WEBVTT - The politics of Peter Dutton's position on Israel

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Daniel James. This is seven am.

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<v Speaker 1>The war in the Middle East is dominating Australian politics.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton has spent the week going hard against the

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister, saying he disrespected the Jewish community when he

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<v Speaker 1>called for the de escalation and a cease fire in

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<v Speaker 1>his condolence motion on October seven. But there are signs

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<v Speaker 1>that Dutton's attacks aren't landing and he's become too focused

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<v Speaker 1>on the Middle East conflict at the expense of pressing

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<v Speaker 1>issues closer to home. Today columnists for the Saturday Paper

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<v Speaker 1>Paul bon Joorna on the indirect ways the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>conflict could shape life here in Australia and the outcome

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<v Speaker 1>of the election. It's Friday, October eleven. Paul, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Want to start with the condolence motion in

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<v Speaker 1>Parliament at the start of the week to mark the

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<v Speaker 1>one year anniversary of the Hamas attack on Israel. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you tell me what the motion said?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Hi, Daniel, Well the motion had fifteen statements.

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<v Speaker 1>May give the call to the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks very much, missus.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaker.

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<v Speaker 3>I moved that the House of Representatives a reiterates its

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<v Speaker 3>unequivocal condemnation of Hamasa's terror attacks on Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>Which the first four condemned unequivocally the massacre, the taking

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<v Speaker 2>of hostages, and the brutal attacks on hundreds of other

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<v Speaker 2>innocent Israelis on that day. It called for the immediate

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<v Speaker 2>release of the hostages, It condemned anti Semitism and stood

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<v Speaker 2>with Jewish Australians who have been affected by it. But

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<v Speaker 2>it then went on to call for a cease fire

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<v Speaker 2>and regional de escalations.

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<v Speaker 3>K stresses the need to break the cycle of violence

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<v Speaker 3>and supports international efforts to de escalate, for a sea

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<v Speaker 3>firing Gaza and in Lebanon, and for lasting peace and

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<v Speaker 3>security for Israeli, Palestinian, Lebanese and all people in the region.

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<v Speaker 2>The emotion went broader, recognizing that there are many others

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia deeply distressed by the conflict beyond October seven,

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<v Speaker 2>and it warned the undermining of social cohesion risks Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>domestic security, and the Prime Minister went on quote every

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<v Speaker 2>civilian life matters, every Palestinian, every Lebanese, every single innocent life.

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<v Speaker 4>That is the truth.

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<v Speaker 3>We must hold on to the truth of a shared humanity,

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<v Speaker 3>of the hope that peace is possible, and the belief

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<v Speaker 3>that it belongs to all people. To quote the great

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<v Speaker 3>Doctor Martin Luther King, darkness cannot drive out darkness. Only

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<v Speaker 3>light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate. Only

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<v Speaker 3>love can do that. I commend the resolution to the House.

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<v Speaker 2>The motion passed the House with eighty five votes. There

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<v Speaker 2>were fifty four against the entire Liberal and National parties

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<v Speaker 2>and three from the cross bench. The four Greens abstained.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, all the action wasn't only in the House

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<v Speaker 2>of Representatives. The motion then went to the Senate, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was there that there was quite a kafaffel. Lydia

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<v Speaker 2>Thorpe now an independence. She marched into the chamber screaming out.

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<v Speaker 5>The reason we're advocating for us, our Minister on cases

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<v Speaker 5>in your seat.

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<v Speaker 2>And the Green senators held up placards and defiance of

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<v Speaker 2>the standing orders and angering the President of the Senate,

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<v Speaker 2>the demanding sanctions now on Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>Senator thought, it is inappropriate to come in here, Senator thought,

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<v Speaker 5>Senator thought, come to order, Senator Thorpe, come to order,

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<v Speaker 5>Senator thought, take your seat, Senator thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Issue in the Senator is still unresolved.

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<v Speaker 1>So the Coalition and the Greens didn't support the motion.

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<v Speaker 2>What did they say, Well, the Greens leader Adam Bant

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<v Speaker 2>was critical of Albanisi for not allowing amendments that would

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<v Speaker 2>not give sympathy, but condemnation of Israel hardly fitting in

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<v Speaker 2>with the purpose of the day. But Bant was uncompromising

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<v Speaker 2>in his condemnation of the ongoing slaughter as he calls it,

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<v Speaker 2>and critical that war crimes were not condemned.

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<v Speaker 6>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>Opposition leader Peter Dutton was at the polar opposite end

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<v Speaker 2>of the argument.

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<v Speaker 4>This motion was supposed to be about October seven, about

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<v Speaker 4>the loss of human life in the circumstances that we've

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<v Speaker 4>just graphically outlined, and that people cross the world now

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<v Speaker 4>come to understand. I proposed to the Prime Minister a

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<v Speaker 4>motion which was balanced and objective.

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton refused to back the motion. He said the original

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<v Speaker 2>intent of the motion was to mark the loss of

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<v Speaker 2>twelve hundred Israeli lives.

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<v Speaker 4>This government has sought to walk both sides of the

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<v Speaker 4>street in relation to what has been a very divisive

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<v Speaker 4>debate for our country. It's what in part has given

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<v Speaker 4>rise to the anti Semitism that we've seen in university campuses,

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<v Speaker 4>but across society more generally.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, the Prime Minister, unlike his labor predecessors, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the decency to respect the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 4>And for that, Prime Minister, you should stand condemned. We

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<v Speaker 4>have put to this Prime Minister a more than reasonable position.

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<v Speaker 2>And Dutton's position since October seven last year has given

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<v Speaker 2>Israel unquestioning support. He rarely acknowledges the loss of Palestinian

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<v Speaker 2>life and supports ongoing war until Hamas Hesbalah and the

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<v Speaker 2>hooties are routed. But it should be remembered that Albanezi

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<v Speaker 2>meant over backwards trying to get bipartisanship on this motion.

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<v Speaker 2>There were meetings on the weekend and even on Tuesday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister met the opposition leader twice tried to

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<v Speaker 2>convince him to come on board, and Dutton refused point blank.

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<v Speaker 2>He tried to blame Albanisi for this failure in bipartisanship. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I personally don't think that that passes the pub test. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the independent member for went with Olegraspender. She also didn't

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<v Speaker 2>back the motion. Hers as the seat with the largest

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish community in the country.

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<v Speaker 7>I wish that we as a Parliament could come together

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<v Speaker 7>and lead unitedly. I would have supported this motion had

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<v Speaker 7>it been separated into two motions one on October seven one.

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<v Speaker 7>Recognizing the pain that the last year had brought.

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<v Speaker 2>She criticized her colleagues in Parliament for not being able

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<v Speaker 2>to find common grounds.

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<v Speaker 7>And I am once again disappointed by this House and

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<v Speaker 7>the political politicization of this issue, because the country is

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<v Speaker 7>looking for us to come together. The country is hurting.

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<v Speaker 7>There are people who have lost friends and families across

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<v Speaker 7>our communities. They are hurting and we are not helping

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<v Speaker 7>these people.

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<v Speaker 1>Is an obviously a tricky issue for the government. How

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<v Speaker 1>would you describe the political calculations they are making when

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking about this war?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Daniel, of course, no matter what the politicians want

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<v Speaker 2>you to believe, there are always political calculations. Dutton accuses

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<v Speaker 2>Albanisi of selling out Israel to appease Arab and Muslim voters,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly in Western Sydney, with two and possibly three seats

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<v Speaker 2>in play, but it's also clear that Dutton has his

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<v Speaker 2>eye on three seats as well, with significant Jewish numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>two held by Teal Independence and one held by Labor

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<v Speaker 2>on a knife edge in Melbourne, and the issue was

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<v Speaker 2>particularly fraught for Labor internally. We were reminded of that

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday when Senator Fatima Payman, who quit Labor earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this year over its refusal to immediately recognize Palestine, announced

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<v Speaker 2>she's forming a new party called Australia's Voice, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly aimed at Labor voters. There's growing sentiment in the

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<v Speaker 2>left of the Labor Party for the Palestinian cause, but

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<v Speaker 2>even there no one disputes Israel has a right to

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<v Speaker 2>defend itself and in saying that, they realize, as Cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>Minister Mark Butler, who by the way, is from the

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<v Speaker 2>left of the party, as he said on Monday, that

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<v Speaker 2>right clearly involves the use of force. The line the

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<v Speaker 2>government formally draws is that force must be used within

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<v Speaker 2>the norms of international law.

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<v Speaker 1>And Paula's politicians fought over words elsewhere in Parliament some

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<v Speaker 1>palestinianstraints front of the media. What happened at that press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Well of the Greens and Lydia Thorpe, the former Green,

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<v Speaker 2>and Fatima Payman, well, they turned up with the Palestinians

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<v Speaker 2>at Parliament House to say look this isn't only about words,

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<v Speaker 2>it's about real people.

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<v Speaker 5>That this is a press conference where you've just heard

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<v Speaker 5>for the last forty five minutes to the impacts of

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<v Speaker 5>the genocide, the state.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Israel and what they have done, and you're asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions about emotion, You're asking questions about Israel having the

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<v Speaker 2>rights to self defense, trying to give a dimension to

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<v Speaker 2>the view they hold that the whole conflict is not

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<v Speaker 2>only regrettable, but reprehensible and as a human catastrophe.

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<v Speaker 1>There were massive protests last weekend, and there have been

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<v Speaker 1>massive protests throughout the last twelve months, thousands of people

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<v Speaker 1>gathering to show their support for Palestine and thousands also

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<v Speaker 1>gathering to commemorate the attacks on Israel a year ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What does this tell you about how big an issue

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<v Speaker 1>this is in the minds of voters right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Well. Research by the Labor Party finds that while a

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<v Speaker 2>majority of Australians, probably around seventy to seventy five percent,

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<v Speaker 2>are aware of the conflict, they see it as over

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<v Speaker 2>there and regrettable, but it doesn't really concern us, so

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't have a broad resonance in that sense. Labor

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<v Speaker 2>thinks that around ten percent of Australians are particularly involved

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<v Speaker 2>and exercised, and these would be people on the Jewish

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<v Speaker 2>and Palestinian side, with the relatives in Gaza or in Israel. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>An Essential poll this week found about fifty six percent

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<v Speaker 2>of Australians are satisfied with Albanesi's response to the Israel

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza war and a separate resolve. Pole in the Age

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<v Speaker 2>found fifty one percent of Australians don't want the government

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<v Speaker 2>to take sides in the conflict. They certainly don't want

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<v Speaker 2>any form of military involvement, either sending military equipment sixty

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<v Speaker 2>seven percent were against that or sending military support seventy

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<v Speaker 2>two percent were against that. So with that in mind,

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<v Speaker 2>Dutton could be misfiring. Dutton is doing what he accused

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<v Speaker 2>Albanisi of doing in the Voice referendum, focusing on one

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<v Speaker 2>issue that the expense of bigger issues for voters strugging

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<v Speaker 2>to make ends meet.

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<v Speaker 1>After the break how the conflict might shape politics here

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<v Speaker 1>in a surprising and indirect way, for the conflict in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East is dominating politics here at home, despite

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<v Speaker 1>some evidence that for most voters it is in top

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. We're gearing up for an election sometime early

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<v Speaker 1>in the next year. So can you tell me about

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<v Speaker 1>how this issue is likely to impact the result?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I guess that remains to be seen. Besides Wentworth

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<v Speaker 2>in Sydney, there are two seats in Melbourne potentially in play,

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<v Speaker 2>Kujong and McNamara. Coujong took in a big swag of

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish votes from the abolished seat of Higgins Well. Independent

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<v Speaker 2>Monique Ryan will hope her chances are protected by Dutton's

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<v Speaker 2>failure to develop serious pos on climate change and energy.

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<v Speaker 2>That certainly played a part in Ryan winning Kujung in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place. In McNamara, Labor incumbent Josh Burns, himself Jewish,

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<v Speaker 2>has told worried branch members is confident he can hold

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<v Speaker 2>on with many Jewish Greens in the seat now rejecting

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<v Speaker 2>the party. But this week Joe Biden lets slip that

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<v Speaker 2>Israel could target Iran's oil production and export facilities. Certify

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<v Speaker 2>some of.

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<v Speaker 4>Your comments yesterday with regard to strikes on.

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<v Speaker 5>Iranian oil facilities, What did you mean by them?

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<v Speaker 7>Given some of the reactions for Senior in the market.

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<v Speaker 6>Colok, the Israelis have I concluded how they're what they're

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<v Speaker 6>going to do in term of the strain, that's on

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<v Speaker 6>a discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Biden's so worried he's tried to talk Netanyahu out of

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<v Speaker 2>bombing Iran's oil facilities. Well, you'd have to say the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli Prime Minister hasn't shown much of any inclination to

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<v Speaker 2>take notice of the US President in the past twelve

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<v Speaker 2>months and is unlikely to begin heeding him now, even

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<v Speaker 2>though it's been widely reported that on Thursday morning, there

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<v Speaker 2>was an intense phone discussion between nettin Yahoo and Biden.

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<v Speaker 8>Until the phone call, today, US officials tell NBC News

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<v Speaker 8>that Israeli leaders had not briefed the US on the

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<v Speaker 8>specific details of their retaliatory response against Iran, even as

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<v Speaker 8>the Pentagon discussed the possibility of supporting any potential military action.

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<v Speaker 2>Financial journalist Alan Cohler says if that happens, there would

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<v Speaker 2>be an epic inflationary bust, similar to the nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>three oil shock. Coler points out that destroying Iran's facilities

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<v Speaker 2>on carg Island, twenty five kilometers off the coast, would

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<v Speaker 2>destroy only three percent of global production, but it would

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<v Speaker 2>be a very different story if Iran retaliated by taking

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<v Speaker 2>out Saudi Arabian and United Arab Emirates oil production capacity,

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<v Speaker 2>as it's threatened to do if attacked. The nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>three oil shock had badly impacted the global economy, and

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<v Speaker 2>a similar disruption to oil supplies, given that we now

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<v Speaker 2>import all of them, would redefine the debate over cost

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<v Speaker 2>of living and energy policy in Australia. There's no doubt

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the case, then, pore that this ends

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<v Speaker 1>up impacting people's cost of living here in Australia right

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<v Speaker 1>before an election, how do you think that will shape

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<v Speaker 1>the way the election is fought.

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<v Speaker 2>Well rationally Given the current scientific alarm over global warming,

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<v Speaker 2>it should give weight to relying even more urgently on

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<v Speaker 2>Australia's abundant sources of wind and solar energy. Our vulnerability

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<v Speaker 2>to imported fossil fuels for our transport needs would be

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<v Speaker 2>significantly lessened if we were further down the path of electrification.

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<v Speaker 2>We yet to see what energy policies the coalition will

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<v Speaker 2>take to the next election. We should remember nuclear is

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<v Speaker 2>at least three elections away. If ever, and in the

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<v Speaker 2>latest batch of opinion polls, analyst Kevin Bonham sees an

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<v Speaker 2>improvement for labor giving it an aggregate edge, and it

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<v Speaker 2>could be bolstered by rising consumer confidence and an even

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<v Speaker 2>healthier budget position thanks to Chinese demand for iron ore

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel no doubt Albinizzi, on the sidelines of the aas

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<v Speaker 2>IN summit in Lao this week, will express his gratitude

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<v Speaker 2>to China's Premier Li Chang for Beijing's latest economic stimulus policies,

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<v Speaker 2>while I have no doubt at the same time keeping

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<v Speaker 2>his fingers crossed that the Middle East conflict doesn't dramatically

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<v Speaker 2>impact global oil energy supplies.

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<v Speaker 1>Paul, thank you so much for your time. Let's do

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<v Speaker 1>this against scene.

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<v Speaker 6>Thank you, Daniel By.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, the Deputy Prime Minister's chief

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<v Speaker 1>of staff claims she's being forced out of her job

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<v Speaker 1>after raising complaints of bullying against her colleagues. Joe Tunwoski

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<v Speaker 1>claims that while she's still currently employed as chief of staff,

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<v Speaker 1>she has been ostracized and unable to access her office

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<v Speaker 1>without giving twenty four hours notice since June this year.

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<v Speaker 1>During question time, the Deputy Prime Minister City upheld minister

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<v Speaker 1>Or Code of Conduct, which requires ministers to uphold the

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<v Speaker 1>highest workplace standards, including a safe and respectful workplace culture

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<v Speaker 1>Townwoski has not made allegations of bullying against the Deputy

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<v Speaker 1>Prime Minister a New South Wales police are currently investigating

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<v Speaker 1>more than eighty cases of alleged coercive control. The new

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<v Speaker 1>data comes after coercive control was declared a criminal offense

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<v Speaker 1>in New South Wales back in July of this year.

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<v Speaker 1>So far, only one person that's been charged by New

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<v Speaker 1>South Wales police for the crime. Seven Am is a

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