WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 9 December 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:00.680 Lately. 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.479 General, welcome to the late Babe. 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:08.560 Well, good evening and thanks for joining us. 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:11.600 I'm James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Joe Hildebrand coming 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:16.360 up tonight. Breakdancer Raygun claims legal ownership of the Kangaroo 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.520 Hop to stop a musical lampooning her Olympic performance from 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:21.160 going ahead. 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:23.639 We'll get to all of that a little later. 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:26.800 Plus, when we look at tomorrow's papers, Peter Dutton has 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.360 decided how many flags he will stand in front of 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:30.800 when giving press conferences. 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.800 I think you'll be impressed. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.200 Plus The Australian's got a story tomorrow saying that one 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:40.000 in three Australian jobs could be lost to a I 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:42.760 in the next decade. So we'll unpack all of that 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.080 when we look at tomorrow's papers. But first, obviously you 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.280 know the national anthem. We are one and free, but 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:54.680 increasingly we're divided and out of pocket. I suspect most 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.600 Australians have never heard of an Indigenous Protection area. It's 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:01.600 a piece of once public land that the government has 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.640 given over to Indigenous people to manage. There are currently 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:10.840 eighty seven Indigenous protected areas covering ninety million hectares of 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:15.440 land across Australia. One of those Indigenous protected areas is 0:01:15.480 --> 0:01:19.679 the picturesque Middle Beach near Arnham Land in the Northern Territory. 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:23.200 Now it came to our notice when someone posted online 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:26.640 a photograph of the sign that beach goers sea when 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.319 they arrive for a bit of sun baking and a 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:30.240 dip in the blue water. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:31.400 There have a look at this. 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:34.920 Here's the sign that confronts OSSI's when they arrive at 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:39.080 this beach. It says Indigenous Protected Area. You are entering 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:44.039 a developmental recreational area on private lands. A dim RU 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.000 visitor access permit. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:48.280 Is required to enter. 0:01:48.520 --> 0:01:50.720 Now to get a permit, you have to go to 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:54.960 the local Aboriginal Corporation website where they offer their fellow 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.440 Australians a permit to go to the beach, but for 0:01:58.600 --> 0:01:59.240 a price. 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.760 Here's what's going to cost. 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:03.800 You to go to a once public beach in the 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.400 Northern Territory. If you want to go as a family, 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:08.840 it's two hundred and seven dollars for the year. As 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:11.720 an individual one hundred and eight dollars for the year. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.839 The Aboriginal Corporation will charge you eighty nine bucks for 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:18.840 a one month visitor pass, fifty seven dollars for two weeks, 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:22.800 or thirty nine dollars if you just fancy three days 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:23.800 on the beach. 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:27.760 So here's how this works. This is once public land. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:32.400 It's given to an indigenous organization along with public money 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:35.600 so they can turn it into a private piece of 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.440 land that then they charge the public even more money 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:43.640 to access a place that they used to access for free. 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:45.680 Joe, make it make sense. 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.400 Well, I'm not entirely sure what is going on here, 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:50.959 but arnam Land has always been a restricted area. Arnham 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:53.160 Land has always been a place where you couldn't go 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:56.600 unless you've got prior approval from the traditional owners. And 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.520 I've spent a lot of time in Kakadoo, which it 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.400 is adjacent to. There is a very famous sort of 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:03.600 bit of river that East Alligator River, and if you've 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:05.640 got a permit, you drive back and forth over the 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.680 causeway and if you don't, the CROs eat you. And 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:11.880 so so I imagine it is just part of this. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.120 But I just have to read this part of what 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.839 the woman said about her indignation about not being able. 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:20.480 The woman who posted this is the woman. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.600 Who made the postal says, looks like a great place 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:27.920 to swim, let's go. I wouldn't do that if I 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:32.520 were you. This is crocodile infested water, including the seas, 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:36.040 including the base. So there is absolutely no way that 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:39.000 you should go swimming in any of these beaches ever, 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.360 and not unless you throw a dog in there first, 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.720 and that is also animal cruelty. 0:03:44.440 --> 0:03:45.840 But if that's the issue, she just. 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.680 Doesn't find saying crocodiles don't enter the water. But that's 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:49.720 not really the point, you know. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:51.440 Maybe that's what they tell you when you go and 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:53.480 get your permits. So I don't know if this is 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.320 somewhere where people recently have been able to go swimming 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.320 before and then so suddenly they rock up and it's 0:03:59.320 --> 0:04:01.280 fenced off, but it's in If it's in Arnenland, I 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.480 think that would always be the case. And anyone who 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:06.600 is planning to swim in a beach on the Northern 0:04:06.680 --> 0:04:09.720 Territory has rocks in their head and clearly doesn't know 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:13.400 anything about how the joint actually works or who actually 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:19.240 is in charge. That's right. Maybe they say, look, here's 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:21.480 except once they give you the receipt and take the 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.240 two hundred bucks and by the way. You know you 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:24.320 can't go swimming. 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:27.560 Just take a few photos and leave, please. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.680 But this was quite an education for me, as I'm 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:30.720 sure it will be for you. 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:35.800 Because there's three different organizations that give out permits over 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.880 various areas of the Northern Territory. So it's not these 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.559 guys only who are making bank. There's also the Northern 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:48.840 Land Council and the a Nindilia Wak Wide Land Council. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.280 So these are different kinds of permits for different kinds 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.159 of places. Some of them pertain to the very roads 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:57.600 you might need to travel on in order. 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.400 To get where you're going. 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:02.279 So it may be that if you're visiting the Northern 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.440 Territory you may need one, two, or even three different 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.159 kinds of permits. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.360 I did not know this. 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:13.760 I knew that we had native land title for over 0:05:14.000 --> 0:05:17.320 forty percent of our land mass here in Australia. 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:18.679 That's enough to blow your mind. 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:21.920 But the fact that in the Northern Territory they have 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:28.440 these exclusive areas where it's lived, they cannot enter unless 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:29.840 you have these permits. 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:30.920 And the fines are extortionate. 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.600 There are over ten thousand dollars if in fact you 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.760 are found to be on one of these plots without 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.240 carrying a permit, which totally would have. 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.360 Been plenty of places at Australia you're not allowed to 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.880 enter without a permit or without paying some money. I 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:45.040 mean Evie Cinema is one of them. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.960 With the point if the federal government is allocated is. 0:05:48.000 --> 0:05:49.039 Not a good ill? 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:51.799 Not all, not all. 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:55.160 Land is publicly accessible to everybody paying for us. Well, 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.320 here you're paying for that accessing your base. 0:05:57.480 --> 0:05:59.800 This is public land that the public are now being 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.880 charged to access because it's been given into the trust 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.640 of indigenous groups. And it's not just in the Northern Territory, 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:08.359 it's right around the country. And the federal government has 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:11.160 allocated a couple of one hundred million dollars again of 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.120 public money to set up more of these indigenous protected areas. 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:16.280 Is this a good thing or. 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:18.760 Is this something that we're meant to be warmer to 0:06:18.880 --> 0:06:20.839 be able to access our beaches for free. 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:23.839 And it was just last week we were talking about 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.159 the relevant minister in Victoria doing a massive bat track 0:06:27.640 --> 0:06:31.039 really disponing those people who are in charge of the 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.760 mountain climbing areas the Grampians and him saying, oh well 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.640 this has gone so badly. I'm backing off from this 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:41.359 all together. Had the government been in Chipe, this would 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:44.320 never have happened. And we all know any minister in 0:06:44.360 --> 0:06:47.960 the Jacina Allen government would one hundred percent be behind 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:51.360 such a move that was locking people out of these 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:57.040 world renowned mountain climbing skates in Victoria. But it was 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:00.839 going very badly, so the government wanted to disst themselves 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:02.880 from it. We all know had it gone well, they 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:03.480 would have been. 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:04.640 The first to take credit. 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.200 It turns out we had a road bureaucrat running wild 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:08.520 without us noticing. 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.960 That. I was making headlines for a long time. So 0:07:13.320 --> 0:07:17.320 we see this happening whereby as long as there's enough 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:21.120 of an outcry, we see something being done about it. 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:23.080 Now it's highly unlikely there's going to be a big 0:07:23.200 --> 0:07:26.239 enough outcry. We reguarding a beach in the Northern Territory, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.600 which I dare say not many people are accessing, and 0:07:29.720 --> 0:07:32.600 indeed it does speak to the fact that maybe that's 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.560 part of the point as well. They don't want to 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:38.360 be interrupted. They don't want hundreds of tourists, thousands of 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:42.680 tourists coming their way here in year route they went Astradian, 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:45.560 they wanted to give it pristine etcetera and so on. 0:07:45.720 --> 0:07:48.160 Well, they would see, obviously, I. 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.640 Would argue by their worldview, they would see Australians as tourists. 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:53.480 This is private land. 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:54.480 Isn't that the point? 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:55.880 As indigenous? 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:58.240 As indigenous people, if you were born in this country, 0:07:58.400 --> 0:07:59.840 you're not indigenous to any other. 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:03.680 Argument from me, but this is the narrative that government 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:07.040 has backed, and not just that but given it policy. 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:09.640 Starting to be a change legal. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.480 We saw in North Queensland in the Berdican where some 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.720 indigenous elders, even when it comes to welcome to country, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:16.640 are saying, look, we are not going to persist with 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:19.800 this because it's just become an embarrassment for everybody. His 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:23.120 Indigenous elder from the Burdikan, Randall Ross. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:25.880 The elders said no, enough is enough. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.040 We have to stop, you know, because it is well 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:31.360 and truly being abused. 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:32.920 And this is where people do. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:39.839 Not understand that by mistreating and abusing culture, there's cultural 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:43.960 ramifications itself. I've got to give credit to Randall Ross 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:46.600 I reckon he's read the room after the referendum last 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:48.640 year and he knows which way the wind is blowing, 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:51.640 as does Peter Dutton and will get to it in 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.400 the papers a little later. He's made a decision about 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:58.560 the indigenous flag and how he will regard that, and 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.080 so there's a definite shift come in the culture, and 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:03.160 so it's interesting to see the change. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.320 The thing is what he's talking about there is I 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:07.800 guess these kind of you know, woke corporates or people 0:09:07.800 --> 0:09:09.400 who are trying to be so right on, who are 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.319 overwhelmingly as white as the driven snow, and they're basically 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.080 so obsessed with the tokenism of having a welcome to 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:19.559 country that they're basically doing it wrong. So what he's 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.360 talking about is saying that you've got so many people 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.600 who are having so many welcomes to country at so 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:27.640 many different events and getting often the wrong people to 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.719 do it, people who aren't actually traditional owners, aren't the 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:33.719 acknowledged elders of the area, that they're just completely trashing it. 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:35.679 And so again you get to this thing where if 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:40.160 you have this endless kind of tsunami of virtue signaling, 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.240 which is what we saw and sadly part of what 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:46.360 sunk the voice, you actually devalue the importance of it 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.000 so you can have, for example, you know, like in 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.080 anamine is incredibly important, sight, incredibly important Aboriginal community. But 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.600 you get but you have these sort of ridiculous people 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:58.360 wanting to sort of cue up to show how right 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:00.840 or they are and how much they care about Aboriginal culture, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:04.400 and they're actually killing and devaluing Aboriginal culture so much 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.480 and clearly don't understand it because they're getting the wrong 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:08.760 people to do it. That this guy who's the right 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.120 person says, well, we're just not going to have it 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:15.480 anymore because you've just it's like sort of indigenous which 0:10:15.600 --> 0:10:17.240 one's hat restaurant and respect. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:20.000 For Indigenous people will not be diminished one jot by 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:20.520 not having No. 0:10:20.760 --> 0:10:23.559 That's that's right. I mean again I keep to the point, 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:26.079 Like you know, I remember and again Big w is 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:27.280 one of my favorite shops. I'm going to go to 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:29.120 the toy sale. They got some amazing bargains and I'm 0:10:29.120 --> 0:10:31.400 going to hit that like it' h that like a 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:35.480 buffet for your plug. But but you know, I would 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.560 go there sort of hanging out for the show or whatever, 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:41.079 and you'd hear on repeat a recorded message saying we 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:43.760 would like to acknowledge Indigenous and having in the country. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.840 It's like I'm in Macquarie Park shopping center right and 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:51.400 listening to a recording saying how much they care? Like 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.360 that is the most ridiculous, Like it'd be like saying 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:56.600 if someone's relative died and you just sent them an 0:10:56.600 --> 0:10:58.920 automated message, I am so sorry to hear of the 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:02.080 loss of your insert name here. I mean, it just 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.960 blew my mind. And this was happening throughout the Voice campaign, 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.840 and this was when I planes doing it, when they 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.640 would land, and you just you could just see the 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.439 look on people and everyone's just like, no one's saying anything, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.679 and you can actually see their thoughts. They're just going, 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:17.120 I am so sick of this year. 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.120 Yeah, there's obviously a change coming, that's for sure. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:20.720 Well. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.240 International news yesterday of course focused on the Middle East 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:29.120 again with the fall of the dictator of Syria Assad. 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:33.679 People celebrating in Sydney and Canterbury, Bankstown and in Rouse 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:37.960 Hill people went out onto the streets waving flags, chanting 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:43.720 and caught on video is numbers of people chanting? Will 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:46.200 show you the footage? Why don't we show you the footage? 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:51.720 Definitely explain what they're chanting. Here's what they were doing. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:11:59.520 Now, bear in mind. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.280 This comes just hours really after the synagogue in Melbourne 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:05.959 was fire bombed in an anti Semitic attack, and we're 0:12:06.000 --> 0:12:08.720 all like, g anti Semitism has to be dealt with. 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:10.920 And now immediately in the. 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.160 Wake of that, we've got lots of people out on 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.320 the street in Sydney chanting that Muhammad is going to 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.880 come after the Jews. This refers to a battle that 0:12:19.960 --> 0:12:22.760 Muhammad waged against the Jews in about I think it 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.720 was the seventh century and they slaughtered a whole bunch 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.120 of Jews. And now, in response to the Syrian dictator 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:33.080 being overthrown, they're chanting in the streets of Sydney that 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:37.600 Muhammad's going to come after the Jews. Jewish people are 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.600 rightly incredibly upset about this. The slogan that they're chanting 0:12:41.640 --> 0:12:45.400 was first popularized in the nineteen eighties by Ahmed Yasan, 0:12:45.559 --> 0:12:49.840 the founder of Hamas. It's been invoked in numerous terror attacks. 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:51.760 In fact, you remember am Rosi, who was one of 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.600 the Balley bombers when he was sentenced to death and 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:57.640 if he was responsible for the death of eighty eight Australians, 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:03.440 he chanted that exact Slowgan during his sentencing the founder 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:06.400 of al Qaeda, wrote a book in two thousand and 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.320 nine with that slogan as the title. In Europe, you 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:13.640 can face jail for chanting that slogan. In twenty seventeen, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.480 someone in Belgium was charged with incitement because of that slogan, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.640 and in twenty twenty one a couple of guys in London. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:25.480 So the police in New South Wales, if they're serious 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.760 about doing anything about anti Semitism, should be straight onto 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:31.480 this now. Karen Webb, the police commissioner said, said, wow, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:34.040 we've got to get the translation and we've got to 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:38.560 make sure its incitement before we take action. Well, I 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.520 hope they'll do something immediately tomorrow because I saw this 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.760 video this afternoon. Now I can't translate it, I don't 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:46.480 know what it is. So I walked across to my 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.559 local barber where they're all Iraqis and there are about 0:13:49.600 --> 0:13:51.600 four of them in there. They're all nice guys. I said, hey, 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:53.000 can I play you something and can you tell me 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.200 if you understand this? And they immediately said it's a 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:00.000 chant calling for violence against Jews. Whoever's doing that, they're terrorists. 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:03.120 They should be arrested. That was before they knew any context. 0:14:03.200 --> 0:14:05.800 They didn't see the video. I just played them the audio. 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.880 They immediately knew. If the police is serious about clamping 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:11.880 down on anti Semitism, if they're going to stop the 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:14.080 talk and actually do things, they have to do something 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:15.079 about this immediately. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:18.120 And we are told that this is under investigation, as 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:20.520 it should be, although how are you going to track 0:14:20.560 --> 0:14:23.720 down that many people? It's much like what we saw 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.000 the scenes on the steps. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.000 We've got photographs of that, they've got video evidence, indeed, but. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:30.520 They had video evidence of that, and yet we still 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:33.440 don't know that any single person on the steps of 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.400 the opera house got a knock on the door from 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:39.240 the police either so so far or we've seen is words, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:41.480 which is very much in line with what we seem 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:44.200 to see under the men's government with regards to these 0:14:44.320 --> 0:14:48.120 kinds of outbursts by big crowds in New South Wales 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.120 when it comes to these acts of anti Semitism. But 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:54.560 don't you love the cultural enrichment. Don't you love the 0:14:54.560 --> 0:14:58.520 cultural enrichment, the cultural diversity. We're told diversity is our 0:14:58.600 --> 0:15:03.000 strength your government, and ladies and gentlemen have absolutely no 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:07.280 problem importing hundreds of thousands of people who do not 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:12.320 love the West and by extension hate israelis as well 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:16.640 as of course the Jewish people, not just over in Israel, 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.280 but here in Australia. 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:24.440 Every time hundreds of thousands, Yes it is this over billion, 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:31.080 all of those, but I come hundreds of thousands. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.080 So how many we know exactly. 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.880 What these cultures stand for? Okay? 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:39.000 And we're now seeing time and time again large crowds 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.200 displaying this kind of thing. 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:45.320 That was not thousands of people. And again if it was, 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.320 if it was really hundreds of thousands, there would be 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.120 many more incidents in this and much bigger. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.200 Let's be more specifically, test there's at least ten more 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:56.040 things crowds ideas. 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:58.240 Don't we just call it for what it is, because 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:00.160 I think you've got it slightly back to front. It's 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:04.360 not they hate the West and by extension Israel. Islam 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:09.680 is antagonistic, aggressive towards Jews and by extension the rest 0:16:09.720 --> 0:16:10.240 of the West. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:11.320 That is the issue. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.440 Certainly, that is not a bug in Islam. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:15.200 It's a feature. 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:18.280 Certainly, there proves that, certainly. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:20.600 Pretty clear. 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:27.040 I'm talking about certainly among among its extremists and fundamentalists. 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:29.760 That is absolutely true. But among the vast majority of 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:31.360 Muslims that is not true. 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.800 Yes, and there is no difference if you. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.280 Read them, if you read the Kara, there's no where, 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.600 no word, there's no way to tell the difference between 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.960 a homicidal maniac Christian and a non homicidal maniac Christian. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.760 If you take the literal words of the Kuran, obviously 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:49.760 they're pretty disturbing. There are some disturbing words in the 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.880 Bible as well, particularly in the Old Testament. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:58.080 Very different, very The Bible is telling historical stories of 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:00.920 things that happened. The Koran is not telling historical stories. 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.119 It's just giving this is the word of God. It's 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:05.920 very different. The context is very different. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:08.040 Job Jesus said. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:16.760 His was a war lord. 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:19.840 They're totally different. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.080 Okay, well, now do the talmud, Now do the talent 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.040 and just serving passages in the talmot. Why why are 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:31.560 you just singling out the Christian Let's comes the same 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:32.399 as the Jewish text. 0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:34.240 That's the let's come back to the main point. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:38.920 The boss, Mike Burgess, the boss of ASO, Mike Burgess 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:42.000 today he said that when talking about the fire bombing 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.439 in Victoria, he said, we need to watch our words 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.080 very carefully, and he was talking about people just being 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:51.800 measured in the way they talk about what's happened in Victoria. Well, 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.240 if it's true that we have to watch our words 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.160 carefully because they inflame tensions and could lead to violence, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.000 that's what Mike Burgess said. Well, then the words chance 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:04.240 on the streets in Sydney yesterday about Jewish people need 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:07.240 to be investigated thoroughly and action needs to be taken 0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.240 if they're serious. And if they do nothing about this, 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:11.760 then it's just more waffle. Why would you ever believe 0:18:11.800 --> 0:18:13.879 their assurances that they're taking. 0:18:13.640 --> 0:18:16.800 It's only going to get worse as the war in 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.480 the Middle East, it continues to become a larger. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:23.879 Reachon get by tackling the extremists, arresting the extremists, charging 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:27.000 the extremists, not a whole culture people. 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:29.400 I never said that, Joe. 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:34.520 People here, yes, because they come from those cultures. And 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.080 like I explained, I've been very clear, you're being disingenuous. 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:40.760 There is no way to tell the difference on an 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:44.920 application form. Okay, So the problem is we are just. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:47.679 We just have a ban on a morning the Jews 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:50.120 about on. 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:54.159 About the impot people who share our values period. 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.360 I'll tell you what you would think in a terrorist attack, 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.879 and this has been designated a terrorist attack, that the 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:00.840 Prime Minister. 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.040 Would be there immediately. 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.120 I mean, it's a terrorist attack, and it was declared 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:08.480 a terrorist attack officially today. But Chris Min's, the new 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.080 South Wales Premier, said I think on Friday that this 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.360 was a terror attack. So did many others. Anthony ALBANIZI. 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.440 Of course he was in Perth and well a terror 0:19:18.480 --> 0:19:21.560 attack had taken place Friday morning. He had a game 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:26.280 of tennis to play on Saturday afternoon. He had drinks 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.720 with labor donors on Friday night, and he's planning on 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:34.320 visiting the synagogue on Tuesday. Never mind, pretty much everybody 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:36.520 else has been there the PM. 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:38.480 He'll turn up when he's good and ready. 0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:40.959 He was asked why it took him so long to 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:44.040 make a decision to visit the site of the terror attack. 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:48.200 He explained that he was pretty busy tennis included. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:52.080 I wasn't playing tennis on the Saturday morning. Yeah, that 0:19:52.200 --> 0:19:52.560 is wrong. 0:19:52.640 --> 0:19:59.000 I had I had six appointments on Saturday after they 0:19:59.040 --> 0:19:59.879 had concluded. 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.320 In the afternoon, I did some exercise. 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.400 I just got to point out when the journalist said, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.280