WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 24 July 0:00:02.759 --> 0:00:07.480 On scorn Lids Australia. This is the Weader Panete Show. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:11.479 Good evening, Welcome to the reader Panahe Show. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:16.240 I'm Caroline Drusso coming up on the show tonight. Democrats 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:18.480 are gathering in droves, are ready to jump on the 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:19.319 Kamala train. 0:00:19.840 --> 0:00:22.079 But what does she actually stand for? 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.759 Douglas Murray joins me shortly to discuss just that the 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.720 Victorian government is again in the firing line after their 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.280 push to include trans women in an inquiry on women's pain. 0:00:32.840 --> 0:00:36.879 Rachel Wong from Women's Forum Australia on that, and of 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:39.960 course a stellar edition of Left is losing it where 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:44.320 the Trump arrangement syndrome, Well, it continues to flourish. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:52.200 We the people united mobilized and voted down this existential 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.680 threat to democracy and freedom. 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:59.120 That we continue the march progress, that we lay the 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:03.800 foundation right better future, and that we sought to create. 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:05.560 Home perfect union. 0:01:06.240 --> 0:01:08.039 Progress is possible. 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:10.800 Flourishing, it really is. 0:01:10.880 --> 0:01:14.080 But first joining me now is Deputy Executive Director of 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:17.760 the Institute of Public Affairs, Daniel Wild. Daniel, we know 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:21.240 Labour's Future Made in Australia agenda is just its very 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:25.440 latest boondoggle. Even the OECD suspects it will be a 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.480 field day for lobbyists. We know that government's are notoriously 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.720 bad at picking winners. Is the OECD on the money here. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.959 Well, Caroline, future made in Australia is really a future 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.760 made in marginal labor seats, because this is what it's 0:01:40.800 --> 0:01:44.240 all about. As you know, it's about politics, not economics, 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.880 and taxpayers are going to be fleeced for no meaningful 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:50.160 outcome to our society. We can't have a future made 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.880 in Australia under the policy of net zero. Net zero 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:58.360 is responsible for skyrocketing energy prices, which is offshoring our manufacturing, 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:01.440 offshowing our heavy industry. And we know that the number 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:05.240 one winner from policies of netszuro is not Australia, it's China. 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:09.239 China is the major manufacturer and exporter of wind turbines 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.000 and solar panels. Australia doesn't get any value from the 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:17.400 exports of that, and it's about China reorientating global economic 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.639 supply chains around it. 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:20.600 So this is a very short. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.639 Sighted, myopic policy that is clearly not in our national interests. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.639 No, it's not and still on dumb ideas or dumb 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.560 labor ideas which hamper productivity. And Robert god Libsen had 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.360 an excellent piece in The Australian on Labour's recent IR 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.639 changes and the ability they give unions essentially to strangle productivity. 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.359 Within family businesses. 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.160 What is this reformant and what are the consequences likely 0:02:46.240 --> 0:02:46.800 for business? 0:02:49.080 --> 0:02:50.959 We've got leaps AND's hit the nail on the head 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.960 and he's been discussing this important issue now for some time. 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:57.840 And look, in essence, it would allow unfettered entry of 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:03.160 unions and union delegates into small business work sites across Australia. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:07.359 It's on top of the effective outlawing of casual work, 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.280 which is foundational to small businesses across the country. And 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:13.800 I think it builds on this broader ideological agenda of 0:03:13.880 --> 0:03:16.880 Labor and the Left which is anti small business, is 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.840 anti family business, which is the engine room of the economy. 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:22.520 But it's also foundational to the Australian way of life. 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:26.359 You know, small business is about hard work, independence, risk taking, 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:28.760 reward for effort, all of those values that we should 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.120 encourage in our society. And it further shows Caroline that 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:35.280 Labor is really now the party of big business, because 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.680 big business will be the main beneficiaries of these changes 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.200 because it will have less competition from small business. So 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:44.880 we know that small and family enterprises cannot absorb the 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.040 costs of these industrial relation changes in the same way 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:50.360 that big businesses can. And of course it comes on 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:53.480 the back of the COVID lockdowns, which hammered small business, 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:57.040 it helped big business, and so this is just another 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:58.120 step in the wrong direction. 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:04.240 Absolutely, and small businesses can't have a full compliance department 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.760 to deal with all these things, and that's where you 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:10.680 see that competition evaporate, but still on the economy and 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.000 concerns continue for both inflation and a potential for. 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.359 The employment rate to surge. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.960 Inflation figures come down at the end of the month, 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:21.919 but I feel like we're being softened up for a 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:23.360 bit more bad economic news. 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:27.760 Well, I think you're right, Carolina. Unfortunately, you know, six 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.520 months ago we were talking about the next move of 0:04:30.600 --> 0:04:32.920 interest rates was more likely to be down than up. 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:34.880 Now all the talk is it's going to be up 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.359 and not down. And that's because of two key factors. 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:40.239 One is out of control government spending at the federal 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:42.919 and state level. Just look at Queensland one thousand dollars 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:45.760 subsidies for energy bills. Well, that's going to get pumped 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.400 back into the economy three hundred dollars from the federal government. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.680 We've also got this problem, Caroline, which is this mass migration, 0:04:51.880 --> 0:04:55.560 unplanned mass migration, which is pumping demand into the economy 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.120 at the same time as our supply is going backwards. 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:01.280 You know, productivity growth is going backwards in this country, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.440 so we're less able to generate wealth, we're less able 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.080 to generate prosperity at the same time as we've had 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.839 an unprecedented surge to mass migration, over a million net 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.320 migrants over the last two years, by far, the biggest 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:16.560 expansion in the history of our nation's population. So these 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:20.280 are causing surging prices and inflation. It's why Australians are 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:22.920 feeling all of the pain that they are at the checkout. 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:28.240 And Daniel, is it a question of does this federal 0:05:28.279 --> 0:05:30.640 government have the tiker or not have the ticker to 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:33.080 make the big decisions which need to be made. 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:36.080 No, they don't. 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.880 They've shown no inclination to deal with the big problems. 0:05:40.279 --> 0:05:41.120 Look on migration. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:42.840 I know the government's been saying they're going to be 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:44.960 cutting numbers, but I believe it when I see it. 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:49.080 They haven't really taken on these issues in any meaningful way, 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.880 and that's because fundamentally, the only economic plan of this 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.360 government is to grow the economy by growing the population. Now, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.760 of course, if you bring more people into a nation, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.320 the economy will get bigger. You've got a bigger market, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.920 more people spending money. But the slice of the pie 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.440 that everybody gets is going backwards. You know, we've had 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:11.640 five consecutive borders of negative per capita economic growth. So 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.440 this mass migration policy is making Australians poorer. 0:06:17.760 --> 0:06:22.159 And the minute they reduce migration, that aggregate GDP figure 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.480 will come down along with it. So you know, they 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.120 say that's something they're going to do, but whether ultimately 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:31.320 they want to see aggregate GDP come down or not 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.680 is a totally different question. Now onto the self evident 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:38.600 and labor, Energy and Resources ministers across the country are 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:41.600 now trying to make the case for continued gas supply. 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:45.239 The narrative until recently has been to totally demonize gas. 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:47.280 But I suppose the reality is finally set in. 0:06:49.760 --> 0:06:50.920 Well, that's right, Caroline. 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:52.600 I'd make one exception to that, which is I think 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:55.720 Madeline King, in all fairness to federal Resources Minister has 0:06:55.800 --> 0:06:57.719 been saying from day dot of this government that we 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:01.360 need more gas into the market because renewables can't get 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.240 the job done. It shows that net zero does not work. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:06.560 It's further evidence of that. We've just seen tweaky forests 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.120 give up on the government subsidized hydrogen. So it builds 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.080 on a series of problems. Clearly, those clear thinkers like 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:15.960 Madeline King have been rolled in cabinet by Chris Bowen 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.080 and those from the left of the party, and it 0:07:18.120 --> 0:07:20.200 gets to this much bigger issue, which is the short 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.760 sighted policy at the state and federal level. Of course, 0:07:23.800 --> 0:07:26.200 we need baseload power, we need coal and we need 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.280 gas into the system. We need it in there quick. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:32.360 Prices are going up dramatically. We've had AEMO warning of 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:34.680 blackouts this summer. I mean, can you believe it in 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.000 a country like Australia, an abundance of coal, an abundance 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.040 of gas and abundance of uranium, we're talking about load 0:07:41.040 --> 0:07:44.800 shedding and blackouts over summer. That just goes to the 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.760 monumental policy failures that we've seen in this country over 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:48.440 recent years. 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:53.120 Yeah, yeah, absolutely right there, Bang on now, I've only 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.120 got about a minute left for you. But protest is 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.720 at Uwa's curtain. University have got their nickers in or 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.560 not because the university has told them they can't use 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:04.120 from the river to the siege chair during their protest. 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:06.760 Daniel, how on earth will they ever survive? 0:08:09.640 --> 0:08:10.440 Well, that's right. 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:13.120 I mean you're in Perth, Carolina and I think you know, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.400 WA has probably been a bit more sensible on this 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:17.520 issue done on the Eastern seaboard, and I think, you know, 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:20.400 good on the university for finally cracking down on this. 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.680 I'm not holding my breath for anything from the University 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:25.160 of Sydney or the University of Melbourne. Look, of course 0:08:25.200 --> 0:08:29.680 people have the right to voice their opinion and to protest. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.680 You don't have the right to blockade. You don't have 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:34.960 the right to set up encampments. We know university students 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.640 don't want to go to campus because they don't feel 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.200 it's an environment where they can study and get ahead. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:42.199 And I just don't understand for the life of me, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:45.480 why are governments funding this. You know, all funding to 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:49.840 universities that are allowing these kind of protests to take 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:54.200 place should stop until these universally university vice chancellors finally 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.520 get with the program and understand that university should be 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.200 there for the pursuit of academic excellence, not this vis 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:02.959 if Retrick from a handful of students. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:06.120 Absolutely, thank you for your insights. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.640 Daniel Wild joining me now, is the author of international 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.600 best sellers, including The Strange Death of Europe, The Madness 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.199 of Crowds. In his latest book, The War on the West, 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.079 Douglas Murray, It's been a huge week in US politics, 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:21.960 and just when I thought an assassination attempt on a 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.480 former president would be the end of it, it turns 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.520 out it was just the beginning of the wheels coming off. Obviously, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.360 Biden's resignation didn't just happen. Do we know what went 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:34.520 on behind the scenes and what ticked him over? 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.600 We very much know what happened behind the scenes. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.200 Now it's almost a month since Joe Biden had that 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:47.320 catastrophic debate performance opposite Donald Trump, and many people thought 0:09:47.520 --> 0:09:50.559 that the whole idea of the Democrats agreeing the Democrat 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.600 ticket agreeing to a debate so early, so far ahead 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:58.080 of the election, might have been an effort by some 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.199 of the Democrats to actually show world what they all secretly, 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.280 turn out have known, which is that Joe Biden was 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:11.000 far from firing on all cylinders these days. That fact 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.720 that was known by readers of certainly conservative media seems 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.880 to have come as a great shock to some of 0:10:18.880 --> 0:10:21.600 the Democrats and certainly a lot of their supporters. And 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.160 so in the weeks since, there has been an effort, 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:29.559 first of all privately and then increasingly publicly among senior 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:32.080 Democrats to signal to Joe Biden, you know it's time 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:32.600 to leave. 0:10:33.240 --> 0:10:34.240 It's very interesting. 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:39.440 In the days before Sunday, there was a growing public 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.920 set of statements by Democrats all sort of saying that 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.560 Joe Biden wasn't fit to xyz it the minute that 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.720 he released this strange statement on x formerly known as 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.560 Twitter on Sunday, the moment he released that. Suddenly, now 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.440 all the Democrats are saying, Joe Biden is the best 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:01.120 of us, He's a true here, this is what leadership 0:11:01.120 --> 0:11:04.280 looks like, and so on. But yes, all the people 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.920 who are currently praising Joe Biden were, of course the 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.200 people who were busily pushing him out in recent days. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:16.560 It's Nancy Pelosis, Chuck Schumer and many others. The whole 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.439 leadership of the Democrat Party realized that. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:20.480 They were running a. 0:11:23.160 --> 0:11:26.640 Candidate frankly totally unfit for the office. It was perfect 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:29.320 clear he couldn't perform the task, He couldn't stay awake 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:30.760 on television very easily. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.559 No way he was going to run the country for 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:33.480 another four years. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:35.800 Although it does raise a question of exactly who's running 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:37.760 it now, and the answer is, we don't know. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.440 And that's the point. I suppose. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.719 He may have dropped out as the nominee, but he's 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.120 still actually the president. And that said, he's canceled a 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.680 number of engagements this week and has extended his trip 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:53.000 in Delaware. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.400 We also understand that despite confirmation. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:12:00.080 By his doctor, he only has mild COVID symptoms. What 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:01.160 on it is going on here? 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:05.680 Well, the COVID symptoms might be mild, but none of 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:10.959 the other symptoms are, as I say, just increasingly obvious 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.520 to people, and in the whole slew of news that 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:16.200 came out in the last month, just perfectly obvious that 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:19.240 this was not a candidate at eighty one. Some eighty 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.800 one year olds might be sprightly, but Joe Biden isn't 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.160 among them. I became perfect obvious he wasn't gonna be 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.719 able to last for another four years. Of course, as 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:30.240 you say, I mean, there's still half a year almost 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:33.600 for him to go, for him to be running the 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:37.680 most important country in the world. But there are so 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:41.000 many questions now, and those people who think that this 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:46.200 has been a sort of lovely, sort of crowning of 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:49.240 Kamala Harris as his successor, I think there might be 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.480 a bit more pain to come from within the party 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:56.040 because not everyone in the Democrat hierarchy is absolutely sure 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.920 that Kamala is their winner in November. 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.280 No, but Kamala Harris has told a rally in Wisconsin 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.439 that she is enough support to secure. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:07.160 The Democratic nomination. 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:11.280 Here she is announcing it so Wisconsin, I am told 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.520 as of this morning that we have earned the support 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.080 of enough delegates to secure the Democratic nomini. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.920 But He's Representative Chuck Schumer, is rather awkward announcement, I 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.240 think back in Kamala. 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:27.760 So, now that the process is played out from the 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:32.240 grassroots bottom up, we are here today to throw our 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:35.880 support behind Vice President Kamala Harris. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:37.520 I'm clapping. 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.400 You don't have to Douglas the Democrats scene. I think 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.120 more resigned to the fact that Kamala will be the 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.679 nominee rather than excited about it, don't. 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:49.079 You think, well, I mean, it's hard to see who 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:52.320 could be excited about it simply on a polls level. 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.800 You know, in the prospective polls of how people think 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.400 they might vote in November, Donald Trump was already beating 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:05.160 Joe Biden by two points in most polls. He's already 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:10.280 beaten Kamala Harris by five points. So I don't know 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.160 who would be especially excited about this. Kamilo is obviously 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.439 very excited about it and is going to show her 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:22.560 enthusiasm in that normal, usual and completely non fake way 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:26.920 she has of expressing enthusiasm for things principally herself and 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:30.960 her own words. But she might be an enthusiastic but 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:32.000 it's hard to see. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:32.880 Who else is. 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:35.480 I watched a speech of her that she gave last 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:40.640 Thursday in North Carolina, and to say that the content 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:44.200 of it was vapid is to enormously. 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:46.480 Sort of praise her. 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:52.240 Really, there's almost no banality that she cannot come out with, 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:57.360 and what is her vision. It's a sort of sub 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:03.040 Obama rhetoric with absolutely no detail added on to it, 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.680 and it's not clear what she wants to do, other 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.840 of course, than to go forwards in time rather than 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.800 backwards in time, which is something she's especially passionate about. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.720 But Douglas, do the Dems actually have another choice? 0:15:19.760 --> 0:15:22.600 Is there actually another viable option at this point so 0:15:22.760 --> 0:15:25.600 late in the race, Well. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:29.200 It would have to be a really stunning household name. 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:31.400 There are a couple that are being thrown around, but 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:33.400 how likely they are to do anything? 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.240 I don't know, you. 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.880 Know, the enormous selfishness actually of Joe Biden and Jill 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.160 Biden and the Biden family and keeping Biden pretending he 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.040 was going to run until last Sunday. The selfishness of 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.800 it actually is that if he'd have said, say a 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:54.240 year ago, look, I've done my spell in office, I've 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:56.720 done everything I can. I'm in the twilight of my 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.320 years and it's time for next generation to come along, 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:02.800 there could have been at least a year for Democrat 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:07.920 candidates to put themselves forward, put forward their prospectives for leadership, 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.880 have an open debate among themselves, and for the best 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:15.760 man or woman to win. But because Joe Biden harm 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:23.840 so with such clenched fingers onto the presidency. The fact 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.680 that Jill Biden egged him on even when she must 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.680 have seen did see that he couldn't even walk onto 0:16:30.680 --> 0:16:34.600 a stage without a detailed map of the terrain. It 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:37.440 suggests that, actually, you know, these people who have been 0:16:37.480 --> 0:16:40.120 saying what patriots they are and so on, have really 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.440 mucked things up for their own political side, their own 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:44.400 political party. 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.000 I don't think I could have put that better. 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:51.840 But back to Kamala, and we have seen snippets of 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:53.640 Kamala Harris over the course of the. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:54.560 Last three years. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.880 Very few of those snippets have been edifying Douglas. Here 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:02.880 she is, as Senator upplauding the idea of defunding the police. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:06.440 Right now, what we're seeing in America is many cities 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:11.320 spend over one third of their entire city budget on policing. 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.639 But meanwhile, we've been defunding public schools for years in America. 0:17:15.880 --> 0:17:18.240 We've got to re examine what we're doing with American 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:19.240 tax payer dollars. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:23.080 And here she is talking about eliminating private health insurance. 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.080 You support the Medicare for All bill, I think initially 0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:29.240 co sponsored by Senator Bernie Sanders. You're also a cosponder ontt. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:33.760 I believe it will totally eliminate private insurance. So for 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.480 people out there who like their insurance, they don't get 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:36.920 to keep it. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:38.600 Well, listen, the. 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.880 Idea is that everyone gets access to medical care and 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.560 you don't have to go through the process of going 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.480 through an insurance company, having them give you approval, going 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.960 through the paperwork, all of the delay that may require. 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.639 Who of us has not had that situation where you've 0:17:52.640 --> 0:17:54.680 got to wait for approval and the doctor says, well, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.680 I don't know if your insurance company is going to 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:57.040 cover this. 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.199 Let's eliminate all of that. Let's move on, and it 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:01.080 doesn't stop there. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.640 She also agreed with the hard left representative AOCS push 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.520 to eliminate cars in eleven years. 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:10.840 Sixty minutes this weekend, proudly calling herself a radical and 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:13.879 she's promoting policies like saying that every single carbon emission 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.320 in the country, every car should be eliminated within the 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.960 next eleven years, everything from a seventy to eighty percent 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.600 tax rate. Do you agree that she could possibly, in 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:24.800 this ideology of the socialist left, could splinter your party? 0:18:25.440 --> 0:18:30.520 No, you know, I think that she is challenging the 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:31.240 status quo. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.480 I think that's fantastic, Douglas. 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:37.040 You mentioned earlier the Obama talking points without the detail. 0:18:37.440 --> 0:18:40.119 Do we know what she actually believes in and whether 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:42.679 and to what extent that would form part of any 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:45.040 democratic policy platform. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.439 No, we have very little idea of what she believes in. 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:53.720 Actually, because she Isia says things like that's why we 0:18:53.800 --> 0:18:56.439 need to have the conversation about that. That's one of 0:18:56.440 --> 0:18:59.040 her tricks. Whenever she gets into a corner way, she 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.879 really doesn't know what to say. And the rest of it, 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:07.120 as I said earlier, sort of banalities. This is somebody who, 0:19:07.119 --> 0:19:10.199 from the clips you just paid, seems to think that 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.760 they can answer the problems of education in America, of 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.600 healthcare in America, of crime in America. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:19.840 But there's absolutely no meat on the bone. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:22.879 I mean, the idea is in that first clip that 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:27.800 it's an either or in regards to policing or schooling. 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.199 It's not a lack of money that's the problem in 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.240 American schooling. It's a lack of decent teaching and a 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:39.160 lack of discipline in the schools. There are American students 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:43.240 in even the poorer states who have more money per 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.359 pupil paid by the state for the education than in 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:48.879 most countries around the world, and yet they still have 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.639 some of the worst literacy and numeracy rates. That's not 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.320 a failing of funding, that's a failing of the teaching 0:19:54.440 --> 0:20:00.719 unions across America, among much else. Only Mama Harris can 0:20:00.760 --> 0:20:04.399 present these complex problems, pretend the solution to them is 0:20:04.440 --> 0:20:08.080 simply more money and promise to put more money everywhere, 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:12.080 and make it not at all clear with exactly how 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.719 that money would be of any use. As I say, 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:20.399 it's all vapid and empty rhetoric, and it's very unclear 0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:22.760 what she actually believes. 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.480 She just says what she needs to say to. 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:28.399 Get through the next ten seconds of any interview or speech. 0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:32.600 Which is going to be a huge problem if she, 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.120 god forbid, turns out to be the president. But there's 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.880 also been plenty of chatter about who her vice presidential 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:43.119 candidate may be. A few suitors have started turning up 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.360 being very flattering about Kamala in the. 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:47.920 Last couple of days. Where do you think this will learn? 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:50.679 Well? 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:53.199 I mean, it's actually not clear to me that the 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.840 most talented people in the party are going to put 0:20:55.880 --> 0:21:03.120 themselves forward. Does Kamala Harris, and you know, your name 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:05.520 on a ticket seem at the moment to be a 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:10.520 good prospect for you if you're a Democrat, an ambitious Democrat. 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:11.840 I think probably not. 0:21:12.240 --> 0:21:14.160 I think quite a lot of the people that people 0:21:14.240 --> 0:21:17.600 assumed would get into the race actually won't if she 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.000 is certainly the top of the ticket, because they would 0:21:21.000 --> 0:21:25.200 be the vice presidential running mate to a walking disaster. 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:29.000 I mean, you know, we'll see, there's a long way 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.600 to go. You know, in the next sort of almost 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:36.439 four months, there will be I mean we've seen just 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:37.000 the last week. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.040 You mentioned at the top of the show that just 0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:40.040