it and why I did it, and I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what my outcomes were. But then, because you're not me,
Speaker 1: you're going to think for yourself and you're going to
Speaker 1: maybe try a couple of things and see what the
Speaker 1: outcome is, and then based on your own data and experience,
Speaker 1: you'll figure out the best model for you. Craig Harper
Speaker 1: cannot tell you what is the path for you because
Speaker 1: I'm not you and you're not me, you know, And
Speaker 1: I think that's true for everything from how should I eat?
Speaker 1: To what's the best way for me to learn? What's
Speaker 1: the best relationship kind of paradigm for me? Is living
Speaker 1: in the country good for me? I know people have
Speaker 1: moved to the country to have a kind of a
Speaker 1: what do they call it a tree change, and they're
Speaker 1: back in fucking twelve months they go fuck the country
Speaker 1: and then you go up there, you're like, this is
Speaker 1: the best shit ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seventeen years.
Speaker 1: That's it, mate. It's just everyone trying to figure out
Speaker 1: how they best fit and how they best work. In
Speaker 1: the middle of all of this overwhelm of you should
Speaker 1: do this, you should do that, you shouldn't do those things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I know people who bought in the
Speaker 2: town that I live in during COVID they did the
Speaker 2: tree change, They got out of the Ring of Steel
Speaker 2: and they did the move and then they moved back
Speaker 2: to Melbourne. Yeah, they just don't you know. The lifestyle
Speaker 2: is just not to their liking. They don't have a
Speaker 2: ray of cafes to go down to and have their
Speaker 2: avocado on toast.
Speaker 1: Listen to you, listen to you. But I mean, but
Speaker 1: that's okay. Yeah, like not everyone. It's like I say
Speaker 1: to people all the time, don't fucking do what I do,
Speaker 1: like you would hate it, Like it works for me,
Speaker 1: And I don't think, oh, Craig's got it right. I
Speaker 1: look at people who go out and get shit faced
Speaker 1: and talk all night for seven hours and fucking party
Speaker 1: on and have the best time, and part of me
Speaker 1: is a bit jealous. I definitely don't want to do
Speaker 1: that because I'm not wired that way. But I definitely
Speaker 1: look at people who do that and have the best
Speaker 1: time ever and go fuck good for them. That's amazing.
Speaker 2: That's their idea of a good time. I went to
Speaker 2: bed at ten o'clock on New Year's Eve. I had
Speaker 2: some friends over. We played some board games, had a
Speaker 2: bit of a laugh, listened to some vinyl records. I
Speaker 2: managed to draw some vinyl records from a neighbor recently,
Speaker 2: including Elton John's Yellow Brick Road eight, an eight box
Speaker 2: set of the Beatles, and the record we were listening
Speaker 2: to was seventies disco music. It was great. So and
Speaker 2: then I went to bed like just after ten clock.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not a New Year's Eve person. Well,
Speaker 2: I guess you had an early night too, I'm assuming
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did fuck all. I did fuck all.
Speaker 1: I was like, to me, it was Wednesday or Thursday
Speaker 1: or whatever it was, But that's okay. It's like I
Speaker 1: was talking with somebody about this, max this morning. In fact,
Speaker 1: I out of coffee with Maxie shout out to Maxie
Speaker 1: and yeah, like you mate, you go. I'm well aware
Speaker 1: that the way that I do things is not the
Speaker 1: way most people should. And I don't think I'm better
Speaker 1: or worse or special or I just know that. You know, firstly,
Speaker 1: I'm an old bloke who lives by himself. Don't fucking
Speaker 1: do what I do. It's like most people that listen
Speaker 1: to this show are not a version of me. So
Speaker 1: that's why, you know, I'm so fascinated with theory of mind,
Speaker 1: which is understanding other people's mind, understanding how other people think. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm not even that interested in the Craig experience. I'm
Speaker 1: more interested in why does Patrick think the way that
Speaker 1: he has? Why does he do this? And that? Not
Speaker 1: good or bad? No judgment, just curiosity, just awareness, Like
Speaker 1: what is it like for our listeners when you and
Speaker 1: I argue? And I love when we argue, by the way,
Speaker 1: I'm glad that we don't fucking agree on everything? Right?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What's that like for them? I think even when you
Speaker 1: and I going at it, I think, uh, is this
Speaker 1: good to listen to? Is this shit to listen to?
Speaker 1: You know? That other awareness, that kind of that kind
Speaker 1: of external self awareness it's called as well as metaperception
Speaker 1: of trying to have an understanding of what something is
Speaker 1: like for somebody else. You know, for me that's that's
Speaker 1: a fascination, but for other people understandably, they're like, shut
Speaker 1: the fuck up, past me a beer.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, it's I was actually just thinking in
Speaker 2: relation to, you know, where we're heading in the future,
Speaker 2: and how some of us are attracted to the likes
Speaker 2: of say technology, and other people are resistant to it.
Speaker 2: And sometimes you can put it into an age Brad.
Speaker 2: You can say, well, young people have grown up with tech,
Speaker 2: but I'm not a young person. You know, there weren't
Speaker 2: computers around when I first went to school, and yet
Speaker 2: I love tech, you know. And I have people, my peers,
Speaker 2: who say, oh, I'm technically illiterate. That's your choice to
Speaker 2: be technically illiterate. But I get it because you're now
Speaker 2: comfortable with it. You don't like it. But for me,
Speaker 2: you know, I think I've told this story before, and
Speaker 2: I know I'm getting off topic a little bit, But
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, we got our first VHS
Speaker 2: video recorder. It was an Achi and it cost a
Speaker 2: real lot of money. Do you remember the story? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I remember though. My old man used to anyway
Speaker 1: run a store where we sold those Ai vhs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were expensive. They were over one thousand dollars
Speaker 2: at that time, so we're talking in what the early eighties.
Speaker 2: You were paying over one thousand dollars. That's a lot
Speaker 2: of money for a working class family in Coburg. So
Speaker 2: Dad buys this Achai and it also had things on screen,
Speaker 2: so the counter was on screen whether we're going forward
Speaker 2: or backward. It was very high tech at the time.
Speaker 2: So the first week we had it, Mum and Dad
Speaker 2: get in the car to go shopping on a Saturday morning.
Speaker 2: Patrick gets the screwdriver out because I couldn't cope not
Speaker 2: knowing what was inside and how the mechanism worked. So
Speaker 2: I'm in the poor sucker and I've got all the
Speaker 2: screws out, I've got a handful of screws, I've got
Speaker 2: the cover off, and then Mum and Dad pulled back
Speaker 2: into the driveway. It's like, fuck, what am I going
Speaker 2: to do? So I throw the cover back on, put
Speaker 2: all the screws in the pocket and look guilty as
Speaker 2: shit when they walk back in, because Mum had left
Speaker 2: her purse and that's the reason they'd come back so quickly.
Speaker 2: And of course there's no way they knew what I
Speaker 2: was doing. I mean, I'd hidden the screwdriver and the bolt,
Speaker 2: the screws are all in the pocket. But Jesus shited myself.
Speaker 2: And then anyway, old, how old were you? Maybe thirty one?
Speaker 2: Probably about thirteen or fourteen, I guess at that time?
Speaker 1: Did you fuck it up? Or did you successfully reassemble it?
Speaker 2: Okay? I can tell you that I put it all
Speaker 2: back together again, but there was one screw left over,
Speaker 2: but that happens with everything ever taken. And not only
Speaker 2: did it keep working when I finally moved out of home,
Speaker 2: like a decade later they gave it to me to
Speaker 2: take with me because it still worked.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Hey, you tell me about on my little
Speaker 1: list of things that we haven't covered of yours hiring
Speaker 1: a robot.
Speaker 2: Yes, so in China, if you're having a meeting or
Speaker 2: a wedding, you cannot now hire a robot. So there's
Speaker 2: a Chinese firm called Aggie Bot and they're humanoid robot rentals.
Speaker 2: So the price of the rental is dependent on what
Speaker 2: the robot model is and what you wanted to do.
Speaker 2: But they're actually entering the economy in a big way.
Speaker 2: They're not cheap. But basically this has only just happened,
Speaker 2: so this is going to be new. So for a
Speaker 2: lot of people, there's sixteen different event duties that they
Speaker 2: can be deployed for, so weddings, business meetings, concerts, trade shows.
Speaker 2: The Chinese rental market is fascinating. So rather than buying
Speaker 2: a robot, you pay about one hundred and thirty eight
Speaker 2: dollars a day US and you can like, if it's
Speaker 2: a robot dog, it's going to cost you one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirty eight bucks. But if you wanted a one
Speaker 2: of the have you seen the Uni tree U two
Speaker 2: dancing robots. They're awesome, they look fantastic. That's going to
Speaker 2: cost you about six hundred and ninety dollars per day. Okay,
Speaker 2: so wow, This really depends on what you want the
Speaker 2: robot dog to do or the robot dancer to do.
Speaker 2: But how interesting is that? I reckon? I would do that? Definitely.
Speaker 2: I would hire it for a day. I'd try before
Speaker 2: I buy. That would be a me thing, definitely. But
Speaker 2: isn't that interesting that it's now become a thing in
Speaker 2: China that you go and you rent a robot for
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 1: I would love that. And you know what would be
Speaker 1: even cooler is once they've got a lot of tech
Speaker 1: right and they can move around and do stuff and
Speaker 1: whatever you need them to do, clean or vacuum or
Speaker 1: chat to you or change the channel or whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck it is, then they start to build retro models
Speaker 1: that look like R two, D two and C three po. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So, Like.
Speaker 1: I was listening to another podcast and they were talking
Speaker 1: about this Patrick, you know, humanoid robots, and the guy
Speaker 1: who is the I forget his name, the boss of
Speaker 1: in video. He was talking about all the potential he
Speaker 1: was talking about all the jobs that are going to
Speaker 1: go away, but all the jobs that will come. And
Speaker 1: he's like, but well with all the robots. He's like,
Speaker 1: even think about this. People are going to have personal robots.
Speaker 1: And he goes, you know what's going to become a market?
Speaker 1: He goes, clothing for robots. What people dress their robots in? Right,
Speaker 1: There'll be whole lines of clothing for you to I'm like,
Speaker 1: I never thought of that, and he's like, I know,
Speaker 1: that seems crazy, it's absolutely going to happen. Have you
Speaker 1: seen people dress their dogs? I'm like, well, I've seen
Speaker 1: Patrick dress his dog. So if people are dressing fucking animals,
Speaker 1: then people. Yeah. So it's like that. That just fascinating me,
Speaker 1: the the development and the accelerated kind of rate at
Speaker 1: which everything is happening. I'll tell you one quick thing,
Speaker 1: which you'll probably be all over, But so Melissa's gone down.
Speaker 1: Melissa for those three of you who don't know who
Speaker 1: Melissa is, runs my life, is my business partner. She's
Speaker 1: one hundred years younger than me, smarter than me. I'm
Speaker 1: not even being nice to her and bad to me.
Speaker 2: She just is.
Speaker 1: But she's down. The AI rabbit hole At the moment,
Speaker 1: Patrick building AI agents for our business, and she's trying
Speaker 1: to explain to me, right, which is like me trying
Speaker 1: to explain to my mum the functional anatomy of a
Speaker 1: deadlift or a squat or something. But anyway, so one
Speaker 1: of the things that she's building is an agent that
Speaker 1: basically runs the you project from a behind the scenes
Speaker 1: point of view. So it's currently being trained on the
Speaker 1: kind of guests that we want the language to use.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a template to send out, but it
Speaker 1: personalizes it somewhat and like all of these variables that
Speaker 1: will basically save us having an employee from doing that thing.
Speaker 1: And as we've said before, so then you've got this
Speaker 1: agent or this employee in inverted commas that doesn't get tired,
Speaker 1: that doesn't get sick, that doesn't need holiday pay, that
Speaker 1: doesn't you know, have emotional and psychological and relationship issues.
Speaker 1: So that the stuff that's being developed right now that's
Speaker 1: going to become commonplace. I don't think we can even
Speaker 1: even now compared to five years ago.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, it is, yeah, and it looked at some
Speaker 2: great useful tools out there, But it also means that
Speaker 2: there's going to be a lot of people out of
Speaker 2: work as well. I think did we talk about this
Speaker 2: earlier that there were fifty thousand jobs lost to right
Speaker 2: by in the US, I think it's over. It might
Speaker 2: have been fifty five thousand jobs last year, So twenty
Speaker 2: twenty five were lost to AI, is what you know.
Speaker 2: And in some employment research company was put out basically
Speaker 2: fifty five thousand jobs out. But you know, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about clothing for robots. So I'm going back a
Speaker 2: little bit because I do you have your news resolution?
Speaker 2: I know you spend a lot of time planning the future,
Speaker 2: and you usually use New Year's Day and you really
Speaker 2: think through all of that, which I don't normally do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm less kind of New Year's these days, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always kind of thinking about and whether or not
Speaker 1: it's January one or December twenty three or but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always kind of I have yearly, weekly goals, monthly goals,
Speaker 1: yearly goals, So yeah, I'm because hopefully my PhD is
Speaker 1: finished in the next month or so, that's the plan anyway,
Speaker 1: and beyond that they're a goals.
Speaker 2: So yes, well, no, in about November last year, even
Speaker 2: before November last year, I was reading a few articles
Speaker 2: on fast fashion and I thought to myself, I've got
Speaker 2: so many clothes I don't need to buy any new clothes.
Speaker 2: So for twenty twenty six, I've decided I'm not going
Speaker 2: to buy a new item of clothing for the next
Speaker 2: twelve months. And so I scattered out my local op
Speaker 2: shop to see if there's anything there that I might
Speaker 2: want to wear in case I do need a new top.
Speaker 2: But that's my little pledge to myself, just to stop
Speaker 2: fast fashion and kind of keep using my current clothing.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that's my little promise to myself not
Speaker 2: to buy any clothing except for footwear, because of course,
Speaker 2: you know, particularly if you've got pronate feet, you need
Speaker 2: to make sure you've got the right footwear. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's my little pledge to myself.
Speaker 1: I hope you've got a lot of jocks in the cupboard.
Speaker 2: Actually I have a lot of jocks, and I get
Speaker 2: my jocks from an Australian company that manufactures locally. I
Speaker 2: think that's really important too.
Speaker 1: So wow, what are they called? Give them a shout out?
Speaker 2: Aussie bum, Aussie bum? You started a couple of gay guys.
Speaker 2: Do you know what can I tell you this story?
Speaker 2: It's getting bit personal here. One of the reasons I
Speaker 2: started wearing them is, well, you remember the old advertising
Speaker 2: for cross your Heart bras and women who have supported
Speaker 2: bras for when they run to keep everything you know
Speaker 2: in place.
Speaker 1: I don't think you needed to explain the second bit.
Speaker 1: I think we could have just said supported bras. Yep,
Speaker 1: we're with you, just trying to spell create a picture
Speaker 1: for everyone. Pretty sure we don't need that.
Speaker 2: Well, these jobs, there's there's a particular range of these
Speaker 2: underwear that have a supporting cup in them as well
Speaker 2: to keep it.
Speaker 1: I love how to our listeners, Patrick's holding his hand
Speaker 1: out like with his palm up like he's supporting a
Speaker 1: cock and some testicles. Yep, thanks fucking hell. Can you
Speaker 1: cut out the visuals today? I haven't had brecky yet, but.
Speaker 2: I still a lot of paragliding and rock climbing, and
Speaker 2: keeping the boys in the right position when you're wearing
Speaker 2: a harness is pretty damn important.
Speaker 1: Can I just say, nobody in the history of probably
Speaker 1: any show has ever started a sentence with but I
Speaker 1: used to do a lot of paragliding and hang gliding,
Speaker 1: rock climbing, now rock climbing.
Speaker 2: Rock climbing, gliding and rock climbing, and those are sports
Speaker 2: where you need to have very good undergarments to make
Speaker 2: sure you don't.
Speaker 1: So what do you what are you saying that you're
Speaker 1: well and doubt?
Speaker 2: Is that the is that the I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: at all. I'm just saying that you're still going to
Speaker 2: keep the boys in place?
Speaker 1: Well, what's wrong?
Speaker 2: Have you been climbing before? Have you worn climbing harness?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: You do not want to slip out of your climbing
Speaker 2: harness and get something caught in that strap of the harness.
Speaker 2: You've got to be pretty.
Speaker 1: I'm just a free range climber. I'm like an orangutan.
Speaker 1: You fucking scale up?
Speaker 2: Shit, how do we even get there? So anyway, I
Speaker 2: buy a local and I try to buy Australian may
Speaker 2: where possible. But this year, no, I have got enough
Speaker 2: jocks to keep me through the year. I reckon Crago.
Speaker 1: Talk to us about AI pro AI prompt. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking taking a left turn AI prompt. So when we
Speaker 1: I think being able to write a good prompt makes
Speaker 1: all the difference, because sometimes and a prompt everybody we're
Speaker 1: just talking about when we're asking chat GPT your question
Speaker 1: or we want it to do something or give it
Speaker 1: an instruction, or any AI for that matter. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I've found that the quality of what I tell it
Speaker 1: to do or ask it to do makes a huge
Speaker 1: difference to the output it does.
Speaker 2: AI prompting is really interesting because I tend to use
Speaker 2: AI for the most part visually, so if I'm trying
Speaker 2: to edit an image, you know, or trying to create
Speaker 2: something that involves visual aspect. But AI prompting, it's this
Speaker 2: is a skill to it, isn't there getting the prompt
Speaker 2: right and getting it And I don't look, I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's any real secret to it. I think
Speaker 2: being you don't want to be too long winded. One
Speaker 2: of an article I was reading with someone saying, one
Speaker 2: of the mistakes you can make is being too detailed
Speaker 2: when doing an AI prompt. If you do that, you
Speaker 2: can kind of overcomplicate things by trying to say too
Speaker 2: much and maybe start off with very simple basic prompts
Speaker 2: and then if you need to, you know, to kind
Speaker 2: of get more detailed, do it that way. But sometimes
Speaker 2: you can go too long and be concerned about Yeah,
Speaker 2: the detail don't get bogged down in the detail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And also sometimes yes is the answer. And also
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm writing something and i'm writing a let's say,
Speaker 1: a piece about decision making or something, and I'm using
Speaker 1: metaphors and analogies, and then I'm trying to figure out
Speaker 1: one and I might write nine sentences and I need
Speaker 1: a banger last sentence, so I just go, I put
Speaker 1: it in, see what it says. And so quite often
Speaker 1: it will give a last sentence that's totally out of
Speaker 1: kilter with the nine that I've done. Like I'm writing
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek. It's it's like you have to figure
Speaker 1: it's not clear, and then it writes the clear obvious.
Speaker 1: So it takes a different style altogether. And while the
Speaker 1: sentence kind of makes sense as a reading experience, it
Speaker 1: totally doesn't fit.
Speaker 2: Ye.
Speaker 1: So you've really got to go, Okay, I want you
Speaker 1: to write a bit about this, but it's got to
Speaker 1: be it's got to be it's got to be accurate.
Speaker 1: But also it's got to be fun, it's got to be.
Speaker 1: You know, tongue in cheek it's a bit cheeky da
Speaker 1: data And even then it's like, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of like creative things. It's not very good.
Speaker 2: Interestingly, Sam Altman, who is the genius, I guess behind
Speaker 2: one of the largest AI models, he's saying his vision
Speaker 2: for AI in the future is where it remembers everything
Speaker 2: and you basically put your whole life into it. Everything
Speaker 2: you've ever written, everything you've ever said. So we'd put
Speaker 2: all of your podcasts in there, all of the emails
Speaker 2: you've ever seen, and it would remember that. Because at
Speaker 2: the moment, it kind of doesn't really do that, and
Speaker 2: I don't know that fills me with a little bit
Speaker 2: of dread. Would you want every single thing you've ever
Speaker 2: emailed out, everything you've ever done, because really, if someone
Speaker 2: was going to mimic you, or someone was going to
Speaker 2: assist you, if you had the ultimate AI assistant, they
Speaker 2: would need the full picture, not a sanitized version of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I get what you're saying. I'm not too
Speaker 1: worried about that. I guess some people be real worried
Speaker 1: about that. I don't think there's too much that's fucking
Speaker 1: incriminating or but but what I think about you know
Speaker 1: how we're kind of handing out a lot of information
Speaker 1: to AI, or we're kind of outsourced. It seems like
Speaker 1: we're outsourcing thinking, right, Oh, I don't want to think.
Speaker 1: I'll let it think for me, which I understand that
Speaker 1: and I do actually think depending on how it's used,
Speaker 1: it can be a negative and it can as you
Speaker 1: suggested earlier, there's definitely that, Not that it makes people dumber,
Speaker 1: because IQ is IQ, but I think that it can
Speaker 1: have a negative impact on cognitive function even the structure
Speaker 1: of the brain. Like somebody uses their brain a lot,
Speaker 1: their brain looks different to someone who doesn't use their
Speaker 1: brain a lot. Like there's just a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot more neural pathways, a lot of different stuff physiologically
Speaker 1: and anatomically going on. But I think like for me
Speaker 1: using AI, my brain's working more than ever because I'm
Speaker 1: not only am I it makes it gives me more
Speaker 1: time to do other stuff where I am using my brain,
Speaker 1: whereas it can give me a short cut and it
Speaker 1: can give me an answer to something quite quickly, which
Speaker 1: then I have to verify, of course. But also I'm
Speaker 1: constantly thinking about how do I use this tool optimally,
Speaker 1: Like it's not a rep placement for thinking or for
Speaker 1: my brain or for my knowledge. For me, it's just
Speaker 1: a tool that I can use to do more shit
Speaker 1: and create better outcomes. And it's like, well, sure you
Speaker 1: can cut those bits of wood with that ten and saw,
Speaker 1: it's going to take you five hours, or you can
Speaker 1: use this circular saw. It's going to take you five minutes.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, but now someone's losing a job because
Speaker 1: they're not. No, now we're just all going to use
Speaker 1: these circular saws. Now it's much more efficient. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think every I think with everything. You know,
Speaker 1: when rock and mole music came in, it's like it's
Speaker 1: the end of the world.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: When computers came in, people are like, oh, that's not
Speaker 1: going to take on the internet. That was never going
Speaker 1: to work. And I don't know, I just think everybody
Speaker 1: has a negative bent when new things kind of emerge.
Speaker 2: And I had an employee who left last year who
Speaker 2: was with me for about four year years and he
Speaker 2: obviously used a calculator a lot, and we would do
Speaker 2: an end of month's summary of the work that he
Speaker 2: did and come up with totals and all. We're doing
Speaker 2: proposals and we'd have to work out what the you know,
Speaker 2: we're going to quote for a job. Interestingly, I always
Speaker 2: like the challenge of adding up sums in my head,
Speaker 2: just occasionally. But his total reliance on the calculator, and
Speaker 2: I mean a physical, literal calculator, either the on screen
Speaker 2: or he had a calculator on his desk. And this
Speaker 2: is old tech we're talking about now, But the reality
Speaker 2: was that even simple sums he would use in the calculator,
Speaker 2: so that part of his processing brain that did sums
Speaker 2: he just didn't want to use. He just used an
Speaker 2: electronic device. Now, calculators has been out forever, you know,
Speaker 2: they've been out. You know, we grew up with them
Speaker 2: at school. But what does that actually say about the
Speaker 2: brain's ability to do that, you know, to process and
Speaker 2: to take figures. You know, a local supermarket a little
Speaker 2: while ago, the checkout girl was trying to work out
Speaker 2: the price or something and that wasn't in the system,
Speaker 2: and there were a number of them, and she was
Speaker 2: sitting there like she couldn't do anything, she couldn' add
Speaker 2: them up. And I said, well it's this. It was
Speaker 2: a really not relatively simple I mean obviously, and I
Speaker 2: think it was a percentage of something or or a
Speaker 2: half price and then add something else. I can't even
Speaker 2: remember what the sum was, but it was a pretty
Speaker 2: easy one to work out. But she just stood there
Speaker 2: dumbfounded because she a when I gave her the answer,
Speaker 2: she couldn't use it because she couldn't verify it, and
Speaker 2: b ended up having to get someone over to reset
Speaker 2: her computer so she could put it in and recalculate it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: But it was, yeah, I'm with you, But then I think, Okay,
Speaker 1: so the person who can't add maths, you give them
Speaker 1: a canvas and some paint, and they paint something fucking
Speaker 1: phenomenal that I couldn't even begin, Like, I'm really good
Speaker 1: at maths, but that's my default setting. It's not because
Speaker 1: I try to be like I'm that's the way my
Speaker 1: brain works, But some people's Like one of my friends
Speaker 1: is dyslexic. He's a fifty year old grown ass man
Speaker 1: and he struggles to read a paragraph. But that's the
Speaker 1: way his brain works. But you give him some shit
Speaker 1: to build, He'll build a fucking house in an afternoon,
Speaker 1: and I'll still be trying to figure out how the
Speaker 1: hammer works. So intelligence is on a spectrum. And just
Speaker 1: because I think some people using a calculator is the
Speaker 1: right thing, and I don't think I know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: but you're probably naturally good at maths. I'm naturally good
Speaker 1: at maths, but then there are things that I'm not
Speaker 1: naturally good at which I avoid.
Speaker 2: And I go more than you'll lose it. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was thinking the use it or lose it kind of
Speaker 2: mentality in terms of that side of it. But you're right.
Speaker 2: In fact, the person that I'm thinking of was amazingly
Speaker 2: is amazingly talented and creative.
Speaker 1: So there are so many creative geniuses who are academically
Speaker 1: not brilliant.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Hey, just can we get onto
Speaker 2: a different topic. I've got this really interesting tech gadgets,
Speaker 2: and I thought, if there's a couple of little gadgets
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about. But this seems to make so
Speaker 2: much sense to me. I've never even thought about it before.
Speaker 2: You can buy a smart jar lid. Okay, so thinking
Speaker 2: a smart jar lid that uses UV light to keep
Speaker 2: your food fresher longer. So if you've got stuff that
Speaker 2: you're putting in the fridge and you put this lid on,
Speaker 2: it emits ultraviolet light to stop bacteria growing. So obviously
Speaker 2: putting things in the fridge will prolong how long it
Speaker 2: will last because it slows down any movement by bacteria
Speaker 2: or any growth by bacteria. But the addition of a
Speaker 2: smart lid that just shines UV light onto the top
Speaker 2: of whatever it is. Because if you've got a jar
Speaker 2: of jam and you know you spring, the top of
Speaker 2: the bacterial will form at the top because the bottom
Speaker 2: hasn't got any air exposed to it. It's just the
Speaker 2: top part. So how good is that idea? Having a
Speaker 2: UV light just in the jar the lid of your jar.
Speaker 1: Wow, imagine opening the fridge. There's all these little kind
Speaker 1: of looks like science experiments in your fridge. There's just
Speaker 1: all these little illuminated fucking jars of shit. So it's
Speaker 1: not at all.
Speaker 2: It looks like the YouTube podcast backdrop that you've got
Speaker 2: on your screen. So that's glowing blue. There's an ultra
Speaker 2: violet to keep you fresher.
Speaker 1: That is. Yes, I'm actually two under thirteen years old.
Speaker 1: Just unless it comes every day and sprays me with
Speaker 1: something I'm not sure what it is. Yeah, it turns
Speaker 1: on the UV just to get the bacteria off me.
Speaker 2: So Craig is using a fake background on his zoom
Speaker 2: could we not say fake.
Speaker 1: Can we just say it's a virtual it's a virtual studio.
Speaker 2: Fake, it's not real. It's fake. It's just a projected image.
Speaker 2: But it's very blue and it looks like UV. And
Speaker 2: now it suddenly occurred to me that he's probably using
Speaker 2: it to just keep himself fresh.
Speaker 1: It's a real image.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, other So I know we're running out of time,
Speaker 2: but it's going to tell you. You know, China is
Speaker 2: now officially saying that any cars so predominantly electric car
Speaker 2: companies that have recessed door handles. So in a lot
Speaker 2: of cars, including Tesla, there are recessed handles you kind
Speaker 2: of tap and then they come out of the side
Speaker 2: of the car, so it's for screamlining. The problem is
Speaker 2: if something happens to the battery and the power, then
Speaker 2: the handle won't come out. And so authorities in China
Speaker 2: are saying this is still a couple of years away.
Speaker 2: They're saying from twenty twenty seven, any car sold in
Speaker 2: China has to have a manual door release after electronic
Speaker 2: handles were failing during crashes. So that's an in one.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good decision.
Speaker 1: I've heard about that I've heard about people who had
Speaker 1: accidents and couldn't get out of the fucking car because
Speaker 1: it was all locked electronically and all the electronics were down.
Speaker 1: So though were just quickly on cars and China and electronics.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw the news last night,
Speaker 1: I'm doubting not so byd the biggest seller of electric
Speaker 1: cars in the world.
Speaker 2: Now, oh yeah, that doesn't SPA. So it was.
Speaker 1: Tesla I think probably in Australia as well. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: they they yeah, they're killing it. At the moment that
Speaker 1: some of the Chinese stuff that's coming out, I know,
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, it's junk. It's like, dude, some
Speaker 1: of the stuff is so fucking amazing. Like if you
Speaker 1: just objectively, you know, cars are an interesting thing. I'll
Speaker 1: talk for thirty seconds then back to you. But I've
Speaker 1: always thought cars are fascinating in that how much of
Speaker 1: an emotional attachment, not all, not you, not me, probably,
Speaker 1: but like people having them. Oh i've got a MERK
Speaker 1: or I've got a BM or Traditionally those European cars
Speaker 1: that were very aspirational, Oh look he's got this or
Speaker 1: she's got that, right, but the actual car wasn't that
Speaker 1: fucking amazing. You know, there were Mazdas that you could
Speaker 1: buy for thirty grand less. Like, you've got a Mazda,
Speaker 1: which is a fucking amazing car. Yeah, I've got a
Speaker 1: Hyundai which is Santa Fe, which is better than some
Speaker 1: of my friends fucking two hundred thousand dollars SUVs. They
Speaker 1: get in my car, which costs less than half of
Speaker 1: what theirs did, and they're like, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is fucking space age. I'm like, yeah, made in Korea.
Speaker 2: Bro.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like it's just that psychology of where
Speaker 1: is this made, and therefore it must be, you know,
Speaker 1: especially with things like cars, where there are no ASI
Speaker 1: cars anymore, So fucking why whatever you're going to buy?
Speaker 2: My first car was amazing. You know, it's funny you
Speaker 2: say that because I bought my very first brand new
Speaker 2: car because I'd never bought a brand new car before
Speaker 2: until just after COVID, when it was very hard to
Speaker 2: buy a brand new cars. But also the second hand
Speaker 2: car market had gone through the roof. So for me,
Speaker 2: I thought, I'm not gonna waste money on a second
Speaker 2: hand carsick at end problems, and I found a demo
Speaker 2: model of a particular mas to the Mix thirty. But
Speaker 2: what I love about it is it's got They call
Speaker 2: them freedom doors, but everybody in the world calls them
Speaker 2: suicide doors. You know the doors. The doors open up
Speaker 2: the opposite way, and I think that you know why
Speaker 2: they called them suicide doors.
Speaker 1: I'm sure because well, so, just to reiterate what Patrick
Speaker 1: said to everyone, So it's like, the door opens the
Speaker 1: opposite way. So instead of you know, like if you
Speaker 1: went up, you know, you open the handle, if you
Speaker 1: went up to the other end of the door, it
Speaker 1: opens like where you're opening the door to the world.
Speaker 1: Not yeah, so I guess it's because you were, in
Speaker 1: some instances basically committing suicide to step out into the traffic.
Speaker 2: No, well, yeah, kind of. So in the olden days,
Speaker 2: the front doors would open the normal way that front
Speaker 2: door would, but the back doors would be hinged at
Speaker 2: the rear and flip open. But because people didn't have seatbell,
Speaker 2: occasionally the mechanism would fail and while they were driving
Speaker 2: the rear door the suicide door would flick open, and
Speaker 2: they would reach to grab it to stop it flicking open,
Speaker 2: and it would drag them out of the car. So
Speaker 2: people died grabbing for the rear door that flicked open
Speaker 2: the wrong way. But what I was getting at is
Speaker 2: I've never gone for brands. My first car was a Mazda,
Speaker 2: and then I had a run of cars. I've only
Speaker 2: had four cars, Craig go, I know, you can't believe
Speaker 2: that I've only ever owned four cars in my whole life.
Speaker 2: First three were secondhand and I had them for ages.
Speaker 2: In fact, I still got my Nissan. That's I think
Speaker 2: I've had for thirty two years sitting in my driveway anyway.
Speaker 2: But the Mazda is my most recent car, and it's
Speaker 2: those things that I like about it. It's got analogue still,
Speaker 2: so I've got knobs to control the volume, to turn
Speaker 2: the temperature up and down. I like that it's still
Speaker 2: a hybrid between and it is literally a hybrid, but
Speaker 2: it's got a lot of analog as well as digital.
Speaker 2: So it's got the heads up display and all the
Speaker 2: fun things that I love. But it's still not quite
Speaker 2: a scream like an iPad sitting on a dash, which
Speaker 2: is what the Tesla is. So I think I like
Speaker 2: that combination of tech but analogue as well. That's kind
Speaker 2: of does it for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that visceral experience of twisting a nob
Speaker 1: or sliding something across something that's physical, that I can
Speaker 1: give us one more than I've got to go.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is great move over. Bluetooth wired headphones are
Speaker 2: back and they're super cool. So I watched the last
Speaker 2: episode of Stranger Things last night.
Speaker 1: Can I just stop you? Did you say wired? W
Speaker 1: ir ed or wid no?
Speaker 2: Wired? So it's become a lot of Hollywood celebrities and
Speaker 2: now going back to their headphones with a chord on them.
Speaker 2: So tis well, it's just the cool, trendy, hip thing
Speaker 2: to do. Man, if you're one of the latest trendy
Speaker 2: young kids out there, We've got CDs, we've got cassettes,
Speaker 2: and we've got wired headphones.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's just the trendy thing to do. Man,
Speaker 1: is not a trend not a trendy sentence? Patrick, Where
Speaker 1: can people find you and connect with you?
Speaker 2: Well, they can go to websites now, dot com, dot
Speaker 2: au if they want to kind of just chat. Give
Speaker 2: us some topics to talk about. If you want us
Speaker 2: to talk about something in particular that's tech related, then
Speaker 2: I'll I'll research it, I will and I'll read more
Speaker 2: than one paper about it too, Craigo.
Speaker 1: That'd be great. Or if there's something you think Patrick
Speaker 1: and I should argue about, just same. It's beautiful. I
Speaker 1: love it all right, mate, fast recovery to Fritzie as well.
Speaker 2: Fretzie for a lick then, just as you were talking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, stop licking that ship, all right mate. I'll see
Speaker 1: you soon, do mate,