WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 29 May

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<v Speaker 1>Lately. Welcome to the late Bad, Well Good evening and

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm James Macpherson with Freyerlitch and filling in for Caleb

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<v Speaker 2>Bond who's just hosted Paul Murray Live. Caroline Marcus coming

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<v Speaker 2>up tonight. We all saw the French president's wife shove

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<v Speaker 2>him in the face, but now a lip reading expert

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<v Speaker 2>reveals what she said to him right after that incident.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get to that shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, when we look at what's making news tomorrow, a

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<v Speaker 2>radical imam apologizes to Jews and then in the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Breath calls for all oppresses to be killed.

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<v Speaker 2>And a man narrowly escapes death after accidentally taking his

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<v Speaker 2>wife's euthanasia medication. All of that shortly, but first, working

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<v Speaker 2>from home, at least part time is at least as

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<v Speaker 2>productive as working in the office. That's according to a

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<v Speaker 2>new report from the Productivity Commission that was released this week.

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<v Speaker 2>The report found that people working from home take less

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<v Speaker 2>sickies and are less distracted. They also report a higher

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<v Speaker 2>level of job satisfaction, which then begs the question, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening to productivity in this country? Because it's going down. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the productivity Commission says it's nothing to do with people

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<v Speaker 2>working in their pajamas from home. It's just the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the employers aren't providing enough new technology. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>equipping staff with the means to have greater output.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Working from home is obviously contentious because the Coalition went

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<v Speaker 2>to an election and lost promising to put public servants

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<v Speaker 2>back into the office. So does this settle the matter?

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<v Speaker 2>The Coalition lost an election on this issue. The Productivity

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<v Speaker 2>Commission say working from home doesn't affect productivity? Is the

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<v Speaker 2>debate finally over? Is working from home here to stay?

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<v Speaker 3>Freyer Well, I think it definitely is here to stay

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<v Speaker 3>in some form, and now that we've got hybrid work arrangements,

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<v Speaker 3>I think they're too entrenched to really wind back.

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<v Speaker 4>But I would say that I probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Disagree with this Productivity Commission study on a few levels.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, one, with economics, you can kind of make

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<v Speaker 3>modeling say whatever you want it to say if you

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<v Speaker 3>use the right data. But also it is true business

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<v Speaker 3>investment has been going down for the last twenty years, really,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have seen a dramatic fall in productivity since COVID.

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<v Speaker 3>It's down about five point seven percent from its peak. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>when you hear stories of public servants working from home

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<v Speaker 3>but actually going on caravan rides around Australia and then

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<v Speaker 3>you see that huge collapse in productivity, it does make

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<v Speaker 3>you wonder. Surely, I know some people are super productive

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<v Speaker 3>at home, but on the whole there have to be

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<v Speaker 3>some people that are just raughting the system. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>my issue with working from home.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what, you don't have to be working from

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<v Speaker 5>home to rule the system. And I think we all

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<v Speaker 5>know people in the workplace, you know, present company, people

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<v Speaker 5>in the workplace who take the piss frankly and slacking

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<v Speaker 5>off and really are dragging it down for everyone else.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think those are the same people who, if

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<v Speaker 5>you put them in a home environment, are going to

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<v Speaker 5>rut the system even further. I mean, aside from this report,

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<v Speaker 5>I know from my own personal experience is having young children,

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<v Speaker 5>I've often had to do some of what I can

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<v Speaker 5>do in this job, whether it be research or writing

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<v Speaker 5>up pieces for the website or a lot of you

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<v Speaker 5>know work that goes behind the scenes in a television job.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm able to do that from home, and it's often

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<v Speaker 5>means I'm up late but I can be there for

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<v Speaker 5>the bedtime for the kids where possible, and it is

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<v Speaker 5>a godsend. And I think for young families who do

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<v Speaker 5>not have a choice except to be working at the

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<v Speaker 5>time where they've raising their children, because who can afford

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<v Speaker 5>not to these days, it is an absolute blessing. And

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<v Speaker 5>my husband often does it and helps out, and he's

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<v Speaker 5>absolutely not slacking off. So I hope long continue. I'd

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<v Speaker 5>like to be public servants, not wrought the system. I

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<v Speaker 5>think a lot of them probably are. And it's a

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<v Speaker 5>shame that the coalition's policy on this went down like

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<v Speaker 5>a lead balloon, because in many respects I think it

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<v Speaker 5>was It was good because I think for a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of people there's no excuse they can easily be in

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<v Speaker 5>the workplace.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to argue that you and your husband, wonderful people,

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<v Speaker 2>are the exception. I think most people slack off when

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<v Speaker 2>they're working with that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Not what they actually found.

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<v Speaker 4>And I know.

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<v Speaker 2>Lies and statistics, right, and if you're slacking off at

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<v Speaker 2>the office, I agree. There's a lot that slack off

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<v Speaker 2>at the office, but it's easier to slack off at home,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think.

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<v Speaker 5>But in some respects, you want to prove yourself even

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<v Speaker 5>more you want to continue to have that privilege. I

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<v Speaker 5>mean not if you're in the public service and your

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<v Speaker 5>sort of your salary is you know you've got it

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<v Speaker 5>on some kind of tenure, you're like locked in. That's

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<v Speaker 5>the problem with the public service. The problem is also

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<v Speaker 5>that it's taxpayer funded, so we there needs to be

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<v Speaker 5>accounted there. But if you're working for a company, if

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<v Speaker 5>I'm working for a network like scut, if I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>producing stories, I'm eventually not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 5>hold my job. So I think people have to prove

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<v Speaker 5>themselves even more when they're working from home.

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<v Speaker 2>In some respect, I still think if you're a boss,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have the right to say, if I'm paying you,

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<v Speaker 2>then I want you here not there, and that's my right.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm paying the wages.

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<v Speaker 2>If you don't like it, go work somewhere else. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think this issue is over by a long shot.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's part of my issue with it. When people

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<v Speaker 3>see it as a right more so than a privilege.

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<v Speaker 3>You should have to earn the privilege, prove that you're

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<v Speaker 3>capable of being productive at home, and then you get

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<v Speaker 3>that opportunity.

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<v Speaker 5>It's not just productivity, though this report found that it

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<v Speaker 5>also increased job satisfaction and actually, yes, well you're not

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<v Speaker 5>stuck and it's not just the pajamas, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know what's with you and your pj's very very close

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<v Speaker 5>to them. But it's also the commute who wants to

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<v Speaker 5>be stuck in people that is a huge problem, being

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<v Speaker 5>able to pick up your kids from school, if you're

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<v Speaker 5>a working mum. It's all those factors. Job satisfaction rated

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<v Speaker 5>really highly and I can understand why for all those reasons.

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<v Speaker 5>And it's so difficult to retain good employees for bosses

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<v Speaker 5>these days, especially when you're looking at millennials and younger,

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<v Speaker 5>so why not continue?

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess one of the challenges is that women

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<v Speaker 3>are often asked to work two jobs in the home,

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<v Speaker 3>that's one full time job and then out of the

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<v Speaker 3>home at work. So working from home does allow young

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<v Speaker 3>families to integrate them a little.

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<v Speaker 5>Hopefully the men are also working yea, some kids.

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<v Speaker 3>I am moving on now let's look at the childcare sector.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's fair to say that childcare in Australia,

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<v Speaker 3>certainly the peak body has been well and truly captured

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<v Speaker 3>by the woke left, and I think this story perfectly

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<v Speaker 3>sums it up. The National Early Learning Regulator has issued

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<v Speaker 3>new guidance to childcare workers saying they should ask for

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<v Speaker 3>consent from babies and preschoolers while changing their nappies, taking

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<v Speaker 3>them to the toilet, and even playing with them. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what kind of babies and toddlers these

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<v Speaker 3>guys are dealing with, but the idea not really that

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<v Speaker 3>their children that young even know what consent or even

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<v Speaker 3>decision making really is. I'm pretty sure they just have

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<v Speaker 3>natural impulses and then act. I mean, this just shows

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<v Speaker 3>that even the childcare regulator has been captured by this

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<v Speaker 3>left wing language of we need to create a culture

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<v Speaker 3>of consent.

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<v Speaker 4>What does that even mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Glad to say, Caroline, I'm now a convert to work

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<v Speaker 2>from home. Why would anyone want to put their kid

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<v Speaker 2>in a childcare center when this is the sort of

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<v Speaker 2>nonsense they go on.

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<v Speaker 5>It hasn't just been in childcare centers and when two

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<v Speaker 5>young kids. I've come across this. In the last few years,

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<v Speaker 5>there's been this huge push and a huge movement in

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<v Speaker 5>gentle parenting, which I'm largely I never thought i'd be

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<v Speaker 5>like that, having been spat myself as a child would

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<v Speaker 5>be the product of top parenting. But I now subscribe

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<v Speaker 5>to this gentle parenting, but not the permissiveness. You still

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<v Speaker 5>need to have firm boundaries, and kids need to have

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<v Speaker 5>firm boundaries. They need to know that you're the adults.

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<v Speaker 5>You're not their friend asking them for permission to parent

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<v Speaker 5>and do your role. But the funny thing is, James,

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<v Speaker 5>I'll often say to my three year olds or oh,

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<v Speaker 5>can mummy do your hair? And she'll be like no,

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<v Speaker 5>and I'll say, well, that was a rhetorical question. I'm

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<v Speaker 5>doing your hair.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my problem with this, right, because if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to teach consents, so you should ask for the baby's

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<v Speaker 2>consent before you change the nappy. So clearly baby has

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<v Speaker 2>a pooey nappy, and so you say, I'm about to

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<v Speaker 2>change your nappy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Now the baby can't speak, let alone give consent, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're supposed to read I don't know the facial expression.

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<v Speaker 2>So your hope to god the baby doesn't break wind

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<v Speaker 2>at that moment. Otherwise you interpret that as a no.

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<v Speaker 2>But that if the baby sort of signals no, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want my nappy.

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<v Speaker 1>Change, do you leave.

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<v Speaker 5>That would be negligent, you know exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, actually, here's my point though, So you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to change the nappy after the baby's indicated no.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, now you're teaching them that no doesn't mean no.

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<v Speaker 5>That is a really good point. However, I do see

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<v Speaker 5>the idea behind this. I mean, you're not just teaching

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<v Speaker 5>them about I don't think this is the right way

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<v Speaker 5>to do it for you. Don't give me that look,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, I do understand that because we have

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<v Speaker 5>had a real issue with child abuse in this country,

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<v Speaker 5>and it happens often from trusted No, don't no, you're right,

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<v Speaker 5>You're right, it happens often from trusted places, including in

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<v Speaker 5>childcare centers, you know. Shockingly, I don't think it's all

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<v Speaker 5>together a terrible thing to teach children that their body,

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<v Speaker 5>they have agency of their bodies from a pretty young age.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been trying to do that as well, in a

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<v Speaker 5>way that isn't like woke and just you know, ideological

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<v Speaker 5>theater as one person has called it, with.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't to workers have to go to the toilets. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's always got to be two workings things of.

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<v Speaker 3>Cour of course, we obviously don't want that happening. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think the problem here is it looks like the

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<v Speaker 3>childcare regulator itself has gone woke. So if you look

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<v Speaker 3>at the early Learning framework, that is essentially the curriculum

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<v Speaker 3>they're supposed to be teaching in childcare centers, explicitly stated

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<v Speaker 3>within that framework is that educators need to promote diversity, equity,

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<v Speaker 3>and inclusion, and it essentially embeds critical race theory into

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<v Speaker 3>daycres by saying they need to critically.

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<v Speaker 4>Engage with world views and biases.

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<v Speaker 5>I think you'll just look after the care. I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>you're going to have a real shop when you have

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<v Speaker 5>kids and they go to daycare, preschool prayer, because I

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<v Speaker 5>tell you they do a version of Welcome to Country

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<v Speaker 5>pretty much every day. And I'm not just talking about

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<v Speaker 5>my kids, like I'm talking about prayers. It's pretty much standard. Now,

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<v Speaker 5>just one more.

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<v Speaker 1>Question on this.

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<v Speaker 2>How do they police it? Like, how do they then police?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you change that baby's nappy without consent?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, how are they going to police exactly?

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<v Speaker 5>This works when the child is nonverbal. As soon as

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<v Speaker 5>they can say no, you have to drop this straight away.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's go to Victoria.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been talking all week about netball in Victoria after

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<v Speaker 2>a Victorian netball league banned two transgendered players.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the players were.

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<v Speaker 2>Banned one of them after footage made the rounds on

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<v Speaker 2>the Internet of a female player being thrown to the

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<v Speaker 2>ground after bumping into the transgendered play. Now, I must

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<v Speaker 2>say the transgendered play didn't throw her to the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>but she obviously fell pretty hard after coming into contact

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<v Speaker 2>with the transgendered play. Now, this story, unsurprisingly and that

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<v Speaker 2>video has gone right around the world, and the transgendered

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<v Speaker 2>player has become pretty upset. It's goppt a fair bit

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<v Speaker 2>of flack for it, and has made this statement. This

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<v Speaker 2>won't be a long novel, the transgendered player wrote on

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<v Speaker 2>social media, because frankly, these bigots don't deserve my time

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<v Speaker 2>or energy. Melton South Football Netball Club and your netball

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<v Speaker 2>coordinator players, this is the team that wanted to boycott

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<v Speaker 2>the transgendered players team. You're in total to your opinions,

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<v Speaker 2>But let's clear some things up. Your head coach tried

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<v Speaker 2>to recruit me to play for your club. Yes, your

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<v Speaker 2>head coach tried to recruit me. Now, a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>points on this. First of all, I can understand to

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<v Speaker 2>an extent, the frustration of the transgender player, because there

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<v Speaker 2>are all these weird rules for some sports you're allowed,

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<v Speaker 2>some sports you're not. In one league, this transgendered player

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<v Speaker 2>was banned, but then in another league, the transgendered player

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<v Speaker 2>was permitted to play. So that would breed a level

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<v Speaker 2>of frustration. And second of all, whether you agree with

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<v Speaker 2>the transgendered player or not, a pile on online can

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<v Speaker 2>be very hurtful, and so I could understand why that

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<v Speaker 2>transgendered player would react.

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<v Speaker 1>No one, no matter who you are, wants a pile

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<v Speaker 1>on online.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're a biological man playing netball against women,

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<v Speaker 2>should you really be crying fairl and saying, oh, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>being bullied.

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<v Speaker 1>That's sort of a bit rich, is it not.

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<v Speaker 5>Look I agree with a lot of the first part

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<v Speaker 5>of what you're saying, and having covered this issue extensively,

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<v Speaker 5>including a Skyinese documentary call fair Game The Fight for

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<v Speaker 5>Women's Sport available and full online, now I can say

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<v Speaker 5>that I think the real issue is with the clubs

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<v Speaker 5>and the policies, and as you said, the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>they're so confused and conflicting that even within one kind

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<v Speaker 5>of sport or code, you have different policies at different levels.

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<v Speaker 5>The elite level has one policy. Amateur levels might allow

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<v Speaker 5>transgender players, whereas elite levels don't. Whereas you think, how

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<v Speaker 5>is it any you know, more fair or safe? In fact,

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<v Speaker 5>it should be even less safe for women who are

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<v Speaker 5>not elite athletes to have to compete against biological mals.

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<v Speaker 5>So I feel for this transgender player, but at the

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<v Speaker 5>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Heart, I mean, just as a normal human being, you

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<v Speaker 2>know this isn't fit.

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<v Speaker 5>I never said it wasn't I did a whole documentary.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a transgendered perpose.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know. I don't think so that's my child.

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<v Speaker 5>They absolutely don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's pretty clear from the post.

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<v Speaker 3>They feel like they're the ones that have been victimized,

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<v Speaker 3>which if there's an Internet pylon, I totally understand.

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<v Speaker 4>But I also think, even if there are.

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<v Speaker 3>Conflicting rules in different sports codes, if you know you

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<v Speaker 3>were a biological male, if the images that we just

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<v Speaker 3>showed you so clearly depict you as having a huge

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<v Speaker 3>physical advantage, and by the way, this player has played

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<v Speaker 3>in a men's team before, would you not demonstrate the

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<v Speaker 3>good sportsmanship and just go I might identify woman, I

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<v Speaker 3>might identify as a female, but for the purposes of

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<v Speaker 3>playing sport, it is only fair that I am in

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<v Speaker 3>the male category.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the fair part. But one of the funny.

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<v Speaker 3>Things and about this was in the post, the transgender

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<v Speaker 3>athlete tried to say that essentially this was all just

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<v Speaker 3>kind of payback from the opposing team because she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>join their team. And then she says that they're now

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<v Speaker 3>hypocritical for calling her out. But I'm like, I totally

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<v Speaker 3>get the coach on the other team wanting to recruit

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<v Speaker 3>them to their team, because if I knew there was

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<v Speaker 3>a biological mail on the other side, I want them

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<v Speaker 3>on my team.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it goes back to the rules, right, If you're

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to recruit.

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<v Speaker 5>Then why wouldn't you exactly exactly I mean, speaking of

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<v Speaker 5>transgender issues, there's this huge another uproar in the States.

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<v Speaker 5>You might remember Dylan Mulbainy. Now I don't know what

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<v Speaker 5>pronounces to use anymore, guys. He She and the transgender

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<v Speaker 5>model activist who started this bud Light commercial a few

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<v Speaker 5>years back that led to a huge backlash against the

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<v Speaker 5>beer company. It's sales dropped thirty billions of dollars. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>now Dylan has again this time in a fragrance ad

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<v Speaker 5>for Jean Paul Gautier. You wouldn't believe this. The product,

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<v Speaker 5>the perfume is called feminity feminity, not femininity feminity, and

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<v Speaker 5>it is all about how it is most the peak,

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<v Speaker 5>peak feminine, peak feminine product to make women feel as

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<v Speaker 5>feminine as possible.

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<v Speaker 4>It is so frustrating.

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<v Speaker 3>And what I find even more annoying about this is

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<v Speaker 3>that the model of femininity that Dylan Mulvainy displays is

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<v Speaker 3>actually extremely sexist. So during his TikTok transition, he've logged

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<v Speaker 3>it every day gave an update about his transition, and

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<v Speaker 3>this is one example of the kinds of things he

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<v Speaker 3>would post about what it's like to be a woman.

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<v Speaker 6>Day four of being a girl, and I am exhausted.

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<v Speaker 6>The hair, the makeup, the clothes, the heals. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>lot to keep up with and I need to learn

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<v Speaker 6>early on that those things do not make me a girl.

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<v Speaker 6>It's what's in here that matters. And I actually didn't

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<v Speaker 6>shave my face today because I was like, Gil, even

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<v Speaker 6>with your facial hair, you're a girl. And even though

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<v Speaker 6>I'm having it removed, women can have facial hair.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay. Well, I mean that's entirely confusing, is okay, it's

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<v Speaker 5>a being a girl apparently, Frayer, it's all about having

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<v Speaker 5>hair and makeup. But apparently it's not being a girl.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not being a girl, because having a beard can

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<v Speaker 5>you can still be a girl. But it's on the

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<v Speaker 5>inside what counts. But not on the inside down there,

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<v Speaker 5>and not the hormones or the chromosomes.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I wish he would actually look on the inside

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<v Speaker 3>and tell us, Dylan, what is actually there, because it's

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<v Speaker 3>a whole bunch of male chromosomes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's my question that this perfume. Who is it being

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<v Speaker 2>marketed to? Is this marketed to women or is it

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<v Speaker 2>marketed to men with gender dysphoria? But I do know this,

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<v Speaker 2>I know what that perfume smells like. Smells like bud light.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what it smells like.

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<v Speaker 5>No one who's it smells like failure go broke. And

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<v Speaker 5>companies never seem to learn it. But they will. Although

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<v Speaker 5>it is a different product. It's not aimed at blokey blokes.

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<v Speaker 5>It has aimed at a fresh and crowd. I guess

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<v Speaker 5>who might be more open to the sort of cost.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking of people not learning lessons. Let's go to the

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<v Speaker 2>US where universities you would have thought learned something from

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<v Speaker 2>all the pro Palestinian anti Semitic rallies that have taken

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<v Speaker 2>place on their campuses and gotten their houses in order,

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<v Speaker 2>but they haven't done that. Columbia has given lip service

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<v Speaker 2>to what went on. Harvard has steadfastly refused to do

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<v Speaker 2>anything to protect their Jewish students, and so US President

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump has taken action. He's withheld about three billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars worth of funding from Harvard. He said that Harvard

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<v Speaker 2>aren't allowed to bring students from overseas at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>until further notice. But now the US administration has extended

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<v Speaker 2>that action regarding foreign students, with Marco Rubio tweeting the

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<v Speaker 2>US will begin revoking visas of Chinese students, including those

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<v Speaker 2>with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in

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<v Speaker 2>critical fields. That comes a day after US embassies around

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<v Speaker 2>the world were advised to hit pause on approving visas

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<v Speaker 2>for foreign students to travel to the US while the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump administration decided how they would expand vetting of prospective

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<v Speaker 2>students social media accounts. This is a massive step when

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<v Speaker 2>you consider foreign students a five point nine percent. I

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<v Speaker 2>think it is of the nineteen million tertiary students in

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<v Speaker 2>the United States. Harvard, it's worth a lot of money

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<v Speaker 2>to these universities. And the Trump administration is now saying

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<v Speaker 2>we are hitting pause on all foreign students. As you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine, the unis are up in arms, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into this. But my first point would be it

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have to happen. If the universities had taken responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>for making sure they had students not activists, students not radicals,

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<v Speaker 2>that Trump administration would not have had to step in exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>And Trump made it very clear that unless they took

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<v Speaker 3>concrete action to address the anti semitism and hand over

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<v Speaker 3>the details of all the international students that Harvard was enrolling,

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<v Speaker 3>he was going to cut their funding. This has been

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<v Speaker 3>clear for months. He also made these same demands of

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<v Speaker 3>a bunch of other universities, all have either complied or

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<v Speaker 3>are currently negotiating with the Trump administration. What Harvard has

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<v Speaker 3>done is sue Trump, and obviously he does not well,

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<v Speaker 3>he's not afraid of illegal battle, that's for sure, and

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<v Speaker 3>so he's just gone bring it on. And it looks like,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there are some interesting legal questions and constitutional

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<v Speaker 3>questions around the First Amendment? Is this presidential overstep? Does

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<v Speaker 3>he have the authority to do this? But I think

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of the exact legalities of all of this, we

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<v Speaker 3>can all appreciate what Trump is trying to do. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think the way he's doing it and just saying

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<v Speaker 3>hang on a second, American universities were founded to build

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<v Speaker 3>this nation. The only thing they are building now is

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<v Speaker 3>a generation of student activists who fundamentally hate the country.

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<v Speaker 3>The facts he's cracking down on that, I say, good

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<v Speaker 3>on him.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, look, I think it's going to be a real

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<v Speaker 5>problem for the survival of universities in America because, like here,

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of them depend on the financial the finances

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<v Speaker 5>that they get from international students.

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<v Speaker 1>I could stop paying their advice chancellors.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean that's one thing that America has more

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<v Speaker 5>than a million foreign students, and that includes forty five

0:21:43.160 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 5>hundred Australians. So what happens to all of those? And

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I do agree with you, because I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's gone. It's become completely ridiculous, both in the US

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<v Speaker 5>and here, where these activists are basically allowed to run

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<v Speaker 5>complete riots over these campuses and do whatever they want,

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<v Speaker 5>and the university just say contact and academic freedom and

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<v Speaker 5>you know, freedom of speech. Suddenly they believe in freedom

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<v Speaker 5>of speech when it comes to these issues. So I

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<v Speaker 5>do like that something is being done about it. I

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<v Speaker 5>just don't know if other people will get caught up

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<v Speaker 5>in the in the wash with a new administration. What

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<v Speaker 5>happens if another Biden administration, Biden style administration comes in,

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<v Speaker 5>then what will your social media activity? What will what

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<v Speaker 5>won't be allowed? Then? Will it be the opposite? Will

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<v Speaker 5>you have to be pledged some sort of far.

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<v Speaker 2>Left woke It's got all over it, right, But I

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<v Speaker 2>think Trump is facing realities, whether it's in the teriff situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you might not agree with the terrorists, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>facing the reality. The US have got massive deficit issues,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's illegal aliens not. Everyone is happy with the

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<v Speaker 2>ways dealt with it, but there's a massive problem. And

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to activists coming into the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not just the enemies without, it's the enemies within.

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<v Speaker 2>And will there be some short term pain, Absolutely there

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<v Speaker 2>will be, But you pay at one point or another. Right,

0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 2>you either pay now by taking strong action or you

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:14.600
<v Speaker 2>just let things drift and you pay a greater price later.

0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:16.400
<v Speaker 2>And Trump is a sort of guy who's saying I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not afraid of some short term pain to address some

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<v Speaker 2>major issues.

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<v Speaker 3>And just interestingly on that before we move on, the

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<v Speaker 3>Trump administration is also announced that they are going to

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<v Speaker 3>start aggressively revoking the visas of Chinese international students. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this is particularly interesting for Australia. As a recent graduate

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<v Speaker 3>of Sydney University and someone who was involved in campus politics,

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<v Speaker 3>I can tell you this stranglehold that the CCP has

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<v Speaker 3>on a lot of Chinese students around the world is

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<v Speaker 3>really frightening for us, for our country, but also for

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<v Speaker 3>those students themselves. Now, by law, they have to cooperate

0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 3>with NASH with Chinese intelligence gathering, so it puts them

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<v Speaker 3>in a really tough spot, especially when they're participating in

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<v Speaker 3>critical research. So it's interesting to see Trump.

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<v Speaker 5>But what gives you the idea that it's a lot

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<v Speaker 5>of Chinese students that has a strangle hold on I

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:09.280
<v Speaker 5>know that there's obviously the Confucius institutes that were cracked

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<v Speaker 5>down on. I've done stories about how the CCP infiltrates

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.239
<v Speaker 5>Chinese language schools, but I don't think it's fair to

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<v Speaker 5>tar all Chinese students, or even international students more widely,

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<v Speaker 5>because so many come from Asia. I mean I did,

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<v Speaker 5>I was an international student. I just don't think it's

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<v Speaker 5>I think a lot of them are non political and

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<v Speaker 5>they're just coming here for the pure experience of having

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<v Speaker 5>an education in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>The challenge is under China's National Intelligence Law, all Chinese

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<v Speaker 3>citizens are obligated to cooperate with national intelligence gathering.

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<v Speaker 5>So we get rid of all Chinese Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course not we shouldn't blanket anyone with this, but

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<v Speaker 3>that's just the reality. And the other reality is that

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of the students that come here come from

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<v Speaker 3>very wealthy, elite Chinese families. And the main way to

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<v Speaker 3>move up in a in a society you have to.

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<v Speaker 4>To a certain extent participate.

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<v Speaker 3>In the political structure, which involves being close with the CCP.

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<v Speaker 3>So naturally, the students you're getting here, for example, Jijiping's

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<v Speaker 3>daughter went to Harvard. That's the caliber of people that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, These are a that we have done in society.

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<v Speaker 5>And also Australia, not be called exactly, and I don't

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<v Speaker 5>think that's fair, but I think if it wasn't for

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<v Speaker 5>the wealthy Chinese, in Australian particular, we would not have

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<v Speaker 5>our universities. Australians wouldn't be able to attend on a

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<v Speaker 5>highly subsidized fee for local students.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, the problem is not Chinese people. The

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<v Speaker 2>problem is the Chinese Communist.

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<v Speaker 5>Part, of course, a stranglehold over them. I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>probably so.

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<v Speaker 3>Moving on now, there's a really interesting and concerning case

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<v Speaker 3>in Georgia where a woman who has been pronounced legally

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<v Speaker 3>dead is being kept on life support while a baby

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<v Speaker 3>or her baby Jess states, and she continues to be

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<v Speaker 3>pregnant with the baby, so doctors hope that when she's

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:10.199
<v Speaker 3>about thirty two weeks pregnant, they will be able to

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 3>safely deliver the baby and then the mother will be

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<v Speaker 3>taken off life support. Now this is causing a big stir,

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<v Speaker 3>with pro abortion advocates saying she is being forced to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Pregnant against her will.

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<v Speaker 3>She's not giving consents because she's obviously legally dead. But

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<v Speaker 3>then others argue, well, if there's a chance to save

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<v Speaker 3>the baby's life, isn't that a good thing that can

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<v Speaker 3>be Perhaps the positive legacy out of this woman's life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm personally with the latter, and I think, well, if

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<v Speaker 3>there's a chance to save a human life, then why not.

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<v Speaker 1>The woman was.

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<v Speaker 2>Eight weeks pregnant when she was declared brain dead. In Georgia,

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<v Speaker 2>the law says that abortions are illegal after six weeks,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the law, although the attorney general says it's

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<v Speaker 2>got nothing to do with abortion laws at all. He

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<v Speaker 2>says turning off life support doesn't therefore isn't done in

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<v Speaker 2>order to procure an abortion. The two are completely separate issues.

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<v Speaker 2>But have listened to the woman who will be the

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<v Speaker 2>grandmother when the baby is born. Keep in mind, there

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.320
<v Speaker 2>is concerns that this baby may well be born with

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<v Speaker 2>certain disabilities. The family say they will love the baby.

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<v Speaker 2>They just argue that it should have been their choice,

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<v Speaker 2>not the states, as to whether or not the baby

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<v Speaker 2>is born.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a listen, my grandson may be blind, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I be able to walk wheelchair.

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<v Speaker 5>Bout we don't know if he'll live once.

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<v Speaker 1>She hasn't.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm not saying that we were to chose to

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<v Speaker 5>terminate her pregnancy. What I'm saying is we should have

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<v Speaker 5>had a choice.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't see any reason why you would not allow

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<v Speaker 2>this unborn baby the opportunity to be born and have

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<v Speaker 2>a life.

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<v Speaker 5>Why wouldn't you, Well, the family do want, would have

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.920
<v Speaker 5>made that choice regardless, But I don't think it should

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<v Speaker 5>be an issue for the state. And I tell you

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 5>why it's different from the abortion issue, because had there

0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 5>been not in an abortion issue, you're saying you want,

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<v Speaker 5>you don't want. Women shouldn't be able to have a

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<v Speaker 5>choice to This is the pro life argument to take

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<v Speaker 5>control of their bodies and decide whether to terminate a

0:28:19.840 --> 0:28:23.360
<v Speaker 5>pregnancy that is viable. In this case, the pregnancy would

0:28:23.440 --> 0:28:26.760
<v Speaker 5>not be viable if nature was allowed to take its

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<v Speaker 5>course because a fetus would not be able to survive

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<v Speaker 5>in a brain dead woman in a dead body. Basically,

0:28:33.280 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 5>they're keeping her alive on life support and basically running

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 5>a scientific experiment on a baby that has never been

0:28:41.000 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 5>done before. Actually it was done once in twenty thirteen

0:28:43.840 --> 0:28:47.480
<v Speaker 5>when this happened to another woman. The husband and up

0:28:47.560 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 5>turning off the life support after a couple months of

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 5>illegal battle, So we don't know what would have happened

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:53.560
<v Speaker 5>to that baby. In this case, there's a lot of

0:28:53.600 --> 0:28:57.080
<v Speaker 5>fluid on the brain that the brain is obviously important

0:28:57.120 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 5>for the mother for the baby survival. Is this cruel

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<v Speaker 5>to the child else to force it to be born

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<v Speaker 5>into a world without a mother where it could be

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<v Speaker 5>severely disabled that it would not have survived in nature

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<v Speaker 5>had it not been for the hospital.

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<v Speaker 1>For they're not sure baby will be.

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<v Speaker 5>Because that no one knows, but they already found a

0:29:16.720 --> 0:29:19.200
<v Speaker 5>lot of fluid on its brain, so it's very very

0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:22.240
<v Speaker 5>likely it's going to be not be a healthy newborn.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what the medical experts are saying.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you think for I think you do raise

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<v Speaker 3>a good point, and the pro life argument is that

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<v Speaker 3>you shouldn't take an innocent life when it's viable, and

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 3>in this case, it's already in an extraordinary condition. Keeping

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.360
<v Speaker 3>the mother on life sport. There's nothing against just accepting death.

0:29:37.440 --> 0:29:40.760
<v Speaker 3>But I think given we are fortunately at the point

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<v Speaker 3>in humanity where technologies like this exist, I think it's

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 3>a really encouraging sign that there could be a chance

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:47.480
<v Speaker 3>of life here.

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 4>But again, it really should be the family's decision.

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<v Speaker 5>I think so, and I don't know what I would

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<v Speaker 5>do in this personal situation. I think it's a really

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:58.080
<v Speaker 5>interesting ethical and spiritual argument, James, because do you I mean,

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<v Speaker 5>do you agree with commercial rogacy, for instance, where a

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 5>child would be born and then not have access to

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:10.280
<v Speaker 5>their biological mother Like it's it's fraught with ethical issues

0:30:10.480 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 5>and people and doctors playing god basically because this wouldn't,

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<v Speaker 5>as I say, would not be able to happen without

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:19.040
<v Speaker 5>medical interventional.

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<v Speaker 1>I do agree with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's different to the abortion debate because if you switch

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<v Speaker 2>off the life support, you're just allowing mom to die

0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 2>as she would without the machine. You're not switching off

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:30.200
<v Speaker 2>life support to end the baby's life.

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<v Speaker 1>So it is different.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, the article was fear mongering about the abortion issues

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 5>and about Roe v ways, So I think we need

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 5>to be really careful there because this is whipping up

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<v Speaker 5>fear Overlook, this is hospitals are forcing people to do

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<v Speaker 5>this because of the laws, where the Attorney General, as

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:49.160
<v Speaker 5>you point out, clarified that it doesn't have anything to

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<v Speaker 5>do with the law.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a very interesting ethical challenge. Let's move on

0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.440
<v Speaker 3>to Israel. Now you've probably seen in the news over

0:30:56.440 --> 0:30:59.840
<v Speaker 3>the last couple of weeks there has been absolute hysteria

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<v Speaker 3>about this accusation of mass starvation in Gaza, and of

0:31:06.160 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 3>course it's caused controversy. It's been peddled by the United Nations,

0:31:10.360 --> 0:31:13.760
<v Speaker 3>and here is a labor MP Julian Hill, repeating much

0:31:13.760 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 3>of the same talking points.

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<v Speaker 7>Mass starvation, manipulation and use of humanitarian aid to collectively

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<v Speaker 7>punish civilians as part of a military conflict is outside

0:31:26.040 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 7>international law. The Prime Minister's language has rightly been strongly

0:31:31.680 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 7>condemning of Israel's recent behavior of the humanitarian blockade, and

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 7>we couldn't be clearer. Israel must let AID in.

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<v Speaker 4>But here's the challenge.

0:31:41.600 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 3>It's not that Israel doesn't want AID to go into Gaza.

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:48.200
<v Speaker 3>The problem is that when it does, it gets captured

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.440
<v Speaker 3>and looted by Hamas, which then sell it on the

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 3>black market to continue funding their operations. So Israel has

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:58.719
<v Speaker 3>now taken this into their own hands. They've established a

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.600
<v Speaker 3>new food district UI network backed by the US, and

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 3>they're aiming to take back control of the AID.

0:32:04.960 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 4>Here's what Netanyahu said.

0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 8>In the last two days. We are making a dramatic

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 8>turn towards the complete dismantling of Hammas. We are taking

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 8>away their control over food distribution in the Gaza strip.

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:21.800
<v Speaker 8>This is their money machine, this is what builds their

0:32:21.880 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 8>terror army and this is what dismantles their ability to control.

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<v Speaker 3>But what is so interesting is now Israel is taking

0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 3>back control.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the AID. Obviously the UN plays less of a role.

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 3>And Israel has offered to cooperate with a bunch of

0:32:37.960 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 3>local NGOs in Gaza.

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 4>And here was the UN's response.

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 3>They have started boycotting and blacklisting NGOs that cooperate with

0:32:49.920 --> 0:32:54.200
<v Speaker 3>Israel in distributing the AID directly to Gazas. So for

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:58.000
<v Speaker 3>all their claims about wanting to end the salvation deliver

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 3>the aid, they an't really. They just want to be

0:33:02.120 --> 0:33:06.320
<v Speaker 3>the ones delivering the aid because it maintains their grip

0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 3>on power. But we know Caroline. They've been thoroughly infiltrated

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:13.880
<v Speaker 3>by her mass. Their links to her Mass are extensively documented.

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 4>So what is this really about?

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:18.760
<v Speaker 5>Well, the United Nations, I thought this is interesting. The

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 5>spokesman for the United Nations Secretary General said, we won't

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 5>participate in operations that do not meet our humanitarian principles.

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.960
<v Speaker 5>And yet they were perfectly fine having her Masks run

0:33:30.040 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 5>tunnels under their own headquarters, having members of the United

0:33:35.080 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 5>Nations staff participated in October seven. I mean they came

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 5>out and contended that afterwards, But how did they not

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:43.560
<v Speaker 5>know that these people were actually involved? As beyond me,

0:33:44.320 --> 0:33:47.480
<v Speaker 5>I mean, where has the condemnation been though? We've heard

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:51.920
<v Speaker 5>the story about fourteen thousand babies starving, which was so

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 5>implausible within forty eight hours, was so implausible that only

0:33:56.280 --> 0:34:01.280
<v Speaker 5>someone who could readily believe that Israel as a demon

0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 5>state and capable of such We really, frankly blood libel

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:09.880
<v Speaker 5>as to want to kill babies. We're spreading this information

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:13.360
<v Speaker 5>like wildfire on social media, and yet I only see

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 5>my Jewish friends, people who support a small section of

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:22.160
<v Speaker 5>society who are very pro Israel, out there talking about

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 5>how her Mass is not letting their own people access aid.

0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:26.480
<v Speaker 5>Where's the condemnation?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what annoyed me about Julian Hill's state. And he

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 2>talks about collective punishment of civilians. It's Hermas who are

0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:36.600
<v Speaker 2>using civilians as human shields. He talks about a military conflict.

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>This isn't a conflict between two militaries. That civilians have

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.960
<v Speaker 2>been caught in the middle of Gaza is essentially a

0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>terrorist camp.

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 1>And as for Israel must let.

0:34:45.480 --> 0:34:47.879
<v Speaker 2>The aid through, well, the aid could get through if

0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:50.600
<v Speaker 2>the hostages were released. It'd be interesting to hear Julian

0:34:50.680 --> 0:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Hill talk about that before we go to a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to show you King Charles, what do you call it? No,

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say, cal it's a motiicaate motiicate.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in Canada, of course, and he's on his

0:35:05.960 --> 0:35:08.879
<v Speaker 2>way to the airport to fly out of Canada. Get

0:35:08.920 --> 0:35:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a load of how many cars help King Charles get

0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.760
<v Speaker 2>to the airport where he boards his jetplane. And remember,

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 2>this is a king who prides himself on his green credentials.

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>In fact, this is a king who refused to allow

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.480
<v Speaker 2>he throw airport to name a terminal after him because

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 2>he said, in good conscience he couldn't do that, because

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:31.879
<v Speaker 2>he's someone who fights for the environment.

0:35:32.280 --> 0:35:34.520
<v Speaker 1>And yet did you see how many cars were there?

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<v Speaker 5>There were twenty four apparently, James, they were twenty four

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.000
<v Speaker 5>according to this report. And then of course he gets

0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:43.919
<v Speaker 5>on this massive plane to jet home. I mean, it's

0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:48.319
<v Speaker 5>always the biggest climate alarmist who are the biggest hypocrites

0:35:48.360 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 5>as well, who tell everyone else what to do and

0:35:51.000 --> 0:35:55.120
<v Speaker 5>preach like Leonardo DiCaprio taking his private jets out to

0:35:55.600 --> 0:35:58.600
<v Speaker 5>you know, exotic places to lecture all the rest of

0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 5>us on why we need to not use any electricity

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 5>and coal and why everything is.

0:36:03.680 --> 0:36:07.080
<v Speaker 2>Evil exactly, and that's why we just don't really believe them.

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>We're going to go to a break.

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<v Speaker 2>When we come back, we'll look at tomorrow's headlines, including

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 2>a radical Australian imam apologizes to Jews for comments he

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.359
<v Speaker 2>made and then in the next breath calls for all

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 2>the presses to be killed. That more in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back. Well, you get tomorrow's news tonight on the

0:36:31.719 --> 0:36:34.319
<v Speaker 2>late Debates. So we're going to go to the headlines

0:36:34.360 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 2>that will be the talk of the town tomorrow. And

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<v Speaker 2>as always, the Australian Newspaper's got some great stories, Caroline.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, So radical imam's apology to Jews one day, call

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 5>for Allah to kill all the presses the next. Now,

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:53.360
<v Speaker 5>this is a story about an extremist cleric, Amad Zud,

0:36:53.719 --> 0:36:56.480
<v Speaker 5>who you might be familiar with because he was recently

0:36:57.440 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 5>forced basically to apologize to jew after being after abilification

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:07.880
<v Speaker 5>complaint was laudged by a Jewish body. But the interesting

0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.320
<v Speaker 5>thing about this is what he's gone on to say

0:37:10.480 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 5>after that apology, which the Australian has obtained which is

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:17.160
<v Speaker 5>oh Allah, deal with the tyrants and the oppressors, count

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.319
<v Speaker 5>them one by one, kill them all and leave none

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 5>of them behind. And I can tell you that that's

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:28.479
<v Speaker 5>not the first time we've heard a radical shake say

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 5>those words. Closely after October seven, there was a Shake

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 5>in Roseland's mosque in Sydney who said the same thing,

0:37:38.120 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 5>but he built the cat when he explicitly said it

0:37:42.040 --> 0:37:45.760
<v Speaker 5>was in regards to Zionist Jews, and New South Wales

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 5>police investigated him at the time and then dropped the

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.240
<v Speaker 5>investigation saying there was nothing that could be done. Clearly,

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:56.600
<v Speaker 5>this apology is not genuine and we have more of

0:37:56.600 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 5>this nonsense. But again I really doubt authority is it

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:00.640
<v Speaker 5>going to take any action.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so concerning because words have consequences.

0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 4>I mean what we saw in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 3>Just last week with people attending a Jewish event literally

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:13.360
<v Speaker 3>gunned down just because the terrorists thought they were Jewish.

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:18.799
<v Speaker 3>It just shows you that words have consequences. And of

0:38:18.880 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 3>course we believe in freedom of religion. Of course we

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 3>believe in freedom of speech. But there is a line

0:38:24.280 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 3>between freedom of speech and incitement to violence, and that

0:38:28.280 --> 0:38:30.359
<v Speaker 3>is the key tension that we're walking here.

0:38:30.920 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 2>When you're calling for allah to kill your enemies, it

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:38.359
<v Speaker 2>sounds awful like incitement for There is one other story

0:38:38.360 --> 0:38:40.080
<v Speaker 2>on the front page is The Australian.

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:43.840
<v Speaker 3>That's really interesting and the headline is Indigenous not same

0:38:44.000 --> 0:38:48.880
<v Speaker 3>as disadvantage. Indigenous is not a byword for disadvantage, and

0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:52.799
<v Speaker 3>much of the left truth telling ignores the nation's many

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 3>Aboriginal and terrest Strait Islander success stories. The Liberal Party's

0:38:56.800 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 3>new voice on Aboriginal affairs, WANs Karen Little, an ironite

0:39:01.160 --> 0:39:06.120
<v Speaker 3>woman from Central Australia, has declared that sound Indigenous policy

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:10.320
<v Speaker 3>begins with nailing down good services to the nation's.

0:39:09.920 --> 0:39:11.520
<v Speaker 4>Most vulnerable communities.

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 3>That is such a good point and I'm really excited

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 3>to see where Karen Little takes this portfolio. But it

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 3>is true that in a lot of the discourse people

0:39:20.200 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 3>just say indigenous as if that is the same thing

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:26.720
<v Speaker 3>as disadvantaged. But as just Senter Price also so often

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 3>points out, you can be a very successful Indigenous person

0:39:30.680 --> 0:39:35.960
<v Speaker 3>and conflating the two is actually basically creating a cycle

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 3>of permanent victimho.

0:39:38.560 --> 0:39:43.280
<v Speaker 5>Self fulfilling prophecy. Basically, you're just saying that you will

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 5>do no better than what we tell you. You're under educated,

0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:51.160
<v Speaker 5>you're disadvantage. You can never rise above them.

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.680
<v Speaker 4>Based on your race, and that is what stands.

0:39:54.800 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 2>You could be very disadvantaged and white, yes country, which

0:39:58.200 --> 0:39:59.919
<v Speaker 2>is why we should not help people on the base

0:40:00.239 --> 0:40:03.120
<v Speaker 2>of race. Help people on the basis of need, and

0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.239
<v Speaker 2>that would be a much better society and people would

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.279
<v Speaker 2>actually get help who need it. Let's go to the

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.200
<v Speaker 2>front page of the Courier Mail. COVID is back. Get

0:40:12.200 --> 0:40:15.040
<v Speaker 2>a load of this headline. COVID strained to hit hard

0:40:15.640 --> 0:40:19.600
<v Speaker 2>vax rates leave state exposed to new variant And do

0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 2>you remember the days where every variant was like the

0:40:22.000 --> 0:40:22.920
<v Speaker 2>worst thing ever?

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And when the next was the worst one ever?

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>And well it's back to the future. Vulnerable Queenslanders are

0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.040
<v Speaker 2>under threat as the most contagious strain of COVID nineteen

0:40:34.200 --> 0:40:38.040
<v Speaker 2>ever recorded rips through the state. The new wave comes

0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 2>at a time when vaccination protection has fallen to the

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.840
<v Speaker 2>lowest since the JAB was introduced. More than fifteen thousand

0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:48.759
<v Speaker 2>COVID nineteen cases recorded in Queensland this year, with infectious

0:40:48.800 --> 0:40:52.319
<v Speaker 2>diseases expert Paul Griffin saying, quote, we have dropped the

0:40:52.360 --> 0:40:57.640
<v Speaker 2>ball on vaccinations. I got to admit, you know, obviously

0:40:57.719 --> 0:41:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the TGA, not the TGA, it's America.

0:41:00.120 --> 0:41:01.359
<v Speaker 1>But health authorities in.

0:41:01.320 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 2>Australia say if you're old and vulnerable, or if you've

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>got comorbidities, you should get vaccinated. But to me, I

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:10.919
<v Speaker 2>know people who have had COVID recently and it's really

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:12.799
<v Speaker 2>regarded as nothing more than a bit of a it's

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a nothing burger. So I got to say,

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.680
<v Speaker 2>when I saw this headline, I was pretty surprised.

0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 3>It is really strange and what we should actually be

0:41:20.440 --> 0:41:24.200
<v Speaker 3>looking at our excess deaths, not just case numbers. And

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 3>unless we see excess deaths due to this new strain

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.600
<v Speaker 3>of COVID, I really don't think we should all start

0:41:30.640 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 3>getting too panicked about it.

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. I was a bit surprised actually to see that headline.

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 5>It seems a little bit like a scare headline. But anyway,

0:41:39.000 --> 0:41:42.600
<v Speaker 5>we move on. Gold Coast Bulletin has an interesting story

0:41:42.960 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 5>a probe after the wrong man took end of life

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:51.560
<v Speaker 5>drug Now a man has narrowly escaped death after allegedly

0:41:51.640 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 5>taking voluntary assisted dying drugs basically euthanasia drugs intended for

0:41:57.080 --> 0:42:01.160
<v Speaker 5>his partner and this happened at Gold Coast Unit Diversity Hospital.

0:42:01.480 --> 0:42:04.759
<v Speaker 5>The alleged incident is being investigated and authorities are having

0:42:04.760 --> 0:42:06.600
<v Speaker 5>a look into this. But I think while we don't

0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:09.359
<v Speaker 5>know all the facts around this case obviously, and these

0:42:09.360 --> 0:42:13.239
<v Speaker 5>are just allegations at this stage, it does raise some

0:42:13.280 --> 0:42:17.760
<v Speaker 5>of the concerns that have previously come up about euthanasia

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:23.320
<v Speaker 5>and voluntary assisted dying, that the risks that can happen,

0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.759
<v Speaker 5>and I can't say we've often, or at least I

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 5>haven't often brought up the fact that maybe it could

0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:31.120
<v Speaker 5>the person could take get their hands on it and

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 5>could use it. It's troubling. We don't know if it's intentional,

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.760
<v Speaker 5>if it had it happened by mistake.

0:42:37.880 --> 0:42:39.120
<v Speaker 1>I think I said at the top of the show,

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:40.600
<v Speaker 1>he accidentally, But when you read the.

0:42:40.640 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 5>Article exactly when you look at it.

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.799
<v Speaker 2>Clos possibly and this is just possibly. It could have

0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 2>been intentional. And this is the big problem with euthanasia

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:53.399
<v Speaker 2>drugs being intended for one person accessed by somebody else

0:42:53.440 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>who should not be accessing these drugs. And unfortunately the

0:42:57.920 --> 0:42:59.839
<v Speaker 2>man has survived, so that's good.

0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 3>Well, thankfully, it sounds like this all took place at

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 3>a hospital, so I guess the one place you'd want

0:43:05.640 --> 0:43:07.440
<v Speaker 3>to be when you're about to die.

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 4>But anyway, moving on to the Herald Sun. Now this

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.839
<v Speaker 4>is an awkward one for the Liberal Party. As if this.

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Week couldn't get much worse for the Victorian Libs.

0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 4>Grath negligence.

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 3>Lib's deputy leader misled colleague and wrongly used her taxpayer

0:43:22.600 --> 0:43:26.880
<v Speaker 3>funded chauffeur car to ferry him wife one hundred kilometers

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:32.280
<v Speaker 3>home after getting smashed at tennis. Sam Groth faces calls

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:36.040
<v Speaker 3>to stand down admid revelations he misled a senior colleague

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:40.640
<v Speaker 3>and wrongly used her taxpayer funded chauffeur driven car to

0:43:40.719 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 3>ferry him and his wife one hundred kilometers home after

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 3>a boozy day at the Australian Open. This does seem

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:53.320
<v Speaker 3>to be a little bit of an awkward story.

0:43:53.480 --> 0:43:53.640
<v Speaker 4>Now.

0:43:53.640 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 3>It hasn't been a great week for the Victorian Liberals

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 3>with the looming deadline for John Pizzuto to pay two

0:44:00.239 --> 0:44:02.960
<v Speaker 3>three million dollars to Moiy Deeming, and.

0:44:03.200 --> 0:44:05.400
<v Speaker 4>This just seems to make it even worse.

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:09.440
<v Speaker 2>It's just another example of Victorian Libs shooting themselves in

0:44:09.480 --> 0:44:11.719
<v Speaker 2>the foot. And the amazing thing about the Victorian Libs,

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 2>you can't accuse them of lacking creativity because they continually

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.520
<v Speaker 2>find new ways to destroy their chances.

0:44:17.840 --> 0:44:20.760
<v Speaker 1>Just sib to Allen, all her Christmases have come at once.

0:44:21.040 --> 0:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>Gets the machete band, which is a stupid idea off

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the front page, and the libs are making headlines again.

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to the Daily Telegraph here in Sydney next

0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Gen fight Club reads the headline.

0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:33.280
<v Speaker 1>And it's an exclusive story.

0:44:33.360 --> 0:44:37.919
<v Speaker 2>Cops blitz viral teen brawlers in CBD, so that five

0:44:37.960 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 2>times quickly. A shocking escalation of violent teen bashings and

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:45.080
<v Speaker 2>assaults in Sydney CBD is being fueled by the pursuit

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 2>of social media fame, with kids filming and uploading videos

0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 2>of each other in brawls and random attacks across the city.

0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:57.839
<v Speaker 2>Concerning are we really surprised? Probably not this generation. Will

0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.959
<v Speaker 2>you tell me, Frey, you're a couple of month.

0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:00.920
<v Speaker 1>It's younger than me.

0:45:01.200 --> 0:45:04.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I know much about their life, but

0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:07.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean social media, it's all about likes and followers

0:45:07.640 --> 0:45:08.480
<v Speaker 2>and doing.

0:45:08.280 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Whatever you can to increase your interaction.

0:45:10.680 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 4>Well, it is interesting you bring this up.

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 3>I mean this was something that Peter Dunton was promising

0:45:15.000 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 3>to ban if you want a post and boast offenses.

0:45:18.680 --> 0:45:20.440
<v Speaker 4>Because it is a big driver of a lot of

0:45:20.440 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 4>this activity.

0:45:21.120 --> 0:45:23.840
<v Speaker 3>Kids want the street cred for beating people up and

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:24.479
<v Speaker 3>committing crime.

0:45:24.520 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 4>It's pretty disgusting.

0:45:26.160 --> 0:45:28.040
<v Speaker 1>We're to go to a break, but stick around.

0:45:28.080 --> 0:45:30.960
<v Speaker 2>We all saw the French president's wife shove him in

0:45:30.960 --> 0:45:35.279
<v Speaker 2>the face. But now an expert lip reader tells us

0:45:35.280 --> 0:45:37.520
<v Speaker 2>what she said to him right after that event.

0:45:37.640 --> 0:45:38.360
<v Speaker 1>That's in a moment.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, everybody's been talking about it the last few days.

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>What really happened between Emmanuel mccron and his wife and

0:45:49.440 --> 0:45:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Caroline we think we know, well, thank you.

0:45:52.080 --> 0:45:55.480
<v Speaker 5>To a lip reader, we know what was actually said

0:45:55.640 --> 0:46:01.000
<v Speaker 5>between between the president and the first laid The lip

0:46:01.040 --> 0:46:07.000
<v Speaker 5>breaeder has said that after this now viral infamous shove

0:46:07.200 --> 0:46:12.400
<v Speaker 5>with both hands that Bridget mccron did on Emmanuel Macron,

0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:17.920
<v Speaker 5>she then says she then says stay away, you loser.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.919
<v Speaker 5>Those were the words that were uttered. He tried to say,

0:46:22.040 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 5>let's go, let's just walk out of the plane, and

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:29.160
<v Speaker 5>she replies stay away, you loser. So I mean, that

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 5>doesn't quite gel with Emmanuel mccron's version of events. He

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:36.480
<v Speaker 5>went on to tell the media, I don't know why

0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 5>everyone's making such a big deal about this. It's just

0:46:39.120 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 5>a squabble. It was joking around. I'm sorry, but in

0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 5>ten years of marriage, I have never shoved my husband

0:46:45.760 --> 0:46:49.360
<v Speaker 5>with both hands on his face or any hand or anywhere.

0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:51.200
<v Speaker 5>And I've never called him a loser. I may have

0:46:51.200 --> 0:46:53.400
<v Speaker 5>called him other things, but not I got.

0:46:53.280 --> 0:46:55.560
<v Speaker 2>To ask what would have hurt Macron more than shove

0:46:55.560 --> 0:46:57.640
<v Speaker 2>in the face or been called a loser?

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's pretty embarrassing, Oh my goodness. And also in Europe,

0:47:02.480 --> 0:47:06.600
<v Speaker 3>if you are on a Turkey Airways flight now, if

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:12.480
<v Speaker 3>you get up into the aisle or prematurely unbuckle your seatbelt,

0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:17.000
<v Speaker 3>you could be fined up to seventy dollars. I think

0:47:17.120 --> 0:47:20.000
<v Speaker 3>we all know when you're flying, even if the seatbelt

0:47:20.040 --> 0:47:22.600
<v Speaker 3>signs still on, you've come to a stop. You're not

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:27.040
<v Speaker 3>moving anywhere. Everyone's jumping up into the aisle. Is this

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:30.279
<v Speaker 3>just another way to rake in.

0:47:30.280 --> 0:47:32.760
<v Speaker 4>Some more revenue for Turkish.

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:35.080
<v Speaker 5>I love you back this because I made it. When

0:47:35.080 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 5>people jump up and they start queuing up and they

0:47:37.320 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 5>have to get out first, it's like, what's your rush?

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:41.919
<v Speaker 5>We're going to be grounded for at least another isn't

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:44.440
<v Speaker 5>it more? Efficient. I've got your butt in my face

0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:46.359
<v Speaker 5>if you're standing there trying to get out.

0:47:46.320 --> 0:47:47.200
<v Speaker 1>First, there's other options.

0:47:47.280 --> 0:47:49.359
<v Speaker 2>You find people who don't put the seat thing down

0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:50.520
<v Speaker 2>those people.

0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:51.680
<v Speaker 1>Find people like they.

0:47:51.719 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 5>Did put the seat down, or who.

0:47:53.080 --> 0:47:56.879
<v Speaker 2>Don't know who don't put the arm resturant, or people

0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 2>who put their legs on the other side of your level.

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>Find those people.

0:48:01.320 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Find people who put their bags in the overhead compartment

0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:09.280
<v Speaker 2>not adjacent to their Find those people, and find the

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:12.399
<v Speaker 2>staff at Virgin for not upgrading me when I'm flo Well, no,

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:13.239
<v Speaker 2>I have a.

0:48:13.160 --> 0:48:15.280
<v Speaker 3>Little bit of sympathy for this, because I do find

0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 3>it's so frustrating when you're just sitting there and you're like, well,

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 3>I could be getting my stuff down, I could be

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.719
<v Speaker 3>progressing these a lot of run of dose, Like one

0:48:24.719 --> 0:48:26.040
<v Speaker 3>of these I might be one of those people.

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, guys, Right quickly before we go, my favorite

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 2>Catholic preacher on TV, Fulton Sheen.

0:48:30.800 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>He's now de ceased. You can watch him on YouTube.

0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 2>He's brilliant, but maybe his preaching's got some competition with

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:40.000
<v Speaker 2>these Brazilian nuns on Catholic TV who in the middle

0:48:40.040 --> 0:48:41.240
<v Speaker 2>of a religious program.

0:48:41.840 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, I'll just let you watch skies, I'm going to

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:10.720
<v Speaker 1>mess on Sunday.

0:49:11.120 --> 0:49:13.479
<v Speaker 3>I love their beats like they've got a good sense

0:49:13.480 --> 0:49:15.680
<v Speaker 3>of rhythm, and look at those dance moves.

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.439
<v Speaker 5>I don't get the context of this. I don't really care.

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't know why. Where she learned to

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:21.719
<v Speaker 5>be Boxburg?

0:49:21.800 --> 0:49:24.719
<v Speaker 2>Good on her No idea that's from us. Good night,

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<v Speaker 2>stick around, Brida Pinnhey up now,