WEBVTT - The Bear back for season 5? Yes, Chef!

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<v Speaker 1>I don't look at decorative flowers on a play and

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<v Speaker 1>think yeah, I think congratulations on making that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure it was really hard. Can make some beef

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<v Speaker 2>and cheese immediately.

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<v Speaker 3>From The Australian. This is the weekend edition of The Front.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Claire Harvey. It doesn't sound like the premise of

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<v Speaker 3>a hit TV show. Following the suicide of his brother, Carmi,

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<v Speaker 3>a tortured chef returns home to Chicago to save the

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<v Speaker 3>family Italian beef sandwich business. Short King Jeremy Allen White

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<v Speaker 3>is the lead, alongside a cast of mostly lesser known stars,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet The Bear has become one of the biggest

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<v Speaker 3>shows on TV four seasons in with a fifth on

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<v Speaker 3>the way, It's swept awards, topped critics lists, and introduced

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<v Speaker 3>yes chef h into everyday vocabulary. Today entertainment reporter Jordie

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<v Speaker 3>Gray joins me to talk about how and why The

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<v Speaker 3>Bear has resonated with huge audiences and critics alike.

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<v Speaker 2>Hebra make sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't stop making fucking sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna make three sections.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, They're gonna be wet. Most of the action in

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<v Speaker 3>The Bear takes place at the Bear the restaurant that

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<v Speaker 3>is now Kami's joint, along with all the dirty dishes

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<v Speaker 3>and dodgy accounting his late brother Michael left behind. Krmi

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<v Speaker 3>is unhinged in a way we're used to chefs being

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<v Speaker 3>on TV.

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<v Speaker 1>The clocks are.

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<v Speaker 5>Require.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's not perfect, it doesn't go out okay.

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<v Speaker 3>His ambition and obsession is destructive, but it's also contagious Gradually,

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<v Speaker 3>Kami's motley caste of chefs led by Ao at every

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<v Speaker 3>Sydney a young Sioux chef with Michelin star dreams try

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<v Speaker 3>to turn this greasy institution into something great. There's tenderness

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<v Speaker 3>and laughs.

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<v Speaker 4>You cut vegetables like I'll be it, don't wipe your

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<v Speaker 4>hands on your apron chef.

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<v Speaker 3>Chest chef. But the road to success is naturally rough

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<v Speaker 3>and presented unsparingly.

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<v Speaker 4>I told you, I told you to be more fucking ready.

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<v Speaker 2>I told you that dish wasn't fucking ready. What does

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<v Speaker 2>this have to do with yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Stop stop?

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<v Speaker 2>As someone who has worked in.

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<v Speaker 3>Kitchens, Jordi Gray is the Australian's entertainment reporter.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's really accurate. I feel like that's

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<v Speaker 1>how chefs are. And then new clockoff and that kind

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the madness of the job.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you think they've learned to be like that or

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<v Speaker 3>is it like the crazy industry gives them permission to

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<v Speaker 3>like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's like gentle parenting at culinary school.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know whether that will change and we'll see

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<v Speaker 1>gentler chefs emerge in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the craziest thing you saw in a kitchen?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, everyone is angry all the time, right. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>working an ANTC day shift, not getting penalty rates because

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<v Speaker 1>everything is cash in hand and cutting my hand open

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<v Speaker 1>and then getting yelled at by the chef because there

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<v Speaker 1>was food to run.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a.

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<v Speaker 1>Tarantino movie, like the comical amounts of blood spurting and

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<v Speaker 1>just been yelled at.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like seventeen, and don't bleed on the food.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't bleed on.

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<v Speaker 2>The food, run the plates and what did you do?

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<v Speaker 2>Apologized for bleeding? Apologize profusely.

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<v Speaker 3>As a piece of television. Then, how successful has the

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<v Speaker 3>Bear been?

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<v Speaker 1>I have a theory on why it was so successful

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<v Speaker 1>so immediately, I think it was perfectly calibrated to hit

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<v Speaker 1>this pop culture sweet spot, which is very online millennials,

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<v Speaker 1>most of who probably have writing jobs, which isn't to

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<v Speaker 1>discredit like.

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<v Speaker 2>The quality of the Bear at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not denying that it is an absolutely excellent show.

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<v Speaker 3>You're saying it's for old people aged.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying it's the ancient thirty three year olds in

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<v Speaker 1>this world.

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<v Speaker 2>But it did arrive with this pre existing hype.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, Jeremy Allen White was on Shameless for like a

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<v Speaker 1>decade and he was the favorite character. But the supporting

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<v Speaker 1>Cluss has this kind of in built circuitry of very

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<v Speaker 1>niche fame. Marcus the Dessert Chef was a member of

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<v Speaker 1>Odd Future the Rap Crew sort of fronted by Tyler

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<v Speaker 1>creator Any Teenager Online in like the late two thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>And they were like the biggest steal ever.

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<v Speaker 1>So to see like, oh, the dude from Odd Futures

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<v Speaker 1>in a television show like that was immediate interest there.

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<v Speaker 1>Uncle Richie Evon muss Backrack played a very small but

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<v Speaker 1>very memorable and totally unbearable character in Girls, the Lena

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<v Speaker 1>Dunman Show, which is the most influential millennial show.

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<v Speaker 2>And Maddie Matheson, who plays Neil Thack.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like burly and beloved Handyman hosted a food show

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<v Speaker 1>on Vice called Munchies. So it's all these very small,

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<v Speaker 1>niche people. But when you read that this completely disjointed

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<v Speaker 1>group had come together, it's like automatically tapping into a

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<v Speaker 1>certain audience. It seeded the kind of low key cultural

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<v Speaker 1>recognition that built momentum.

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<v Speaker 5>Ah.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're saying it's sort of like a boy band,

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<v Speaker 3>so curated to hit a particular moment that this was deliberate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was curated amazingly. Yeah, I think, and very tastefully.

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<v Speaker 5>I know who you were, Oh yeah, yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 5>you're the most excellent CDC at the most excellent restaurant

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<v Speaker 5>in the entire United States of America. So what are

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<v Speaker 5>you doing here? I guess.

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<v Speaker 3>Making sandwiches. Jeremy Allen White is kind of an unlikely star,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't he. He's ridiculously handsome, and he's offside of Sydney

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<v Speaker 3>is this beautiful young woman who you can tell is

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<v Speaker 3>a deep lover of food, and yet her ideas are

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<v Speaker 3>crushed by Kami. There's a sort of romance at the start,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't there. She's obviously interested in him romantically.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't think he's interested in anyone romantically

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<v Speaker 1>until the Claire character resurfaces. I just don't think romance

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<v Speaker 1>is something that's on his radar. And I also think

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<v Speaker 1>it's really interesting that there's a show where there is

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<v Speaker 1>a male and female lead and they're both very attractive

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<v Speaker 1>and then not an item that's more interesting to me

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<v Speaker 1>than I will they won't they?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? And then Camie then starts kind of marginalizing her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's definitely is sidelined, and it's I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's out of spy. I just think it's out of

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<v Speaker 1>his pure obsession, yeah, for his craft, and he cannot

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<v Speaker 1>think about anything else outside his own ambition and leaves

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<v Speaker 1>just this trail of destruction.

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<v Speaker 3>And then you see this arc that Richie goes on

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<v Speaker 3>that's really interesting too, Richie the shouty, kind of messy cousin.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep, Richie Jeremolovich, pleasure to meet you, Sweeteart'll say, sweetheart,

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<v Speaker 4>your you're so wolf. I mean nothing by it, Sydney

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<v Speaker 4>saying Sweetheart's just part of our Italian.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, listen, I'm trying to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Then he discovers fine dining as well, like goes off

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<v Speaker 3>to do a stag at this restaurant run by Olivia Coleman.

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<v Speaker 2>Just put her on everything.

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<v Speaker 3>She's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd slice my hand open and apologize for Olivia Coleman.

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<v Speaker 3>So then Richie discovers the magic of fine dining and

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<v Speaker 3>food and serving people and then becomes an obsessive kind

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<v Speaker 3>of matre d.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. This show, unlike any others, is so good at

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<v Speaker 1>going into the lives of its peripheral characters, and you'll

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<v Speaker 1>just have these amazing standalone episodes like the one in

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<v Speaker 1>season three that was directed by Ao Debris, who plays Sydney,

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<v Speaker 1>and was focused on the character of Lisa and how

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<v Speaker 1>she struggled to find a job and then wound up

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<v Speaker 1>at the Beef of Chicago Land.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, where other productions try to do color line casting,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, and they'll cast a black woman as a

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<v Speaker 3>tudor princess bridgeton. Yeah, this show stars a Puerto Rican woman.

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<v Speaker 3>She's the working poor in America. Yeah, desperate for a job,

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<v Speaker 3>gets one at the Beef. Yes, and it saves your life, really,

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<v Speaker 3>And then it's about how she then discovers that she

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<v Speaker 3>can do more than just wash dishes or just be

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<v Speaker 3>aligned cooings.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it doesn't have to try that hard, because

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<v Speaker 1>that is ultimately what life is like. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's why people like the Bear so much. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the realism isn't just in the restaurants, but in the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional plausibility of it all. Like you believe these characters

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<v Speaker 1>and you care about what they're going through because they're

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<v Speaker 1>not so dissimilar to people you know and love in life.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a great episode in season three where Sugar is

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<v Speaker 3>giving birth. Oh do you remember this?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>So I didn't like that episode. Why Because I think

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<v Speaker 1>it indulged in all the bears worst impulses, which as

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of progressed, they've kind of gotten maybe too

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<v Speaker 1>experimental for what we want from television, which is like,

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<v Speaker 1>I like a driving narrative, and I think that these scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>these conversations work, but not for like.

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<v Speaker 2>A whole episode. It was full it was full on.

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<v Speaker 2>But why did you like it?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't like it the first watch, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>watched it. I forced myself to watch it again because

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<v Speaker 3>I think also, you know, childbirth scenes on screen can

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<v Speaker 3>just lean into a lot of you know, silly breathing

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<v Speaker 3>and sort of sweating and nice chips, but the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of layers of sort of need and emotion between these

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<v Speaker 3>two women as the child is becoming a mother, the

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<v Speaker 3>mothers struggle to relinquish her power and their daughter stepping

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<v Speaker 3>into hers is so carefully calibrated. And it's very similar

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<v Speaker 3>towards happening to Kami. Kami's emerging from being the little

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<v Speaker 3>brother and being the employee to being the boss and

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<v Speaker 3>the creator and the visionary and kind of realizing along

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<v Speaker 3>the way that he's none of those things, not capable

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<v Speaker 3>of any of it, you know. So I found it

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<v Speaker 3>very moving. But the episode with Jamie Lee curt Is

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<v Speaker 3>making the Christmas dinner is very hard to watch as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It's rare to see an older actress like Jamie Lee

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<v Speaker 3>Curtis be that ugly as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, she is one of our great criers, and I

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<v Speaker 1>always think about how, like, specifically American productions are filled

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<v Speaker 1>with people crying and they look beautiful and it's just

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<v Speaker 1>like a few tasteful tears, but she is just this heaving,

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<v Speaker 1>snotty mess and it's fabulous. It is.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up more of my chat with Jordie Gray, and

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<v Speaker 3>now it's been renewed for a season five.

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<v Speaker 1>It has been renewed for a season five, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was like a little teaser as to what direction it

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<v Speaker 1>may take. And I think it's going to focus on

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<v Speaker 1>franchising the original Beef of Chicago Sandwich Store, and that

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<v Speaker 1>might be the thing that gets the bear out of

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<v Speaker 1>financial trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>My heart sank a little bit when I saw it

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<v Speaker 3>would have been renewed for a season five, because I

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<v Speaker 3>really worry. Not many shows can be sustained over more

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<v Speaker 3>than two seasons.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it's so true, and this doesn't seem to

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<v Speaker 2>have a clear ending.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a threat at the end of season four that

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremielle and White's character Calm he might leave if he

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't get a Michelin star.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not sure about your My favorite catch

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<v Speaker 1>I certainly is not Krmi. I'm much more interested in

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<v Speaker 1>those he's surrounded by. So I think if it stops

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<v Speaker 1>being about Kami's ambition, then it could be a more

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<v Speaker 1>thrilling show.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's a new kind of show. Actually it's a

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<v Speaker 3>real ensemble, isn't it. Maybe this is a show where

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<v Speaker 3>actually the star can fade into the background and the

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<v Speaker 3>rest of them can pick it up.

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<v Speaker 2>I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what the show has been preparing for.

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<v Speaker 1>Life without Kami, Life without Kami.

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<v Speaker 3>Jordi Gray is the Australian's Entertainment report up. You can

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<v Speaker 3>read her writing every weekend in the Weekend Australian's Review

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<v Speaker 3>section and anytime at the Australian dot com dot auslash Review.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode of the Front was hosted by me Claire

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<v Speaker 3>Harvey and produced by Jasper Leak, who edited the episode

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<v Speaker 3>and also wrote our theme. Thanks for joining us on

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<v Speaker 3>the Front this week. Our team also includes Christian amyot Leat, Sammaglu,

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<v Speaker 3>Tiffany Dimack, Joshua Burton and Stephanie Coombs.