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Speaker 1: Because the City with Kate podcast. It's good.

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Speaker 2: Something.

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Speaker 1: The process hit songs.

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Speaker 3: Such an amazing contradiction going from the intro.

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Speaker 4: To then talk about a hit song. I know, apology,

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Speaker 4: you know, a hit song, and then we go into.

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Speaker 5: We're going back to the eighties here, everybody, one of

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Speaker 5: Michael Jackson's greatest songs, we're doing Rock with You Today,

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Speaker 5: which is just a dance floor classic.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's an amazing song.

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Speaker 5: Let's start with Quincy Jones because we know Quincy Jones

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Speaker 5: was involved with Michael Jackson, one of the greatest producers

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Speaker 5: of all time. Now, I didn't know how many songs

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Speaker 5: they would go through. Now this is Rock with You

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Speaker 5: was before his album Thriller, Right, but listen, you know

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Speaker 5: how many songs Quincy Jones went went through to pick

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Speaker 5: the nine songs that ended up on Thriller.

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Speaker 6: I want to do something I love you know, and

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Speaker 6: if I get so we went to eight hundred.

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Speaker 3: Songs of the Thrillers get name songs.

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Speaker 5: So they went through eight hundred songs just to get nine.

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Speaker 5: And he had people around him, Quincy Jones, right, one

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Speaker 5: guy that he really liked was a guy called Rod Templeton. Okay,

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Speaker 5: so can you start this now, Jess, Because Rod Temperton

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Speaker 5: was the one that first started rock with you. It

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Speaker 5: was his song, okay, and Quincy Jones heard it and thought, mane,

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Speaker 5: this is amazing. The thing was, Rod's version was a

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Speaker 5: little bit different than Michael's.

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Speaker 1: Right, Okay, this is the original demo. Have a listen.

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Speaker 4: Rock sounds like it's not as good as Michael.

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Speaker 2: But so that's Rod Temberton there, all right, hand off, mate,

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Speaker 1: When you actually listen to that, you go, how the

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Speaker 1: hell do they get a hit song out of that?

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Speaker 5: But Quincy Jones heard something in Rod Temperton's song, how's

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Speaker 5: this the original?

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Speaker 1: Wasn't? They weren't going to give it to my Michael Jackson.

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Speaker 5: They wanted to give it to Karen Carpenter from the Carpenters.

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Speaker 1: Oh now, someone's put.

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Speaker 5: An AI version together of what Karen Carpenter would have

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Speaker 1: She took the song. Have a listen, Actually sounds like Michael.

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Speaker 1: So that's it there.

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Speaker 5: Then Michael gets presented the song from Quincy Jones introduces

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Speaker 5: him to Rod Temperton and goes, mate, this is this

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Speaker 1: What do you think what do you think lyrics wise?

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Speaker 1: What did you want to do?

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Speaker 5: So then Michael Jackson sits down and he you know

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Speaker 1: This is Michael talking about the song right Temperton. Quincy

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Speaker 1: told him to write a song about the rock which dance.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to have a double meaning about writing a.

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Speaker 6: Girl and doing the dance.

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Speaker 4: You know, a little nasty, that's that.

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Speaker 1: And he came up with the song which which was.

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Speaker 4: Wonder Michael wanted it to be a little nasty.

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Speaker 5: Well, yeah, there was a dance called the rock and

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Speaker 5: he wanted a double meaning of he wanted to rock

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Speaker 1: Girl run get a little nasty. Then this is the

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Speaker 1: last one that I'm going to give you as well.

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Speaker 5: There was a famous drama called John Robins and that

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Speaker 5: Quincy Jones then comes in and goes, look, I need

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Speaker 6: The rock with you intro, I see Quincy get up

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Speaker 6: and Quincy stands right by me, and Quincy goes, if

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Speaker 6: you could come up with a fill, an intro phill

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Speaker 6: that the whole world would forever identify this song, could

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Speaker 5: Then it goes into the song that's the origins, the

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Speaker 1: And see Michael didn't really have much to do with it.

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Speaker 1: He made it nasty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly made it nasty.

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Speaker 1: Fits and whipper with Bridgie podcast this melody the process

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Speaker 5: Aprologies for the opener. But it is, this is fascinating.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to take you back to two thousand and

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Speaker 5: two with this song. We're going Vanessa Carlton a thousand miles.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a song. The iconic piano at

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Speaker 1: about that because she spoke about this.

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Speaker 5: Recently and she was just in her kitchen at home

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Speaker 1: Have to listen to this.

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Speaker 8: So the main part of this song that I had

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Speaker 1: That doesn't that suck you in strata? And then how's this?

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Speaker 5: Her mom pipes up, comes around the corner from the

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Speaker 7: It was the summer she was turning seventeen, and I

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Speaker 7: she did the riff of one thousand Miles and I

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Speaker 7: just went, that's ahead, sweetie, awesome.

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Speaker 4: Sweet.

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Speaker 5: What are the lyrics about? And I can elaborate on

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Speaker 5: in a thousand miles? To be with this certain person?

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Speaker 5: She explains it here.

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Speaker 8: The song is about a crush I had on a

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Speaker 4: I was very shy.

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Speaker 9: I was like, there's just no way on God's creation

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Speaker 9: give a better chance of falling up than ever having

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Speaker 8: With this person. I can't say the person's name because

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Speaker 1: And I don't want to say they know the songs

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Speaker 5: No, Okay, So we've done some reseurs and the biggest

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Speaker 5: actor that was at Juilliard where she was studying at

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Speaker 5: the time, was Adam Driver. So Adam Driver an amazing actor.

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Speaker 5: So people are saying that the song has been written

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know him.

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Speaker 5: He's in Star Wars. He was in Star Wars. He

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Speaker 5: So then this is where it gets. This is where

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Speaker 1: And then there was a producer by the name of

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Speaker 5: Now Ron Fair. He dealt with Jimmy Ivan. Jimmy Ivanes

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Speaker 5: looked after some of the biggest acts in the world.

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Speaker 1: Have a listen to Ron Fair's story.

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Speaker 10: The first time I became aware of Vanessa Carlton was

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Speaker 10: when Jimmy Iavan gave me this brown paper bag of

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Speaker 10: demo CDs that were basically the scrap heap. In that

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Speaker 10: bag was Vanessa Carlton's CD. I've never seen her name

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Speaker 10: before putting the CDs in the walkman, I went through

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Speaker 10: came to this song, which was seventh on the CD,

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Speaker 10: and it wasn't even called one thousand Miles.

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Speaker 1: It was called Interlude.

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Speaker 10: It played, you know, the famous intro. I hit replay

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Speaker 10: and I hit replay, and I hit replay, and I

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Speaker 10: hit replay and I hit replay. I called Jimmy and

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Speaker 10: I say, there's a smash on this. We cannot drop

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Speaker 10: this artist. So I asked if I could meet with

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Speaker 10: Vanessa Carlton and discussed with her the idea of re

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Speaker 10: recording the song and not dripping her at all, but

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Speaker 1: Wild Isn't that fast she was gone, no one would

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Speaker 1: have known who she was, do you know?

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Speaker 3: It just makes me think of how many great artists

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Speaker 3: undiscovered her out there that have written songs that could

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Speaker 3: be hits, but due to the luck of him taking

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Speaker 3: the time to go through the waist and the leftover.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got to track seven. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But see this is the thing and it's such a

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Speaker 5: it's a beautifully produced song.

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Speaker 1: So then Ron Fair and he's a bit of a

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Speaker 1: fruit loop rom Fair.

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Speaker 5: You'll hear that here, right, he's manic, but he's the

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Speaker 5: one that because it's only the piano that Vanessa Carlton did.

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Speaker 1: Then he put his spin on it. Have a listen.

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Speaker 10: Those three nots.

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Speaker 1: Became this none moser. Wow, I want attention to Bill.

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Speaker 4: You're paddling out. You're paddling out, You're waiting for the

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Speaker 10: Turn around, the wave is coming, catch the wave surfing.

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Speaker 1: Boom number one record.

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Speaker 10: Right from there, Boom, it's a smash right there. When

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Speaker 10: she sings that again, that's string lick. That's where the

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Speaker 10: money the wall has come out right there. Wow, wood

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Speaker 10: piss me by wood piss, would piss half an.

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Speaker 1: Hour in my life, she kept saying, would pass me by,

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Speaker 1: No wood piss.

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Speaker 4: Of course you even gotta pay it off.

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Speaker 1: She just got the ringo star in this bar.

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Speaker 2: Boom boom, boom, boom.

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Speaker 1: And then jazz lighters out. This is the lighter section

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Speaker 1: and it is I think she's a bit of a

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Speaker 1: one one heat one.

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Speaker 3: Did she have any other songs?

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Speaker 8: We know?

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Speaker 1: Not really they went through this scrap peap.

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Speaker 4: There was no more but a thousand miles.

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