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Speaker 1: Apo Shape Production. Welcome back to another episode of Am

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Speaker 1: I A Bad Mum? Podcast? We constantly asked the same

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Speaker 1: question over and over again. We never run out of content.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because we've been doing this podcast for how

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Speaker 1: many years?

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Speaker 2: Well, Elsie's now nine, and I think she was three

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Speaker 2: and a half when we started. Remember, because when we

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Speaker 2: first started, the way that we met was me being

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Speaker 2: late to lunch. You asked me why. I was like, because, religiously,

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Speaker 2: you're always on time and I'm always late.

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Speaker 1: Not in a like why are you low? No, like

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Speaker 1: you're asking me like, what happened? What happened?

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Speaker 2: And I had nothing. I was just like, my kid

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Speaker 2: was being an asshole and I'm late because of my child.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, And I think you actually called her in

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Speaker 1: our and I went, oh, that's funny. I've got this

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Speaker 1: idea for podcasts. I think that'd be perfect.

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Speaker 2: I just had to find the right person that has

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Speaker 2: the same similar mentality to me.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be called am I a bad mummy? Okay

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Speaker 1: with that? Yeah, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: I'm in.

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Speaker 1: Am I a bad mum? For wanting more me time?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to say, Katie, tables have turned a

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Speaker 2: little bit yeah, I was away a fair bit there

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Speaker 2: for a while, like I was planning trips for myself

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Speaker 2: and doing things and all the rest. And now I'm

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Speaker 2: in the other way where I feel like I haven't

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Speaker 2: gone anywhere for so long, and you've been taking trips

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Speaker 2: minus children. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, when we first met, and like we first became friends,

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Speaker 1: you would say often about going away on your own

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Speaker 1: or a girl's trip, even like going for dinner by yourself,

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Speaker 1: just gag by yourself. Yeah, And for me it was

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Speaker 1: like an alien concept, like we don't have any family

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Speaker 1: here minor in the UK. My husband Jay's are in Perth,

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Speaker 1: so we've never really had anyone to have the girls

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Speaker 1: So we've never actually gone at that time, gone for

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Speaker 1: a night. No, And we'd never even really thought about it.

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Speaker 1: It was like, if we're going away somewhere, or if

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Speaker 1: we're going on a trip or a holiday or a

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Speaker 1: weekend away, we take the kids. We took our kids

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Speaker 1: on our honeymoon, mate, Yeah, I know, I min, I

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Speaker 1: haven't had a honeymoon. Like I feel like, mate, you

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Speaker 1: are honeying out for And I remember at the time

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Speaker 1: you saying, because I always thought it was a bit

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Speaker 1: of a selfish thing. I used to think, yeah, but

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Speaker 1: what about the kids, like they need us kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: And I remember you saying about how good it is

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Speaker 1: to be able to have your own time and also

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Speaker 1: for the kids to have their own time, and then

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Speaker 1: how much you miss each other and how much better

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Speaker 1: it is when then you get back and reconnect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for both teams.

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Speaker 1: Now, over the last few years, taken a leaf out

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Speaker 1: of your book when we have done those things.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

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Speaker 1: Now on the weekend, this is the first time I've

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Speaker 1: ever done this. We went to a health retreat. We

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Speaker 1: went to Eden Retreat down in Curumbin Valley in the

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Speaker 2: The battery pack recharges.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, rage, I have never had a better trip away

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Speaker 1: me started on the staff and the service and the like.

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Speaker 1: That's a whole other episode.

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Speaker 2: Now, can we mention your reservations to going Remember we

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Speaker 2: just had this. You were thinking, oh my gosh, but

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Speaker 2: No wine, no sugar, no caffeine, Nope, you were starting

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Speaker 2: there's no phone reception.

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Speaker 1: won't have any Wi Fi. I won't have a girl out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Like I could literally cry about how amazing. I found

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Speaker 1: that weekend and how just good, you know, good food,

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Speaker 1: I realized is that it was the first trip away.

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Speaker 1: but then you're looking forward to going home. And I'm

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Speaker 1: such a homebody, we know, right. I loved COVID because

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Speaker 1: I had been present for three days and all I

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Speaker 1: and we're planners, right with mummas. We plan, we know

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Speaker 1: what we're doing. So for it to be taken out

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Speaker 1: it which is, you know, lastly, either walking in nature

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Speaker 2: What do you think it is? Or was that made

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'd been super stressed in the lead up,

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Speaker 1: Like it couldn't have come at a more perfect time.

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Speaker 1: And I think you don't realize how stressed you are

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Speaker 1: like and it's like, okay, you need to just stop.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I fully thought I would have even more

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Speaker 1: like that was all great. It was almost light. You're

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Speaker 1: about in your day to day life, even like, of

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Speaker 1: course I missed my kids, like I love my kids

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Speaker 1: course I missed them and I was excited to see them,

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Speaker 2: The quietness of your mind. Obviously the stress that you

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Speaker 2: role of a mum that you do play, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: it's also probably all the other practices that you did

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Speaker 1: And therapy, right, like I think it's good low health

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Speaker 2: That's great.

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Speaker 1: I went in thinking that there was nothing really I

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Speaker 2: Though, there's how much we park all of that just

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Speaker 1: Up right, You know where they need to be after school.

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Speaker 1: You know what time bedtime is, and what a wrangle

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Speaker 2: feeling like all of your internal systems have had a rest. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's amazing thing. What you did amazing That first day

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to look at where, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: because I don't want to take on real life.

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Speaker 2: I think it's almost Katie though, how do you apply

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Speaker 1: Do you know One of the biggest takeaways, and this

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Speaker 1: is for any mum, right, is when we say we

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Speaker 1: don't have time. So I haven't meditated because I don't

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Speaker 1: have time Oh, I haven't sat and just breathed on

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Speaker 2: Same with journaling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have to find time. We do have to

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Speaker 1: and lay down? Do it in your car? Yeah, do

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Speaker 1: it in your car. In the school pickup line, I

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Speaker 1: was like, not whilst driving.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not actually saying that, but yeah, exactly what

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Speaker 2: I was going to say. Sit in your car, when

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Speaker 2: you're sitting in your car waiting for the kids, put

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Speaker 2: it on. Yeah two minutes. Yeah, start with two minutes

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Speaker 2: and then get to ten. You'll feel a hell of

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Speaker 2: a lot different.

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Speaker 1: Talk about what you're grateful for, write it down, write

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Speaker 1: it down, journ all the shit out of it. You

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Speaker 1: can be grateful for your kids and also think that

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Speaker 1: they're being absolute assholes at the same time. Yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: That's fine with us. That's what we do.

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Speaker 1: So my biggest takeaway is, mums, we need to do

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Speaker 1: stuff for ourselves, and we also need to feel not

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Speaker 1: guilty about it and go offline, go off grid. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how many times have you had a day out maybe

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Speaker 1: you know races for example, right where you're not with

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Speaker 1: get a phone call because they can't find their shoes

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Speaker 1: and you know, yeah, yeah, I do know, and then

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Speaker 1: they want uber eats for lunch because they don't like

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Speaker 1: what you've left them.

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Speaker 2: Too bad or staff one or the other. So anyway,

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Speaker 2: investment in self is what we're trying to say. Invest

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Speaker 2: in yourself so that others also get the best version

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Speaker 2: of you, because if you do not invest in yourself, yep,

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Speaker 2: no one does it for you.

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Speaker 1: And spend the money on yourself. I heard something funny

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Speaker 1: recently where it was like, think about how many like

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Speaker 1: cute outfits that you buy your kids, or you know,

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Speaker 1: the amount of money you spend on your kids and

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Speaker 1: what they need, and it's like you need a new bra.

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Speaker 2: Just a bar, You need a new bra or a

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Speaker 2: pair of nice knickers that might make you feel good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, or go away, infest honestly, go away.

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Speaker 2: Then just talking about everything that you've just done over

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Speaker 2: the weekend.

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Speaker 1: Yep, my weekend is absolutely not like that. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to know about you. Let's let's just park at that.

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Speaker 1: Let me stay in my mind full, peaceful self,