WEBVTT - Sharri | 10 June

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<v Speaker 1>Show this good evening.

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<v Speaker 2>Hope you've all had a lovely long weekend, but we've

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<v Speaker 2>got a lot to cover.

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel Andrews he should be facing a royal commission into

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<v Speaker 2>his handling of the pandemic, but instead Anthony Albanesi has

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<v Speaker 2>protected him from scrutiny, and instead Andrews is being awarded

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<v Speaker 2>King's birthday honors. The public anger today over this is palpable.

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<v Speaker 2>Also tonight, Peter d'artanez catching up to Albanesi in the polls,

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<v Speaker 2>but can he win the next election? He says, the

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<v Speaker 2>trend the momentum is in his favor. Political analysts would

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<v Speaker 2>join Meat to discuss, plus Peter Costello gone and now

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<v Speaker 2>Mike Sneezeby feels the heat as the Channel nine crisis continues.

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<v Speaker 2>But first tonight to the joy of the surprise hostage rescue,

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<v Speaker 2>Penny Wong's silence over the matter, and the Al Jazeera

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<v Speaker 2>journalist who was holding Jews care active all while reporting

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<v Speaker 2>on human rights abuses. On Saturday evening, we received the

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<v Speaker 2>news that we thought it would be impossible not to

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<v Speaker 2>celebrate the rescue of Noah Agamani. Just twenty five almog

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<v Speaker 2>Meyir twenty one years old, Andrew Koslov twenty seven, and

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<v Speaker 2>Schlummy Ziv forty. Yet there has not been a word

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<v Speaker 2>of joy or any welcoming the news from Penny Wong.

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<v Speaker 2>For eight long months, there'd been no news of these hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were grave fears for their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>Who could ever.

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<v Speaker 2>Forget Noah Agamani's face and she was ripped away from

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<v Speaker 2>her life as she knew it and forced onto the

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<v Speaker 2>back of a motorbike while her boyfriend was held at gunpoint.

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<v Speaker 2>The twenty five year old screamed and don't kill me

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<v Speaker 2>as she was kidnapped. The scenes of Noah's devastated father

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<v Speaker 2>crying went right around the royal right around the world,

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<v Speaker 2>as he begged as he cried how he was devastated.

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<v Speaker 2>He spoke about how he kept his daughter safe.

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<v Speaker 1>All of her life and now she was gone. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to.

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<v Speaker 2>The bravery of Israeli forces, Noah, almug Andre, and Shalom

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<v Speaker 2>were reunited with their families, and here are some of

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<v Speaker 2>those emotional moments there. The trauma to these families has

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<v Speaker 2>been indescribable. But where were three of these hostages hidden

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<v Speaker 2>in the home of a Palestinian journalist who'd written for

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<v Speaker 2>Al Jazeera and The Palestine Chronicle. Here was Abdullah al

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<v Speaker 2>Jamal's profile on Al Jazeera. In his articles, he regularly

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<v Speaker 2>wrote about so called Israeli human rights abuses and war crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>claims of starvation and genocide.

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<v Speaker 1>You wonder how the media get it so wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, perhaps it's because they're relying on first hand accounts

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<v Speaker 2>from hermask terrorists masquerading as journalists all the while holding

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli's hostage. Al Jamal's home was in the Nuzarat refugee camp.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where Harmas and Palestinian civilians were hiding these innocent

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<v Speaker 2>hostages inside a refugee camp. And the refugee camp has

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<v Speaker 2>been run by ANRA, the Unitedation's Relief and Works agency.

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<v Speaker 2>So what responsibility does the AID agency have here?

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<v Speaker 1>And why is Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Still sending millions of dollars to UNRA And why didn't

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<v Speaker 2>the Red Cross, UNRA or any other agency visit Noah

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<v Speaker 2>and the other hostages despite them being held captive inside

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<v Speaker 2>a refugee camp. We've even seen in the past two

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<v Speaker 2>days morally corrupt United Nations officials like the biased Francesca

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<v Speaker 2>Albanizi claim that the hostages were released released, well, that's

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<v Speaker 2>utter rubbish. Instead, it took a high risk operation by

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<v Speaker 2>heroic Israeli's special forces to free them. They were under

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<v Speaker 2>constant gunfire as they went into civilian buildings to save

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<v Speaker 2>the hostages, and under fire as they left. It was

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<v Speaker 2>something like out of the Netflix television show. Media reports

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<v Speaker 2>say that elite special forces blended easily with locals in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>posing as displaced Gazans or Hamas fighters, entering the refugee

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<v Speaker 2>camp in disguise and speaking the language fluently. One report

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<v Speaker 2>we can't verify it, but one report claimed they were

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<v Speaker 2>driving a white car loaded with mattresses and the women

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<v Speaker 2>were dressed in clothes similar to Palestinians. The Times of

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<v Speaker 2>Israel quoted as Saudi owned news channel and said that

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<v Speaker 2>according to the report, the special forces introduced themselves to

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<v Speaker 2>local residents as Palestinians escaping the Israeli Defense Forces operation

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<v Speaker 2>in Rafa, and said they'd rented a place in the

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<v Speaker 2>area around the market in Nuzarat, while pointing at the

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<v Speaker 2>building where hostage Noah Agamani was being held. The disguised

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<v Speaker 2>forces reportedly got out of their car and split into

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<v Speaker 2>two groups, each heading toward one of the two buildings

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<v Speaker 2>in preparation for the operation. Ultimately, one father, a hero,

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<v Speaker 2>arn On Zamora, lost his life and the operation to

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<v Speaker 2>rescue the hostages has now been renamed Operation Arnan in

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<v Speaker 2>his honor.

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<v Speaker 1>He leaves behind a wife and two children. At the

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<v Speaker 1>news of.

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<v Speaker 2>The hostage rescue on Saturday evening, there were celebrations across

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<v Speaker 2>Israel and even in Australia. I thought it was strange

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<v Speaker 2>that there was no statement or tweet from Australia's Foreign

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Penny Wong celebrating the release of the hostages. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a point the Daily Telegraph made on the weekend. How

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<v Speaker 2>could she not even welcome the news were two days on,

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<v Speaker 2>Pennywong still hasn't welcomed the news that four hostages, including

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<v Speaker 2>a twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>Five year old woman, were rescued.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead, we've only heard from her media advisor, her spokesperson

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<v Speaker 2>saying and I quote, we want to see all hostages released,

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<v Speaker 2>civilians protected, and parties agree to the ceasefire proposal presented

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<v Speaker 2>by President Biden. And then today Pennywog released a statement

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<v Speaker 2>saying she was sending Anne Ali, the first Muslim woman

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<v Speaker 2>elected to Federal Parliament to attend a conference on the.

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<v Speaker 1>Crisis in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Again in this press release today, no mention of the

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing terrorism against Israel, and Pennywong said this war must end.

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<v Speaker 2>The human suffering in Gaza is unacceptable. Australia has been

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<v Speaker 2>part of the international push for a ceasefire, for humanitarian

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<v Speaker 2>aid to reach Gazans in desperate need, and for hostages

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<v Speaker 2>to be released.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the same.

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<v Speaker 2>Press release ann Ali a labor and p said the

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<v Speaker 2>humanitarian situation in Gaza is catastrophic. Over one million Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>are facing catastrophic levels of food and security, and around

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<v Speaker 2>one point seven million people have been displaced many several

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<v Speaker 2>times over. Humanitarian access remains grossly inadequate. No mention there

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<v Speaker 2>of the need to destroy humas, the need to stop

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<v Speaker 2>the terrorism against the Jews, or demand the immediate release.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the hostages.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, when you look at it, it's actually quite

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<v Speaker 2>shocking how we've ended up living under such an extreme

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<v Speaker 2>anti Israel government. I mean, how did we end up

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<v Speaker 2>with a foreign minister who can't express any joy at

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<v Speaker 2>the extraordinary rescue under constant god fire of four hostages,

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<v Speaker 2>including a woman whose image went viral for the way

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<v Speaker 2>that she was brutally captured on October seven. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 2>worth reminding Pennywong that her Mus and the Palestinian civilians

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<v Speaker 2>holding these hostages could have released them at any point

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<v Speaker 2>over the past eight months, but they chose not to.

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<v Speaker 2>If Harmas freed all of the remaining one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty hostages right now and surrendered, the war would be over.

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<v Speaker 1>There would be no crisis in Gaza or in Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>It's curious there's so little pressure by the Albanese government

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<v Speaker 2>on Hermus to release the hostages and end the war. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>the pressure is overwhelmingly on Israel for daring to bring their.

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<v Speaker 1>Innocent people home.

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<v Speaker 2>The world's youngest hostage, Baby Kafir, was taken when he

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<v Speaker 2>was nine months old, along with his four year old

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<v Speaker 2>brother Ariel. They vanished into the depths of Gaza. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>given what we've just seen with the case of Noah

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<v Speaker 2>Agamani and the others, there will be Palestinian families and

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<v Speaker 2>possibly aid workers and possibly journalists who know where they

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<v Speaker 2>and the other hostages are. We cannot rest, we cannot

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<v Speaker 2>give up until baby Kafir and his beautiful family are

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<v Speaker 2>brought home. To give up on all of these innocent

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<v Speaker 2>families would be like leaving one hundred and twenty people

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<v Speaker 2>in a concentration camp. No one would dare suggest such

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<v Speaker 2>a thing, and no one should dare suggest that we

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<v Speaker 2>leave behind hostages.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Pennywog, who has visited Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel, should think twice before the demanding of Israel

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<v Speaker 2>an immediate ceasefire until all our hostages are home safe.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's bring in tonight's panel, sky News contributor

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Hildebrad and Sky News host Listora. Welcome to you both. Liz,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about this? I mean, it's so

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<v Speaker 2>hard to imagine. And I actually put questions to Pennywonk's

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<v Speaker 2>media advisor today saying is she happy? Is she joyful

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<v Speaker 2>at the release of these hostages?

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<v Speaker 1>And nothing? She can't even say she is.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>She's been very consistent for a long time now, and

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<v Speaker 4>the urban Eezi government has been very clearly throwing their

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<v Speaker 4>lot in with the UN, whether that's backing the calls

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<v Speaker 4>for ceasefire months ago or most recently recognizing Palestinian Palestine.

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<v Speaker 4>I should say not that it's a real place as

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<v Speaker 4>a sovereign state. And what I found really interesting about

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<v Speaker 4>this when we found three of those hostige is in.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the UN camps. It reminded me of all

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<v Speaker 1>the stories we've.

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<v Speaker 4>Heard of how complicit the UN has been on Palestine

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<v Speaker 4>side of things Throughout the IDF said that they found

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<v Speaker 4>one of the terrorist tunnels underneath the UN headquarters in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>We know that twelve of unra's.

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<v Speaker 4>Employees were actively involved in the atrocities of October seven.

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<v Speaker 4>IDF claims that there's actually more of them working there.

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<v Speaker 1>They say up to fifty percent of.

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<v Speaker 4>Unra's employees have close ties to either of the terrorist

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<v Speaker 4>groups operating in the region. And now we're sending ann Ali,

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<v Speaker 4>who remember, condemned Israel along.

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<v Speaker 1>With ed Husak. Why are you laughing, Joe, It's not.

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny that.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the government to go there. You should at least

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<v Speaker 6>pretend you're not biased anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, they in October, so this was right after the massacres.

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<v Speaker 4>She and ed Husick condemned Israel and said that it

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<v Speaker 4>had to be looked into for war crimes.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, these are our representatives. This is what Australia

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<v Speaker 1>is dealing with.

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<v Speaker 4>Now we have a government who is one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>ten percent on board with the UN agenda, which we

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<v Speaker 4>have known for as long as it has existed.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically has hated Israel.

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<v Speaker 4>Since twenty fifteen, they have condemned Israel one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>forty times, every other member state combined sixty eight times.

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<v Speaker 4>And Joe, what I think also was so shocking about

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<v Speaker 4>this is the fact that three hostages were kept in

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<v Speaker 4>a journalist's home.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I find that sickening. I must have been.

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<v Speaker 6>I was talking to a friends of mine and the

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<v Speaker 6>media and politics on Saturday before this story broke, saying

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<v Speaker 6>there's no way the hostages are alive. Surely they're all dead.

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<v Speaker 6>And you know this is why you know Hamas doesn't

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<v Speaker 6>have any bargaining chips left.

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<v Speaker 5>To know that Hamas.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually had free hostages, had living hostage is I should

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<v Speaker 6>say that it could have freed if it wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>parlay with Israel and bargain to get aid through. I

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<v Speaker 6>think speaks to just what an appalling I mean. This

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<v Speaker 6>sounds like an understatement of centric and appalling bad faith

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<v Speaker 6>actor harmss IS. It's a terrorist organization of course, the

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<v Speaker 6>bad faith actor.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think that bells the cat.

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<v Speaker 6>I think there is an argument for Israel not to

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<v Speaker 6>be like to actually to rise above and to put

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<v Speaker 6>more moral pressure on her mass by saying, all right, we'll,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, have a temporary cease fire to let AID

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<v Speaker 6>in and now there you go, We've done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Where are the hostage and letting it AID in constantly?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean the last thing is I looked out a

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<v Speaker 2>fortnite ago with something like twenty thousand AID trucks.

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<v Speaker 6>No I no, I know, I know, but there are

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<v Speaker 6>millions and millions of people, and so even even though

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<v Speaker 6>twenty thousand eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Trucks the mass millions of millions, I'm.

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<v Speaker 5>Not no, no, I'm not. I'm not just like that.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not saying that, but I'm saying better for it's

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<v Speaker 7>better for Israel's reputation, it's better for Israel standing if

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<v Speaker 7>they don't say, well, you know, har Maassa is just

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<v Speaker 7>as bad or worse than us.

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<v Speaker 5>I think Israel should.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Israel saying that Israel is Israel's letting

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<v Speaker 2>in so much AID. And part of the frustration by

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<v Speaker 2>Benny Gantz is that Benjamin Netta, who has been procrastinating

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<v Speaker 2>so hasn't been moving into Rappa fast enough and so

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<v Speaker 2>there is that debate going on. We'll get to that

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<v Speaker 2>later in the show with Dave Sharma. Let's turn now, though,

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<v Speaker 2>to the crisis engulfing nine Entertainment. As you'll know last night,

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<v Speaker 2>chairman Peter Costello resigned effective immediately, just three days after

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<v Speaker 2>that ugly physical altercation with journalist Liam Mendes at Canberra Airport.

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<v Speaker 2>Just a reminder, here's how that unfolded.

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<v Speaker 7>Why don't you support mister sneezebe publicly?

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<v Speaker 5>Goodness, Well, you've got to answer the question, mister thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>You've just assaulted You've just assaulted me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, just this afternoon, the Sydney Morning Herald published its

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<v Speaker 2>own editorial by its editor, Bevin Shields, and they said

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<v Speaker 2>that Costello did have to go. The editorial references the

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<v Speaker 2>moment when Costello was asked whether he should end his

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<v Speaker 2>reigner's chair because of this incident, and he said, rubbish

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<v Speaker 2>were Bevin Shield's rights and I quote what was rubbish

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<v Speaker 2>was Costello's belief that he could hold onto his job.

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<v Speaker 2>It was simply untenable for the chair of a media

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<v Speaker 2>company that employs hundreds of journalists to seemingly shove a

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<v Speaker 2>reported to the ground, laugh, walk off and carry on

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<v Speaker 2>in the boardroom as if nothing happened. Now Costello has

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<v Speaker 2>been replaced by one of nine's board directors, Catherine West,

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<v Speaker 2>now of Catherine West Bevin Shield's Rights.

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<v Speaker 1>She and other board members will remain under.

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<v Speaker 2>Pressure to explain whether they did enough to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>Wick and the company's broader treatment of women. In addition

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<v Speaker 2>to quelling the justified concerns of shareholders, she will also

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<v Speaker 2>have to regain the trust of staff, particularly women. And meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw that the editor in chief of The Australian,

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<v Speaker 2>Michelle Gunn, wrote to Peter Costello and to Nine saying

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<v Speaker 2>that they will need to pay for leam Mendi's camera equipment, which,

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<v Speaker 2>as I told you on Thursday night, was broken when

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<v Speaker 2>he was thrown to the ground.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Li's.

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<v Speaker 2>Initially, Costello tried to claim that he hadn't touched leam Mendes,

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<v Speaker 2>even though you can see in the footage that he

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<v Speaker 2>does shoulder barge him.

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<v Speaker 1>But Costello clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't think he should have to go that first statement

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<v Speaker 2>he gave on Thursday night, when he fronted the media

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<v Speaker 2>in defiance, he said no Liam fell over backwards into

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<v Speaker 2>an advertising placard.

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<v Speaker 1>He shouldn't have to go.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly over the weekend there has been pressure on him

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<v Speaker 2>from the board and then finally that resignation last night.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, after he said it was rubbish that he should

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<v Speaker 1>go home.

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<v Speaker 4>But obviously the axe fell and he wasn't left with

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<v Speaker 4>any choice because a man like Costello does not leave

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<v Speaker 4>if there's any other option. But the extent of his

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<v Speaker 4>own delusion that he could just pass this off as

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<v Speaker 4>being oh, the reporter tripped and fell, mate, there's footage.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, we still haven't seen any CCTV footage.

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<v Speaker 1>But who makes up a.

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<v Speaker 4>Story like that when they know full well enough footage.

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<v Speaker 2>There's enough footage you can see he comes at him

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<v Speaker 2>with the shoulder.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed, but there were witnesses which Liam then went and

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<v Speaker 4>talked to. What kind of person bothers making up another

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<v Speaker 4>story and tries shoving it under the carpet when you

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<v Speaker 4>so clearly did what you're being accused of having done. So,

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<v Speaker 4>as Sydney Morning Herald has written, he had to go.

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<v Speaker 4>Indeed he did. Now he's gone, but nine still has

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of other problems to be cleaning up.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, and Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>As you can see from that editorial in the nine newspapers,

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<v Speaker 2>there is still concern about the remaining board directors what

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<v Speaker 2>they knew about Darren Wick's behavior, you know, whether they

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<v Speaker 2>ignored it, and not just the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Members, but Mike Sneeze Bee.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think there is still a loss of confidence

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<v Speaker 2>from inside nine in the chief executive.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think that's true. I think. I mean, it's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>Someone asked me if I.

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<v Speaker 6>Was surprised that Peter Costello resigned suddenly on Sunday night,

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<v Speaker 6>so surprised it took him that long. I was surprised

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<v Speaker 6>that he actually saw the end of Friday Night out

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<v Speaker 6>as chairman of nine. And I think you asked the question,

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<v Speaker 6>what sort of person sort of behaves like that and

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<v Speaker 6>then thinks that they can just, through almost sheer force

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<v Speaker 6>of will, explain it.

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<v Speaker 5>Away as though nothing had happened.

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<v Speaker 6>And the answer is the sort of person who is

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<v Speaker 6>used to controlling the entire world around them, controlling the

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<v Speaker 6>entire environment around them. And one of the very telling

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<v Speaker 6>things that Peter Costello's time was rapidly coming to an

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<v Speaker 6>end was things like that in the Sydney Worl Herald.

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<v Speaker 6>Now I don't know how much to heart they take

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<v Speaker 6>the tagline independent always, but it seems to me that a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of their reporting going after people are Alan Jones

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<v Speaker 6>quite rightly by the magnificent Kate McClement, Darren Wick himself,

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<v Speaker 6>and of course Peter Costello came either after those people

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<v Speaker 6>had left the building or as the cracks were clearly

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<v Speaker 6>starting to emerge. And I think when you were starting

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<v Speaker 6>to look at the volume of reports in the nine

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<v Speaker 6>press and then also the sort of harder edges that

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<v Speaker 6>those reports were getting, you very much get the impression

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<v Speaker 6>that this is not the sort of thing you say

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<v Speaker 6>to a boss who has complete control. And these guys

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<v Speaker 6>clearly were losing support from the nine executive and from

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<v Speaker 6>the board itself. In the case of Costello, I think

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<v Speaker 6>anyone who had money on Peter Costello resigning at Mike

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<v Speaker 6>sneezeby still being around at the end of this, would

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<v Speaker 6>have done very very.

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<v Speaker 5>Well indeed at the TAB. But I think both both.

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<v Speaker 2>Men have been under significantly pressure because you know, these

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<v Speaker 2>are serious allegations of sexual harassment affecting nine women, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>nine Channel nine women at all levels, junior and senior.

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<v Speaker 1>They are serious issues.

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<v Speaker 2>They shouldn't have been happening, and there were various women

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<v Speaker 2>who either raised complaints or various allegations at different levels.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, it's quite right that there are

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<v Speaker 2>questions about why this was allowed to go on for

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<v Speaker 2>so long, and those questions still haven't.

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<v Speaker 6>Certainly I've been told about saying so I find it

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<v Speaker 6>hard to believe that people in the organization have.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, let's turn to Greece, where the hunt

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<v Speaker 2>for missing TV doctor Michael Moseley came to a tragic

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<v Speaker 2>end last night, his body found days after he went

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<v Speaker 2>missing in a cruel tip twist. His body was found

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<v Speaker 2>close to safety, next to a.

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<v Speaker 1>Low wall with a beach resort.

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<v Speaker 2>On the other side, Liz, we still don't know precisely

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<v Speaker 2>what happened, what led to his death, but at least

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<v Speaker 2>there is some closure for his wife and family.

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<v Speaker 4>Now. Yeah, to think his body was found by a

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<v Speaker 4>photographer who was simply taking photos, it's great as in

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<v Speaker 4>it that was how it was identified. He was taking photos,

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<v Speaker 4>noticed something in the water, zoomed in on it on

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<v Speaker 4>his camera and was like, I think that's I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's a body there, And so they went down and

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<v Speaker 4>found him just a tragic story. One of my friend's

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<v Speaker 4>friends is in Greece at the moment. He was having

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<v Speaker 4>lunch at the cafe that Moseley walked past that day.

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<v Speaker 1>About same island.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, and they said at the time he walked past.

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<v Speaker 4>I think several I've seen pictures of the CCTV footage.

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<v Speaker 4>Just the last time that we did see him alive,

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<v Speaker 4>it would have been forty five to forty seven degrees

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<v Speaker 4>so it was a very very hot day. And just

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<v Speaker 4>to think that he may have just gone for a walk,

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<v Speaker 4>gotten lost and not had any water on him, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just so devastating or a medical episode, we simply don't.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, I've been to Simmy.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been to that island in the middle of summer

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<v Speaker 6>and it is scorchingly hot. It's very very rocky, there's

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<v Speaker 6>very very little cover. I've also met Michael Mosley and

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<v Speaker 6>who's a lovely, lovely man. He was a lovely man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>it's yeah. When you're on a morning show on television

0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.720
<v Speaker 6>for seven years, you meet every single, every single diet

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<v Speaker 6>expert in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I would ask if you've done the five to die,

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<v Speaker 2>But knowing you for the past twenty years, Joe, you

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<v Speaker 2>have never needed to die.

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<v Speaker 6>Never needed to But my very good friend Ned who

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<v Speaker 6>might be your very good friend, fine and proud Jewish

0:23:36.320 --> 0:23:38.040
<v Speaker 6>man did the five to two when we've worked together.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know old Jews as it turned out.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, one day you can introduce him to net All right,

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<v Speaker 2>lista Joe hudibrand thank you guys so much. Now coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthney Alberanezi returns to the climate was once again as

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton catches up to him in the polls, plus the

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<v Speaker 2>US consulate in Sydney targeted pro Palestinian protest. I'll speak

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<v Speaker 2>with Liberal Senator Dave Sharma next. Welcome back, We'll Voters

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<v Speaker 2>are deserting the Albanezy government, with Peter Dutton closing in

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<v Speaker 2>as preferred prime minister.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Newspoll. In the Odds.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, Labour's primary vote fell one point to thirty three percent,

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<v Speaker 2>compared with the Coalition, which gained two points to thirty

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<v Speaker 2>nine percent. To analyze this, let's bring in now Bill

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<v Speaker 2>Shorten's former chief of staff now GXO Strategies director Cameron Milne.

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron, great to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it's really the coalition that's improved here because Labour's

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<v Speaker 2>primary was thirty three percent at the last election, which

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<v Speaker 2>is basically the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Result that it is now.

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<v Speaker 2>So what we're seeing is Peter Dutton really lifting the

0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>coalition's performance.

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<v Speaker 8>What do you think, Well, it's groundhole day for Labor

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<v Speaker 8>because their primary hasn't shifted in two years, and little

0:25:01.200 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 8>wonder because Albanese hasn't shifted in two years. But no,

0:25:04.080 --> 0:25:06.440
<v Speaker 8>Peter Dutton's a winning out of today's News poll because

0:25:06.440 --> 0:25:09.720
<v Speaker 8>he's consolidated the Liberal and Coalition primary vote and that's critical.

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 8>It's critical not any Labor marginal seats, but also against

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<v Speaker 8>the Teals. So Peter Dutton and News poll very good

0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.280
<v Speaker 8>news for him, not so good news for Albanese because

0:25:18.359 --> 0:25:20.720
<v Speaker 8>it has gone nowhere in two years.

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<v Speaker 2>Look when I interviewed Peter Dutton a week ago on Sunday,

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<v Speaker 2>he made the point to me that while there hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been a government who lost after one term since nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>thirty one, he thinks it can be done.

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<v Speaker 1>He says.

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<v Speaker 2>The momentums in his direction. You know, the argument is

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<v Speaker 2>that it's similar to the trends we saw before the voice.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think this is possible?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think, like you know, most commentators do that

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<v Speaker 2>will probably end up in a minority government or hung

0:25:50.760 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 2>parliament situation.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the best.

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<v Speaker 8>Labor can hope for with the way Albanese is traveling

0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:02.680
<v Speaker 8>is minority government. It propped up by entitled Teals and

0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 8>anti Semitic Greens. I mean, that's the future for the

0:26:05.240 --> 0:26:08.360
<v Speaker 8>Albanese government on these current poles. But no, I think

0:26:08.440 --> 0:26:11.120
<v Speaker 8>the situation is in nineteen thirty one. It's twenty ten.

0:26:11.359 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 8>I mean Gillard and Swann took Rudd's majority and smashed

0:26:14.640 --> 0:26:17.560
<v Speaker 8>it and became minority government in one term. Bill Shorten

0:26:17.760 --> 0:26:20.359
<v Speaker 8>took Tony Abbott's majority in twenty thirteen and in twenty

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:23.560
<v Speaker 8>sixteen came within one seat in the first term Liberal government.

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 8>So there's a lot more volatility than people expect, and

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 8>commentators should look at the last ten years of elections,

0:26:29.200 --> 0:26:32.000
<v Speaker 8>not the last hundred years, because Peter Dutton may very

0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 8>well make a majority government in as little time as

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<v Speaker 8>May next year.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course when Bill Shoton took it to within

0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 2>one seat, that was blamed on Meddi scare campaign, or

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>that's at least what Malcolm Turmill blamed it on Cameron.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, we are seeing good campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Well might have been a good one, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>a false one. Anthony Albanesi and Penny Woe combined. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you think these are? This is potentially the worst Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister and Foreign Minister in terms of a combination leading

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<v Speaker 2>Australia that we've ever had.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it's unfortunately a long list chari We had Sir

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 8>Robert Menzi's selling iron to the Japanese in ninety thirty nine.

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 8>We had Fraser with Andrew Peacock, who really was the

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<v Speaker 8>Minister for Foreign Affairs as he chased Shirley maclain around

0:27:20.480 --> 0:27:23.000
<v Speaker 8>the globe while on the taxpayer's dime. So we've had

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<v Speaker 8>some pretty bad combinations. Look, what I will say is

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<v Speaker 8>it's the weakest. It's the weakest combination I've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 8>Week on China, week on anti Semitism, week on Islamic extremism,

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<v Speaker 8>we got hate preachers at home. I mean Alberti's and

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<v Speaker 8>Wong keep making the same weak choices. Now they've got

0:27:40.920 --> 0:27:43.880
<v Speaker 8>nine months to earn themselves the worst ever and let's

0:27:43.880 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 8>hope they don't get there, because at the rate they're

0:27:46.080 --> 0:27:49.359
<v Speaker 8>going they may well win that prize in the first term.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I certainly agree with you. Definitely A week

0:27:52.359 --> 0:27:55.440
<v Speaker 2>when it comes to foreign policy. The Prime Minister today

0:27:55.520 --> 0:27:58.920
<v Speaker 2>tried to change the topic. We've saw the detainee debacle

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 2>has really him over the past couple of weeks. In

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:05.679
<v Speaker 2>particular today he said that Peter Dutton was worse than

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 2>Scott Morrison on climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have a look at that.

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<v Speaker 9>He is all negativity and no plan. And what we've

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 9>seen now for two years under Peter Dutton as a

0:28:17.640 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 9>reluctance to announce any policies. We've seen three now budget

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 9>replies without a single costing.

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.399
<v Speaker 2>And this is off the back of Peter Dutton saying

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 2>once again that he would ditch Labour's twenty thirty net

0:28:33.200 --> 0:28:37.480
<v Speaker 2>zero target and instead keep the twenty fifteen net zero target.

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton told the Weekend Australian that Labor has no hope.

0:28:41.720 --> 0:28:43.080
<v Speaker 1>Of achieving the targets.

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 2>He says, there's no sense in signing up to targets

0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:50.360
<v Speaker 2>you don't have any prospect of achieving. What do you

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 2>think about this, Cameron? You know we are in a

0:28:52.480 --> 0:28:57.200
<v Speaker 2>cost of living crisis. That's the overarching issue affecting most Australians.

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So do you think Albanezi returning to the time was

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>will work for him.

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Politically, No, I.

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.600
<v Speaker 8>Don't because cost of living is absolutely the number one issue,

0:29:08.600 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 8>cost of living, cost living, cost living, and look tomorrow's

0:29:11.320 --> 0:29:13.520
<v Speaker 8>state budget brought down by Cameron Dick is all about

0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:15.400
<v Speaker 8>cost of living, so all the other state premiers.

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:16.800
<v Speaker 5>So it was Jim Chalmer's.

0:29:16.440 --> 0:29:20.480
<v Speaker 8>Budget that got buried by Albanese's week leadership on immigration

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:22.480
<v Speaker 8>a range of other matters. So no, Look, I think

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 8>Albanese is trying for the distraction, trying to set up

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 8>some faux war that's ten years old. I don't think

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 8>it'll work because people are really concerned about putting bread

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.120
<v Speaker 8>and butter on the table and making sure they can

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 8>pay the energy bills that are crippling them at the moment, and.

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Keeping a roof over their heads. You know, the housing crisis.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Whether absolutely people are renting or whether they're struggling with

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>their mortgages, it is certainly tough. Camin Milner, thank you

0:29:46.720 --> 0:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>very much for your insights. Now let's bring in now

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave also, of course Australia's former

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 2>ambassador to Israel, welcome to the program. Look, we saw

0:29:57.600 --> 0:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a pro Palestinian activists target and vandalize the US Consulate

0:30:02.000 --> 0:30:06.400
<v Speaker 2>in Sydney today, a sledgehammer was used. There's graffiti across

0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:09.160
<v Speaker 2>the front of the consulate. I mean, let's bring up

0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>those pictures now. And this is just the latest incident.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:17.840
<v Speaker 2>We also heard Ray Hadley on TGB this morning report that, Yeah,

0:30:18.160 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 2>that red triangle that you can see there, that's apparently

0:30:22.520 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 2>a symbol where something is a target of a mus

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Dave Sharma, what's your reaction to this really worrying attack.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, it's embarrassing, sharing because it's an attack on the

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:44.680
<v Speaker 10>diplomatic premises which are meant to be protected under international

0:30:44.800 --> 0:30:47.320
<v Speaker 10>law of a close friend and ally. But it's also

0:30:47.480 --> 0:30:51.480
<v Speaker 10>part of a climate of lawlessness and disorder. It's been

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:55.000
<v Speaker 10>allowed to develop because of weak leadership by the state

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:58.480
<v Speaker 10>of federal governments. I mean, how is it that outside

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:01.640
<v Speaker 10>of the US consulate, I expect there are closed circuit

0:31:01.640 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 10>television cameras, expect their security footage. When are the perpetrators

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:12.240
<v Speaker 10>of these crimes vandalism, property damage, incitement, harassment, racial valification.

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.840
<v Speaker 10>When is someone going to be arrested, When is someone

0:31:14.880 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 10>going to be charged? When is someone going to be

0:31:16.520 --> 0:31:19.200
<v Speaker 10>brought to justice for this? So we send a message

0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.479
<v Speaker 10>that this sort of conduct is not acceptable. But what

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 10>we've seen is this growing climate of anarchy in our

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:29.960
<v Speaker 10>streets where people who ostensibly say they're propalaestineed more often

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 10>than not their pro Hamas seem to think that the

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:35.080
<v Speaker 10>laws that apply to the rest of society do not

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:37.440
<v Speaker 10>apply to them. And we've allowed this to develop. Our

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 10>Prime minister has allowed this to develop, Our premier has

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 10>allowed this to develop in New South Wales, and our

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 10>police leadership is taking the lead from them.

0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know, they'd be forgiven for thinking that

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 2>the laws don't apply to them, because, as you say,

0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>we see very few arrests despite the level of vandalism,

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.360
<v Speaker 2>the aggression, not to mention the hate speech, and there

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>are laws for hate speech, it would be good to

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:04.960
<v Speaker 2>see them used in relation to these sort of racist attacks.

0:32:05.880 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Dave Sharma, let's return to this news that there were

0:32:08.680 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 2>four hostages rescued by Israel on Saturday night. What do

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you think about the fact that they were held, that

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 2>three of them were held in the home of a

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Palestinian journalist who was reporting on human rights abuses, and

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 2>do you think this is part of the reason why

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 2>we're seeing such bias in media reporting?

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 10>Well, he's not only a journalist to share, he's also

0:32:34.800 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 10>a spokesperson for one of the Hamas run ministries. So

0:32:37.880 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 10>this is one of the quote unquote official sources of

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:45.600
<v Speaker 10>information that foreign journalists use for figures and facts, and

0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 10>it seems that this journalist and spokesperson.

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<v Speaker 11>For Hamas was holding the hostages.

0:32:51.000 --> 0:32:54.360
<v Speaker 10>I mean, this is just it shows you how deeply

0:32:54.360 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 10>embedded Hamas is in society there, but also how you

0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:01.280
<v Speaker 10>cannot trust a word that they're saying, whether it's about

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:04.840
<v Speaker 10>casualty figures or what was the cause of a particular

0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:08.280
<v Speaker 10>incident or anything else. And look, first I want to

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 10>say though importantly, I'm so relieved that these hostages behind.

0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:14.640
<v Speaker 10>There's still one hundred and twenty being held there, and

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.440
<v Speaker 10>it's just a great joy to see them reunited with

0:33:17.520 --> 0:33:20.880
<v Speaker 10>their family. But let's remember these weren't freed or released

0:33:20.880 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 10>by Hamas. They should have been they should have been

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 10>over two hundred and forty days ago. They should never

0:33:25.080 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 10>have been taken hostage. They were liberated by Israel's military action.

0:33:30.000 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 10>And all those people who are saying, well, let's have

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.840
<v Speaker 10>a ceasefire without any conditionality attached to it, they're effectively

0:33:35.840 --> 0:33:37.960
<v Speaker 10>saying let's leave the hostages there. This is the only

0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 10>thing that's liberating the hostages right.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, exactly exactly. And there's the point I keep making.

0:33:43.120 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>You can't have an immediate cease fire while we still

0:33:45.480 --> 0:33:50.760
<v Speaker 2>have innocent families, even a baby held hostage. Now I've

0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:54.600
<v Speaker 2>criticized tonight the fact that Penny Wang hasn't publicly welcomed

0:33:54.600 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 2>the news. Well the Prime Minister did today finally welcome

0:33:58.880 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>the news of the hostage.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's have a look.

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<v Speaker 9>Very much welcome hostages being reunited with their families. They

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 9>should never have been hostages taken. The taking of these

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 9>hostages and keeping them in captivity close to where there

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 9>are so many Palestinian civilians is a atrocity and it

0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 9>is one of the things that leads us to call

0:34:30.680 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 9>har maaster terrorist organization to actions of a terrorist organization.

0:34:38.080 --> 0:34:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Dave Sharma, are you surprised our Foreign minister couldn't say

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>something similar that she welcomes the release of the hostages.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, firstly, I welcome the comments by the Prime Minister.

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 10>I think they were right in substance out in town,

0:34:53.600 --> 0:34:57.200
<v Speaker 10>but I am surprised. I mean, Patty Wong is very

0:34:57.280 --> 0:35:00.480
<v Speaker 10>quick on her keyboard, to fire off a tweed or

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.920
<v Speaker 10>a post on x whenever anything happens in that region

0:35:04.920 --> 0:35:07.960
<v Speaker 10>that concerns her on behalf of Israel, whether it's Israel's

0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 10>behavior or Israel's alleged conduct or an alleged civilian casualties

0:35:13.680 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 10>from this conflict. But you would think this is one

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.720
<v Speaker 10>of the biggest breakthroughs in this conflict over the last

0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:22.600
<v Speaker 10>few months, and it's a time of great joy. I mean,

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 10>Pennywoll when she was in Israel met some of the

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:28.160
<v Speaker 10>family members of the hostages who are being held. I

0:35:28.160 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 10>would have thought the humane and decent thing to do,

0:35:30.400 --> 0:35:32.680
<v Speaker 10>especially when we consider that Israel as one of our

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.479
<v Speaker 10>longest standing and firmest friends in the Middle East, would

0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:37.840
<v Speaker 10>have been to at least welcome this news with a

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 10>short statement, with a tweet, with something like that. But

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 10>instead it's been left to the Prime Minister because it's

0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 10>like Penny Wong has a hard time saying anything positive

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.400
<v Speaker 10>with Israel in the same sentence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and look at it did take the Prime

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.239
<v Speaker 2>Minister until today when it happens Saturday night. They could

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.680
<v Speaker 2>have instantly put out a statement immediately on social media,

0:35:57.800 --> 0:36:00.319
<v Speaker 2>like you said, Dave Sharma, thank you very much for

0:36:00.360 --> 0:36:02.759
<v Speaker 2>your strength in this area and for coming on the program.

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Now coming up the premiers that should be facing a

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Royal commission into their COVID lockdown laws instead given at

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.759
<v Speaker 2>King's Birthday honors today and of course the PM applauds

0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 2>the decision. Plus Holly Hughes responds to being taken off

0:36:18.280 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 2>the ticket by the Liberal Party for a below were

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:22.120
<v Speaker 2>taken off.

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>The top of the ticket for a man. All of

0:36:24.480 --> 0:36:31.399
<v Speaker 1>that after the break welcome back will.

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Former Premiers Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan have been awarded

0:36:35.440 --> 0:36:39.279
<v Speaker 2>the Companion of the Order of Australia. Daniel Andrews, who

0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:43.200
<v Speaker 2>was responsible for one of the world's harshest and longest lockdowns,

0:36:43.600 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 2>which sparked mental health problems in children and a hotel

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 2>quarantine program which caused almost eight hundred deaths, and former

0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 2>WA Premier Mark McGowan, who's draconian border policies separated families

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and left businesses struggling well. The Prime Minister first protected

0:37:02.000 --> 0:37:05.719
<v Speaker 2>these premiers from the scrutiny of a Royal commission. A

0:37:05.800 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 2>royal commission that we need, if for nothing else, to

0:37:09.400 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>make sure that we know what to do if another

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:17.120
<v Speaker 2>pandemic happens, and then today he applauded their honors.

0:37:18.520 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 9>Both Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan were very successful from

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.560
<v Speaker 9>the people who matter to their respective states in Victoria

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 9>and Western Australia.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

0:37:32.800 --> 0:37:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett said that the decision reeked

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:40.240
<v Speaker 2>of political interference and here he was speaking to James

0:37:40.320 --> 0:37:42.280
<v Speaker 2>McPherson a bit earlier on Sky.

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<v Speaker 12>So we are now giving the highest civilian award to

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.880
<v Speaker 12>an individual who has failed. We are recognizing failure. I

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 12>would like to know why it took so quickly and

0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:59.359
<v Speaker 12>whether in fact there has been political interference in him

0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.480
<v Speaker 12>being granted this award, and that wouldn't be surprising because

0:38:03.520 --> 0:38:06.320
<v Speaker 12>the hallmark of Daniel's premiership.

0:38:06.200 --> 0:38:06.759
<v Speaker 5>Was just that.

0:38:08.480 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Joining me to discuss Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and Deputy

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:15.640
<v Speaker 2>Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security,

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Wallace, Welcome to you both. Holly, what do you

0:38:19.160 --> 0:38:22.360
<v Speaker 2>think do you think the premiers should have been given

0:38:22.400 --> 0:38:23.000
<v Speaker 2>these honors?

0:38:23.120 --> 0:38:26.800
<v Speaker 13>Absolutely not. It is absolutely disgraceful. I think it demeans

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 13>the awards. I think these awards were really set up

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 13>and established to recognize volunteers in our community. People that

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 13>put themselves out to assist others in Australia not do

0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:39.879
<v Speaker 13>their job, and I think a lot of us could

0:38:39.960 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 13>argue that both McGowan and Andrews did their job poorly. I

0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:48.960
<v Speaker 13>think it's an insult to Victorians and to West Australians

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.080
<v Speaker 13>that health was included as part of the reasons for

0:38:52.120 --> 0:38:56.080
<v Speaker 13>this recognition. When Andrews is left behind crippling debt, he's

0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:59.200
<v Speaker 13>left behind significant mental health issues after the lockdowns that

0:38:59.239 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 13>he put Victorias through. And McGowan, I mean, aside from

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 13>cutting way off from the rest of Australia and separating

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:09.320
<v Speaker 13>families in the most obsane way, with the health system

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:13.400
<v Speaker 13>is crumbling over there and somehow or other that's granted

0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 13>him this award. It is just disgusting, I think on

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 13>every level.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it should be the nurses, it should be

0:39:19.520 --> 0:39:23.600
<v Speaker 2>the aged care workers who are recognized because they put

0:39:23.640 --> 0:39:24.360
<v Speaker 2>their health.

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:27.200
<v Speaker 1>On the line during the pandemic. Andrew Wallace.

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:29.560
<v Speaker 2>There's also the fact that they're not going to face

0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:33.280
<v Speaker 2>scrutiny at a Royal commission, the inquiry announced by Anthony

0:39:33.320 --> 0:39:39.160
<v Speaker 2>ALBINIZI that doesn't compel the premiers, doesn't you know, force.

0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>Them to give evidence under subpoenas.

0:39:41.480 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>And this is what is important because if another pandemic hits,

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:48.440
<v Speaker 2>we do need to know what the right things are.

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, do we need masks? Do we need vaccines?

0:39:51.960 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people would argue no, of course not,

0:39:54.640 --> 0:39:56.239
<v Speaker 2>but you know, there does need to be a set

0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.640
<v Speaker 2>of guidelines established and without a royal commission, we can't

0:39:59.680 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 2>get the those proper recommendations.

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:05.080
<v Speaker 11>That's right, Shari.

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 14>Look, please God, there'll never be another pandemic like what

0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:11.520
<v Speaker 14>we saw. I'm sure that we well, one would like

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 14>to think that as governments in this country and across

0:40:14.560 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 14>the world, that we would have learnt our.

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.240
<v Speaker 11>Lessons from the latest pandemic.

0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 14>But unless we pull it apart, turn it upside down

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 14>and give it a good shaking, we'll never really learn

0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:26.600
<v Speaker 14>those lessons. And because of the federation, the way that

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.680
<v Speaker 14>we govern, the way that we are governed in this country,

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:34.960
<v Speaker 14>to really exclude the state governments, and let's bearing in

0:40:35.000 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 14>mind it was the state governments.

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:40.240
<v Speaker 11>That really ruled the roost in relation to health matters.

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<v Speaker 14>To exclude them from a royal commission really smacks of

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:49.759
<v Speaker 14>political interference and it was just absolutely a cover up

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<v Speaker 14>from the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 11>But I see what's really interesting, Shari.

0:40:53.280 --> 0:40:55.280
<v Speaker 14>It's a protection racker. But I tell you what's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 14>I'm sure Hollywood agree with me on this. Whenever I've

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<v Speaker 14>put anybody up for an Australia Award or now a

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:06.080
<v Speaker 14>King's Birthday honors, it generally takes.

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<v Speaker 11>I've never had one dealt.

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<v Speaker 14>With in under eighteen months, usually two years somewhere around there.

0:41:12.320 --> 0:41:14.479
<v Speaker 11>Isn't it interesting? And bearing your mind?

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<v Speaker 14>Politicians and judges, whoever is in public life never get

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.880
<v Speaker 14>it gone whilst they are serving. But it's really interesting,

0:41:20.920 --> 0:41:25.439
<v Speaker 14>very quick turn around. Then, Mark McGowan resigned almost twelve

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:29.440
<v Speaker 14>months ago to the day and Daniel Andrews resigned nine

0:41:29.480 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 14>months ago. So could it be but these two premiers

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<v Speaker 14>had their applications approved or whoever nominated them in less

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<v Speaker 14>than twelve months.

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<v Speaker 11>I smell a rat.

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<v Speaker 1>No good point, now, Holly.

0:41:43.280 --> 0:41:46.880
<v Speaker 2>About two weeks ago you lost your spot on the

0:41:46.920 --> 0:41:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Senate preselection ticket. You were the type of the ticket

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<v Speaker 2>you're now number four. That's considered an unwinnable spot. It

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:57.440
<v Speaker 2>is an unwinnable spot. Instead, the number one on the

0:41:57.440 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 2>ticket is one of your colleagues, Andrew brag.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's been a lot of discussion within the

0:42:04.640 --> 0:42:09.160
<v Speaker 2>Liberal Party about prioritizing women, and I think the Sky audience,

0:42:09.239 --> 0:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>the Sky viewers would know you as a very strong

0:42:12.480 --> 0:42:16.160
<v Speaker 2>woman who campaigns for a lot of issues, not the

0:42:16.239 --> 0:42:18.920
<v Speaker 2>least of which is anti Semitism. How do you feel

0:42:18.960 --> 0:42:22.200
<v Speaker 2>about being moved down to number four and replaced by

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<v Speaker 2>a man?

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<v Speaker 13>Look, Andrew was always going to get repre selected at

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.040
<v Speaker 13>the end of the day. He's backed by the Moderate

0:42:28.080 --> 0:42:31.520
<v Speaker 13>faction within the Liberal Party and they have been the

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.240
<v Speaker 13>dominant faction in the New South Wales division for a while,

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 13>so he was always going to get there. The other

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.800
<v Speaker 13>people that were running were running against me, and I

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:41.719
<v Speaker 13>find it a little bit insulting that for some people

0:42:41.760 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 13>there's a bit of an attitude you can replace one

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 13>woman with another and it doesn't matter. I think you

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:47.879
<v Speaker 13>do need to look at merit. I think you need

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:50.360
<v Speaker 13>to look at experience, and I need to think, you know,

0:42:50.600 --> 0:42:54.120
<v Speaker 13>what the contribution that's been made and could obviously continue

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:54.840
<v Speaker 13>to be being.

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<v Speaker 1>Made, would be considered.

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<v Speaker 13>Unfortunately, it came down to about one hundred and fifty

0:42:58.640 --> 0:43:01.480
<v Speaker 13>pre selectors in New South Wales who decided that I

0:43:01.640 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 13>was not that woman to continue serving the party. It

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:08.800
<v Speaker 13>has been met with shockun horror pretty much across the Parliament,

0:43:08.880 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 13>all sides of the Parliament, so you know, it is

0:43:12.239 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 13>what it is though, that's what the New South Wales

0:43:13.840 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 13>Division has decided to do.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that Peter Dutton didn't have anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with this, but the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor did, is

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<v Speaker 2>that right?

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<v Speaker 13>Yeah, so he certainly wrote a reference for another woman

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.279
<v Speaker 13>who was running in the race that she would make

0:43:27.320 --> 0:43:30.000
<v Speaker 13>a great contribution. So the question was raised at the

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:33.040
<v Speaker 13>time not only by Andrew and myself who are current

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 13>shadow ministerial colleagues of Angus Taylor's, but also you know

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 13>which one of us and a lot of our other

0:43:39.120 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 13>colleagues raise the point which one of us should be

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.799
<v Speaker 13>being replaced? So now we know what the intention was

0:43:44.960 --> 0:43:49.160
<v Speaker 13>behind that. This is unprecedented in Angus Taylor for doing that.

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:54.439
<v Speaker 13>It's unprecedented for a colleague to actively campaign against other

0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 13>particularly shadow ministerial colleagues.

0:43:57.520 --> 0:43:58.960
<v Speaker 11>Peter Dutton and Susan.

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:01.840
<v Speaker 13>Lee run a very very or on United team. I

0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 13>think this has probably exhibited more personal ambition than ambition

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.799
<v Speaker 13>for the team, which is something that, you.

0:44:09.760 --> 0:44:11.440
<v Speaker 1>Know, I wish days.

0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:13.480
<v Speaker 13>Yeah, I think that his personal ambition has got in

0:44:13.480 --> 0:44:15.600
<v Speaker 13>the way of keeping the unity in the team.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's gone against Peter Dutton here.

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 13>Peter Dutton had given a reference to Andrew Bragg and

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:22.719
<v Speaker 13>myself that he wanted to keep his shadow ministerial team

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:26.040
<v Speaker 13>together and I think you know, really Dennis Shanahan probably

0:44:26.120 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 13>summed it up in The Australian Best earlier when he

0:44:29.000 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 13>said that Angus Taylor has to get serious about detail

0:44:32.640 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 13>and present a more mature alternative in Parliament. And I

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:38.279
<v Speaker 13>don't think anyone could say it better than Dennis there.

0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:42.200
<v Speaker 13>It's interesting that he's spending more time on factional politics

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.400
<v Speaker 13>in New South Wales. I think that perhaps his portfolio.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very very strong remarks are accusing the Shadow Treasurer

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:49.840
<v Speaker 2>of spending more time.

0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:51.759
<v Speaker 13>Well, I don't know whether he spent more time, but

0:44:51.840 --> 0:44:54.640
<v Speaker 13>he certainly shows and the history you know, he has

0:44:54.680 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 13>always been even if you don't like a colleague, you

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:58.279
<v Speaker 13>don't actively campaign against them.

0:44:58.360 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>No, indeed, Andrew, Well, let's just to get your reaction

0:45:02.160 --> 0:45:07.320
<v Speaker 2>to Peter Dutton's comments on the zero target. He's now saying,

0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:09.440
<v Speaker 2>or he has been saying for a while that it

0:45:09.480 --> 0:45:11.799
<v Speaker 2>doesn't look like the twenty thirty targets are going to

0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 2>be met, so we should push it back to twenty fifty.

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 1>What's your reaction to that.

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<v Speaker 14>I think there's probably only one person in the world

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.520
<v Speaker 14>who thinks that labor will get us to forty three

0:45:22.560 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 14>percent reduction by twenty thirty, and that's Chris Bowen.

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.239
<v Speaker 11>Nobody believes that that's going to happen.

0:45:29.000 --> 0:45:32.760
<v Speaker 14>Particularly with the framework that they've laid out, the amount

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.719
<v Speaker 14>of solar panels that need to be laid on the

0:45:34.800 --> 0:45:37.960
<v Speaker 14>daily basis, the amount of wind turbines that need to

0:45:37.960 --> 0:45:41.800
<v Speaker 14>be constructed on a daily basis, it's just not going

0:45:41.880 --> 0:45:46.960
<v Speaker 14>to happen. So we're committed to ensuring that we get

0:45:47.000 --> 0:45:50.920
<v Speaker 14>to net zero by twenty fifty, absolutely, but we want

0:45:50.960 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 14>to ensure that we effectively hold the government to its

0:45:54.640 --> 0:45:59.719
<v Speaker 14>commitments that it has made, and the reality is it's

0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:01.239
<v Speaker 14>most impossible for.

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 11>It to achieve it. But I think.

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:08.880
<v Speaker 14>The comments that Cameron Milner made earlier were really appropriate.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:12.840
<v Speaker 14>Very few people are now talking about this. What people

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.720
<v Speaker 14>are absolutely focused on is cost of living.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, apologies, Andrew, but we are out of time

0:46:20.160 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 2>right now. I've got to get to Kosher Garden next

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:24.240
<v Speaker 2>to Andrew Wallis, Hollyho's great.

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<v Speaker 1>To see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry now after the break, the latest on Hunter Biden's

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.160
<v Speaker 2>gun trial and the stark difference between how the media

0:46:31.320 --> 0:46:38.319
<v Speaker 2>has portrayed Hunter Biden's case compared to Donald Trump's. Stay tuned,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome back. Well, let's bring in now Sky News contributor

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<v Speaker 2>Kosher Garter Kosher, great to see you. Look, we've just

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<v Speaker 2>seen that the second week of Hunter Biden's gun trial,

0:46:52.000 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 2>prosecution has rested its case. Where do you think they're

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<v Speaker 2>up to in terms of proving whether or not he

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>was actually using drugs in the days before he bought

0:47:02.320 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a gun.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I think this case, Shari, much like the

0:47:07.480 --> 0:47:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Trump case, is going to come down to less so

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:13.799
<v Speaker 3>about the proof and how compelling the prosecution is going

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:15.760
<v Speaker 3>to be or not going to be in what they're proving,

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.000
<v Speaker 3>but ultimately the jury and how favorable is the jury

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 3>going to be or not? You know, because this case,

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 3>the whole premise of it is, as you point out,

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:27.520
<v Speaker 3>was he addicted which is where the felony charge comes in.

0:47:27.640 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 3>Was he addicted to substances at the time of procuring

0:47:31.120 --> 0:47:33.279
<v Speaker 3>a gun? They're going to argue, well, you know, in

0:47:33.320 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 3>the day before it or the day after it, the

0:47:35.120 --> 0:47:37.160
<v Speaker 3>defense will argue he wasn't, and that's kind of a

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 3>hard thing to prove one way or the other. They

0:47:39.200 --> 0:47:41.839
<v Speaker 3>do have some corroborating evidence from his own accounts that

0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 3>he's published, et cetera, so that will all air out.

0:47:44.280 --> 0:47:47.000
<v Speaker 3>I think ultimately it comes down to the Delaware jury.

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.120
<v Speaker 3>The Bidens are very well known in Delaware, and ultimately,

0:47:50.200 --> 0:47:52.440
<v Speaker 3>regardless of the facts and law, what is the jury

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 3>likely to do, I think is what this is where

0:47:54.560 --> 0:47:55.400
<v Speaker 3>this is going to wind up.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the media treatment of the two cases, the

0:47:59.400 --> 0:48:02.120
<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump case and the Hunter Biden one. Do you know,

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<v Speaker 2>do you notice the difference in the tone?

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<v Speaker 11>One hundred percent?

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:10.800
<v Speaker 3>I think there's a reason why media approval sits somewhere

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:15.399
<v Speaker 3>between Congress and various terrorist groups. To be honest, it's

0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.879
<v Speaker 3>like very low in the teens. I think are low

0:48:17.920 --> 0:48:20.799
<v Speaker 3>teens the approval rating for this because people know and

0:48:20.880 --> 0:48:23.480
<v Speaker 3>they see right through it. There's an agenda for sure

0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:25.560
<v Speaker 3>with most of the media, and I think that's why

0:48:25.560 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 3>you don't see that much polling has changed in the

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 3>aftermath of either the Trump case or even this current

0:48:30.680 --> 0:48:33.000
<v Speaker 3>ongoing case because most of the electorate is baking it

0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:35.000
<v Speaker 3>into the case and they really see through the media

0:48:35.040 --> 0:48:37.520
<v Speaker 3>as being not so much reporting the facts, but more

0:48:37.560 --> 0:48:38.880
<v Speaker 3>so just influencing opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, indeed, all right, Kosha Goata, thank you very much

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:44.759
<v Speaker 2>for joining us tonight, and to everyone at home, have

0:48:44.840 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 2>a great rest of your lovely long weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari