Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Good Evening Big Show tonight. The Albanese government accused of
Speaker 2: raiding the nation's nest egg to fund Labour's green dream
Speaker 2: and ideological whims from a future. Fund chairs have come
Speaker 2: out to condemn this misuse of money for pet causes.
Speaker 3: More on that shortly.
Speaker 2: Also tonight, the horrific rampage of anti Semitic vandalism in
Speaker 2: Sydney and how the Albanesi government has not lifted a
Speaker 2: finger over the past year. My take on this in
Speaker 2: a moment, and Federal Court Justice Michael Lee of Bruce
Speaker 2: Lehman Fame weighs in on this rise of anti Semitism
Speaker 2: in Australia.
Speaker 3: My exclusive on that a little later.
Speaker 2: But first tonight, this was distressing to wake up to today,
Speaker 2: the state of anti Jewish vandalism in Sydney. Overnight in
Speaker 2: the very streets where we live, eat and work, a
Speaker 2: car torched up to a dozen others spray painted, and
Speaker 2: a Palmer building a restaurant with anti Semitic graffiti. CCTV
Speaker 2: shows two hooded men in dark clothing and wearing face
Speaker 2: masks leeing leaving the attacks.
Speaker 3: Now this is how it unfolded.
Speaker 2: The evil captured on cameras not long after the attack.
Speaker 2: Now we don't know for sure who did this, but
Speaker 2: the graffiti PKK is coming was sprayed on some cars,
Speaker 2: a reference perhaps to a Kurdish terror group. Now this
Speaker 2: took place across several streets in Wallara, near a synagogue,
Speaker 2: also a Jewish care facility. Even Matt Moran's restaurant, Chiswick
Speaker 2: was spray painted. And he said today that there's no
Speaker 2: place for this in our community. This criminal anti Semitic
Speaker 2: violence is now too much, it's.
Speaker 3: Gone too far.
Speaker 2: But the Prime Minister's only response is a pathetic written
Speaker 2: statement where he said the conflict in Israel and Gaza
Speaker 2: shouldn't be brought to Australia, even though it's exactly what
Speaker 2: his ministers keep doing. Alberizi said there is no place
Speaker 2: for antisemitism in Australia. Conflict overseas cannot be made a
Speaker 2: platform for prejudice at home. He says he has trust
Speaker 2: in our law enforcement agencies to deal with this. But
Speaker 2: how can Albanezi expect the conflict overseas not to play
Speaker 2: out at home when his senior ministers keep making highly
Speaker 2: provocative statements against Israel, statements that don't keep the peace,
Speaker 2: that risk inciting anger and hatred against Israelis and Jews.
Speaker 3: Statements like this, You can't.
Speaker 1: Bomb your way to peace, you know.
Speaker 4: I think the last twelve months have shyness that the
Speaker 4: bombing has killed tens of thousands of people in Gaza,
Speaker 4: in Lebanon, more than a thousand people murdered in Israel
Speaker 4: as well.
Speaker 5: An estimate of one point seven million people in Gaza
Speaker 5: are internally displaced, and there are increasingly few safe places
Speaker 5: for Palestinians to go. What Australia would say is Israel
Speaker 5: must now exercise special care in relation to these civilians,
Speaker 5: and not doing so would have devastating consequences.
Speaker 2: Tony Burke, He's Home Affairs Minister, He's in charge of
Speaker 2: our safety and our national security.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Back in June, he posted on x about Islamophobia. He
Speaker 2: said that he's seen discussing examples of graffiti dehumanizing to
Speaker 2: Palestinians and other examples that are clear Islamophobia circulating online.
Speaker 2: Yet curiously nothing today on his ex account after last
Speaker 2: night's attacks. But why can't the Prime Minister tell his
Speaker 2: own ministers to stop aggravating tensions and potentially inflaming anti
Speaker 2: Semitism when already we're at such a dangerous inflection point,
Speaker 2: and according to Jewish leadership, it's only getting worse. The
Speaker 2: Executive Council of Australian Juries, Alex Rivkin says the anti
Speaker 2: Israel movement is now getting more extreme and more violent.
Speaker 2: He said, and I quote, it wasn't stopped at the
Speaker 2: Upper House steps, it wasn't stopped at the pro Hamas encampments,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't stopped at the hate preachers. Now Australians
Speaker 2: are waking up to find their property destroyed and their
Speaker 2: suburbs violated. And the night Leies front cover tonight compares
Speaker 2: what we saw in Sydney last night in Australia in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four with Vienna in nineteen thirty eight deja vu,
Speaker 2: it says, capturing the sentiment that so many Australians feel as.
Speaker 3: We watch this horror unfold now.
Speaker 2: In an interview this morning, both Ray Hadley and Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton so that Albin Ezy and Penny Wang we're to
Speaker 2: blame for not showing leadership against this anti Semitic violence.
Speaker 6: For months and months. The weak merely mouthed words out
Speaker 6: of the Prime Minister, I think have just given encouragement
Speaker 6: to these lunatics. Mister Albanezi has allowed it, and it's
Speaker 6: sent a very clear message that you know, we've got
Speaker 6: tolerance for a bit of anti Semitism, and the Prime
Speaker 6: Minister coming out today to condemn these attacks. Frankly, they're
Speaker 6: just hollow words and I think ultimately an insult somehow
Speaker 6: the Albanzi government, through Penny Wong and Anthony Alberizi somehow
Speaker 6: I think that this level of violence is okay. It's
Speaker 6: just not.
Speaker 3: As he says.
Speaker 2: The Albanezy government seems to have set a tone where
Speaker 2: there is tolerance for a bit of antisemitism. They don't
Speaker 2: seem to think it's a massive problem, but it is
Speaker 2: a massive problem. It is criminal and today police set
Speaker 2: up as strike force to track down the perpetrators, describing
Speaker 2: this as a hate crime.
Speaker 7: It is brazen, it is offensive. The behavior of the
Speaker 7: people who did it is disgusting. This incident is an
Speaker 7: isolated incident. Those vehicles, like I said, there were ten
Speaker 7: that were graffitied, and there were three premises and that's
Speaker 7: all that we have at the moment, and it hasn't
Speaker 7: been anything of this similar type of graffiti in recent times.
Speaker 2: Now, Like others, I took exception to that police description
Speaker 2: of this as an isolated incident, because it's certainly not
Speaker 2: an isolated incident. Her Maas has been spray painted on
Speaker 2: buildings across the East over and over again, not just
Speaker 2: in Sydney, but in mel Lyn as well over the
Speaker 2: past year.
Speaker 3: In Sydney's East in Bondai.
Speaker 2: A kosher kitchen, Missus Lewis's, was set alight in what
Speaker 2: police said was a suspected arson attack. They've been investigating
Speaker 2: for weeks still no update. Avner's Bakery in Surrey Hills
Speaker 2: was also vandalized, with a threatening note left under the door.
Speaker 3: No answers there either.
Speaker 2: You could be forgiven for thinking that the thugs just
Speaker 2: get away with this behavior. And Shadow Home Affairs Minister
Speaker 2: James Patterson today said that the fact that the law
Speaker 2: hasn't been enforced means that this violence is only escalating.
Speaker 8: I am concerned with the approach that they've taken across
Speaker 8: the country since the seventh of October. I think they
Speaker 8: have been too permissive with some of the behaviors that
Speaker 8: we've seen. It's astonishing to me that it took twelve
Speaker 8: months before the first charges were laid under federal legislation
Speaker 8: about the display of prohibited symbols, hate symbols like the
Speaker 8: Nazi swastika, like hesbaler and harm us flags. That law
Speaker 8: has been repeatedly flattered in our country, week in week out,
Speaker 8: in our major cities, and there have been no consequences
Speaker 8: for the people breaking that law, and as a result
Speaker 8: of that that become emboldened. I'm also concerned that our
Speaker 8: incitement to violence provisions have not been enforced because the
Speaker 8: message that extremists have taken from this lack of action
Speaker 8: and this failure to enforce the law is that there
Speaker 8: are no consequences for their behavior and that is why
Speaker 8: it's escalating.
Speaker 2: Excellent points as always from James Patterson. Now, as you know,
Speaker 2: just recently Benjaminette, Yahoo had to send planes to Amsterdam
Speaker 2: to rescue two thousand Jews. Well, now Israel's clearly concerned
Speaker 2: about what's going on in Australia, because the Israeli Embassy
Speaker 2: set in a statement that there needs to be and
Speaker 2: I quote immediate measures to protect and uphold the rights
Speaker 2: and safety of all citizens. Dave Sharma a Liberal senator
Speaker 2: stood beside Labor MP Josh Burns today and they spoke
Speaker 2: about how Jewish Australians are feeling under threat and how
Speaker 2: attacks like this are designed to intimidate.
Speaker 9: This is an attack that's designed to menace, intimidate and
Speaker 9: silence one group of Australians. Only it took place in
Speaker 9: the heart of Sydney's Jewish community and it has no
Speaker 9: place in Australia.
Speaker 10: This community of Australians.
Speaker 9: Jewish Australians have been feeling besieged and under threat for
Speaker 9: the past year and it simply has to stop.
Speaker 11: To target the Jewish community in Sydney in their homes
Speaker 11: and on the streets is antisemitism, plain and simple. And
Speaker 11: the sort of vandalism and the sort of violence we
Speaker 11: saw last night has no place in Australia.
Speaker 3: And they're right.
Speaker 2: This attack last night in the heart of where we
Speaker 2: live and work was purely designed to intimidate not just
Speaker 2: our Jewish community but all Australians. It's designed to bully
Speaker 2: Jews and those who support Israel into silence. But we
Speaker 2: won't let these thugs succeed. Yes, we demand better from
Speaker 2: police and from politicians, absolutely, but we won't be intimidated.
Speaker 2: We won't be scared away by anti Semites aligned with
Speaker 2: the far right, aligned with Islamic extremism, or with the
Speaker 2: radical hard left. These anti Semites who try to bully
Speaker 2: us on social media and on our streets, well, I
Speaker 2: say to you, you don't share the values of what
Speaker 2: it means to be Australian. Your hatred doesn't belong here.
Speaker 2: We refuse to be terrorized or scared into submission by brutal,
Speaker 2: rampaging thugs on our streets or by hateful, fraudulent feminists
Speaker 2: on social media. Stand proud, stay strong, And to those
Speaker 2: who spray paint f Israel, I say, the people of
Speaker 2: Israel live.
Speaker 3: I'm yes, rah el hi.
Speaker 2: Okay, We've got a lot to cover tonight, but I
Speaker 2: want to get reaction first from someone who was there
Speaker 2: this morning, who woke up on these streets to this graffiti.
Speaker 2: Elliott Spira joins me. Now, his building is on the
Speaker 2: same street in Wulara where.
Speaker 3: This attack took place.
Speaker 2: Elliott, thank you for speaking out, having the courage to
Speaker 2: be here despite those attacks overnight. Can you tell us
Speaker 2: about how you woke up to the news this morning.
Speaker 12: Yeah, I actually didn't realize what had happened. Overnight I
Speaker 12: woke up. I wasn't aware, but my wife got up
Speaker 12: to take care of our six month old. During the
Speaker 12: night there was commotion on the street.
Speaker 10: It woke them.
Speaker 12: She got him back to sleep, and this morning, after
Speaker 12: a bad night, I went to get his carrier from
Speaker 12: the car. Walking him down the street, I noticed some
Speaker 12: graffiti and I saw soon thereafter that it said f
Speaker 12: Israel right there the car outside my building. And I
Speaker 12: got to say, I was really disappointed, but not all
Speaker 12: that much surprised, because unfortunately this has become a reality
Speaker 12: for the Jewish community living here in Sydney, Australia, since
Speaker 12: October seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3: Exactly, you're right, and you know that.
Speaker 2: I think clearly the police have every intention. They've said
Speaker 2: that today they're putting a lot of resources into this.
Speaker 3: Particular strike force.
Speaker 2: But the police commander who stood up there and said
Speaker 2: this is an isolated incident, well, it's just wrong because
Speaker 2: this is now an established pattern of behavior. We had
Speaker 2: the convoys that went through the suburbs not that long ago.
Speaker 2: We've seen protests outside synagogues, we've seen extensive graffiti everywhere.
Speaker 2: But yet they can stand up there and say this
Speaker 2: is isolated.
Speaker 3: That's that's not how it feels to the community, is.
Speaker 10: It not at all?
Speaker 12: I mean, you only have to cast your mind back
Speaker 12: to two days after the greatest loss of Jewish life
Speaker 12: since Holocausts, October ninth, outside the Sydney Opera House, great
Speaker 12: symbol and icon of our city, and a hateful mob
Speaker 12: calling for effing the Jews. And I'll leave it to
Speaker 12: your interpretation whether it's gassing the Jews or not. But
Speaker 12: my opinion is it doesn't really matter. For a mob
Speaker 12: to have that much hatred towards any group of people
Speaker 12: inside Australia is just not on and it's on Australian
Speaker 12: and I think that the fact that it took over
Speaker 12: a year to actually do anything about it, and then
Speaker 12: the limited extent to which has been prosecuted, it doesn't
Speaker 12: fill the community with a lot of hope.
Speaker 2: And even the hate preachers the day before that they
Speaker 2: were just allowed to get away with saying they were
Speaker 2: related that the terror attacks should be incitement to violence.
Speaker 12: Absolutely, and it continues everywhere. It continues with politicians who
Speaker 12: have hollow words. But at the same time, I'm freeze
Speaker 12: funding fun and right, despite being complicit and actively involved
Speaker 12: in fact in the events of October seventh and everything
Speaker 12: that happens since you know, it goes to well, the
Speaker 12: labor government is doing some part of them, but it's
Speaker 12: just reality. Money is being taken, taxpayer money for social
Speaker 12: cohesion is going towards groups that actually support Hamas and
Speaker 12: full in terror.
Speaker 10: So it's shocking, it's totally ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Now you were actually living in Tel Aviv with your
Speaker 2: pregnant wife at the time that October seven happened. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, you left Israel because of the terror that
Speaker 2: was unfolding to make sure your new baby, just six
Speaker 2: months old, is safe, and now you're living on a
Speaker 2: street where this happens.
Speaker 12: We actually left just before we left, you know, two
Speaker 12: weeks beforehand, to come for my cousin's wedding, and very
Speaker 12: soon thereafter it happened, and it is truly shocking. Her
Speaker 12: family currently actually refugees from the north from a large
Speaker 12: city up there, Qhmuna, and they've been living in hotels
Speaker 12: in the center of the country for a very long time.
Speaker 12: It's quite a crazy situation. And yet here we are
Speaker 12: and the these events unfolding and despite living under Rocke
Speaker 12: fire there or having terrorist events occurring on not a
Speaker 12: regular basis, but often enough. Today's sort of hits differently,
Speaker 12: just feeling a lot more isolated and just disappointed because
Speaker 12: the community just feels like we're a very different group
Speaker 12: in Australia.
Speaker 2: In Israel, there's a lot of solidarity amongst all Israelis,
Speaker 2: regardless of religion, but unfortunately we're seeing this breakdown in
Speaker 2: social cohesion in Australia totally.
Speaker 3: Elliott, thank you for being here, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All Right, Well, we're going to come back to that
Speaker 2: a bit later on, but now let's talk about the
Speaker 2: Future Fund and to discuss I'm joined by Perth Mayor
Speaker 2: Basil Zemplus and commentator Jason Morrison.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
Speaker 2: Well, the Treasurer has rewritten the two hundred and thirty
Speaker 2: billion dollar Future Fund to prioritize investments in green energy,
Speaker 2: housing and infrastructure.
Speaker 3: Now, this is the.
Speaker 2: First time the federal government has actually mandated specific asset
Speaker 2: classes for the fund and we've seen it be widely criticized.
Speaker 2: Today the first Future Fund Chairman, David Murray, he's slammed
Speaker 2: the idea. He said it could jeopardize returns and also
Speaker 2: would risk the fund's independence. Now the Treasurer Jim Chalmers disagreed.
Speaker 2: Here's what he ought to say.
Speaker 13: But David Murray is not on this occasion correct. He
Speaker 13: is factually wrong to make the comments that he is making.
Speaker 13: Fund will be required to consider the national priorities in
Speaker 13: its investment decisions where possible, where appropriate, and consistent with
Speaker 13: strong returns.
Speaker 2: But Opposition leader Peter Dutton was furious about this change
Speaker 2: to the Future Fund.
Speaker 3: Here he was in Parliament.
Speaker 14: Labor is now rating the nation's nestig to cover its
Speaker 14: economic failures.
Speaker 10: Prom minis to wire Australian's.
Speaker 14: Paying for the Albansi government's economic incompetence basil.
Speaker 2: Now, this was always going to be a controversial move.
Speaker 2: The idea of using an independent and body for political purposes.
Speaker 3: Do you think this is concerning?
Speaker 1: Independent is the keyword here.
Speaker 15: The Future Fund was set up some time ago to
Speaker 15: look after the future generations of Australians and in particular
Speaker 15: safeguard their superannuation, to make sure that subsequent generations of
Speaker 15: Australians can be looked after and know that their savings
Speaker 15: are safe. So independence being the key word means it
Speaker 15: is not for the government of the day of whichever persuasion,
Speaker 15: to be meddling and suggesting to the board that they
Speaker 15: make certain investments in particular priority areas of the government
Speaker 15: of that day infrastructure, green energy, new technologies. As it
Speaker 15: turns out in this instance, and if Jim Chalmers is
Speaker 15: absolutely right, well they would be investing in these things anyway,
Speaker 15: because we know the Independent Board's priority is to maximize returns.
Speaker 15: So let the Independent Board do what they do best.
Speaker 15: They'll find the winners. It's not for government to be
Speaker 15: directing them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, and we saw that.
Speaker 2: You know, Peter Costello as well has come out in
Speaker 2: a lengthy interview with The Australian. He said that the
Speaker 2: Future Fund was never set up to be a political
Speaker 2: slush fund to finance, as you say, Basil, the whims
Speaker 2: of the government of the day, Jason. You know, I
Speaker 2: think the moment that Greg Combey came in replacing Costello,
Speaker 2: there was always a risk that something like this was
Speaker 2: going to happen.
Speaker 16: Yeah, they put one of their boys in who had
Speaker 16: no track record at all in running a fund of
Speaker 16: this caliber.
Speaker 10: And look what's happened.
Speaker 1: It's become a plaything.
Speaker 16: The thing that frightens me about this is that to
Speaker 16: have charmers who really in life in business has achieved
Speaker 16: that tell someone like Murray and criticized Costello, and criticize
Speaker 16: the fund for that matter, that what eighteen years ago
Speaker 16: started with about fifty billion in the bank and has
Speaker 16: now for around two to twenty billion. It doesn't make
Speaker 16: losses as well, it does very very well, and it
Speaker 16: is well ahead of the tide of its obligations of
Speaker 16: four or five percent growth. It's doing exceptionally well and
Speaker 16: its job. And here's this bloke that's done not very
Speaker 16: much in his life other than outside of politics, telling
Speaker 16: them how they should do things and what investments they
Speaker 16: should dip their investment eyes towards. I find it staggering,
Speaker 16: but I find the arrogance of the man to be
Speaker 16: more legue.
Speaker 1: And no one is really shocked.
Speaker 16: This is what labor does, because labor has a habit
Speaker 16: of doing what it can with its institutions in order
Speaker 16: to achieve its outcome. And we've seen that for really
Speaker 16: generations in this country.
Speaker 10: But this is a step too far.
Speaker 16: And if he was so wise about these kind of investments,
Speaker 16: you've got to stop and wonder why isn't.
Speaker 10: The government doing it itself.
Speaker 16: And there's a good damn reason for that is because
Speaker 16: the returns are simply not there and the money is
Speaker 16: not there, so leave the super fund alone.
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is going to continue to be
Speaker 2: a big issue. It could even become a pivotal election issue.
Speaker 2: So we're going to keep following this. Now, social media
Speaker 2: giants could be slapped with a fifty million dollar fine.
Speaker 2: This is under the new proposed legislation by the Albaneze
Speaker 2: government to make sure that under sixteens are not on
Speaker 2: social media sites. So any company that systematically breaches the
Speaker 2: age verification laws would face this financial penalty. Now, not
Speaker 2: everyone's on board with this. Independent Senator Jackie Lambee was
Speaker 2: on Sky earlier. She criticized Labor for not providing the
Speaker 2: actual draft legislation.
Speaker 3: Have a look.
Speaker 5: It is absolutely despicable.
Speaker 17: How serious is the government that they want this rough
Speaker 17: and we haven't even seen a draft? You know that
Speaker 17: would I want to do? Just put it in there
Speaker 17: without us looking at it. I'm sorry, but there might
Speaker 17: be things where what can make amendments make it even better?
Speaker 17: And same with other people out they're making those amendments
Speaker 17: to make it better.
Speaker 3: We'll give us the bloody draft now.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk has also criticized this on X. He said,
Speaker 2: and I quote, seems like a backdoor way to control
Speaker 2: access to the Internet by all US Australians. Now, Basil
Speaker 2: Mask's point, and there's actually a correction on how bit
Speaker 2: Easy's ex post that says the legislation will require age
Speaker 2: verification of all users, including adults, to use social media.
Speaker 2: We don't know necessarily if this is true because we
Speaker 2: haven't seen the legislation. But Basil, if that is true,
Speaker 2: do you think it's going too far?
Speaker 1: I think it is at the moment.
Speaker 15: By the way, you can give your date of birth
Speaker 15: to X, and I think that allows you to be
Speaker 15: fast tracked when you might be trying to see certain
Speaker 15: types of contact that have some sort of limitations on it.
Speaker 15: So that already exists. But it's an opt in or
Speaker 15: opt out. If it was mandatory, then it is going
Speaker 15: a step too far. But I am in the camp
Speaker 15: that says, listen, we've wanted to bring social media usage
Speaker 15: under control for our younger people for some time. We've
Speaker 15: spoken about it. Now here, we are trying something I
Speaker 15: wouldn't like the pile on that's happening right at the
Speaker 15: moment to go on unfettered, because we've got to give
Speaker 15: something a go, and we know these giants can do
Speaker 15: stuff if they need to, if they really want who
Speaker 15: they can, Let's give it a try and see how
Speaker 15: it works out. But Jackie Lamby is right, she should
Speaker 15: be able to see the legislation.
Speaker 1: We should all be able to see it well, Jason.
Speaker 2: It's also unclear how social media platforms are meant to
Speaker 2: police this.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Look, I differ with you, Basil on this. I do
Speaker 16: the parenting in my household. I control it now before
Speaker 16: I left here control.
Speaker 3: The parenting, Jason.
Speaker 2: I know your wife, Heidi, and I'm sure she would
Speaker 2: disagree with your coadens that you do all the parenting.
Speaker 1: We control it.
Speaker 10: I mean I control I tell you the parenting I control.
Speaker 1: Here is a thing.
Speaker 16: You pull it out and they can't. They can't play
Speaker 16: on it anymore. That's how you're in control of it.
Speaker 16: And I think you know I would like the government
Speaker 16: to solve the problem we have with the kids fighting,
Speaker 16: or with the lot of other things going on. But
Speaker 16: the fundamentally comes back to a point it's your job.
Speaker 16: And I don't think that the solution here is to
Speaker 16: find a government solution.
Speaker 10: I'm got a twelve year old who.
Speaker 16: Can find his way around anything, and the only thing
Speaker 16: he can't find his way around is me pulling the
Speaker 16: thing out of the wall. That's the only thing he
Speaker 16: can't stop yet. And you know, and I think it's
Speaker 16: sort of at the stage now where we can go
Speaker 16: and hope there's a solution here, and we can go
Speaker 16: and pray that the government gets the policy things right.
Speaker 10: But you're down to kids who have a desire.
Speaker 16: To want to do something, and you don't have to
Speaker 16: go too far in life to find that. Kids find
Speaker 16: their way around their parents' rules all the time. And
Speaker 16: you know, right now there's fourteen year old sitting in
Speaker 16: parks drinking grog and they.
Speaker 1: Are it and bought it.
Speaker 3: Illegally as well.
Speaker 1: They will always find a way.
Speaker 16: The only thing that will stop it is by parents
Speaker 16: doing their job, not by relying on Elon Musk's coding
Speaker 16: or by Anthony Albanesi's legislation.
Speaker 10: And I just think this is such an.
Speaker 16: Art of waste of time, and I hope it falls
Speaker 16: down because I do have the concerns that have been
Speaker 16: expressed that we're giving them a little inch here and
Speaker 16: you know what will happen next, And I don't trust.
Speaker 2: This mob all right, A bit of debate about that
Speaker 2: still to come.
Speaker 16: But thank you for setting me straight on the pairing too.
Speaker 3: That's very important.
Speaker 10: So we've saved a brawl.
Speaker 1: That was obvious, Jason, that was obvious.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that definitely needed an intervention from me, a correction.
Speaker 3: Live on it now.
Speaker 2: Just lastly, this is really tragic this news coming out
Speaker 2: of Layos today. One of two Melbourne teenagers on life
Speaker 2: support who had been poisoned on a night out has
Speaker 2: sadly died. This is nineteen year old Bianca Jones. She
Speaker 2: was supposed to be on the trip of a lifetime
Speaker 2: with her best friend Polly. The two reportedly had their
Speaker 2: drinks laced with methanol. Absolutely every parent's worst nightmare, Basil.
Speaker 1: It's so shocking, isn't it.
Speaker 15: I mean, here we are, Jason and I are paiding
Speaker 15: various methods of parenting and I think we all accept
Speaker 15: we're all coming from a good place. And then there
Speaker 15: are some parents in Melbourne who no longer have their
Speaker 15: teenage daughter because of this absolute tragedy, a heinous crime,
Speaker 15: whether accidental or otherwise, just absolutely horrific. And we send
Speaker 15: our young kids overseas. It's a bit of a rite
Speaker 15: of passage. We want them to go and discover the world.
Speaker 15: We tell them to be careful, We teach them as
Speaker 15: much as we can, but you can't be in control
Speaker 15: of every situation. These kids doing what so many Aussie
Speaker 15: kids have done, and we're in the wrong place at
Speaker 15: the wrong time. Our heart goes out to them, their families,
Speaker 15: their friends, their loved ones, and it just breaks your heart,
Speaker 15: doesn't it. I mean, it is such an Australian thing
Speaker 15: to have gone and done, and that one of them
Speaker 15: will not be coming home. It's almost incon incomprehensible and
Speaker 15: utterly heartbreaking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it truly is really devastating.
Speaker 2: All right, Basil zamplus Jason Morrison, thank you both very
Speaker 2: much for your shame. Now, just before we go to
Speaker 2: a break, we've been talking a lot about antisemitism. Now
Speaker 2: you might remember Justice Michael Lee. He presided over Bruce
Speaker 2: Lohman's defamation trial. He rose to prominence in that role.
Speaker 2: He has tonight made a major intervention in our social
Speaker 2: cohesion crisis. He says that we need to shine a
Speaker 2: light on antisemitism. This is an exclusive story I'm bringing
Speaker 2: you right now.
Speaker 3: Justice Michael Lee has.
Speaker 2: Given me a copy of a speech that he's delivering
Speaker 2: tonight where he says we need to shine a light
Speaker 2: on antisemitism when we need to.
Speaker 3: Reflect on its cause.
Speaker 2: He says Justice Michael Lee that since the October seven
Speaker 2: terror attacks against Israel, he's had a stark and discomforting
Speaker 2: realization that despite living our whole lives in this country
Speaker 2: and thinking we knew it so well, we do not
Speaker 2: now recognize an aspect of it.
Speaker 3: Those are his words.
Speaker 2: He says, the growth and mainstreaming of antisemitism we've all
Speaker 2: seen emerge over the last thirteen months must be tackled,
Speaker 2: but understand how it is to be tackled requires some understanding.
Speaker 3: Of how we got to where we are now.
Speaker 2: He quotes in his speech the Racial Discrimination Act. It's
Speaker 2: about to reach its fiftieth anniversary, and he makes the
Speaker 2: point that Jewish people are protected from discrimination and vilification
Speaker 2: under the Act because the laws provide that they can
Speaker 2: be classified as an ethnic group. But he goes on
Speaker 2: to say, but the law has gone and will only
Speaker 2: go so far, no one in this room would be
Speaker 2: under any misapprehension as to the scope of the present problem.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: He also says that good leadership can make a difference
Speaker 2: on anti Semitism, and he mentions in his speech that
Speaker 2: he's on the board of an institute at the Western
Speaker 2: Sydney University, and he says that despite this university having
Speaker 2: the largest Muslim population of any university in Australia, he says,
Speaker 2: I was pleased to see it has had no encampments
Speaker 2: and the leadership of the university spoke out promptly and
Speaker 2: firmly against and his midic speech that's worth me mentioning
Speaker 2: that Justice Michael Lee is not Jewish, but his wife is,
Speaker 2: and he's giving this speech tonight probably as we sit
Speaker 2: here and speak to the Jewish House fundraiser in Sydney.
Speaker 2: He laments the generation that's now going through Australia's education
Speaker 2: system and he says, I do not think it contentious
Speaker 2: to remark that what this community and all non Jews
Speaker 2: of goodwill need to confront is a deep and profound
Speaker 2: challenge how to educate and communicate effectively with a generation
Speaker 2: exposed to a system producing an apparently significant number of
Speaker 2: future leaders whose lack of a traditional Western historical education
Speaker 2: is matched by their sense of self righteous self righteousness
Speaker 2: and their willingness.
Speaker 3: To sprout slogans. We just know that too well.
Speaker 2: His final message is that he encourages every person of
Speaker 2: good will to spread their light. He said that everyone
Speaker 2: can do their best to combat the dark forces that
Speaker 2: have emerged by shining a light on the problem together.
Speaker 2: So huge, look, congratulations. We have to commend Justice Michael
Speaker 2: Lee for using his position. He's very popular in the
Speaker 2: media industry and with the public.
Speaker 3: He's now intervened in.
Speaker 2: The social cohesion crisis to stand up against anti Semitism,
Speaker 2: and I say thank you to Justice Michael Lee for that.
Speaker 2: Now still to come, we return to those scenes of
Speaker 2: antisemitic vandalism with a former FBI counter terrorism expert and
Speaker 2: Penny Woe grilled on our revelations last night that she
Speaker 2: acted against the advice of her own bureaucrats. Plus why
Speaker 2: Chris Bowen is so ideologically opposed to nuclear.
Speaker 3: Energy, All of that is coming up.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, well, Chris Bowen's ideological opposition.
Speaker 3: To nuclear that's coming up in a moment.
Speaker 2: But first, Penny Wang was grilled in the Senate today
Speaker 2: about why she rejected the recommendation of Australian diplomats at
Speaker 2: the United Nations and instead supported the one sided motion
Speaker 2: recognizing Palestinian sovereignty. This was my exclusive story last night.
Speaker 2: I revealed that Wog went against a recommendation made by
Speaker 2: Australia's mission to the United Nations which suggested that we
Speaker 2: abstain from this resolution.
Speaker 3: Or here was Pennywog being pressed on this today?
Speaker 18: Did defact or Australia's UN mission recommend that Australia maintain
Speaker 18: a position of abstain on the UN resolution regarding permanent
Speaker 18: sovereignty of the Palestinian people? Why did you overturn their recommendation?
Speaker 5: The guide is consistent with the priority the Albanese government
Speaker 5: mark places on building momentum towards a two state solution.
Speaker 5: The vote in favor of this solution by Australia was
Speaker 5: alongside more than one hundred and fifty five members of
Speaker 5: the international community, including the United Kingdom, Germany, France, Japan
Speaker 5: and New Zealand.
Speaker 2: YEP, she couldn't really answer the question on why she
Speaker 2: did not follow the recommendation of our diplomats well to.
Speaker 3: Discuss this and more.
Speaker 2: I'm joined now by the director of counter Terrorism and
Speaker 2: Intelligence Program at the Washington Institute and former FBI analyst,
Speaker 2: Matthew Levett.
Speaker 3: Matthew, thank you very much for joining me.
Speaker 2: Look, what's your view on Australia supporting this resolution that
Speaker 2: was described by American officials as one sided and not
Speaker 2: conducive to the peace process.
Speaker 19: Look, as a former US government official, I'm sensitive to
Speaker 19: the fact that you want to follow the advice of
Speaker 19: your experts, that you pay good money to work on
Speaker 19: these issues. So it's telling if your un staff, if
Speaker 19: you're a staff at DEFAT is give you certain advice.
Speaker 19: I understand the desire of people who want to try
Speaker 19: and find a way to move forward from the past
Speaker 19: year plus of trauma on both the Israeli and Palestinian sides.
Speaker 19: I just am not sure that pressing for recognition of
Speaker 19: a Palestinian state in the moment does it, because it
Speaker 19: just comes out of a parallel universe. There's no one
Speaker 19: to lead that Palestinian state, not Hamas, which is still
Speaker 19: fighting in Gaza, not Mahudabas which barely he barely.
Speaker 10: Controls the government in Romala.
Speaker 19: What we need to do is to find ways to
Speaker 19: isolate Hamas, create something in Gaza that does not include Hamas,
Speaker 19: get that local Palestinian self rule established security for Israel.
Speaker 10: I am not giving up on the idea of a
Speaker 10: two state solution.
Speaker 19: I just recognize that's a twenty year prospect at this point,
Speaker 19: and failure to recognize that reality doesn't contribute to stability
Speaker 19: in the moment.
Speaker 10: It actually makes it less likely.
Speaker 19: Because israelities in particular, we'll look at you and just
Speaker 19: want to know what universe are you coming from?
Speaker 2: Why are you rewarding Hamas for October seven because nothing's
Speaker 2: changed since then for any long to have this position. Now,
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about you know, these deplorable
Speaker 2: scenes that we saw in Sydney overnight where cars and
Speaker 2: buildings were vandalized, clearly anti Semitic attacks.
Speaker 3: This is an escalation of intimidation. We haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Enough leadership in Australia over the past year, like in
Speaker 2: many global cities. You know, there've been protests outside synagogues also,
Speaker 2: they've been defaced. As a counter terrorism expert, what do
Speaker 2: you think needs to happen in Australia right now to
Speaker 2: avoid scenes like this escalating look, I think.
Speaker 19: It's really important for authorities to see this for what
Speaker 19: it is. You know, even if you were against Israel
Speaker 19: and Israeli policies, this kind of stuff against Israel targeting
Speaker 19: local Jewish citizens is not opposing Israel. It's opposing these
Speaker 19: local Jewish citizens, and law enforcement has to take that seriously,
Speaker 19: whether it's as a.
Speaker 10: Hate crime or something else.
Speaker 19: There's a role for law enforcement to get involved, not
Speaker 19: only once it happens, but in advance. And community policing
Speaker 19: isn't only about making the victimized community feel better after
Speaker 19: it happens. It's about going out and finding where this
Speaker 19: happened and making sure that the people involved in understand
Speaker 19: we're going to be enforcing the law.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 19: Have the opportunity a couple of days ago in Melbourne
Speaker 19: to speak at the Australia New Zealand Police Conference on
Speaker 19: a panel on the impact of October seventh on policing.
Speaker 19: It wasn't unique to Australia and New Zealand. This is
Speaker 19: truely the United States or elsewhere, and this was part
Speaker 19: of my message to them that you have an opportunity
Speaker 19: to be part of the solution, but we have to
Speaker 19: enforce laws we have to make clearity communities what those
Speaker 19: laws are. Something like this cannot go without a real
Speaker 19: serious response.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're absolutely spot on them.
Speaker 2: There have not been anywhere near enough arrests, barely any
Speaker 2: related to this sort of behavior. Just finally, you're quite
Speaker 2: an expert on Hesbala, You've written a book on the
Speaker 2: terrorist group.
Speaker 3: We've seen reports.
Speaker 2: Over the past couple of weeks that there could be
Speaker 2: some sort of ceasefire deal between Israel and Hesbela and Lebanon.
Speaker 2: Doesn't look like that's going to eventuate now, not because
Speaker 2: of the Israel side of it.
Speaker 3: Where do you see this headed?
Speaker 19: So thank you for mentioning my book. The Australia version
Speaker 19: comes out in a week and a half.
Speaker 10: Thank you very much.
Speaker 19: Look, I think that there will be a ceasefire. Whether
Speaker 19: it happens right now or not is not yet determined. Hakstein,
Speaker 19: the US diplomat was in Lebanon, now he's in Israel.
Speaker 19: Hasbela even weighed in on it. There is a situation
Speaker 19: where Hesbela has been so pummeled that they desperately want
Speaker 19: a ceasefire. This ceasefire will come with a sixty day
Speaker 19: window to make sure that everybody's doing what they're supposed
Speaker 19: to do.
Speaker 10: It's not going to be perfect.
Speaker 19: It's going to be trying to enforce UN Security Council
Speaker 19: Resolution seventeen oh one that ended.
Speaker 10: The last one was that never enforced.
Speaker 19: And so while there's no prospect of a better UN
Speaker 19: Security Council resolution because of the makeup of the Security Council,
Speaker 19: this time around it has to be enforced.
Speaker 10: And the Israelis are on top of them making.
Speaker 19: Clear if the Lebanese armed Forces or perhaps the UN
Speaker 19: contingent there UNIFIL fail to prevent Hasbala from coming in,
Speaker 19: the Israelis are going to do what they need to
Speaker 19: do to protect their citizenry and they're going to prevent
Speaker 19: Hesbla from coming back to that border.
Speaker 10: But there's a real opportunity for.
Speaker 19: A ceasefire, mostly because Israel created that opening by cutting
Speaker 19: Hasballa off at the knees, checking.
Speaker 3: Out the leadership.
Speaker 2: We need a UN resolution against the UN for failing
Speaker 2: to enforce seventeen oh one.
Speaker 3: Since two thousands.
Speaker 10: We can count on them to do that, all right, Matthew.
Speaker 3: Lovitt, really appreciate your time and your expertise.
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having.
Speaker 2: Me now Coming up after the break is the world
Speaker 2: embraces nuclear energy? Lay the content he News to argue
Speaker 2: against the technology. Bowen accused now of a catastrophic mistake. Well,
Speaker 2: what this means for labor with my panel Gary Hargrave
Speaker 2: and Graham Lloyd Next, welcome back with the battle over
Speaker 2: nuclear energy has hit new heights after Chris Bowen rejected
Speaker 2: a new agreement to speed up the deployment of the technology.
Speaker 2: This decision has been labeled by experts a catastrophic, strategic mistake,
Speaker 2: crazy and disappointing. Environment Minister Tanya Plibasek is trying to
Speaker 2: defend the decision, claiming that Libs keep pretending nuclear is
Speaker 2: wildly popular overseas.
Speaker 3: It's not nuclear?
Speaker 2: Is that its lowest share in forty years of energy?
Speaker 2: Globally more reactors are closing than opening. Well to fact
Speaker 2: check this, let's bring in Sky News contributor Gary Hargrave
Speaker 2: and associate editor at The Australian Graham Lloyd. Graham starting
Speaker 2: with you you make of tinya pluviusx comments and Chris
Speaker 2: Bones move here.
Speaker 20: Well, it's an extraordinary thing, Charion. It's really an illustration
Speaker 20: of where politics gets in the way of common sense
Speaker 20: and good policy. What we're talking about here is an
Speaker 20: agreement at the cutting edge of nuclear research to develop
Speaker 20: these small reactors, and it's something that Australia has been
Speaker 20: involved in for the best part.
Speaker 10: Of the last decade.
Speaker 20: We have a very sophisticated nuclear apparatus here out at
Speaker 20: Lucas Heights and Anstowe. They've been feeding into these programs.
Speaker 20: That program is being updated and rather than admit that
Speaker 20: Australia has something to do with developing these nuclear plants
Speaker 20: that may be deployed elsewhere in the world, Chris Bowens
Speaker 20: pulled us out. And really it's shortsighted, both diplomatically and
Speaker 20: certainly from a scientific and research point of view.
Speaker 2: And also you know, in terms of getting to a
Speaker 2: net zero position, which the government says at once to do. Gary,
Speaker 2: isn't Australia now increasingly out of step with our counterparts
Speaker 2: international countries, like minded nations.
Speaker 21: Sarry I got to say, I think the average Australian
Speaker 21: has got it worked out.
Speaker 1: They know this bloke Bowen is an idiot.
Speaker 21: They not Tania Plivsek is also a sovereign risk, and
Speaker 21: they're blaming the Prime Minister. We are completely out of
Speaker 21: step with all forms of common sense. The price of
Speaker 21: electricity is going to continue to rise the longer we
Speaker 21: say no to having nuclear as part of the mix.
Speaker 21: It's as simple as that wind and sunshine is not
Speaker 21: going to cut it, not going to produce the baseload
Speaker 21: we need. We're just going to end up with diesel generators,
Speaker 21: very very expensive diesel generators filling up the gap like
Speaker 21: we saw in South Australia. What was that twenty sixteen.
Speaker 21: This is an experiment. The only country in the world
Speaker 21: that is committed to going as as full on renewable
Speaker 21: as Australia is Australia. We are idiots, and well Australians
Speaker 21: aren't idiots, The government are idiots, and the sovereign risk
Speaker 21: is real. We're not going to be able to have
Speaker 21: a future made in Australia if I haven't got an electricity.
Speaker 21: This is like selling the seysil without being able to
Speaker 21: cook the sausage.
Speaker 1: This is ridiculous.
Speaker 21: What they're doing is really ridiculous.
Speaker 2: One of Labour's main arguments against nuclear is the expanse
Speaker 2: is how much it's going to cost.
Speaker 3: But one leading.
Speaker 2: Energy expert told my colleague Chris Kenny last Night that
Speaker 2: the transition to renewable energy under Labour's plan could cost
Speaker 2: six hundred billion dollars.
Speaker 22: Have a quick look, if it was being done on
Speaker 22: time and at the scale that was necessary, it would
Speaker 22: be that I suspect we're going to need a little
Speaker 22: bit more than that as we look to firm up
Speaker 22: even beyond that that the thesis, the AMO thesis, has
Speaker 22: been that solar and renewables and hydro with batteries could
Speaker 22: get us there. But I think we're all admitting now
Speaker 22: that we're probably going to struggle in the twenty thirty period.
Speaker 2: Graham Lloyd, do those estimations of cost six hundred billion
Speaker 2: dollars from Matt Rainy sound about right to you?
Speaker 20: Well, certainly that is the findings of some research by
Speaker 20: Frontier Economics, and they've looked at the whole system cost
Speaker 20: of trying to achieve what the government is saying now.
Speaker 20: In the past, the government's only really admitted to a
Speaker 20: small part or fraction of what's involved. And now when
Speaker 20: you put it all together with the transmission lines and
Speaker 20: firming and other things, the numbers that are coming out
Speaker 20: are astronomically high. And as the interview showed there this
Speaker 20: is a conservative estimate. That's if everything goes right, and
Speaker 20: what we know is that everything certainly will not go right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an extraordinary cost, isn't it, Gari And we
Speaker 2: don't know the full extent of it.
Speaker 3: You know there's no transparency here.
Speaker 21: Well, there's no transparency for sure, but it's actually fourteen
Speaker 21: hundred billions point four trillion dollars involved in the duplication
Speaker 21: of the transmission lines and then down to the poles
Speaker 21: and wire. I mean, we saw what Chris Willman put
Speaker 21: to here on Sky just the other night. That is
Speaker 21: a compelling documentary that should be seen by any thinking Australian.
Speaker 21: Any grand parent or pairent that hasn't shown it to
Speaker 21: their children should queue the kids up to see it.
Speaker 21: This is the inconvenient reality that Chris Bowen doesn't want
Speaker 21: you to look at. So I'm actually saying to you
Speaker 21: it's more like two trillion. Isn't it interesting? You know
Speaker 21: that the Future Fund is now going to be tapped
Speaker 21: for infrastructure.
Speaker 1: What they mean is poles and wires. So the two
Speaker 1: hundred and.
Speaker 21: Thirty billion sitting in that that's going to go off
Speaker 21: to this sort of stuff. I think we are in
Speaker 21: a fearful problem right now and Australians all thinking Australians
Speaker 21: should rightly get angry at this government. They are hell
Speaker 21: bent on dragging this country back to pre colonial times.
Speaker 21: We will not have the kind of industrialized future that
Speaker 21: we need based on where they're taking us, because we
Speaker 21: won't better make anything in Australia, will be reliable on
Speaker 21: everybody overseas, and even agriculture is going to suffer as
Speaker 21: a result. Show It's just devastating when you think about it.
Speaker 2: Just very quickly, just thirty seconds gramload before we go.
Speaker 2: We're seeing another union, the United Workers Union, threatening to
Speaker 2: strike one thy five hundred employees. I mean if work
Speaker 2: stops at the four distribution centers in Victoria, New South
Speaker 2: Wales Supermarket and Liquor Star, shelves were being told could
Speaker 2: be bare this Christmas.
Speaker 20: Well, it's really HARKing back to the passes and or
Speaker 20: back to the future where we have strikes and pay
Speaker 20: rise demands and things there really haven't been a big
Speaker 20: feature over recent years. From reading reports here, workers were
Speaker 20: concerned that they are going to be monitored too much
Speaker 20: on the workplace, but what they should be concerned about
Speaker 20: is being replaced by robots.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that is a problem as AI develops, all right,
Speaker 2: Gary Hargrave gram Woyd, thank you both very much for
Speaker 2: your time. Thanks Now, communities in northern New South Wales
Speaker 2: feel abandoned by the government, so much so that an
Speaker 2: international aid organization that's helping in Ukraine has had to
Speaker 2: step in.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you more on that after the break.
Speaker 2: Well, from fire to floods, our regional communities are often
Speaker 2: hit by natural disasters and one international NGO, smart Aid,
Speaker 2: is now using its integrative, cutting edge technology to come
Speaker 2: to Australia to help with relief efforts, particularly in the
Speaker 2: New South Wales northern Rivers and in southeast Queensland. Shakha Zahavi,
Speaker 2: who's the co founder of smart Aid, joins me. Now, Shakha,
Speaker 2: welcome to Australia.
Speaker 3: Now, can you tell.
Speaker 2: Us why you've decided to come here to help our
Speaker 2: regional communities.
Speaker 14: Thank you for having me. I'm here because we have
Speaker 14: an office here, smart Aid Australia, which is managed a
Speaker 14: great board member including Alethia Gold, and we're here to
Speaker 14: basically bring in technology to improve and provide humanitarian aid
Speaker 14: to communities and distress both in Australia and across the Pacific.
Speaker 2: So how will this work? Because you've got a smart
Speaker 2: aid trailer. So you know, one of the problems that
Speaker 2: we've seen when there's severe flooding or fires in our
Speaker 2: regional communities is that often, you know, the telecommunication goes down,
Speaker 2: people are in distress, they can't contact emergency services.
Speaker 3: They literally can't get through on the phone.
Speaker 2: Tell us how this smart aided trailer will help?
Speaker 14: Okay, the way that smart trailer helps, and we have
Speaker 14: more than a few of them in America and in
Speaker 14: other places. The idea of the smart trailer it's a
Speaker 14: telecommunications solar trailer that can reach in remote areas and
Speaker 14: basically provides support to both first responders as well as
Speaker 14: the communities. The way that we do it is we
Speaker 14: reach to a community that was affected by floods by
Speaker 14: wildfires and help them to tap in in a way
Speaker 14: that they can access internet, reach out to their relatives,
Speaker 14: reach out to government officials to request and receive support
Speaker 14: with the first responders. What we do is we help
Speaker 14: them basically coordinate their efforts because they need to charge
Speaker 14: their telecommunication systems and unfortunately, in the first few weeks
Speaker 14: in disasters. Not in Australia and globally, there's no access.
Speaker 14: There's no access to electricity, no access to telecommunications, clean water.
Speaker 14: So that's what we're doing. That's our advantage.
Speaker 2: It's extraordinary to think that, you know, we're our first
Speaker 2: world country in Australia and we actually need an international
Speaker 2: aid organization to help us in these areas.
Speaker 3: And you know, we've.
Speaker 2: Got a lot of regional viewers on Sky News and
Speaker 2: I know they'll be thinking, why can't the government do
Speaker 2: something like this? It's extraordinary. Now, Shakhah, you've been there
Speaker 2: right from day one virtually helping Ukrainians. Can you tell
Speaker 2: us what you've been giving to help innocent people who've
Speaker 2: been so affected by Russia's invasion.
Speaker 14: Well, with Ukraine, we're still there. We arrived about three
Speaker 14: days after and started providing solar total communications. We installed
Speaker 14: starlink systems across the border so people can access the internet.
Speaker 14: We're currently we have a variety of programs. We have
Speaker 14: about three hundred smart classes that allowing Ukrainian children to study,
Speaker 14: and shelters so they're going to be able to continue
Speaker 14: their studies. We provide solar panels and solar off grid
Speaker 14: generators in hospitals on the East. I just came back
Speaker 14: from Katki from eastern Ukraine. And what we do is
Speaker 14: we put it inside the hospitals. They provide. They basically
Speaker 14: allow doctors to provide medical treatment, do surgeries when they
Speaker 14: finish a finish a.
Speaker 2: Surgery important the next such important work, especially in Ukraine, Shakhaza,
Speaker 2: how do you really appreciate you joining us and being
Speaker 2: here in Australia. Now that's it for me. Thank you
Speaker 2: for watching this week. I'll see you on Monday at
Speaker 2: eight o'clock.
Speaker 3: Right now, here's Paul Murray