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Speaker 1: Ready Ponty, welcome mate.

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Speaker 2: Nice to be mate.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty pretty timely. I mean, like the ashes on

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Speaker 2: How you going, I'm going, well, it's yeah, as you say,

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Speaker 2: it's good timing for me to come in and talk

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Speaker 1: Now we're going to do our wine. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: there's no cricket here. This is where we're talking about whine.

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Speaker 2: That's my man. It's a good time. It's Christmas time.

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Speaker 1: We don't talk about wine and we will talk about wine.

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Speaker 2: We'll move on to that. I mean, it's a good time.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's two things in the world that I know

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Speaker 1: And that that's pretty good actually. But by the way,

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Speaker 1: I've always I thought about you and as a kid,

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Speaker 1: the same as I called Graham Hughes. I don't know

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Speaker 2: I'd never noticed it around anyone that I'd ever played with.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you got to go back to your your kid

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Speaker 1: So how does I mean you see I see parents today,

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Speaker 1: I'm my grandparents. I see my own kids doing it

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Speaker 1: They both got a good eye hand coordination.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and my uncle played cricket for Australia, Greg Campbell

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Speaker 2: No more? And more like show you when we finish it,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and like any kid growing up, it was just

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Speaker 2: both of those games equally. In fact, I probably enjoyed

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Speaker 1: You said you in your early stages, you wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: That's really that's full leadership. I mean, no matter how

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Speaker 2: How they were. But we just lost in O five,

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Speaker 2: Well we had we had to. Like that was where

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Speaker 1: Justin Langer, Mike Mark Clark, shame was Andrews Shane Warn

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Speaker 1: it goes on not bad.

436
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Speaker 2: Well, we got stung back into action basically after five

437
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Speaker 2: that five tour with some of those sort of older

438
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Speaker 2: names that you're mentioning there, Like we when we got

439
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Speaker 2: to the UK, for all the right reasons, we tried

440
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Speaker 2: to sort of structure our training and preparation in a

441
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Speaker 2: way that meant that some of these older guys Mattie

442
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Speaker 2: Hayden didn't want to be at training for five hours,

443
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Speaker 2: you know, three days in a row, leading into injuries

444
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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I just just just wanted to

445
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Speaker 2: be more mentally fresh rather than being there the slog

446
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Speaker 2: of a you know, an act just too is hard work.

447
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Speaker 1: They take me through, I think, because what do you

448
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Speaker 1: mean by that, Because.

449
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Speaker 2: Well, back in like our Australian cricket team's old way

450
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Speaker 2: of training was everyone there together, everyone there at the

451
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Speaker 2: same time. Openers pad up first, you face the McGrath lee,

452
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Speaker 2: these guys in the nets with the new balls. And

453
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Speaker 2: it got to the stage where some of our like

454
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Speaker 2: some of our guys didn't want to do it that way.

455
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Speaker 2: They wanted to be able to tailor their training for

456
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Speaker 2: exactly what they needed rather than the old school way. Right.

457
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Speaker 2: So you know, John b Chan and I were for

458
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Speaker 2: all the right reasons, We're happy to try and accommodate

459
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Speaker 2: these guys to hopefully get the best out of them

460
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Speaker 2: on that tour. Now it didn't work. So like just

461
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Speaker 2: the little fractures of having the group not together all

462
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Speaker 2: the time. We had certain individuals which I won't name,

463
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Speaker 2: that that didn't stay in the team hotel and certain

464
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Speaker 2: venue had their family there so they were staying in

465
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Speaker 2: other accommodation and little things like that. When in the

466
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Speaker 2: middle of NASHES tool, when the whole country in the

467
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Speaker 2: UK is trying to pull you apart anyway, media, everyone

468
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Speaker 2: in the public, they're trying to pick any little gap

469
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Speaker 2: that they can and with a weakness. Yeah, and we

470
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Speaker 2: just had these few little cracks at the were there

471
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Speaker 2: that when you get put under pressure in an ASHES tour,

472
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Speaker 2: then those cracks just widen up and become a little

473
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Speaker 2: bit bigger. So the great learning for me on that

474
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Speaker 2: ASHES tour as a young captain I'd only been in

475
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Speaker 2: the job for about eighteen months was the guys that

476
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,040
Speaker 2: these things that were sort of happening were some of

477
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Speaker 2: my more experienced players in the side, and as a

478
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Speaker 2: young captain, I was just like, they'll work it out,

479
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: like they'll fix it, you know, But guess what they didn't.

480
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Speaker 2: And then the extra week that I waited could have

481
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Speaker 2: been the difference between winning and not winning that series.

482
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Speaker 2: So from that moment on, and you talk about leadership.

483
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Speaker 2: It was literally, I've got a good feel for the game,

484
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Speaker 2: and I've got a good feel for team, and I've

485
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Speaker 2: got a good feel for when people are going well

486
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Speaker 2: and not going well. And from that moment on, anytime

487
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Speaker 2: that I identified anything that wasn't exactly perfect or didn't

488
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Speaker 2: quite sit well with me, then I addressed it and

489
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Speaker 2: fixed it on the spot.

490
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Speaker 1: So what's the interaction said between you and the coach

491
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Speaker 1: and the play? So how does that work? So you

492
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Speaker 1: sound like you're sort of playing a definite as Robert

493
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Speaker 1: more leadership role but also nearly strategic.

494
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Speaker 2: Well, the end of the day, the captain of a

495
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Speaker 2: cricket team is completely different than a captain of any

496
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Speaker 2: other team. The captain is basically the coach once once

497
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Speaker 2: the game starts, the coach pretty much doesn't do much

498
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Speaker 2: at all. It's all over to the captain. Yeah, pretty much.

499
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Speaker 2: So the coach is more responsible for preparation, training times,

500
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Speaker 2: what we're going to do with training. How that works

501
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 2: he can yeah, of course, Yeah, I mean that's a

502
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Speaker 2: pretty important relationship captain coach of a national cricket team.

503
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Speaker 2: But that side of things was, you know, not left

504
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Speaker 2: up to me to handle those individuals. But it's my

505
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Speaker 2: team and they're, you know, the guys that I'm interacting

506
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Speaker 2: with all the time. I should have done it, And

507
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Speaker 2: if I was guilty of one thing, it was just

508
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Speaker 2: it was I actually just trusted them to I trusted

509
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Speaker 2: them to get get it right and sorted out more

510
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Speaker 2: than I'm more than I probably should have.

511
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Speaker 1: So from a leadership point of view, would you say

512
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Speaker 1: to you, aspiring young captains, aspiring leaders in business, et cetera,

513
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Speaker 1: how do you balance up that end or reconcile that

514
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Speaker 1: bit between trusting my staff, trusting my team which is

515
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Speaker 1: your staff, and at the same time out leading the

516
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Speaker 1: organization to make sure that nothing goes astray.

517
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Speaker 2: I think it's just I think it's just a real

518
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 2: gut field thing. I mean, don't get me wrong. Like

519
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: you have to have full and out of trust in

520
00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 2: all your all your stuff, who players with your team. Yeah, yeah,

521
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: you've got to have full trust in that. But I

522
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: just had that. I knew that little things were wrong,

523
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Speaker 2: and I didn't I just didn't address them quick enough.

524
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Speaker 2: So I think when you've got that gut feel on

525
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Speaker 2: what you know makes and brings success, the moment that

526
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Speaker 2: you feel that that is not quite where it needs

527
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Speaker 2: to be. You've got to get back on track again.

528
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Speaker 2: You got to You've got to fix it quickly, especially

529
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Speaker 2: you know in international series, as I said, where the

530
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Speaker 2: whole country is trying to pull you apart if you don't,

531
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Speaker 2: if you just let it go a little bit longer

532
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Speaker 2: than you're cooked.

533
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Speaker 1: So it's sort of you're you're going to be. You

534
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Speaker 1: and the coach are very strategic about Hey, you start

535
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Speaker 1: before you start the game, like prep and all that

536
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. But you're talking about being tactical. Now

537
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,679
Speaker 1: every single day you notice something's going wrong here, Notice

538
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 1: personally you might have an injury, or this person of

539
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,879
Speaker 1: view is not walking very well. You're saying, as leader

540
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Speaker 1: of your organization, which is your team, you've got to

541
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Speaker 1: be very tactical. You got and speak about it straight away.

542
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: Do something. You can't just observe it. Let it just

543
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Speaker 1: no no drift by.

544
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Speaker 2: Now every day that goes by as a day loss

545
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 2: that you could have had a chance to fix something.

546
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Speaker 1: Because you were pretty young. Then me, where do you

547
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Speaker 1: pick that sort of thinking up from or is it

548
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: from making a mistaken.

549
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Speaker 2: Making that mistake? You know five absolutely it was everything

550
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 2: was fine, before that, I just you know, I was

551
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Speaker 2: captain in two thousand and three. We just won the

552
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Speaker 2: World Cup, you know, run defeated. Everything's going great on captain,

553
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 2: the number one Test team in the world. Everything's perfect.

554
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 2: But that just the start of that one tour where

555
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: just a couple of little things opened up that I

556
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Speaker 2: didn't fix as well. I learned that really quickly and

557
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: learned the hardway. Like I said, if it's the low

558
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 2: point of my career, then I learned the halfway right

559
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 2: because we you know, I had I was lucky enough

560
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: to playing lots of good teams and had lots of

561
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 2: success and we didn't have lots of down times. But

562
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 2: that one hit home pretty hard. And then it was

563
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Speaker 2: from what I'd identified and what we'd identified as a

564
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Speaker 2: group in five we had about I think England were

565
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 2: back really quickly. It was only like a nine or

566
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 2: ten month turn around before England were back in Australia,

567
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: so we had a chance over a short window to

568
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Speaker 2: actually get together as a group, get back onto the

569
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 2: old school Australian way of training and preparing and being

570
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Speaker 2: together and being hard nosed and given them nothing and

571
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Speaker 2: treating with great respect but just giving them. Nothing outside

572
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: of that. We're had a well documented camp up in

573
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Speaker 2: the SAS camp thing up in the bush in somewhere

574
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Speaker 2: in northern Queensland, which none of us even know where

575
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Speaker 2: we went yet, because we literally got onto two buses

576
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Speaker 2: that had the windows completely blacked out and we just

577
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Speaker 2: drove out into the bush somewhere. When we got off,

578
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 2: we didn't know where we were. We had a backpack,

579
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Speaker 2: a pair of track pants and a T shirt for

580
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Speaker 2: a week in the bush and that was that was us.

581
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Speaker 1: They hardened you up.

582
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Speaker 2: It was about breaking everyone down, breaking everyone down, and

583
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Speaker 2: see how they reacted under under pressure.

584
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Speaker 1: Yeah, in surprises.

585
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 2: No, No, there were ones there that I'm sure you

586
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,399
Speaker 2: can even probably identify that weren't that happy to be there.

587
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 2: But a couple of legspinners weren't that happy to be there.

588
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Speaker 2: Let's leave it that.

589
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: But Mabil phone No nothing, mate, that would have killed

590
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Speaker 1: one of them.

591
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,880
Speaker 2: Nothing. No set meals and things like we were We're

592
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Speaker 2: eating Campbell's soup out of a tin in the middle

593
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: of the bush at midnight.

594
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Speaker 1: Play an SAS styles.

595
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: It was completely that, like it was trying to break

596
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 2: us down to the point just to see get us

597
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: at our lowest and see how we would react under

598
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 2: that pressure and also gave gave us a chance to

599
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: sit down and be pretty open open with each other

600
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: as well as to what we wanted to achieve going

601
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: forward in that next series coming up, but also as

602
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 2: a group for the next two or three years. And

603
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: it wasn't we didn't just have the players there. We

604
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: had everyone there that was going to be have direct

605
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: contact with the Australian cricket team and that was something

606
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 2: that John Buchanan and I wanted to be able to

607
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: do together everyone involved in the team.

608
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: Because it as in physios and all the top.

609
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: So all the direct staff that worked at Cricket Australia

610
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: were all there with us. Yeah, So I mean my agree.

611
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 2: I think we were broken up into groups of I

612
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,919
Speaker 2: think eight or ten and I ended up having our

613
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: team manager who was probably sixty five at the time,

614
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 2: and our fielding coach he was probably sixty at the

615
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 2: time in our group. The first exercise we had we

616
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: had to walk single file up about a three kilometer

617
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 2: incline the backpack backpacks on, but we had jerry cans

618
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 2: of twenty kilo or twenty liter, so twenty kilos of water,

619
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Speaker 2: and we had one of those each to get up,

620
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 2: and you had to stay exactly one meter apart the

621
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Speaker 2: whole way up. The minute anyone veered off, then it

622
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: wasn't just your group that had to go down. Everyone

623
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 2: went down, start again, twenty push ups on the spot,

624
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,120
Speaker 2: back up and go again. So with those older guys,

625
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: I hadn't They couldn't even they couldn't get the jerry

626
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,920
Speaker 2: cans up there. So I ended up with I ended

627
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 2: up with two Simon Cadishes in my group ended up

628
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 2: with two. So we got forty kilos. We carried up

629
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Speaker 2: this three k incline, making sure that we don't step

630
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: five centimeters out of place. If we did, it was down.

631
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Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot of fun. Actually no, it was.

632
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 2: For the guys that were that way sort of inclined,

633
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,959
Speaker 2: it was unbelievable, Like to get a group together and

634
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 2: share some of that stuff all beat As hard as

635
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: it was, it was great. But what it did, it

636
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: just it just clicked the group back into would you

637
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: call a bit cyborg mode called with Mick Fanning, that's

638
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 2: what had happened with us. Like if I looked before

639
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: that camp, if I looked McGrath and Hayden and Gilly

640
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: in the eye, you know, at the back end of

641
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 2: their career to laughter that camp I looked at them

642
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 2: in the eye. They were just different people. They were

643
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 2: different beasts. They'd just gone into Right, Okay, we're back

644
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 2: on here. We've got this series coming up where we're

645
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: going to show England and the rest of the world

646
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,879
Speaker 2: just how good a cricket team we are. And the

647
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 2: rest is history. I mean, we beat them, We beat

648
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 2: them five new they they didn't even they had a

649
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:27,560
Speaker 2: chance to win a game. They had a chance to

650
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: win a game in Adelaide that they chose to not

651
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 2: to try and win and tried to play out for

652
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: a drawl which played perfectly into our hands. And from

653
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 2: the moment that we won that game, I knew that

654
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 2: they couldn't win a game on the entire tour.

655
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: So you've got a reputation, or definitely had a reputation

656
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: is being fairly aggressive? Like hard mindset? How important is

657
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: mindset relative to just your physicality? Like you know your mindset?

658
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: How is that? How important has that been to you

659
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,720
Speaker 1: in forging your career as one of the greatest cricketers

660
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 1: austral has ever produced.

661
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean my mindset and it'd be pretty hard

662
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: up bit of it. Yeah, and I'll tell you why.

663
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: So a bit of my background you talked about where

664
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: I grew up. I lived in housing commission homes until

665
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: I was playing cricket for Australia. So I was going

666
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 2: away on a cricket to it, coming back and living

667
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: in a housing commission home. So as a kid, I

668
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: didn't have a cricket. As a kid, I didn't. I

669
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: was borrowing my mum's shoes for cricket at school in

670
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 2: grade five. Wow, you know stuff like that. So once

671
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: I got an opportunity, it was going to take someone

672
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: pretty tough to take.

673
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: It away from you. Fuck it, you're not letting that go.

674
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I'm not yet. And you know, my whole

675
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: the whole journey for me was once I got picked

676
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: in the Australian team, all I basically said was I

677
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: want to be a successful part of a very successful

678
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 2: cricket team. So I worked along along that way. I

679
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: worked to be the most successful I could be, but

680
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: also make sure the team that I was in was

681
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 2: the most successful it could be with whatever I could do,

682
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: skill wise, leadership wise, mindset wise, whatever whatever I could

683
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: and then and then you can break that down even further.

684
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 2: So as a as a batsman, you're in a one

685
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 2: on one contest with the ball, right, the bowler standing

686
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 2: up at end of his mark, he's B one hundred

687
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 2: and fifty K is either trying to hurt you know,

688
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: he's trying to get you out right. So the way

689
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 2: that I used to look at that, and this is

690
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: you talk about mindset. It was like radio, I'm here,

691
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: you've got your ball, I got my bat. Let's go.

692
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: It's your best, let's see you wins. Yeah, that's it.

693
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: I looked at it and you're consciously wear that.

694
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 2: That that's all. That's how I got myself up for

695
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: each game. Like I never thought, like as a young bloke,

696
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 2: I never thought a bowler could ever get me out.

697
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:27,959
Speaker 2: It didn't matter what they did, didn't matter hell well

698
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 2: they bold, how fast they bowled. I had no fear

699
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 2: of getting out at all. I was just going out

700
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: of the school to score runs. And that was it.

701
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: Did it ever change?

702
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 2: Is there anyone particularly now it changed the back end

703
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: of my careers where it changed. Yeah, yeah, I love it.

704
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: Either they're like, well no, but it was not. It

705
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: was where the mindset changed, to be honest. Yeah, So

706
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: the last two years when I stood down from the

707
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 2: captaincy and Michael Clarke took over the one day captaincy

708
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: and Test captaincy, and at that stage no other captain

709
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: that had stood down had kept playing. Normally, if you

710
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: stood down, you retired. But I I wanted to stay

711
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: around the Aussie team because I I was still playing

712
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 2: well enough. There was no one in Australia that was

713
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 2: going to not take my place. But we had Warner

714
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: and Smith and Hadden and Johnson and Side, all these

715
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: young boys coming in to the Nathan Lyne, all these

716
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: young guys coming in that I wanted to be around

717
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 2: and be a part of the start of their journey

718
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: like I had when I started. I had Boone, Healley,

719
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: Taylor to Wars, all these guys around when I first started,

720
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: and it was the ideal introduction into the Istrail cricket team.

721
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: So I wanted to be around for that. But what

722
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 2: that meant was when I wasn't captain and we talk

723
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 2: about setting example, I went to it. I just went

724
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 2: too far with it all I try to be too

725
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: perfect with I mean, I was fitter I was stronger,

726
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 2: I was leaner. All the things that I needed to

727
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: do training was to play well physically physically. But what

728
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: I was also too worried about was, as I said,

729
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 2: being perfect and setting the perfect example. And then I've

730
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: just forgot out of score runs. That might not make

731
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: any sense to you, but when I was just said before,

732
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: every time I walked out the bat, I had no

733
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: fear of getting out. It was only about scoring runs

734
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: at the back end, trying to be perfect. I was

735
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 2: more worried about not getting out first than scoring runs.

736
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 1: It's a bit of as we get older, and let's

737
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: say we you know, we grow well for whatever the

738
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: case we'll be, we play more defensively. It's like we've

739
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: got something to protect. I mean in footy you can't

740
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: do it in an AFL or regular you can't protect

741
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 1: the lead. You've got to you know, by being defensive.

742
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: It's not a good idea. So you're you're saying your

743
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: mindset as you got older was like it sounds like

744
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: you're trying to protect lead or a little bit more defensive.

745
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: You're not as fearless, yeah.

746
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: Or yeah, just more more more worried about getting out

747
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: first rather than scoring runs. Yeah, so that's exactly what happened.

748
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 2: And then when you're thinking that way, guess what, making

749
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: runs becomes bloody hard.

750
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 1: So if you, if I do, want to just ask

751
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: you one quick question because I think as relevant to

752
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: some of the young kids coming through today, some of

753
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: the young players. When you're you talked about how when you,

754
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: let's say it in two thousands five, we're in England,

755
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,920
Speaker 1: the media every I was trying to put your pants

756
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: down and sort of you know, put pressure on you

757
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: wherever they can find weakness, put pressure on you. How

758
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: do you deal with the pressure of being a really

759
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: super talented young guy everyone has expectations of in a

760
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: cricket side. You know, let's say you're just now playing

761
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 1: for Australia or you're playing we're playing reps and you're

762
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: playing for Australia, like your first year, your first year

763
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: at captaincy, how did you deal with the pressure of

764
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: the media. Now you're someone in the media today, so

765
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: you know how the media works. They're always they're looking

766
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: for a story, you know, and if Ricky Pointing doesn't

767
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: want to be the player that everyone thought he was,

768
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: they're going to give it to you.

769
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I I never gave them too much,

770
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 2: to be honest, and I talk the way I talk

771
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: about that now is when I was a player and

772
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 2: as a captain, it was like I have my helmet

773
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 2: on all the time. And now that I've retired, I've

774
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: been able to take my helmet off and there's a

775
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: lot more. You know, there's a lot more of me

776
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 2: coming out, whether it's in broadcast or I think people

777
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 2: on the public and the media probably starting to understand

778
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: me more now than they did when I was playing.

779
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 2: But that was that was on purpose as well. I

780
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: didn't want to give too much away about me or

781
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 2: my team. I looked at myself as well as a

782
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: as a guardian of Australian cricket and a protector of

783
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 2: my teammates. You know, I looked as myself as a

784
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: pretty much when I was captain, I thought of myself

785
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: as a primary school teacher. Like how would a primary

786
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 2: school teacher look after their group? Right there, They're always there,

787
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 2: They're there for them all the time. They're putting their

788
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 2: arm around and they give them a pat in the back.

789
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 2: They're not necessarily ruling with the iron fist like the

790
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: like the principal. Would it at a prima primary school,

791
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 2: at a sorry, at a high school, at private school

792
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 2: high school. Yeah, so that's the way that I tried

793
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 2: to protect and look after. So if it even if

794
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't me like I didn't, I didn't get a

795
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 2: lot of negativity in the media because of the way

796
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: that I played, because I'd had reasonable success, right, So

797
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: there wasn't many.

798
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: Times more than reasonable.

799
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, so it wasn't a lot where I had

800
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 2: to go and sit and talk about myself or answer

801
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: questions about myself.

802
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: But you're the captain of a team.

803
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 2: That leadership five maybe some questions around that. But I

804
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: had all these other guys that I was answering questions

805
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: about all the time, and that's where the protector came in.

806
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 2: That's for me. I didn't get much about I didn't

807
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: say much about any of them that once. I said,

808
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 2: you know, they're in my tent. I'm doing whatever I

809
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: can to look after them and protect them and keep

810
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 2: them in my tent. And then if it ever got

811
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: to the point where media were unfair to my team

812
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: or were unfair and factually incorrect about any of my players,

813
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: then they knew it. I went I went, I went, yeah,

814
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: but not in I just go to individually ands and say, look,

815
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: that's you're wrong. And if you want to keep talking

816
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: to us, so you're going to keep talking to me

817
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: in press conferences, then why don't you talk to me

818
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: first and asked me first, rather than just planning stuff

819
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 2: out there. That's not that's not right. So I had

820
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: a pretty strict and strong relationship with the media, and

821
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: now I think a lot of those guys that I

822
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: dealt with then, if you ask them now, they would say,

823
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: who was that bloke fifteen years ago? Like he's totally

824
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: different than right now. That's right. But I yeah, and

825
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not looking I'm not looking after anyone.

826
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 2: I'm not protecting a group and a team, and you

827
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 2: know the other the other thing. Back then, I think

828
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,439
Speaker 2: we could beat a lot of teams back then on

829
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 2: the mystique that was around that side. Everyone thought we

830
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 2: were different. Everyone thought we were different everybody else and

831
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: there's something around that group and this player does that,

832
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 2: and he does that. Now there wasn't. We were just good,

833
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: but we were quiet. We didn't let anyone in. No

834
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 2: one knew anything about what we were doing, you know,

835
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: no one was in the No one used to come

836
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 2: in the dressing rooms, like we might have three or

837
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 2: four people in the dressing rooms at the end of

838
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 2: a test match, Like I didn't want anyone to know

839
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: what we were what we were like.

840
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: So it's interesting because I'm sitting here talking to you,

841
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: and the cameras probably a catching this, but I mean,

842
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look at your personality and your character.

843
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: And I talked about your eyes a moment to go

844
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 1: for the people who were listening to this, and or

845
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: if you're listening on you know, with some sort of

846
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 1: audio process and or not watching, might conteasing with this

847
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: guy seeing obviously now, so I want to make some observations.

848
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: So the first thing is you are for me. You

849
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 1: are really confident in what you got to say, and

850
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: you articulate it well. So I guess that's how you

851
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: were as a player too, as a captain, but you

852
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 1: articulate with will. But what people don't would not be

853
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: picking up from these cameras. This guy's got a death stare.

854
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 1: You have a death stare. You don't blink too much

855
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: blinking now, but when you're speaking, when you are, when

856
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: you're delivering an answer, you know exactly what you want

857
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: to say, But the glare that's coming out of your

858
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 1: eyes is is confronting, like it's it's like you're looking

859
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: right through me. And do you realize you do that?

860
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: I mean you've probably have been told by Yeah, I.

861
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 2: Don't know that I do it, but I've been told

862
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 2: in certain environments, have you got that look? Like?

863
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 1: You know, even my dad's dad's got the look.

864
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 2: Well, even like my son's eleven, even around his junior

865
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: cricket team, some of the other dads are like, have

866
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,879
Speaker 2: you have you got that look from him today?

867
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: But there is a look you have not when you're laughing,

868
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: your your eyes squeened up and I can't see what's

869
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: going on in there.

870
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: But when you're what I'm talking about cricket and readership

871
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: and things, I'm pretty you know, I'm pretty passionate about.

872
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I engage me passionate it ricky. Like for me, this

873
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: is dead said, serious, the deal. It's not just I

874
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: get the passion bit, but like it's real. Like when

875
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: you say I want to protect my site, my job

876
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: is to look afterm it looks like you know, bravehatshit.

877
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: It's real, It's real, like you really want to do it,

878
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: you really actually really believe in it. Sounds like it's fundamental.

879
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: It's a fundamental to me. It's like a non negotiable principle,

880
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: like not something you're prepared to move back and move

881
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: away from.

882
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 2: No, not at all. And that's the way I've always lived.

883
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: That's the way I was brought up. You know, nothing,

884
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 2: nothing's easy, nothing's taken for granted. Got the opportunity to

885
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: make the most of it. Put your stamp on it,

886
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: let everyone know the way it's going to be, and

887
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 2: then remain that way. Remain yourself. You can't. I've always

888
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: been a big believer in not. But you can't change

889
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: who you are and go up and down with the

890
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 2: moments or with the times, with the individuals. Like you

891
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: have to let everyone know this is you, this is

892
00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: the way it's going to be at the end of

893
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: the day. You know, I might give someone a desk there,

894
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: but that and that might be one of my teammates,

895
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 2: But that teammate has to understand that the reason I'm

896
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 2: doing that is because I'm trying to make them better.

897
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: It's not for any other reason.

898
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 1: I don't I don't dislike it trying to dominate you.

899
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: Just this. Yeah, this is this is the way. This

900
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 2: is the way that I'm delivering the message. This is

901
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: the way I think I can get the message across

902
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: to you, to you best. And even coaching in the

903
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: ip ON now, I'm coaching probably five or six different

904
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: cultures in one one team environment. You know, you've got

905
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: probably fifteen eighteen Indians in your side, young Indian kids,

906
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: and you know that death here probably comes out with

907
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: them a lot of the time. But like I said

908
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: on my say, I'm going to have I'm gonna have

909
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 2: a one hundred conversations with you over the next two months.

910
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: You're going to enjoy ninety ninety five of them, but

911
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: there's going to be a few that you're not going

912
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: to enjoy that much. And that's but the reason I'm

913
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: doing it is because I'm making you better. That's that's

914
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,359
Speaker 2: all I care about, is making you better, making our

915
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: team better, and giving us the chance of wining to

916
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 2: win as many games as possible.

917
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: Do you think they've grown up the way you did

918
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier in housing commissioned as a kid,

919
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: et cetera, and not being sort of overly spoilt obviously

920
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: but clearly being loved by your parents but not being

921
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: overly spilt. Do you think that sort of builds a

922
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: certain honesty and authenticity and like something you I mean

923
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 1: as a principle, do you carry that through in your life?

924
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: Like fucking I'm going to be authentic, I'm gonna be

925
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 1: honest because you know part of that those conversations making

926
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: you the best version of yourself talking to your players

927
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: or and or your teammates, that's about you actually telling

928
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: him what you honestly feel like and then you talk authentically.

929
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: You don't you're not trying to bullshad anybody, you know,

930
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: Like I know people like this like Kerry Pack was

931
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 1: like that. He was he actually wanted to get the

932
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: best version of you out of you. And he also

933
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: had the same look and I haven't met too many

934
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: people have that look. He had that same look. And

935
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: do you do you build it as a skill? Do

936
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: you think or do you notice as it no it's

937
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: a skill or is there something that you just naturally do?

938
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: I think it was something that was ingrained in me.

939
00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: I think you go back to my upbringing at home,

940
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 2: my cricket club upbringing environment was very much the same

941
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 2: very hard ass upbringing in my career club, but the

942
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: same thing. There had a lot of blokes that were

943
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: looking out for me and had my back, And I

944
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: think having had that as a kid, I think I

945
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: understand understood how good and loving that environment was, and

946
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that that was the way

947
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,799
Speaker 2: I was going to be going forward. So I don't

948
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 2: think it was ever anything. I don't think it was

949
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 2: a practiced thing. I just think that I had great

950
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: respect for being spoken to and looked after in that way.

951
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: That that's just who I turned out to be. But

952
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: also when I was when I was really young, you know,

953
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: some of the some interviews I did as a kid,

954
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: I mean, I couldn't put two words together as a

955
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen twenty year old on not many ken though, no,

956
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 2: and I couldn't And looking back now, it was embarrassing,

957
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: was some of the interviews I did as a young bloke.

958
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: When I first got picked. It was like, God, I

959
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 2: couldn't I couldn't even speak. But that's all evolved, you know,

960
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: it evolves step by step, stage by stage. Maturity roles

961
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 2: in teams, having a voice to start with, I think

962
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: once again, as a young bloke. It didn't always have

963
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: that voice and didn't want to. I just wanted to

964
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 2: sit back and listen and learn from what the great

965
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: players and great teams were doing, and then I could

966
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: store all that. I think that's probably probably been my

967
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: greatest strength over time, is the ability just to listen

968
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 2: and take stuff in and then get rid of all

969
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: the ship and keep the good stuff and then and

970
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 2: be able to use the good stuff where where and

971
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,320
Speaker 2: when appropriate around individuals or around teams. So and if

972
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 2: I'm talking about cricket, I want people to know that

973
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 2: I'm serious about it. Like I'm not just there to

974
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: captain the team to have a bit of fun. I'm

975
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 2: there to captain the team to make you better and

976
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 2: win games. Simple and if if you're if you're not

977
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,479
Speaker 2: on the journey with me, then I find someone else.

978
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: So that and you know, the when I took over

979
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: the captaincy was like I'm taking over the best, the

980
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: best team in the world. I want to make it

981
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: different in some way. I want to make what's inside

982
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 2: the dressing room a little bit different than than what

983
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: it is. I want us to play the same way

984
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 2: on the field. So you know, I came up with

985
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: a vision of what I wanted from from our team.

986
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 2: You know, I wanted the team to be the best

987
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: skilled and most uncompromising cricket team in the world's ever.

988
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: I love that on compromising.

989
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, So with a vision, you need a

990
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: set of values to go with that, right, So how

991
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: do I get how do I create this this vision?

992
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 2: How do I make this vision work? So then I

993
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 2: said all the players down in a group and we

994
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: talked about the values and way the ways that we're

995
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: going to live our lives and train to give us

996
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 2: the best chance of being that best team in the world.

997
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: And then the third part of that was so I

998
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 2: called it the three v's vision Values Validation. Validation was

999
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 2: the third part. If you can't validate it, don't you're

1000
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 2: not in my team. Sorry. But if you're not, you're

1001
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 2: not on the same track as me, not on the

1002
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 2: same path as me. Then we've got enough good players.

1003
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: If find someone.

1004
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: Else, don't talk the talk, walk to walk like we'll

1005
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: do both the.

1006
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 2: Way you're in with me. This is the way we're

1007
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 2: doing it. Jump on board and off we go, and

1008
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 2: we'll go and play, and we'll go and win. But

1009
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: we'll do it the right way.

1010
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: So there's okay. So but you and you had the

1011
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: great skill and you had a fairly hard assed team.

1012
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 1: They obviously they played really well in six and seven

1013
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: and beyond. But there's characters in your team to absolute characters.

1014
00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: And with cricket there's cricketers. My my experience, cricketers they

1015
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: actually have more fun than anybody that as athletes when

1016
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: a fun time comes on, actually some of the best

1017
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: fun time people there are that there really are, and

1018
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,320
Speaker 1: they love a drink. They're just larigans, especially train sides.

1019
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: Those who I've known in your team. You'll want he

1020
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: like anything, How did you well, I don't know even

1021
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: how to say this, but and God rest yourself, but

1022
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: how do you manage the character of someone like him

1023
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: who sounds like, in some respects compared to you the opposite,

1024
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: except maybe when he's by.

1025
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, except when he's when he's competing and he's after

1026
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 2: you talk about a death stare or someone that was

1027
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: in a contest. You wouldn't find many, many better than

1028
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 2: him any day of his life, any day of his career.

1029
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 2: If he was injured, if he was tired, didn't mate it.

1030
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 2: Once he was in a contest, then he was in

1031
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: a contest.

1032
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're up against him, he wants you. But

1033
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: outside of that, like games over, you know, you've got

1034
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: a couple of days hanging out in England.

1035
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: I mean there's probably more made to warning party wise

1036
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: and lifestyle wise than there actually was. Like there was

1037
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: this big, big persona big, fun loving character outside of

1038
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 2: the game. But yeah, he wasn't as big a party

1039
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: as whatever, and probably thought he was. And as you say, God,

1040
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: God bless God rest his soul. But the thing I

1041
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: always sort of joke about with him was that everyone

1042
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 2: of us says, oh, how did you used to look

1043
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: after him and how did you use to captain him?

1044
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: I said, well, thankfully it was only from ten thirty

1045
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: am to six thirty pm, and I didn't have to

1046
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: worry about the rest. I didn't want to know what

1047
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 2: was happening post six thirty pm.

1048
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: Was Was he a bigger character as everyone think?

1049
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: Hundred percent? Yeah, And you've got to just think back

1050
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: to his whole life. I mean he was, you know,

1051
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: one stage, he's signed with Nike. Years over in the

1052
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: Nike factory in the US, hanging out with Michael Jordan

1053
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: designing cricketures for like he was a big deal. Like

1054
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 2: he went from you know, a little fat kid from

1055
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: black Rock or somewhere to all of a sudden in

1056
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: three or four years being probably the big superstar on

1057
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 2: the world cricketing stage. And it went and it even

1058
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 2: went further than that, you know, with his persona and

1059
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: so look ego wise, character wise. When I first became

1060
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,919
Speaker 2: the captain, there were probably there were two other guys

1061
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: I thought were going to become a captain ahead of me.

1062
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: One was Warning, one was Gilly. But Cricket Australia thought

1063
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 2: that I was the right man for the role at

1064
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 2: the right time. But how did I manage that? The

1065
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 2: easy way to say that I managed that was I

1066
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: didn't change myself just because I became the captain. I

1067
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: was the same person in that team that always was,

1068
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 2: you know, always, I was always a bit of an

1069
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:35,920
Speaker 2: Alarican around the team as well. You know, I got

1070
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: mucking around, oh yeah, and just you know, I enjoyed

1071
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 2: a drink as much as anybody and got myself in

1072
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 2: the first share of trouble along the way and got

1073
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: dropped a couple of times earlier in my careers. And

1074
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: so but when I became captain. I didn't. I wasn't.

1075
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm not all of a sudden gone from here to

1076
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 2: here and I'm the boss and I'm making all the decisions.

1077
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: It wasn't like that. It's I got that vision across

1078
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 2: really clearly of the way that the team was going

1079
00:45:58,600 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: to be, the way the team was going to operate,

1080
00:45:59,880 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 2: and this is the way that I'm going to do things.

1081
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 2: But I just remained exactly the same person. I think

1082
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 2: that's where I got the respect from all the players

1083
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 2: along the way with it, and.

1084
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: That it probably helps we help from to like in

1085
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,239
Speaker 1: terms of how you grew up. Like it's not like

1086
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 1: I'm not having to create a private school kids, because

1087
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: most kids end up going to private schools after the

1088
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: parents piece of money. But like that you can sort

1089
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: of you can not demand it. That respect comes to

1090
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: you when you've sort of grew up in a more

1091
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: humble environment too automatically. That booth's he's not a show off,

1092
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: he's he's not himself.

1093
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And cricket's a lot like that, to be honest,

1094
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 2: Like a lot of a lot of cricketers are from

1095
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: the country and there's not a you know, there's probably

1096
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: a really high proportion of public school kids that end

1097
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 2: up playing high level cricket than there is private school kids,

1098
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 2: just the way that it's worked out over the years.

1099
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 2: So yeah, but that was one thing I was conscious of.

1100
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 2: You know, you asked about was there any any practice

1101
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: things along the way as far as leadership was concerned,

1102
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: I was. I was conscious of not changing myself. I

1103
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: wanted to be the same person and you know, be

1104
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: a little bit more maybe inclusive in the inside the

1105
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 2: Australian dressing room than what it probably had been before.

1106
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: So I just trying to ask you if you're talking about, well,

1107
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: when you're talking about how how you guys are going

1108
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: to your values and you pick the values and you know,

1109
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: you articulate really well, and then you sort of talked

1110
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: about how you're going to actually you know, validate that

1111
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: in terms of training and in terms of effort, in

1112
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: terms of how you look after yourself and how you

1113
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,000
Speaker 1: actually play in the field. That's for the whole team

1114
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about, not just you. Then you look at

1115
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: the current English side. They're playing this sort of formal

1116
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: cricket at the Mont called baseball Waderhal and that sort

1117
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: of seems to me the opposite to what gave you

1118
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: guys a success in two thousand and six and seven

1119
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: and that period.

1120
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:41,160
Speaker 2: Well, some would argue that it's actually the same way.

1121
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 2: Like you think about those champion teams that were that

1122
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: I was in the you reuled out some of those

1123
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: names before. We were scoring at a very similar scoring

1124
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 2: rate to what England are now, but we're doing it

1125
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: for longer and doing it for like, doing it better

1126
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: and doing it for longer periods of time, which which

1127
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 2: you have to be able to do in Test cricket.

1128
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 2: We just saw a Test match finish in two days

1129
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: in Perth on the back of that style of play.

1130
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: England one down, one hundred runs ahead at lunch on

1131
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 2: day two, the game's over that night, Australia winning by

1132
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 2: eight wickets. Like unless they're willing to change the way

1133
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 2: that they play and accept that they are making mistakes

1134
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: and they're failing one way, which is I'm not sure

1135
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 2: how much attention you paid it what they've done over

1136
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 2: the last couple of years or what they've spoken about

1137
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,800
Speaker 2: since they've been here, but they made so many glaring

1138
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: mistakes in that last game in Perth to let Australia

1139
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 2: back into the game and then lose what was looking

1140
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 2: to be the unlosable Test match. They didn't just lose

1141
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: a lost by eight wickets. But then they come back

1142
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: at at the end they they defended the way that

1143
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,320
Speaker 2: they played and their captain has done it from the start.

1144
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 2: They don't talk about refining the way they play. They

1145
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 2: talk about go, oh, we'll go harder next time. We

1146
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: have to go harder next time. We didn't get hard

1147
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: enough this time. That's the way they're talking about it.

1148
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 2: And they're great teams that I played in. No if

1149
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 2: we had a day like that, we sit down and

1150
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 2: we address and we make sure we massage it and

1151
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: fix that style of play for the.

1152
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: Next See, you don't double down on your style.

1153
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: You back your style, you back your style in but

1154
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: you've got to play moments in games as well, like

1155
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: ashes cricket. And this is the other thing on one

1156
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 2: record saying England said they're coming here with their best

1157
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:16,439
Speaker 2: team this century, which like Man for Man their best

1158
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 2: team this century. Fine, really and it is and it

1159
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 2: actually is.

1160
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:21,479
Speaker 1: That's saying something.

1161
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 2: And they look at our team and they say, oh,

1162
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 2: this is the worst team Man for Man that Australia

1163
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 2: has had since twenty ten is the media says, and

1164
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 2: some of their past players have said it well, and

1165
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: then my response to that was, I don't care who

1166
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 2: you bring here. I don't care what players you've got.

1167
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 2: I don't care what players we've got. You still got

1168
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: to beat Australia. And there's more to that than just

1169
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: the individual players you got. Like the skill, that fine,

1170
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 2: but when the moments come in a n ASHES series,

1171
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 2: let's see who's standing up at the end of it.

1172
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 2: And last week we saw the characters come out right.

1173
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: Australia were down and done. Travis said, makes one hundred

1174
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 2: and eighty four and the game's over. And that's that's

1175
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: one test in an ASHES. It's not We're not just

1176
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 2: losing that moment, you're losing the game. So all of

1177
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 2: a sudden, there one kneel down. They've got to win.

1178
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 2: They've got to win through the next through, through the

1179
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 2: next four test matches if they want to go home

1180
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 2: with the ASHES. So yeah, it's all about moments, not

1181
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,839
Speaker 2: about not about personnel and starts. Catch yeah, amazable.

1182
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, where does someone get that sort of he's six seven,

1183
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: he's running in still he like full reach, Like that's

1184
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,279
Speaker 1: the other way so he's bowling, he's gone that way. Yeah,

1185
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: and he's got the strength to get back over and

1186
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: get it as he's dominant catching hand obviously his left hand.

1187
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 2: But and he's changed direction. Yeah, he's thirty six or

1188
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,439
Speaker 2: thirty seven and still doing that as well. So that

1189
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: that when we talk about being prepared and being physically right,

1190
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: that was the start of the second innings. It only

1191
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: just bought finished bowling not that long ago. So he's

1192
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 2: back out doing it again.

1193
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Moments are moments like that, moments that turned the game.

1194
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: So like everyone goes, wow, what the fuck? How good

1195
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: was that? Like your side Australia, And then everybody just

1196
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: goes up a level a met of that.

1197
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: It sends a message too, doesn't it. Like it picks

1198
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 2: your teammates up. Everyone around you lifts with it that,

1199
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: But imagine what it does in their dressing room. Mate,

1200
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 2: So they're sitting back saying, shit, they're on again here.

1201
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:13,359
Speaker 2: They've just bolted us out for one hundred and seventy.

1202
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: They're up and about again. We're in trouble. So that's

1203
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: that's the message that it can sent, and that's what

1204
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 2: that's what your hope it does. And there's the two

1205
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: parts of that as well. Right, So that catch is

1206
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: that Crawley on a pair se so the individual scarring

1207
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,399
Speaker 2: comes out of it as well. Stark doesn't catch that,

1208
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 2: Crawley might get away, he might get runs. He takes

1209
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 2: confidence into the second Test. All of a sudden, now

1210
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: he's going to Brisbane with two ducks in the Perth Test.

1211
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,240
Speaker 2: Extra pressure comes back on him and then that pressure

1212
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: can just creep back down through the rest of your

1213
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 2: team as well. So there's there's so many things that

1214
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 2: can play out through the course of a Test match

1215
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: and as an ASHES series.

1216
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: So when he goes for their catch, is I mean,

1217
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,760
Speaker 1: there's probably enough time to think about it's his instinct.

1218
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 1: But do players get the opportunity to make a risk

1219
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 1: assessment like you just said, Like, if I go for

1220
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: this catch, I miss it, I'm going to give him

1221
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: confidence the better. If I get it, I'm going to

1222
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,359
Speaker 1: crush him and probably crush the dressing shed as well.

1223
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: Do do you guys have time to think those things?

1224
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 2: Not on catches like that? And I'd hope to think

1225
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: with anyone the way that Australian players and teams have

1226
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: played over the years, there's no not going for its situation.

1227
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 2: If you are any chance of going for it, you're

1228
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: going for it because unless.

1229
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: You don't dog it.

1230
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 2: Well, there's an old saying with cricket. With those sort

1231
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: of catches, you never you never know unless you have

1232
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 2: a go. Yeah, and that's that's what we've always said.

1233
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 2: If you if you are a chance to get there,

1234
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: you dive. You put your body on the line because

1235
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: it guess what, one day you'll catch one and if

1236
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: you do, that might be the moment in the game

1237
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 2: that wins it for us.

1238
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: So at what stage did Riggy Pointing go from being

1239
00:52:54,360 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: a cricketer, great cricketer, captaining in this country, winning World Series, cetera,

1240
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: to be coming to understand that, hang on, this is

1241
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,720
Speaker 1: my business. I'm in the business of being a cricketer.

1242
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: That's how I make my money. And therefore I've got

1243
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 1: to extend my career if I can. I've got to

1244
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 1: start planning for my post you know, post playing for

1245
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 1: Australia career. What point did you start realizing this is

1246
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:20,799
Speaker 1: a bloody business and this is really good for me

1247
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: and good for my family.

1248
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: You know what, I don't think I ever saw it

1249
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: as a business, although I mean at the end of

1250
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 2: my career, I was making good money from the game, yep.

1251
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 2: And it wasn't always that way. So as a seventeen

1252
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: year old, my first full season of Sheffield child cricket

1253
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: for Tasmania was ten Sheffield Chield games and I think

1254
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 2: we played ten one days then as well, because I

1255
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: used to play a one day on the back of

1256
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: each Shield game. Twenty four thousand dollars. That was the

1257
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,359
Speaker 2: food for the whole light. That was the whole year.

1258
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:51,399
Speaker 2: That's my shit, that's my full contract. So the first

1259
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 2: few years I wasn't making a lot of money. At

1260
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: the end, Yes, IPRs come along and create Australia, TV

1261
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 2: rights goes up and revenue sharing comes in and that

1262
00:53:58,520 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, so where all the players are my

1263
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 2: good money at the end. But I never looked at

1264
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: it as a business at all. It was I had

1265
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,399
Speaker 2: a job to do. I was a cricketer. I wanted

1266
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: to I wanted to bat number three. I wanted to

1267
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 2: make runs. I wanted to captain Australia. I wanted to

1268
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 2: win games. I had other people that could look after that.

1269
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously there was business stuff attached to it.

1270
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: I had great sponsors and great corporate support and whatever

1271
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,720
Speaker 2: else was was going on. My wife and I started

1272
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 2: our own charity foundations well before the playing days were over,

1273
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 2: so that took up a bit of time. But never, never,

1274
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 2: ever did I look at as the games as a

1275
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 2: business for me, or me as a businessman within the game.

1276
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: So you never really thought to yourself, I've got to

1277
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: keep myself properly prepared. I've got to stop drinking because

1278
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: I want you want all my joints to be good.

1279
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: Or I've got to train hard or in the gym,

1280
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: or you know, whatever the case would be, in order

1281
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: to keep my playing years lengthened, in order that I

1282
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: can continue earn money.

1283
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 2: Just to keep playing. And what about well I wanted

1284
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: to get for So, for instance, if you look at

1285
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: that way, if there was a well, if I was

1286
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,360
Speaker 2: coming towards the end in twenty eleven and there was

1287
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 2: a test a National Series in twenty thirteen, it was

1288
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: about me being the best cricket I could to get

1289
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: to there in two thousand and thirty, and not about

1290
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 2: making more money through those two years before I got there.

1291
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 2: It was only ever about about the game.

1292
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 1: So when Ricky Poontter become a businessman. At what point,

1293
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 1: because you know you're doing a whole lot of TV.

1294
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 2: You do.

1295
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: You got your wine business, which we're talking about the moment,

1296
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: you got your charity which you're talking about as well,

1297
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 1: and it's just got You've got lots of investments because

1298
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: you know, at some stage you get to a point

1299
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 1: you might be thirty six, thirty seven, you think, well,

1300
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 1: how my cricket's over. How can I take what I've

1301
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: done in the reputation I'm built? And you know I

1302
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: don't want to retire at thirty late, retire from life.

1303
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: I've got a kid's mortgage, life, schooling, all that sort

1304
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 1: of stuff. At what point did you think about that?

1305
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 2: Did you have? It's a good story the last season

1306
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 2: that I played by the time that I.

1307
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: Actually first class cricket were talking about.

1308
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So the way it worked out my last

1309
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 2: my last Sheffield Shield game with Tasmania, we won the

1310
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 2: Sheffield Shield and we had a good young group of

1311
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 2: players and that's the first title I'd ever won for Taszy.

1312
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: Right, So when was it? What age were you around about?

1313
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: I was about thirty eight, twenty and thirteen somewhere there

1314
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 2: when I retired and I had all these great plans

1315
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 2: of playing one more year of Sheffield Shield, which meant

1316
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 2: that I'd have to get all the way through the winter,

1317
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: do all the training and whatever else and be ready

1318
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: to go one more year. And then Channel ten came along,

1319
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 2: BBL came along, you know, and decided that I'd played

1320
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 2: enough and that I was going to transition into the

1321
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,399
Speaker 2: into the commentary box. But halfway through that first year off,

1322
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 2: like I was craving a year off playing. I traveled

1323
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:43,760
Speaker 2: for you know, twenty twenty years, NonStop internationally for twenty years,

1324
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: so and cricket was you know, I couldn't play the

1325
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 2: game the way that I used to be able to

1326
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: play the game, so that wasn't as enjoyable anymore. So

1327
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 2: I was craving this twelve months at home, two little kids,

1328
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 2: take them to school, play some golf in the afternoon,

1329
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,440
Speaker 2: you know. But three or four months in, I'm sitting

1330
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 2: at home on the couch, just having just taking the

1331
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,879
Speaker 2: kids to school and having a coffee, and I'm sitting

1332
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 2: back thinking what you will. I'm just so used to

1333
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 2: having everything set out for me, and like when you're

1334
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 2: an international cricket or when you're when you're an athlete.

1335
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,360
Speaker 2: The other side that I couldn't replace was the competition

1336
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 2: side of life. So in the rush, well every day

1337
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 2: you're competing, right, so you're either in the gym, you're

1338
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 2: in the nets facing followers, or you're playing a game,

1339
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: or you're looking after you die, of all these things

1340
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: where you're paying more attention to being competitive. And then

1341
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 2: the minute that you retire, all that stops. So all

1342
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 2: that competitive edge and juices that you've always had is

1343
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 2: not there and you can't replace it. And then so

1344
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: that's where a bit of commentary took me closer back

1345
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 2: to the game again, which I've always said, I think

1346
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: my happy place is in a cricket dressing room. That's

1347
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 2: where just where I was supposed to be. And then

1348
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: with the coaching side of it, that brings some of

1349
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: that competition back into my life as well, because I'm

1350
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 2: coaching against other guys that I played against. I'm coaching

1351
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:00,400
Speaker 2: big franchises that hopefully win IPL tournaments and things like that,

1352
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: so some competition comes back. But that the one thing

1353
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: I say to everyone now is far even as far

1354
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: as business is, you're going to make sure you have

1355
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: that ready for you when you retire. You need to

1356
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: be able to.

1357
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: Walk and started up early. You mean, yep, yep.

1358
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: If not have it in the pipeline and ready to go,

1359
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: you don't. You don't want to take too long in between.

1360
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 1: You want the gap.

1361
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 2: Yep.

1362
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: So would it be fair to say then at some

1363
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: stage in your life you had to re identify well

1364
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: maybe sort of just change up who Ricky Pointing is,

1365
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: because Ricky Pointing was the great competitor cricketer athlete, and

1366
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: we tended to find ourselves by what we do for

1367
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: a long perige, especially when you're doing it from you know,

1368
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: age of eighteen to age of thirty or twenty odd

1369
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: years at the highest level. Was it a conscious decision like, yeah,

1370
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 1: I can't identify where they do it anymore. I'm now

1371
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 1: going to become Ricky Pointing, the former cricketer but now

1372
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: a commentator and blah blah blah.

1373
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: I think it just happened. I think it happens organically.

1374
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 2: I think your life just goes in different directions like

1375
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: that once you're finished playing. I mean, the cricket's are

1376
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,080
Speaker 2: a really strange game as well, in the fact that

1377
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 2: or everyone being from different states, so that group of

1378
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 2: players a lot of those group of players finished at

1379
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 2: the same time, and then you just do you drift off.

1380
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 2: You're back in your own state, you're back with your

1381
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:13,440
Speaker 2: own family. You don't catch up very much. It's it's

1382
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 2: really no, it's actually quite bizarre with the way that

1383
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: works out. We're all busy, right, we've all got our

1384
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 2: own lives. You don't look up and say hey mane, yeah,

1385
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: but face to face catching up and having dinner or whatever,

1386
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 2: like it might happen a couple of times a year

1387
00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: when you happen to be in each other's state. And

1388
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: luckily now I'm working with a lot of those guys.

1389
00:59:28,600 --> 00:59:31,120
Speaker 2: I'm working with j L and Lang and Bluey and

1390
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: these guys that have played a lot of cricket with

1391
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: so I can see them there. But otherwise you wouldn't

1392
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: see them too much at all. But I think there's

1393
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: just organic change there. Your life just leads you in

1394
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: different directions, right like with never in my wildest dreams

1395
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 2: that I think I'll be sitting here or anywhere talking

1396
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,600
Speaker 2: about wine business. Yeah, the wine business. Like growing up

1397
00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 2: in my up my upbringing, my Create club, even the

1398
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 2: guys in my creat club. Now, I think this is

1399
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 2: a load of shit. So how can that little rat

1400
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 2: bag be walking around telling people what a great peano

1401
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:04,960
Speaker 2: Nowari has got from Tasmania, because that's just not how

1402
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 2: I was brought up. But since I've been with Rihanna

1403
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: and we've been able to travel and get around. But

1404
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:11,320
Speaker 2: my wife, Yea, have been able to travel and get

1405
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: around different parts of the world. She's sort of really

1406
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 2: introduced me to wine and we have had a lot

1407
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: of fun drinking it over the years. And since I've retired,

1408
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 2: I've been able to drink a little bit more than

1409
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: I tip when I was playing. And here we are,

1410
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 2: you know, five years on with our with our own

1411
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 2: brand that we've got thirteen wins in the range now

1412
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 2: and telling a story about where I'm from and up

1413
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 2: bringing and our love and passion for wine, and our

1414
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 2: love and passion to have a business that we can

1415
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 2: work on together.

1416
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 1: How cool is to be able to do a business

1417
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:42,040
Speaker 1: with you, missus after all these years. She's obviously been

1418
01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 1: there supporting you in your career and now you're doing

1419
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: a business together.

1420
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 2: Well one hundred percent, and that I'm glad you brought

1421
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 2: that up about supporting because she's a qualified solicitor. My

1422
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 2: wife she did a double degree Law of Arts degree

1423
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 2: qualified for that and then hasn't worked a day in life.

1424
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 2: So when we met, she's still two years to go

1425
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: on a degree. So I moved down to Wollongong actually

1426
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 2: where she was studying, and we got through that, and

1427
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: then it became pretty evident that if we were going

1428
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 2: to if we were going to work and family life

1429
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: was going to work, that we couldn't have both of

1430
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 2: us doing what we wanted wanted to do. So and

1431
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,120
Speaker 2: I still had ten or twelve years of playing career

1432
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: ahead of me. So she decided to give up what

1433
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,320
Speaker 2: she wanted to do to be with me, support me,

1434
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: and then obviously support our family, and then to have

1435
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 2: a business together that we can work. And I've talked

1436
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: about the foundation and we've had we've had our foundation

1437
01:01:29,240 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 2: for sixteen years. We've we've raised I think thirteen to

1438
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,840
Speaker 2: fourteen million dollars for the Samon Foundation Ponting foundations. It

1439
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: raises funds for children and families going through childhood cancer.

1440
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 2: So we've done that together and been I had to

1441
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:44,040
Speaker 2: work on that, which takes a lot of time and

1442
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: something we're really proud on, something really passionate about, but

1443
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 2: then this comes along, and once again, this is very

1444
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,960
Speaker 2: much just a passion project for us, and we want

1445
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: to be great at what we do. We want to

1446
01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 2: have a great little business, but also we want to

1447
01:01:57,560 --> 01:01:59,200
Speaker 2: have a lot of a lot of fun along the

1448
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,800
Speaker 2: way with it, watch, which is what we've been able

1449
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 2: to do over the last five years.

1450
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: So we've got so it's is a pinot. So just

1451
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: take me through because like I have some involvement in

1452
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 1: wine businesses and whiskey businesses. I own some of those things.

1453
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 1: And most people think I've Alway's probably got somebody to

1454
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: produce for him and put a label on it and

1455
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: call it ponding something rather than the way we go.

1456
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: But once you start getting involved and invest in one

1457
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,520
Speaker 1: of these things, it's actually a lot more detail than that,

1458
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 1: and it's not a matter of just taking the cork

1459
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: off and having a drink, which is why I wish

1460
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 1: I wish it was not. You know, right down to

1461
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: things like you know where I get the bottles from,

1462
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: where I get the labels from, the label looks like

1463
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: what the name of the business is. You know where

1464
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: I get my juice from, how I produce a juice,

1465
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: So how many bottles I've got to do. I don't

1466
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: want to have too many. I want to sell as

1467
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:48,919
Speaker 1: many as I can. Just take me through a little

1468
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,440
Speaker 1: bit of the process of you two, the two of you,

1469
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:54,480
Speaker 1: you and around it deciding that you want to set

1470
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:56,120
Speaker 1: up a wine business because you just don't wake a moment.

1471
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: Let's set up wine business. There's a lot more research

1472
01:02:58,200 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 1: goes into it.

1473
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 2: My mother business was sitting across there at the moment.

1474
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: He was the one that he was the one that

1475
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:05,920
Speaker 2: rang me, rang me at home one morning, said what

1476
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,480
Speaker 2: do you think about starting your own wine label? And

1477
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: I said, mate, I've not even my wadest dreams ever

1478
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: thought about that. And I said, but just give me

1479
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 2: one minute. I'll go and have a chat with Runna

1480
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: and see what she thinks. And it was literally within

1481
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: one minute. I rang back and said, Yep, we're keen

1482
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: to do it. We want to do it, but we're

1483
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 2: going to do it properly. We're going to do it

1484
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 2: in a premium way. We're going to find the best

1485
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,840
Speaker 2: wine maker. Then we can find premium wines, Premium everything

1486
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,440
Speaker 2: everything about it. What we do got to be premium labeling, bottling,

1487
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 2: as you said, all that stuff. We're going to make

1488
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 2: sure that it's that it's premium and not just sitting

1489
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: in the in the fridges an everyday wine. So that

1490
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 2: was our vision at the start, and our wine maker

1491
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 2: was made pretty clear about that. But I'm glad that

1492
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: you actually brought up we did there as well. About

1493
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: sticking your label your name on someone else's stuff. That's

1494
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 2: the one thing everyone assumes that, well, it's happened with

1495
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: a lot with sort of celebrity brands, and hasn't it

1496
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 2: where it's it's not been there business. They're happy to

1497
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: be an ambassador whatever, sit back and take whatever comes

1498
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 2: to get ten percent of Yeah, that's not that's not

1499
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 2: us here.

1500
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: So you're producing your own wine.

1501
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: And we're the major were and I are the major

1502
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 2: shareholders in the whole business, right, so this is ours

1503
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 2: and but that's what we've struggled with the most is

1504
01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:18,880
Speaker 2: people understanding the authenticity of our involvement in this business.

1505
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:20,480
Speaker 1: It wouldn't be expect any of the less from after

1506
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: talking today, because I wouldn't imagine you had done that,

1507
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: just put your name on top of someone else's business.

1508
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: It's not a white label brain. You're not white labeling

1509
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 1: or someone's on white labeling there they're wines.

1510
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 2: Is your name no, to the point that the wine

1511
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 2: you're holding in your hand there, that's a Tasmane and

1512
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: Pino Noa. So telling about talking about authenticity and storytelling.

1513
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,080
Speaker 2: Then me being from Tasmania, I had to have Tasmanium

1514
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: wines in the range to make it authentic, right. So

1515
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 2: so we've got four. We've got two pino NOAs, a

1516
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 2: Chardona and a Pinot Gree out of Tasmania, which helps

1517
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: me tie the whole story together about upbringing where I'm from,

1518
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: one of the one of the one that wine there.

1519
01:04:57,400 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: So that's called the Mowbray boy.

1520
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: That's what is a mobraid.

1521
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: Well, my local cricket club was the Mobra Cricket Club

1522
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: and the area and the suburb that I was brought

1523
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 2: up in Launceston was around that Mobrad region. So if

1524
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm guarantee you now, if you went down to Tazzy,

1525
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,560
Speaker 2: you went anywhere to the north of the state and

1526
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 2: you said, give me a couple of words about Ricky Ponting,

1527
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 2: that would say, oh, he's a mobraid way, That's all

1528
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 2: that'd say to you. And that's why we So there

1529
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 2: once again there's some authenticity and storytelling.

1530
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,760
Speaker 1: Grapes where the grapes coming from.

1531
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: Different parts of so we hand select really where we

1532
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: want to get our grapes from. So with Ben Riggs,

1533
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 2: our winemaker in South Australia, with his knowledge of the

1534
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 2: South Australia MacLaren Vale, Bross at Langholm Creek areas like that,

1535
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: we leave it up to him to pretty much hand

1536
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 2: select there. And and tas Maine has been a bit

1537
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 2: more difficult through the years, the fact that it's actually

1538
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: hard to get enough volume down there that that what

1539
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 2: we need. So you know, three or four years in

1540
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: Arrow while was down there basically a door knocking at

1541
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 2: different vineyards and different to try and get enough enough

1542
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 2: stock to get us done that for that particular vintage.

1543
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 2: So yeah, so we don't we don't own our own

1544
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,520
Speaker 2: vineyards such that that's something that we do.

1545
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 1: You take other people's grapes, which is pretty all. That's

1546
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 1: that's what most especially for a startup was Penfolds too.

1547
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: By the way, things Penfolds buy a lot of Tasmanian stuff. Yeah,

1548
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,960
Speaker 1: they're one hundred percent. And by the way, how have

1549
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: you guys handled the better draft down out of the

1550
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: last Tasmania it has been pretty dry anyway, a drought,

1551
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: but it has been pretty dry for the last couple

1552
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: of years. Has it affected your so, I know.

1553
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 2: We've been we've been good. We've been good. I mean

1554
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:30,160
Speaker 2: there and there's been different things that have happened in

1555
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 2: South Australia, probably more so I remember there. There's been

1556
01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 2: things like that that can be and that's one of

1557
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 2: the other reasons that we didn't launch into buying a

1558
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 2: vineyard straight up as a young as a young business.

1559
01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 2: Right you launch into buying your own vinyard, You've got

1560
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,960
Speaker 2: full running costs that associated with that, you have a

1561
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: couple of bad years in a row.

1562
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 1: And you're stuffed.

1563
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:49,320
Speaker 2: You could be stuffed, ye, So.

1564
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:51,560
Speaker 1: We sort of gently gently at the start.

1565
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: We're growing really really well. We're really proud of what.

1566
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: We're being sold.

1567
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: Well. Dan Dan Murphy's has just picked up all the

1568
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 2: red wines for this summer. They'll hopefully pick up the

1569
01:07:01,600 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: white wines for next summer. Pontingwines dot Com is probably

1570
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,760
Speaker 2: the easiest way to see selling online as well. It's

1571
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 2: on your on your doorstep in a couple of days.

1572
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:13,320
Speaker 1: And we were pitching your prices like for example, this pino,

1573
01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 1: this is a twenty twenty four pino. This is the

1574
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: Mobray boy, that's you we're pitching.

1575
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: That's about forty four is about forty four. That's about

1576
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: forty four dollars for a higher quality premium Tasmanian pino noir,

1577
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 2: which is the other thing that we wanted to do.

1578
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,720
Speaker 2: And the message to our wine maker straight away was

1579
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 2: that let's let's over deliver what's in the bottle and

1580
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 2: let's stay at the bottom range of the premium wine range. Now,

1581
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 2: premium wine from Tasmania and selling it cheap is not

1582
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 2: easy because of the cost to go with making wine

1583
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 2: your Tasmania are extreme compared to everywhere else. So even

1584
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,120
Speaker 2: a wine like that, So which one's out, that's the

1585
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: McLaren vale Charraz you know that'll be in store for

1586
01:07:53,720 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 2: twenty five twenty six dollars and so that's it. Once again,

1587
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 2: very well, we'll have a look on the lay its one.

1588
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 2: It's one. Lots of different awards that wine as well.

1589
01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: So I was going to ask you about that because

1590
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: leek is pretty important in the in the liquor industry, wine, whiskey,

1591
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: whatever gym, especially down in Tasmania. But awards are important,

1592
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 1: and you being the style of personality and character that

1593
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: you are, you guys have been entering yourself into a

1594
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: competitions and trying to win awards and lead you every

1595
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,760
Speaker 1: every whiskey business. But I've just opened it up.

1596
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 2: But every competition that wine there the Barossa Cherez, the

1597
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: one two seven chiras six or seven weeks ago, one

1598
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:37,880
Speaker 2: Australia's Best Charas. Oh wow, International Wine Show in London. Wow.

1599
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: And we're talking hundreds and hundreds of shiras been sent

1600
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: to that to that one show blind tasting. As you know,

1601
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 2: with all the stuff that you've done, this little five

1602
01:08:47,560 --> 01:08:51,120
Speaker 2: year old business took out Australia's Best Charads. But then

1603
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: then you talk about awards. You can't really cash in

1604
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: on that award very much because that's the that's sort

1605
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,040
Speaker 2: of at the end of the vintage for that wine.

1606
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: You can't really take all the bottles back and stick

1607
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,720
Speaker 2: stick it's on it and tell everybody that this.

1608
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 1: Because you might make three thousand bottles and then once

1609
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: it's old, that's the end of that award. Because she

1610
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: is great.

1611
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,720
Speaker 2: So it actually makes it hard to capitalize. So having

1612
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 2: something like this where we can talk about on social media.

1613
01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:16,320
Speaker 1: That's right, because I love to talk about awards because

1614
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: I think it's important and I think very rare people

1615
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 1: get an opportunity to actually boast of guide about what

1616
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:25,400
Speaker 1: the fuck they've created.

1617
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:28,120
Speaker 2: But it gives people, it gives the consumer reason to want.

1618
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 1: To try you totally, I might as well try it.

1619
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 1: They've got to try it, like it must be good, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1620
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: it must be well if it's one, especially at an

1621
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: international show, like the best charas you so you're convening

1622
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:41,559
Speaker 1: against the charazzas of all the Australian chazzes at this

1623
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 1: London international wine show.

1624
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: So it was both. So it was the best Barossa cheres.

1625
01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 2: You can imagine how many charazes come out of Barrossa.

1626
01:09:48,479 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: It was the best Barrossa and the best Australian curres. Well.

1627
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:55,000
Speaker 1: So like now you already given us the price and

1628
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,600
Speaker 1: you can as you see, but you can go to

1629
01:09:56,720 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 1: Ponting Wine pointing winestot com dot com, dotty you and

1630
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: we might be able to get them. Some of these

1631
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: are Dan Murphy's. When you're running, you and your missus

1632
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:09,599
Speaker 1: and Ben are running this business, how do you approach

1633
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: how do you approach your team. I mean, is it

1634
01:10:13,439 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: Ricky ponding like the Captain of Australia. We're going to

1635
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 1: have our values. I mean, how did you approach.

1636
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: Approach right in the outset it was yeah, yeah, right

1637
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,560
Speaker 2: absolutely we went like David and myself and Rihanna. I

1638
01:10:24,600 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 2: went over and sat down with Ben Riggs. I why

1639
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 2: make a McLaren var And we sat down for a

1640
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,360
Speaker 2: couple of days and talked everything through. Is the way

1641
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 2: that it was that I wanted things to be. And

1642
01:10:34,479 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's can be hard for me at

1643
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:38,360
Speaker 2: times as well to be as hands on as I

1644
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:41,080
Speaker 2: probably need to be or would like to be with it.

1645
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 2: When I'm away for six months at a time I

1646
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 2: meet in here, I'm in a different time zones. There's

1647
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 2: lots of deadlines that are happening with bottling and things

1648
01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,080
Speaker 2: like that. It's hard for me to be on top

1649
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 2: of one hundred percent of the business side of things.

1650
01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 2: And in fact, David looks after all the pretty much

1651
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:57,640
Speaker 2: all the business side of things, that the ins and

1652
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 2: outs and the bottom lines and things like that. But

1653
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 2: so that's the hardest part of it. But and life

1654
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 2: does start to sort of slow down a little bit

1655
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:07,400
Speaker 2: the next couple of years. Then that's when I'll have

1656
01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: more of an opportunity around and I to be able

1657
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:12,560
Speaker 2: to probably be more I won't say invested is not

1658
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 2: the right word, but more involved probably in the day

1659
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: to day running of the business.

1660
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: It seems to me like a cricketers at your level,

1661
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 1: cricketer's partner wife at a half, particularly when this kids evolved,

1662
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: is like quite a sort of a I don't want

1663
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: to get a corny word, but like a blessed relationship

1664
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 1: if it works. Because you said you're waite six months

1665
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:38,719
Speaker 1: of a year, I mean the travel.

1666
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:39,760
Speaker 2: They've been able to travel a lot as well.

1667
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, they travel and I speak to they want to

1668
01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,360
Speaker 1: be the same thing and like it's we're mate, so

1669
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: I get to talk to fair bit. But like having

1670
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: your family traveled to see you got a way for

1671
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: school holidays, you know to do it or end or

1672
01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:54,880
Speaker 1: you were to come back during school holidays. If you

1673
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: can mate, if you can get here, there's a special

1674
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:06,479
Speaker 1: sort of relationship there. It's trust, understanding, commitment from both parties.

1675
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:11,000
Speaker 1: Probably the understanding peace, like understanding what it takes for

1676
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,080
Speaker 1: you to be the coach of an IPL side, which

1677
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: is you know you're in India time zone differences. But

1678
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,000
Speaker 1: also you didn't read me. It's not like it didn't

1679
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: really look I couldn't read you because something was going

1680
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: on and I had to do whatever. And there's there's

1681
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: media you have to tend you have to attend to

1682
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 1: the media in those places too. How do you How

1683
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,679
Speaker 1: does that all be someone who has been as successful

1684
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:36,680
Speaker 1: made in marriage is me? I know you do it.

1685
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,280
Speaker 2: So I mentioned back a few minutes ago about when

1686
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: Randa and I first got together and her being qualified lawyers.

1687
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:45,679
Speaker 1: And giving up her career, giving up her career.

1688
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 2: But the other thing I said to her at the time,

1689
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 2: which is probably the main reason that she gave up

1690
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 2: her career when she did, was I'd been on my

1691
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: first share of Australian tours at that stage anyway, and

1692
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 2: I was the young bloke on these tours. And what

1693
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: became really evident to me, it was exactly the three

1694
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 2: week mark on every tour that I went on, is

1695
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 2: when the environment around a team started to change. Everyone

1696
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:08,639
Speaker 2: started getting a bit narkier. You know, the wind geometer,

1697
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 2: as we used to call it, the wind geometer, it

1698
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,679
Speaker 2: would just start going up. Every little thing that happened

1699
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: was blown like mate, and it was because because it

1700
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 2: was that separation was about being away from home, being

1701
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,880
Speaker 2: away from your family, being away from your kids. It

1702
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 2: was that exact time. So I sit around, I said, look,

1703
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,640
Speaker 2: I've seen this. If we're going to make if we're

1704
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,479
Speaker 2: going to make us work the longest week and have

1705
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 2: a part is three weeks at a time.

1706
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: In which case she's going to come over to you

1707
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: or whatever the case.

1708
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:34,320
Speaker 2: For twenty five years, there's been one occasion where we've

1709
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 2: been separated for longer than three years. That's three weeks

1710
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:37,639
Speaker 2: at a time.

1711
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:38,879
Speaker 1: So set up a structure.

1712
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,320
Speaker 2: It had to to make it, to make it work,

1713
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: because I've just seen too many failings and things happen

1714
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:47,920
Speaker 2: on tours that we felt the weekly control right. So

1715
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 2: even now with the IPL gig, I'm normally there for

1716
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 2: about ten weeks. Works well around the Easter holidays. The

1717
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: kids normally come over for three three and a half

1718
01:13:57,439 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 2: weeks smack bang in the IPL So that works really well.

1719
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 2: So we've we've managed it. We've done a great job.

1720
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 1: Off involve, but that that that that requires commitment and effort.

1721
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: That's why I said earlier on commitment it's not it's

1722
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 1: not her compromising, it's you committing her committing to a process.

1723
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:17,559
Speaker 1: It's about a process.

1724
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then your kids get to a certain age

1725
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 2: as well where they actually want to they want to

1726
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:22,640
Speaker 2: be there, they want to be around the teams, they

1727
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 2: want to they want to win part of it all.

1728
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, so that's been a really cool thing about

1729
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:28,400
Speaker 2: So I've got a seventeen year old girl and a

1730
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: fourteen year old girl eleven year old boy, and as

1731
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 2: much as round and I want to stay together through

1732
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:36,200
Speaker 2: that period that the kids are the ones that are

1733
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:37,960
Speaker 2: going to her saying when are we going to India?

1734
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:39,519
Speaker 2: I can't wait to go to India again, and can't

1735
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,320
Speaker 2: wait to go and hang out with the with the

1736
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:43,439
Speaker 2: around that team again. So it's it's a it's a

1737
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: good environment to have.

1738
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, But yeah, to be successful though successful anyway, in

1739
01:14:47,400 --> 01:14:50,520
Speaker 1: any in anything, you have to meet lots of compromises

1740
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: as sacrifices. Do you have a sort of look back

1741
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: and say, man, I missed that bloody netball game for

1742
01:14:55,560 --> 01:15:01,160
Speaker 1: my daughter, or miss that or I miss my Do

1743
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 1: you ever ever sort of reflect on those things?

1744
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean yes, but no, it's probably just been

1745
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 2: a bit, such a big part of my life to

1746
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 2: understand that those things, sacrifice and things are they're going

1747
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 2: to They're going to be there somewhere. I mean I

1748
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 2: haven't thankfully, I haven't missed too many. Next year will

1749
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 2: be a big year for us family wise. With my

1750
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: daughter going into year twelve, we won't travel as much.

1751
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:26,720
Speaker 2: Next year a big year for her. I want to

1752
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 2: make sure that I'm around as much as I can

1753
01:15:28,680 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 2: to help her through that that year as well. So yeah,

1754
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: it's just I think to be an international sportsman that

1755
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 2: you have to make a lot more sacrifices than most

1756
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 2: people probably imagine. I mean, I moved away from home

1757
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:46,880
Speaker 2: at the age of twenty six, moved to Sydney first

1758
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 2: where I met Rana, and then we've been in Melbourne

1759
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:54,639
Speaker 2: for twelve years. And you know, I've not spent large

1760
01:15:54,680 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: chunks of time with my immediately immediate family at all

1761
01:15:57,920 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: for twenty five years.

1762
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,559
Speaker 1: Inter as your brother, this is all and.

1763
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I haven't. But that then, but

1764
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: that's where that's just direct the direction that my life's

1765
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 2: taken me. You know. It's like it's not like I

1766
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,680
Speaker 2: haven't literally wanted to be around, but when you're on

1767
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:16,040
Speaker 2: the road as much as you are, and then you've

1768
01:16:16,040 --> 01:16:18,720
Speaker 2: got your own family and commitment. It's really hard to

1769
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,719
Speaker 2: get those big chunks with your family. But that's international sport.

1770
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:24,920
Speaker 2: You know. The thing people probably don't understand about cricket

1771
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: as well. When you're playing, it's eleven months of the year.

1772
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 2: Your job is eleven months of the year. You get

1773
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 2: you get a guarantee six week break every year, but

1774
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,120
Speaker 2: you can't have six weeks off because you need to

1775
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 2: be training and working to get right for the next tournament.

1776
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 2: And even when and so seven or eight months of

1777
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 2: those year, of those months are probably overseas. So even

1778
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: when you're but even when you're in Australia, and David

1779
01:16:48,240 --> 01:16:49,439
Speaker 2: might have spoken you about this one it was. But

1780
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,559
Speaker 2: even when you're in Australia, your season starts mid November.

1781
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 2: If you live in Sydney, you only play one Test

1782
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:58,680
Speaker 2: and one one day in your home state for that

1783
01:16:58,760 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: whole summer, so you've only got a week in your

1784
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:04,240
Speaker 2: own home even during an Australian summer. So you just

1785
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 2: it's it's incredible what you actually what you actually do

1786
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:08,360
Speaker 2: give up and sacrifice.

1787
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: So I'm going to get do you live in hotels

1788
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: when you go, when you spend time to season, they

1789
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:15,519
Speaker 1: don't have houses or anything well looked after.

1790
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,679
Speaker 2: I mean those groups that we're talking about, we've probably

1791
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 2: we've got probably one hundred and twenty people in our

1792
01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:21,720
Speaker 2: around our franchise, but only one time.

1793
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 1: So it's you talk meet the IPL one hundred and

1794
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:25,519
Speaker 1: twenty five people.

1795
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: Abou one hundred and twenty Shit, that's huge, that's huge. Yeah,

1796
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:30,720
Speaker 2: I mean the expended you think about one hundred and

1797
01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:32,559
Speaker 2: twenty hotel rooms and one hundred and twenty flights every

1798
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 2: other day, that adds up pretty quickly.

1799
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then it just gives a quick insight when

1800
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time in India working out

1801
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 1: a business there for many years, and big stuff, the

1802
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 1: massive is an amazing place, like colorful, hectic, like hectics,

1803
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:49,920
Speaker 1: not even it doesn't even describe the joint. How do

1804
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: you feel when you're how do you settle down into it?

1805
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,360
Speaker 1: I used to find it hard to settle down when

1806
01:17:53,400 --> 01:17:55,479
Speaker 1: you just have to go over there for work, and then

1807
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,280
Speaker 1: after a short period of time, I'd have to get

1808
01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 1: the hell out of there because my brain was going mental.

1809
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:02,559
Speaker 1: And then but then a good way to get back.

1810
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,679
Speaker 1: It's sort of like a drug. How did you find

1811
01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 1: when you first say go in India? Like, not as

1812
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:08,719
Speaker 1: a player, but as a as a coach.

1813
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:11,479
Speaker 2: Well well as a player was harder. Yeah, as a

1814
01:18:11,479 --> 01:18:13,920
Speaker 2: young bloke experiencing some of the things that you were

1815
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 2: talking about there when you don't know what's waiting for

1816
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: around the corner.

1817
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: It's mental.

1818
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:19,679
Speaker 2: It's hard, like everything is. Everything about India is foreign

1819
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: to what we know here.

1820
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:26,519
Speaker 1: All on steroids, the whole thing. Everything, cars, traffic, airports, scene, smells, Yeah,

1821
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: all your senses different.

1822
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,160
Speaker 2: And then you've got to play cricket. Yeah, so you've

1823
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: got that going on. You've got a pitch that you've

1824
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:34,759
Speaker 2: never seen before that's turning this far. You've got people

1825
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,720
Speaker 2: running from everywhere to get close to you, and the

1826
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,240
Speaker 2: audience is easy, temperature, everything, everything's different. So the playing

1827
01:18:41,320 --> 01:18:43,800
Speaker 2: days was at the start was hard. Then you're start

1828
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:45,439
Speaker 2: getting used to You're start getting used to the culture.

1829
01:18:45,640 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 2: You know where you can go and what you can

1830
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,519
Speaker 2: do and what you can't do. And as a coach,

1831
01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 2: I mean I talked earlier about missing the competition side

1832
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 2: of things, mate, I love it. As a coach. I've

1833
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 2: got twenty five players with me the whole time. I've

1834
01:18:57,960 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: got ten or twelve staff around the gre My job

1835
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 2: is to bring those guys as close as we're going

1836
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,400
Speaker 2: to get together, as I said, and win games. But

1837
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,400
Speaker 2: the enormity of the tournament is something that people, I'm

1838
01:19:09,479 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 2: sure everyone knows thinks so know how big the tournament is.

1839
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 2: But any any young ossie player that I've ever had

1840
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,960
Speaker 2: over at the IPL, as soon as they get there

1841
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 2: a couple of games in aliway sit down with them

1842
01:19:20,680 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: say what do you think, what's this like? And they

1843
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,720
Speaker 2: describe it as being an AFL Grand Final every day. Yeah, yeah,

1844
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: every game is. Every game is sold out. You can't

1845
01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,400
Speaker 2: get in. People are yelling and screaming. They're turning up

1846
01:19:33,400 --> 01:19:35,360
Speaker 2: to see Doni, they're turning up to see Coli. They're

1847
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:38,040
Speaker 2: channing the whole it is. It is like you said,

1848
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:40,680
Speaker 2: the country being on steroids. It's about It's like the

1849
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 2: BBL that we have here and that we love and

1850
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:45,640
Speaker 2: we get decent. It's like that's that on steroids with

1851
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: all the best players in the world there for eight weeks.

1852
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 2: So it's pretty cool.

1853
01:19:49,400 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't stop. India doesn't stop. Twenty four hours a day,

1854
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 1: especially if there's cricket on. Yeah, it's like it's not

1855
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:02,920
Speaker 1: just a national sport there. Identity. In two thousand and seven,

1856
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: Mike good mate Jays Packer, who's the whole family's mad

1857
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: Kreager fans, says, you know put on a.

1858
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 2: And his boat.

1859
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:15,360
Speaker 1: You know about this, I'm amazing. For a long time

1860
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: he was my business partner. So the two thousand and

1861
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,599
Speaker 1: seven celebration on the Packer boat.

1862
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 2: How much did I tell you? As much as you.

1863
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:26,120
Speaker 1: Want to go for it? That was roy all the cameras,

1864
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 1: which it was pretty cool.

1865
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 2: It was actually our motivation to win that day because

1866
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,080
Speaker 2: we knew that James was hovering around somewhere in the

1867
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,120
Speaker 2: area and he had he had the big the big

1868
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,920
Speaker 2: yacht there and we talked about it. It was like, boys,

1869
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: if we win, we're probably going to be out on

1870
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: this thing the next day.

1871
01:20:41,439 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1872
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 2: Look it was and everyone was on on loll with

1873
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,719
Speaker 2: the createst rays staff with there obvious, all the pliers

1874
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:47,400
Speaker 2: and families that were there were out in the boat.

1875
01:20:47,439 --> 01:20:49,639
Speaker 1: Most people don't realize it's like one hundred plus meters long.

1876
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 1: It's like the less of footy field.

1877
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 2: Serious craft. Yeah, yeah, but some of our boys had

1878
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 2: a few drinks the night before, obviously celebrating. I had

1879
01:20:56,240 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 2: a few drinks that day before we got on the boat,

1880
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:59,160
Speaker 2: and they thought it would be a good idea to

1881
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 2: get out on the jet ski. I've been on this,

1882
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,080
Speaker 2: not these ones anymore, because they write them off.

1883
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:05,840
Speaker 1: They wrote them off.

1884
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 2: They actually crashed into each other at pretty much full speed.

1885
01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,040
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Brad Holg and Shane Watson had a

1886
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 2: collision on the jet We're all sitting up watching them

1887
01:21:13,800 --> 01:21:15,719
Speaker 2: and you could just see that something was going to happen.

1888
01:21:15,880 --> 01:21:21,000
Speaker 2: Sure enough they clipped each other on these jet skis and.

1889
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,720
Speaker 1: Rammag Yeah not to them.

1890
01:21:21,960 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 2: They just got They just got flown through the air

1891
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 2: and whatever else. But the jet skis were in a

1892
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:31,840
Speaker 2: slightly they're not usable. We got they got them back,

1893
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 2: They got them back onto the mothership. But what a

1894
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: day was you know, they're they got, They're there. Great

1895
01:21:37,360 --> 01:21:39,160
Speaker 2: memories you have from the game, being able to celebrate

1896
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 2: like that together as a group totally and because once

1897
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 2: again cricket's never been very good at that. Well can

1898
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 2: you remember a celebration anywhere after a World Cup? But

1899
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,559
Speaker 2: we had. We had a celebration in ninety nine when

1900
01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: we won the World Cup. We came back here, had

1901
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:56,639
Speaker 2: a parade in Sydney and a parade in Melbourne. Talking

1902
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:58,839
Speaker 2: Aaron Fins the other day, they haven't had a celebration

1903
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,600
Speaker 2: since two thousand and they haven't had a reunion. Like

1904
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:03,559
Speaker 2: cricket just doesn't do it, just doesn't do it well.

1905
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,360
Speaker 2: It never has never celebrated those moments. Is the conservatism,

1906
01:22:06,520 --> 01:22:08,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, probably not wanting to

1907
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:12,600
Speaker 2: spend the money cricket Australia. But yeah, so for us

1908
01:22:12,640 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 2: to be able to do that then for that day,

1909
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:16,800
Speaker 2: and I think we had half the next day as

1910
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 2: well before we flew back. But yeah, pretty pretty special moments.

1911
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,800
Speaker 1: I know you're going to be commentating in a week's

1912
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,840
Speaker 1: week or so's time. We're going to put this out

1913
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,479
Speaker 1: straight away. So what do you think of the next

1914
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 1: Ashal series coming up? What are you expecting as oppose

1915
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:33,400
Speaker 1: what you're hoping for?

1916
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:37,719
Speaker 2: What are you expecting, Well, England might England might change

1917
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: their style there there. I'm not going to even use

1918
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:42,479
Speaker 2: the word stubborn. It's not stubborn, but they've got themselves

1919
01:22:42,520 --> 01:22:45,120
Speaker 2: set in this in this way and style of play

1920
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:47,280
Speaker 2: that they believe is the only way that they're going

1921
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: to beat Australia in Australia.

1922
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:52,080
Speaker 1: So that's a style they're adopting to beat us as opposed.

1923
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 2: To they started it two years ago. But the only

1924
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:57,240
Speaker 2: thought that they would have had in their mind is

1925
01:22:57,520 --> 01:22:59,680
Speaker 2: how can we play What group of players can we

1926
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:02,000
Speaker 2: have that are going to give us the best chance

1927
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:03,760
Speaker 2: of winning a Test series in Australia because they haven't

1928
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 2: done it for so long. You know that they've only

1929
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 2: they've only won four Test matches in Australia this century. Wow,

1930
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:12,080
Speaker 2: this series. Four four Test matches in Australia this century.

1931
01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:15,320
Speaker 2: Three of those were in one series. So they needed

1932
01:23:15,320 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: to find a way, a different way in style that

1933
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:20,360
Speaker 2: they thought could win. Now what we saw last week

1934
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 2: they work and they were you know, they were bossing

1935
01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 2: the game. They were in front. They can they can

1936
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: do it again. They can bounce back, but they they

1937
01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:29,599
Speaker 2: just have to win those moments that I talked about.

1938
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 2: If they're not if they're not in the mindset and

1939
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,519
Speaker 2: the moment enough in the middle of a Test match

1940
01:23:35,560 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: to say, okay, maybe it's just time to refine and

1941
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 2: change things a little bit here, because this is what

1942
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 2: my team needs me to do right here and right now,

1943
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: then they'll keep getting the same results whereas But I

1944
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,080
Speaker 2: still think it'll be a close series. Australia one kneel

1945
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 2: up could have easily been one kneel down, Hazelwood out.

1946
01:23:54,200 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 2: Still we don't know if Cummins is coming back, so

1947
01:23:56,760 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 2: you know, on paper it's probably one of our weaker

1948
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,200
Speaker 2: sort of lineups. But like I said, it doesn't matter

1949
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: and Ashes, if you've got to beat Australia, you've got

1950
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: to beat the man for man, and last week an

1951
01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: I went good enough to put him.

1952
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,840
Speaker 1: Away because I've been hearing Cummings has been in the nets.

1953
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:14,639
Speaker 2: He's gone well, he's flying. Yeah, So I actually think

1954
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 2: he will play this week. I interviewed him last week

1955
01:24:18,040 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 2: and he was pretty confident in what he was getting through,

1956
01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,960
Speaker 2: but also more important how he was pulling up the

1957
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 2: next morning. So I'd be surprised if he doesn't play well.

1958
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:28,879
Speaker 1: Rickybo, this has been amazing for me, like amazing opportunity

1959
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: for me. Thanks very much, congratulations on a stellar career.

1960
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 1: But thanks for being so well to say mate, it's

1961
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: been really cool.

1962
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,560
Speaker 2: I told the helmets off, mate, I can take the

1963
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 2: helmet off. People will get to understand me and how

1964
01:24:38,880 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 2: a little bit more than they did.

1965
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: And I like your guys like that.

1966
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:42,840
Speaker 2: Thanks