1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,759 Speaker 1: The story of the morning has been as you've heard 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: on five double A News Antie, Israeli protesters pro Palestinian 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: groups will stage a rally outside Parliament House after gaining 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: approval from State Parliament. The rally will be held on 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: the Monday, the public holiday. Here At this coming Monday, 6 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: it's the first anniversary of the October seventh terror attacked 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: and in Israel, saw twelve hundred people murdered, many raped, 8 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: and the murders absolutely horrific. It's one of several being 9 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: staged around Australia. There are calls to stop it. Upper 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: House MP Frank Pangala, you may have heard him on 11 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,840 Speaker 1: five double A Breakfast a little bit earlier this morning. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: The Police Commissioner was on as well, Grant Stephens, saying 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: that he has it's his job to make sure the 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: protest is peaceful and compliant. How did it come that 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 1: State Parliament gave approval an officer in there. Let's go 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: straight to the Premier, Peter Melanowskas, who is on his 17 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: way to the South these this morning. 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: Premier, good morning, Good. 19 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 3: Morning, Matthew, good morning to your listeners. 20 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,960 Speaker 2: Can you stop this protest? 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: No, as a matter of law, we don't have the 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: power to do that. There are the protests in the 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: status out Australia, governed by a piece of legislation called 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 3: the Public Assemblies Act, and only the Police Commissioner has 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: the power to stop a protest under the Public Assemblies Act. 26 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 3: The Parliament has granted approval to be on the steps 27 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 3: of Parliament, but that's a more of a perfunctory exercise 28 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 3: as this thing from the Parliament having ability to not 29 00:01:37,840 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: approve it. 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: So if it's not held there, presumably they'll be able 31 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: to go somewhere else and hold it Victoria Square where 32 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: that's right. 33 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: Like I said, the Police Commissioner have you authority to 34 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: stop a protest if there is reason to believe that 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 3: there is a threat to the rule of law, whether 36 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: it be through violent means or otherwise, and if anything 37 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 3: occurs that suggests that that would be the case, then 38 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 3: of course the power the police have the powers to intervene. 39 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 3: In fact, we beefed up the protest laws people will 40 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 3: remember for breaches of the Public Assemblies Act, so the 41 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: protests will happen, but you know, presumably let me just 42 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 3: say this though Matthew, and I've expressed this to the 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: leaders of the Jewish Committee this morning. These protests as 44 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: are crazy. I mean, the other whole idea of people 45 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: holding protests ordinarily is to try and win over hearts 46 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 3: and minds, and the people who are engaging these protests 47 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: on October the seven, if they think they're winning over 48 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 3: the hearts and minds of any reasonable and fair mind 49 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: in Australia, they are absolutely kidding themselves. I think for 50 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 3: these people to have these protests in October seven isn't 51 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: just grossly insensitive, it's reckless and irresponsible. And I would 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 3: call on them to exercise better judgment and not abuse 53 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: the privileges that are afforded to them in a life 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 3: democracy by seeking to offend others, but rather show a 55 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: degree of human empathy towards another community. It was so 56 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: grossly and adversely affected as a result of terrorist acts. 57 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: It begs the question, then, do we need legislation where 58 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: whether it's the premiere of the day or the Police 59 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: Commissioner of the day makes a call because it is, 60 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: to quote you there grossly insensitive and irresponsible. Somebody makes 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: that call that this is just not appropriate on this day. 62 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: Have you protest the day after the day before a 63 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:30,959 Speaker 1: week's time. 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 2: Whatever. 65 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: Well, I think the issue is, Matthew, is you don't 66 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: want to live in a country or a society where 67 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: politicians choose you what protests they like and they don't like, 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 3: because most of the time the protests are against politicians 69 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: and themselves. And in fact we go down that path, 70 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: then we're sort of starting to head towards Hamas's Gaza 71 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: or Putin's Russia. So I think what we're going to 72 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: do is make sure the rule of law is upheld. 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: We beefed up the protest was. In fact, your listeners 74 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: probably remember when I was up the protest laws, some 75 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 3: of the people who are participating in these very protests 76 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: were complaining about it. In fact, more than that, Frank 77 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: Pinello himself protested against the protest laws, saying that the 78 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 3: Premier shouldn't be able to stop a protest. And now 79 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: Frank peen Gullo is asking for me to do exactly that. 80 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 3: So it's up for them to explain their hypocrisy. I 81 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: believe that at Australia we live in a liberal democracy. 82 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: People have the right protests. I might think that protest 83 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: is stupid, I might think it shouldn't go ahead and 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 3: in this case, that is certainly my view. But a 85 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 3: premiere saying that I'm going to stop a protest because 86 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 3: I don't like it obviously creates a pretty dangerous precedent. 87 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,119 Speaker 3: But let's be clear about something though. If these protesters 88 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 3: display any symbols or show any support for terrorist organizations 89 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: or terrorist leaders, alive or dead, then that is action 90 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: already in breach of the Summary Offenses Act, because you 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: cannot display support for terrorists for registered terroists organizations, which 92 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 3: of course HESBLA is. So if that occurs in breach 93 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 3: of the Summary Offenses Act, and I have no doubt 94 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 3: that the police would respond appropriately. 95 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: Should we look at that legislation on Nazi symbols and 96 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: include prescribed symbols from other organizations. 97 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,719 Speaker 3: Well, they sort of are largely covered by the Summary 98 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 3: Offenses Act. I've spoken to the Police Commission about that 99 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: this morning and he made that clear. A symbol in 100 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 3: support of HESBALA would be a simbilar in resport of 101 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: a terrorist organization that is not lawful in the state 102 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:40,000 Speaker 3: of South Australia, and someone displaying those symbols will mean 103 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: that police will ask them to comply with the law 104 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 3: and they refuse to do so, then they would be 105 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 3: in breach of the summary effects his act, and police 106 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 3: would police accordingly. 107 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: Okay, you've spoken with Jewish leaders. Have you spoken with 108 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: any of the leaders of the Palestinian groups taking part? 109 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: No, I haven't mean. This was only drawn to my 110 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 3: attention late late yesterday, so I haven't open to any 111 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 3: of those Palestinian I saw the Palestinian leaders. But the 112 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 3: types of Palestinian leaders I speak to, I think have 113 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 3: the brains to know that this type of protest in 114 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: October seven is is just playing role. So I mean, 115 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 3: the thing I don't think I might mention is that 116 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 3: many of these people who are protests protesting, I think 117 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: a like well, sounds like a likely to protest in 118 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: October seven. I don't think even a Palestinian themselves. You know, 119 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 3: we see you know, people associated with uh, you know, 120 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: extremist groups engaging, and I think they're sort of people 121 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 3: who like to protest for the sac of protesting rather 122 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: than acting with sensitivity and human empathy. 123 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 2: And what did the Jewish leaders tell you? Who have 124 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 2: you spoken to there? 125 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 3: Norman Schuler? 126 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: Okay, he's coming on the program a bit later, so. 127 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: Well, Norman Norman. Norman had a good conversation with and 128 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 3: I think is is thoughtful and uh, you know, I 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: express to him. I think we expressed to each other 130 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 3: our relative concerns and I explained to the circumstances. And 131 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: there's a piece of work that I'm going to follow 132 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: up on in terms of the time that apparently is 133 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 3: allotted towards these groups on these days, but to the 134 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: Palestinian groups, because the Parliament belongs to everyone, not just 135 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: one protest group. But I've spoken to Norman and I'm 136 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: made clear that when it comes to these protests occurring 137 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: in October seven, the government is flatly opposed to them. 138 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: And you know, naturally we hope that the police and 139 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: enforced law appropriately, particularly when it comes to if there's 140 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: any display of terrorist symbols, including his blah. 141 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: My experience of Sergeant at Arms in Parliament, who I 142 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: understand gave the tick of approval to this protest, and 143 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: I did my work experience at Parliament House way back 144 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one. They're eminently sensible, intelligent people. But 145 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: should there be an oversight sort of committee or something 146 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: you don't want another committee for goodness sake, should looking 147 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: at these decisions. 148 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: I don't. I think this is this is this is 149 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: the part that I think there is not well understood. 150 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: People provide notification to the parliam they're going to be 151 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: on the steps, and what the Parliament seeks to do, 152 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,680 Speaker 3: not elected officers, may or any other politician, Liberal Labor 153 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 3: or whoever. Those parliamentary officials are trying to coordinate to 154 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: make sure that you know, if Matthew Penn tell us 155 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 3: wants to have a protest tomorrow, that you're not running 156 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 3: into another protest from me, who also wants to be 157 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 3: there at the same time. Is just trying to provide 158 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 3: a coordinating effort as this thing from lawfully permitting a protest, 159 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 3: but that the act of permitting of a protest permit 160 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 3: is afforded under the Public Assemblies Act. And that's quite 161 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: a sting from the Parliament. And that's where the Police 162 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 3: Commissioner has a role and can really only stop a 163 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 3: protest if there's a risk of the rule of law 164 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 3: being impeded. 165 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: All right, just on your way down to the southeast, 166 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: Troy Bell is obviously flavor of the months down there 167 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: at the moment, given the girl guilty verdict, would would 168 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,559 Speaker 1: you like to say vacate the seat of Mount Gambia. 169 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 3: Well, I think the people in Mount Gambia have said 170 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,959 Speaker 3: high quality representation. And you know this case has been 171 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 3: going for seven years and now looks said to continue 172 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 3: with an appeal. I guess you know. My visit about 173 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: Gambia today's on a range of matters that were set 174 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: up a long time ago. I've been coming down here 175 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 3: pretty frequently ever since I've been leader of the party, 176 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: including as a premier. If I came down here, I 177 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,559 Speaker 3: think within forty eight hours have been elected as Premier 178 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 3: or something to that effect. So we want to provide 179 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 3: the people of Mount Gambia high quality public policy and 180 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 3: that invites them to think about who they vote for 181 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 3: because the Liberal Party sort of got them into dismiss 182 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: and I feel for them in that regard. But of 183 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 3: Troy's actions, you know, for him to contemplate in accordance 184 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 3: with the law. But if he is found, you know, 185 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 3: if his appeal is not uphill, he'll get kicked out 186 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 3: of parlor. Then there'll be an election. I hope that 187 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: Troy continues to exercise his duty as he's required to 188 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 3: as an MP, and I understan that he's made Clees 189 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 3: and continue to do his work as an MP and 190 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 3: as he's been doing for the last seven years, which 191 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: very a bit different to the situation that people of 192 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 3: black have. I'm't too sure they've got a representative. He's 193 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:13,079 Speaker 3: doing their job from mister Spears, who no one seems 194 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 3: to know where he is. All a bit of a 195 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 3: mess at the moment. But these are all former liberal 196 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: and either liberal and PAS or former liberal and PAS, 197 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,319 Speaker 3: and they're matters that Vincent Cantazi can talk to it 198 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: more authority than I can. I've just got to do 199 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 3: my job and trying to run a government deals with 200 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,199 Speaker 3: challenges as they rise and grab opportunities when they present 201 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 3: themselves as well. 202 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: The other challenge down there. I spoke on Monday with 203 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: a farmer from Keith called Miles Hanneman, who painted a 204 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: pretty grim picture of local farmers in the area selling 205 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: off livestock because the feed is hard to get at 206 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: the moment. Rainfall has been you know, as you know 207 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: around our state particularly has been down and that's a 208 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: major issue for farmers down in the southeast. You're talking 209 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: to farmers while you're. 210 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,079 Speaker 3: There, I am, I'm meeting a group of farmers tomorrow morning. 211 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 3: In fact, this is it was planned some time ago, 212 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 3: but as we see the conditions become dryer, I did 213 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 3: want to make sure I speak to a collection of farmers, 214 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 3: and I'm meeting with a group of them tomorrow morning, 215 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: just to see along with the Minister for Primary Industries 216 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 3: Claire Skuban, who herself lives in the Limestome coast. So 217 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 3: the two of us are meeting with a group of 218 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 3: farmers tomorrow morning. 219 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: All right, Premier, appreciate your time. Glad you're taking the family. 220 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've got I'm sorry for the noise. It's good, 221 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: especially I've done a few radio interviews this morning and 222 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 3: he's decided to per cup at exactly the wrong time. 223 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: That's perfectly, that's great, that's George. I take it. Good 224 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: on your Premier. 225 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, Premier Peter mallenouscause son is way to 226 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 1: Mount Gambia at the southeast on those issues.