1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:01,400 Speaker 1: Tuesday track. 2 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 2: Watch the Crow's main session as they steal themselves for 3 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: the rebounds, or the Magpies keep ticking over with Bobby 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 2: Hill presence. 5 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,319 Speaker 3: The Queensland Grudge gets the heightened stage of finals. A 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 3: key protagonist and the ultimate antagonist join us. 7 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 2: And raises report card on the Friday night furor how 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 2: did we get here with prohibited contacts we've talked about? 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 4: Is this step into it? 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 5: Embrace all of it in the room and eat it. 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 1: It's unedifying for a senior coach to do that. They're 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: on the side of courtia with the brain, take the 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 1: man on it. 14 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: They played the best footy I've ever seen at the 15 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 2: start of the season, and injury said president left the 16 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 2: couple older say, of course they do. 17 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:44,639 Speaker 1: It is the stuff that legends are made of. 18 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 4: What is holding the ball? 19 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 3: I don't think I could answer it clearly right now 20 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 3: that I could do something. 21 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 4: Wrong, you know, And I need to get and the 22 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 4: board sets. 23 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: The fans love it and with no fans no through 24 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: sixty year. 25 00:00:56,160 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 2: Old, the Pineapple Grapple, the Sunshine stouts. We should have 26 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: brought our four exes. It's a week to be dialed 27 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: into everything. 28 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: Queensland I watch you shotgun. We should be up there, Jude. 29 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 3: That's where we could have done and just parked ourselves outside, 30 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 3: like some of the big names that wanted up there, 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 3: just to bask in the glory of what's taking place 32 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 3: up in Queensland. 33 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 5: It is the place to be. 34 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: The Little Champ was on Judy, the ultimate little Champ. 35 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 3: I heard this bandit around a Little Champ a bit 36 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 3: over the weekend. This is the ultimate little Champion, Gary, 37 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:32,759 Speaker 3: but one of the. 38 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 5: Greatest of all time. 39 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: He's gone up. 40 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 5: There to pump the game up here. 41 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: So you want all the great names in Queensland for 42 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:39,200 Speaker 1: to be there. 43 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: And all we wanted to know was how did gazz 44 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 2: take in and what do you think when the Suns 45 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: had their biggest moment yet really. 46 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 4: Enjoyed it was. 47 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: I was very nervous. 48 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 4: I actually turned the game off for three quarter time. 49 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 5: I couldn't watch the last quarter. 50 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 6: So as I as I just said, I actually turned 51 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 6: the game off for three quarter time. 52 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: Came off at three quarters top. 53 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 5: Would you go up and pump the game? 54 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, when you give it, but you'll give it a 55 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 3: bit extra. 56 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: Don't you worry about that? What do you think of it? 57 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: I was in bed. 58 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: Actually I couldn't watch the last core on the plane, 59 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: could just. 60 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 3: Run fast asleep. 61 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: I did see any of it. 62 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: God love him alright, us lorded up for it tonight, 63 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 2: Ray Chamberlain, Dwayne Russell's here and we're heading to Queensland. 64 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: Danes Orco and Ben King on either side of this 65 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 2: Q clash in a final series. Then midweek tackle Lauren 66 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,519 Speaker 2: Wood with Scott Gallen and Josh Barnes. Is so much 67 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 2: happening in footy at the moment, especially for the teams 68 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: who are out of business now. Twelve of those tomorrow 69 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: night our favorite pairing. They make us smarter every week. 70 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 2: Adam Simpson and John Longmire. Brad Scott is going to 71 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 2: be here. There are pertinent questions to answer around Essen 72 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: at the moment. They want to set the record straight. 73 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 3: Yes, and there'll be a whole heap of fans will 74 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 3: be hanging off every word. 75 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: And the new Grizzly Jock Landale is going to join us. 76 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: That's pretty cool. 77 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 5: I hope you're up to. 78 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: We will better get benj on the case. 79 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: Hey, at this time of year, we just take a 80 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: little peek into training where it's all magnified isn't it. 81 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 2: So the Crows are on Adelaide Oval tonight. It's significant 82 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: obviously just to get themselves right for what's coming on 83 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 2: Friday night, but especially for Joshua Shelley who's been out 84 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: of business. Well, he's missed eight matches now, so Round 85 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 2: seventeen was the last time he played. The left knee, 86 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 2: the PCL and the complex injury that he had there. 87 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 2: He is ahead of schedule, but can he force himself 88 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: into the side. The Crows are out of business in 89 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 2: the sanfl so all he's got is training to prove 90 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: himself and Isaac Rankin now that there is the possibility 91 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: he is back on the track and reintegrated. 92 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 1: With the team. 93 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 3: So Darren Burgers is the main man there from a 94 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 3: strength and conditioning none better in the business. And I 95 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 3: suspect they'll they'll play this young man. I'll be without 96 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: any great knowledge just from Afar. We saw Collingwood, you know, 97 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 3: bring back Mason Cox, not from injury, mind you, but 98 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: took a risk with him though tomorrow I think they'll 99 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 3: play him. He looks like a player that might thrive 100 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 3: on this big stage. So it doesn't look like he's 101 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: moving like a rolls Royce. But is training. I think 102 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: it's important. It's a bit of exorcism happening in here 103 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 3: as well. Get back out on the stage where you're 104 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: all failed, look at each other in the eye and 105 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: own up and then get on with it and put 106 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: it then after training, put it to bed and let's 107 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 3: get looking forward to Hawthorne. 108 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 5: So I think you'll play, but we will wait and see. 109 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 2: Colin would a ticking over. They've got their big public 110 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: session tomorrow. The question constantly the mator is Bobby Hill there? 111 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: Now? 112 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: There is a much bigger game at play than what 113 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: we're looking at just a football. 114 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: Sort of things. 115 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 2: But can he be viable for a preliminary final? And 116 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 2: Jeremy how is out on the track now He's going 117 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 2: to be with his next Tuesday night. It's Saturday week 118 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: when they're likely to play, so time is his ally. 119 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: But I think the Bobby Hill conversation is the fascinating one, and. 120 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:55,360 Speaker 3: It is drive lots of the Bay on radio and 121 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: television and Colin inches in papers, but no one knows. 122 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: We're all guessing so in terms of his preparation, in 123 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: terms of how much work he's done and how many 124 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 3: boxes he's ticked. From a whole footy club point of view, 125 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: we've got no idea and anyone that suggests they do, 126 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 3: apart from those on the inside, would be guessing. So 127 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: if he plays, you've got to assume that, you know, 128 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: he's satisfied the criteria that Craig McCrae's put down, and 129 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: they've got it right more often than not Collingwood in 130 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 3: recent times. On pure form and history. He would be 131 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: a beautiful addition into that team. There's no question about that. 132 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 3: But aside from that, we know nothing. 133 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 2: And it said as Bobby had asked him to give 134 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 2: him a glimmer of hope. The glimmer of hope is there. 135 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: He was able to play that scratch match. Attendance is 136 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: obviously compulsory from here, and as you said, what we 137 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 2: don't know is the standards in the locker room and 138 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 2: whether he's actually been able to meet those or not, 139 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 2: and whether it would be the right thing to do 140 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: by those standards to bring him in a football side 141 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: of things. 142 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: So that's for them, yeah, And. 143 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: Who missus out is on the basis of a team 144 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: that went over and did what they did last week, 145 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 3: So yep, that is one that we will speculate on 146 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 3: for two weeks until such time as the team's announced, 147 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: and if they get through there, we'll do it again. 148 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 5: If he doesn't play all the way up to the Grand. 149 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 3: Final, but again over to the Magpies, and they've got 150 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 3: it right most times. 151 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 2: A couple of the teams who are planning for the future. 152 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: So Sam Draper confirmed to Essen today that he is 153 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 2: going to exercise his free agency. This has been a 154 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: conversation that's been going for months now. The Brisbane lines 155 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: were the favorite throughout Adelaide have made a move. He 156 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: didn't tip his hand with the Bombers today. It's widely 157 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 2: believed that he will go to the Lions, and he 158 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: does look like precisely what the Lions need just to recap. 159 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 2: So he spoke about how difficult this period has been 160 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 2: mentally and physically. So if you go back to twenty 161 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 2: twenty one, he had the cindismosis, he misses twelve weeks, 162 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: then he plays all of twenty twenty two fourteen games, 163 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 2: sixteen games, five games, knee surgery, the Achilles surgery. 164 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: It's seventy eight games since. 165 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 2: His debut in twenty twenty, so he hasn't been able 166 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 2: to be there often enough. 167 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: And that's a familiar thread that's running right through this 168 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: footy club, which will be interesting to speak to Brad about. 169 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 3: He goes out and acknowledges he'smates, brothers and all the stuff. 170 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: For the emotional stuff that we understand. But the bottom 171 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: line is he says, I'm walking out the door. You can, 172 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 3: you can say all this now, but I'm leaving you 173 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: right now when you probably need me and some stability. 174 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: More than I'm leaving now. I don't begrudge them. That's 175 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 4: the rules. 176 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: You can do that, but if you're an essenant fan, 177 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: move on and move on quickly. I went back and 178 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: had to look at the premiers of the last few years. 179 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 3: Darcy Fort was the ruckman in last year's premiership team 180 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: started you can find a ruckman, Jarrett. This is what 181 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying. The panic won't sit it in. They'll get 182 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: compensation and then they'll go to work. They're loaded from 183 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 3: a draft point of view. So Darcy Cameron started his 184 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: career at Sydney, ends up at Collingwood, plays as a 185 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: premiership ruckman. Ree Stanley starts it's and killed in Rutsford, 186 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 3: Geelong Max Gorn is a one off and then you 187 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: go down to Toby dan Cerver started at Sydney and 188 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 3: if you want to go back a little bit further, 189 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 3: David Hale started at North Melbourne and ruck through, so 190 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 3: you'll find a ruckman if you want to get there. 191 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 5: You can find ruckman. 192 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: They're not you know, he's a good player, Sam Draper, 193 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: but don't don't throw you and burn your membership on 194 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: the back. You'll get compensation and then you've got to 195 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: rely on your team to get to work and you 196 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 3: can find them. 197 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 5: They're out there. 198 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: Melbourne's finished the first round of coaching interviews over the 199 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: previous couple of days. The Best and fairest has been 200 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: held tonight and Paul Gaer spoke with David Zeedar, So 201 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: this is the chief executive of the Demons. 202 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: A big couple of days. 203 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 6: And the great thing is for every Melbourne supporter, there's 204 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 6: a number of quality candidates that want to coach the 205 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 6: football club. So you know, we'll sort that out in 206 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 6: the next week. But it's been a really good process 207 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 6: and we've had some really fantastic insights. 208 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: But great for. 209 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 6: Melburne supporter has been importantly good for the AFL competition 210 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 6: to know that some real quality coaches ready to coach 211 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 6: AFL teams. I'm sure you wouldn't be oblivious to the 212 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 6: narrative that it's Nathan Buckley's job to lose, and that 213 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 6: even before Simon good and departed there may have been conversations. 214 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 4: That's a pretty significant narrative. What do you make of 215 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 4: that narrative. 216 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 6: Everyone's going to have their opinion on it. We've been 217 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 6: really clear. You know, we narrowed it down to six. 218 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 6: We've taken them through the process and let's see what 219 00:08:58,200 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 6: comes out. 220 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 4: What's the pass mark for you guys? Where do you 221 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 4: expect to be playing? Do you expect to be competing 222 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 4: in September? Yeah, we do. 223 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 6: That's the intention for the football club. We've seen Adelaide 224 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,719 Speaker 6: bounce from fourteenth last year to playing finals. We've got 225 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 6: our best and fairest tonight. We want to be playing finals. 226 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 6: That's what Melbourne players want to be doing, That's what 227 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 6: the club wants to be doing and that's what our 228 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 6: fans expect us to be doing. 229 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 2: So that would have been a fascinating part of the 230 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,719 Speaker 2: discussions with prospective coaches. So the list of six had 231 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 2: been publicized Nathan Barkley, James Kelly, Stephen King, Daniel Johns, 232 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: Syracusa and Brendan lay Hayden Skipworth didn't go through the process. 233 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: He removed himself last week. 234 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think there's an element of self awareness 235 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 3: about where you're at in the process. With Collingwood's who 236 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: have read hot on him and love what he's doing. 237 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: Maybe they spoke to him and said, you know, there 238 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: was time ahead, but there are things to be done there. 239 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 3: I'm I'm speculating, but there are strong candidates left and yeah, 240 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 3: it was a pretty intense process from all reports, long 241 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 3: long interviews and impressive candidates. The couple who I'm told 242 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 3: really impressed them. So yeah, we'll wait and see that 243 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: spits out. 244 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: Having a bit of the geelong DNA in there, given 245 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: the success that's been had there, and they belong to 246 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: a couple of generations, James Kelly as a player through 247 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: the first wave and now as a coach there and 248 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: Stephen King the same. 249 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: So you sort of you do corner. 250 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: Why has this lasted what is it fifteen preliminary finals 251 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 2: since the Mark Thompson years? 252 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: The why and the how? 253 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: When that would have been fascinating to discuss. 254 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 3: Well, it's what you get when you go through a process, 255 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 3: isn't It's one of the byproducts is you get exposed 256 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: to different environments and successful ones in this those instances 257 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: for sure. So yeah, they're going to announce that prior 258 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 3: to the preliminary final, so next week. 259 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: So yep, so into the final stages pretty quickly, pretty quickly. 260 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 5: I don't mind that can go. 261 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're doing the process and you've got 262 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 3: to make a decision, get going the I don't have 263 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 3: to box trifect there. I'm going gorn take him one 264 00:10:58,440 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: out and then box up. 265 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 4: Are we and pick it right? Yes? 266 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I won't pay well, but I think it's 267 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: pretty so cornick it. 268 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:07,839 Speaker 4: How we go. 269 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 2: Let's get to the furnest, shall we. It was always 270 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: going to be the furor that erupted on Friday night 271 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 2: at the MCG when a fateful whistle blue heading to halftime. 272 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 4: We'll go through him in a moment. 273 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: But your first thought spots disgraceful. I'm not a Cat's supporter, 274 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: but I was angry. 275 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:32,679 Speaker 4: That was ridiculous. 276 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 1: It's a final that is so soft. This is the 277 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: original one, so that's softest butter. 278 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: And here's the second one. 279 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: Games have a look at the players coming in and 280 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: that's pretty soft as well. 281 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: To run the ball the length of the ground for this, 282 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: that's just a nice more decision. It's just a nudge 283 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: in the back that happens. It's a thousand times a game. 284 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 4: I thought to myself, I hope it was a big 285 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 4: free kick, not all it wish he was he won. 286 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: Hope it was a big one because this is a 287 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: big fuor. 288 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 4: In the fureral that has erupted around the mcg and 289 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 4: right around the football world. 290 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of supporter Yeah, you love 291 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 3: the girls, but it's a shocking decision. And I think 292 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,680 Speaker 3: the umpires are pretty good at talent players to get up. 293 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: They've got a really good understanding. 294 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 4: Their job's really really hard. So you know, we'd sort 295 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,679 Speaker 4: of imploy our players best we can. Boys, just stand 296 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 4: up and play the game. It's still a diet, like, 297 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 4: there's a lot of work that's gone into this, and 298 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 4: you're not going to get no perfect players, no perfect coaches, 299 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 4: no perfect umpires. There's going to be mistakes. You just 300 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 4: want to admit the house. 301 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: I hate the fact that the AFL afraid the umpire run 302 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 2: of the. 303 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:49,559 Speaker 1: Bus foping a problem game. They dodge the board, it 304 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: didn't affect the result. 305 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: So this is a decent assignments for razors Edge. There's 306 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 2: the narrow over the broaders. I think much more interesting 307 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 2: than the scene as Ray Chamblin welcome Jared, Gary, Hell. 308 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: Are we on the good side? 309 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: Use the force said, nothing happens in a vacuum, and 310 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: I feel like we have inched our way toward a 311 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: flash point like this with the umpiring all season, from 312 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: the way that it's set up, from the way that 313 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 2: it's been executed, from the idea of justifying rather than 314 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: perhaps asking that question of what does the game need? 315 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 4: What's your overall view? We've talked all year about challenges 316 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 4: that this umpiring group at senior level hold, you know, 317 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 4: in terms of the experience the inexperienced new system. But 318 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 4: with any group, Jared and Gary, you will be able 319 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: to speak to this. From clubland, I'm sure leadership and 320 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 4: messaging needs to be really clear, and when you've got 321 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 4: forty two people who've got to go out and align 322 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 4: and be congruent in the manner in which they observe 323 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 4: the game and then officiate the game. You can't have 324 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 4: anyone leaving the room on not on message. And throughout 325 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 4: this year we've just seen a space of examples that 326 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 4: leads me to believe that there's a problem or a 327 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 4: disconnect with some of that. And that's the challenge that 328 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 4: any group faces. 329 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: What is it? 330 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 5: What's the problem? 331 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Then? 332 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 3: What is the problem that leads to that decision being 333 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 3: made in a big final? 334 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 4: So the one that one there at the end, that's 335 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 4: that's a really interesting question. I suspect that that is. 336 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 4: And we've seen some examples over the last three or 337 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 4: four rounds of footing, so just coming into finals and 338 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 4: then obviously this one where we've seen and we looked 339 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 4: at one the other week Gary with georgi Ardis and 340 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: mac Andrew and the umpires communication was free kick prohibited contact. 341 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 4: I thought, oh, that's an aberration, it's one out of 342 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 4: the box. But then we've subsequently seen an array of 343 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 4: them concluding with this one on Friday night, and so 344 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:53,560 Speaker 4: there's a there's enough there for me to say this 345 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 4: is not about an individual making an error, which we 346 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: concede and the AFL has conceded there's an error here. 347 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 4: This there's enough of them to say there's a messaging issue, 348 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 4: and so I'd love to be able to prosecute when 349 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: did you bridge this? When did you when did you 350 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 4: talk about this? And what was the message? And why 351 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 4: are we seeing inappropriate application on field like this? 352 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 5: What should have happened there. 353 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: That you tell can to stand up? And then you 354 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 4: probably go over to Mark and go do you really 355 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: want to concede a goal here? Is that what we're doing? 356 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 3: So the umpire you're saying from them, I'm trying to 357 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 3: read the messaging doesn't allow them to have that flexibility 358 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: to be able to say hey, as I think that's 359 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 3: the perfect approach and I think everyone in the footy 360 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 3: world would accept that. But are you saying that they 361 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,000 Speaker 3: don't have that discretion to be able to do that, 362 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 3: that they must call that. 363 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 4: I've seen some senior fellows do it. I think of 364 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 4: Brett Rosebrey, I think of I think of Simon Meredith. 365 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: I've seen examples where they've had agency within themselves and 366 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: they've just gone get up and that's been fine. But 367 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 4: that I can't answer the question directly, Gary, because I 368 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: haven't been in there for the last five weeks and 369 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 4: something has been said. It's there are too many examples 370 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 4: for it to be just individual aberration. 371 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: So lay it out the prohibited contacts forces, then we'll 372 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: go through how we got here. 373 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 4: There's a couple of buckets with prohibited contacts, So it's 374 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 4: anything to do that's outside the laws of the game 375 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 4: with contact with an opponent. It can be holding, it 376 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 4: can be high tackle, it can be in the back, 377 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 4: they'll and what have you. That you're allowed to make 378 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 4: contact with an opponent obviously, and then force is a 379 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 4: key part of it. But what where prohibited contact comes 380 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: in from a practical application is we don't want players 381 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 4: pick and players off, so they wouldn't otherwise expect to 382 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 4: be met. And we don't want players taking the law 383 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 4: into their own hands and having a free hit. So 384 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: an example might be any striking action with a closed fist, 385 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 4: regardless of force, is to be paid us a free kick. 386 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 4: The umpire has no discretion whatsoever. But then in the 387 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 4: other areas, and we're talking about pushing the back, we're 388 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 4: talking about the other ones that needs to reach a 389 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 4: threshold of force to warrant intervention. And we'll see some 390 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 4: examples of this this evening. I think probably Jered. From 391 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 4: my perspective, we're getting a little cue around our messaging 392 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 4: and what this is going to cause as a catalyst 393 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 4: for increased levels of staging and flopping, and I think 394 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: we can unpack some of these. Yeah. 395 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: So the risk is this weekend. 396 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 2: If you're a forward in a tight game at a 397 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 2: key moment and you get contacts, well, I take my 398 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 2: chances here and down, and that doesn't help the players, 399 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't help the umpires, and it doesn't help the 400 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 2: spectacle of the game. So how did we get here? 401 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 2: You've picked two moments from late in the season. 402 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, So from my perspective, I was at the game 403 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 4: at a North Melbourne played Adelaide at Marvel Stadium and 404 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: I'm down on the interchange area. So I saw Rory 405 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 4: led come onto the field and was his opponent is 406 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 4: making his way towards the goal square and he's going 407 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 4: to outleg me. So if I block him and check 408 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 4: he's run, I can stop that from happening. Now, his 409 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 4: opponent does not reasonably expect to be met. He's met 410 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,359 Speaker 4: forcefully and it's dangerous. And so that's a perfect example 411 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 4: of where a free kick would be warranted. Yeah, so 412 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 4: that's prohibited. That's absolutely strip of contact. Pay that every time. 413 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 4: But the other two absolutely. The other example that we 414 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: have there, which is the George Ardis and Mac Andrew, 415 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 4: we've just got a couple of players who have He 416 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 4: is just flopped to the ground once he's felt contact. 417 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 4: There's nothing in that whatsoever, and we've tumbled in and 418 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 4: awarded a free kick. Both players know what's going on. 419 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: It's not forceful. It's within the realms of the next 420 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 4: kick and active players, so you're expecting a level of contact. 421 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 4: We don't need intervention there. 422 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 3: Are they panicking that much that they're going to get 423 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 3: hauled over the calls? 424 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 5: They don't call it love. That's the only answer you 425 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 5: can get out of that. 426 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 4: So it's a terrific it's a curiosity piece because I 427 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 4: don't want to stamp it, but I agree with you. 428 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 4: Is it to do with education messaging or is it 429 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 4: assessment and appointment? And so this idea that you don't 430 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 4: have the agency to actually just make a comment and 431 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 4: going I'm not interfering here with free kick. I'm going 432 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: to handle it myself. And I feel as though that's 433 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 4: been warded away over the years. 434 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 5: Garing I don't I know want to single the umpire's act. 435 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 3: It's not about individual umpires, but I would love to 436 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 3: talk to that umpire and just ask him or her, 437 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 3: whoever it is, what is going through your mind, because 438 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: that is not football that we want, in any way, 439 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: shape or form our game to represent free kicks like that. 440 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 4: And I suspect on review they will feel similarly, and 441 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 4: which is why I'm saying what is great, which is 442 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 4: what I've asked right from the start, what is the 443 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 4: messaging that collectively has been delivered? And Garry, I'm really 444 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 4: interested in your take. You talked about what football wants 445 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 4: to see versus what it doesn't, and we're going to 446 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 4: roll into some stuff that I think is only going 447 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 4: to create more of this type of flopping behavior. If 448 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: we as a game say it warrants free kick and 449 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 4: it's to do with forwards and defenders in the next 450 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 4: act of play, so the ball is going to be 451 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 4: coming in that direction. I'm really interested in your view there. 452 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 2: So can we have Loman and Stewart followed by Voss 453 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: and Powell, so these are both paids free kicks, But 454 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 2: you will say. 455 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 4: I don't think they I don't think they require unpiring 456 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,719 Speaker 4: intervention with the laired one. His opponent has no idea 457 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 4: that it's coming. He shouldn't read. 458 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: It's just a weak act by Rory Lead who's a 459 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 3: good great fellow, and he'd be disappointed with that absolutely. 460 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 4: But I want to try and make distinguish the difference 461 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 4: between that and the two we're going to look at. Now, 462 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 4: the two we're going to look at. Now you have 463 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 4: opponents who are engaging with one another and Tom Stewart. 464 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:18,359 Speaker 4: Now that's a forceful push. No one would argue with that. 465 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 4: But Leman knows it's coming. Even if he doesn't look, 466 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 4: and if he's not eyeballing Tom Stewart, he knows it's coming. 467 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: You go and watch Dane Rampy for two hours. That 468 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 4: bloke is the busiest footballer in Australia. He spends his 469 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 4: whole day getting his OPO in a position because he's 470 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 4: always undersized, putting him in a point on the field 471 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,199 Speaker 4: where he knows where he's going to defend. Now this 472 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 4: one here Powe goes to wrap him up. He equally 473 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 4: wants to hold Voss from tick leading back at the 474 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: ball where he's got to try and defend him. One 475 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,719 Speaker 4: on one and he's outsized, Foss goes off, you go 476 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 4: and he's too strong. Now they're both very forceful, and 477 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 4: the way they are now, umpires will pay free kicks 478 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: for those and they are expected to so as the 479 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 4: rules and the coaching stands. Now, that's expect did For me, 480 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 4: I worry that when two players are engaging with one 481 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 4: another and there's nothing high, there's no grab and throw 482 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 4: on the ground, there's no pushing in the back, it's 483 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 4: one on one boom. I've executed better than you. I 484 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 4: don't know whether we want to be paying free kicks 485 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: for that, because what are we going to see for 486 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,679 Speaker 4: the next fortnight forwards and backs flopping around on the 487 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 4: ground and umpires having to decide is that a flop 488 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: or is that a forceful push. So it's something that 489 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 4: I think needs to be reviewed and a philosophical flag 490 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 4: needs to be put down. 491 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 2: Yeap, so don't intervene in those ones rains conversation with 492 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: the umpire. So this has been depicted in different ways. 493 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: This is cricket for me. This is the lobbying that 494 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 1: begins one over. 495 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 2: We'll go two overs later and four hours after that 496 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 2: we start the lobbying around. Hey, this is going on. 497 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 2: You should keep an eye on this. I'm after a 498 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: free kick here. 499 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 4: I think lobbying is a really great word. KEM Rayner. 500 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 4: My experience with CAM, and I've had much to do 501 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 4: with CAM in terms of umpiring and training with Brisbane 502 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 4: and what have you, is one of the most ripping 503 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 4: fellows you'll ever meet. I don't think any of that 504 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 4: would have been we don't have the comms. 505 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 3: Did you have a problem with that book of it? 506 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 3: Which someone said is unacceptable? They've got a player who's 507 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: right in the space of an umpire. 508 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 4: So when you visually look at it and he does 509 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 4: get that close, I can understand that that could be 510 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 4: a reflection that someone has my knowledge of CAM and 511 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 4: my knowledge of the umpire. They're both very personable people, 512 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 4: and I suspect that that was just hey, can you 513 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 4: keep an eye on him? He does not let go 514 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 4: of me for an hour, and then all of a 515 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 4: sudden we come to this. So the lobbying pieces that 516 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 4: I think the most accurate way to describe pre microphones, 517 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 4: what might you have said, pre microphones? You might have 518 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 4: asked him to go look after himself, and I'll try 519 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 4: and focus on my job is probably what would have 520 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 4: transpired you. You would have engage at all and you 521 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 4: nip it in the bard. 522 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,119 Speaker 5: Are you angry and disappointed when that free kick was played? 523 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 4: I wasn't angry, but when I heard the whistle go 524 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 4: and they went to it, I was disappointed because I'm 525 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 4: barracking for the umpires. I want him to do a 526 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 4: great job. We come off Thursday night, Gary with our 527 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 4: exemplary and I just want him to get it wrong. 528 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,639 Speaker 4: So it was disappointing, right, terrific, Thank you, thanks for 529 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 4: having me. 530 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, all right. Our players are about to join us. 531 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: We're heading to Queensland. 532 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 2: We're on either side of the Q clash that's coming 533 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 2: to finals for the first time. 534 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: Dames Orco the heartbeat of the 535 00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 2: Lions and Ben King the talisman for the Sacks to beauty.