Speaker 1: Live from Israels is a special edition of Sharing.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show from the ancient city of Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: Here in Israel, Benjaminette Yahoo is trying to kill the terrorists,
Speaker 2: while back home, Albinizi is issuing visas to Palestinians with
Speaker 2: links to her mus and Palestinian Islamic Jihat. This massive
Speaker 2: story exploded in Question Time today.
Speaker 3: Prime Minister has the visa for the individual been canceled?
Speaker 2: Albanisi is putting Australians in danger through his reckless visa program.
Speaker 2: He should visit Israel to look around at the devastation
Speaker 2: terrorism can cause. Now I'm going to come back to
Speaker 2: this topic in a moment tonight. I'm also going to
Speaker 2: bring you the story of a newborn baby who was
Speaker 2: only nine days old when her Musk stormed his home.
Speaker 2: The terrorists set the house alight, but baby Kai's mum
Speaker 2: saved him by putting him up.
Speaker 4: On a window seal.
Speaker 2: This is a story of a miracle survival, one of
Speaker 2: the rare happy endings on that dark day. Joining me
Speaker 2: here in Jerusalem on the show tonight, Colonel Richard Kemp,
Speaker 2: who commanded British forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. This comes
Speaker 2: as Israel weighs its response to the Iranian missile strikes,
Speaker 2: while Biden once a cease fire a month out from
Speaker 2: the US election. Also joining me here a mother whose
Speaker 2: son was murdered at the Nova Music Festival. His dream
Speaker 2: was to visit Australia and his mum has honored his
Speaker 2: memory by making that trip. Plus Richo and Michael Kroger
Speaker 2: will fire up about all the news back home, including
Speaker 2: how a high profile restaurant owner has been arrested.
Speaker 4: No one will be dining at his restaurants anymore.
Speaker 2: But first Benjainetta, who has declared that Israel has taken
Speaker 2: out the leadership of Hesbelah in a video message to
Speaker 2: the Lebanese people, Nettigna, who said he'd eliminated the leaders
Speaker 2: of the terror group.
Speaker 5: Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel also has
Speaker 5: a right to win, and Israel will win. We've degraded
Speaker 5: Kbela's capabilities. We took out thousands of terrorists, including Nsuelo
Speaker 5: himself and Osuelo's replacement and the replacement of his replacement.
Speaker 5: Today Kibela is weaker than it's been for many, many years.
Speaker 2: As you heard there, Israel not only took out Hesbelah's
Speaker 2: leader of thirty two years, Hassan Nasralla, but his successor,
Speaker 2: Hasham Savidin. They also bombed the terror group's intelligence headquarters
Speaker 2: in Beirut and three thousand fighters were injured.
Speaker 4: When their pages exploded well.
Speaker 2: In his video message last night, Netna who made an
Speaker 2: appeal for peace, He implored to Lebanese people to take
Speaker 2: back their country from Hezbela control.
Speaker 5: Don't let these terrorists destroy your future anymore than they've
Speaker 5: already done. Stand up and take your country back. You
Speaker 5: have an opportunity that hasn't existed in decades, an opportunity
Speaker 5: to take care of the future of your children and grandchildren.
Speaker 5: You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls
Speaker 5: into the abyss of a long war that will lead
Speaker 5: to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza. It
Speaker 5: doesn't have to be that way. Each of you can
Speaker 5: take a step for your future, even a small step,
Speaker 5: you can make a difference. I say to you, the
Speaker 5: people of Lebanon, free your country from Krisbala so that
Speaker 5: this war can end. Free your country from Hrisbala. Said
Speaker 5: that your country could prosper again, so that future generations
Speaker 5: of Lebanese and Israeli children will know neither war nor bloodshed,
Speaker 5: but will finally live together in peace.
Speaker 2: Israel has no quarrel with Lebanon, only with Hesbela and
Speaker 2: its Bacha Iran. Israel's success in decimating the Hesbela leadership
Speaker 2: and thousands of terrorists has been swift. It's one of
Speaker 2: the incredible military feats of our time. First the pager
Speaker 2: and walkie talkie attacks and then the most brilliant of all,
Speaker 2: killing Nasrallah while he was watching Netanyahu deliver his United
Speaker 2: Nations address. And it appears that israel strikes against the
Speaker 2: Hesbela leadership may have achieved a significant breakthrough. The terror
Speaker 2: group just last night said it was prepared to enter
Speaker 2: cease fire talks.
Speaker 4: This is an important development.
Speaker 2: The US State Department said it showed Hesbela was and
Speaker 2: I quote, getting bat it and now on the back foot.
Speaker 2: So Israel's focus right now is shifting to Iran. There
Speaker 2: are live talks with America about striking Iran in retaliation
Speaker 2: for the two hundred ballistic missiles it launched last week
Speaker 2: against Israel. There's a push from some Israeli politicians to
Speaker 2: go hard and to strike Iran's nuclear facilities. Israeli politicians
Speaker 2: like Naftali Bennett and Sharen Haskell told me this needs
Speaker 2: to be done before the evil regime develops nuclear weapons.
Speaker 6: So Iran is laid open and now is the exact
Speaker 6: time that we must attack. We must take out the
Speaker 6: nuclear program or at least as severely damage it.
Speaker 7: We need to target those nuclear reactors that Iran has
Speaker 7: been building.
Speaker 4: For years now. There's been many voices, including mine and
Speaker 4: my party members to try.
Speaker 2: And advocate for that, and Canadian Opposition leader Pierre Poliev agrees.
Speaker 1: I think the idea of allowing a genocidal, theocratic, unstable
Speaker 1: dictatorship that is desperate to avoid being overthrown by its
Speaker 1: own people to develop nuclear weapons is about the most
Speaker 1: dangerous and irresponsible thing that the world could ever allow.
Speaker 1: And if Israel were to stop that genocidal, theocratic, unstable
Speaker 1: government from acquiring nuclear weapons, it would be a gift
Speaker 1: by the Jewish state to humanity.
Speaker 2: Well, he has an excellent point, and that's rare strength
Speaker 2: from a Western leader, But there's an American election coming up,
Speaker 2: and Joe Biden doesn't want to go to war with
Speaker 2: Iran less than a month from polling day. Instead, he
Speaker 2: reportedly wants a ceasefire. The relationship between Biden and Ettenyahoo
Speaker 2: has deteriorated in recent months. Biden telephoned Israeli President Isaaczog
Speaker 2: and not Netan Yahoo on the anniversary of October seven,
Speaker 2: and a new book by Watergate journalist Bob Woodward claims
Speaker 2: that Biden yelled at Netanyahoo after he eliminated a Hesbela commander.
Speaker 2: It also claims that Biden called the Israeli Prime Minister
Speaker 2: a liar when Israel sent troops into Rafa. And Israel
Speaker 2: was right to do that, by the way, because they
Speaker 2: rescued hostages.
Speaker 4: In Rafa in a daring mission.
Speaker 2: But Biden has been more worried about American politics then
Speaker 2: bringing home the hostages, even though some of them are
Speaker 2: US citizens or fighting off terrorists. And in Australia, Albanesi
Speaker 2: is even worse. While Israel is trying to defeat the terrorists,
Speaker 2: it seems Albanzi is bringing people into Australia who have
Speaker 2: links to Hermas. The Albanzi government gave a visa to
Speaker 2: a Palestinian man who had hosted her Musk leadership, and
Speaker 2: whose brothers and sons were active members of Palestinian Islamic jihat.
Speaker 2: The Coalition hounded Albinizi over this outrageous decision in Question
Speaker 2: Time Today.
Speaker 3: In two thousand and nineteen, El Hassani reportedly hosted a
Speaker 3: summit of terror organization leaders, which he opened by stating,
Speaker 3: they must quote I quote confront the occupation by all
Speaker 3: possible means. Prime Minister, has the visa of this individual
Speaker 3: been canceled? Have any of the tourist visas granted to
Speaker 3: those coming from the terrorist controlled gars of war Zone
Speaker 3: since October seven, twenty twenty three been canceled? Prime Minister,
Speaker 3: does supporting hamas pass the character test for an Australian visa?
Speaker 2: You can hardly get a more serious issue. But the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister didn't bother to answer. He just handed over
Speaker 2: to Tony Burke.
Speaker 8: The process for all of these visas for people who've
Speaker 8: come from Palestine has been exactly the same for every
Speaker 8: one of them. If at any point our security agencies
Speaker 8: gave advice to the government that a visa should be canceled,
Speaker 8: then the government, of course would take seriously that advice.
Speaker 8: Security agencies never stopped collecting information.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister is now under pressure to cancel this visa,
Speaker 2: but Tony Burke has already made it clear he wouldn't
Speaker 2: send anyone back to Gaza. Well, perhaps these muppets should
Speaker 2: have thought about this before they issued nearly three thousand
Speaker 2: visas to Palestinians without proper security checks.
Speaker 4: They're just not that bright in the Albanzi government. Well.
Speaker 2: Being here in Israel during this war, visiting the sites
Speaker 2: of bloody massacres, seeing the safe rooms riddled with bullet holes,
Speaker 2: I tell you it makes me feel even more angry
Speaker 2: that the Albanezi government has put us all at risk
Speaker 2: by issuing these three thousand visas with inadequate vetting. This
Speaker 2: is a government making dangerous and reckless decisions, decisions that
Speaker 2: are disastrous for social cohesion. By deliberately bringing people to
Speaker 2: our country who may hate Jews and Westerners, who may
Speaker 2: support a genocidal, murderous regime. And if there are any
Speaker 2: Hermas supporters among the Gohort they've brought to Australia.
Speaker 4: Well this could endanger all of our lives.
Speaker 2: Our children deserve better, Australia deserves better.
Speaker 4: Now this next.
Speaker 2: Story I'm about to bring you is one of courage, bravery,
Speaker 2: and resilience.
Speaker 4: It's how a mum saved.
Speaker 2: Her newborn baby while terrorists were banging on the door.
Speaker 4: Of her safe room.
Speaker 2: Have a look.
Speaker 9: We were around about six thirty in the morning. Sirens
Speaker 9: started going off and Amy called me. I was in
Speaker 9: another bedroom and she was sleeping in the safe room
Speaker 9: and she called me to come, so I picked up
Speaker 9: my phone. Funny enough, my little dog got scared and
Speaker 9: he ran into the living room under the couch. I
Speaker 9: ran to the room and I'm on the bed with
Speaker 9: Amy and her husband, Duriel, and I'm laughing because I said, wow, look,
Speaker 9: I'm in bed with my daughter and her husband. And
Speaker 9: I was asking and Ariel said, don't worry, and ten
Speaker 9: minutes we'll be having our early morning coffee. And he
Speaker 9: just went on and on and on and at some stage,
Speaker 9: I mean very close to then Amy decides to look
Speaker 9: at her phone at the camera from the living room
Speaker 9: and she said to me, they're trying to get in
Speaker 9: the Hamas terrorists are trying to get in.
Speaker 10: We felt the house shake when they were trying to
Speaker 10: push in the door and break it down, but they couldn't.
Speaker 10: So what they did, is that they just shot at
Speaker 10: the lock of the door, and that's exactly the same
Speaker 10: time that the electricity just went out.
Speaker 4: We all went into to do what we had to do.
Speaker 4: I took the baby.
Speaker 9: And I put my finger in his mouth to soothe
Speaker 9: him and to stop him crying. And he was only
Speaker 9: being breastfed, so you know, there was a bottle or anything.
Speaker 9: And Amy and Uriel instinctively, I don't know how new
Speaker 9: to hold the handle of the of the safe door up.
Speaker 4: They managed to put it just like price, it's just
Speaker 4: a crack.
Speaker 9: But if you can imagine you've got these monster fighters
Speaker 9: on one side, and you've got.
Speaker 4: This woman who's just had a babe.
Speaker 2: That's what I can't believe that you had the strength
Speaker 2: to win in.
Speaker 4: That battle against the terrorists keeping the door shut. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and of.
Speaker 9: Course she had a difficult birth, so it wasn't an
Speaker 9: easy birth. But one has to understand that Amy is
Speaker 9: a black built in karate and club maga, and she
Speaker 9: was a fighter in the.
Speaker 11: Army and probably a mother's survival instinct for her child
Speaker 11: and the adrenaline of.
Speaker 9: The moment, yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 11: Clap Kai clap, So they couldn't get into the safe room,
Speaker 11: and instead they lit the house on fire.
Speaker 10: And they just dragged the furniture to THEA heard them
Speaker 10: do it. And then suddenly we see from the little
Speaker 10: crowd and see flames, and my husband says, they're burning
Speaker 10: the house.
Speaker 4: And then I guess they ran out.
Speaker 12: We were left to die.
Speaker 9: Then, unfortunately, we heard my dog scream and until he died.
Speaker 9: I don't know if it was two minutes or ten minutes,
Speaker 9: however long it took for them my little dog to die.
Speaker 4: You heard him burn to death in the I screamed.
Speaker 9: He just screamed and screamed. And after that point, I
Speaker 9: just wasn't there anymore. So for the next you have
Speaker 9: to ask gaming because I was on the floor, face
Speaker 9: sixsels this disassociated with.
Speaker 4: Just so distressed.
Speaker 9: I think I just prepared myself to die. That if
Speaker 9: I'd have died, I wouldn't have felt the pain or
Speaker 9: the burning or I don't know. It's what my therapist
Speaker 9: is helping me deal with and come to terms with
Speaker 9: and understand, because I still don't really understand it.
Speaker 4: I don't understand why I couldn't help them, why I.
Speaker 12: Why I gave up that maybe if I hadn't a
Speaker 12: given up, maybe I would have been the one to
Speaker 12: jump out the window or freak out. So you don't
Speaker 12: know if it was a good thing or a bad thing,
Speaker 12: but I do know that I wasn't there to help them.
Speaker 12: In fact, Amy, she's not only got to look after
Speaker 12: a baby, but she's got to look after a.
Speaker 4: Mom as well. And drag me to the window.
Speaker 2: To breathe and so Amy, what advice did the fire
Speaker 2: brigade give you when you spoke.
Speaker 10: To them, Well, first of all, you wanted to know
Speaker 10: what the situation was with the smoke. So what he
Speaker 10: told me was, if we see the ceiling, we're still okay.
Speaker 10: The smoke rises, So I mean, mainly it's to try
Speaker 10: and block the door with anything that was by the
Speaker 10: door most of the time because I was afraid that
Speaker 10: they were going to try and come in again. Yeah,
Speaker 10: so I just kept up so we're still holding. When
Speaker 10: it got too hot, I just took like clothes and
Speaker 10: held the handles and clothes and my husband held Kai
Speaker 10: by the window. Eventually the firefighter said, look, you have
Speaker 10: to get into fresh air if it's possible, cat a
Speaker 10: little opening in the window and just putting up against
Speaker 10: it and let him breathe. I mean, there was soot
Speaker 10: coming out in his mouth and nose. Every time each
Speaker 10: of us held him up to the window, we would
Speaker 10: look out to see if there were any terrorists. And
Speaker 10: then around two o'clock, maybe just before two o'clock in
Speaker 10: the afternoon, there's me in at the window with Kai.
Speaker 10: Too tired to hold him out, so I just lay
Speaker 10: him on the window still. That's the famous picture of
Speaker 10: him on the window still.
Speaker 4: And then I.
Speaker 10: See, oh, I first hear them, I hear Hebrew, and
Speaker 10: then I look at and I see soldiers going through
Speaker 10: house to house, and I just take a beef clothing
Speaker 10: and I just wave it out the window. And I
Speaker 10: didn't say, there they are. They're at the window, and
Speaker 10: I just knew that they were looking for us. They
Speaker 10: knew we were there, and they were there for us.
Speaker 4: And that must have been the most incredible feeling. It
Speaker 4: just made me be.
Speaker 6: It gave me the ability to breathe.
Speaker 10: You know, if you were holding your breath until that
Speaker 10: one moment, and he knew that they were there for
Speaker 10: you and they were going to see you.
Speaker 11: So you saved Kay's life by letting him get that
Speaker 11: air on the window.
Speaker 10: Doing probably the one most dangerous thing we could have.
Speaker 6: Got.
Speaker 2: I got such an incredible story and it's so nice
Speaker 2: that there's at least one positive story to come out
Speaker 2: of October seven.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 2: Colonel Richard Camp is a distinguished commander who led British
Speaker 2: forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. He has in depth experience
Speaker 2: dealing with the threat of terror and place to say.
Speaker 4: He joins me here in Jerusalem.
Speaker 2: Now, first of all, before we get onto Hesbla, I
Speaker 2: want to ask you about the Palestinian visa issue.
Speaker 4: I've been speaking about how.
Speaker 2: The Albanesi government has issued nearly three thousand visas to
Speaker 2: Gazans without adequate security vetting.
Speaker 4: What do you think about this?
Speaker 13: I think is absolutely shocking. The first duty of any
Speaker 13: government is to protect its people, and clearly the Australian
Speaker 13: government in this case is betraying its people. Who do
Speaker 13: they think is going to get out of Gaza. It
Speaker 13: takes a lot of money to get out of Gaza today,
Speaker 13: and the people with money in Gaza are the people
Speaker 13: connected to hamas, so you can guarantee I would suggest
Speaker 13: that the majority of those people, possibly all of them,
Speaker 13: are going to have hamas connections and probably Hamas sympathies,
Speaker 13: and therefore they will potentially, at least some of them
Speaker 13: will endanger citizens within Australia.
Speaker 2: And even without that, I mean, we're seeing such extraordinary
Speaker 2: levels of hatred, of violence, of anti Semitism. The idea
Speaker 2: of importing the conflicts from here to peaceful Australia is shocking.
Speaker 13: Exactly, and we're seeing that the world. Oh we're seeing
Speaker 13: in Britain as well as in Australia and other countries
Speaker 13: around the world, where people who have sympathy, they don't
Speaker 13: care about democracy, they don't care about peace, they have
Speaker 13: sympathy with terrorists, and they are intimidating Jewish populations because
Speaker 13: of their affinity themselves with Israel.
Speaker 2: Now I want to talk to you about the news overnight.
Speaker 2: Basically Hezbla has been beaten into submission. It's now calling
Speaker 2: for a cease fire without Israel moving away from Gaza,
Speaker 2: which is a huge development.
Speaker 13: Isn't it. It shows the immense damage that the Israelis
Speaker 13: have done to his Blah, even just in the last
Speaker 13: few days, but certainly over the last year. They've been
Speaker 13: hitting his blog very hard. In southern Lebon and in particular,
Speaker 13: but also in Beirut. Ever since his blow began its
Speaker 13: war aggression against Israel on the eighth of October last year,
Speaker 13: and they've effectively decapitated his Belot, They've taken out the
Speaker 13: leader of his Bol ISRAELA, They've taken up many of
Speaker 13: the other senior leaders. And I think in this case,
Speaker 13: I've never seen such a widespread and effective campaign of
Speaker 13: attack against leadership of an enemy force. I think Prime
Speaker 13: Minister Netanyahu here is rewriting the book on targeted warfare.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's been utterly extraordinary.
Speaker 2: There's now debate and it seems like disagreement between the
Speaker 2: United States and Israel about exactly what the retaliation strikes
Speaker 2: against Iran should look like. Do you think Israel should
Speaker 2: be targeting the nuclear sites to stop Iran developing nuclear weapons.
Speaker 13: Israel certainly should do that. Whether it's whether now is
Speaker 13: the time or not is an open question, because, of course,
Speaker 13: to do the maximum damage to Iran's nuclear program, it
Speaker 13: does need military support from the US. It can do damage,
Speaker 13: and I think it should try and do some damage.
Speaker 13: But there are other targets as well that can be hit,
Speaker 13: and those include energy installations like oil and gas They
Speaker 13: include military bases, military facilities and capabilities, and all of
Speaker 13: these should be among the target raiser Israel choosers. Whatever
Speaker 13: they decide to hit, they should hit them very very hard.
Speaker 13: Last April, after Iran fired about three hundred plus missiles
Speaker 13: and drones at Israel, Israel responded with a light touch.
Speaker 13: It didn't have the right effect because they not at all.
Speaker 13: So now they've got to deter and they've got to
Speaker 13: hit them, in my view, very very hard.
Speaker 2: Indeed, it doesn't seem to be the appetite from international leadership,
Speaker 2: whether it's Joe Biden in the United States and his
Speaker 2: VP Kamala Harris, whether it's in Britain, in France and Germany, Canada, Australia.
Speaker 2: What's your comment on the international leadership we're seeing at
Speaker 2: the moment in.
Speaker 4: The face of this very real terror threat.
Speaker 13: The leaders in these Western countries understand the threat, they
Speaker 13: know that Israel's doing the right thing. They're just afraid
Speaker 13: of a country standing up for itself. They've forgotten how
Speaker 13: a country needs to stand up for itself to survive.
Speaker 13: It hasn't been a problem for most of these countries
Speaker 13: so many years, and their priority now is to appease
Speaker 13: the anti Israel mobs who are in the minority in
Speaker 13: our countries, but they're allowed and vocal minority, and they
Speaker 13: want to appease them, and particularly so in the United
Speaker 13: States where the election is coming up.
Speaker 2: It's amazing how strong Benjamin Netti, who looks compared to
Speaker 2: some of these other leaders.
Speaker 13: I haven't got the exact quote, but somebody in Australia
Speaker 13: said yesterday, I believe that Netanya who is the Churchill
Speaker 13: of our day, not the Chamberlain of our day, and
Speaker 13: I think that's absolutely right. He's an extremely strong leader.
Speaker 13: He's been criticized and vilified around the world by other leaders,
Speaker 13: including President Biden, but everything he's done has shown to
Speaker 13: be right and proved to be right. And when you
Speaker 13: have his ballaar almost offering to have a ceasefire, when
Speaker 13: you have, for example, I think President is Sad in
Speaker 13: Syria has spoken about getting Iranian militias out of his country.
Speaker 13: You know, you have a very very nervous Iran now
Speaker 13: which doesn't really know what to do. This shows that
Speaker 13: Netanyahu's strategy is on the right foot. And you know, okay,
Speaker 13: Gaza has gone on for a long time now that
Speaker 13: war has gone a long time, but it's a very
Speaker 13: complex war. But Israel's been extremely successful in that war.
Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of international leaders are urging YETNYA
Speaker 2: who to wrap up the war, but the fact remains
Speaker 2: there are one hundred hostages still being held in Gaza,
Speaker 2: so Israel needs to bring those hostages home before it
Speaker 2: can pack up and go home.
Speaker 13: Israel must do everything it can. But I believe it's
Speaker 13: been doing everything it can to both defeat Hamas and
Speaker 13: bring the hostages back, and it must continue that campaign.
Speaker 13: There's obviously a friction between those two objectives, but they
Speaker 13: are potentially both achievable and as far as his Blas concerned,
Speaker 13: As far as Lebanon's concerned, we're hearing also from politicians
Speaker 13: in Lebanon huge dissatisfaction now with Iran actually with his
Speaker 13: blare and speaking out against it. Now is not the time,
Speaker 13: in my view, to come to any ceasefign level, and
Speaker 13: now is the time to smash the hell out of
Speaker 13: his BLA as effectively and as violently as they can,
Speaker 13: because if you don't, if you have a ceasefire now
Speaker 13: without having guarantees of withdrawal of his balla to the north,
Speaker 13: without having guarantees of disarmament of his BLA. All you're
Speaker 13: doing is kicking the can down the road instead of
Speaker 13: doing what you need to do is just smash the counterpieces.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating how they continually call for a ceasefire and
Speaker 2: for you know, abiding by international agreements. But the reality
Speaker 2: is after the Second Lebanon Will, there was the United
Speaker 2: Nations seven oh one resolution which said that Hezbela needs
Speaker 2: to remain north of the Latiny River. They haven't done that.
Speaker 2: Instead they militarize the south. Yet the media around the
Speaker 2: world presented as somehow Israel being the aggressor. I mean,
Speaker 2: being here in Israel, and you've been in Israel for
Speaker 2: most of the past year, you see that there are
Speaker 2: hundreds of rockets a day target Israel in the north,
Speaker 2: targeting families in the north.
Speaker 13: There was a massive barrage only yesterday against Haifa further
Speaker 13: south in Israel. Fortunately the idea of for got the
Speaker 13: capability of intercepting most of these missiles. But you can't
Speaker 13: be it can never be one hundred percent. And I
Speaker 13: think you know the key issue here is not just
Speaker 13: Resolution seventeen seventy one, which you mentioned, which requires his
Speaker 13: blat to withdraw north of the Litani River, about eighteen
Speaker 13: miles north of the Israeli border. There's also a previous resolution,
Speaker 13: I think it's fifteen fifty nine something like that, which
Speaker 13: required the disarmament of Isbela. Neither of these two things
Speaker 13: have happened. And the UNIFIL United Nations Peacekeeping Organization has
Speaker 13: twelve thousand peacekeepers or had twelve thousand peacekeepers in Lebanon
Speaker 13: whose job is to enforce it. Yet it hasn't happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and no cause for a ceasefire.
Speaker 2: By the way, while Hezbela was firing, Israel or anyone's
Speaker 2: rostouts response. Good to see you, klonelpreciate your time, Jimmy Jerusalem,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Well, plenty more to come. How
Speaker 2: damaged is alban easy? After his humiliating apology over at
Speaker 2: Tourette's syndrome insult in Parliament, Rich Oh and Michael Kroger
Speaker 2: would join me shortly. Plus a mother whose son was
Speaker 2: murdered at the Nova Music Festival will be on the show.
Speaker 2: She'll tell us about her trip to Australia in her
Speaker 2: son's honor.
Speaker 4: That's after this quick break.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, well, mum Tully Kishner's son Segev, just twenty two,
Speaker 2: was killed by hermas at the Nova Music Festival. Tully
Speaker 2: woke up in the morning, heard something was wrong and
Speaker 2: was madly texting.
Speaker 4: Her son, but he never answered. He'd sadly been murdered.
Speaker 2: And Tully joins me here, now, thank you very much
Speaker 2: for being here. Tell me what happened to Segev on
Speaker 2: the morning of October seven.
Speaker 7: It took us about four days to understand what happened.
Speaker 4: At first, we had no clue. We were seeking for
Speaker 4: any piece of information.
Speaker 7: Getting very terrifying, horrifying messages from the media, and you know,
Speaker 7: people were trying to understand what's going on. Where my
Speaker 7: husband went to the hospitals and we knew that he
Speaker 7: was not wounded. So after two days we understood that
Speaker 7: either he has been killed or maybe he was kidnapped
Speaker 7: and he's kept us a hostage. But on the fourth day,
Speaker 7: his friend that was together with him knocked on the door.
Speaker 7: He was very heavily wounded, early standing and he told
Speaker 7: us that he was.
Speaker 4: With in this shelter and he was lying.
Speaker 7: Under the sag of his body for six hours and
Speaker 7: say it was it was dad, for sure, and that
Speaker 7: was the way that we regard them.
Speaker 2: Use so sorry, tally, so so tough, and especially one
Speaker 2: year on and you're reliving it all and retelling the stories.
Speaker 2: You managed to retrieve some recordings from the shelter. Can
Speaker 2: you tell us about those recordings now?
Speaker 7: At every opportunity, I'm saying that we're really privileged. There
Speaker 7: were privileged in the way that we had an opportunity
Speaker 7: to see the last goodbye to our son. We privileged
Speaker 7: because we had the grieve to come and quiet, and
Speaker 7: we're privileged that we had a precious opportunity to know
Speaker 7: me by minute what happened to him, because it's the
Speaker 7: courage of his friends, one of his friends who is survivor,
Speaker 7: Ima Shapir, and another friend who was tragically killed near him.
Speaker 7: I yelled, and she was a young reporter, uh and
Speaker 7: and she just went when this horri final texts started,
Speaker 7: she pressed the button and she has recorded all the event,
Speaker 7: minute by minute.
Speaker 4: Of this horror says So it must be so hard
Speaker 4: to listen to that. It's another difficult Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I couldn't, of course listen for all the recorded once.
Speaker 7: It took me a lot of time and of course,
Speaker 7: I couldn't. I couldn't listen to this at home. I
Speaker 7: was taking my phone to the cemetery and just being
Speaker 7: with Saga together, was trying to listen to this. And
Speaker 7: you know, the main thing is there there were twenty
Speaker 7: seven people there in the bone shelter. There were different
Speaker 7: people from difficult different political around, different political views.
Speaker 4: They were Muslims, there were Jews.
Speaker 14: They were really very precious Israel, very small Israel in
Speaker 14: this bone shelter, and they were so respectful to each other.
Speaker 7: They were so loving, caring and and unbelievably human to
Speaker 7: each other. They were taking care and Annel Shapire was
Speaker 7: throwing the grenades outside the bone shelter and when he
Speaker 7: when he was killed, my son was just behind.
Speaker 4: He was taking care of.
Speaker 7: This, uh, you know interaction here they were trying to
Speaker 7: kill the police.
Speaker 4: They were superheroes.
Speaker 7: They were simply super so.
Speaker 4: Brave, so brave. Tali.
Speaker 2: Now you've done an incredible installation at the airport here
Speaker 2: in Tel Aviv in honor of your son Angels.
Speaker 4: Can you tell us about this artwork.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that our Israel is bleeding and the
Speaker 7: main thing we need to do is stand together.
Speaker 4: And you know, the.
Speaker 15: Loss is incredible, and it started on the October sevens
Speaker 15: but it's going on every day. We have funerals, we
Speaker 15: have memorial services, and it's a great strategy, and we
Speaker 15: wanted to show to the people the beauty of themselves.
Speaker 4: Everybody.
Speaker 7: They're almost in one thousand and seven hundred people that
Speaker 7: were lost during this terrible year, and in their memory
Speaker 7: we want to be united together.
Speaker 4: It's so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Telligence very quickly and tell us you visited Australia and
Speaker 2: it had always been your son's dream to come to
Speaker 2: our beautiful country.
Speaker 7: You have an incredible country, you have so much, so
Speaker 7: many loving people and beautiful views, and I really fell
Speaker 7: in love with your country.
Speaker 4: And I'm worrying all the time. This one, this is
Speaker 4: the heart to sell the director that had got in Sydney. Bye, Silvia,
Speaker 4: and thank you.
Speaker 7: So much for being such a great friends of Israel
Speaker 7: and stand with us in this very difficult time.
Speaker 4: Thank you Tully for being here. Really really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: All right, still to come on the show.
Speaker 2: Albanezi's humiliating apology over a Turette insult in parliament plus
Speaker 2: the high profile restaurant are charged after holding an anti
Speaker 2: Semitic sign. Well, Richo and Michael Kroger will fire up
Speaker 2: with their views on this after the break. Okay, let's
Speaker 2: have a look at a couple of the big issues
Speaker 2: dominating Australian politics. The Prime Minister has been forced to
Speaker 2: eat a big slice of humble pie after he was
Speaker 2: accused of mocking people with disabilities. Here were his original
Speaker 2: comments in question time.
Speaker 16: The idea that where have you got tourets or something?
Speaker 5: You know, you know, you see the bamble bamble bab order.
Speaker 16: Are we drawing, mister speaker?
Speaker 6: Are we draw?
Speaker 4: Are we drink? We join and apologize.
Speaker 2: Alban Easy returned to the Lower House later and this
Speaker 2: is how he apologized.
Speaker 16: I made comments that were unkind and hurtful. I knew
Speaker 16: it was wrong as soon as I made the comment.
Speaker 16: I apologized and I withdrew as soon as I said it.
Speaker 16: But it shouldn't have happened. And I also want to
Speaker 16: apologize to all Australians who suffer from this disability.
Speaker 2: Well, let's bring in now farmer Victorian Liberal Party President
Speaker 2: of Michael Kroger and Farmer Labor Minister Gray Richardson. Welcome, gentleman, Michael,
Speaker 2: this is hypocritical, coming from the man who promised during
Speaker 2: the election campaign to do politics differently.
Speaker 17: Well, first of all, congratulations Show on your extraordinary reporting
Speaker 17: from Israel. We've just been outstanding. But on this issue, Look,
Speaker 17: it was very unprime ministerial. It was silly, it was childish,
Speaker 17: and you know, people with disabilities are not to be mocked.
Speaker 17: I mean, that's you know, I mean a number of
Speaker 17: people made this point. Jane here made this point, I
Speaker 17: mean seriously, to make fun of it in Parliament. Yes,
Speaker 17: he apologize, but boy, this guy's under a lot of
Speaker 17: pressure and it's showing, and it's unfortunately. It's something he'll
Speaker 17: never live down, and nor should Penny Wong, who said
Speaker 17: the same thing in the Senate a decade ago.
Speaker 2: As we know, rich O, surely not even you are
Speaker 2: made of elbows, can defend this one.
Speaker 18: Now, no one can defend this one. He made a mistake,
Speaker 18: he stuffed up, and he's paid a bit of a
Speaker 18: penalty for it.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, let's turn to this story.
Speaker 2: This is a big front page story today and I
Speaker 2: know it's shocked a lot of people.
Speaker 4: I've been shocked by it.
Speaker 2: A prominent restaurant, the owner of Nomad in Sydney, has
Speaker 2: been charged with holding an anti Semitic sign at a
Speaker 2: pro Palestinian rally over the weekend. Now New Southeles police
Speaker 2: have charged Alan Yasbeck for allegedly holding a sign of
Speaker 2: the Israeli flag with the Nazi swastika in the center.
Speaker 2: Michael Kroger, everyone has to boycott his restaurants now, Shirley.
Speaker 17: Well, I'd hope so. I mean, this is a man
Speaker 17: who's equating Jews with Nazis. What a profoundly ignorant foolless
Speaker 17: guy is. And his restaurant on the corner of Collin
Speaker 17: Street and Queen Street in Melbourne is a very high
Speaker 17: and well known restaurant which I've been to. I'll never
Speaker 17: be going back there, and I'll be telling anyone that
Speaker 17: I know who's been there never to go again. If
Speaker 17: this type of Jewish hating racism is the view of
Speaker 17: the owner of that restaurant, I don't know about his
Speaker 17: wife's view, but it's certainly his view to hold that
Speaker 17: disgusting flag never again in his restaurants, and shame on
Speaker 17: him for this disgusting display of historical ignorance and inhumanity.
Speaker 17: Absolutely disgusting performance by this guy.
Speaker 2: And rich are the Australians already reporting that there have
Speaker 2: been cancelations at Nomad?
Speaker 18: Well, I hope there have been cancelations at Nomad, and
Speaker 18: I hope there'll be many more. This is an unforgivable act,
Speaker 18: a disgraceful act, beneath the dignity of any decent person.
Speaker 18: As far as I'm concerned, I would never go to
Speaker 18: this restaurant, and I have There's a lot of people
Speaker 18: have got that same view.
Speaker 4: All right, well, let's.
Speaker 2: Talk about the front page of the Daily Telegraph today.
Speaker 2: I mentioned it earlier in the show. I spoke about
Speaker 2: it with Colonel Richard Camp, and now Peter Darton is
Speaker 2: demanding an explanation for how a Palestinian man was granted
Speaker 2: a visa to Australia despite associating with political members of
Speaker 2: Hamas and other terror organizations in Gaza. As we've been saying,
Speaker 2: Fayeza Hassani has been in Australia since July.
Speaker 4: We don't know whether his application was even referred to.
Speaker 4: Asio Michael, this isn't a surprise.
Speaker 2: We've been warning this would happen if you bring three
Speaker 2: thousand people in from Gaza.
Speaker 4: Without doing any security checks.
Speaker 17: Well, absolutely, and we can't get any answers in the parliament.
Speaker 17: Tony Burke, who stocks had risen in certainly labor circles
Speaker 17: after his performance in his previous ministry. They loved him
Speaker 17: and the press did. But certainly in this portfolio Burke
Speaker 17: has not done well and you'd have expected him to
Speaker 17: be more fulsome and explaining in the Australian public what's
Speaker 17: going on. No, he's fallen into that terrible trap of
Speaker 17: just saying, you know, we rely on the you know,
Speaker 17: security agencies and you know if you don't support them,
Speaker 17: well that's up to you. Well that's not an answer.
Speaker 17: I mean, that's not an answer. This is exactly what
Speaker 17: people want to know. Are people coming to this country
Speaker 17: who have associations with terrorists? And this person clearly does.
Speaker 17: Why are they coming into Australia. Why because Burke and
Speaker 17: a few people want to hang on to their seats
Speaker 17: in Western Sydney. I mean, this is this is appalling.
Speaker 17: As Greg Shearan has said, this government lacks any moral
Speaker 17: clarity in relation to these issues. In relation to Israel
Speaker 17: in the Middle East and now in relation to this
Speaker 17: three thousand visas. You know, we can't find any country
Speaker 17: in the world has issued more than a couple of hundred,
Speaker 17: yet three thousand to Australia. Why not Egypt? Why didn't
Speaker 17: you get a visa to Egypt or Jordan or somewhere else. No,
Speaker 17: he comes here. So this is a shocking black mark
Speaker 17: against the government. It's profoundly ignorant of them to be
Speaker 17: taking so many people without proper security checks. Obviously, Shari
Speaker 17: he did not have a security check and he should
Speaker 17: not be in this country.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, our government has utterly failed us here. Rich the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister, is going to have to cancel this visa.
Speaker 2: But the difficulty is that Tony Burke has said publicly
Speaker 2: no one is being sent.
Speaker 4: Back to Gaza, So what are they What are they
Speaker 4: going to do now?
Speaker 2: What are they going to do when it does emerge
Speaker 2: like in this case that someone has links to her mus.
Speaker 18: Well, it really is you can't transfer him unto the ether,
Speaker 18: so you've got to do something with him that's that's
Speaker 18: tangible and that everyone can see. Seems to me that
Speaker 18: Australians overwhelmingly don't want this kind of person in Australia
Speaker 18: have to say neither to why And as far as
Speaker 18: I'm concerned he should be booted.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I think.
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi and Penny Wang and suddenly Tony Burke need
Speaker 2: to come here. They need to do what I did
Speaker 2: and walk through Kidbootzberri, which was one of the hardest hit.
Speaker 2: See the burnt out houses, See the safe rooms that
Speaker 2: are riddled with bullets, See the fact that little children
Speaker 2: and babies were murdered, were slaughtered. They need to go
Speaker 2: to the side of the music festival and then maybe
Speaker 2: they will start to understand what a serious threat he
Speaker 2: Muss is because at the.
Speaker 4: Moment they clearly just don't get it.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about former Labor senator and activist Fatima Payment.
Speaker 2: She's officially announced that she's got a new policy party.
Speaker 4: It's called Australia's Voice.
Speaker 2: She's an independent senator now she's no longer sitting with Labor.
Speaker 4: We don't know any details, Michael Kroger.
Speaker 2: We can only assume that she's going to target some
Speaker 2: seats across the country where there are high Muslim populations.
Speaker 2: Do you think that Labour needs to be worried about
Speaker 2: her new political party.
Speaker 17: No, I don't. I don't think they need to be
Speaker 17: worried about her at all. She resigned from the Labor
Speaker 17: Party because the Labor Party extreme enough on the Middle East,
Speaker 17: so you know, hello, So that means she's just appealing
Speaker 17: to a small number of Australians who basically attend those
Speaker 17: rallies and demonstrations. She said she's broader than that. She's
Speaker 17: not just a Muslim party. She's got all sorts of
Speaker 17: other views, none of which we know about. She won't
Speaker 17: win any rep seats, she's got zero chance of that,
Speaker 17: and I doubt she'll win a Senate seat. And you know,
Speaker 17: taking the name of the Voice is quite clever because
Speaker 17: she's even though she denied this, she's very clearly trying
Speaker 17: to make people think, well, well, this has got something
Speaker 17: to do with the Voice, which forty per cent of
Speaker 17: the country voted for. So there will be people that
Speaker 17: donkey vote and think this has something to do with
Speaker 17: the Voice and vote for for that reason. But otherwise
Speaker 17: I don't think there's any Reasonaby anying would't vote for
Speaker 17: her party at all.
Speaker 4: To be quite frank, no, yeah, kind of strange. Richard.
Speaker 2: What do you think about or what can you tell
Speaker 2: us from your internal conversations with senior Labor figures about
Speaker 2: how worried labor is not just about Fatima Payman, but
Speaker 2: about these other Muslim candidates that are running in Western
Speaker 2: Sydney marginal seats.
Speaker 18: I don't think labour's too worried. I've had conversations with
Speaker 18: a number of people about this, and I think the
Speaker 18: view most generally is that very few of these candidates
Speaker 18: will draw many votes, and most of them will just
Speaker 18: get a few votes and disappear into history, and I
Speaker 18: think no one will remember their names, and that's a good.
Speaker 2: Thing, all right, all right, Well that's all we've got
Speaker 2: time for Michael Kroger.
Speaker 4: Thank you for your kind words at the start.
Speaker 2: Gray and Richardson, I'll see you both back in Australia
Speaker 2: next week.
Speaker 4: Now still to come in the show.
Speaker 2: The World shed tears when Israeli hostage Carmel gat was
Speaker 2: executed by Hermas because Israeli forces had been on the
Speaker 2: verge of rescuing her or her cousin would join me
Speaker 2: here next.
Speaker 4: Welcome back well.
Speaker 2: On October seven, Carmel Gatt was visiting her parents at
Speaker 2: Kibbutz Barri when she was abducted by Hermas. There was
Speaker 2: hope for Carmel's safe return. But there on September first
Speaker 2: this year, her body was recovered by the IDF in
Speaker 2: a tunnel in Gaza, along with five other hostages. She'd
Speaker 2: been executed in cold blood, and her cousin Shae Dickman
Speaker 2: joins me here. Now, Shaye, this is devastating because Israeli
Speaker 2: forces were so close by, and we believe that is
Speaker 2: why hermas decided to execute them.
Speaker 19: What can you tell us, Yes, the terrorists for the trigger.
Speaker 19: This is what we were afraid for all this time.
Speaker 19: We knew there is a gun pointed at Carmel's head
Speaker 19: for three hundred and twenty eight days, and we knew
Speaker 19: that she was holding on the two hostages, two teenagers
Speaker 19: that came back on November in the deal told us
Speaker 19: that Carmel was the guardian angel, She.
Speaker 4: Was a source of hope.
Speaker 19: She was doing yoga with them and trying to save
Speaker 19: their souls and their minds until the woman. They were released,
Speaker 19: but Carmel was left behind. And all along this time
Speaker 19: we were pushing for a deal, a deal that would
Speaker 19: save lives, and we knew that Carmel is still in
Speaker 19: the hands of the same terrorists that torn her from
Speaker 19: her family that murdered her mother and we were afraid
Speaker 19: just from this moment that happened.
Speaker 2: In the end, I'm so sorry what your family spent her.
Speaker 2: It's just so horrific. Now you mentioned Carmel's mother was murdered,
Speaker 2: So on October seven, she was visiting her parents at
Speaker 2: kidboards Array. Now take us through the story, because it's
Speaker 2: quite extraordinary. Her mother saw her mass approaching from the
Speaker 2: kitchen window and then what happened.
Speaker 19: Right, So, Carmel was in the safe room with all
Speaker 19: of the family. You can see her beautiful niece and
Speaker 19: her niece is covering her ears because of the bombing,
Speaker 19: and Carmel, inside this horror and terror, found the inner
Speaker 19: power to take a book from the shelf and read
Speaker 19: to her tree a half year old niece. And just
Speaker 19: at ten thirty knet her mother went to the kitchen
Speaker 19: to bring some food and water to everybody, and then
Speaker 19: from the window of the kitchen she saw the terrorists
Speaker 19: and the last thing that she managed to do is
Speaker 19: to warn her husband, Eschel, and she saved his life.
Speaker 4: He went to hide in the toilet.
Speaker 19: No one could have known that the toilet would be
Speaker 19: the one room that the terrorists would not invade. And
Speaker 19: Eschel saw one by one how his kids and his
Speaker 19: granddaughter are taken by the terrorists.
Speaker 2: Sausage, and there was nothing he could do to say
Speaker 2: he was helpless. Yes, and so the three and a
Speaker 2: half year old Camel's nace. You just showed us a
Speaker 2: picture of such a beautiful little girl. So she was
Speaker 2: taken hostage, is that right?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 19: So alone Carmel's brother, he was taken with his wife
Speaker 19: and child, three and a half year old Geffen. They
Speaker 19: were put in a car and taken by the terrorists
Speaker 19: with another guy from the Kibbutz who was put in
Speaker 19: the trunk, and four terrorists inside this tiny car. And
Speaker 19: the car was driving, and at a certain point a
Speaker 19: tank came by and three of the four terrorists just
Speaker 19: took off. They were afraid from the tank and alone,
Speaker 19: your then Geffen and Tal were left with the driver.
Speaker 19: The car was driving, and Alone said to her, then
Speaker 19: this is the time we're taking off, and they.
Speaker 4: Took off from the car. They escaped.
Speaker 19: They escaped while the car was driving. Then was holding
Speaker 19: Geffen and they started running. And you then realized that
Speaker 19: her daughter's best chance to survive is if she passes
Speaker 19: her to Alan who's running faster, and she passed Geffen
Speaker 19: and she told him save our daughter, even though she
Speaker 19: stayed behind. And this is what alone did, and he managed,
Speaker 19: he managed, He saved his daughter. Rden was kidnapped, taken
Speaker 19: hostage into Gaza.
Speaker 4: So so tough.
Speaker 2: So she was then released in that first negotiated deal
Speaker 2: in Bember last year.
Speaker 19: I'd like to show you this beautiful picture was taken
Speaker 19: after her mom coming home to her, her mom coming
Speaker 19: home to her, and we told Geffen that even though
Speaker 19: she saw she saw everything in her own eyes. We
Speaker 19: told her that the bad guys took her. She saw
Speaker 19: the bad guys. They took her, and we lost her,
Speaker 19: but we're going to find her. And we did. We
Speaker 19: found mom and today well get some fitting in the
Speaker 19: Friday dinner table and she calls mom, Mom is coming
Speaker 19: and this is what we are waiting for for dozens
Speaker 19: of hugs.
Speaker 2: Still one hundred and one hostages remaining. All right, Shaye,
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Really appreciate you
Speaker 2: sharing your story with Australia.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Sherry, and that's.
Speaker 2: All we have time for Tonight. Tomorrow is my last
Speaker 2: show from Israel. So don't miss at eight o'clock tomorrow night,
Speaker 2: live from Jerusalem. But right now, here's Paul Murray.