1 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart speaker 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,520 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode. Just say play 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: the news from the Australian. From the Australian, here's what's 4 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 1: on the Front. I'm Claire Harvey. It's Tuesday, October eighth, 5 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 1: another day, another dramatic shift in language from the Federal 6 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: government on Israel. Health Minister Mark Butler has revealed his 7 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Jewish heritage and declared only Jews have suffered the brunt 8 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: of social division since the October seven, twenty twenty three 9 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Hamas attack on Israel. That story and all the fallout 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: is live right now at the Australian dot com Au. Today, 11 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: The Australian's national editor, debnih Shanahan says Anthony Albanezi's shifting 12 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: to a war footing. He's trying to fix his stance 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: on Israel and turn the heat on the Greens as 14 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: the next federal election approaches at speed. That's today's story. 15 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: This will changed housing in Australia. It will benefit so 16 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: many Australians. 17 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: I want kids to have a childhood. 18 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 4: That's why we'll introduce legislation this year for a minimum 19 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 4: age for social media. 20 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: Together we can get this done. 21 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 1: You're paid super on your sick leave, you paid super 22 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: on your annual leave, and there is no reason why 23 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be on paid parental leave too. 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 2: It shows why it's really important to have a tough 25 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: environmental regulator, and it's one of the reasons that we're 26 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 2: establishing a National Environment Protection Agency. 27 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: And tomorrow, together we begin the work of building a 28 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: better future. 29 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: He's one of the few people who has led a 30 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 4: party from opposition into government. A handful of leaders have 31 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 4: actually done that, so it is a great achievement for 32 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 4: Antony Alberanzi. 33 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's National editor. 34 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 4: Time has basically run out for the Albanesi government. The 35 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 4: agenda that they set out. They've achieved a fair bit 36 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 4: of their own aims, but a lot of that actually 37 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 4: carries with it baggage from other sections of the community. 38 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: An election must be held by late May. That's more 39 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: than six months away, but when you start looking at 40 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: the logistics, it's not that long at all. Election campaigns 41 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: have to run for at least thirty three days from 42 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: when the writs are issued that is when the starting 43 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: gun is fired to voting day, so that means the 44 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 1: PAM would have to call a May election in late 45 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,920 Speaker 1: March or April, and that means time is running out 46 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: to get things done in Parliament. 47 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 4: Look, I think that from what we've seen in the 48 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 4: lead up to this final October sitting and then the 49 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 4: final weeks in November is the government realizes it's not 50 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 4: going to get much past the Greens and Coalition in 51 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: the Senate. 52 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: Dennis, the government's biggest promise that most Australians would remember 53 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: was housing. It got one big piece through Parliament, the 54 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: Housing Australia Future Fund, but now it's struggling to get 55 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 1: support for two big policies, a tax incentive for landlords 56 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: called build to Rent and an equity sharing program called 57 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,119 Speaker 1: help to Buy. That's where the government kicks in part 58 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: of the purchase price and owns a stake in the property. 59 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: What's going on with those bits of the legislation. 60 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 3: They're not going to get a gender through. 61 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 4: So what they're doing is saying, right, we are now 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: going to put it up again and say to the Greens, 63 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 4: we are going to embarrass you from time to time 64 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 4: as every time you vote against this, we are going 65 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 4: to tell the people you are against a housing bill 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: which will give more housing to people on lower incomes. 67 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: It's a political stage where at now I think we've 68 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 4: passed the legislative stage. 69 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: Anthony Albanez, he prides himself on being a parliamentary tactician. 70 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: Housing is something that the Greens say they want to 71 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: fix for Australians. So what exactly has gone wrong? Why 72 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: haven't they been able to bring the Greens with them? 73 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 4: Well, the Greens have wanted a whole series of add ons, 74 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 4: particularly rent control. 75 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: The government can't wear rent control. They flirted with. 76 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: Doing away with negative gears during capital gains tax, and 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: these are the things the Greens want and the Greens 78 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 4: can say, look, Labor is just the same as the 79 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 4: coalition and fight in these Green held and labor seats 80 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 4: that the Green vote will grow as a result of that. 81 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 4: Out in the wider electorate, it'll work against the Greens, 82 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: but it's only in these key seats. So I think 83 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: what we'll see is the Greens just say we're going 84 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 4: to stick with this. Let labour try and embarrass us. 85 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 4: Wheell trial embarrass labor in the seats where it counts. 86 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: This coming Monday, October fourteen, it'll be a year since 87 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: the Voice referendum. 88 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 5: This is a very sad moment in the country's history. 89 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: I think it will be at least two generations before 90 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 5: Australians are capable of putting their colonial hatreds behind them 91 00:05:57,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 5: and acknowledging that we exist. 92 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: Dennis, could we say that the debate was worth having? 93 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: This is maybe what Anthony Albanize might say that he 94 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: put the question that we ventilated the issues, we had 95 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: a big national conversation about it and we got to 96 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: a resolution. Is that how you would say it? Or 97 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: was it actually a complete disaster? 98 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 4: My view is it was a complete disaster, particularly from 99 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: Anthey Albanese's view. It was the first promise he made 100 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 4: on election night and he did it in such a 101 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 4: way that it never had a chance of getting off 102 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 4: the ground. The way the government handled the Indigenous Voice 103 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 4: to Parliament referendum was actually a disgrace. They did not 104 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 4: try and convince people, they didn't try to bring people 105 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 4: with them. There was no constitutional convention that there was 106 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 4: no referendum convention. 107 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:47,239 Speaker 3: There was no real debate. 108 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: It was just telling people what they should do and 109 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 4: if they didn't vote, they were racists. Now, I think 110 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 4: that this was a failure obviously because it didn't get up, 111 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 4: but it was also a bigger failure for Labor because 112 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 4: it trained people to vote against something that Labour supported. 113 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 4: Now that's a very dangerous element for the government going 114 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 4: into the election. 115 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: That big sweeping statement on election night from Anthony Albanez. 116 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: He said that he would implement the ulary Statement from 117 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: the Heart in full. Now, of course that would include 118 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: a Macarata commission, a truth telling process and progress towards 119 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: a treaty with Indigenous people. Do you see either of 120 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: those being part of the election agenda next time? Or 121 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: is it We're not going to hear about this anymore? 122 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 3: I think it's gone. 123 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 4: It's has gone as far as Linda Bernie's gone back burner. 124 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: Forget about it. We're not going to talk about it. 125 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 4: He's already ruled out any possibility of any consideration of 126 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 4: a Republican referendum. He has learnt his lesson about referendums. 127 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: Coming up. Why is the government changing its tune on 128 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: Israel now? As Parliament since this week, all the action 129 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: will be live at the Australian dot com dot au, 130 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: complete with analysis from our experts like Dennis To put 131 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: it all in context. Join us at the Australian dot 132 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: Com dot you It's a year now, Dennis, that we've 133 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: been living in the post October seven world. That is 134 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,120 Speaker 1: a new conflict in the Middle East, a new generation 135 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: learning what it's like to see that part of the 136 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: world torn apart. How have you seen the government's messaging 137 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: evolve over this year? 138 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 4: It was appalling to begin with, it only got worse 139 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 4: and we're seeing signs now that they may have realized 140 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 4: that they've actually failed on a whole group of principles, 141 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: which is hurting their credibility in the public. More generally, 142 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: this is about more than just Israel or Gaza or 143 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 4: Lebanon or Hesbala or Iran. It has raised the element 144 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 4: of anti Semitism in society and we have seen real division. 145 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 4: We are seeing a split in the social fabric. The 146 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 4: government is being held responsible for this well, and beyond 147 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 4: the foreign affairs area, what we are seeing is the 148 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 4: need for reality to take hold in the labor government. 149 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 4: So I think we'll see a big change. 150 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 5: Yeah. 151 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: So in the past two days we've seen Richard Miles 152 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: say that Israel does have a right to respond, and 153 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: then we've seen health Minister Mark Butler give a very 154 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: personal and quite impassioned speech about his own family heritage 155 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: and to say that it's only Jewish Australians who have 156 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: suffered the extreme effects of antisemitism in the past year. 157 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 1: Do you think that that means that they're less worried 158 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: than they were a few months ago about the impact 159 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: that kind of language might have in seats in Western Sydney, 160 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: for example, where there are a lot of Muslim Australians 161 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: who care about this issue. 162 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: The polling on the protests has demonstrated a much wider 163 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 4: opposition and discontent with the government's position on Israel, not 164 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: because of the foreign policy ins and outs of right 165 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 4: to respond, the right to defend, or where you can 166 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 4: do it, or which rivit you can stop at. It's 167 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 4: about how it's affected Australian society. And what Mark Butler 168 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 4: is saying is what people have been saying for months. 169 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 4: Of course, it is not about having an equivalence between 170 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 4: Islamophobia and anti Semitism. So what Mark Butler has done 171 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 4: is actually mouthed what people in the public have been 172 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 4: telling the government for months, and that is this is 173 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 4: window dressing. And Mark Butler has called that out, and 174 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: from my understanding this is a wider view within the 175 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 4: government that it is not Muslims who are suffering in 176 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 4: the large, it is anti Semitism which is the problem, 177 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,960 Speaker 4: and we must stand against that. This is a big shift. 178 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 4: They can't deny it. And the question remains is the 179 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 4: policy that Penny Wong put out which so upset the 180 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: Israelis that there should be an idea that a set 181 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 4: timetable be applied to the formation of a Palestinian state, 182 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: with or without the cooperation that is Israel. Is that 183 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 4: still policy, That's the policy question that has to be addressed. 184 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: What senior ministers are telling me is that at least 185 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 4: it's better late than never. But this is so much 186 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: of the problem of the Albanese government that it takes 187 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 4: them a year, literally a year, to come to a 188 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 4: conclusion which has been obvious. They react eventually when they're 189 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,240 Speaker 4: pushed to a reaction, but it's too slow and it's 190 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 4: not good enough. Yes, it might help them now in 191 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 4: the next five months towards the election, but boy, it 192 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: was hard work getting them there. 193 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: Dennis Shanahan is The Australian's National editor. All the fun 194 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 1: of federal politics is live twenty four seven at the 195 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot Au. Join our subscribers to make 196 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: sure you're always the first to know