Speaker 1: Hello, Welcome to Dawley Telegraph Funeral podcast doc Brent Reid
Speaker 1: johned By for ten two Pam Wyley, it's Origin week.
Speaker 1: We're all pumped. You've been up there. You spent a
Speaker 1: bit of time with the Blues, didn't you. That was
Speaker 1: a up there. Apart from cold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was very cold.
Speaker 3: That was the running theme amongst everybody there.
Speaker 2: It was good. It was good. I felt like they.
Speaker 3: He can be a bit tense.
Speaker 2: He was.
Speaker 3: He was fine to deal with.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: The players were very buoyed. They looked confident, They seemed happy.
Speaker 3: There was definitely like I don't know if you I
Speaker 3: would agree with this because you've covered a lot of
Speaker 3: camps as well. It felt different. The vibe around the
Speaker 3: players felt different. They didn't feel I as a journo,
Speaker 3: which has happened in the past because.
Speaker 2: Of how bad it.
Speaker 3: You know, recent history for the Blues has been in
Speaker 3: Origin you feel like the outsider, like the bad guy,
Speaker 3: where he didn't necessarily get that feeling in camp this
Speaker 3: time around. So, but I think that has a lot
Speaker 3: to do with In the past, I felt like players
Speaker 3: were just going through the motions coming into Origin camp,
Speaker 3: whereas I think this group of guys actually are enjoying
Speaker 3: being there.
Speaker 1: You get a field for all when you weren't up.
Speaker 2: There, No, I wasn't No, but have been around some
Speaker 2: media sessions and stuff like that. I think that they
Speaker 2: all seem pretty confident. They seem like they're really tired
Speaker 2: kind of group. I'm excited. I think you should, you know,
Speaker 2: watch out land in Queensland now they didn't yesterday yesterday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they'll get the usual greeting up there. They'll get
Speaker 1: smashed past Queenslanders and sure, knowing mad she'll circle of
Speaker 1: wagons and fire them up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you going up?
Speaker 1: I'm going to have Tuesday, right, Yeah, Tuesday.
Speaker 2: So what's your travel erin over the next week?
Speaker 1: Up there? Tuesday? Back Thursday, Harris Monday.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Much better trip if the series fools the right way. Hey,
Speaker 1: as a new Soul Wells person, obviously they got a
Speaker 1: really poor record up there. I think there was six
Speaker 1: of their past seven at sun Corpse Stad even think
Speaker 1: it's like eleven of the past thirteen and I've lost
Speaker 1: and generally that grounds we call it the graveyard right
Speaker 1: in the cauldroom because of the atmosphere and it's it's
Speaker 1: going to it's obviously a sellout. They got a team
Speaker 1: Queen's end. That's stinging a bit what you're feeling. You're confident.
Speaker 2: Because of all that history. It gives you a little
Speaker 2: bit of You've got to be a little bit wary, right,
Speaker 2: You've got to be, you know, hold back a little
Speaker 2: bit on that some of that confidence. I think that
Speaker 2: this is a pretty good chance though. I think we're
Speaker 2: we're with a pretty good chance to win up there.
Speaker 2: I think, if not now when I think, I do
Speaker 2: believe that these this group of players can do it.
Speaker 2: I like the team, obviously, love what they did in
Speaker 2: Game two, and I just think there's just an energy
Speaker 2: about them that is really steely.
Speaker 3: At the moment I was gonna say, I could be wrong,
Speaker 3: but the two series that they didn't went up there,
Speaker 3: they lost in game one and then rebounded in game two.
Speaker 3: So so that's something.
Speaker 1: As well.
Speaker 3: The news that Bradman Best got through. He didn't train
Speaker 3: until Wednesday, and I mean didn't train. He did some
Speaker 3: warming up, they put his hamstring to the test the
Speaker 3: first couple of days that he was in strapping. The
Speaker 3: on the Wednesday was off by the Thursday. And then
Speaker 3: one interesting thing that you know, Madge is really meticulous
Speaker 3: and people talk about how Billy's meticulous, but I think
Speaker 3: Madge is just as meticulous. And they actually got a
Speaker 3: DJ in to to play.
Speaker 2: Crowd noise and drama.
Speaker 1: Crowd noise.
Speaker 3: It was literally crowd noise to emulate that environment.
Speaker 1: It was a dead send of dejails around.
Speaker 2: There was that.
Speaker 1: Whatever.
Speaker 2: There was somebody there, yeah, with a couple of decks.
Speaker 2: Who was who was? He was just playing like ra warren.
Speaker 3: So and I joked whether you know they were going
Speaker 3: to be playing sledges through the speakers, and Frank's like Frank,
Speaker 3: their team manager, was like no, no, initially he how
Speaker 3: loud was it was. So this was when their first
Speaker 3: contact session against Saint Mary's started and I forgot a
Speaker 3: coffee cup on the ground and I hate to litter.
Speaker 3: So we had been kicked out and I thought I
Speaker 3: better go get that coffee cup because it had my
Speaker 3: name on it as well, so they were going to
Speaker 3: know that I was the person who left it, and
Speaker 3: so as I was walking in, it was just the
Speaker 3: noise just sort of hit you and you can hear
Speaker 3: the cheering and they're trying to like, you know, grilled
Speaker 3: me out of there, so I don't see or hear anything,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: That was a clever move, but you could a little.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think I did here.
Speaker 3: You know, through the through the really loud crowd noise,
Speaker 3: there was drums. I kind of heard some calls as well,
Speaker 3: and I think that's what that was.
Speaker 1: Drums at sun called.
Speaker 2: I did notice that.
Speaker 3: I think it was just just to prepare themselves for
Speaker 3: how loud it was going to be and to make
Speaker 3: sure that their communication is on point. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought that was an interesting addition. I don't think I
Speaker 3: don't know if Freddie has done that in the past, but.
Speaker 1: Sure, sure at some point. I don't anything can prepare
Speaker 1: you for some call. I don't think listening to some
Speaker 1: loud music or loud cheering can prepare for what we'll
Speaker 1: greet them at some call. Because Hurricane it's going to
Speaker 1: be really fun. Well it always is, right, it's and
Speaker 1: it's always loud, and you can't hear yourself think out
Speaker 1: there out there from what the players tell us. So
Speaker 1: you know, I like the concept, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: that you know when you run out and that wall
Speaker 1: of noise hits you, yea and they're just giving it
Speaker 1: to you, and they will be just giving it to them.
Speaker 1: Whether anything prepared for that, but some of these guys
Speaker 1: have been through it obviously. Spoke to Angus the other
Speaker 1: day in Angus Crichton and he's one up there in
Speaker 1: that atmosphere.
Speaker 3: So guys want a Grand Final up there. I know
Speaker 3: that's different, but they have achieved big things, so.
Speaker 1: You know they've got that on their side. But will
Speaker 1: it be enough?
Speaker 2: This is so yeah, I don't know whether it well,
Speaker 2: I don't know whether it will be enough some of
Speaker 2: those guys, even guys like you know, Mitch Moses, who
Speaker 2: has so is going to have so much on his
Speaker 2: plate and after having such a good game in Game
Speaker 2: two down in Melbourne to come up here and he's
Speaker 2: the guy, right, there's always so much pressure in the
Speaker 2: halfbacks to be able to deliver, and you know, win
Speaker 2: or lose, the result kind of rests on them a
Speaker 2: lot of the time, whether that's fair or not. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think someone like him might get a little bit
Speaker 2: of a shock, but he seems like the kind of
Speaker 2: person you could handle it too.
Speaker 1: I think he loves it. What about the the the
Speaker 1: ankst between the two teams. There's been a little bit
Speaker 1: going on with Madge and Madge is now in the
Speaker 1: Gordy tell Us and Gordon's return Serve. There's obviously all
Speaker 1: the talk about Queens and he bullied and bashed and
Speaker 1: in game two, and yeah, I think they were. I
Speaker 1: think it's pretty clear they were. And they need someone
Speaker 1: to stand up in this game. I think that's that's
Speaker 1: the key for them. Need someone to sort of sort
Speaker 1: of return serve, return fire. I think that's for me,
Speaker 1: that's almost their biggest issue, finding someone to do that.
Speaker 1: You've got guys, it's really going to come down to
Speaker 1: Lindsay Commons and Paddy Carrigan and those guys because they're
Speaker 1: capable of it. But they just got bullied. They need
Speaker 1: to respond to Leam Martin and Angus Crichton.
Speaker 3: And just Leny that game he played against the Dragons
Speaker 3: where he looked like a madman running from the back fence.
Speaker 3: And but that's going to be the biggest thing for
Speaker 3: both of the sides. So whether whether the Blues can
Speaker 3: maintain that physicality and intense city yeah, and whether the
Speaker 3: Morones can match it. But you know, it's funny because
Speaker 3: we spoke about this idea that the Blues bullied them,
Speaker 3: and they did bully them, but interestingly it was talking
Speaker 3: about the tension and the angst. None of the players,
Speaker 3: at least in camp during the week, wanted to buy
Speaker 3: into that narrative that they had bullied them, and I
Speaker 3: thought that was really interesting. I wonder whether it was
Speaker 3: because they were cautious not to give any the Marones
Speaker 3: any ammunition. And I think Corey Parker during the week
Speaker 3: came out and said he just wants, you know, if
Speaker 3: it means ten minutes in the bin, you know, belt
Speaker 3: someone put one on someone's chin and the rest of it.
Speaker 3: And we put that to some of the players and
Speaker 3: they just went buying into it at all.
Speaker 1: Dane Gago has obviously got some form in origin for
Speaker 1: for standing up for himself.
Speaker 2: Is a gag over Best.
Speaker 3: I think it might be, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Think it would be. Yeah. Well the obviously sides of
Speaker 1: club Land, so yeah that yeah, they will come up
Speaker 1: against each other. So Latrell is a huge out for Brown.
Speaker 1: It's a good form obviously. That hand many problems in
Speaker 1: terms of Queensland po the ponger on the bench experiment,
Speaker 1: and I don't think anyone knows how he's going to play.
Speaker 1: Our suspective, come on and reprise that role he's played before.
Speaker 1: It's just in the middle of the field and floating around,
Speaker 1: and how do you think that how do you think
Speaker 1: that will play out? Having Walsh and pomer on the
Speaker 1: field at the same time.
Speaker 2: I think that's the scariest thing, right for a New
Speaker 2: South Wales fan. I think that not knowing how he's
Speaker 2: going to play, and obviously New South Wales don't really
Speaker 2: know either. They can have their best guess. I'm sure
Speaker 2: they're very curious to find out. But yeah, that's that's
Speaker 2: the scariest thing because we know how he likes to play.
Speaker 2: He just likes to swing around and just pop up
Speaker 2: he can. He's a really good decoy as well, so
Speaker 2: if he's if he's just lingering there, that's where the
Speaker 2: defense puts their attention because they're afraid of him what
Speaker 2: he can do.
Speaker 3: They're going to have to divide their attention between Reese,
Speaker 3: Walsh and Ponger for sure. And I think that's of
Speaker 3: all the changes that Billy made, I think that's the
Speaker 3: one that scares the most. And I think from from
Speaker 3: how they trained during the week, Ponga sort of did
Speaker 3: come on in that sort of that middle middle role
Speaker 3: and worked sort of on the It was the what
Speaker 3: did I have here on the left side of the field,
Speaker 3: we didn't and Walsh on the right side of the
Speaker 3: field with d C.
Speaker 2: So that's a too.
Speaker 1: Pronged to pass it on the match giving.
Speaker 2: He's a listener of the podcast, so my down.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's huge, that that's that's a massive threat.
Speaker 3: But I do feel like, you know, the Blues have
Speaker 3: their own sort of X factor players in guys like
Speaker 3: Pride and in guys like Best.
Speaker 1: You know, sol I used KP because I'm so glad
Speaker 1: to see him back playing Origin and you know, one
Speaker 1: game back from long term injury, and Billy didn't didn't hesitate,
Speaker 1: and I think this was this was the way Billy
Speaker 1: wanted it. Before the series began, there are all these
Speaker 1: whispers that he was going to pick Calen Pong on
Speaker 1: the bench, and obviously Carlen got injured and so when
Speaker 1: Cobbo filled that role in game won. But when he's
Speaker 1: played that role off the bench Calen previously for Queens
Speaker 1: and he's been outstanding. And the pair of them on
Speaker 1: the field, Reese and Carlen at the same time, and
Speaker 1: that's a really exciting proposition. But you want to be
Speaker 1: in the game. I think Queen's got to make sure
Speaker 1: they start well so they can bring on Cale and
Speaker 1: either when the game's in the balance or when they're
Speaker 1: in front, and then you can just unleash him. He's
Speaker 1: a bit of a way when you chase some points.
Speaker 1: I suppose as well, he could be handy, but if
Speaker 1: you're not dominant, he's going he's going to find it
Speaker 1: hard make an imprint on the game. So that's why
Speaker 1: that forward pack I reckon for Queens and just needs
Speaker 1: to They just need to aim up because they didn't
Speaker 1: aim up the game.
Speaker 2: Two, did they make a mistake not picking I would.
Speaker 1: Have picked Dave, but Billions obviously go to I didn't
Speaker 1: think I thought Dave in the game before the team
Speaker 1: was picked. I came remember they player was a cron
Speaker 1: I didn't think Dave put his hand up and demanded
Speaker 1: to be picked. I thought he had a quiet game
Speaker 1: by his standards this season, but I still would have
Speaker 1: picked him. I mean, it's such an intimidating well, it's
Speaker 1: just such a big body, and I reckon they lacked
Speaker 1: a bit of that. They did that threat in Origin too,
Speaker 1: but they just you know, I think the starts. The
Speaker 1: starts always crucial in Origin, but it's huge in this
Speaker 1: game because you said, well, I need to take the
Speaker 1: crowd out of the game and acquenting and start, Well,
Speaker 1: you know that crowd is going to be up and
Speaker 1: about and then it's just going louder and more intimidating
Speaker 1: than you said. Wow, So the first twenty minutes is
Speaker 1: just monumental in this game.
Speaker 2: I reckon, where does a decider at Suncorps sit on
Speaker 2: your list of favorite sporting.
Speaker 1: Events well as in globally.
Speaker 2: That you go to that you cover.
Speaker 1: I love I love Decided as Uncle, but I mean
Speaker 1: I went to the maths last year. You can't top
Speaker 1: the US lasting August is pretty amazing. So the rugby
Speaker 1: league equivalent of it gust to national sum.
Speaker 3: Anybody's ever compared rugby league and Gusta.
Speaker 1: I saw your same boltwin gold medals.
Speaker 2: So it's you're saying, it's no, it's.
Speaker 1: Rugby league nirvana. But I reckon in the sporting you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the world sporting nirvana, it's it's sort
Speaker 1: of parallel with those other two. I reckon.
Speaker 2: So it's equal to yeah, maybe we're going to say
Speaker 2: that in rugby league nothing, but is it in the
Speaker 2: top five.
Speaker 1: It's been the top five decided a sun Yeah, I
Speaker 1: reckon even you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, women would have to acknowledge that. You have to
Speaker 2: think about.
Speaker 1: It's not but the side of it. Sun Corps unbelievable
Speaker 1: because it's crazy that it's just going off and it's
Speaker 1: an experience, right, I mean you walk down Catston Street,
Speaker 1: people are spilling over every who.
Speaker 2: It's the best.
Speaker 3: They should let Madge take the bus down Caxon Street.
Speaker 1: It's a health hazard. Apparently they tip the bus over
Speaker 1: the lunatics. At least they got rid of the old
Speaker 1: days used to throw the cans at the bus. It's
Speaker 1: all plastic cups now, right.
Speaker 2: So at least yeah, yeah, you'd be safe. At least
Speaker 2: give us a tip.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Bye?
Speaker 3: I think I went by ten this morning.
Speaker 2: And I have to send my tips through actually to mobs.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go New South Wales by.
Speaker 1: Two, Queensland by twenty.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to say.
Speaker 2: The favorite to the book is surprised.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I can Yeah, I know they could get
Speaker 1: blasted last game. Yeah, but Trells, d Wells and s
Speaker 1: Corp Stadium. It's obviously what it is, right and the
Speaker 1: past seven man the match only reach I think has
Speaker 1: been pretty quietness where they got knocked down in game one,
Speaker 1: but it was pretty quiet game too. So there you go.
Speaker 1: The match.
Speaker 3: Oh, I think I went with Mitch.
Speaker 2: If you have to win, he's got to be the guy.
Speaker 2: I hadn't thought about it. Let's go, we'll go Angus Crichton.
Speaker 1: Player the series well Angers would player the series player
Speaker 1: the match?
Speaker 2: Well, Mitch?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, well off Queens And when I don't know
Speaker 1: who's their player of the series, it's hard to call.
Speaker 1: Maybe d C just he's been very good d club football,
Speaker 1: let's go back to club footy. We'll start a parapa.
Speaker 1: It's a bit going on there at the moment. Obviously,
Speaker 1: Jason Rowle has been ringing around all the players, just
Speaker 1: trying to calm the farm a little bit because there's
Speaker 1: been a bit, a little bit of instability around Paramatta
Speaker 1: and Roles. He's been ringing around just trying to trying
Speaker 1: to reassure them about the club's direction. Okay, and obviously
Speaker 1: the story has come out that he might be with
Speaker 1: him sooner rather than later in some capacity won't be
Speaker 1: coaching them, but you know, he's obviously at Melbourne at
Speaker 1: the moment. Do we like that idea that Jason is
Speaker 1: free to focus on power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I mean he has a coaching
Speaker 3: consultant role at Melbourne, so like's not instant's none.
Speaker 2: Assistant, but obviously he plays it.
Speaker 3: He plays a role, but a role where they could
Speaker 3: probably you know, you know, Melbourne don't need him to
Speaker 3: be there essentially and Para do. That's the reality of
Speaker 3: the situation, just as long as I think there are
Speaker 3: clear lines between that. You know, Trent Barrett is still
Speaker 3: the interim coach for the rest of the year because
Speaker 3: you talk about the instability, that's only going to create
Speaker 3: more instability at least internally. But I think for the
Speaker 3: players who are obviously for a roster that has been
Speaker 3: really disappointing this year, knowing that Rolesey's presence is there,
Speaker 3: you know from we were.
Speaker 2: Just question did you burst and the tears if you're
Speaker 2: on the end of that, I think I would.
Speaker 3: I remember sitting in Kama which Grand Final. It was
Speaker 3: in the press box right next to Craig and it
Speaker 3: was intense anyway, just rolese his presence there, even though
Speaker 3: technically he's not going to be coaching the team this year.
Speaker 3: I think they probably need it from a morale point
Speaker 3: of view, because where the side is at the moment,
Speaker 3: it's not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think I mean trend boarder of good
Speaker 1: mates as well. We've known each other a long time,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure that there won't be an issue there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. But I think he's going
Speaker 2: to need as much time as possible to get a
Speaker 2: grasp on the situation. They're at Paramatta two. All of
Speaker 2: those players that he's going to have to get to
Speaker 2: know that are going to be super important for them
Speaker 2: to have success over next season and beyond, And the
Speaker 2: sooner he can get a start on that, the better.
Speaker 2: I spoke to wespect to Clint Guthson the other day
Speaker 2: and he hadn't I think it was the day after
Speaker 2: he was appointed coach and they hadn't spoken yet, but
Speaker 2: he was saying how he's just kind of ready to
Speaker 2: do anything because he knows his job is kind of
Speaker 2: on the line too. He's off contract at the end
Speaker 2: of next year. I think it is same with a
Speaker 2: fair few of those players as well as well. He
Speaker 2: said the same thing. They're very well aware that their
Speaker 2: jobs are on the line and there needs to be changes.
Speaker 2: There's got to be change. There's got to be a
Speaker 2: change in style. There's got to be something something change
Speaker 2: because it's not working.
Speaker 1: Obviously, he's obviously one of those goals. And the suggestion
Speaker 1: that maybe a move from fullback next year because they've
Speaker 1: been looking looking for a bit more speed and youth.
Speaker 1: I guess at the back when.
Speaker 2: He said he wants to do like, he would be
Speaker 2: happy to do that. He wants to do that if
Speaker 2: that's what if someone wants to putting there.
Speaker 1: A little bit depends on this guy, right, Blaze ta Lungy,
Speaker 1: who's sure off contract and take up his option free
Speaker 1: to hit there. He's talking, He's out there exploring the
Speaker 1: open market at the moment, and that's he's spoken. Blaze
Speaker 1: he was. I think he had a plan meeting with them.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if it went ahead, but the dragons
Speaker 1: are in for him.
Speaker 4: There'd be a lot of yeah, the roles he's spoken of,
Speaker 4: and I think he really wants to keep him, so
Speaker 4: he's a real priority for him, and I imagine if
Speaker 4: he's leaves the Storm and he's in.
Speaker 1: At Para, that'll be one of his real focuses on
Speaker 1: trying to convince Blaze to l to Lung. It's the
Speaker 1: right place to be. But he's a Para kid, right,
Speaker 1: Blaze came through the system.
Speaker 2: I think he wants to stay there. I think if
Speaker 2: it's the right situation, that that's what he wants to do.
Speaker 1: It's intriguing because his younger brother made this stround school
Speaker 1: boys too, right, it's a long the other day. So
Speaker 1: you know, if you can keep Blaze, I managine you
Speaker 1: keep writer as well. So it's important they keep those
Speaker 1: sort of guys, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Well that's the thing they've They've Para have
Speaker 3: put quite a bit of work into their local juniors.
Speaker 3: You know, they have numbers wise, they have a nursery
Speaker 3: that's sought not as big as Penrith but close to
Speaker 3: and they haven't had that same success. And they've already
Speaker 3: lost Ethan Sanders to Canberra, who was part of that
Speaker 3: sort of group that came through. So you know, we
Speaker 3: seen Charlie Geimer come through, Arthur come through, and obviously
Speaker 3: like Blaze is the I guess the cream of the
Speaker 3: crop of that bunch, and you know, all of a
Speaker 3: sudden you can't keep one and then you know, so, yeah,
Speaker 3: he is absolutely important for them. And just like on Gutho,
Speaker 3: potentially moving position. So he's managed a knee injury all
Speaker 3: year that's been a little bit like troublesome for him.
Speaker 3: So and he sort of concedes that he's at a
Speaker 3: point in his career, especially managing his body and injury
Speaker 3: and the rest of it, he's had to pull back
Speaker 3: a bit. So maybe you know, he does so much
Speaker 3: work at fullback, maybe moving into the into the centers
Speaker 3: relieve some of that workload a little bit. But I
Speaker 3: think people underestimate, like you talk about X factor not
Speaker 3: having speed or the rest of it, I think people
Speaker 3: underestimate how much work Gotho actually does for that footy
Speaker 3: team from from the back. You know, his effort areas
Speaker 3: his defense. I don't know whether you know whether.
Speaker 1: Pensini obviously as well. I means Zamax the winger now
Speaker 1: is that official? We officially well.
Speaker 3: Zach Lomax will play wherever the coach needs him.
Speaker 2: Well, he'll be on the see this season. He has
Speaker 2: been amazing.
Speaker 3: He want to be a full bath. I because I
Speaker 3: feel like the fullback situation was not a promise, but
Speaker 3: something that was discussed as part of trying to convince
Speaker 3: him to stay when Brad Arthur was there. Whether it
Speaker 3: was something designed by him and his manager and his family,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know the intricacy intricacies of
Speaker 1: the conversations.
Speaker 3: But because it's not six and seven, right, as long
Speaker 3: as I think he's obviously played a bit of six and.
Speaker 1: Dylan Brown, well, he's only got what he got a year,
Speaker 1: he's got a year to two years to go. I
Speaker 1: think Dylan Brown with your player options after two years. Right,
Speaker 1: So there's lots of rumors around about him at the moment,
Speaker 1: lots of whispers about Dylan Brown, and it was obviously
Speaker 1: really close to Brad, right, So.
Speaker 3: Have to see how that used to joke that you know,
Speaker 3: Dylan was Brad's favorite son.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh well, speaking of favorite sons, I'll tell your favorite
Speaker 1: Sunday's under a bit of pumped Kevy Walters at the Broncos,
Speaker 1: the Great Kevy they've lost now is it six and
Speaker 1: they've lost?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 1: The Bronx they're in all sorts play. They need. I
Speaker 1: think they had to win six their last seven or
Speaker 1: something to even have a.
Speaker 3: Hope and made buy but six of their last seven.
Speaker 1: And they just got obviously a lot of players missing
Speaker 1: and have had for a while. But you know, they
Speaker 1: were all Look, they started that game on on Saturday night.
Speaker 1: They were awful against the Dragons, fought back in the
Speaker 1: second half, got a bit of respectability of the score line,
Speaker 1: but they didn't deserve to be in the game in
Speaker 1: the end because they just played terribly. And Kevy blew
Speaker 1: a gasket afterwards obviously had had he say and walked
Speaker 1: out the dressing sheds, and they're pretty upset in the
Speaker 1: press conference. There's seasons, but are they gone? What are
Speaker 1: you guys are declaring them gone or what?
Speaker 3: I know? I think so it's four points out of
Speaker 3: the eight at the moment if I remember correctly, and
Speaker 3: they do have a buy in hand. But I've got
Speaker 3: the Knights, which you know have been indifferent this year, Dogs,
Speaker 3: which is not going to be easy. The Titans are
Speaker 3: all of a sudden of form, The Cowboys aren't going
Speaker 3: to be easy. The Eels and Dolphins in the storm
Speaker 3: right now, they're not playing.
Speaker 1: And I'm know rest last round that might help them.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but are they going to win six out of
Speaker 3: those seven at the moment, even with you know, all
Speaker 3: their origin players back Adam Reynolds back in two three
Speaker 3: weeks around twenty two, I think three a month, it
Speaker 3: doesn't look like they don't look even when they're at
Speaker 3: full strength, they don't look like the team that was
Speaker 3: a genuine contender last year and went all the way
Speaker 3: to the Grand Final. And there's been a lot of
Speaker 3: talk just about the way they're playing this year. You
Speaker 3: know that there's that, you know, the energies off, the
Speaker 3: attitudes after defense is a problem. You know, when when
Speaker 3: their attack is on fire, they've just got so much strike,
Speaker 3: you know. But it just hasn't been there this year.
Speaker 3: And yes they've had injuries yet they have you know,
Speaker 3: origin to deal with, but so do other teams, the
Speaker 3: best teams.
Speaker 2: This is one of the games where you know, the
Speaker 2: Dragons are missing their two best players. The Bronco is
Speaker 2: obviously missing a fair fair chunk of their origin players
Speaker 2: as well, which are in turn they're also their best players.
Speaker 2: But if they were fired income this is again they
Speaker 2: should have won.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're capable of getting a run and
Speaker 1: winning six out of seven, but not the way they're
Speaker 1: playing them, Not the way they've played for the past
Speaker 1: two months have just been diabolical. Ye Should Kevy be
Speaker 1: if they missed the finals? Should Kevy be under pressure?
Speaker 3: It's so hard because it was only twelve months ago
Speaker 3: that they made a Grand Final and with a whisker
Speaker 3: of beating Penrith. And it's such a good roster when
Speaker 3: you it is, it's a really good roster, like when
Speaker 3: you look on paper run from like Reese Walsh to
Speaker 3: Ezra Man, Adam Reynolds, Paint Hass, Pat Carrigan, there's so
Speaker 3: much good.
Speaker 2: It's a it's a good roster. So's yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: think so. I think he should. He deserves some credit
Speaker 2: for having got them to a Grand Final. I think
Speaker 2: you see this happen a bit though, right, Like teams
Speaker 2: make a Grand Final and I don't think there's enough
Speaker 2: appreciation for how actually difficult that is to get there.
Speaker 2: And then the great teams are competing for Grand Finals,
Speaker 2: competing competing for premierships every year. You know Melbourne and
Speaker 2: Panreth now as well the Roosters, but even so, to
Speaker 2: be able to do that year on year is bloody hard, so.
Speaker 1: Undermens pressure.
Speaker 2: Then next year then here then they've got to do something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I was going with the the roster point,
Speaker 3: like that roster is so good, you almost give him
Speaker 3: one more year. Be if we the knives come out,
Speaker 3: because it might just be off year. And as Pam said,
Speaker 3: as like when you're in, when you're the Broncos after
Speaker 3: making the Grand Final, they probably you know, their egos
Speaker 3: probably got a bit too big. That might have an
Speaker 3: impact on it. But that's also you know, coaching and
Speaker 3: people management as well. So yeah, you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: say that the knives are out for Kevy at the moment.
Speaker 3: You definitely give with that roster, you give him twelve
Speaker 3: more months. But yeah, if they miss the final, they're
Speaker 3: probably a bigger disappointment than parap. Yeah, missing the finals
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: So should we have a look at the ladder and
Speaker 2: see who we think is going to so in the
Speaker 2: top eight at the moment obviously Melbourne, Penrith, Roosters, Sharks, Bulldogs, Dolphins,
Speaker 2: Manly and Cowboys. Anyone there that you'd think is not
Speaker 2: going to be there.
Speaker 1: I think nothing, man, You'll make it. Now they've got
Speaker 1: a really good run home. Actually, so I think Manly
Speaker 1: will be there. Think that I think you're going to
Speaker 1: the table's deceiving, right.
Speaker 2: You got yeah? Right? And points Yeah, because.
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have had nine. They've had nine
Speaker 1: wins as n W.
Speaker 2: So the Dolphins, Seagulls, Cowboys and Dragons and Bulldogs have
Speaker 2: all had nine. Okay, yeah, nights about eight and then Raiders, Warriors,
Speaker 2: Broncos have had seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the Broncos are going to get in. I
Speaker 1: think the most likely team of squeeze past. Maybe it's
Speaker 1: the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: It could be the Cowboys. Maybe Cowboys, the Dolphins, the Dolphins. Dolphins, Yeah,
Speaker 2: Dolphins don't have any buyers left.
Speaker 1: Problems and stuff. Yeah, the missing players they're actually, you're right.
Speaker 1: The Dolphins is probably the most vulnerable team.
Speaker 2: They pay, they play, is not going.
Speaker 1: To make the top eight. The Westgers. I didn't see
Speaker 1: a lot of this game. I did read the report.
Speaker 1: They were apparently dieabolical. The West targets on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Zero commitment Yeah, yeah, bad, just no no going them?
Speaker 2: Yeah no, I don't know stop didn't they ever?
Speaker 3: I actually read about this in the Tackle and I
Speaker 3: and I put it all back on the immortal Andrew Johns,
Speaker 3: because if anybody's going to make this claim about a
Speaker 3: football player or a footy team, it's he's earned.
Speaker 2: The right to.
Speaker 3: And he basically said that they just you know, throw
Speaker 3: in the tower, didn't have a go and they're just
Speaker 3: to collect a paycheck. Well this, yes, and then it
Speaker 3: fell apart. They've got zero resilience. Yeah, and that's the problem. Like,
Speaker 3: if you're going to have discipline that bad, you know,
Speaker 3: I appally got simbind as well. If you're gonna if
Speaker 3: your discipline is going to be poor, you have to
Speaker 3: have greater resilience. Otherwise, a better team and a team
Speaker 3: that was struggling for form is going to put almost,
Speaker 3: you know, fifty sixty points on you on you other
Speaker 3: it was forty the weeks before and then forty the
Speaker 3: week before that. Yes, so, and it was against top
Speaker 3: four sides. But it just shows the gulf between being
Speaker 3: a good team and where the Tigers are at the
Speaker 3: moment and how much work poor Benji Marshall.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the Sharks have not been the Sharks have
Speaker 2: not been good. So I actually even expected this to
Speaker 2: be without Nico, you know, I expected, well.
Speaker 1: I think I tipped the well, I'm coming. I need
Speaker 1: to make numbers up and need some upsets outside Hope.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, way as you said, yeah outside Hope. But
Speaker 2: goodness me, no, this was this was bad and it
Speaker 2: just goes to show I think that that the discipline
Speaker 2: like that, that record that they have. How many stents
Speaker 2: in I think I think.
Speaker 3: It was eleven? Yeah, I think were the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 1: It's just terrible blo. It's just not Yeah, there's no
Speaker 1: discipline defense and it's just awful.
Speaker 2: There's just no commitment. Everyone just seems to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know there were I just you
Speaker 3: watch someone like Lucky Galvin and if anytime they look
Speaker 3: good or even slightly looked dangerous, it was off the
Speaker 3: off the back of what he was doing. He's such
Speaker 3: a good young player. But then you feel sorry for him,
Speaker 3: you know, having to sort of carry a team, you.
Speaker 2: Know, filled with a foward pack.
Speaker 3: That is probably one of the more pricier in the
Speaker 3: competition when you think about how much money some of
Speaker 3: those guys are on and they're just not delivering.
Speaker 2: Any of this impact. Stefano, what's going on with him?
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think it helps keep him but mind you,
Speaker 1: As I said, I didn't see this game, but I'm
Speaker 1: told Stefano was pretty average, and I suspect that, you know,
Speaker 1: his forms dipped ever since people have been talking about
Speaker 1: his future and he's been talking about his future. I
Speaker 1: reckon his form's gone off the edge of a cliff,
Speaker 1: and I reckon he just needs to sort it out.
Speaker 1: I mean, he flew to Brisbane on the weekend apparently
Speaker 1: to meet the Dolphins. He's obviously met. Just he just
Speaker 1: needs to resolve it. I mean, you know, for his
Speaker 1: own benefit, needs to resolve it because he's just not
Speaker 1: playing a good Yeah. That's two months ago we were
Speaker 1: talking about potentially being picked in the Origin. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: since then he's just forms, just been banged average.
Speaker 3: But that goes to just that whole team having zero
Speaker 3: mental resilience at the moment. There was a shot they
Speaker 3: cut to the dressing room after that game, and the
Speaker 3: look on Stefano's face set it all. If you saw
Speaker 3: the look on his face, I couldn't tell whether he
Speaker 3: was actually at the point of tears, whether he was crying,
Speaker 3: but he just looked disgusted. And you when you look
Speaker 3: at that and you go, yeah, he's probably not going
Speaker 3: to be there next year. Yeah, But the thing is
Speaker 3: he's playing himself out of a million dollar, eight hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollar contract at the moment.
Speaker 1: Well, now he's got the well the deals there from
Speaker 1: the Tigers. Worst it takes the deal from the Tigers, right,
Speaker 1: which is one hundred thousand years, So that's at least
Speaker 1: he's going to get.
Speaker 3: If the Tigers pay him eight hundred K and he
Speaker 3: keeps he finishes off the season with that form that
Speaker 3: is not prudent rust manage.
Speaker 2: So what do they do Anyone they can bring in
Speaker 2: make a difference.
Speaker 1: Well, they're bringing Jerome Lui next year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they get to becoming the wine, but they're still
Speaker 3: you feel like they're still missing something. And I think
Speaker 3: it's a it's a forward, yeah, and Stefano was supposed
Speaker 3: to be that forward, but right now it's it's showing
Speaker 3: that it's probably not the case.
Speaker 1: I think they need a few blakes, to be honest.
Speaker 1: But all seasons are funny. In our game, you often
Speaker 1: see movement that you don't expect. So I think that
Speaker 1: kept some money up the sleeve and that's smart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if Stefano leaves it an extra one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to spend and if someone becomes available, you just
Speaker 1: don't know. Someone could just pop up and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden the issue will be conviied. In the West,
Speaker 1: Tyrier is the club they want to go to. That's
Speaker 1: their problem.
Speaker 3: Well, apparently Richo went to the Blue Mountains to have
Speaker 3: a is it with your own?
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Were there?
Speaker 3: No through the grave one? So look, I don't Yeah,
Speaker 3: if they can convince Jerome Lewaire to go there, maybe
Speaker 3: you know, Benji can convince someone else. But yeah, and
Speaker 3: they and they're a bit like paramount A right, like
Speaker 3: they're probably theirs is going to look very different in
Speaker 3: a couple of years. And they've got some good kids
Speaker 3: coming through, but that's the the kids. They're just not ready.
Speaker 3: And the worst thing Benji, because Benji was forced to
Speaker 3: do it out of injury.
Speaker 2: This year.
Speaker 3: I think he debuted like ten people, ten guys four
Speaker 3: maybe four or five of them were local juniors, but
Speaker 3: still eighteen nineteen year olds that were probably years away
Speaker 3: from being ready for the n RL. Yeah, so I
Speaker 3: think there's just more pain for the Tigers, at least
Speaker 3: for this year.
Speaker 1: Just quickly we'll touch on Manley's win yesterday. It was
Speaker 1: good to see I think Tommy to more of its
Speaker 1: had six linebackerses, So a week after people questioning Tommy's
Speaker 1: health and his fitness after playing center a week ago,
Speaker 1: he comes back plays full back and he just had
Speaker 1: a field. Tommy and the Knights were pretty poor.
Speaker 3: I'm just going to say it was a bit like
Speaker 3: the what the Tigers did to the Sharks, so the
Speaker 3: Knights play him into form. I think the best part
Speaker 3: of it was I can't remember. Maybe it was the
Speaker 3: try off the back of the Luke Brooks kick where
Speaker 3: he sort of had to Was.
Speaker 2: It the Luke Brooks kick.
Speaker 1: With the past.
Speaker 2: Cross for a Bob No, wasn't it.
Speaker 3: Just to see him actually go up and and catch
Speaker 3: the ball, put it down and well that's goal up
Speaker 3: without any without any hamstring issues.
Speaker 2: That was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's the best part out of it.
Speaker 2: It's great to see a champion like that. He's such
Speaker 2: a good fellow and he's such a great player. It's
Speaker 2: good to see him get back into some form and
Speaker 2: playing at his best. I think the game is better
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But what he's see in that form, you think
Speaker 3: if if Manly are going to do anything then, yeah,
Speaker 3: he probably.
Speaker 1: Again it's had a lot of players out, particularly on
Speaker 1: their edges. They gave him no best, no comer. Obviously
Speaker 1: they got destroyed on the edges. They got destroyed in
Speaker 1: the middle to Actually they just got destroyed everywhere I
Speaker 1: think about it. But mainly we mainly get going. He said,
Speaker 1: a good they're a good side to watch men. They
Speaker 1: get a good foot.
Speaker 3: Ye as effortless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's this might be the Troy here they sit here,
Speaker 1: he's this kid's kid. He's been a hell of a
Speaker 1: fine for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And as I said, I think they've got eighteen.
Speaker 1: I think he's they get a good run home Manly.
Speaker 1: They should look they should definitely be top eight. They
Speaker 1: could make a run at the top four given the
Speaker 1: given given the run they've got.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially depending on how it's hard to know
Speaker 2: how the Sharks are going to go over these next
Speaker 2: couple of weeks as well, how the Nico effects is
Speaker 2: going to really hurt them. But yeah, they're once there
Speaker 2: when they're informed and they're playing like this. Obviously to
Speaker 2: play like this about DCE is it's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: It's a big game this week because the great Desmond
Speaker 1: Hasler returning to Brookwelle or four points Parks sorry for
Speaker 1: the first time since leaving, and he's suing them and
Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff going on. How do we think
Speaker 1: there's Do you think there's will get a good reception?
Speaker 1: What do you think his reception will be?
Speaker 2: Like? I think he will. I think people like him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like manlely fans like him, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was the guy and all the beaches.
Speaker 1: I think fans like him. They're still happily do him
Speaker 1: if they comes.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't know. I think that's probably
Speaker 3: an element of manly fans that.
Speaker 1: Are the place. But you know, yeah, look, I mean
Speaker 1: he's a club Legende spoke about yesterday.
Speaker 3: That's what I mean. You know, when they were going
Speaker 3: through that glory period, it was on the back of
Speaker 3: deaths has last. So maybe that earns him a bit
Speaker 3: of good will.
Speaker 1: But you know, hopefully his press conference lasts longer than
Speaker 1: this one of the weekend when he just started walking
Speaker 1: away after two minutes and called them into his press conference.
Speaker 1: He draws about at the beaches. He is a pain
Speaker 1: in the butt in press conferences, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Because he speaks so slowly and to bore you so
Speaker 2: that you don't pay attention, so you don't ask him
Speaker 2: a question, and he just gets up and leaves and
Speaker 2: hopes that no one's not even hopes. He just dares
Speaker 2: anyone to call him back. Not done.
Speaker 1: I look forward to seeing him on Sunday. Let's go
Speaker 1: to what you're watching? What are you watching? What are
Speaker 1: you watching this week? What do you got? Pam, we'll
Speaker 1: go with you first.
Speaker 2: I have actually binged this whole thing. It's a show
Speaker 2: called Fate. It's on a Paramount Plus. So it's got
Speaker 2: Asha Katy in it. So she's the Australian actress. She's
Speaker 2: like a she's a single woman, she's in her forties.
Speaker 2: She yeah, and she meets this guy on a dating
Speaker 2: app and she there's just heaps of red flags about
Speaker 2: him and she just ignores them because she just kind
Speaker 2: of wants to be in a relationship and he's just
Speaker 2: not who he himself to be. Yeah, it's based on
Speaker 2: a book. It's a thriller. It's really really good. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is a NAT show. Yeah, outstanding, it's so so good.
Speaker 2: I think it's about seven or eight episodes or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: A bit creepy, a bit show. Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 2: He's not a he's not a stalker. He's more I
Speaker 2: would put him more as like corn artist. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's just yeah, it's a bit of a really it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can see all of the red flags and she
Speaker 2: just perseveres check that one out, very good. Beverly Hills Cop.
Speaker 3: The new one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are too young for the first one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've seen the first one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: a classic, isn't it.
Speaker 3: It's fun, you know, it's you don't take it too seriously.
Speaker 3: And I remember just enjoying when I did watch that
Speaker 3: first Beverly Hills Cop, just enjoying Eddie Murphy's style of comedy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he's just the script was witty. I mean, I
Speaker 3: feel like maybe he's lost a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of everyone's back there, aren't they all the original cast?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: A little Yeah, so a fan or no.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3: It was fun. I felt like the the first two
Speaker 3: has been to before this one.
Speaker 2: Three, two or three, Well.
Speaker 3: At least when you compare sort of the wittiness of
Speaker 3: it of the first one is probably not there.
Speaker 2: But it's still it's easy to watch.
Speaker 3: It's fine. Eddie Murphy is just a really good comedic actor.
Speaker 3: So it's it's an easy watch when you're looking to unwind.
Speaker 1: Nice, I'm going to get give Fox a bit of love,
Speaker 1: Fox Tell a bit of love. Because my wife and
Speaker 1: I have been watching Million Dollar Listing LA.
Speaker 2: Do you watch I Love Million Dollarsting New York LA.
Speaker 1: The new series of LA's out. I think it's like
Speaker 1: season fourteen, eleven or twelve or fourteen or something of it.
Speaker 1: And I just love watching the houses they go. I know,
Speaker 1: I can give or take the drama because it's always
Speaker 1: drama and there's always someone blowing with someone. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: the houses are insane.
Speaker 2: I know, they're so good. I love them to do.
Speaker 2: In the Sydney housing market, this is come.
Speaker 1: Back with interest rates rising. They struggling, struggling, struggling on there,
Speaker 1: four hundred thousand dollar commissions from something. The houses.
Speaker 2: It's million dollars going to get the one bedroom apartment.
Speaker 1: They're struggling. You know, they're driving rolls Royces and yeah
Speaker 1: they're batting. It's all relative, right, there you go driving.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love all those real estate shows.
Speaker 3: But I like the drama too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like the houses and the drama.
Speaker 2: Okay, well some of the houses are.
Speaker 1: If you love drama, you're gonna love Wednesday Night, those
Speaker 1: origins on Yeah. Just a final tip, what'd you go?
Speaker 2: Blues by ten, Yeah, Blues by two.
Speaker 1: Queens and by four. Thanks very much. We'll see you
Speaker 1: next week on The w Telegraph in podcast