Speaker 1: Show this good evening.
Speaker 2: Hope you've all had a lovely long weekend, but we've
Speaker 2: got a lot to cover.
Speaker 1: Tonight.
Speaker 2: Daniel Andrews he should be facing a royal commission into
Speaker 2: his handling of the pandemic, but instead Anthony Albanesi has
Speaker 2: protected him from scrutiny, and instead Andrews is being awarded
Speaker 2: King's birthday honors. The public anger today over this is palpable.
Speaker 2: Also tonight, Peter d'artanez catching up to Albanesi in the polls,
Speaker 2: but can he win the next election? He says, the
Speaker 2: trend the momentum is in his favor. Political analysts would
Speaker 2: join Meat to discuss, plus Peter Costello gone and now
Speaker 2: Mike Sneezeby feels the heat as the Channel nine crisis continues.
Speaker 2: But first tonight to the joy of the surprise hostage rescue,
Speaker 2: Penny Wong's silence over the matter, and the Al Jazeera
Speaker 2: journalist who was holding Jews care active all while reporting
Speaker 2: on human rights abuses. On Saturday evening, we received the
Speaker 2: news that we thought it would be impossible not to
Speaker 2: celebrate the rescue of Noah Agamani. Just twenty five almog
Speaker 2: Meyir twenty one years old, Andrew Koslov twenty seven, and
Speaker 2: Schlummy Ziv forty. Yet there has not been a word
Speaker 2: of joy or any welcoming the news from Penny Wong.
Speaker 2: For eight long months, there'd been no news of these hostages,
Speaker 2: and there were grave fears for their lives.
Speaker 1: Who could ever.
Speaker 2: Forget Noah Agamani's face and she was ripped away from
Speaker 2: her life as she knew it and forced onto the
Speaker 2: back of a motorbike while her boyfriend was held at gunpoint.
Speaker 2: The twenty five year old screamed and don't kill me
Speaker 2: as she was kidnapped. The scenes of Noah's devastated father
Speaker 2: crying went right around the royal right around the world,
Speaker 2: as he begged as he cried how he was devastated.
Speaker 2: He spoke about how he kept his daughter safe.
Speaker 1: All of her life and now she was gone. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks to.
Speaker 2: The bravery of Israeli forces, Noah, almug Andre, and Shalom
Speaker 2: were reunited with their families, and here are some of
Speaker 2: those emotional moments there. The trauma to these families has
Speaker 2: been indescribable. But where were three of these hostages hidden
Speaker 2: in the home of a Palestinian journalist who'd written for
Speaker 2: Al Jazeera and The Palestine Chronicle. Here was Abdullah al
Speaker 2: Jamal's profile on Al Jazeera. In his articles, he regularly
Speaker 2: wrote about so called Israeli human rights abuses and war crimes,
Speaker 2: claims of starvation and genocide.
Speaker 1: You wonder how the media get it so wrong.
Speaker 2: Well, perhaps it's because they're relying on first hand accounts
Speaker 2: from hermask terrorists masquerading as journalists all the while holding
Speaker 2: Israeli's hostage. Al Jamal's home was in the Nuzarat refugee camp.
Speaker 2: That's where Harmas and Palestinian civilians were hiding these innocent
Speaker 2: hostages inside a refugee camp. And the refugee camp has
Speaker 2: been run by ANRA, the Unitedation's Relief and Works agency.
Speaker 2: So what responsibility does the AID agency have here?
Speaker 1: And why is Australia.
Speaker 2: Still sending millions of dollars to UNRA And why didn't
Speaker 2: the Red Cross, UNRA or any other agency visit Noah
Speaker 2: and the other hostages despite them being held captive inside
Speaker 2: a refugee camp. We've even seen in the past two
Speaker 2: days morally corrupt United Nations officials like the biased Francesca
Speaker 2: Albanizi claim that the hostages were released released, well, that's
Speaker 2: utter rubbish. Instead, it took a high risk operation by
Speaker 2: heroic Israeli's special forces to free them. They were under
Speaker 2: constant gunfire as they went into civilian buildings to save
Speaker 2: the hostages, and under fire as they left. It was
Speaker 2: something like out of the Netflix television show. Media reports
Speaker 2: say that elite special forces blended easily with locals in Gaza,
Speaker 2: posing as displaced Gazans or Hamas fighters, entering the refugee
Speaker 2: camp in disguise and speaking the language fluently. One report
Speaker 2: we can't verify it, but one report claimed they were
Speaker 2: driving a white car loaded with mattresses and the women
Speaker 2: were dressed in clothes similar to Palestinians. The Times of
Speaker 2: Israel quoted as Saudi owned news channel and said that
Speaker 2: according to the report, the special forces introduced themselves to
Speaker 2: local residents as Palestinians escaping the Israeli Defense Forces operation
Speaker 2: in Rafa, and said they'd rented a place in the
Speaker 2: area around the market in Nuzarat, while pointing at the
Speaker 2: building where hostage Noah Agamani was being held. The disguised
Speaker 2: forces reportedly got out of their car and split into
Speaker 2: two groups, each heading toward one of the two buildings
Speaker 2: in preparation for the operation. Ultimately, one father, a hero,
Speaker 2: arn On Zamora, lost his life and the operation to
Speaker 2: rescue the hostages has now been renamed Operation Arnan in
Speaker 2: his honor.
Speaker 1: He leaves behind a wife and two children. At the
Speaker 1: news of.
Speaker 2: The hostage rescue on Saturday evening, there were celebrations across
Speaker 2: Israel and even in Australia. I thought it was strange
Speaker 2: that there was no statement or tweet from Australia's Foreign
Speaker 2: Minister Penny Wong celebrating the release of the hostages. It's
Speaker 2: a point the Daily Telegraph made on the weekend. How
Speaker 2: could she not even welcome the news were two days on,
Speaker 2: Pennywong still hasn't welcomed the news that four hostages, including
Speaker 2: a twenty.
Speaker 1: Five year old woman, were rescued.
Speaker 2: Instead, we've only heard from her media advisor, her spokesperson
Speaker 2: saying and I quote, we want to see all hostages released,
Speaker 2: civilians protected, and parties agree to the ceasefire proposal presented
Speaker 2: by President Biden. And then today Pennywog released a statement
Speaker 2: saying she was sending Anne Ali, the first Muslim woman
Speaker 2: elected to Federal Parliament to attend a conference on the.
Speaker 1: Crisis in Gaza.
Speaker 2: Again in this press release today, no mention of the
Speaker 2: ongoing terrorism against Israel, and Pennywong said this war must end.
Speaker 2: The human suffering in Gaza is unacceptable. Australia has been
Speaker 2: part of the international push for a ceasefire, for humanitarian
Speaker 2: aid to reach Gazans in desperate need, and for hostages
Speaker 2: to be released.
Speaker 1: And in the same.
Speaker 2: Press release ann Ali a labor and p said the
Speaker 2: humanitarian situation in Gaza is catastrophic. Over one million Palestinians
Speaker 2: are facing catastrophic levels of food and security, and around
Speaker 2: one point seven million people have been displaced many several
Speaker 2: times over. Humanitarian access remains grossly inadequate. No mention there
Speaker 2: of the need to destroy humas, the need to stop
Speaker 2: the terrorism against the Jews, or demand the immediate release.
Speaker 1: Of the hostages.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at it, it's actually quite
Speaker 2: shocking how we've ended up living under such an extreme
Speaker 2: anti Israel government. I mean, how did we end up
Speaker 2: with a foreign minister who can't express any joy at
Speaker 2: the extraordinary rescue under constant god fire of four hostages,
Speaker 2: including a woman whose image went viral for the way
Speaker 2: that she was brutally captured on October seven. Well, it's
Speaker 2: worth reminding Pennywong that her Mus and the Palestinian civilians
Speaker 2: holding these hostages could have released them at any point
Speaker 2: over the past eight months, but they chose not to.
Speaker 2: If Harmas freed all of the remaining one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty hostages right now and surrendered, the war would be over.
Speaker 1: There would be no crisis in Gaza or in Israel.
Speaker 2: It's curious there's so little pressure by the Albanese government
Speaker 2: on Hermus to release the hostages and end the war. Instead,
Speaker 2: the pressure is overwhelmingly on Israel for daring to bring their.
Speaker 1: Innocent people home.
Speaker 2: The world's youngest hostage, Baby Kafir, was taken when he
Speaker 2: was nine months old, along with his four year old
Speaker 2: brother Ariel. They vanished into the depths of Gaza. Yet
Speaker 2: given what we've just seen with the case of Noah
Speaker 2: Agamani and the others, there will be Palestinian families and
Speaker 2: possibly aid workers and possibly journalists who know where they
Speaker 2: and the other hostages are. We cannot rest, we cannot
Speaker 2: give up until baby Kafir and his beautiful family are
Speaker 2: brought home. To give up on all of these innocent
Speaker 2: families would be like leaving one hundred and twenty people
Speaker 2: in a concentration camp. No one would dare suggest such
Speaker 2: a thing, and no one should dare suggest that we
Speaker 2: leave behind hostages.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Now, Pennywog, who has visited Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Museum
Speaker 2: in Israel, should think twice before the demanding of Israel
Speaker 2: an immediate ceasefire until all our hostages are home safe.
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring in tonight's panel, sky News contributor
Speaker 2: Joe Hildebrad and Sky News host Listora. Welcome to you both. Liz,
Speaker 2: what do you think about this? I mean, it's so
Speaker 2: hard to imagine. And I actually put questions to Pennywonk's
Speaker 2: media advisor today saying is she happy? Is she joyful
Speaker 2: at the release of these hostages?
Speaker 1: And nothing? She can't even say she is.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: She's been very consistent for a long time now, and
Speaker 4: the urban Eezi government has been very clearly throwing their
Speaker 4: lot in with the UN, whether that's backing the calls
Speaker 4: for ceasefire months ago or most recently recognizing Palestinian Palestine.
Speaker 4: I should say not that it's a real place as
Speaker 4: a sovereign state. And what I found really interesting about
Speaker 4: this when we found three of those hostige is in.
Speaker 1: One of the UN camps. It reminded me of all
Speaker 1: the stories we've.
Speaker 4: Heard of how complicit the UN has been on Palestine
Speaker 4: side of things Throughout the IDF said that they found
Speaker 4: one of the terrorist tunnels underneath the UN headquarters in Gaza.
Speaker 1: We know that twelve of unra's.
Speaker 4: Employees were actively involved in the atrocities of October seven.
Speaker 4: IDF claims that there's actually more of them working there.
Speaker 1: They say up to fifty percent of.
Speaker 4: Unra's employees have close ties to either of the terrorist
Speaker 4: groups operating in the region. And now we're sending ann Ali,
Speaker 4: who remember, condemned Israel along.
Speaker 1: With ed Husak. Why are you laughing, Joe, It's not.
Speaker 5: It's funny that.
Speaker 6: Of the government to go there. You should at least
Speaker 6: pretend you're not biased anyway.
Speaker 4: Well, they in October, so this was right after the massacres.
Speaker 4: She and ed Husick condemned Israel and said that it
Speaker 4: had to be looked into for war crimes.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are our representatives. This is what Australia
Speaker 1: is dealing with.
Speaker 4: Now we have a government who is one hundred and
Speaker 4: ten percent on board with the UN agenda, which we
Speaker 4: have known for as long as it has existed.
Speaker 1: Basically has hated Israel.
Speaker 4: Since twenty fifteen, they have condemned Israel one hundred and
Speaker 4: forty times, every other member state combined sixty eight times.
Speaker 4: And Joe, what I think also was so shocking about
Speaker 4: this is the fact that three hostages were kept in
Speaker 4: a journalist's home.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I find that sickening. I must have been.
Speaker 6: I was talking to a friends of mine and the
Speaker 6: media and politics on Saturday before this story broke, saying
Speaker 6: there's no way the hostages are alive. Surely they're all dead.
Speaker 6: And you know this is why you know Hamas doesn't
Speaker 6: have any bargaining chips left.
Speaker 5: To know that Hamas.
Speaker 6: Actually had free hostages, had living hostage is I should
Speaker 6: say that it could have freed if it wanted to
Speaker 6: parlay with Israel and bargain to get aid through. I
Speaker 6: think speaks to just what an appalling I mean. This
Speaker 6: sounds like an understatement of centric and appalling bad faith
Speaker 6: actor harmss IS. It's a terrorist organization of course, the
Speaker 6: bad faith actor.
Speaker 5: So I think that bells the cat.
Speaker 6: I think there is an argument for Israel not to
Speaker 6: be like to actually to rise above and to put
Speaker 6: more moral pressure on her mass by saying, all right, we'll,
Speaker 6: you know, have a temporary cease fire to let AID
Speaker 6: in and now there you go, We've done that.
Speaker 1: Where are the hostage and letting it AID in constantly?
Speaker 2: I mean the last thing is I looked out a
Speaker 2: fortnite ago with something like twenty thousand AID trucks.
Speaker 6: No I no, I know, I know, but there are
Speaker 6: millions and millions of people, and so even even though
Speaker 6: twenty thousand eight.
Speaker 1: Trucks the mass millions of millions, I'm.
Speaker 5: Not no, no, I'm not. I'm not just like that.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that, but I'm saying better for it's
Speaker 7: better for Israel's reputation, it's better for Israel standing if
Speaker 7: they don't say, well, you know, har Maassa is just
Speaker 7: as bad or worse than us.
Speaker 5: I think Israel should.
Speaker 2: I don't think Israel saying that Israel is Israel's letting
Speaker 2: in so much AID. And part of the frustration by
Speaker 2: Benny Gantz is that Benjamin Netta, who has been procrastinating
Speaker 2: so hasn't been moving into Rappa fast enough and so
Speaker 2: there is that debate going on. We'll get to that
Speaker 2: later in the show with Dave Sharma. Let's turn now, though,
Speaker 2: to the crisis engulfing nine Entertainment. As you'll know last night,
Speaker 2: chairman Peter Costello resigned effective immediately, just three days after
Speaker 2: that ugly physical altercation with journalist Liam Mendes at Canberra Airport.
Speaker 2: Just a reminder, here's how that unfolded.
Speaker 7: Why don't you support mister sneezebe publicly?
Speaker 5: Goodness, Well, you've got to answer the question, mister thank you.
Speaker 5: You've just assaulted You've just assaulted me.
Speaker 2: Now, just this afternoon, the Sydney Morning Herald published its
Speaker 2: own editorial by its editor, Bevin Shields, and they said
Speaker 2: that Costello did have to go. The editorial references the
Speaker 2: moment when Costello was asked whether he should end his
Speaker 2: reigner's chair because of this incident, and he said, rubbish
Speaker 2: were Bevin Shield's rights and I quote what was rubbish
Speaker 2: was Costello's belief that he could hold onto his job.
Speaker 2: It was simply untenable for the chair of a media
Speaker 2: company that employs hundreds of journalists to seemingly shove a
Speaker 2: reported to the ground, laugh, walk off and carry on
Speaker 2: in the boardroom as if nothing happened. Now Costello has
Speaker 2: been replaced by one of nine's board directors, Catherine West,
Speaker 2: now of Catherine West Bevin Shield's Rights.
Speaker 1: She and other board members will remain under.
Speaker 2: Pressure to explain whether they did enough to deal with
Speaker 2: Wick and the company's broader treatment of women. In addition
Speaker 2: to quelling the justified concerns of shareholders, she will also
Speaker 2: have to regain the trust of staff, particularly women. And meanwhile,
Speaker 2: we saw that the editor in chief of The Australian,
Speaker 2: Michelle Gunn, wrote to Peter Costello and to Nine saying
Speaker 2: that they will need to pay for leam Mendi's camera equipment, which,
Speaker 2: as I told you on Thursday night, was broken when
Speaker 2: he was thrown to the ground.
Speaker 1: Now Li's.
Speaker 2: Initially, Costello tried to claim that he hadn't touched leam Mendes,
Speaker 2: even though you can see in the footage that he
Speaker 2: does shoulder barge him.
Speaker 1: But Costello clearly.
Speaker 2: Didn't think he should have to go that first statement
Speaker 2: he gave on Thursday night, when he fronted the media
Speaker 2: in defiance, he said no Liam fell over backwards into
Speaker 2: an advertising placard.
Speaker 1: He shouldn't have to go.
Speaker 2: Clearly over the weekend there has been pressure on him
Speaker 2: from the board and then finally that resignation last night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after he said it was rubbish that he should
Speaker 1: go home.
Speaker 4: But obviously the axe fell and he wasn't left with
Speaker 4: any choice because a man like Costello does not leave
Speaker 4: if there's any other option. But the extent of his
Speaker 4: own delusion that he could just pass this off as
Speaker 4: being oh, the reporter tripped and fell, mate, there's footage.
Speaker 4: In fact, we still haven't seen any CCTV footage.
Speaker 1: But who makes up a.
Speaker 4: Story like that when they know full well enough footage.
Speaker 2: There's enough footage you can see he comes at him
Speaker 2: with the shoulder.
Speaker 4: Indeed, but there were witnesses which Liam then went and
Speaker 4: talked to. What kind of person bothers making up another
Speaker 4: story and tries shoving it under the carpet when you
Speaker 4: so clearly did what you're being accused of having done. So,
Speaker 4: as Sydney Morning Herald has written, he had to go.
Speaker 4: Indeed he did. Now he's gone, but nine still has
Speaker 4: a lot of other problems to be cleaning up.
Speaker 1: Right now, and Joe.
Speaker 2: As you can see from that editorial in the nine newspapers,
Speaker 2: there is still concern about the remaining board directors what
Speaker 2: they knew about Darren Wick's behavior, you know, whether they
Speaker 2: ignored it, and not just the board.
Speaker 1: Members, but Mike Sneeze Bee.
Speaker 2: So I think there is still a loss of confidence
Speaker 2: from inside nine in the chief executive.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's true. I think. I mean, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: Someone asked me if I.
Speaker 6: Was surprised that Peter Costello resigned suddenly on Sunday night,
Speaker 6: so surprised it took him that long. I was surprised
Speaker 6: that he actually saw the end of Friday Night out
Speaker 6: as chairman of nine. And I think you asked the question,
Speaker 6: what sort of person sort of behaves like that and
Speaker 6: then thinks that they can just, through almost sheer force
Speaker 6: of will, explain it.
Speaker 5: Away as though nothing had happened.
Speaker 6: And the answer is the sort of person who is
Speaker 6: used to controlling the entire world around them, controlling the
Speaker 6: entire environment around them. And one of the very telling
Speaker 6: things that Peter Costello's time was rapidly coming to an
Speaker 6: end was things like that in the Sydney Worl Herald.
Speaker 6: Now I don't know how much to heart they take
Speaker 6: the tagline independent always, but it seems to me that a
Speaker 6: lot of their reporting going after people are Alan Jones
Speaker 6: quite rightly by the magnificent Kate McClement, Darren Wick himself,
Speaker 6: and of course Peter Costello came either after those people
Speaker 6: had left the building or as the cracks were clearly
Speaker 6: starting to emerge. And I think when you were starting
Speaker 6: to look at the volume of reports in the nine
Speaker 6: press and then also the sort of harder edges that
Speaker 6: those reports were getting, you very much get the impression
Speaker 6: that this is not the sort of thing you say
Speaker 6: to a boss who has complete control. And these guys
Speaker 6: clearly were losing support from the nine executive and from
Speaker 6: the board itself. In the case of Costello, I think
Speaker 6: anyone who had money on Peter Costello resigning at Mike
Speaker 6: sneezeby still being around at the end of this, would
Speaker 6: have done very very.
Speaker 5: Well indeed at the TAB. But I think both both.
Speaker 2: Men have been under significantly pressure because you know, these
Speaker 2: are serious allegations of sexual harassment affecting nine women, you know,
Speaker 2: nine Channel nine women at all levels, junior and senior.
Speaker 1: They are serious issues.
Speaker 2: They shouldn't have been happening, and there were various women
Speaker 2: who either raised complaints or various allegations at different levels.
Speaker 2: And so you know, it's quite right that there are
Speaker 2: questions about why this was allowed to go on for
Speaker 2: so long, and those questions still haven't.
Speaker 6: Certainly I've been told about saying so I find it
Speaker 6: hard to believe that people in the organization have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's turn to Greece, where the hunt
Speaker 2: for missing TV doctor Michael Moseley came to a tragic
Speaker 2: end last night, his body found days after he went
Speaker 2: missing in a cruel tip twist. His body was found
Speaker 2: close to safety, next to a.
Speaker 1: Low wall with a beach resort.
Speaker 2: On the other side, Liz, we still don't know precisely
Speaker 2: what happened, what led to his death, but at least
Speaker 2: there is some closure for his wife and family.
Speaker 4: Now. Yeah, to think his body was found by a
Speaker 4: photographer who was simply taking photos, it's great as in
Speaker 4: it that was how it was identified. He was taking photos,
Speaker 4: noticed something in the water, zoomed in on it on
Speaker 4: his camera and was like, I think that's I think
Speaker 4: that's a body there, And so they went down and
Speaker 4: found him just a tragic story. One of my friend's
Speaker 4: friends is in Greece at the moment. He was having
Speaker 4: lunch at the cafe that Moseley walked past that day.
Speaker 1: About same island.
Speaker 4: Yes, and they said at the time he walked past.
Speaker 4: I think several I've seen pictures of the CCTV footage.
Speaker 4: Just the last time that we did see him alive,
Speaker 4: it would have been forty five to forty seven degrees
Speaker 4: so it was a very very hot day. And just
Speaker 4: to think that he may have just gone for a walk,
Speaker 4: gotten lost and not had any water on him, it's
Speaker 4: just so devastating or a medical episode, we simply don't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I've been to Simmy.
Speaker 6: I've been to that island in the middle of summer
Speaker 6: and it is scorchingly hot. It's very very rocky, there's
Speaker 6: very very little cover. I've also met Michael Mosley and
Speaker 6: who's a lovely, lovely man. He was a lovely man. Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's yeah. When you're on a morning show on television
Speaker 6: for seven years, you meet every single, every single diet
Speaker 6: expert in the world.
Speaker 2: Well, I would ask if you've done the five to die,
Speaker 2: But knowing you for the past twenty years, Joe, you
Speaker 2: have never needed to die.
Speaker 6: Never needed to But my very good friend Ned who
Speaker 6: might be your very good friend, fine and proud Jewish
Speaker 6: man did the five to two when we've worked together.
Speaker 1: I don't know old Jews as it turned out.
Speaker 2: Hello, one day you can introduce him to net All right,
Speaker 2: lista Joe hudibrand thank you guys so much. Now coming up,
Speaker 2: Anthney Alberanezi returns to the climate was once again as
Speaker 2: Dutton catches up to him in the polls, plus the
Speaker 2: US consulate in Sydney targeted pro Palestinian protest. I'll speak
Speaker 2: with Liberal Senator Dave Sharma next. Welcome back, We'll Voters
Speaker 2: are deserting the Albanezy government, with Peter Dutton closing in
Speaker 2: as preferred prime minister.
Speaker 1: According to Newspoll. In the Odds.
Speaker 2: Today, Labour's primary vote fell one point to thirty three percent,
Speaker 2: compared with the Coalition, which gained two points to thirty
Speaker 2: nine percent. To analyze this, let's bring in now Bill
Speaker 2: Shorten's former chief of staff now GXO Strategies director Cameron Milne.
Speaker 1: Cameron, great to see you.
Speaker 2: Look, it's really the coalition that's improved here because Labour's
Speaker 2: primary was thirty three percent at the last election, which
Speaker 2: is basically the same.
Speaker 1: Result that it is now.
Speaker 2: So what we're seeing is Peter Dutton really lifting the
Speaker 2: coalition's performance.
Speaker 8: What do you think, Well, it's groundhole day for Labor
Speaker 8: because their primary hasn't shifted in two years, and little
Speaker 8: wonder because Albanese hasn't shifted in two years. But no,
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton's a winning out of today's News poll because
Speaker 8: he's consolidated the Liberal and Coalition primary vote and that's critical.
Speaker 8: It's critical not any Labor marginal seats, but also against
Speaker 8: the Teals. So Peter Dutton and News poll very good
Speaker 8: news for him, not so good news for Albanese because
Speaker 8: it has gone nowhere in two years.
Speaker 2: Look when I interviewed Peter Dutton a week ago on Sunday,
Speaker 2: he made the point to me that while there hasn't
Speaker 2: been a government who lost after one term since nineteen
Speaker 2: thirty one, he thinks it can be done.
Speaker 1: He says.
Speaker 2: The momentums in his direction. You know, the argument is
Speaker 2: that it's similar to the trends we saw before the voice.
Speaker 1: Do you think this is possible?
Speaker 2: Do you think, like you know, most commentators do that
Speaker 2: will probably end up in a minority government or hung
Speaker 2: parliament situation.
Speaker 5: Well, the best.
Speaker 8: Labor can hope for with the way Albanese is traveling
Speaker 8: is minority government. It propped up by entitled Teals and
Speaker 8: anti Semitic Greens. I mean, that's the future for the
Speaker 8: Albanese government on these current poles. But no, I think
Speaker 8: the situation is in nineteen thirty one. It's twenty ten.
Speaker 8: I mean Gillard and Swann took Rudd's majority and smashed
Speaker 8: it and became minority government in one term. Bill Shorten
Speaker 8: took Tony Abbott's majority in twenty thirteen and in twenty
Speaker 8: sixteen came within one seat in the first term Liberal government.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot more volatility than people expect, and
Speaker 8: commentators should look at the last ten years of elections,
Speaker 8: not the last hundred years, because Peter Dutton may very
Speaker 8: well make a majority government in as little time as
Speaker 8: May next year.
Speaker 2: And of course when Bill Shoton took it to within
Speaker 2: one seat, that was blamed on Meddi scare campaign, or
Speaker 2: that's at least what Malcolm Turmill blamed it on Cameron.
Speaker 1: Look, we are seeing good campaign.
Speaker 2: Well might have been a good one, but it was
Speaker 2: a false one. Anthony Albanesi and Penny Woe combined. Do
Speaker 2: you think these are? This is potentially the worst Prime
Speaker 2: Minister and Foreign Minister in terms of a combination leading
Speaker 2: Australia that we've ever had.
Speaker 8: Well, it's unfortunately a long list chari We had Sir
Speaker 8: Robert Menzi's selling iron to the Japanese in ninety thirty nine.
Speaker 8: We had Fraser with Andrew Peacock, who really was the
Speaker 8: Minister for Foreign Affairs as he chased Shirley maclain around
Speaker 8: the globe while on the taxpayer's dime. So we've had
Speaker 8: some pretty bad combinations. Look, what I will say is
Speaker 8: it's the weakest. It's the weakest combination I've ever seen.
Speaker 8: Week on China, week on anti Semitism, week on Islamic extremism,
Speaker 8: we got hate preachers at home. I mean Alberti's and
Speaker 8: Wong keep making the same weak choices. Now they've got
Speaker 8: nine months to earn themselves the worst ever and let's
Speaker 8: hope they don't get there, because at the rate they're
Speaker 8: going they may well win that prize in the first term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I certainly agree with you. Definitely A week
Speaker 2: when it comes to foreign policy. The Prime Minister today
Speaker 2: tried to change the topic. We've saw the detainee debacle
Speaker 2: has really him over the past couple of weeks. In
Speaker 2: particular today he said that Peter Dutton was worse than
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison on climate change.
Speaker 1: Let's have a look at that.
Speaker 9: He is all negativity and no plan. And what we've
Speaker 9: seen now for two years under Peter Dutton as a
Speaker 9: reluctance to announce any policies. We've seen three now budget
Speaker 9: replies without a single costing.
Speaker 2: And this is off the back of Peter Dutton saying
Speaker 2: once again that he would ditch Labour's twenty thirty net
Speaker 2: zero target and instead keep the twenty fifteen net zero target.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton told the Weekend Australian that Labor has no hope.
Speaker 1: Of achieving the targets.
Speaker 2: He says, there's no sense in signing up to targets
Speaker 2: you don't have any prospect of achieving. What do you
Speaker 2: think about this, Cameron? You know we are in a
Speaker 2: cost of living crisis. That's the overarching issue affecting most Australians.
Speaker 2: So do you think Albanezi returning to the time was
Speaker 2: will work for him.
Speaker 1: Politically, No, I.
Speaker 8: Don't because cost of living is absolutely the number one issue,
Speaker 8: cost of living, cost living, cost living, and look tomorrow's
Speaker 8: state budget brought down by Cameron Dick is all about
Speaker 8: cost of living, so all the other state premiers.
Speaker 5: So it was Jim Chalmer's.
Speaker 8: Budget that got buried by Albanese's week leadership on immigration
Speaker 8: a range of other matters. So no, Look, I think
Speaker 8: Albanese is trying for the distraction, trying to set up
Speaker 8: some faux war that's ten years old. I don't think
Speaker 8: it'll work because people are really concerned about putting bread
Speaker 8: and butter on the table and making sure they can
Speaker 8: pay the energy bills that are crippling them at the moment, and.
Speaker 1: Keeping a roof over their heads. You know, the housing crisis.
Speaker 2: Whether absolutely people are renting or whether they're struggling with
Speaker 2: their mortgages, it is certainly tough. Camin Milner, thank you
Speaker 2: very much for your insights. Now let's bring in now
Speaker 2: Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave also, of course Australia's former
Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel, welcome to the program. Look, we saw
Speaker 2: a pro Palestinian activists target and vandalize the US Consulate
Speaker 2: in Sydney today, a sledgehammer was used. There's graffiti across
Speaker 2: the front of the consulate. I mean, let's bring up
Speaker 2: those pictures now. And this is just the latest incident.
Speaker 2: We also heard Ray Hadley on TGB this morning report that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: that red triangle that you can see there, that's apparently
Speaker 2: a symbol where something is a target of a mus
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, what's your reaction to this really worrying attack.
Speaker 10: Well, it's embarrassing, sharing because it's an attack on the
Speaker 10: diplomatic premises which are meant to be protected under international
Speaker 10: law of a close friend and ally. But it's also
Speaker 10: part of a climate of lawlessness and disorder. It's been
Speaker 10: allowed to develop because of weak leadership by the state
Speaker 10: of federal governments. I mean, how is it that outside
Speaker 10: of the US consulate, I expect there are closed circuit
Speaker 10: television cameras, expect their security footage. When are the perpetrators
Speaker 10: of these crimes vandalism, property damage, incitement, harassment, racial valification.
Speaker 10: When is someone going to be arrested, When is someone
Speaker 10: going to be charged? When is someone going to be
Speaker 10: brought to justice for this? So we send a message
Speaker 10: that this sort of conduct is not acceptable. But what
Speaker 10: we've seen is this growing climate of anarchy in our
Speaker 10: streets where people who ostensibly say they're propalaestineed more often
Speaker 10: than not their pro Hamas seem to think that the
Speaker 10: laws that apply to the rest of society do not
Speaker 10: apply to them. And we've allowed this to develop. Our
Speaker 10: Prime minister has allowed this to develop, Our premier has
Speaker 10: allowed this to develop in New South Wales, and our
Speaker 10: police leadership is taking the lead from them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, they'd be forgiven for thinking that
Speaker 2: the laws don't apply to them, because, as you say,
Speaker 2: we see very few arrests despite the level of vandalism,
Speaker 2: the aggression, not to mention the hate speech, and there
Speaker 2: are laws for hate speech, it would be good to
Speaker 2: see them used in relation to these sort of racist attacks.
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, let's return to this news that there were
Speaker 2: four hostages rescued by Israel on Saturday night. What do
Speaker 2: you think about the fact that they were held, that
Speaker 2: three of them were held in the home of a
Speaker 2: Palestinian journalist who was reporting on human rights abuses, and
Speaker 2: do you think this is part of the reason why
Speaker 2: we're seeing such bias in media reporting?
Speaker 10: Well, he's not only a journalist to share, he's also
Speaker 10: a spokesperson for one of the Hamas run ministries. So
Speaker 10: this is one of the quote unquote official sources of
Speaker 10: information that foreign journalists use for figures and facts, and
Speaker 10: it seems that this journalist and spokesperson.
Speaker 11: For Hamas was holding the hostages.
Speaker 10: I mean, this is just it shows you how deeply
Speaker 10: embedded Hamas is in society there, but also how you
Speaker 10: cannot trust a word that they're saying, whether it's about
Speaker 10: casualty figures or what was the cause of a particular
Speaker 10: incident or anything else. And look, first I want to
Speaker 10: say though importantly, I'm so relieved that these hostages behind.
Speaker 10: There's still one hundred and twenty being held there, and
Speaker 10: it's just a great joy to see them reunited with
Speaker 10: their family. But let's remember these weren't freed or released
Speaker 10: by Hamas. They should have been they should have been
Speaker 10: over two hundred and forty days ago. They should never
Speaker 10: have been taken hostage. They were liberated by Israel's military action.
Speaker 10: And all those people who are saying, well, let's have
Speaker 10: a ceasefire without any conditionality attached to it, they're effectively
Speaker 10: saying let's leave the hostages there. This is the only
Speaker 10: thing that's liberating the hostages right.
Speaker 1: Now, exactly exactly. And there's the point I keep making.
Speaker 2: You can't have an immediate cease fire while we still
Speaker 2: have innocent families, even a baby held hostage. Now I've
Speaker 2: criticized tonight the fact that Penny Wang hasn't publicly welcomed
Speaker 2: the news. Well the Prime Minister did today finally welcome
Speaker 2: the news of the hostage.
Speaker 1: Let's have a look.
Speaker 9: Very much welcome hostages being reunited with their families. They
Speaker 9: should never have been hostages taken. The taking of these
Speaker 9: hostages and keeping them in captivity close to where there
Speaker 9: are so many Palestinian civilians is a atrocity and it
Speaker 9: is one of the things that leads us to call
Speaker 9: har maaster terrorist organization to actions of a terrorist organization.
Speaker 2: Dave Sharma, are you surprised our Foreign minister couldn't say
Speaker 2: something similar that she welcomes the release of the hostages.
Speaker 10: Well, firstly, I welcome the comments by the Prime Minister.
Speaker 10: I think they were right in substance out in town,
Speaker 10: but I am surprised. I mean, Patty Wong is very
Speaker 10: quick on her keyboard, to fire off a tweed or
Speaker 10: a post on x whenever anything happens in that region
Speaker 10: that concerns her on behalf of Israel, whether it's Israel's
Speaker 10: behavior or Israel's alleged conduct or an alleged civilian casualties
Speaker 10: from this conflict. But you would think this is one
Speaker 10: of the biggest breakthroughs in this conflict over the last
Speaker 10: few months, and it's a time of great joy. I mean,
Speaker 10: Pennywoll when she was in Israel met some of the
Speaker 10: family members of the hostages who are being held. I
Speaker 10: would have thought the humane and decent thing to do,
Speaker 10: especially when we consider that Israel as one of our
Speaker 10: longest standing and firmest friends in the Middle East, would
Speaker 10: have been to at least welcome this news with a
Speaker 10: short statement, with a tweet, with something like that. But
Speaker 10: instead it's been left to the Prime Minister because it's
Speaker 10: like Penny Wong has a hard time saying anything positive
Speaker 10: with Israel in the same sentence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and look at it did take the Prime
Speaker 2: Minister until today when it happens Saturday night. They could
Speaker 2: have instantly put out a statement immediately on social media,
Speaker 2: like you said, Dave Sharma, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: your strength in this area and for coming on the program.
Speaker 2: Now coming up the premiers that should be facing a
Speaker 2: Royal commission into their COVID lockdown laws instead given at
Speaker 2: King's Birthday honors today and of course the PM applauds
Speaker 2: the decision. Plus Holly Hughes responds to being taken off
Speaker 2: the ticket by the Liberal Party for a below were
Speaker 2: taken off.
Speaker 1: The top of the ticket for a man. All of
Speaker 1: that after the break welcome back will.
Speaker 2: Former Premiers Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan have been awarded
Speaker 2: the Companion of the Order of Australia. Daniel Andrews, who
Speaker 2: was responsible for one of the world's harshest and longest lockdowns,
Speaker 2: which sparked mental health problems in children and a hotel
Speaker 2: quarantine program which caused almost eight hundred deaths, and former
Speaker 2: WA Premier Mark McGowan, who's draconian border policies separated families
Speaker 2: and left businesses struggling well. The Prime Minister first protected
Speaker 2: these premiers from the scrutiny of a Royal commission. A
Speaker 2: royal commission that we need, if for nothing else, to
Speaker 2: make sure that we know what to do if another
Speaker 2: pandemic happens, and then today he applauded their honors.
Speaker 9: Both Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan were very successful from
Speaker 9: the people who matter to their respective states in Victoria
Speaker 9: and Western Australia.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett said that the decision reeked
Speaker 2: of political interference and here he was speaking to James
Speaker 2: McPherson a bit earlier on Sky.
Speaker 12: So we are now giving the highest civilian award to
Speaker 12: an individual who has failed. We are recognizing failure. I
Speaker 12: would like to know why it took so quickly and
Speaker 12: whether in fact there has been political interference in him
Speaker 12: being granted this award, and that wouldn't be surprising because
Speaker 12: the hallmark of Daniel's premiership.
Speaker 5: Was just that.
Speaker 2: Joining me to discuss Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and Deputy
Speaker 2: Chair of the Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security,
Speaker 2: Andrew Wallace, Welcome to you both. Holly, what do you
Speaker 2: think do you think the premiers should have been given
Speaker 2: these honors?
Speaker 13: Absolutely not. It is absolutely disgraceful. I think it demeans
Speaker 13: the awards. I think these awards were really set up
Speaker 13: and established to recognize volunteers in our community. People that
Speaker 13: put themselves out to assist others in Australia not do
Speaker 13: their job, and I think a lot of us could
Speaker 13: argue that both McGowan and Andrews did their job poorly. I
Speaker 13: think it's an insult to Victorians and to West Australians
Speaker 13: that health was included as part of the reasons for
Speaker 13: this recognition. When Andrews is left behind crippling debt, he's
Speaker 13: left behind significant mental health issues after the lockdowns that
Speaker 13: he put Victorias through. And McGowan, I mean, aside from
Speaker 13: cutting way off from the rest of Australia and separating
Speaker 13: families in the most obsane way, with the health system
Speaker 13: is crumbling over there and somehow or other that's granted
Speaker 13: him this award. It is just disgusting, I think on
Speaker 13: every level.
Speaker 2: I mean, it should be the nurses, it should be
Speaker 2: the aged care workers who are recognized because they put
Speaker 2: their health.
Speaker 1: On the line during the pandemic. Andrew Wallace.
Speaker 2: There's also the fact that they're not going to face
Speaker 2: scrutiny at a Royal commission, the inquiry announced by Anthony
Speaker 2: ALBINIZI that doesn't compel the premiers, doesn't you know, force.
Speaker 1: Them to give evidence under subpoenas.
Speaker 2: And this is what is important because if another pandemic hits,
Speaker 2: we do need to know what the right things are.
Speaker 2: You know, do we need masks? Do we need vaccines?
Speaker 2: A lot of people would argue no, of course not,
Speaker 2: but you know, there does need to be a set
Speaker 2: of guidelines established and without a royal commission, we can't
Speaker 2: get the those proper recommendations.
Speaker 11: That's right, Shari.
Speaker 14: Look, please God, there'll never be another pandemic like what
Speaker 14: we saw. I'm sure that we well, one would like
Speaker 14: to think that as governments in this country and across
Speaker 14: the world, that we would have learnt our.
Speaker 11: Lessons from the latest pandemic.
Speaker 14: But unless we pull it apart, turn it upside down
Speaker 14: and give it a good shaking, we'll never really learn
Speaker 14: those lessons. And because of the federation, the way that
Speaker 14: we govern, the way that we are governed in this country,
Speaker 14: to really exclude the state governments, and let's bearing in
Speaker 14: mind it was the state governments.
Speaker 11: That really ruled the roost in relation to health matters.
Speaker 14: To exclude them from a royal commission really smacks of
Speaker 14: political interference and it was just absolutely a cover up
Speaker 14: from the Prime Minister.
Speaker 11: But I see what's really interesting, Shari.
Speaker 14: It's a protection racker. But I tell you what's really interesting.
Speaker 14: I'm sure Hollywood agree with me on this. Whenever I've
Speaker 14: put anybody up for an Australia Award or now a
Speaker 14: King's Birthday honors, it generally takes.
Speaker 11: I've never had one dealt.
Speaker 14: With in under eighteen months, usually two years somewhere around there.
Speaker 11: Isn't it interesting? And bearing your mind?
Speaker 14: Politicians and judges, whoever is in public life never get
Speaker 14: it gone whilst they are serving. But it's really interesting,
Speaker 14: very quick turn around. Then, Mark McGowan resigned almost twelve
Speaker 14: months ago to the day and Daniel Andrews resigned nine
Speaker 14: months ago. So could it be but these two premiers
Speaker 14: had their applications approved or whoever nominated them in less
Speaker 14: than twelve months.
Speaker 11: I smell a rat.
Speaker 1: No good point, now, Holly.
Speaker 2: About two weeks ago you lost your spot on the
Speaker 2: Senate preselection ticket. You were the type of the ticket
Speaker 2: you're now number four. That's considered an unwinnable spot. It
Speaker 2: is an unwinnable spot. Instead, the number one on the
Speaker 2: ticket is one of your colleagues, Andrew brag.
Speaker 1: How do you feel.
Speaker 2: You know, there's been a lot of discussion within the
Speaker 2: Liberal Party about prioritizing women, and I think the Sky audience,
Speaker 2: the Sky viewers would know you as a very strong
Speaker 2: woman who campaigns for a lot of issues, not the
Speaker 2: least of which is anti Semitism. How do you feel
Speaker 2: about being moved down to number four and replaced by
Speaker 2: a man?
Speaker 13: Look, Andrew was always going to get repre selected at
Speaker 13: the end of the day. He's backed by the Moderate
Speaker 13: faction within the Liberal Party and they have been the
Speaker 13: dominant faction in the New South Wales division for a while,
Speaker 13: so he was always going to get there. The other
Speaker 13: people that were running were running against me, and I
Speaker 13: find it a little bit insulting that for some people
Speaker 13: there's a bit of an attitude you can replace one
Speaker 13: woman with another and it doesn't matter. I think you
Speaker 13: do need to look at merit. I think you need
Speaker 13: to look at experience, and I need to think, you know,
Speaker 13: what the contribution that's been made and could obviously continue
Speaker 13: to be being.
Speaker 1: Made, would be considered.
Speaker 13: Unfortunately, it came down to about one hundred and fifty
Speaker 13: pre selectors in New South Wales who decided that I
Speaker 13: was not that woman to continue serving the party. It
Speaker 13: has been met with shockun horror pretty much across the Parliament,
Speaker 13: all sides of the Parliament, so you know, it is
Speaker 13: what it is though, that's what the New South Wales
Speaker 13: Division has decided to do.
Speaker 2: I understand that Peter Dutton didn't have anything to do
Speaker 2: with this, but the Shadow Treasurer Angus Taylor did, is
Speaker 2: that right?
Speaker 13: Yeah, so he certainly wrote a reference for another woman
Speaker 13: who was running in the race that she would make
Speaker 13: a great contribution. So the question was raised at the
Speaker 13: time not only by Andrew and myself who are current
Speaker 13: shadow ministerial colleagues of Angus Taylor's, but also you know
Speaker 13: which one of us and a lot of our other
Speaker 13: colleagues raise the point which one of us should be
Speaker 13: being replaced? So now we know what the intention was
Speaker 13: behind that. This is unprecedented in Angus Taylor for doing that.
Speaker 13: It's unprecedented for a colleague to actively campaign against other
Speaker 13: particularly shadow ministerial colleagues.
Speaker 11: Peter Dutton and Susan.
Speaker 13: Lee run a very very or on United team. I
Speaker 13: think this has probably exhibited more personal ambition than ambition
Speaker 13: for the team, which is something that, you.
Speaker 1: Know, I wish days.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I think that his personal ambition has got in
Speaker 13: the way of keeping the unity in the team.
Speaker 1: Well, he's gone against Peter Dutton here.
Speaker 13: Peter Dutton had given a reference to Andrew Bragg and
Speaker 13: myself that he wanted to keep his shadow ministerial team
Speaker 13: together and I think you know, really Dennis Shanahan probably
Speaker 13: summed it up in The Australian Best earlier when he
Speaker 13: said that Angus Taylor has to get serious about detail
Speaker 13: and present a more mature alternative in Parliament. And I
Speaker 13: don't think anyone could say it better than Dennis there.
Speaker 13: It's interesting that he's spending more time on factional politics
Speaker 13: in New South Wales. I think that perhaps his portfolio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very strong remarks are accusing the Shadow Treasurer
Speaker 2: of spending more time.
Speaker 13: Well, I don't know whether he spent more time, but
Speaker 13: he certainly shows and the history you know, he has
Speaker 13: always been even if you don't like a colleague, you
Speaker 13: don't actively campaign against them.
Speaker 2: No, indeed, Andrew, Well, let's just to get your reaction
Speaker 2: to Peter Dutton's comments on the zero target. He's now saying,
Speaker 2: or he has been saying for a while that it
Speaker 2: doesn't look like the twenty thirty targets are going to
Speaker 2: be met, so we should push it back to twenty fifty.
Speaker 1: What's your reaction to that.
Speaker 14: I think there's probably only one person in the world
Speaker 14: who thinks that labor will get us to forty three
Speaker 14: percent reduction by twenty thirty, and that's Chris Bowen.
Speaker 11: Nobody believes that that's going to happen.
Speaker 14: Particularly with the framework that they've laid out, the amount
Speaker 14: of solar panels that need to be laid on the
Speaker 14: daily basis, the amount of wind turbines that need to
Speaker 14: be constructed on a daily basis, it's just not going
Speaker 14: to happen. So we're committed to ensuring that we get
Speaker 14: to net zero by twenty fifty, absolutely, but we want
Speaker 14: to ensure that we effectively hold the government to its
Speaker 14: commitments that it has made, and the reality is it's
Speaker 14: most impossible for.
Speaker 11: It to achieve it. But I think.
Speaker 14: The comments that Cameron Milner made earlier were really appropriate.
Speaker 14: Very few people are now talking about this. What people
Speaker 14: are absolutely focused on is cost of living.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, apologies, Andrew, but we are out of time
Speaker 2: right now. I've got to get to Kosher Garden next
Speaker 2: to Andrew Wallis, Hollyho's great.
Speaker 1: To see you.
Speaker 2: Sorry now after the break, the latest on Hunter Biden's
Speaker 2: gun trial and the stark difference between how the media
Speaker 2: has portrayed Hunter Biden's case compared to Donald Trump's. Stay tuned,
Speaker 2: welcome back. Well, let's bring in now Sky News contributor
Speaker 2: Kosher Garter Kosher, great to see you. Look, we've just
Speaker 2: seen that the second week of Hunter Biden's gun trial,
Speaker 2: prosecution has rested its case. Where do you think they're
Speaker 2: up to in terms of proving whether or not he
Speaker 2: was actually using drugs in the days before he bought
Speaker 2: a gun.
Speaker 3: You know, I think this case, Shari, much like the
Speaker 3: Trump case, is going to come down to less so
Speaker 3: about the proof and how compelling the prosecution is going
Speaker 3: to be or not going to be in what they're proving,
Speaker 3: but ultimately the jury and how favorable is the jury
Speaker 3: going to be or not? You know, because this case,
Speaker 3: the whole premise of it is, as you point out,
Speaker 3: was he addicted which is where the felony charge comes in.
Speaker 3: Was he addicted to substances at the time of procuring
Speaker 3: a gun? They're going to argue, well, you know, in
Speaker 3: the day before it or the day after it, the
Speaker 3: defense will argue he wasn't, and that's kind of a
Speaker 3: hard thing to prove one way or the other. They
Speaker 3: do have some corroborating evidence from his own accounts that
Speaker 3: he's published, et cetera, so that will all air out.
Speaker 3: I think ultimately it comes down to the Delaware jury.
Speaker 3: The Bidens are very well known in Delaware, and ultimately,
Speaker 3: regardless of the facts and law, what is the jury
Speaker 3: likely to do, I think is what this is where
Speaker 3: this is going to wind up.
Speaker 2: What about the media treatment of the two cases, the
Speaker 2: Donald Trump case and the Hunter Biden one. Do you know,
Speaker 2: do you notice the difference in the tone?
Speaker 11: One hundred percent?
Speaker 3: I think there's a reason why media approval sits somewhere
Speaker 3: between Congress and various terrorist groups. To be honest, it's
Speaker 3: like very low in the teens. I think are low
Speaker 3: teens the approval rating for this because people know and
Speaker 3: they see right through it. There's an agenda for sure
Speaker 3: with most of the media, and I think that's why
Speaker 3: you don't see that much polling has changed in the
Speaker 3: aftermath of either the Trump case or even this current
Speaker 3: ongoing case because most of the electorate is baking it
Speaker 3: into the case and they really see through the media
Speaker 3: as being not so much reporting the facts, but more
Speaker 3: so just influencing opinion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, indeed, all right, Kosha Goata, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for joining us tonight, and to everyone at home, have
Speaker 2: a great rest of your lovely long weekend.
Speaker 1: I'll see you tomorrow at eight. And here's Paul Mari