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Speaker 1: We wake up some mornings and hear this news where

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Speaker 1: someone has been arrested doing something stupid in a car.

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Speaker 1: But even stupid are the fact that a young child

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Speaker 1: is in the car with an irresponsible driver either drink driving, recklessly, speeding,

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Speaker 1: drug driving, you name it, hooning. And do you think

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Speaker 1: if you're going to do stupid things, don't do them

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Speaker 1: with kids in the car for goodness sake? And there

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Speaker 1: are calls now for tougher penalties and in fact legislation

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Speaker 1: to go to State Parliament on this. Frank Pangelo's behind

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Speaker 1: the push and depend on upper House MP wouldn't disagree

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Speaker 1: with this at all.

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Speaker 2: Frank, good morning, Yes, good morning, I think, good morning

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Speaker 2: to your listeners. Yes, well, look, as you pointed out

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Speaker 2: drivers who behave dangerously behind the wheel with kids under

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Speaker 2: the age of sixteen, well you could go to jail

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Speaker 2: and also face fifty penalties. Now the laws will have

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Speaker 2: a range of aggravated offenses fines from five thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: three up to two three years in jail, and it

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Speaker 2: covers areas like excessive speed, reckless and dangerous driving, driving

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Speaker 2: under the influence, driving while having a prescribed concentration of alcohol,

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Speaker 2: and driving with a prescribed drug. Now, Matthew, we should

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Speaker 2: all be alarmed at the practice of adult drivers being

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Speaker 2: so reckless with pigs in cars while under the influence

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Speaker 2: of drugs and alcohol. But also these days you also

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Speaker 2: have the added distraction of mobile phones, and it's reckless

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Speaker 2: and moronic to put their own lives and young lives

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Speaker 2: at risk for acting so irresponsibly. And there were two

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Speaker 2: recent incidents involving drink drivers that had children under the

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Speaker 2: age of sixteen in there. And of course last week

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Speaker 2: we saw figures that were released that showed the extent

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Speaker 2: of people being caught by caught on mobile phones by

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Speaker 2: the cameras that have been recently installed. People are quite

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Speaker 2: stupid and moronic when they go on the road. They

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Speaker 2: know that there are cameras watching them, that they know

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Speaker 2: they could be caught by police. They're trying defy the law.

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Speaker 2: So look, I hope it has an impact, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure it will, and I hope it actually has the

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Speaker 2: support of all sides. I think it will. We've seen

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Speaker 2: crackdowns in recent years by police near schools, especially near

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Speaker 2: drop offs, where adults have been found with alcohol and

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Speaker 2: drugs in their system. And this legislation is all about

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Speaker 2: protecting lives on our roads.

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Speaker 1: So longer there are prison terms for this, certainly that's

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Speaker 1: what you're proposing, and big oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. For excessive speed, for instance, there'll

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Speaker 2: be a maximum of three years imprisonment, an increase in

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Speaker 2: the overall penalty for subsequent offenses from two to three years.

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Speaker 2: Three years imprisonment maximum for reckless and dangerous driving, driving

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Speaker 2: under the influence of find not less than nineteen hundred

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Speaker 2: dollars and not more than two nine hundred dollars, or

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Speaker 2: imprisonment of to six month. Driving while having prescribed concentration

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Speaker 2: of alcohol. Again, it's a Category two offense and a

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Speaker 2: fine between fifteen hundred and two thousand, two hundred. Driving

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Speaker 2: with the prescribed drug a fine of not less than

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Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars and not more than two thousand, two hundred.

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Speaker 2: So I hope it's a deterrent.

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Speaker 1: What are we going to do for people who are

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Speaker 1: fined and can't pay or don't pay and keep driving.

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Speaker 2: What's more, well, you know that's an interesting thing. Well,

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Speaker 2: firstly they shouldn't be on the roads. Of course, even

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Speaker 2: after that, now we've got this alarming spike in the

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Speaker 2: numbers of people currently driving either unlicensed or unregistered, and

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Speaker 2: it's time I think, you know, the authorities really put

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Speaker 2: their foot down and started jailing the people because there

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Speaker 2: are people had multiple offenses for driving without a license

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Speaker 2: or driving unregistered, and they just seem to just go

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Speaker 2: out into the community and do the same thing over again,

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Speaker 2: and they need to be taught to lessen and they

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Speaker 2: need to be thrown in jail. It's a big problem,

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Speaker 2: and particularly now, Matthew, with cost of living pressures that

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Speaker 2: are impacting on families, particularly those in the low sashoeconomic areas,

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Speaker 2: they cannot afford to pay insurance on homes, on their cars, registration,

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Speaker 2: renewing licenses. It's a big impossible.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is our jails are full and you

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Speaker 1: know you say throw them in jail, well you know

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Speaker 1: they're wreck packed, down stacked and double stacked at that.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, maybe it's time the government thought

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Speaker 2: about or went back and reconsidered this decision not to

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Speaker 2: build another jail, because it's almost like you know, the

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Speaker 2: decision about whether they building new hospital or not many

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Speaker 2: years ago. Right, we know that there's a growing population

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Speaker 2: in South Australia. I think we will hit two men

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Speaker 2: within the next two or three years. The rate of

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Speaker 2: crime is increasing all the time. People going before the

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Speaker 2: courts are just queuing up by the day, and where

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Speaker 2: are you going to put them? You can't keep putting

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Speaker 2: them on home detention because that stretches other resources as well.

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Speaker 2: I think the government really need to revisit the fact

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Speaker 2: that South Australia is going to need another prison and

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Speaker 2: they're going to meet it because of a growing population

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Speaker 2: in the state.

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Speaker 1: All Right, somebody he Adrian says this is good. More

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Speaker 1: deaths on SA roads. Stupidity desperately needs a cure. That

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Speaker 1: sums it up.

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Speaker 2: Well, Look, I think the sad thing is that almost

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Speaker 2: it's becoming a daily occurrency gain where we're seeing fatalities

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Speaker 2: on our roads and quite we've got a lot of

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Speaker 2: irresponsible drivers on our roads and we need to do

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Speaker 2: something about it. But I'm really concerned about, you know,

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Speaker 2: the irresponsibility of adults who think it's okay so you know,

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Speaker 2: go somewhere with their kids, you know, in the back.

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Speaker 2: They are under sixteen years of age and they're under

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Speaker 2: the influence and risking not only their own life but

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Speaker 2: the lives of those kids. I mean, it's just outrageous.

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Speaker 1: All right. Just while I have you Cop thirty one

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Speaker 1: possibly in Adelaide, What do you think of that?

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Speaker 2: Great great moves and all credit to the government for

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Speaker 2: putting its hand up to bring you know, Look, it's

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Speaker 2: a significant event, Matthew. There's going to be a lot

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Speaker 2: of issues with it. It's going to cost a lot

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Speaker 2: of money because you're going to need aside from the

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Speaker 2: fact that you have so many heads of state and

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Speaker 2: others that have attended, something like thirty thousand will be

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Speaker 2: attending event if we have it, but you also have

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Speaker 2: the other added measure of security. Security is going to

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Speaker 2: be huge here. But I think we're capable of doing

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Speaker 2: it and shows that the state and city is growing

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Speaker 2: up and is a global leader in these things. So

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Speaker 2: I would look forward to it. It depends when it is

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six. We've got an election in that

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Speaker 2: year as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that'll be interesting, all right, Frank, appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Frank Pangelo, Independent Upper House MP. It moved to hit

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Speaker 1: people doing stupid things in cars, whether it's drink driving,

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Speaker 1: herning speeding with the increased fines and jail terms,