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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christianamie.

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Speaker 1: at the Australian dot com dot au. Civilian casualties, crumbling

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Speaker 1: buildings and rockets raining down on Israel and Iran today,

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Speaker 1: the new Middle East war over a nuclear ambitions, Why

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Speaker 1: Israel is striking now and what happens next.

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Speaker 2: It was so surreal. You know, you can hear noises outside,

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Speaker 2: You're not sure what they are. It was like nothing

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Speaker 2: I've ever experienced, but it was something that people who

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Speaker 2: live in Israel have experienced a lot.

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Speaker 1: This is Page Taylor, the Australian's correspondent in Jerusalem.

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Speaker 2: The bomb shelter I went to on Friday morning was

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Speaker 2: on the same level of the hotel I'm staying at.

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Speaker 2: What I hadn't realized at the time is that everywhere

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Speaker 2: in Israel, building codes for more than thirty years have

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Speaker 2: required a bomb shelter on every level, which says a

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Speaker 2: lot about the conflicts that have been going on in

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Speaker 2: Israel for a very long time. But I think some

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Speaker 2: of the people who've been living in Israel for a

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Speaker 2: long time are quite accustomed to what is a full

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Speaker 2: scale alert and what is a standby alert. So it

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Speaker 2: wasn't until the second alarm rang that Israelis and other

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Speaker 2: people who live in the region came into that bomb

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Speaker 2: shelter with me. I'd been in there for quite some time,

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Speaker 2: wondering if I was in the right place.

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Speaker 1: Actually, Paige isn't usually a war reporter. She's the Australian's

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Speaker 1: Indigenous Affairs correspondent and was in Israel to report on

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Speaker 1: a delegation of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people led

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Speaker 1: by former Olympian and former Labor Senator Novi Paris.

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Speaker 2: She was showing the delegates the parts of Israel that

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Speaker 2: she had visited last year, and she had been very

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Speaker 2: moved by that trip and wanted others to see what

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Speaker 2: she saw. The Jewish people have an unbroken history to

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Speaker 2: this land. They call Israel the epitome of decolonization is

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Speaker 2: the Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: Is an extremely experienced reporter and she's not faced by much.

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Speaker 1: So it's from this modest three x four meter space

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Speaker 1: that she's pivoted to reporting on a major escalation in

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Speaker 1: tensions between Israel and Iran. It began on Friday when

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Speaker 1: Israel launched Operation Rising Lion, a coordinated attack on more

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Speaker 1: than one hundred Iranian military and nuclear sites. The Israeli

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Speaker 1: Defense Force said in a statement that the air strikes

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Speaker 1: on Iran's primary nuclear site, the Natan's facility on the

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Speaker 1: Central Plateau, had been especially effective despite its protective underground construction.

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Speaker 1: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin net Nyahu said the operation was

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Speaker 1: designed to curtail Tehran's nuclear ambitions.

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Speaker 3: For decades, the tyrants of Tehran have brazenly openly called

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Speaker 3: for Israel's destruction. They've backed up their genocidal rhetoric with

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Speaker 3: a program to develop nuclear weapons. This is a clear

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Speaker 1: Iran has always maintained its nuclear program has nothing to

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Speaker 1: provide energy to its ninety million citizens. But just a

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Speaker 1: day earlier, on Thursday, the Board of the International Atomic

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Speaker 1: Energy Agency censured Iran for stonewalling its inspectors and Benjamin Nettanya,

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Speaker 1: who says Israeli intelligence suggests Iran has enriched enough uranium

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Speaker 3: In recent months, Iran has taken steps that it has

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Speaker 3: never taken before, steps to weaponize this enriched uranium. If

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Speaker 1: Within the day, Iran retaliated, motivated state media said by

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Speaker 1: the deaths of civilians in the strikes what.

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Speaker 4: Iran Supreme leader Iatola Ali Hamane vowed a harsh punishment

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Speaker 4: in retaliation for the at, saying Israel has brought a

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Speaker 4: bitter and painful feat upon itself and it will certainly

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Speaker 1: Explosions were reported over Israel's capital, Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

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Speaker 1: When I spoke to Page on Sunday afternoon Sydney time,

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Speaker 1: the impact was already being felt.

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Speaker 2: People in Israel were woken up at three am Friday

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Speaker 2: number of mythols fired back has been somewhere around two hundred,

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Speaker 2: and Israel has let some of those hit the ground

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Speaker 1: Iran's leadership also issued a warning to the United States,

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Speaker 1: But with Israel's infamous Iron Dome defense system under pressure,

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Speaker 1: the US has stepped in to shoot down the missiles

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Speaker 1: has asked its ally Iran not to target its strategic partner,

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Speaker 1: the US. The reprisal hasn't deterred Israel.

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Speaker 3: This operation will continue for as many days as it

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Speaker 3: takes to remove the threat.

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Speaker 2: We're not hearing any backdown in the rhetoric from the IDF.

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Speaker 2: We're also not entirely sure whether their job is complete

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Speaker 2: in Iran. In fact, they're talking about hitting more targets

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Speaker 1: The Australians Foreign editor Greg Sheridan says this is a

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Speaker 1: pivotal moment in the Middle East conflict.

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Speaker 5: I think it's very uncertain exactly how it's going to go.

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Speaker 5: But Israel has widened its targets now to include Iran's

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Speaker 5: way that it can. So Israel's taking more hits on

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Speaker 5: its homeland than it's taken since the October seven terror atrocities.

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Speaker 5: I don't know whether Iran will attack Americans in the

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Speaker 5: they are likely to get a very very tough response

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Speaker 5: from the Americans. So far, the Iranian proxies have been

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Speaker 5: or Iraq. Israel has been striking the Hoodies again in

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Speaker 5: Yemen as well. But it's just impossib well to know

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Speaker 5: how long Israel's target list is and whether Iran has

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Speaker 5: any other options for retaliation that we don't know about,

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Speaker 5: and whether other countries will get involved. I mean, one

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Speaker 5: thing is that Iran is strongly supported by China, Russia

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Speaker 5: and North Korea, and they all have nuclear weapons, so

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Speaker 5: it may well be that they help Iran reconstitute its

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Speaker 5: nuclear weapons program reasonably quickly, even if the Israelis do

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Speaker 5: more or less destroy most of the Iranian capability. But

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Speaker 1: Coming up is a bigger ambition driving Israel's fight against Iran.

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Speaker 1: While I've got you, I wanted to let you know

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Speaker 1: the monumental challenges facing Australia's defense force will be examined

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Speaker 1: at the Defending Australia Summit in Canberra today. You can

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Speaker 1: defense figures speak on everything from Orcus to the future

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Speaker 1: of the Indo Pacific. And that's more of today's episode.

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Speaker 1: After this, in the aftermath of Israel's Operation Rising Lion,

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Speaker 1: Iranian state media reported the head of its Revolutionary Guards,

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Speaker 1: Major General Hussain Salami, had been killed in a strike

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Speaker 1: on the capital Tehran. It points to a greater Israeli

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Speaker 1: ambition toppling the brutal regime that seeks its destruction. Iran

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Speaker 1: is a backer of the militant groups Hesblah, who operate

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Speaker 1: largely in Lebanon, Hamas in Gaza, and the Houthi rebels

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Speaker 1: in Yemen. All have attacked Israel since October seven, twenty

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Speaker 1: more people hostage. Israeli PM Benjamin Nettana, who said it

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Speaker 1: was Israel's actions against Hesbela that brought about the end

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Speaker 1: was installed in Lebanon, and on Friday, he appealed directly

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Speaker 1: to the Iranian people.

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Speaker 3: I believe that the day of your liberation is near.

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Speaker 3: When that happens, the great friendship between our two ancient

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Speaker 1: Here's Greg Sheridan.

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Speaker 5: I think israel Is in favor of regime change, right,

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Speaker 5: there's no doubt about that. But this is not a

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Speaker 5: military attack designed through military means to affect regime change.

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Speaker 5: The Israelis don't have a proxy force which they're backing

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Speaker 5: within Iran. But the Israelis four years and the Americans too,

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Speaker 5: have been appealing to the Iranian people to try to

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Speaker 5: get rid of their despotic regime. Now, as far as

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Speaker 5: we can tell, the Iranian people hate their despotic regime.

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Speaker 5: Every year or two there is a wave of mass

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Speaker 5: protests in Iran. Protesters are routinely arrested and killed by

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Speaker 5: the Iranian authorities, in some cases for something as trivial

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Speaker 5: as not wearing the scarf with sufficient modesty. It's been

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Speaker 5: remarkably easy for Israeli intelligence to penetrate Iran, both Iranian society,

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Speaker 5: Now a lot of analysts think that itself is a

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Speaker 5: with the economic misery and the repression and the human

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Speaker 5: foisted on the Iranian people. However, dictatorships can last a

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Speaker 5: been reporting on North Korea one way or another for

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Speaker 5: Iran is possible, but it's very hard to predict whether

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Speaker 5: as though there are a lot of people in Iran

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Speaker 5: to get rid of the Iranian regime which oppresses all Iranians.

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Speaker 2: This is a story that has been building since nineteen

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Speaker 2: focus was to destroy Israel and that was not ever

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Speaker 2: I've been here, I've been listening to people who talk

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