WEBVTT - From dope dealer to hope dealer: Gaz Wright Pt. 2

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<v Speaker 1>The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.

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<v Speaker 1>Detective see a side of life the average person is

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<v Speaker 1>never exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I did for a living. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.

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<v Speaker 1>The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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<v Speaker 1>from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw

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<v Speaker 1>and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some

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<v Speaker 1>of the content and language might be confronting. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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<v Speaker 1>Join me now as I take you into this world.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to part one of my conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>Gaz right, you'll know just how dark his life had gotten.

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<v Speaker 1>From feared underworld figure to desperate junkie. His enemies smelt

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<v Speaker 1>blood in the water, and they came for him, stabbings, beating, gunshots.

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<v Speaker 1>Karma doesn't pull punches, and with serious jail time looming,

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<v Speaker 1>Gaz faced a choice continue the downward spiral or leave

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<v Speaker 1>his life with violence and crime. Behind, against all odds,

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<v Speaker 1>he chose the latter. This is a story of how

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<v Speaker 1>he did it. Gazz right, Welcome back to Part two

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<v Speaker 1>of I Catch Killers. That's gay Part one not much

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<v Speaker 1>fun taking you through all the heavy stuff. How does

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<v Speaker 1>it feel reliving it?

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, You know, I spoke to you prior to the interview.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I said, you know, some people have invited

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<v Speaker 2>me to come on their podcast and they just want

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<v Speaker 2>to hear the war stories. They want to hear the

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<v Speaker 2>jail stabbings and the shootings and you know, all the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And at the start of my I call it a

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<v Speaker 2>healing journey, but some people would say, you know, social

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<v Speaker 2>media journey. That's all I had to ifell is war stories.

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<v Speaker 2>It just doesn't do it for me anymore. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't land. It doesn't stimulate me. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>get no endorphin hits from talking about the old life.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand it's part of my story, got to sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>tell it, but it doesn't interest me. Man, There's no

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<v Speaker 2>passion for that life anymore. It's just part of my story.

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<v Speaker 2>And like I said, I acknowledge that it is part

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<v Speaker 2>of my story, and I wouldn't change it because it's

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<v Speaker 2>made me who I am today. But what I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>is way bigger than anything I've ever done. From the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand that I look out in the true crime

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<v Speaker 1>space because people are fascinated with it. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>a large majority of people that fascinate with true crime

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<v Speaker 1>have never really experienced it. So I understand that they

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<v Speaker 1>want to look into the dark side of the world

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<v Speaker 1>and see what's going on. I find the interest in

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<v Speaker 1>looking a little bit deeper and seeing what comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of it. I've seen the consequences of crime in the

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<v Speaker 1>most horrible ways, but seeing the people who have come

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<v Speaker 1>through that world, they're the things that rock my boat

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<v Speaker 1>to how people can turn their life around.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because some people, especially you would come from a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of police officers have this mentality once a crime,

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<v Speaker 2>always a crime. I'm pretty sure there's probably some ones

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<v Speaker 2>out there that still think, Ay, it's just a front,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just a throwoff washing money or who who knows

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<v Speaker 2>what their thoughts are. But man, I know in my trice,

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<v Speaker 2>in my heart, I know my journey, I know my story.

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<v Speaker 2>No one knows it better than me. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I've learned to love and not hate, and I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>to help and not hurt. It's a beautiful thing. Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I can honestly say I'm half a healed human and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing the right thing the wrong thing, And it's

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<v Speaker 2>all about leaving a legacy, you know, and resetting my

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<v Speaker 2>comic debt. I know when I'm leave this world, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to leave it. We've done more right than wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was some bad times and now I did

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<v Speaker 2>some wrong things. I was a nasty person. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to lie about it, but there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a majority of being a good person that overrides that.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. I encourage people if they can turn their life around,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know what you're saying. And then in the

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<v Speaker 1>cops is a fairly you know, black and white thinking

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<v Speaker 1>we're doing the job, we're putting the bad guys away,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you move on to the next thing. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think society because now I'm a member of society.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not in the cops anymore. It benefits if people

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<v Speaker 1>can turn their life around, because better off you healing

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<v Speaker 1>yourself and contributing back to society. That is, still they

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<v Speaker 1>aren't going to get harder in the world of crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it comes to that of saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people want to be relatable, like, Okay, we go through

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<v Speaker 2>a divorce and you're speaking to someone about going through

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<v Speaker 2>a divorce and that person's never been through a divorce.

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<v Speaker 2>Going through addiction and you're speaking to someone about your addiction,

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<v Speaker 2>that person's never been addicted to drugs, it makes no sense.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if we've gone through issues in life or

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to grow, you want to talk to someone

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<v Speaker 2>that's been through what you're going through.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm a big believer in using life experiences to

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<v Speaker 1>educate people. Whether it's at the juvenile stage, which is

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<v Speaker 1>probably most important where you can steer them in the

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<v Speaker 1>right direction, or whether it's at adult prison. Then you're

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<v Speaker 1>an example of someone that can turn their life around

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<v Speaker 1>when you're a low point. You've had the highs of

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<v Speaker 1>the gangster, the loads of being a junkie, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>sitting here and doing something worthwhile. We've got a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of videos here. We've you getting your first job, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's important. Play it all and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>count this in the podcast, but I just want you

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<v Speaker 1>to have a look at this and talk talk me

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<v Speaker 1>through it.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, a quick job update. The other day on

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<v Speaker 2>the weekend, I was getting a couple of beers from

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<v Speaker 2>the Bottlow just round the corner from my joy from

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<v Speaker 2>my drive fruit and asked them to any jobs. They said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're looking for work, so they'd be good. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>my resume. No, I wasn't ready to apply for a job.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw it. Pop in there and see what

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<v Speaker 2>that said, and then so now go get my resume.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, yeah, that sounds good. That'd be good that too.

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<v Speaker 2>They'd be a good gig that one.

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<v Speaker 1>I got the job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm wrapped. I got the gig at the bottom shop.

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<v Speaker 2>They invited me to join the team. Caught me up today,

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<v Speaker 2>went down there. It's all good. He's what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>But fucking I'm not going to lie. It's a bit daunting. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a bit daunting, it is. I don't know. The

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<v Speaker 2>unknown is always fucking scary in that. But I'm pumped.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's just a it's a positive direction, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>positive start, man, leave that fucking off bind me.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see the excitement on your face. Okay, you're

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<v Speaker 1>obviously a different person from who you were. Then to

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<v Speaker 1>hear how long ago were.

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<v Speaker 2>That that's four years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at your proud of yourself struggling around. You've got

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<v Speaker 1>yourself a job, You've become like a severe and playing

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<v Speaker 1>taxes and all that sort.

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<v Speaker 2>Of ironic thing is the job was at a bottle shop.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, I just walked away from a Korea

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<v Speaker 2>pushing poison into my community and then becoming poison and

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<v Speaker 2>so like, let's be honest. Alcohol is poison. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>legal and it's run by the government. So what was

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<v Speaker 2>I going to go do, you know, push poison for

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<v Speaker 2>the government and think it was okay. My dad died

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<v Speaker 2>from alcohol. He drank himself, So yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that was my truth. Linked Yeah, but it's ironic.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was there's another video when I was actually

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<v Speaker 2>handing in the resume to the bottle shop. I rang

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<v Speaker 2>a mate. It was a little bit into social media,

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<v Speaker 2>and he said, what are you doing. I was in

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<v Speaker 2>Cans at that time, so I'd gone up to Cans

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<v Speaker 2>to get a breath of fresh air, leave the life

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<v Speaker 2>of addiction behind and life of crime. And anyway, I

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<v Speaker 2>rang him and I said, he goes, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm just handing the resume to the bottle shop.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm trying to get a gig down here,

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<v Speaker 2>so I get some money in my pocket and I said,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what are you up to? I said, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>come see you for a coffee when I'm done. And

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, are you documenting this? And I said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>should I be? He goes, whoa ex criminal X drug

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<v Speaker 2>addicts getting his first job handing the resume? Because social

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<v Speaker 2>media loves that stuff. I said, okay, then I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a clues. The first time I made accounts, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>never had a social media account, was a pinch where

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<v Speaker 2>I come from. And so I grabbed the phone and

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<v Speaker 2>I started recording, and that when I'm actually handing in

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<v Speaker 2>the resume, it went viral. And so the ironic thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I look back on it now, I reckon,

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<v Speaker 2>the red into the bottle shop wasn't the real resume.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the resume into social media. I reckon, That's

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<v Speaker 2>the truth of it. You know, that was the real

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<v Speaker 2>path I was meant to take. And so yeah, once

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<v Speaker 2>I got that viral video, you know, like any opportunists,

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<v Speaker 2>which criminals are, I was going to take it by

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<v Speaker 2>the balls and run with it.

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<v Speaker 1>And you said, you didn't understand. I'm sure you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand the impact of social media and the run with.

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<v Speaker 2>All I knew is I spoke to my mate and

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<v Speaker 2>all I knew is he broke it down like this.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, Okay, you know you've got a brand. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>your tattoo's that old life, You've got a story, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your dog all that's what we call a social media package.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you can build a brand off the back

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Said, how many people do you think are

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<v Speaker 2>going to show up for the next ten years and

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<v Speaker 2>post every day? And then he goes, how many in Australia?

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<v Speaker 2>How many people got in Australia? How many people you

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<v Speaker 2>actually reckon they're going to do that small number? Who

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<v Speaker 2>goes if you're one of those numbers, He goes, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>kill it. No brain. I just had to post every

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<v Speaker 2>day from there and I have you know, for the

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<v Speaker 2>next four years, I've got over a million followers. I

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<v Speaker 2>was collective on social media and that's from posting every day.

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<v Speaker 2>It was that simple in my head. Yeah, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Good on that mate for seeing seeing the logic there.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like you mentioned your dog. It's a staffy by

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<v Speaker 1>looks of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Staffy the world's best dogs, the best. Yeah, Bonnie, she's

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<v Speaker 2>the best. She's famous too. I see some people sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, can I get a photo? And so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>where's Bonnie. You're more interested in Bonnie than they are me,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So that's and it's hard. Let's just talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how hard it is to turn your life around. First

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<v Speaker 1>of how did you kick the kick the drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to a stage where I was done. I

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<v Speaker 2>broken my ankle. Jumped off a roof and broken my ankle,

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<v Speaker 2>so I was hobbling around. I went to the hospital.

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<v Speaker 2>The hospital said you need to have that plast and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe operated, and I said, I've got to go get

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<v Speaker 2>on pretty much. I'm out. I just need next ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Just give me a pair of crutches. So I hobbled

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<v Speaker 2>it off for the next six months, and in that

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<v Speaker 2>time of not being able to put weight on my foot,

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<v Speaker 2>I was addicted to drugs. I was in trap houses.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd ended up in a back bed bedroom. The house

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<v Speaker 2>had been shot up two nights running, so it got

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<v Speaker 2>shot up one night and got shot up the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody in that house had left. I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>back bedroom, and I woke up in the morning and

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<v Speaker 2>the deal was, I to go get high again. This

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be sick because I was on heroin too,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'd had enough. I just I can remember thinking

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<v Speaker 2>in my head that if I don't get clean, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to die. Because I had three ods in my

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<v Speaker 2>active addiction where I've been brought back to life, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like I said, the stabbings of shootings, all the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to a time where I just knew if

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't get clean, I was going to end up dead.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember that morning. I thought, I can't go

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<v Speaker 2>get on. I've been doing this four years now, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>This bender went on for four years, and I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>if I go get on again, there's another weak cycle

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<v Speaker 2>of getting high and moves in the next one. So

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<v Speaker 2>I rang my brother, my middle brother shout out to Robbie,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and I rang him and I said, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had enough, and he goes, We've heard this before.

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<v Speaker 2>I said I've had enough, rob you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>in tears. I said, I can't do this anymore, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, I'm going to end up dead. And I

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<v Speaker 2>knew that I had more to offer to society. To myself,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my legacy, all that than going out in

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<v Speaker 2>a back bedroom as a junkie. And he goes, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to ring you tomorrow. He goes, because I've heard

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<v Speaker 2>you say this before in the last four years. He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to ring you tomorrow, and I see where

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<v Speaker 2>you're at. And he rang me the next day, probably

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty four hours later, and I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>same position I had moved. By this time. Will drawers

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<v Speaker 2>started to kick in. You know, I was a mess.

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<v Speaker 2>It was dry, reaching and hadn't eaten, hadn't slept, sweating,

0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.800
<v Speaker 2>and he goes, where are you sitting in the same

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<v Speaker 2>place I was yesterday morning? And he goes, yeah, you really.

0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.280
<v Speaker 2>I said, mate, I'm fucking you know, I'm done. And

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, and what, you don't want to ask me

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<v Speaker 2>to lend you any money or anything like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>said no, I said, I'm fucking done, man. I said, Rob,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really laid down to die like that's it. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just done. I said, I can't do this anymore. Obviously

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<v Speaker 2>it was an emotional speaking to a family. And then

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<v Speaker 2>he goes, all right, he goes, I like the sound

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<v Speaker 2>of this. He goes, I'm gonna give you one more day.

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<v Speaker 2>He guys are going to bring you tomorrow morning. He goes,

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<v Speaker 2>If you're in the same position, he goes, oh, come

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<v Speaker 2>get ya. He rang me the next morning. I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I just done forty eight hours and

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<v Speaker 2>I was in fucking I was in a bad spot.

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<v Speaker 2>You know this times, cramp and diarrhea and vomiting, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>all the stuff, sweats, shakes, cramps, all the stuff. And

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't come and get yea, And they come grab me,

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<v Speaker 2>took me up to his house and put me in

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<v Speaker 2>a bedroom in the back room at his house. And

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<v Speaker 2>that was it. Man, I just knew I just had

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<v Speaker 2>to survive the next two to three weeks, just get through.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no chance of me walking out the front door,

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<v Speaker 2>of climbing through a window and going getting on. There

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<v Speaker 2>was not even if a bit about it, because as

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<v Speaker 2>soon as I got clean, my whole life was about

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<v Speaker 2>to start. And I just laid there, man, I just

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<v Speaker 2>laid there. They pretty much brought me in plates of

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<v Speaker 2>food and that was it it. It took me a

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<v Speaker 2>week to crawl to the bathroom before I could have

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<v Speaker 2>a shower, and I just did it the old school way,

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<v Speaker 2>white knuckled it, as we said, dried out. And that's it. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>My life has been bliss ever since.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see the emotions just talking about thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>The massive turning point in my life. Yeah, it's massive, huge,

0:13:19.640 --> 0:13:21.680
<v Speaker 2>one of the biggest demons I ever had to conquer.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like to I like to think I'm built.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm built right, I was built for it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, some people maybe would have buckled. I didn't. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I got clean. It was about the three week mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I was able to sit at the table

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<v Speaker 2>now talk and my mum would come up, and my

0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:38.640
<v Speaker 2>other brother would come up, and we'd have a family

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<v Speaker 2>dinner and it'd start to you know, get some sleep

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<v Speaker 2>by now and have a shower and starting to do

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<v Speaker 2>some push ups in the garage and take Bonnie for

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<v Speaker 2>a walk, and you know, and then it would have

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<v Speaker 2>been about the fourth fifth week mark. It's starting to

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<v Speaker 2>feel a lot better. I mean I still look at

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<v Speaker 2>those first videos, you know, and I was, yeah, you go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really taking its toll on me. People in the

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<v Speaker 2>area thought I got sick. Sick, like people were saying,

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<v Speaker 2>is he got cancer, aes or something? Because I was

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<v Speaker 2>that I look like skeletor. No one had ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>me that light, you know, that was just skin and bones.

0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.320
<v Speaker 2>And people were actually like, I don't think it's drugs.

0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:15.240
<v Speaker 2>I think he's actually sick, sick like you know, And

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<v Speaker 2>that's how bad I looked. Anyway, I was sitting at

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<v Speaker 2>the table and I remember saying, I spoken to a

0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.760
<v Speaker 2>mate that was like into social media, and he told

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<v Speaker 2>me about this brand. And I hadn't even I was

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<v Speaker 2>still in Melbourne, you know, and I hadn't even left

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<v Speaker 2>yet to go get start my journey. And I turned

0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:33.880
<v Speaker 2>around to my family and they remember this, and I

0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:35.880
<v Speaker 2>said I might give this social media shit a crack,

0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:38.200
<v Speaker 2>and they thought, oh, of course you will.

0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:38.400
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm really good at manifesting. You know, when I

0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:44.640
<v Speaker 2>see something, I can smell it, I can feel it.

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<v Speaker 2>I us nine out of ten times I have been

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<v Speaker 2>able to do this since I was a kid. I

0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:51.080
<v Speaker 2>could make it happen. And so yeah, man went up Todate.

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<v Speaker 2>They got me a ticket, one way ticket with me

0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.120
<v Speaker 2>and my dog, flewing my dog up to Cans, nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but the clothes on my back. My mate put me

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<v Speaker 2>up in an airbnbare Airbnb for a month and let's

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<v Speaker 2>see what happens. I started documenting my life, my new life,

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<v Speaker 2>which was left out.

0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Of document documenting the journey and.

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<v Speaker 2>Documenting the journey, and that's it. Man, what a journey.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Kansas a beautiful place up there, very grounding, very grounding,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot going for it. The fact that you're documenting like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine that's almost not a safety in there.

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<v Speaker 1>But it makes it hard for you to go back because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what I'm doing. You'd hate to lose your

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<v Speaker 1>way on that journey because you'd feel like a hypocritical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, keep me accountable. It was like it was video diary. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a video diary, journal, journal, but I'm putting

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<v Speaker 2>it out to the world. Yeah, so it's letting them

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<v Speaker 2>judge you to see what they There would have been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of naysay, okay, where is this gonna again?

0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.200
<v Speaker 2>That fail the junkie on social media they were saying,

0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.800
<v Speaker 2>this guy's cooked because all those videos where I was

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<v Speaker 2>carrying on, I was like six weeks clean. Yeah, eight

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<v Speaker 2>weeks clean, you know, moving into three months clean type deal.

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<v Speaker 2>So I still had this lot in my system. I

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<v Speaker 2>had all these demons from the old life. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>I did a deep dive on you last night, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was a lot that there was still a lot

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<v Speaker 1>going on. Oh yeah, when there's.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of pain, Yeah, a lot of pain in there.

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<v Speaker 2>And I see a hurt little boy in those videos.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's what That's what it is. But had

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<v Speaker 2>this so much armor. No one's going to get me.

0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:27.760
<v Speaker 2>I'll hurt them before they hurt me. And I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>even see that back then, but now I look, that's

0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.760
<v Speaker 2>what I see, And yeah, that's what was coming across.

0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.680
<v Speaker 2>And I'm telling the story. Is still talking tough. It

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<v Speaker 2>seemed like I was you knowing you had the jail swagger. Yeah, yeah,

0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:42.040
<v Speaker 2>I GLORI it looked like I was glorifying the life.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just knew I had to show up on

0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:46.920
<v Speaker 2>social media and turn heads my way. I come from

0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.600
<v Speaker 2>a strategic life, so there was a lot of method

0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to my madness. I knew exactly what I was doing.

0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:54.960
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to tell the stories because when I talked about, hey,

0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, so I had a good day today, I

0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:57.960
<v Speaker 2>took my dog for a walk, no one cared. But

0:16:58.520 --> 0:16:59.920
<v Speaker 2>this time I got in a punch on in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>bundreds of thousands of video views, you know, the video popped.

0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:06.320
<v Speaker 2>So it was all about planning the sea, getting people related,

0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:08.639
<v Speaker 2>will you know, looking my way? And it was a

0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:10.560
<v Speaker 2>lot of a negative attention, but as they say in

0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:12.680
<v Speaker 2>that game, any attention is good attention.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you would have to be resilient there because there

0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.840
<v Speaker 1>would have been a lot of I would imagine a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people attacking you, going here we go again.

0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:21.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what is in the joke on them?

0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:21.240
<v Speaker 1>Now?

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got to prove who got the last laughing?

0:17:24.720 --> 0:17:27.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, I like you virtually burnt the escape route

0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:31.920
<v Speaker 1>away once you started posting publicly. So is that how

0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:34.399
<v Speaker 1>you started to earn a living? And yes, tell us

0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:38.000
<v Speaker 1>about your your evolving into becoming a citizen.

0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:41.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, the first step was I started

0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.800
<v Speaker 2>creative income and that was on TikTok. So I built

0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 2>a community on TikTok and I started live streaming. And

0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.000
<v Speaker 2>then there was this battle scene on TikTok where you know,

0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:54.760
<v Speaker 2>your community could gift you and that gifts transferring to money,

0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.960
<v Speaker 2>and so like, you know, if we're me battled on TikTok,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say you've got a community, you've got a following.

0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I've got Mike you need, I've got my following. They're

0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.520
<v Speaker 2>set off in these battles and we've got a five

0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 2>minute round and there's times, two points and all this

0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:09.119
<v Speaker 2>other jargon. And then you know, my community trying to

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:11.560
<v Speaker 2>gift me more than your community to give you, and

0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I become the winner. And then there's a whole ranking thing,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So you've got a top hundred every week.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, if you challenge me the battle on Tiktach, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I'm fun.

0:18:20.720 --> 0:18:23.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I haven't battled over probably about two years now.

0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But it was all part of the journey. And I

0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.600
<v Speaker 2>created an income and I created some good money, you know.

0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.000
<v Speaker 2>And so from there we moved down back down to

0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Victoria because I was with a mate. He was up

0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.040
<v Speaker 2>there too. He got clean, but that's a whole other

0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.600
<v Speaker 2>side of the story. And so we traveled down together.

0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.040
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I mean, you know, I got my license.

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<v Speaker 1>How did that feel for the first time driving around

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<v Speaker 1>knowing if the cops pulled you over?

0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.320
<v Speaker 2>It was a full on drama. I was forty man

0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.200
<v Speaker 2>and got a license. I had to sit my ols

0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and that, Yeah, did.

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<v Speaker 1>You get around in place.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, Yeah, it was a full on had to have

0:18:57.280 --> 0:18:59.040
<v Speaker 2>a license driving next to me, And did.

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<v Speaker 1>You wear your peep plates? Yeah?

0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 2>I did all with deal. Yeah, I'm pretty like pretty

0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:04.880
<v Speaker 2>even my friends would tell me, you know, like today

0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you're so straight, you know, even jaywalk Man,

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Like they're like, we're just parking.

0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Now I'll get told I.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't, you know, like I'm pretty pretty clean cut now.

0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:14.960
<v Speaker 2>I like to do the right thing as much. I'll

0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:16.600
<v Speaker 2>give you a lot of energy doing the right thing.

0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.240
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it was fun. You know. It was all

0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:22.399
<v Speaker 2>the whole new world, this whole bank accounts and now

0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I've just getting on my tax sorted and they we

0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:27.080
<v Speaker 2>just paid a big tax bill and like all this

0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:29.440
<v Speaker 2>stuff's new. I'm like, whall, you know, I just got

0:19:29.440 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a bookkeeper on board for the business and all this stuff.

0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.919
<v Speaker 2>This it's just been a journey of learning and growth,

0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:34.680
<v Speaker 2>this whole new world.

0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:36.920
<v Speaker 1>How did that narrowsh you personally?

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Like?

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.439
<v Speaker 1>Did this feel more fulfilling? Oh?

0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was exciting because it was a

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.200
<v Speaker 2>whole new world and I decided to do the right thing,

0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.399
<v Speaker 2>and so yeah, it was. It was that there was

0:19:47.480 --> 0:19:49.640
<v Speaker 2>days where it was hard it was a struggle because

0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:51.159
<v Speaker 2>it was all foreign, it was all new to me.

0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:51.720
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it's scratching my head. I'm confused as fuck, you know.

0:19:54.640 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I mean I've got it. We're getting it.

0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.680
<v Speaker 1>It's you know, is there any is there was there

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<v Speaker 1>any temptation or any just fleeking moment where you thought,

0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:05.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck it, I'm out here. I'm back to the old

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.000
<v Speaker 1>world at all.

0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:10.040
<v Speaker 2>There's been there's been times I've been tested.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because that that's the type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been challenged. I've been challenged, but I think I'm

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<v Speaker 2>strong enough to you know, I didn't do the whole rehab,

0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 2>the NA type deal. And Danny taught me a lot

0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:24.280
<v Speaker 2>about that space. Danny was almost like a sponsor for me,

0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.239
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't even know. He taught me a lot

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<v Speaker 2>about addiction, you know, Danny Shannon shout out and let's and.

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<v Speaker 1>We were having a laugh about Danny before we started recording.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the world's happiest human, so happy, grateful, it could be,

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<v Speaker 1>so positive.

0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so like it was. That was handy. But

0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.719
<v Speaker 2>I can honestly sit here and say I'll never touch

0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.680
<v Speaker 2>drugs again. Whereas in the attic world that's like, don't

0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:49.240
<v Speaker 2>sell yourself short. You know, the second that you say

0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:51.720
<v Speaker 2>you won't touch drugs, maybe you will. I'm here the

0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:53.680
<v Speaker 2>hurdle and Neil, it didn't work like that for me.

0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.639
<v Speaker 2>I've got to say, there's something about you in the

0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.960
<v Speaker 2>way that you're delivering it and talking about it. Give

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<v Speaker 2>me the confidence because that's always my concern if someone's

0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>kicked drugs, Well, life gives you kicks in the guts

0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:07.840
<v Speaker 2>and we're all going to get them, and whether that's

0:21:07.920 --> 0:21:09.920
<v Speaker 2>something to draw your back, but there seems to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeffrey Morgan would say, Gary, every lesson is a blessing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm up for the challenge. Like it's not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be all sunshines and rainbows. You know, there's going

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:19.440
<v Speaker 2>to be down days. There's going to be days that

0:21:19.480 --> 0:21:21.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm tested. There's going to be challenges, There's going to

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:23.520
<v Speaker 2>be ups and downs. I'm up for the challenge. I

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<v Speaker 2>get it because there's only that's where growth is without dark,

0:21:26.640 --> 0:21:27.240
<v Speaker 2>there's no light.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got good people around it.

0:21:29.160 --> 0:21:31.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've got a huge supports. You know, I wouldn't

0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:33.800
<v Speaker 2>know where to score if I tried, you know, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've cut some really.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I haven't heard that from someone here. But that's good,

0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.600
<v Speaker 1>you know how far you've come from the world.

0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:47.040
<v Speaker 2>And also I've cut some people off that, you know,

0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I've known for thirty forty years. I challenged a bloke

0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 2>a few months ago. He got out, you know, I'd

0:21:52.359 --> 0:21:54.920
<v Speaker 2>known him since we're kids. And what are you doing?

0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.440
<v Speaker 2>What's his social media stuff and his breath works stuff?

0:21:57.480 --> 0:21:59.040
<v Speaker 2>What's going on? And I talked to him for about

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.440
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes, and I thought, man, I got to I've

0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:02.720
<v Speaker 2>got to plan a set. I've got to, you know,

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:04.800
<v Speaker 2>see how this is going to go, because this could

0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.720
<v Speaker 2>be a liability, you know. And he's talking about because

0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:09.679
<v Speaker 2>he's on the phone to me, he's walking past. Man,

0:22:09.680 --> 0:22:11.680
<v Speaker 2>I just walked past the Matt Merk. Wouldn't mind jumping

0:22:11.720 --> 0:22:15.480
<v Speaker 2>in that, you know, you know, stepped away from you.

0:22:15.760 --> 0:22:19.560
<v Speaker 2>And I said, so listen, if I was to if

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<v Speaker 2>I was to meet up with you, I said, might

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.120
<v Speaker 2>I haven't used in over four years now, I said,

0:22:24.119 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 2>If I was to meet up with you and you

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<v Speaker 2>had something on you, I said, would you chop us

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<v Speaker 2>out one time? Just one day out? You know, I said,

0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:32.119
<v Speaker 2>and not tell no one. I said, you wouldn't lagged me,

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.119
<v Speaker 2>would you. Of course, I wouldn't gas up. Make you

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.320
<v Speaker 2>deserve it? He goes, you deserve it? Made one day out?

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:39.000
<v Speaker 2>He goes, it's only one day mate, He goes, I'll

0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 2>chop you out. And I wouldn't say nothing, I promise.

0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.560
<v Speaker 2>He goes My words, my word said thanks mate, thanks

0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.160
<v Speaker 2>for that. When I got off the phone, I blocked

0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 2>him on every fucking account known to man. What's that

0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:51.359
<v Speaker 2>fucking his phone number, his social media everything. He the

0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.800
<v Speaker 2>only way he could contact me is if he knocked

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:56.200
<v Speaker 2>on my front door, and I doubt he'd have my dress.

0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:58.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, this is a friend that I've known,

0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:01.080
<v Speaker 2>We've been through thick and thin together. I had to

0:23:01.160 --> 0:23:03.080
<v Speaker 2>let go. I'm actually really good at that now. He's

0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:05.680
<v Speaker 2>just cutting energy off when it doesn't serve me. And

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:07.680
<v Speaker 2>that was negative energy. He was a risk, he was

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:08.800
<v Speaker 2>a liability. He's got to go.

0:23:09.400 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's a really powerful statement. I want

0:23:11.960 --> 0:23:14.080
<v Speaker 1>to break it down a little bit because I see

0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:17.359
<v Speaker 1>people that fall back into old habits. But what a

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.840
<v Speaker 1>great test on it. That's clever. That's clever because that

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 1>tells you exactly his mindset. Because I see like it

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.520
<v Speaker 1>might be friends, whether it's drugs or alcohol or whatever,

0:23:27.560 --> 0:23:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're trying to do the right thing, and you

0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.639
<v Speaker 1>see other people trying to drag him back in. Just

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:33.919
<v Speaker 1>come out. You know, someone will if they drink, they

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.560
<v Speaker 1>give him the shit because they do crazy stuff. They're

0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:39.480
<v Speaker 1>not meant to drink. But they'll have friends that will say,

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I just have one. You'll be right, No one will know.

0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I hate that sort of shit. And my brothers love

0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a vier. Yeah.

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 2>My brothers are both tradees. Yeah, beautiful houses, beautiful businesses,

0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.720
<v Speaker 2>beautiful homes, kids, misses, all the traditional stuff. They're pretty solid.

0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.320
<v Speaker 2>But you know on Grand Final Day or UFCS on

0:23:54.520 --> 0:23:57.520
<v Speaker 2>or public holiday, they're smashing a six pack of jacks.

0:23:57.560 --> 0:23:57.920
<v Speaker 1>They love it.

0:23:58.359 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 2>I'll be in and out on those days. I'll pop in.

0:24:00.560 --> 0:24:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I have a feet.

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I've got to go.

0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Nothing against them, but I just I don't want to

0:24:03.520 --> 0:24:05.320
<v Speaker 2>sit around the table for the next couple of hours

0:24:05.640 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 2>and want to because you do you think I just one.

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 1>Can You know youve got to You've got to stay

0:24:10.600 --> 0:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>strong and keep that keep that action up there. But

0:24:13.800 --> 0:24:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that was why I was cutting someone like that, And

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.159
<v Speaker 1>it's hard, but you've got to protect yourself.

0:24:19.440 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 2>No one's going to jeopardize my journey, you know. And

0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm on a good path now. And I say, I

0:24:24.040 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>say it, man, I love my mother before my heart.

0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.920
<v Speaker 2>But and nothing She's done nothing wrong, you know, she's

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 2>been challenged. But I do say one of my things,

0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:33.959
<v Speaker 2>I say, if my own mon mother was to jeopardize

0:24:34.000 --> 0:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>my journey of doing the right thing, she'd have to go. Yeah,

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter who it is, right, it's so important.

0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:42.359
<v Speaker 2>So I can honestly say that nothing's going to stop

0:24:42.440 --> 0:24:44.160
<v Speaker 2>me doing the right thing in life.

0:24:44.640 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 1>You know what the other stuff you're doing, breath work,

0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 1>talk us through that. It's all about.

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.640
<v Speaker 2>What happened next was after some TikTok battles and making

0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>in calm, I've got a little home rental, you know,

0:24:56.359 --> 0:24:59.040
<v Speaker 2>some furniture. I got myself a little car, and I

0:24:59.080 --> 0:25:02.080
<v Speaker 2>took about eighteen month or so to sort of set

0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>my life up and start to live like you or

0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 2>ainary civilian. I then started to do merch. I created

0:25:07.680 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 2>hope cartel. I think it was actually Russell mansa rest

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:14.119
<v Speaker 2>in Peace. I got labeled on social media as the

0:25:14.200 --> 0:25:17.000
<v Speaker 2>hope Dealer. He's no longer the dope dealer. He's the

0:25:17.080 --> 0:25:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Hope Dealer. People used to say, and that's about you

0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:23.040
<v Speaker 2>on social he used to deal dope, now he deals hope.

0:25:23.040 --> 0:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>From dope dealer to hope dealer. And so I got

0:25:25.080 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 2>labeled the Hope Dealer. And we used to do these

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>live streams where I'd have, you know, the Jeffrey Morgan's,

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 2>the Russell Mansers, the Danny Shannon's, and we'd get you

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the Glenn Fishes. We get this group together and we'd

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:38.600
<v Speaker 2>spit some wisdom about the old life being shithouse and

0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:43.360
<v Speaker 2>all the stuff. And I remember Russ one night he said, look,

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>I said, look at us, all a bunch of hope dealers.

0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:45.760
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:50.120
<v Speaker 2>He's like yeah, and he's like yeah, he goes Hope Cartel.

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:52.359
<v Speaker 2>That's what he mentioned, I said her. And as soon

0:25:52.400 --> 0:25:55.480
<v Speaker 2>as he said it, like Bob, I thought, that is

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:58.080
<v Speaker 2>killer Hope Cartel. That's going to be the brand go

0:25:58.200 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>straight away, I reckon. Within a couple of months of that,

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I registered that name as a business. We've got my

0:26:03.480 --> 0:26:06.080
<v Speaker 2>brothers to help me. Got an ABN registered as a

0:26:06.160 --> 0:26:09.000
<v Speaker 2>business and paid for the name and the business name

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, and then it started to the Hope Cartel.

0:26:12.200 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 2>We built this community, Hope Cartel. Gary's the Hope Dealer.

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:18.440
<v Speaker 2>No longer the Dope Dealer. He's the owner of Hope Cartel.

0:26:18.440 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 2>When I was doing merchandise, that was the start of

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Hope Cartel. I just started pumping out merchant and be honest, goes,

0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 2>I flipped batches of merch like I used to flip

0:26:25.280 --> 0:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>batches a gear. You know, I drop a dollar for

0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.879
<v Speaker 2>a hundred hoodies and I get a dollar back on them,

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, type deal. And it was the same old

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:34.680
<v Speaker 2>method that I was used to.

0:26:35.119 --> 0:26:38.160
<v Speaker 1>But now so you're a business man, you're just legitimizing

0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 1>your business. Yeah, and then people were buying into it.

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they loved it.

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:43.480
<v Speaker 1>They lapped it up.

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>And so you know, at that stage, all I really

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:48.920
<v Speaker 2>was doing is offering knowledge, you know, through my social

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:52.920
<v Speaker 2>media and selling some hoodies and getting gifted on TikTok

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.160
<v Speaker 2>like it was, you know, like you've got more, I've

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.400
<v Speaker 2>got more to give, but let's see where this will

0:26:58.440 --> 0:27:01.879
<v Speaker 2>take us. And I got off by an absolute gentleman.

0:27:02.720 --> 0:27:08.520
<v Speaker 2>Big part of my mentorship leadership. You know, I've got

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.720
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of blokes, Jeffrey Morgan, Danny Shannon, what Tani

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 2>his name is they're calling Wah. And he's the owner

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.200
<v Speaker 2>of a business called a Men'd Movement, deals with men's

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 2>mental health workshops, helping men take the armor off, take

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the mask off, and deal with you know, what's inside,

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.960
<v Speaker 2>what we're suppressing, and acknowledge, you know, our shame and

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 2>guilt we might have, but also forgiveness and learn to

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>be a better man, because a man is a foundation

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 2>of the home. Let's be honest, A happy man's a

0:27:35.960 --> 0:27:38.879
<v Speaker 2>happy home. And whiles out there, you know, teaching men

0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to be you know, positive masculine men, men that are protectors,

0:27:43.160 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>they're providers, but they're also loving, nurturing men as well.

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:48.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that's a beautiful balance of a

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:53.600
<v Speaker 2>man and I've never seen this before. And then Yo, Wah.

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>He reached out to me on social media. We did

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a live together, and then he reached out to me

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 2>afterwards and he said, I believe you have a gift

0:28:01.680 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 2>to help a lot of people. He said, let me

0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>help you heal so you can help others heal. And

0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>he offered me a ticket, a free ticket for me

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 2>and my mate Sawney. You know, he's the guy we

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.159
<v Speaker 2>I come down from Cans with. He'd gotten clean and

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:15.879
<v Speaker 2>headed up CANS prior to me going to Cans and

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 2>then we've been on this healing journey together. And so

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 2>me and Shawney went to one of Ware's workshops and

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a full day workshop. You get there at nine o'clock,

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 2>you don't leave till six. And these these blokes are

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:29.760
<v Speaker 2>all big built blokes. They're in the gym, they get tattoos,

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 2>they're men's men, but they're so loving, they're so caring,

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>they're so nurturing. But also you see the provider and

0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>the protector in them, you know, and you're like, wow,

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen this. I'd never seen a man like

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>that in my life, you know, because when you've seen

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 2>someone that was you know, positive masculine energy, they come

0:28:47.120 --> 0:28:50.120
<v Speaker 2>across soft, you know. Or if you've seen a man

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>that was hard and you know they had that stoic mentality,

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 2>then it was that moved into that toxic sort of

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.160
<v Speaker 2>space and they had the perfect balance.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, the environment you're in in jil everyone's bridged up

0:29:01.520 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>and walking around with attitude and the SNAr. Okay, so

0:29:06.040 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 1>you've well not stumbled, You've been invited into this, and

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:12.840
<v Speaker 1>you're saying you're saying something positive that you hadn't seen before.

0:29:13.040 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And at the end of this it was like

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.480
<v Speaker 2>a let's call it like a three course meal breakfast, lunch,

0:29:18.640 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 2>and dinner, and then a dessert. The dessert at the

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:25.160
<v Speaker 2>end was breathwork. And the style that style of breath

0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>worker is holotropic yep. So it's an intense somatic breath

0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>and it causes the body to release it's called soma,

0:29:31.800 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>so we call it soma. It's a short version and

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 2>it's to release negative energy that the body holds onto.

0:29:37.040 --> 0:29:40.440
<v Speaker 2>So we live experiences in life and what happens on

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the back of those experiences we feel them. That feeling

0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>is energy. Where does that does that energy go? It's

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:50.000
<v Speaker 2>called the body keeps score and the body holds onto

0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>that energy positive and negative. See we've got the memory,

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 2>but connected to the experience or the memory is the feeling.

0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 2>The feeling is energy and the body actually holds onto

0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:03.440
<v Speaker 2>that energy. So you know, this causes negative experiences with

0:30:03.560 --> 0:30:06.600
<v Speaker 2>negative energy attached to it. The body's holding onto this

0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:09.760
<v Speaker 2>causes us to drag our feet, anxiety, depression, you know,

0:30:09.960 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 2>all the mental health diagnosis, addictional, The list goes on.

0:30:13.160 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 2>And so this breath work is designed to release the

0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>negative energy out the body. Also combination of breath holds.

0:30:20.800 --> 0:30:24.400
<v Speaker 2>Through the breath holds you activate dmt dimethyl trip to

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.440
<v Speaker 2>mean we're having the chemical we have in the body.

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 2>We get a natural release of that when we're born,

0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>and when we die, you know that lays dormant for

0:30:30.760 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 2>the rest of our lives. We can activate this dimethr

0:30:34.440 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 2>trip to mean through this breath work as well. That's

0:30:36.920 --> 0:30:39.200
<v Speaker 2>in the same category as plant based medicine. So we're

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>talking mushrooms, aouas ga, you know, pyote, that sort of stuff.

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:47.720
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so it's this massive spiritual experience. It's almost

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.280
<v Speaker 2>it feels like a near death experience. Your life literally

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:52.720
<v Speaker 2>flashes before your eyes, all the good and the bad,

0:30:52.880 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 2>and you release all this negative energy out the body

0:30:55.120 --> 0:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>at the same time through the somatic breath and it's

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:01.240
<v Speaker 2>something very hard to put into words, but when you do,

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>it is life changing.

0:31:03.320 --> 0:31:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Literally well listening and clearly something that's captivated your interest

0:31:08.720 --> 0:31:12.280
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff that you can really understand. And I

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.240
<v Speaker 1>think in something like that, the deeper you go, the

0:31:14.320 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>more you learn. But yeah, I'm not sitting here looking

0:31:17.640 --> 0:31:21.959
<v Speaker 1>at you going what's this hippie dipshit. You're interested in breathwork,

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>You've done something like I've done meditation, retreats, yoga, breathwork,

0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>chagoing from years gone by, so breathing, and I've just

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>recent times doing something which is like vibration and sound

0:31:35.120 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>which looks similar to what you're doing. You say it's

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:42.120
<v Speaker 1>like a trip. You come out and you feel different.

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Now is it spiritual? I don't know. I know how

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:47.720
<v Speaker 1>it makes me feel. I got through the cops for

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 1>a very long time and my go to place was

0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:53.720
<v Speaker 1>doing sort of meditation and breath work and different things,

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:56.800
<v Speaker 1>so I know it affects me in a positive way.

0:31:57.240 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Sort of recenters me, so I do understand. I think

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating. It's alternative medicine, I think, but their science

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.800
<v Speaker 1>are starting to look into the type of stuff. I

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 1>don't know the exact thing that you're doing, but I

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.320
<v Speaker 1>know how it can evoke emotions. I remember in Nepoll

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it breathing, sound, healing and different things like it was

0:32:17.160 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 1>having a different impact on everyone in there when you.

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Released this negative energy. A lot of times that negative

0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 2>energy it comes out aggressively. It comes out. It's like

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>sunshines and rainbows because it's negative energy. So on the

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>back of that, it's usually cries and screams. It looks

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>confronting to watch, but when you're going through it, it's

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>so liberating, it's so cleansing. It's a beautiful experience. So,

0:32:40.880 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, we jumped on the mat for the first time.

0:32:42.840 --> 0:32:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I had this massive experience and I literally never felt

0:32:45.920 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 2>the same since.

0:32:46.640 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 1>So tell us what it did for you. What was

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>your personal experience.

0:32:49.520 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to put into words, so I had. You know,

0:32:52.600 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 2>they call it, we call it in the space connecting

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.440
<v Speaker 2>with spirit. So you know, a lot of tribes for

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>thousands of years have connected with spirit through plant based medicine.

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 2>We do this through the power of our breath. Also,

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of frequencies in tones we run through headphones,

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.200
<v Speaker 2>so when you will beat subliminal messaging, everything's tuned to

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and thirty two hertz, which is a very

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:14.080
<v Speaker 2>known healing frequency, very special number NLP, you know, at

0:33:14.120 --> 0:33:17.600
<v Speaker 2>least hypnotic suggestion, very powerful playlist. So it's almost like

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a blockbuster, that's what we call them. Journeys in the

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>headphones and then guided by the owner of nine D

0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly, which is an absolute legend. And so you've

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>got this audio going on crazy. If you've heard of

0:33:28.680 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 2>guided meditations through headphones, imagine that on steroids. You've got

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the eyemass helps you sit internal so there's no external distraction,

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>and then you're breathing to activate the medicine. Yeah, it's

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>like a blueprint on life.

0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.960
<v Speaker 2>I had this hard, long look internally where i'd been,

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>where I started, where I've been, and where I should

0:33:46.800 --> 0:33:49.080
<v Speaker 2>be going. And I also had a lot of people

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>that have passed on come and visit me. So when

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.400
<v Speaker 2>I connected with spirit, you know, my dad come to

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>visit me, my nanam Pop, some mates that are passed on.

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.280
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I was laying on my hospital and

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:03.080
<v Speaker 2>they're all standing over me. It's this beautiful experience, very

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 2>connected with universe, universe, self source spirit, massive, huge experience,

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 2>very very spiritual. You know, I believe our spirit is

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>our soul. I believe our soul has always been here.

0:34:15.440 --> 0:34:19.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're living this human, physical, external, conscious reality

0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:22.560
<v Speaker 2>wherein now I believe we've been here before and we'll

0:34:22.600 --> 0:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>be here again. Our souls eternal energy never lies and

0:34:26.080 --> 0:34:28.439
<v Speaker 2>it never dies. So when you connect with a soul,

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:32.520
<v Speaker 2>our true essence, our energy, our spirit. You know, you

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 2>look through this lens of life and it all seems

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 2>pretty trivia. You know. I could understand the wounds I had,

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 2>and I could let go of some of those wounds,

0:34:42.040 --> 0:34:44.319
<v Speaker 2>you know, and also, you know, have a hard, long

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>look at us outside of this vessel just energy.

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:51.279
<v Speaker 1>How long have you been doing this shit?

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing it for about nearly three years now.

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so you've got the history of it. I see

0:34:57.200 --> 0:35:00.879
<v Speaker 1>sometimes I see people come into different things I've been into.

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I call them the amway. They walk in and they

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:09.080
<v Speaker 1>come out so excited that they've just discovered the meaning

0:35:09.120 --> 0:35:11.359
<v Speaker 1>to life, and it doesn't pan out. But if you've

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:12.759
<v Speaker 1>been doing it for three years, and.

0:35:14.320 --> 0:35:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I've used a lot of other tools too, that's one

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:17.400
<v Speaker 2>tool in the backpack.

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:35:17.800 --> 0:35:20.760
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of others, but that's that's our staple.

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:24.000
<v Speaker 2>And so yeah. I remember sitting up for my first

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>session with wa and I looked him straight eyes and

0:35:27.800 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I said, Man, how do I become a facilitator? I said,

0:35:30.200 --> 0:35:32.160
<v Speaker 2>I've found my purpose right then, and now I knew

0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:34.919
<v Speaker 2>because I've been looking for a solution my whole life

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.279
<v Speaker 2>obviously had some issues growing up the way I did,

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:41.000
<v Speaker 2>and I've been looking for solution, but that solution was

0:35:41.040 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 2>always external. It was always an external solution for an

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>internal problem. And what I found that day when I

0:35:47.120 --> 0:35:49.160
<v Speaker 2>laid on the mat and I breathed, is the solution

0:35:49.360 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 2>was sitting here the whole time. It was right next

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 2>to the problem. I had the solution. I had all

0:35:53.200 --> 0:35:55.239
<v Speaker 2>the answers. I just didn't know how to get to them.

0:35:55.800 --> 0:35:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And Ward showed me how to get to them. And

0:35:57.680 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 2>so as soon as I found the solution, I found

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>my purpose. I knew right then and am my purpose

0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:04.399
<v Speaker 2>was to show the world this. I had to teach

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the world what I'd just been taught, which is the

0:36:06.880 --> 0:36:09.520
<v Speaker 2>gift that we already have. It's how powerful we really

0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:12.520
<v Speaker 2>are when we come back to self. And so yeah,

0:36:12.760 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>I went on a mission to just breathe as much

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:16.560
<v Speaker 2>as I could, to show up at the workshops, to

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:19.120
<v Speaker 2>do the work on self, to do the internal work.

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:22.800
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, now I ended up becoming a facilitator for

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:26.080
<v Speaker 2>about eighteen months after the fact of starting my healing journey,

0:36:26.400 --> 0:36:28.600
<v Speaker 2>literally proper healing, not just wanting to live.

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>A better life.

0:36:29.000 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 2>I'd started to work within and focus on the wounds

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>and unpack the negative energy my body had been holding

0:36:34.520 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 2>onto from my experiences in life. And I suppose that's

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:38.719
<v Speaker 2>why the way I talk and walk the way I

0:36:38.800 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>do today, because I'm unpacking all this shit that the

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 2>body was suppressing.

0:36:42.200 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't know you beforehand, but I saw the

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>earlier videos and I'm seeing who I'm sitting here talking

0:36:48.040 --> 0:36:50.680
<v Speaker 1>to now. There's a difference. There's a calmness about you,

0:36:51.160 --> 0:36:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and I don't mind experimenting in different things. And I

0:36:54.760 --> 0:36:57.920
<v Speaker 1>think some things work for one person that might work

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:00.959
<v Speaker 1>for the other. But I got no problems with people

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>who have found something that works for them. Like I've

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.399
<v Speaker 1>had people I'm not religious, I've had people sitting here

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and yeah, I turned my life around because I found God.

0:37:10.400 --> 0:37:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Well that's what I say, Like, Okay, well that's cool.

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't it's not for me, but if it works

0:37:15.920 --> 0:37:20.480
<v Speaker 1>works for you others physical training, and I think what

0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:22.400
<v Speaker 1>you're doing with the breath work still works with the

0:37:22.440 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>physical train. That's not not exclusive. But good on you

0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>that you found something that works for you. And there's

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a calmness about you. Because I was looking at some

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 1>of your past stuff and I think, Okay, where are

0:37:34.880 --> 0:37:37.160
<v Speaker 1>we going with this? But I felt when you walked

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>in the room, there's an energy.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:40.880
<v Speaker 2>People can't understand it because it's just like, you know,

0:37:40.920 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 2>the way I say, it's like taking an eki. You

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 2>try and explain taking an eki, you won't get it

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:46.680
<v Speaker 2>until you've took one. You just can't put it into words.

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.200
<v Speaker 2>It's exactly the same. You won't get it until you've

0:37:49.200 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 2>tried it. Once you've tried it, everybody falls in love

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:53.320
<v Speaker 2>with it because you find out that we have the answers.

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:56.040
<v Speaker 1>You know, what are some of the examples of people

0:37:56.120 --> 0:37:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that you've helped, Oh.

0:37:57.200 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 2>Some of the winds Man well has some huge Trade's

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:02.719
<v Speaker 2>a funny one, traders. We get tradees on the mat

0:38:02.760 --> 0:38:04.359
<v Speaker 2>and that's a funny one because you know, we get

0:38:04.400 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that come in and they've lived

0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:08.719
<v Speaker 2>they lived a pretty healthy life. Man. Their parents worked hard,

0:38:08.800 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and they had all the toys and the holidays and

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.520
<v Speaker 2>presents under the trees, and then they went into you know,

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:17.000
<v Speaker 2>working and they've worked hard themselves, and they've got the

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 2>nice houses and the business and all the jet skis

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>and the cars, and the kids are going away for

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:24.000
<v Speaker 2>holidays and so it's great. Yeah, exterior looks good. But

0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:26.680
<v Speaker 2>these blokes that work for twenty plus years, when they're

0:38:26.719 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 2>riddled with anxiety depression, you know, they know nothing more

0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.440
<v Speaker 2>than they get on the tools and it does. It

0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:35.279
<v Speaker 2>takes us toll on the body, and so when we

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>get them on the mat we get funny results. A

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:39.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of times is they throw their jobs in They

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:41.560
<v Speaker 2>say this, I can't do this for the next twenty years.

0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:46.560
<v Speaker 2>After they've had this massive spiritual experience and they come out, Man,

0:38:46.600 --> 0:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>I've just sold my house. What do you mean you

0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:50.160
<v Speaker 2>sold your house? I you get a caravan. I'm taking

0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 2>the family and we've traveled Australia. Well, just from your job.

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 2>What do you mean you're through an your job. I'm

0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>going to become a social worker. We hear of it

0:38:56.560 --> 0:38:58.959
<v Speaker 2>all the time, and then you know, they're great wins

0:38:59.000 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 2>because people just want to live life more present. You know,

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.239
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't make sense to him to just have the

0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 2>tunnel vision on after they've had this massive experience.

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.440
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting you mentioned tradesman like I started off in

0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the building trade before I joined the cops. I know

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 1>people have continued in the building trade and it does

0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 1>take a tolerance body like it's hard physical work and

0:39:20.520 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>a day in, day out. But in that space too,

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 1>they don't get the opportunity to even think about their

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:28.360
<v Speaker 1>emotions or Yeah.

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It can be a toxic environment.

0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.799
<v Speaker 1>Well it's the job. When I went through it, very

0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>bloky environment. I would imagine it's still pretty much the same.

0:39:36.080 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't rock up to a building site and you ask, hey, Gary,

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.000
<v Speaker 1>how are you feeling. I'm not feeling really good today.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess that conversation doesn't That doesn't land at all.

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.920
<v Speaker 1>So I can imagine that it opens up new ways

0:39:48.960 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 1>of thinking. Had a younger people a few months ago.

0:39:51.480 --> 0:39:54.319
<v Speaker 1>He had a great relationship in his partners and young

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.000
<v Speaker 1>in his early twenties, got on the mat, went home

0:39:57.080 --> 0:39:59.080
<v Speaker 1>after the session and said, I love you.

0:39:59.360 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 2>And you've that they're nothing anything wrong to me. But

0:40:02.040 --> 0:40:03.719
<v Speaker 2>I've got to go. What do you mean, You've got

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.040
<v Speaker 2>to go? Grab the backpack and he's traveling the world.

0:40:06.200 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 2>He said, I've got to go live. I said, I'll

0:40:08.600 --> 0:40:10.960
<v Speaker 2>come back, but I've got to go. Yeah, Like this

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.480
<v Speaker 2>is the stuff that breathwork does. Yes, it releases negative

0:40:13.600 --> 0:40:16.000
<v Speaker 2>energy and you know, we can deal with anxiety and

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:18.200
<v Speaker 2>depression and trauma and all the stuff because that's really

0:40:18.239 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 2>what it is. You know, when negative energy is pain, hurts, stress, tension, emotion, trauma.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:25.800
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's all these things. And so when you

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>release that, we start to look through a different lens.

0:40:28.280 --> 0:40:32.359
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, seeing you know, seeing people find their peace, man,

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:33.239
<v Speaker 2>it gives me goose puts.

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Is there any pushback on it? Any like negative thoughts?

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>That what.

0:40:39.480 --> 0:40:42.279
<v Speaker 2>People? People will you know, they don't don't understand it.

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 2>And so when you don't understand it, you know, we

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.359
<v Speaker 2>get the people like that's soft, that's weak, and it's

0:40:46.400 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>the opposite.

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:47.120
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:40:47.160 --> 0:40:49.600
<v Speaker 2>It takes a lot of courage to face your demons man,

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, and to maybe find out that you're not

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 2>your best people. Sometimes that's what we call sitting weself.

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>And when we sit with self, the answers come up.

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes people don't want to see the answers. So there's like,

0:41:00.440 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 2>are you ready to start your healing journey? That's a

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:04.920
<v Speaker 2>big part of it, and some people aren't ready, so

0:41:05.000 --> 0:41:08.960
<v Speaker 2>they're going to knock it in the space. There's as

0:41:09.000 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 2>long as you breed deep, it works every time. So

0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't have any negativity. Once people go through their journey,

0:41:15.080 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>it's nothing but positivity on the back of a deep breath.

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting the different reactions you get, like breathing in

0:41:23.000 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 1>one nostril out the other mouth and circulating it around.

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:28.080
<v Speaker 1>There's so many different days.

0:41:28.080 --> 0:41:31.520
<v Speaker 2>So powerful, and we all heard just breathe, or who

0:41:31.520 --> 0:41:32.840
<v Speaker 2>would ever thought just breathe?

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:35.280
<v Speaker 1>Do any of the old old characters.

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 2>I have had to breathe some kidnap victims of mine.

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I've had to breathe some people that have said you

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 2>pulled a gun on me, or you chase my boyfriend

0:41:43.920 --> 0:41:45.719
<v Speaker 2>down the street and shot at him. And they've come

0:41:45.800 --> 0:41:48.799
<v Speaker 2>in and may I'll heal anybody. I'll help anybody here.

0:41:49.080 --> 0:41:53.080
<v Speaker 1>When you say you breeth someone, they're going through the experience, yep,

0:41:53.120 --> 0:41:54.239
<v Speaker 1>and you're there guiding them.

0:41:54.440 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 2>That's correct. So I'm holding space to them. And I

0:41:56.840 --> 0:41:58.480
<v Speaker 2>have had people come in that we were on the

0:41:58.480 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>wrong sides of the fence. They've come in they said, listen,

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 2>all shit aside, man, I believe in what you're doing,

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.320
<v Speaker 2>and I need it. I've actually got someone coming in.

0:42:07.600 --> 0:42:10.279
<v Speaker 2>They've spoke in the jackshop about me years ago. I

0:42:10.400 --> 0:42:13.080
<v Speaker 2>have their paperwork and they reached out and I said, mate,

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:15.440
<v Speaker 2>you're more than welcome. We get on the mat. You know,

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.280
<v Speaker 2>like I wouldn't be in it for the right reasons

0:42:18.360 --> 0:42:20.360
<v Speaker 2>if I was saying you can't heal, but you can't,

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:22.239
<v Speaker 2>I can't be that. Am I truly in it for

0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.200
<v Speaker 2>the right reasons, then I'll help anybody here, Gary.

0:42:25.040 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 1>And it is. And you said during the course of

0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 1>our chat that you want to give back to society,

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 1>and that is this your way of.

0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:36.200
<v Speaker 2>This is how I resent my comic debt's how I

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:38.279
<v Speaker 2>leave a legacy. I'm building an empire for all the

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:41.399
<v Speaker 2>right reasons. Now I'm not hurting anybody. I'm helping. I've

0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 2>learned that I've got to leave with love, not hate.

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I get emotional almost every session. And

0:42:48.160 --> 0:42:50.759
<v Speaker 2>it's mid journey. It's gnarly because they're releasing, you know,

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 2>it's all about release. But at the end of the

0:42:52.760 --> 0:42:55.680
<v Speaker 2>journey is the peace they find. I know that some

0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.359
<v Speaker 2>people have never ever stepped foot in the light they

0:42:58.400 --> 0:43:01.200
<v Speaker 2>find at the end of these journeys. And it gives

0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:04.640
<v Speaker 2>me a goose punts every time. It's so rewarding. I'm

0:43:04.719 --> 0:43:06.440
<v Speaker 2>blessed to be in the position I am today. It's

0:43:06.480 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>from hard work. I'll give it and saying all that

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:12.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it's only the beginning, just getting warmed up.

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It's hard work in learning than then running the business.

0:43:16.160 --> 0:43:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Of course well, and then doing the work on myself

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:19.640
<v Speaker 2>as well.

0:43:19.719 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, and you still use it to of course,

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:28.320
<v Speaker 1>and I with doing chigol and meditation. I use it

0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.080
<v Speaker 1>now and I say, say the people I've got in

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:34.000
<v Speaker 1>my back pocket, if my life is spinning out of control,

0:43:34.080 --> 0:43:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I know how to bring it down through meditation, chigo

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>or whatever.

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.319
<v Speaker 2>And of course regulate the nervous system. Yeah.

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 1>And when I was in the cops, when things were

0:43:41.480 --> 0:43:44.640
<v Speaker 1>happening all the time, I just step aside and do

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.160
<v Speaker 1>my thing in the same and get that get that

0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 1>balance back.

0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I get a phone call and I think, oh, here

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:52.160
<v Speaker 2>we go. It's one of them phone calls. And take

0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 2>a deep breath. I breathe through the nose, hold hold

0:43:55.480 --> 0:43:58.040
<v Speaker 2>hold out the mouth, just regulate for a second, and

0:43:58.120 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I say, how you going, how's your day been? You know,

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:01.320
<v Speaker 2>it just it just locks me in.

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, if you know, if you're going into something high stress,

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.879
<v Speaker 1>and it's a practice that a lot of people use,

0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:13.560
<v Speaker 1>he's get your breathing right for sure. Breath. So look,

0:44:14.080 --> 0:44:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I hate because I understand the stuff that you're talking about.

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 1>And I hope people we haven't lost people and going

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>what are these idiots on about?

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.719
<v Speaker 2>But knock it like they was saying, don't knock into you,

0:44:23.800 --> 0:44:24.360
<v Speaker 2>try to.

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.439
<v Speaker 1>You try well. I think it's funny how people going

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:31.160
<v Speaker 1>to yoga and meditation and all that. I had Bernie

0:44:31.200 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Matthews on the podcast years ago, and I think he

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:37.400
<v Speaker 1>spent as long in the prisons as I did in

0:44:38.320 --> 0:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the cops, longer serving prisoner of super Max here in Sydney,

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and he was talking about how he got into meditation

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and when it was first given to him because he

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was in isolation a lot of times he thought, no

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:52.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff this, I'm not going to do this. What am

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>I going to sit here and chant? He found something

0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>the works, but he got into meditation. Just getting back

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to the life that you've lived, what would you say

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.879
<v Speaker 1>to young blokes starting at young blokes and young women

0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 1>like the women are getting caught up in the crime

0:45:06.800 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>as well. What what's a message? Because I think that's

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.600
<v Speaker 1>an important thing. Someone said, live the experience that you've had.

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.600
<v Speaker 2>Show me a person that has lived a life of crime, drugs, jail,

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 2>crime and has been successful in the end. If you

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 2>dip your toes in deep enough, shit's going to go down.

0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:27.720
<v Speaker 2>You're going to lose. It's a negative environment. We create

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.680
<v Speaker 2>our own reality, and when you feed so much negativity,

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:32.800
<v Speaker 2>it's going to come back to buy it. It's the

0:45:32.920 --> 0:45:34.960
<v Speaker 2>only way it works. So they're going to lose. It's

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>a lose lose situation, you know. And even okay, let's

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:41.160
<v Speaker 2>just talk hypothetically. Okay, some people have made millions and

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>millions of dollars. What's that cost and whatever they had

0:45:44.040 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>to sacrifice for that. Maybe they didn't end up in

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 2>prison for the rest of the life, maybe they didn't

0:45:48.080 --> 0:45:49.600
<v Speaker 2>end up dead. But you know what, they can't come

0:45:49.640 --> 0:45:52.399
<v Speaker 2>back to Australia. They've had to jet the country, they've

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 2>left their family behind. Is that millions of dollars worth

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 2>that I would just say? Can you slither through the

0:45:58.120 --> 0:45:59.840
<v Speaker 2>cracks and come out the other side like I have?

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.840
<v Speaker 2>Because in the meantime, you know, some people end up

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:05.160
<v Speaker 2>in jail for the rest of their lives, they end

0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 2>up dead, they end up washed up on drugs and

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:09.320
<v Speaker 2>lose their mind and never come back. These are the

0:46:09.360 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 2>occupational hazards of that lifestyle. You know, you might have

0:46:12.640 --> 0:46:14.480
<v Speaker 2>to flee the country, or you know, your house, your

0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.439
<v Speaker 2>family's house is being shot up, or all the things.

0:46:16.480 --> 0:46:18.799
<v Speaker 2>The list goes on and on and on, and they're

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:20.879
<v Speaker 2>going to have to go through that before they learn.

0:46:22.000 --> 0:46:25.120
<v Speaker 2>The sad bit is probably yes, I wish my word

0:46:25.160 --> 0:46:26.799
<v Speaker 2>had weight with them. I wish I could look at

0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 2>them now and say get out where you still can.

0:46:29.800 --> 0:46:32.440
<v Speaker 2>But greed is so powerful, and that's what it's all

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:35.359
<v Speaker 2>driven by. It's driven by greed. And you know they're

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:37.160
<v Speaker 2>going to have to learn a lot of lives about

0:46:37.200 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 2>learning lessons and they're going to have to learn. And

0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.239
<v Speaker 2>I wish it was easy as me saying get out.

0:46:41.560 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 2>You'll be fine if you get out. And if they

0:46:43.280 --> 0:46:45.040
<v Speaker 2>if if my word does have enough weight with them

0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.839
<v Speaker 2>and they get out, well well played. Let's let's get

0:46:47.840 --> 0:46:49.919
<v Speaker 2>you on the mac, reach out, whatever it is, let's

0:46:49.960 --> 0:46:53.160
<v Speaker 2>do what I can offer. But until then, you know

0:46:53.239 --> 0:46:55.239
<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to lose. And when you when

0:46:55.280 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 2>you've hit rock bottom, when you've lost enough, maybe that's

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:00.759
<v Speaker 2>when you'll go Okay, I'm over, and then then I

0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:03.960
<v Speaker 2>can work with them. But there's a slippery slope till

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>then you know how much is your family? Are you

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 2>going to sacrifice because of the decisions you've made before.

0:47:09.200 --> 0:47:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Enough's enough. Some people don't get a second chance. That's

0:47:13.760 --> 0:47:15.680
<v Speaker 2>that's been as transparent as I can.

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:18.960
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's coming from someone that's lived the life and

0:47:19.320 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>managed to get out the other side. And yeah, I'm

0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>seeing how energized you are there. You've found the passion,

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 1>that found something, you enjoy, something that yeah, is driving you.

0:47:30.760 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what I think people have got to look forward to.

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:36.960
<v Speaker 1>I think purpose, Yeah, have a purposepose, and it's rewarding.

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I found my purpose at forty man and look what

0:47:39.040 --> 0:47:41.640
<v Speaker 1>I've done in four years. You know, like if you

0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 1>find your true purpose, like they say, if you get

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>you get paid to do something you love, you'll never

0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>work out. That's so true. That nothing's true than that.

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:54.279
<v Speaker 2>Find your purpose and make sure it's positive, you know.

0:47:54.640 --> 0:48:00.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, Gas, I've enjoyed enjoyed having having a chat

0:48:00.600 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 3>with you and all the boys that steered me towards

0:48:03.680 --> 0:48:05.800
<v Speaker 3>you and all spoken very highly of you and the

0:48:06.000 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 3>people I respect.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Good luck with your future and what you're doing, and

0:48:10.280 --> 0:48:12.480
<v Speaker 1>thanks for being so open and honest.

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much, guys. Cheers mate,