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Speaker 1: He was distracting, and he was throwing up smoke bombs

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the eighth update episode of Dear Rochelle. You're

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Speaker 3: behind the scenes access to this live podcast investigation series.

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Speaker 3: I'm your host, Ashley Hanson. As we reported in our

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Speaker 3: last bonus episode, Kevin Stephen Carell, the key suspect in

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Speaker 3: the murder of Rochelle Childs, was found dead in Thailand

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Speaker 3: on Friday, the eighteenth of July twenty twenty five. A

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Speaker 3: questions about what this means for Rochelle's case. Now that

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Speaker 4: Joining me on.

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Speaker 3: This episode a two of my fellow journalists who've been

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Speaker 3: How did you react when you heard Kevin had died?

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Speaker 2: I was shocked, like everybody else, I would say. My

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Speaker 1: And Patrick, you look, I think you texted me very

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Speaker 1: Going what this doesn't compute of all the possibilities throughout

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Speaker 1: first impression. The second was relief. I think for all

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Speaker 1: There was so much detail in his where he said

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Speaker 5: And I mean we already traced his alibi that night.

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Speaker 4: Now, what would you like to see happen now?

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Speaker 5: Patrick, Look, there's still so many facts that we don't know, Ash.

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Speaker 5: I think if Kevin was responsible for Rochelle's death.

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Speaker 3: The hell happened For you, Charlotte, can you give us

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Speaker 5: Look, I think Kevin was obsessed with Rochelle.

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Speaker 3: The truth absolutely, and also we need to know if

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Speaker 3: somebody else was involved, if somebody else assisted.

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Speaker 4: In any way, or maybe.

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Speaker 3: It wasn't Kevin, and there is someone else, a mystery

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Speaker 3: person that is unidentifiable at this stage that may be involved.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it's extremely unlikely, but we have

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Speaker 3: to leave that door open as well.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think you can't defame a dead person.

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Speaker 1: I think Kevin is wrapped up to the eyeballs and

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Speaker 1: I think his reactions and his sponsors from the day

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Speaker 1: after Raschelle's body was found too, when you confronted him

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Speaker 1: earlier this year, they do speak of a guilty conscience.

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Speaker 5: To me, set out to hurt Rochelle, certainly.

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Speaker 1: And he managed the bluffy his way through a police

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Speaker 1: investigation and a review of that investigation and a coronal inquest.

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Speaker 1: In the same way he took the stand in four

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Speaker 1: separate sexual attacks in the early eighties, he backed himself in.

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Speaker 1: There's almost a cockiness, there's a belief that he could

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Speaker 1: beat the system, and I think that's true in nine

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Speaker 1: to eighty two when he attacked a woman in Liverpool,

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Speaker 1: in the same way, he took the stand at the

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Speaker 1: coronal inquest and actually chose to answer some questions knowing

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Speaker 1: full well, that he was involved in the death.

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Speaker 5: That's an unusual That's an unusual character, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: Somebody who can actually beat the system again and believe

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Speaker 1: that he can beat the system again and again and again.

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Speaker 3: Yes, a very complex man and a person that we're

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Speaker 3: still very much investigating and trying to figure out. As

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Speaker 3: soon as we have any more answers, will we bring

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Speaker 3: them to our listeners. Thanks Patrick and Charlotte, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: Thanks sir. The search for answers continues. If you have

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Speaker 3: any information you want to share with me, Ashley Hanson,

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Speaker 3: you can do so confidentially. Please send an email to

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Speaker 3: dear Rochelle at News dot com dot au. Remember, Eligible

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