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Speaker 1: Hi, listeners, friends, fans of this podcast. How are you? Yes,

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Speaker 1: you are listening to Healthy Ish, the daily podcast from

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Speaker 1: Body and Soul. I am your host of Felicity Harley.

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Speaker 1: Yoga teacher and author Kirsten Moore joins me today now.

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Speaker 1: She was diagnosed with a spinal tumor at twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and she shares her experience with managing chronic pain and

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Speaker 1: eventually her addiction to opioids. A word of warning, we

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Speaker 1: deal with some heavy topics in this chat. If you

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Speaker 1: want to hear Kirsten's full story, it's pretty gritty, it's epic.

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Speaker 1: She has healed, she's managing well. Today you can listen

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Speaker 1: into Extra Healthy ISSU, where we talk all about the above.

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Speaker 1: You can grab that wherever you get your podcasts. Kirstin,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us on the podcast today. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing good? Thank you? You've had good having me good?

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Speaker 1: You just come off teaching a yoga class. Yes, very zen,

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Speaker 1: good to hear well. I want to talk to you

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Speaker 1: today about addiction to prescription medication. It's not something we've

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Speaker 1: actually talked about on the podcast, but I think it's

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Speaker 1: very real. Around three point four million Aussies of have

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Speaker 1: chronic long term pain and more than half of women,

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Speaker 1: which I think is really important to point out, not

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Speaker 1: saying they're all addicted, but addiction to opioids is rising.

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Speaker 1: Tell us about your experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when you say that, you know, I'm not surprised, unfortunately.

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Speaker 2: I think so many people struggle with chronic pain anyway,

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Speaker 2: and women. I think I think the stats are that

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Speaker 2: women experience chronic pain more than men, and like when

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Speaker 2: they go to doctors, I think it's kind of used

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Speaker 2: as like an easy fix in some ways. You know,

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Speaker 2: not not on purpose, but doctors only have less than

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes with a patient most of the time, and

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Speaker 2: so you sort of rushed through. And if a patient

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Speaker 2: is sitting in front of you in pain, asking for

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Speaker 2: kind of.

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Speaker 1: The easy solution.

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Speaker 2: It's the easy solution. It's a band aid solution, unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: but it is. It is an easier solution for them

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Speaker 2: to do something on the spot, and I guess it

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Speaker 2: just spirals from there, at least it did in my case.

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Speaker 1: What's it a pain? Were you experiencing?

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Speaker 2: So I had a spinal tumor. I was diagnosed with

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Speaker 2: the tumor in my spine at twenty one, and because

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Speaker 2: long time it just felt like that deep strain, like

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Speaker 2: So it stayed for like five months, six months. We

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Speaker 2: just this aching pain. I remember being covered in ice packs.

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Speaker 2: I was living at home at the time, and Mum

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Speaker 2: mean even at that time, I was having preting prescribed

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Speaker 1: And what happened with your tumor tell us a bit

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Speaker 2: So I ended up being on kind of an experimental

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Speaker 2: have a surgery, and that's sort of when things escalated.

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Speaker 2: I suppose with the addiction, my pain became very extreme. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: You're only twenty one, I mean, wow, Yeah, it was tough.

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Speaker 2: It was tough, and I like at the time, you know,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was a lot of pain meds at

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Speaker 2: My neck will be really sore, I'll have really bad headaches,

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Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. When did you actually realize

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Speaker 1: So how did you? I suppose the simple words I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wean yourself off?

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Speaker 2: Look, I was told that, and I even at twenty one,

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Speaker 2: I just kind of had this sense about myself that

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Speaker 2: It's so hard because I think my family knew that

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Speaker 2: something was wrong for a long time, and a lot

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Speaker 2: it all up to grief, you know, like grief looks

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Speaker 2: it would not have gone well, no, so it really

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Speaker 2: And it was the same when I had my anorexia

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Speaker 1: Out asking for help. That's really the key, there, isn't it. Kirstin,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on Healthy Ish.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, if you want to hear more from Kirstin, you

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