WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 19 August

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<v Speaker 1>From the sky in center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the precious getting the Prime Minister when he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing this in Parliament today too, the man who has

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<v Speaker 1>better poll numbers than him. Position wrong with there something

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with you? Yeah, that's as childish as that it's

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<v Speaker 1>getting now. Of course, this government has got plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>things that are well the wrong side of issues when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to Australians. Pole off the Pole have told

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<v Speaker 1>us that not just is the gap narrowing, but the

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<v Speaker 1>honeymoon is way behind. And where now in a scenario

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<v Speaker 1>where for many Australians they want the Labor Party and

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister to sleep on the couch, that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>mean that they don't give up the fight and question time.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't mean that they don't have a media that,

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, will try to amplify their message all day

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<v Speaker 1>every day and make everything about Peter Dutton. To that

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<v Speaker 1>in a second. But as you've heard the polls, yet

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<v Speaker 1>another one tells us that if there was an election

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend, the Liberal Party would win at fifty one

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<v Speaker 1>forty nine. Of course, the big asterisk there is well

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<v Speaker 1>that might be the national result and unless those teal

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<v Speaker 1>seats move well, it would be most likely a minority government.

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<v Speaker 1>But at forty nine versus fifty one percent and a

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<v Speaker 1>primary vote at just thirty two percent, the minority government

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<v Speaker 1>would not just be a couple of seats, it'd be

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<v Speaker 1>half a dozen or maybe more. Now for the Liberal Party,

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<v Speaker 1>the reason they're at fifty one is because their primary

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<v Speaker 1>vote is now in the forties. At any other normal election,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be the beginnings of a potential victory. But

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<v Speaker 1>again the asterisk is always the teals. I say that

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<v Speaker 1>because I don't want to get your expectations up. And

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<v Speaker 1>two we all know there are plenty of people that

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<v Speaker 1>will run off the umpire misinformation. Misinformation but still really important.

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<v Speaker 1>But then there's this question. It's the same result but

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<v Speaker 1>a different pole. It is an extreme majority of Australians

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<v Speaker 1>who believe we are headed in the wrong direction. This

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<v Speaker 1>one comes out via Freshwater and the Financial Review. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you can see there, the number of Australians think

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<v Speaker 1>we're headed in the wrong direction is now close to

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<v Speaker 1>sixty percent. The number of those who believe that we

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<v Speaker 1>are in the right direction, well, it is in the thirties.

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<v Speaker 1>There the number that remain unsure well it's a small

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<v Speaker 1>enough number, but it's not enough that if it all

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<v Speaker 1>went to the right side of things, it would start

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<v Speaker 1>to level out. Australians know this country is in the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong place, and it is there because of the current government,

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<v Speaker 1>because they told us a lie about power bills, because

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<v Speaker 1>they told us a lie about cost of living, and

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<v Speaker 1>so much more. Well, we've got more news that reinforces

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<v Speaker 1>the pole numbers and again they most likely will make

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<v Speaker 1>them worse if not stay in the position where labor

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<v Speaker 1>is losing. Right now, today, major energy retailers came forward

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us about the number of people who are

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<v Speaker 1>struggling to pay their power bills. In literally a football

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<v Speaker 1>stadium of people are now stayed in the four behind

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<v Speaker 1>and are reaching out to them to say I can't pay.

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<v Speaker 1>Two of Australia's large power companies have revealed the combined

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<v Speaker 1>number of customers in their hardship program i e. They're

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<v Speaker 1>paying back cents on the dollar has stored by thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand, or up by forty percent in the past year.

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<v Speaker 1>Origins disclosed that their number is now ninety seven thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>That's up from seventy one thousand a year ago. Thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seven percent increase. Meanwhile, AGL has reported that the number

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<v Speaker 1>on theirs has gone up by the best part of

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<v Speaker 1>eight and a half thousand. That's nearly twenty seven and

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<v Speaker 1>a half thousand people whose power bills come from AGL

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<v Speaker 1>that are currently in a scenario where they are paying

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<v Speaker 1>back cents in the dollar. They are not paying back

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<v Speaker 1>the full bill each and every month, each and every quarter,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on how it is actually calculated. Combine the two

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<v Speaker 1>retailers have got one hundred and twenty five thousand customers

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<v Speaker 1>in hardship. That was ninety thousand this time last year.

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<v Speaker 1>Now remember we were told last year that was as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as it gets. Well, of course it has got worse.

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<v Speaker 1>The python that is cost of living has only ever

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<v Speaker 1>got tied, and the number of people who are in

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<v Speaker 1>trouble is ever growing. Another example is the number of

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<v Speaker 1>people that having difficulties paying back their mortgages. Keep being

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<v Speaker 1>told that politically the thirteenth rate rise will be the

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<v Speaker 1>killer for the Abanezy government. I would suggest, as we

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<v Speaker 1>have said all the way through, maybe the twelfth, the eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>the tenth, the ninth, or the eighth may well have

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<v Speaker 1>also been just as damning the government's in trouble. It's

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<v Speaker 1>in trouble in issues of its own making, and most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it is in trouble after failing to deliver on its

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<v Speaker 1>promises of everything gets better, when the reality is if

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<v Speaker 1>you are paying off a house or just living in

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<v Speaker 1>one that needs power, everything is getting worse. Now. Specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>another thing worth pointing out in all of these poles

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<v Speaker 1>are the issues, because the issues are horrible for the government.

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<v Speaker 1>They are way behind on cost of living, they are

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<v Speaker 1>way behind on taxation, they are way behind on all

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<v Speaker 1>of the key issues that we know people care about.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one that supposedly was absolutely a third rail

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<v Speaker 1>an electric fence, which was going to do in the opposition,

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<v Speaker 1>is all matters to do with who comes to the

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<v Speaker 1>country and the manner in which they come. Well, this pile,

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<v Speaker 1>which was asking the question when the press gallery was

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<v Speaker 1>going nuts, it shows the Liberal Party forty one percent

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<v Speaker 1>of people saying that they're the best ones to handle it.

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<v Speaker 1>Immigration twenty four percent. Now, of course they'll tell us

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<v Speaker 1>this is just a hangover of clueless Clare O'Neil, who's

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<v Speaker 1>now going on to stuff up the housing portfolio, or

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<v Speaker 1>the idiot Andrew Giles, But of course, it's not just

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<v Speaker 1>the people. It's the policies, it's the ideas, it's the

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<v Speaker 1>number of people that have been brought into the country

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<v Speaker 1>while all of those other problems are taking place where

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<v Speaker 1>the rental cues are around the corner, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>call Triple O, you may or may not get an

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<v Speaker 1>ambulance because they may be stuck at a hospital. Because

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<v Speaker 1>every single state government, all of which bar one are Labor,

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<v Speaker 1>have been running record ran but of course to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this, this oh so horribly racist. Now I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the Labor Party decided to keep going on

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<v Speaker 1>the issues of last week in and around whom is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to come to the country from

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<v Speaker 1>what is happening in the Middle East right now? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>The Liberal Party, they had question after question after question

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<v Speaker 1>them more than happy to talk about this for another

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<v Speaker 1>week because while the press galery think this is political death,

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<v Speaker 1>we all know it's not. By almost a margin of

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<v Speaker 1>two to.

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<v Speaker 2>One, Australia is a feeling disappointed in the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>and questioning his competence and honesty.

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<v Speaker 1>She's just dished out on the previous government. She hasn't

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<v Speaker 1>answered the question which was relevant to what made her

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<v Speaker 1>government was willing, But you.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't leave out the middle of one sentence that you're

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<v Speaker 2>quoting and pretend that that is an accurate reflection of

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<v Speaker 2>what has been said by the person you are quoting.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the Labor Party think that their best defense here

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<v Speaker 1>is again as the Prime Minister showed us to say

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<v Speaker 1>something with you guys, they think that all politics is

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<v Speaker 1>the same. Whatever's been practiced in places like the United

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<v Speaker 1>States will automatically kick in here because there are so

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<v Speaker 1>many people that are on social media. Well, of course

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<v Speaker 1>they're not. And you can't tell people that the other

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<v Speaker 1>guys are strange or weird when it's your government that

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<v Speaker 1>promised so much but has delivered the exact opposite that said.

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<v Speaker 1>They try On.

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<v Speaker 3>Election day twenty twenty two, that's right, in an extraordinary act,

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<v Speaker 3>the leader of the opposition at one twenty six pm

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<v Speaker 3>was busy tweeting out information that was national security and

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<v Speaker 3>attempt an attempt to politicize once again information that the

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<v Speaker 3>then government had.

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<v Speaker 4>This is the most divisive opposition leader that we have seen.

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<v Speaker 1>Kerry Packer. So you only get one Allen Bond in

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<v Speaker 1>your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I reckon John Sector's worked out you only get

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<v Speaker 5>one Peter Dunnan in your lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>Really, Now, this is a sign of how the government

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<v Speaker 1>knows it's in trouble, because it has to appeal to

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<v Speaker 1>its most hard court supporters that we're still in the fight.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not an awful lot of people in the middle

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<v Speaker 1>who even know half of what has just been said.

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<v Speaker 1>The reference to tweets on election days. Of course, that

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<v Speaker 1>there was an illegal bote arrival. Of course, all of

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<v Speaker 1>this is completely forgotten and was of course the responsibility

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<v Speaker 1>of the Home Affairs Minister to be able to make

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<v Speaker 1>that public. Now, of course, any tweet coming out on

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<v Speaker 1>election day is hardly going to move people, especially when

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<v Speaker 1>about a third of the country votes early. But who

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<v Speaker 1>even remembers that's a super deep cut for the backbench,

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<v Speaker 1>a super deep cut for the media, And of course

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<v Speaker 1>we know there are plenty in the media who want

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<v Speaker 1>to pretend that somehow Peter Duddon crossed the line that

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<v Speaker 1>cannot be crossed and will take Australa into the deepest

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<v Speaker 1>and darkest parts of our history. You know, the lady

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<v Speaker 1>who says that we are a racist country. The lady

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<v Speaker 1>who of course believes that apparently we're going to be

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<v Speaker 1>turning on people who don't look like her when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to auctions. Still waiting for any proof of that.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course she'll never have to apologize any bringing

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<v Speaker 1>up of this as unhelpful as she said for her

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<v Speaker 1>or the ABC. Well, she writes an opinion piece that

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<v Speaker 1>appears in the Financial Review is also replicated on the

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<v Speaker 1>ABC's website. Peter Dutton's called to ban refugees from Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>has proved too much for some MPs. Now there are

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<v Speaker 1>some studies that tell us that only about a third

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<v Speaker 1>of people actually click on the articles or actually read

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the headline. The MPs are not MPs of the coalition,

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<v Speaker 1>So the suggestion is that somehow people are nervous inside

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<v Speaker 1>the coalition. They're not because they know when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to votes. How this has played out and has played

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<v Speaker 1>out for more than a quarter of a century. And

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<v Speaker 1>while yes there will be days when some people, if

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<v Speaker 1>they go too far, I'll call them out on the

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<v Speaker 1>principle of what's being discussed here, the Liberal Party has

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<v Speaker 1>been able to quite correctly pull this into a question

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<v Speaker 1>of vetting. But back to the media coverage, and then

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<v Speaker 1>there was this very subtle illustration in the Chanlin newspapers today,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, that Peter Dutton is the man who's throwing

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<v Speaker 1>petrol on the fire. The fire, presumably is some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of latent racism that exists in all of us. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of course Stralian's are racist because they've voted sixty forty

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<v Speaker 1>hell no to a change in the constitution. They are

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<v Speaker 1>racist because they want to say in what type of

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<v Speaker 1>refugees come to the country. These, of course are the

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<v Speaker 1>types of people who are not willing to give up

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<v Speaker 1>their tennis courts to help fix the housing solution, or

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<v Speaker 1>of course to be able to house a refugee in

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<v Speaker 1>their spare bedrooms. No interest in that the Dutton chipping point.

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<v Speaker 1>Will we allow the next election to be all about race?

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<v Speaker 1>The next election will not be all about race. This,

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<v Speaker 1>of course is written by a bloke who wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>book about Scott Morrison and Woolf's Scary and of course

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<v Speaker 1>worked for rad and Gillard. But the reality is that

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<v Speaker 1>what I just pointed out before are the things that

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<v Speaker 1>this election will be fought over. Things like the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of living, things like interest rates, things like the managing

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<v Speaker 1>of finances. Yes, for some they will want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a position where we should remove all references to any

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<v Speaker 1>sort of person double checking people at the borders. But

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<v Speaker 1>those people already evote Greens. They are not up for

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<v Speaker 1>grabs anyway. Let's get into the fear mongering, because of course,

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<v Speaker 1>when all else files, when the government's on its back foots,

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<v Speaker 1>when they're turning around saying there's something odd about you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh oh, he's like Tim Waltz. It's like we're all

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<v Speaker 1>in America. The coalition has little in the way of

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<v Speaker 1>serious policy, and so brick bray brick, we are watching

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<v Speaker 1>the campaign built out of one out of little more

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<v Speaker 1>than divisive statements. Because of course, unless you fully support

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<v Speaker 1>everything this government is doing, then you are divisive. If

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<v Speaker 1>you want to stand up for the country that you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't realize was being changed yesterday and you say no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>let's keep some of the status quo. Cultural the common

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<v Speaker 1>denominator of which in this politics of race, because of course,

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<v Speaker 1>if you talk about immigration and how many people should

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<v Speaker 1>come into the country when there aren't enough places for

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<v Speaker 1>people to rent, or there aren't enough ambulances for people

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<v Speaker 1>to call racist. Nuclear energy is the obvious exception, but

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<v Speaker 1>the very weakness of that policy proves the point what

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<v Speaker 1>point that you're trying to pretend that again, your view

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<v Speaker 1>of the average Australian, just like lefty Laura Tingle, is

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<v Speaker 1>that somehow inside each and every Australian, regardless of whether

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<v Speaker 1>they were born here, came here or anything else, or

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<v Speaker 1>there's some sort of little racist monster desperately waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>be fed after midnight like a gremlin. Of course, the issue,

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<v Speaker 1>and the reason why the issue works politically is because

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<v Speaker 1>it is a conversation about vetting. Now again, last week,

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<v Speaker 1>I copped it and I won't double down on it

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<v Speaker 1>for the next ten days in a row. You saw

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<v Speaker 1>what I had to say last week. But they have

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<v Speaker 1>changed the conversation from what was happening last week into

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<v Speaker 1>the one that is much safer ground, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>Australia believes that we should be able to decid who

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<v Speaker 1>comes to the country and the manner in which they come.

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<v Speaker 1>This was clear since the two thousand and one federal election.

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<v Speaker 1>And while lefties believe that there is a revolution every

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<v Speaker 1>time they get elected and every time they don't, somehow

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<v Speaker 1>they were cheated out of it by the means. The

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<v Speaker 1>fundamentals are that whether you were born here or whether

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<v Speaker 1>you came here. You want to make sure that the

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<v Speaker 1>people who join us here in the greatest country in

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<v Speaker 1>the world are the right type of people who are

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<v Speaker 1>just as committed to this country as anyone who's been

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<v Speaker 1>here for months, years, or generations. That's why the Liberal

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<v Speaker 1>Party is excited that they get another week in Parliament

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<v Speaker 1>to drive this one home. And as much as the

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<v Speaker 1>Gillard leftovers in the gallery or the lefties who desperately

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<v Speaker 1>want this to be the issue of latent racism yet

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<v Speaker 1>again on display, the reality is that the Libs have gone,

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<v Speaker 1>how good is this we get another week of this issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister was also tricky in saying the screening processes

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<v Speaker 1>his government uses are the same as the Coalition used.

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<v Speaker 1>When that turns out to be completely untrue.

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<v Speaker 4>Refugevsas take longer, and given what's happening right now and

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<v Speaker 4>the dangers presented, the view was to try and get

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<v Speaker 4>people out as quickly as you can. Isn't this why

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<v Speaker 4>Australians are disappointed in the Prime Minister and now saying

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<v Speaker 4>he is incompetent and dishonest.

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<v Speaker 1>And perhaps the greatest giveaway about exactly the political rock

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<v Speaker 1>on which the opposition is standing right now. As opposed

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<v Speaker 1>to the shifting fans of racism is that there was

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<v Speaker 1>a term which was used by Peter Dutton a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. I suggest he brings it back when he

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<v Speaker 1>refers to a weak and rattled prime minister. A rattle

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<v Speaker 1>prime minister is the one who behaved like you did

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<v Speaker 1>in question time today. A week prime minister is one

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<v Speaker 1>who's not able to stand up for the values of

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<v Speaker 1>the country or even explain the process that is currently

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<v Speaker 1>being used, or promise that that process will have the

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<v Speaker 1>highest standards possible, which again means the opposition is more

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<v Speaker 1>than happy to do this for yet another week. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got a failing that the PM won't turn up. He'll

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<v Speaker 1>stay in his office watching on the television because he's gutless.

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<v Speaker 1>He won't come in here and defend himself.

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<v Speaker 6>That is that is weakness at its worst.

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<v Speaker 1>Now and if a sugarcat it, I tell you the data,

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<v Speaker 1>I tell you the truth, the reality of the Liberal

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<v Speaker 1>and National Party being able to get to seventy six seats.

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<v Speaker 1>A big block in that is the number of teals. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these tell electorates all voted yes last year. These are

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that have representatives like Zali Stegl who want

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<v Speaker 1>to stand up and say racist, racist, racist, because you see,

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<v Speaker 1>they know they only need to get a quarter of

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<v Speaker 1>the primary vote in their seats and the preferences will

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<v Speaker 1>all flow their way. And unless the Liberal Party, because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone is essentially running against them, wins on primary votes.

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<v Speaker 1>And that ain't happening in many seats for any major

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<v Speaker 1>political party, because, mark my words, one of the great

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<v Speaker 1>narratives that you'll hear about between now and the next

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<v Speaker 1>election is a thing called double haters, the people who

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<v Speaker 1>hate all forms of major party politics. Now, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>all of this is a way of trying to say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>the blue team's as bad as the Red team, regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of the fact that the Red team promised a world

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<v Speaker 1>that would be better, yet it all got worse. This will,

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<v Speaker 1>of course be yet another narrative attempt from those of

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<v Speaker 1>the media who told us that this was an election

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<v Speaker 1>winning budget. But if that was the case, could somebody

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<v Speaker 1>please tell me why the Poles keep saying that the

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<v Speaker 1>government is behind, way behind on things like inflation. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>they've decided to come up with a three hundred dollar credit,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning that every mansion or every one bedroom house in

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<v Speaker 1>the country will all get the same power bild relief

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<v Speaker 1>of twenty five dollars a week. Yet why isn't everyone

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<v Speaker 1>more excited? Why isn't the average Australian cheering because they

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<v Speaker 1>got fifteen dollars a week if you're earning about forty

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand dollars in tax cuts now. Of course, just

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<v Speaker 1>like so many other policies, it's billions of dollars of

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayers money. So they can have a slogan to go

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<v Speaker 1>to an election desperately hoping that the Australian media will

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<v Speaker 1>be as weak as the American media and as long

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<v Speaker 1>as you call the other guy weird, they'll win. Well. Thankfully,

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<v Speaker 1>Australian politics is above that, even for the people who

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<v Speaker 1>basically don't pay too much attention, because you see those

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<v Speaker 1>people remember what they were promised and they hate what

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<v Speaker 1>they've got. It's always nice to see a bit of

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<v Speaker 1>old school language reappearing. And you know, every now and

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<v Speaker 1>then on this program. You love the shows where it's

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<v Speaker 1>a conservative couple of guests and I call it no

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<v Speaker 1>Sook's no lefties. Oh the pearl clutching that happens when

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<v Speaker 1>I use the word sook, because it's such an eighties

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<v Speaker 1>dad reference when a kid is crying over spilt milk. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I both know what a sook is. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's somebody who's weak. Yes, it's somebody who complains. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not somebody with a legitimate mental health disorder. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a way of minimizing somebody with legitimate feelings. But we

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<v Speaker 1>all know what a sook is. Well. Interestingly, in the

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<v Speaker 1>past week, the word sook has returned to parliamentary handsard

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<v Speaker 1>Both the Liberal Party and the Labor Party have used

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<v Speaker 1>the word in the past week. Barnaby Joyce in fact

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<v Speaker 1>doubled down on it in a conversation with my dear

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<v Speaker 1>friend Andrew Bolt last week.

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<v Speaker 5>Anthony alberanez, he is a as a prime minister, he's weak.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also a suck, by the way, a big suk.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course the Labor Party well they turned

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<v Speaker 1>around today and they went, okay, let's find a word

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<v Speaker 1>that will eventually work. And the Arts Minister parading as

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<v Speaker 1>the borders are of Australia, well, he decided to reach

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<v Speaker 1>into the bag and call Peter Dunton a suk.

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<v Speaker 5>And the Leader of the Opposition has moved this motion

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<v Speaker 5>today because the man is irresponsible and a sore and

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<v Speaker 5>the country does it like either.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh how offensive. Now, while I'm very glad that this

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<v Speaker 1>common use word which has been used in the suburbs

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<v Speaker 1>of Australia for as long as I've been alive and

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<v Speaker 1>probably yourself as well, and we all know what it means.

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<v Speaker 1>And sure we ain't a compliment that this word, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it has automatic cut through with people, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>both sides are starting to use it. But I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to show you how our parliament works. You see, when

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<v Speaker 1>a Conservative stands up and uses the word sook, this

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens. Prime Minister has the court withdrawn reporter

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<v Speaker 1>to assist the House.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm going to invite, thank you, the memphane withdraw.

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<v Speaker 1>But when Labor use it, no such appeal for it

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<v Speaker 1>to be withdrawn. In fact, they all laugh.

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<v Speaker 5>And the leader of the Opposition has moved this motion

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<v Speaker 5>today because the man is irresponsible and a sook.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm moved at the debate be adjourned. The question is

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<v Speaker 1>the debate be adjourned? I put the question. Those opinions say, I,

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<v Speaker 1>now you love it. I get to call you one,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can't call me one. But I'm not allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to say there's something wrong with you, there's something weird.

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<v Speaker 1>Now again, the word suk it is not the highest

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<v Speaker 1>word of which we can use for those that we

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<v Speaker 1>disagree with or sometimes that do carry on like pork chops.

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<v Speaker 1>But if sook's okay, wait till they start using the

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<v Speaker 1>word sheeler. Now, as you know, Fatima Payment was most

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<v Speaker 1>recently on the air here last week and an excellent documentary,

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<v Speaker 1>very well produced by Jonathan Lee. Fascinating conversation about the

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim vote. That's all up at skyies dot com dot

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<v Speaker 1>Are you agreed? Disagree? I just thought it was a

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<v Speaker 1>really well produced a piece of Telly Well, as you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason that she is front and center right now

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<v Speaker 1>she's getting the Australian story treatment. Oh my god, that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be so amazing. But I'm like that she

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<v Speaker 1>of course had to answer some questions here. She of

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<v Speaker 1>course has moved to the Cross Beach. She will be

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<v Speaker 1>most likely a reliable vote for the Labour Party. But

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<v Speaker 1>now she claims because she's all independent and everything, that

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<v Speaker 1>she'll be able to you know, call balls and strikes

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<v Speaker 1>and won't always vote for what they have to vote for.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a couple of things we do have to say.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that she's being elevated to some level

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<v Speaker 1>of Australian politics that to criticize her will equal racism

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<v Speaker 1>or sexism, you get all of the different words that

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<v Speaker 1>will be thrown at you. But if you're just a politician,

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<v Speaker 1>then people are allowed to descend from what you have

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<v Speaker 1>to say. It's a sort of fundamental tenet of our democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course Fatima payment while she joined the Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Party knowing that it has caucus rules, meaning if the

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<v Speaker 1>party decides this is the policy, then that's the case.

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<v Speaker 1>There are no exceptions. If you do so, you will

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<v Speaker 1>be punished, which is why she lost a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>committee spots, and then she of course decided I'm out,

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<v Speaker 1>but also guide for the job to be a senator,

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<v Speaker 1>which means a legislator, which means a person who is

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<v Speaker 1>passing the laws of our country that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>have to abide by. Well, amazingly last week there were

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of votes where she didn't take a position,

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<v Speaker 1>And of course this was not at all to do

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<v Speaker 1>with not taking a position on controversial issues, because that

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<v Speaker 1>might come back to bite you. I do know it's

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<v Speaker 1>apparently because she didn't have enough people around her to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to read the legislation, to be able to

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<v Speaker 1>vote yay or nay. Now again, when you decide to

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<v Speaker 1>leave major party politics, yes, there is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a period of time. You're not going to have the

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<v Speaker 1>great team around you of dozens of colleagues and all

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<v Speaker 1>of their staff and the collective brain, which is why

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<v Speaker 1>you do think twice about these things. But in an

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<v Speaker 1>interview in the Sydney Morning Herald again and the lead

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<v Speaker 1>up to the Australian story Treatment in a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks time, Fatibah Payment is a woman in a bind.

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<v Speaker 1>The newly independent senator is unshackled from having to follow

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<v Speaker 1>the policy dictates of the Labor Party, but she says

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<v Speaker 1>her desire to exercise her own judgment is being stymy

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<v Speaker 1>by a lack of parliamentary staff, forcing her to abstain

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<v Speaker 1>on voting on key issues. No, no, no, it's not because

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<v Speaker 1>she doesn't want to be drawn on those issues and

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<v Speaker 1>vote in a fashion which may create political for one

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<v Speaker 1>of the better term enemies. No no, no, no, no, it's because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not well informed enough. Well, what does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>about her behavior as a backbencher. Now, sure she couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>amend the legislation when she was a backbencher because of

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<v Speaker 1>course the team will votes together. But very obviously she

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't listening to the speeches, and she wasn't reading the documents.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's an awful lot that happened every single day

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<v Speaker 1>during a sitting week. But let's be honest, in the

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<v Speaker 1>huge amount of weeks, when as a senator you don't

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<v Speaker 1>have the same pressures on you as say and MP,

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<v Speaker 1>you might be able to say, read some of this

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<v Speaker 1>stuff before it comes in. But again back to the story,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like moving from this massive corporate world to one

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<v Speaker 1>where you're a small business owner doing everything on your own.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very overwhelming. Now, of course, the reality here is

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<v Speaker 1>that she's not doing it all on her own. As

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<v Speaker 1>a senator, I believe that you have as many as

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<v Speaker 1>five people that are in your staffing, but many of those,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, are for your main job, which is to

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<v Speaker 1>allegedly represent the people of Western Australia. She continues, it's

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<v Speaker 1>important that I do justice to my constituents and that

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<v Speaker 1>requires me to have the resources to do my job.

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<v Speaker 1>So despite the fact that I was elected by the

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<v Speaker 1>Labor Party, and the Labour Party had the resources. Because

0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:38.920
<v Speaker 1>I've decided to walk away from the Labor Party, I

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<v Speaker 1>should have the same resources as the Labor Party to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to decide whether I do or don't support

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<v Speaker 1>what the Labor Party is suggesting. One more here in

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<v Speaker 1>the best interests of everyone, she says, for this staffing

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<v Speaker 1>issue to be resolved, including the government. She wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>letter to the Prime Minister, not at all threatening to

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<v Speaker 1>say that if I don't get the extra members of staff,

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't have a dis proportionate number of staffers

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<v Speaker 1>to the other people in the Parliament, well, that I

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<v Speaker 1>would vote against your legislation. She's not here to be obstructionist,

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<v Speaker 1>she says. Now, of course process can be boring for

0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>many people, but it is interesting when it comes to

0:25:13.400 --> 0:25:15.680
<v Speaker 1>fadom of payment, because we heard a couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>ago that she decided to hire Glenn Drury, who at

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<v Speaker 1>last time I checked, I think is based out of Victoria,

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<v Speaker 1>to be the chief of staff to the Senator from

0:25:24.960 --> 0:25:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Western Australia. Now, of course, he is famously known as

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>a person who has previously worked on the cross bench

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<v Speaker 1>for people like Darren Hinges, show he knows how to

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<v Speaker 1>negotiate legislation, no question. As the story was written up

0:25:37.240 --> 0:25:41.560
<v Speaker 1>at the time there in the Guardian, a couple of

0:25:42.160 --> 0:25:44.160
<v Speaker 1>other quotes in and around all of this, as chief

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 1>of staff will be there to help her through this

0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:51.920
<v Speaker 1>Machiabellian maze that is Parliament. It can be a whirling

0:25:53.720 --> 0:25:57.239
<v Speaker 1>area of stress. It could also be very rewarding when

0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>you're trying to help people. Okay, cool, fine, fair enough.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no problems with Glenn, or do I have

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<v Speaker 1>any problems with the preference whispering thing. That's the system.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just think it is worth noting that when

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<v Speaker 1>his services had been offered in the past, and there

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<v Speaker 1>were stories about how this pitch was at the time

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<v Speaker 1>recorded by a potential customer in the lead up to

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<v Speaker 1>an election, this is what he said about his services

0:26:25.000 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and then also his role as a political staffer. So

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<v Speaker 1>since we're not on the table costs for us getting elected,

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<v Speaker 1>what is it?

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<v Speaker 8>If you win? You'll give me fifty five k.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody gives me five K. As a member of the family.

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<v Speaker 5>I know my way around the Parliament, I know him

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<v Speaker 5>my way around the legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>I know all the players.

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<v Speaker 8>I would urge you to take me on as an.

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<v Speaker 1>Advisor and consultant.

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<v Speaker 5>You can pay me through the Administration Fund, and I'd

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<v Speaker 5>be charging you roughly one thousand dollars a week, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think you probably only need me for a year.

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<v Speaker 1>In a couple of weeks. Again, there's nothing wrong, there's

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:57.879
<v Speaker 1>nothing illegal about all of this, and I make no

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<v Speaker 1>such suggestions. Again, my dealings with Glen over the years,

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>I have always been positive he will be unhappy that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm making this point right now. But it is interesting

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<v Speaker 1>that a part of the pitch that was revealed in

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:11.959
<v Speaker 1>those news stories a few months ago, that working as

0:27:11.960 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 1>a staff is part of the overall relationship, seemingly when

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 1>it comes to preference whispering. Now we know that potentially

0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 1>he will be involved in the preference whispering of whatever

0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>Fatima Payment is planning to do. Now, whether that will

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<v Speaker 1>extend to some new party, we'll all find out together.

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<v Speaker 1>But you see, this is the difference between people who

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<v Speaker 1>have covered politics for five minutes and those of us

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>that have been around for many years. It's called institutional memory.

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<v Speaker 1>It is amazing how many people who profess to know

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<v Speaker 1>way more about politics than dumb old me somehow don't

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 1>remember the stories that were there before they turned up,

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 1>because you see, there was a world before many of

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.639
<v Speaker 1>these people did turn up. I know it's not as important,

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.840
<v Speaker 1>not as impressive, but it is worth remembering every now

0:27:52.840 --> 0:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and then. Now, of course, for Peter doudn't to be

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<v Speaker 1>in a position where a couple of Poles have said

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<v Speaker 1>that they're fifty one four nine at the very least,

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<v Speaker 1>if not leading, then they are competitive going into the

0:28:04.119 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>next federal election. There is a great difference though, between

0:28:08.280 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>the success that he is seemingly having as an opposition leader,

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.399
<v Speaker 1>as is much of the shadow cabinet and his team.

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.719
<v Speaker 1>There are huge problems with the machine that is the

0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Liberal Party. Now again I'm not a member of it,

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:20.960
<v Speaker 1>but obviously want Peter Dutton to do well, which means

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.159
<v Speaker 1>he has to have a machine behind him that can

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>actually deliver on the fight for government. Now, Peter Dunton

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:30.880
<v Speaker 1>and the people around him should be given all power

0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:34.440
<v Speaker 1>in the world to have total ability to make sure

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>that the Liberal parties and all of the different states

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>are all aligned with the same goal. It starts in

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 1>New South Wales now, that is Weld's Liberal Party has

0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:48.000
<v Speaker 1>for too long, but eating itself alive. It has for

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:52.040
<v Speaker 1>too long embarrassed itself with these fights. That mean they

0:28:52.080 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 1>missed the main game. Last week we all saw, not

0:28:55.280 --> 0:29:00.040
<v Speaker 1>just in Australian news but actually international news that the

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 1>incompetence of the News Ofbals Liberal Party meant that they

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't fill out the forms in time for the New

0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:09.720
<v Speaker 1>South Wales's local government elections. Now one half of the

0:29:09.720 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>team who runs the New Sobal's Liberal Party or they

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>were demanded into the office. You're gone sacked for not

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>filling out the paperwork. Well, why is the news of

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:23.840
<v Speaker 1>ols president of the Liberal Party still there? Don Harwin dancing?

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Donnie Harwin? Hey, of course there's no excuse he should

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 1>go too, because the news of OZ party is a mess.

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a mess because of its factions. Where oh, well,

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 1>it's my version of the Liberal Party, it's your version

0:29:35.960 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>of the Liberal Party. They end up suing each other

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:42.360
<v Speaker 1>like they did during various state and federal elections, and

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it means that the candidates who should be pre selected

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 1>right now for the federal election are not being pre selected.

0:29:48.760 --> 0:29:51.600
<v Speaker 1>It means the machine that has to fight the Labor Party,

0:29:51.680 --> 0:29:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the establishment media, the Greens and all the rest of

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>it is not fit for purpose. It's not fit for

0:29:56.520 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>purpose in New South Wales and it should be taken

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<v Speaker 1>over by the federal author athorities. I would suggest the

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<v Speaker 1>same in Victoria as well, because while it didn't get

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 1>the same attention, it's the same problem. You see the

0:30:07.160 --> 0:30:10.719
<v Speaker 1>Victorian Liberal Party they missed a deadline too. This was

0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>for their proposals about what should happen about which she

0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>seats should stay and go at a federal election. A

0:30:19.480 --> 0:30:21.480
<v Speaker 1>party to be able to form government needs to be

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 1>able to contest an election. For it to be able

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>to win an election, it has to have a machine

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 1>around it, a machine that is fit for purpose, a

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>machine that is ready to go. And a Liberal Party

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>at the machine level at the state level is not

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:35.640
<v Speaker 1>good enough. The one at the federal level well at

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 1>one in twenty nineteen. They got clobet in twenty twenty two,

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.880
<v Speaker 1>but it could fight and with the poles and the

0:30:40.880 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 1>issues on their side, it should be the best version

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.720
<v Speaker 1>of the machine possible. So do what the Labour Party

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 1>does when you have dysfunctional state divisions, get on top

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and take them over. Laters from America, and let's follow

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the money when it comes to the bookies, it's back

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.200
<v Speaker 1>to level pegging now between the second coming that is,

0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>of course Obama in a pantsuit and Donald Trump. Now

0:31:04.760 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>it seems that Arizona has come over so slightly back

0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>his way, but still she's in front in Pennsylvania and

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 1>potentially in front of Nevada. If that's the case, well

0:31:11.880 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>of course she'll become the president. But polling, which is

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 1>starting to now keep up with the times as opposed

0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to just be polling from a couple of weeks ago,

0:31:20.960 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is now starting to show that on a national level,

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Trump is very close or in some cases leading. Now,

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>before you say, of course that's a Fox News poll,

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>the same poll a couple of weeks ago said Harris

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>was leading. But if you have a look at just

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>how tight this thing is right now, the Real Clear

0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Politics average, which is an average of all the polls,

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:41.720
<v Speaker 1>shows Harris nationally up by one point four. Biden in

0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty was up by between two and four points.

0:31:45.360 --> 0:31:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Once you throw in RFK well then and other minority candidates.

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>Harris still in front, but in the states that matter,

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>Trump just and of course point one is beyond margin

0:31:55.280 --> 0:31:58.200
<v Speaker 1>of ra It literally is a coin toss. The issue

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<v Speaker 1>that does particularly worry though, of us that would like

0:32:00.560 --> 0:32:03.880
<v Speaker 1>to see Trump defeat Kamala Harris because of her crazy policies.

0:32:03.880 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>And I'll get to that in a second. In terms

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:08.280
<v Speaker 1>of who do that they like more people, according to polling,

0:32:08.480 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 1>like Harris more than Trump. Meaning of course that when

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Convention kicks off by the time you wake

0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:16.560
<v Speaker 1>up tomorrow, and we'll talk about it tomorrow night, after

0:32:16.680 --> 0:32:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden gets his warm hug and legendary farewell and

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 1>all of that other garbage. But of course don't forget

0:32:24.440 --> 0:32:26.200
<v Speaker 1>something that may remind us of some of the problems

0:32:26.240 --> 0:32:29.000
<v Speaker 1>that exist in and around the DNC is that while

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.080
<v Speaker 1>they try to tell us everything's okay, could somebody please

0:32:31.080 --> 0:32:34.200
<v Speaker 1>explain why the city that is hosting the convention is

0:32:34.240 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>currently boarding up as many windows as it can because

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:39.080
<v Speaker 1>there's going to be wild protests. Sure won't be as

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.600
<v Speaker 1>bad as nineteen sixty eight when literally police started firing

0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>at the protesters, but it ain't going to be fun. Now.

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>May I suggest that most likely the only network that

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 1>will actually show you what's going on and the protest

0:32:48.880 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 1>is tomorrow will be the Fox News Network. We'll show

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:52.840
<v Speaker 1>them to you again. Everyone else will just pretend they're

0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>not here. There's nothing to see. Meantime, Kamala Harris actually

0:32:57.360 --> 0:32:59.239
<v Speaker 1>put some ideas on the table. Sure she did it

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:02.800
<v Speaker 1>on Fry American time, which was Saturday, our time, secretly

0:33:02.840 --> 0:33:05.440
<v Speaker 1>hoping that still in the summertime, everyone wasn't paying attention.

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Even the Washington Post said, some of her ideas about

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 1>price controls when it comes to the economy, and I

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 1>think more than a gimmick. She also has this brand

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>new line that apparently she's just fallen from the sky.

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.880
<v Speaker 1>She's never had a job before running for president.

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<v Speaker 9>And when I am president, it will be a day

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<v Speaker 9>one priority to fight to bring down prices. I will

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:34.960
<v Speaker 9>take on big corporations that engage in illegal price gouging.

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<v Speaker 1>And as Trump says, Kamala laid out her so called

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>economic plan.

0:33:41.760 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 3>She says she's going to lower the cost of food

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<v Speaker 3>and housing starting.

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<v Speaker 1>On day one. But day one for Kamala was three

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<v Speaker 1>and a half years ago, So why didn't she do it?

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<v Speaker 8>Then?

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<v Speaker 1>Game on, baby, let's wait, watch and see. No doubt

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 1>they get a after the infomercial. But then, if price

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:05.880
<v Speaker 1>scourging is apparently going to be the issue, we're going

0:34:05.920 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 1>to blame the corporations. When she was the deciding vote

0:34:09.840 --> 0:34:13.759
<v Speaker 1>on trillions teeth or trillions of dollars of economic stimulus,

0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:18.799
<v Speaker 1>bid nomics was working somehow. I think the people that

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:20.799
<v Speaker 1>are actually paying attention to what's happened in their lives,

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.799
<v Speaker 1>they won't fall for the BS. Full coverage tomorrow all

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>day here on Sky News and again here tomorrow night

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<v Speaker 1>quick break back with more lots of debate to get to.

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<v Speaker 1>We send it about Canavan, Sam Crosby, so much to

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<v Speaker 1>fire up about. Glad you here. Thank you very much

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:39.879
<v Speaker 1>for watching. Now before we get into the debate, which

0:34:39.920 --> 0:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>is going to be fun tonight, can I give a

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 1>huge shout out to two people one Steep Price, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much for taking care of the show last night.

0:34:45.440 --> 0:34:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for being so kind on the air, and

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.040
<v Speaker 1>to everyone who got in touch with this. Yes, Leah's birthday,

0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:52.680
<v Speaker 1>which of course means today's a particularly tough day as well.

0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:54.919
<v Speaker 1>The little man would have been twelve, and we send

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.360
<v Speaker 1>nothing but strength and love towards him and I appreciate

0:34:57.360 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>your love each and every day, month and year, and

0:34:59.600 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>anyone talks about it means it well to me. The

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>second year is congratulations to Larry Emda. Now Larry MdeR

0:35:05.239 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>of course won the Gold LOGI last night. Now, I again,

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.200
<v Speaker 1>like you don't really generally care about the logis the

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:11.759
<v Speaker 1>spot of fact, we actually have one here, just as

0:35:11.800 --> 0:35:14.160
<v Speaker 1>a little reminder of everyone we won one once, just

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:16.399
<v Speaker 1>a little way to rub it in. Well, of course

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:18.640
<v Speaker 1>he won. God he'd been around for you know the

0:35:18.640 --> 0:35:20.440
<v Speaker 1>story of Larry Mda. This is a lovely man, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to say at the start before we

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>get into all of our debates and everything else, this

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 1>man is as classy and as nice and as delightful

0:35:27.040 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>off the air as he is on. He is a

0:35:28.520 --> 0:35:30.719
<v Speaker 1>real life friend. I'm sure that doesn't help with some

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<v Speaker 1>other people in the world, but any and every time,

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<v Speaker 1>from when I was a guest on Sunrise to having

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<v Speaker 1>this show, to a guest on radio shows, whatever, he

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.560
<v Speaker 1>is the best in the business. I am so glad

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:43.759
<v Speaker 1>that his name is now in lights forever with the

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:47.120
<v Speaker 1>great legends of the business. And I'm also glad that

0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 1>after this incredible success, he had to come through and

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<v Speaker 1>actually deliver on his promise to get a tattoo on

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<v Speaker 1>his bum within twenty four hours of winning the Gold LOGI.

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<v Speaker 10>It's going to be Oh is it? I think I'm

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<v Speaker 10>all worried about where's Zack's thumb? Is this what it's

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<v Speaker 10>like when they take you into that small room on

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<v Speaker 10>border security?

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<v Speaker 1>I think it is has.

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<v Speaker 7>The firmness of the flesh.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, it's not the greatest, but he's a champion. I

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<v Speaker 1>love you, Larry. I'm so just awesome, awesome that you

0:36:22.400 --> 0:36:23.959
<v Speaker 1>did at Man. I can't wait to celebrate in whatever

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.000
<v Speaker 1>fashion when you've got the time. You're a busy man.

0:36:26.120 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>We love you very much and all the best to

0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.680
<v Speaker 1>your family as well. All right, let's get into logi

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>level talent here, this evening in sam Crossby and the

0:36:32.560 --> 0:36:35.800
<v Speaker 1>wonderful set of about Canavan. No tattoos needed your appearance

0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:37.759
<v Speaker 1>at a night but Matt, let's get into this here.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you believe the Labor Party is more than happy

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<v Speaker 1>to bring into a second week the visa conversation? All

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<v Speaker 1>right now, this is extraordinary that they're out and about today,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course that's because the media thinks, oh, this

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:54.720
<v Speaker 1>is also terrible and we're heading for a race based election.

0:36:55.239 --> 0:36:57.279
<v Speaker 1>Of course, people that get a free ride from the

0:36:57.280 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>love you media, people like Zarie Staggle, They say stuff

0:37:00.160 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>like this.

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<v Speaker 8>For too long. We see policies that are inherently racist,

0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:11.960
<v Speaker 8>and they're designed to foster fear and hatred of a

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 8>minority group. And the fear of the consequences of calling

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<v Speaker 8>out means that the policy itself doesn't get examined and

0:37:19.239 --> 0:37:22.680
<v Speaker 8>called out, and that's just bullying and intimidation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, of course, I appeal to all of her donuts

0:37:26.680 --> 0:37:29.480
<v Speaker 1>to be able to taken a refugee into the summer house,

0:37:29.800 --> 0:37:31.360
<v Speaker 1>or maybe just set up a couple of tenths on

0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:33.799
<v Speaker 1>the tennis court. You will help the world become a

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:37.880
<v Speaker 1>better place. But Senator, the reality here is that the

0:37:37.920 --> 0:37:39.760
<v Speaker 1>party is in the right place, which is about vetting.

0:37:39.840 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 1>All right. Now, I've said publicly, I'm not going to

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 1>keep saying this all the time, but I'm saying it

0:37:43.560 --> 0:37:45.839
<v Speaker 1>just to be consistent. I have my issues with total band.

0:37:45.880 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into wall of that, right, I've had some

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:49.279
<v Speaker 1>of you know, I don't like the kind of you know,

0:37:49.440 --> 0:37:51.080
<v Speaker 1>some of the chat that's happened in and around this.

0:37:51.320 --> 0:37:53.720
<v Speaker 1>But the chat has moved on and it is about vetting.

0:37:54.120 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 1>Yet the government was out and about today thinking that

0:37:56.400 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 1>they're on a winner here. They couldn't be on a

0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 1>worse footing than underlining their lack of strength on this issue.

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<v Speaker 7>Look, Paul, I think your assessment is correct, but it's

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 7>I think a consequence of the fact that the government

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.800
<v Speaker 7>really has no agenda, so they have to grasp with

0:38:14.880 --> 0:38:18.800
<v Speaker 7>these straws because there's no other major push to solve

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.120
<v Speaker 7>the real problems facing Australians here in Canberra this week.

0:38:21.120 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 7>I mean, the only other item of business, major item

0:38:23.840 --> 0:38:26.359
<v Speaker 7>of business on the legisl of agenda is the move

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 7>to put the CFMEU in administration. So when really what

0:38:30.360 --> 0:38:32.399
<v Speaker 7>the country needs right now is a plan to deal

0:38:32.440 --> 0:38:34.360
<v Speaker 7>with the cost of living. That is what everybody is

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.359
<v Speaker 7>shouting about. The government has no plan, so they've got

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.600
<v Speaker 7>to lean back on whatever stick they can beat their

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.839
<v Speaker 7>political opponents with, and this was the stick lying around now.

0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 7>I went back home on the weekend and at my

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 7>kid's soccer games, people were aghast they volunteered this.

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<v Speaker 1>I tend not to.

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<v Speaker 7>Try and talk about politics when I'm at those sort

0:38:53.200 --> 0:38:55.440
<v Speaker 7>of events, but people were coming up to me and saying,

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<v Speaker 7>why are we taking all these people from the Middle

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<v Speaker 7>East without knowing who they are and whether they support

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:05.240
<v Speaker 7>terrorist organization? So it is pretty hard to comprehend how

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<v Speaker 7>an Australian government would think this is the right policy.

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<v Speaker 7>Their priority should be to protect the safety of Australians first,

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<v Speaker 7>and that's surely got to mean a proper vetting of

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<v Speaker 7>anyone that comes from troubled locations like Gaza Sam.

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<v Speaker 1>It is important that people understand that, yes, you win elections,

0:39:24.120 --> 0:39:26.440
<v Speaker 1>but they're not always permanent revolutions and there are some

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 1>things that are set in stone about how people feel

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 1>on certain issues. Now again, when people go too far,

0:39:31.719 --> 0:39:33.239
<v Speaker 1>I'll be the first to sit here and say no,

0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.680
<v Speaker 1>that's too much. But the Liberal Party being able to

0:39:36.719 --> 0:39:39.400
<v Speaker 1>talk about vetting, about the need for it, about the

0:39:39.400 --> 0:39:42.320
<v Speaker 1>potential failures of it, all of that is pretty safe ground.

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.600
<v Speaker 1>But when we have a debate where the word sook's

0:39:44.640 --> 0:39:47.319
<v Speaker 1>being thrown around, as the Prime Minister said today, there's

0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 1>something wrong with you. There's something rattling around where they

0:39:51.440 --> 0:39:53.120
<v Speaker 1>know they're not in the right place.

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<v Speaker 6>But I think the reason that we're here for another

0:39:55.800 --> 0:39:59.040
<v Speaker 6>week because I agree immigration isn't typically a topic that

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:01.200
<v Speaker 6>the Labor Party wants to to spend too much time

0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:03.480
<v Speaker 6>discussing about. But the reason that we're here is this

0:40:03.560 --> 0:40:06.680
<v Speaker 6>flip flopping, This reversion of Peter Dutton in the space

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<v Speaker 6>of a week from complete ban to now we're talking

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<v Speaker 6>about vetting of people that come here. And you know,

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:21.960
<v Speaker 6>I think the Labour Party is banking here that that inconsistency,

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 6>that back down, whatever you want to call it, doesn't

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 6>look very prime ministerial and in an area that is

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 6>an absolute strength of Peter Dutton. I think they smell blood.

0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 6>Now we'll see if they're right.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's just one of those issues again where you

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<v Speaker 1>just said, I don't want to give free advice to

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>these people. Please keep making the same mistakes right but

0:40:41.640 --> 0:40:45.320
<v Speaker 1>right now, when you are twenty points underwater on national security,

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 1>seventeen points underwater on asylum seekers, sixteen points underwater on

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.480
<v Speaker 1>crime and social disorder, social order, you're seven points south

0:40:55.560 --> 0:40:57.960
<v Speaker 1>on cost of living, get back onto the stuff that

0:40:58.880 --> 0:40:59.200
<v Speaker 1>you see.

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<v Speaker 6>My again, they're not going to take my advice. They're

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:03.840
<v Speaker 6>not going to take your advice. My genuine belief is

0:41:03.840 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 6>they should spend more time talking about this. Kevin rud

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 6>always used to say the Australian body politic, it's like

0:41:11.880 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 6>a babushkadole.

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:13.120
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:16.400
<v Speaker 6>The outer layer is national security, the next layer is

0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:19.520
<v Speaker 6>economic security. And then once you get through those outer layers,

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.000
<v Speaker 6>then you get into the things people care about. If

0:41:22.040 --> 0:41:25.240
<v Speaker 6>we as the Labor Party can't be trusted on areas

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:27.480
<v Speaker 6>like national security, it doesn't really make a difference what

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 6>our environmental policy.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what the solution should have been. It should

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>have been a speech late last week or one this

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 1>weekend saying let me explain the process to you everyone

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 1>here it is. Here's how it's tough, go back, own it,

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:41.759
<v Speaker 1>own the process. Instead, they're trying to pretend it's the

0:41:41.760 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>same one that you did. Well, okay, double down, and

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>then that's the way to push back. But again they

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.560
<v Speaker 1>don't want to take the advice from us. Let's talk

0:41:48.600 --> 0:41:52.560
<v Speaker 1>about mining, because again decision made Environmental Minister here, which

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>is to knock on the head yet another project, of course,

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.959
<v Speaker 1>for apparently cultural reasons. But then there are some group

0:42:00.239 --> 0:42:04.000
<v Speaker 1>in that cultural connection that don't believe there is cultural

0:42:04.000 --> 0:42:07.120
<v Speaker 1>issues in and around all of this. But also interesting

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:09.279
<v Speaker 1>here too is some of the conversations that one of

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.200
<v Speaker 1>the reasons why these things get knocked back or courts

0:42:11.200 --> 0:42:13.360
<v Speaker 1>get involved, is because of the amount of power lines

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:17.760
<v Speaker 1>which may well be put out there. Senator in access

0:42:17.840 --> 0:42:21.200
<v Speaker 1>to the facility. Well, what about the twenty thousand kilometers

0:42:21.239 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 1>of power lines that they're planning to put around the

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>renewable energy projects.

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:29.359
<v Speaker 7>And that's okay, Paul, That stuff's psychatic because it's saving

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 7>the planet. See, you can kill koalas, you can kill birds,

0:42:32.320 --> 0:42:34.480
<v Speaker 7>You can do whatever you like to the beautiful landscapes

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:38.319
<v Speaker 7>of this country as long as you're sacrificing those poor

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 7>animals and plants to the climate gods, the international climate gods. Honey,

0:42:43.160 --> 0:42:44.840
<v Speaker 7>we only see to be the only country doing this.

0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:48.600
<v Speaker 7>But apparently it's enough to ward off this terrible thing

0:42:48.640 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 7>called climate change. But I mean, the hypocrisy here is stark,

0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.320
<v Speaker 7>as you pointed out. But the bigger issue is just again,

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:56.799
<v Speaker 7>I come back to the economy. It's the number one

0:42:56.840 --> 0:42:59.520
<v Speaker 7>thing for this country and the challenges we face. And

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 7>one way, the most sustainable way, the smoothest way out

0:43:04.680 --> 0:43:06.840
<v Speaker 7>of the cost of living crisis we face, is to

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.719
<v Speaker 7>produce more goods. Is to get the supply capacity of

0:43:09.760 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 7>the economy up to where the excess demand clearly is

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 7>in the economy right now, and that will help reduce inflation,

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 7>give improving our productivity, and so decisions like this, it's

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:22.080
<v Speaker 7>just one in isolation. But it's pretty hard to pinpoint

0:43:22.080 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 7>from this government, where are they actually trying to increase productivity.

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.719
<v Speaker 7>Where's their policy set that is trying to make the

0:43:28.760 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 7>economy work better and faster and attract more investment, free

0:43:32.800 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 7>up red tape and bureaucracy. And here we've got another example,

0:43:35.960 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 7>a stark example where eight hundred jobs will be sacrificed

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 7>here because of government red tape. And the government seems

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:48.160
<v Speaker 7>completely a loss with what we need in this country.

0:43:48.239 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 7>And I think people are shaking their heads about where

0:43:50.520 --> 0:43:53.720
<v Speaker 7>are the priorities for this government where a land dispute

0:43:53.800 --> 0:43:56.480
<v Speaker 7>or dispute over from Aboriginal councils, might not all the

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.240
<v Speaker 7>Aboriginal land councils support the government's position on this decision.

0:43:59.760 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 7>Take in the side of no jobs, no economic production,

0:44:02.040 --> 0:44:03.800
<v Speaker 7>and that's only going to make inflation worse.

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<v Speaker 1>Hunder present quick break back with more, Sam, you can

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:07.320
<v Speaker 1>respond to that and a whole lot more in a moment,

0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:14.640
<v Speaker 1>support the people who support us. Thank you here with

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Sam Crosby, and we said it about Cadavan looking forward

0:44:17.640 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>to what they've got to say here about what's happening

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>this week in the United States. But before we get

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:26.319
<v Speaker 1>to the democratic national conventional. Kamala Harris actually told us

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:29.399
<v Speaker 1>some of her plans, and some of the plans well,

0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I think mister Wonderful among others from Shark Tank has

0:44:32.560 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 1>referred to them as communist style and terrible ideas among

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.400
<v Speaker 1>other things, sort of are going after all as evil corporations.

0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 1>He's mister Wonderful explaining her policies better than I can.

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 11>It's impossible to understand how a corporation would set pricing

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 11>based on gouging. What does that even mean? That's why

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.280
<v Speaker 11>it's being ridiculed. But I cut her a wide birth.

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 11>She's not answering reporters questions, and she's got great momentum,

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.000
<v Speaker 11>So throw anything at the wall. You want free money

0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.120
<v Speaker 11>for everybody, That's what every politician does, but it has

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:07.759
<v Speaker 11>no merit in reality. At some point she's got to

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:11.440
<v Speaker 11>put forward policies that she can be questioned on in

0:45:11.480 --> 0:45:13.879
<v Speaker 11>front of a reporter, and I'm not sure when that's

0:45:13.920 --> 0:45:14.560
<v Speaker 11>going to happen.

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 6>Sam.

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:18.480
<v Speaker 1>We know that if it's vibes versus issues, she's going

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 1>to win. But the economy is the number one issue.

0:45:21.680 --> 0:45:24.319
<v Speaker 1>Did she serve up avening units? It's the number one, two,

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>and three issues.

0:45:25.360 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 6>And whilst I can agree with you all the economists

0:45:29.239 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 6>out there poking fairly large holes in this argument, I

0:45:33.719 --> 0:45:36.520
<v Speaker 6>reckon punters are going to love it. You know, they

0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 6>have seen I don't know a decade now of massive

0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:44.440
<v Speaker 6>inflationary price price increases. So someone coming in and saying, yes,

0:45:44.480 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 6>we are going to stop that, I'm all here for it, baby.

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.080
<v Speaker 1>But how does the government roll in and say what

0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you've been selling for teen you should only be selling

0:45:51.080 --> 0:45:54.720
<v Speaker 1>for seven. Look.

0:45:55.320 --> 0:45:58.200
<v Speaker 7>I think the interesting thing here, Paul, is that Kamala

0:45:58.440 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 7>kind of is the candidate of be smarter the people

0:46:01.120 --> 0:46:03.600
<v Speaker 7>that think they're the smartest right among us. There, She's

0:46:03.640 --> 0:46:07.160
<v Speaker 7>thet all the intellectual set, the academic set love Carmala.

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 7>Harrison hates the sort of god person from the wrong

0:46:12.000 --> 0:46:13.880
<v Speaker 7>side of the tracks. We'd call them a bogan. And

0:46:13.960 --> 0:46:15.799
<v Speaker 7>Trump and the Trump supporters, I hate them. They think

0:46:15.840 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 7>they're simpletons. Yet the policies of this so called intellectual

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.040
<v Speaker 7>candidate and the most dumbest thing you've ever seen ever.

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 7>Whereas whatever you think about Donald Trump, you go to

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 7>his website, you go to his speeches. He has a

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:34.960
<v Speaker 7>laundry list of quite detailed and well thought through, coherence,

0:46:35.080 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 7>really policies. Again, you might disagree with some of them,

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:41.880
<v Speaker 7>but they're substantial. I just look, I don't know. Maybe

0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:44.160
<v Speaker 7>Sam will be right here, but a lot of me

0:46:44.280 --> 0:46:47.959
<v Speaker 7>says that when the heat of this campaign takes off,

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:51.279
<v Speaker 7>the big issue for Carmala on promises, wild promises like

0:46:51.360 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 7>this is why didn't you do this while you were there?

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, she's been vice president now more than three years.

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<v Speaker 7>Why did you let this price gouging go under and

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<v Speaker 7>continue under your regime? And eventually she's going to have

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<v Speaker 7>to answer those tough questions and I think she'll be

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<v Speaker 7>found out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a fair question.

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<v Speaker 6>And of course the answer is because vice president, it's

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<v Speaker 6>not worth a warm bucket of spit.

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<v Speaker 1>If it's the reason you're qualified, sure, sure don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to have both. You don't get that.

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<v Speaker 6>I think it's an interesting point about that details, but

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<v Speaker 6>the it's an interesting point about Trump's policies though. But

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<v Speaker 6>you think back to twenty sixteen, he was very clear

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<v Speaker 6>on his policies. He wanted to drain the swamp, he

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to build the wall. You know, as much as

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<v Speaker 6>you might need him, it was very very clear. I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know what any of those policies are that that

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<v Speaker 6>Matt's talking about. I'm sure they're there, but you know,

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<v Speaker 6>gun to my head, couldn't tear you.

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<v Speaker 7>Taxes on tips, TA taxes on no taxes on tips.

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<v Speaker 1>No text on tips.

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<v Speaker 6>Finish, it's not resonating the same deportation, deportation and half

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<v Speaker 6>electricity half electricity. You can yell all you want, it's

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<v Speaker 6>just not nearly as much. I agree has drained the

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<v Speaker 6>swamp and build a gree completely.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's because, in my view, you don't sit there

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<v Speaker 1>and do the two hour long rallies like just get in,

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<v Speaker 1>make the contrast, make the announcements bang bang, and then

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<v Speaker 1>go and have a press conference. Right. But when the

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<v Speaker 1>media won't even report on your policies, literally try and google.

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<v Speaker 6>What do you think when the media won't report on

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<v Speaker 6>the policy prices, no one is still the number one

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<v Speaker 6>rating show.

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<v Speaker 1>In the end, they're all for him, absolutely, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>pushing against ninety percent of the rest.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh come on me, look Sam sounding mainstream media, it's

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<v Speaker 7>not for Donald Trump. I'm not going to do that.

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<v Speaker 7>I agree with that. I agree with Sam. But Trump's

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<v Speaker 7>not you anymore. He's not it's his policies are having

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<v Speaker 7>the same shock impact, so I'll give you that. But look,

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<v Speaker 7>eventually the American politics politics will focus on these policy

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<v Speaker 7>construct contrasts, and I'm not I'm not confident Carmala will

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<v Speaker 7>be able to survive that heat.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Gang, thank you very much for the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>Look forward to it again next Monday. Stand By. The

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<v Speaker 1>Late Debate is next up, taking