1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Yes, hello people, and this is the final episode of 2 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Backstage with Koper Matty John's for twenty twenty four, don't 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: we We are going to be back in twenty twenty five. 4 00:00:09,960 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: We'll let you know where you can find us next year. 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: But we really appreciate your support through the year and 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,959 Speaker 1: we hope you've enjoyed it and some big guests to 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: come next to you. 8 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 2: Exciting year next year. 9 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: Now for our final episode, it's a live podcast and 10 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: we are going to be joined by Adam Spencer. Adam 11 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Spencer well pretty straight to your people. 12 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: He is a genius. 13 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: You heard him on Triple J back in the day, 14 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: the ABSC radio. Have you seen him on TV on 15 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: the back page of course as well on Fox Sports. 16 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 2: So enjoy this live interview. 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: And well I'll tell you what I started by asking 18 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: Adam about the fact that he has. 19 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 3: Had an asteroid named after him. 20 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: You can follow us on the Apple and Spotify apps. 21 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 1: Thank a Radamus. 22 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 3: I should point out there are a lot of asteroids 23 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 3: out there there. It wasn't the first guy though. That 24 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 3: was a guy called Rob McMurtry from an You who's 25 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: an Aussie who's famous for having discovered thousands of near 26 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 3: Earth objects and you get to name them. And Doctor 27 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: Carl and I were doing a lot of our stuff 28 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: at the time, and he was a big fan of 29 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,839 Speaker 3: Carl's work in particular, so he named an asteroid after 30 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: Carl and an asteroid after me. And I can't remember 31 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 3: if it's something like one eight six four one two 32 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 3: dash e Adam Spencer, or you've done your meticulous research, Adam. 33 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: Let's just pull you up right there, the sorry wrong 34 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: one that's wrong, going to put you on the spot 35 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: with something one eight four one three Adam Spencer. 36 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,399 Speaker 3: There you go. And I was doing a show with 37 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: doctor Carl and we had Brian Schmidt in the audience, 38 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: who is an Aussie astrophysicist. He won the Nobel Prize. 39 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 3: Him and his crew proved the universe is actually continuing 40 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 3: to expand and will expand forever. It won't go out 41 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: and then collapse back on himself. Him and his crew 42 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: came up with that it broke, It broke science. And 43 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: he was in the audience, and so we put up 44 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 3: an image of each of our asteroids and got into 45 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: say which one he'd prefer more, and he came down 46 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 3: slightly on my side over doctor Carl's. 47 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to ask doctor Carl. He come on 48 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: the radio yesterday and we were asking him a question 49 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 4: that we wanted to explain. It was about It was 50 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 4: something about when a helicopter goes up yep, it sits 51 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 4: and with the earth rotating, if you go back down, 52 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 4: why do you not end up like ten kilometers away 53 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 4: from another thing? But he tried to explain it. We 54 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: find it a lot with people who are really intelligent, 55 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 4: they aren't able to dumb down their answer so that 56 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 4: everyone else can understand. 57 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 3: But you seem a little bit different because you are. 58 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 4: But you are quite intelligent, yet you are able to 59 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 4: dumb it down for everyone else. 60 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 3: I'm sufficiently I'm quite intelligent, but sufficiently unintelligent that I 61 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 3: can explain, you know, whenever, because my bag is maths, 62 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 3: which I accept a lot of people don't have a 63 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 3: natural leaning to like I do, and that the one 64 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 3: skill I do have is I'm pretty good at putting 65 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 3: myself in the spot of someone who doesn't get it 66 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 3: naturally and finding a way to get that message through. 67 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 3: The Thing I love most about Carl is you listen 68 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: to his like thirty five years or whatever on Triple J. 69 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: He's been asked thousands and thousands of questions and his 70 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 3: most common answer in all that time is, h great question. 71 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that. I'll go and 72 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: find out. And the thing I love about Carl is Carl. 73 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: I know people who know five percent of what Carl 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: knows who won't admit there's a single thing they don't know. 75 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 3: And Carl is intellectually formidable but so humble about it 76 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,800 Speaker 3: and always having to go. I'll go and ask someone 77 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 3: who really knows that, and then I'll work out the answer. 78 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: The world would be a better place if a lot 79 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: more people's default position was I'm quite comfortable saying I've 80 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: got no idea what the answer to that is. I'll 81 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 3: go and ask someone who does know, as opposed to 82 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 3: did a bit of research myself on the phone while 83 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: you're asking the question, and here you go. 84 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: Yep, they could be cancer, you know, doctor Carl. On 85 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: a different note, doctor Carl has a very rare condition. 86 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: I believe I think I read somewhere where he doesn't 87 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: recognize faces tropopagnosia. 88 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 3: So you know how, sometimes you'll see someone and ychs 89 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: and oh god, I clearly have met you I'm sorry. 90 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: And some people say I'm not great with faces, and 91 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 3: some are a bit better names and faces, and there's 92 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 3: sort of a spectrum of that, but it can be 93 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 3: bad enough that it's diagnosable. And Carl's like that. And 94 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 3: we once did an experiment. We were doing a Sleek 95 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 3: Geeks TV show and Carl was doing a book signing 96 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 3: and unknown to Carl, so there's about he's in a 97 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 3: shopping center for about an hour, so there's probably about 98 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: fifteen people in the que at any time, and the 99 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: queues just refilling. He's just sitting there signing books. And 100 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 3: we sent this guy out to get his book signed, 101 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 3: got his book sign said, my name's Jeremy. He went 102 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 3: straight to the back of the queue, took off his 103 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 3: baseball hat, came forward together and exactly the same outfit 104 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 3: would have been three minutes later. My name's Paul, no 105 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 3: trouble at all. Went to the back of the queue, 106 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: took his jacket off, just had a different T shirt on, 107 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: same face, no hat, walked up. One name's Michael. Oh great, 108 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: nice to meet you. Carl, he's just this guy. The 109 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: same guy's books repeatedly. About the sixth time he comes 110 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 3: forward Carl says, do you work at the University of 111 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: Sydney or something I've had it's like vaguely for me. 112 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 3: That the stunt finally ends when the guy comes forward 113 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 3: and the line had got a bit shorter, so it's 114 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 3: only about two minutes since he's been up and he 115 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: hasn't had time to think of a new name, and 116 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: Carl goes, what's your name? And he goes, I know, 117 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm out of So the experiment only ended 118 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 3: because the guy who was making up fake names ran 119 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: out of a list of names. Carl had signed this 120 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: guy seven times wow in forty minutes and just had 121 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: not recognized it was the. 122 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 4: Same at it before we get into some of your career, 123 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 4: because you are probably the biggest Sydney Swan supporter of 124 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 4: all time up. 125 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: There, Yeah, of course, but the good doctor. 126 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 4: Look, we're going to because we talk a lot of 127 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 4: sport all in here, but we don't really talk AFL, 128 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 4: so we're going to just let you get it all 129 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 4: out of your system. Out Let you just vent for 130 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 4: a little bit about the year that just was for 131 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 4: the Swan. 132 00:05:57,120 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: Okay, so for any listeners who aren't assive AFL fans, 133 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 3: So the Sydney Swans had a really good season, finished 134 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,120 Speaker 3: top of the table, got through to the Grand Final 135 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 3: and did not have our best game of the year 136 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 3: in the grand final. And we've made a couple of 137 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: Grand finals recently and chosen not to have our best 138 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 3: games of the year in both of those. And so 139 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: it's this dilemma of you know, it was not good 140 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 3: enough and it was heartbreaking to watch. At the same time, 141 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: if our biggest problem is we have to get a 142 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: little bit better in these grand finals that we are 143 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: regularly making, about thirteen teams in the competition would give 144 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: their left nut to have that problem, So they've got 145 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 3: to get a bit better. I've had a long chat 146 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: to the boys. Of course they chose not to listen 147 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 3: to me because I'm an idiot. But we'll be back 148 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: in twenty five. Don't worry, Adam. 149 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 1: Look I'm gonna make things really fucking simpler. Just support 150 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: the Penrith Panthers. There you go, simple, simple and they win. 151 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: You know, I think my idea like, okay, I get history, 152 00:06:55,760 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: but the Sydney Swans you should have like a motto 153 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: or a team. A label strikes more fear than a 154 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: Swan I love Swan' They're fantastic. I want you dance 155 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 1: with Swan. Swan like it. 156 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. 157 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 1: But as far as physicality, yep, in big games, not Swan. 158 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: I'm thinking the Sydney Sea Lions, Sydney Scorpions, the Sydney Salmon. 159 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: I mean how expensive salmon is? 160 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, very true, ye, Sydney Parking Inspectors. Yeah, I mean 161 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 3: we did. We lost to the Lions, and I guess 162 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: if you're putting a line against the Swan, you're going 163 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 3: to do a world to win there. But in twenty 164 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: twenty two was the cats that feed us, and I'd 165 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 3: back a swe against a cat. It'd be a reasonably 166 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 3: boring fight, but I'd back a sworn against the cat 167 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 3: most days. 168 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: Sure. 169 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 4: Sure, Sydney Submarines or opposed to that, Sydney c Space. 170 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 3: Men Sydney Sea Space not to. 171 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 4: Be confused with Sydney Semen. 172 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 3: That's right. Look, as a general rule, if the team, 173 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: if the team logo requires fans to sit there for 174 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: two or three minutes to understand it, it's probably not great. 175 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: Like one of Elon kids, Elon Musk's kids names Sydney 176 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 3: X one four eight seven dot do three. 177 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,720 Speaker 1: Three b Adam, yourself and your dear friend Will Anderson. 178 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: You're going on tour twenty years since the breakfast radio 179 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: show pulled up stumps on a big tour. Okay, is 180 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: this an Oasis thing? At happening? 181 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: It was funny, so we Will and I. I'm the 182 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 3: mathematician of the tour us, so I'd worked out twenty 183 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: twenty four take away two thousand. It's been twenty years 184 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 3: since we finished. We'll talk about four minutes and then 185 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: agreed with me and so we thought we'd get together 186 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 3: and do something to mark that because it was a 187 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 3: great writer and it's been a while. We talked about 188 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 3: hopping up one night at the Melbourne Comedy Festival, and 189 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 3: then it kept festering. The more people we told they said, look, 190 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 3: just do a little too it just do six or 191 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: eight shows hit the East coast. So we'd agreed to 192 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,640 Speaker 3: do a tour. Then we had all this prep and 193 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 3: when we're announcing it on a Tuesday. We'd flagged a 194 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: little bit of teasing on some socials, but we're going 195 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 3: to announce it on Tuesday and about four o'clock on 196 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 3: the Monday afternoon, Oasis go anyway, We're going to get 197 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 3: back together, and it it just dominates world media. Now. 198 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 3: Obviously what had happened was word had got out to 199 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 3: Oasis Ah, and they panicked and thought they had to 200 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: get on in front of the tsunami of publicity that 201 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 3: we were going to get Well. 202 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: Unlike that, you two actually like each other. 203 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. We can be in the same 204 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 3: room and do a few shows without wanting to stavage. 205 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 3: It's going to be fascinating. But the fun thing about it. 206 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: So we did our thing from two thousand till two 207 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 3: thousand and four, and that is just before you get 208 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: just before phones turns smart and just before media becomes 209 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: sort of social and diverse and that sort of stuff. 210 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 3: So you can't go online and just do tow clicks 211 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: and find all the stuff we did. It's just it's 212 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,079 Speaker 3: not there. Right, I've got made to do radio shows 213 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: these days, you know, some of them might be sitting 214 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 3: on this stage. And two, I'd practically never listen to 215 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 3: the show live because it's just not in or it's 216 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: into state or something. I've got my to do radio 217 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 3: shows into state. I see it on Instagram. I can 218 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 3: listen to the podcast. I feel like I'm listening to it. Effectively, 219 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 3: this stuff was appointment radio. You had to be there 220 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 3: at that time. So the two great things are one. 221 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 3: Everyone who remembers it has this absurd memory that every 222 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: time we turned on the microphones it was just liquid 223 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 3: gold dripping out of our minds. It was not half 224 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 3: of it was a car crash. But I'm happy for 225 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 3: people to remember that way. But too, if someone does 226 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 3: remember something in twenty twenty four, it must have had 227 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: a pretty big impact on them. Yeah, twenty two, twenty 228 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 3: three years, we're getting people quoting back individual mic breaks. 229 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,559 Speaker 3: My dad died during the time we were doing the show. 230 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: Someone reminded me of the day the other day of 231 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 3: the song I dedicated to him the next day. So 232 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: it's that sort of Yeah, we're going to get together 233 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 3: and party like it's the middle of two thousand and two. Again. 234 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 3: The only difference is when we announced the tour, Will said, look, mate, 235 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 3: when you in the old days, if we did a show, 236 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: we've got together and did something before, like a Splendor 237 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: in the Grass or something at seven thirty, and if 238 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 3: it all sold out, you do a second show nine 239 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:02,840 Speaker 3: thirty ten o'clock. Will said, we'll start at seven thirties 240 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 3: and the second shows will be five pms because for 241 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: our crowd these days, come and watch the show. I'm 242 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 3: a byte of dinner. You'll be home by eight thirty, 243 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 3: you can pay the babysity, you'll be in bed by night. 244 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: Well, what's the structure of the show. 245 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: What do people expect? 246 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: And is it like a stand up routine? 247 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: Is it? As we sit here, it's still a week 248 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,079 Speaker 3: before the first show, so I've got no idea what 249 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 3: the structure is going to be yet it's going to 250 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 3: be pretty loose. A lot of it seems to be 251 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 3: the audience wanting the stories behind the curtains. The guests, 252 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: they could remember what are they up to now? What 253 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 3: was it like when this happened? Will took Nicole Kidman 254 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: on a date that made front page news literally internationally. 255 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,559 Speaker 3: At the time. He was described on one of the 256 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: one of the American networks, is one of Australia's most 257 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 3: eligible bachelors. Where the true stories of that sort of stuff. 258 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 3: We'll get a few musicians back from the day. We've 259 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: got a couple of the old sort of pop stars 260 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 3: of the day and to dust it off, and you know, 261 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 3: I think I said the other day that it's going 262 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 3: to be pretty much exactly like the old days. The 263 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: big change is the little white tablets that Will is 264 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 3: going to take before the show these days anti arthritis medication. 265 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 3: But apart from that, it's pretty much. 266 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,240 Speaker 1: Like shoutout Andrew Johnson, Now. 267 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 3: I can do that. 268 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: Unrelated we're talking before just full the show. We're talking 269 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: about breakfast radio, and you don't want to. I don't 270 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 1: sound like your winds it because my dad worked dog 271 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: watching the coal mines. He worked from midnight to eight o'clock. 272 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: But breakfast radio that trying to be creative that hour, Adam, 273 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: there's something about the really drainer, like my last year 274 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: I had it. I did eight years breakfast radio triple 275 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: in the last year pneumonia twice, and I used to 276 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: drive in every single and I was shitting in the nest. 277 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: I was awful to be around. I drive into work 278 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: every morning fantasizing about being sacked, and you fuck, we 279 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: just sack yourself, which I did. What sort of told it? 280 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: Take on you to six years on the Jays with 281 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 3: a partner playing music. Took a year off, then got 282 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 3: recruited and I left Triple j sort of feeling. At 283 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: the time I left Triple J, I was you know, 284 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 3: I knew I was going to be a dad the 285 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 3: next year, and I was looking more at if the 286 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,680 Speaker 3: banks were going to put up interest rates, et cetera, 287 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 3: than what the new album from you know, the Offspring was, 288 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,719 Speaker 3: and I thought, I'm probably starting to age out at this. 289 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 3: Took a year off, then they grabbed me for the 290 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: grown Up ABC Breakfast. Around the time any Melbourne listeners 291 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 3: would have been listening to Red Simon's. For example, I 292 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 3: was doing that gig in Sydney which I went into 293 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 3: feeling horribly young and underdone. And you know, this is 294 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: the kid who's listened to a bit of hip hop music. 295 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: He might play some of that FIBM the throw sometimes 296 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 3: sort of thing. So that gave me a real new 297 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 3: spark of any show I did sort of fourteen years 298 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: over the space of fifteen and the JAS was a 299 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 3: nice way. And because we sort of get up at 300 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:48,719 Speaker 3: four thirty in the morning, you've got a mate there. 301 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 3: You can hide behind the songs on Triple J. You 302 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 3: can even say feeling a little bit dust in myself. Mate, 303 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: you might have to do a lot of the heavy lifting. 304 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 3: The listeners think that's quite funny. Then you go to 305 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 3: grown up radio. Was up at twenty past three doing 306 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 3: it by myself, might play one song in an entire shift, 307 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 3: and it turns out the treasure of New South Wales 308 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: doesn't think it's funny. If you, by the way, Treasurer, 309 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: I'm a bit dusty this morning. I went and got 310 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 3: pretty hammered last night. Let's talk stamp duty. So it 311 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 3: was a tough again. But I loved it. I really was. 312 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: It was a big creative change. It was like two 313 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 3: separate worlds. I handled the sleep comparatively well for people 314 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: who do that sort of stuff, and it just breeds 315 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 3: this discipline. I was up at twenty past three, so 316 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: you can get up at twenty past three if you 317 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 3: go to bed at eight pm. And it's very easy 318 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 3: to go to bed at eight pm if you've got 319 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: to get if you've been up since twenty past three, 320 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: people go, what if you want to have a couple 321 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 3: of bottles of wine during You just don't because you've 322 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: done it, and it's horrid. My wife from the front 323 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 3: row looking at me now, I'm talking about back in 324 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 3: breakfast radio times don't. And I loved it. And I 325 00:14:53,320 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: got out just at the right time. I remember something 326 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: I was. I was walking back to the ABC from 327 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 3: somewhere in town and someone, one of my producers, rang 328 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: and something had not worked out. Someone had really messed 329 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: us around, and I got seethingly angry about it when 330 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: I should have just gone, oh, well, we'll find another guest, 331 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: and I just something just said to me, I think 332 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: the novelty is warned. Yeah, I think you might be done. 333 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: And that wasn't about an April, and I just had 334 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: good time till the end of the year and got out. 335 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: It's funny that when you sense I think it's really 336 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: important when you sent time similar thing I got there. 337 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: I always pride myself when I work at a place. 338 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: You set the mood of a workplace and everyone everyone 339 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: gets on really good. And I suddenly went and turned 340 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: up one morning in a real fucking mood. I didn't 341 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:38,400 Speaker 1: want to be there. And I'm sitting there and I 342 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: noticed day by everyone starting the tiptoe around me, and 343 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: I thought, Okay, I'm starting to shit in my nest here. 344 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: You're not the only person who's tired, You're not the 345 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 3: only person who's a bit grumpy. You're getting paid more 346 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: than all the other grumpy people put together, so you've 347 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: you've got to be a leader in there. So I 348 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 3: was always when I got it, I was always the 349 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 3: first person in for the show. Wasn't necessarily the last 350 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 3: to leave account On one hand, across eight years, the 351 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: number of times if I'd been up really late the 352 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 3: night before for something that I wasn't it's always first one. 353 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: They just had to set that sort of standard. And 354 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 3: we're all time and we're all grumpy. But the difference 355 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: between we've all got this and just one person once 356 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 3: going well no, actually mate, maybe you fucked up, and 357 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 3: then it's and it just turns from. 358 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: There, Adam. So for you, like, preparation can mean more 359 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: draining than actually doing the job itself. So can you 360 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: back yourself what sort of what brings the best out 361 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 1: on you for you to sit there and go, okay, 362 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: you're going to interview whoever? Do you sit there in 363 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: to an hour's preparation and can sit there and work 364 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: it out? Or are you very good at just feeling 365 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: the interview? Like what is your best stuff? 366 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 3: I'm a good natural storyteller. I'm good at working pretty quickly. 367 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 3: So if I knew an advance of the interview was 368 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: going to be. I would have somewhere I planned it 369 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 3: to go right. I wouldn't go and just totally blind. 370 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: But if you've done a bit of that prep, you 371 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: can then run around and have fun if it goes 372 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: in a different direction. But the more fun on Breakfast, 373 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 3: right was so we'd come back onto the ABC at 374 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 3: seven am till ten past seven was the big news 375 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,160 Speaker 3: break of the morning, and you come in at eleven 376 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 3: past seven, and that's your lead story. Now in the 377 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 3: perfect world, at about six thirty am, that person's been 378 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 3: lined up. Your producer has given you a couple of 379 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 3: potential questions. You spend the news from seven till ten 380 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 3: past seven, reading the briefing notes, checking the news. Oh, 381 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: we're ready to go here. I would regularly at eight 382 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: past seven, nine past seven, producers are just out there 383 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: on the phones, topping on the screens. We've got no one. 384 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 3: We've got no one. We're trying to line this person up. 385 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 3: They've said no. Would regularly the ten past seven news 386 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 3: would finish and I still would not know what we're 387 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: doing in our first story. And there used to be 388 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: a little bit of a tell if you listen to me, 389 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: and I really went into the weather in detail or 390 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 3: asked the traffic guy a couple of follow up, Really, Vic, 391 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: tell us more about the Are you saying how passed 392 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 3: your road? Or are you saying we should get off 393 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 3: onto them? Seven? When you say jam means we had 394 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 3: nothing right, and I would occasion And that was the 395 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 3: real buzz. You just suddenly see come up on your screen, Treasurer. 396 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 3: Line five telegraph page seven, increase stamp duty and you 397 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: go and anyway thirteen plus seven on seven or two 398 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: ABC sitting and the big story that everyone's talking about 399 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,959 Speaker 3: this morning is the plan to potentially raise stampeding. As 400 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 3: you're literally flicking through the telegraph, the way the telegraph 401 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 3: is putting it is under the headline of stamp this one. Baby, 402 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 3: who's the better person to talk to about it than 403 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,479 Speaker 3: the treasure in yourself? Well, I was just on the line, Treasurer, 404 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 3: how are you this morning? Wealth? Think that's great? Now, Treasurer, 405 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 3: I'm reading here and i'd quote because you've got nothing 406 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: to put it on Boom boom boom put it to him. 407 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 3: And then you're just frantically scrolling forward. And the great 408 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 3: tell always used to be if you really weren't across something, 409 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: you could say to the talent. Now, look, you know 410 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 3: this is not universally popular. You know you have your critics. 411 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 3: What are your critics saying on this? And the treasure Gubb? Yeah, 412 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,239 Speaker 3: admittedly some people are questioning the timeline, and I think 413 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: that's fair, Treasurer. I mean, let's talk about the what 414 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: do you understand the timeline to be? Well, that sounds 415 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 3: pretty unreasonable to me. Thank you very much for your time. Oh, 416 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: let's play a song and so that that that. 417 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: Keme a lie. 418 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: That sort of energy was how's that? 419 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: How's that traffic on the M four? On the five? 420 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 4: What about some of the best guests you ever had 421 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: on that? Is there some of the stands and the 422 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 4: worst guest? I wanted to hit both then? 423 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, like and often the best guests would just 424 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,959 Speaker 3: be some random punter, right. My favorite person who ever 425 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 3: called in and said anything. We were on Triple J 426 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: and we'd done this talk back and the last person 427 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,879 Speaker 3: of calling was a guy from lon Ceston and he 428 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: tried to crack a bit of a joke and it 429 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: had really tanked and we sort of let him down gently. 430 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 3: We went off and during the song, this girl rang 431 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 3: in from Hobart and we put it away and she says, 432 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 3: Adam will love the show. Can I just on behalf 433 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 3: of the people of Tasmania. Can I apologize with the 434 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: guy from Lon Seston, Adam and will you really shouldn't 435 00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 3: trust someone from Lon Sesston to bring the deal. And 436 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 3: so she bags out long that's going on, right, We 437 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: play another song and this this young girl rings in 438 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: and she's from Devonport and she says, Adam and I 439 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: just want to take a moment on behalf of the 440 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 3: guy from Lon Sester who was being bagged out by 441 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: the girl from Hobart. That girl from Hobart, she said 442 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 3: she can take her fancy pants, big city attitude and 443 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 3: stuff it up her art and just the idea, like 444 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: in Australia, will have a giggle at Tasmania. In Tasmania 445 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: there is a rigid hierarchy. Devonport and Lon Syster normally 446 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 3: hate each other, but they will die in a fucking 447 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 3: ditch if someone from Hobart is going to tell them 448 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 3: how to. You couldn't have scripted it right. It's just beautiful. 449 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 3: Nicest guest ever, Henry Winkler, what a beautiful comes in 450 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 3: post happy days when he's producing mcguy that he's got 451 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 3: a movie of some sort out and he's just and 452 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 3: this guy is still a big star, right and he's 453 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 3: there and we're getting ready to go, and what the 454 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: assy guy who's sort of escorting him a round says, Henry, 455 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: do you want do you want me to go and 456 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 3: grab your tea or a coffee? And here he goes, 457 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: that'd be fantastic. And then you see the Aussie producer 458 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: rich and he can't find his wallet and Henry Winkler 459 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 3: just puts his hand in his pocket, grabs twenty bucks 460 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 3: out and says, that's why make get something for everyone 461 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 3: and just had no graces about it. Nowhere just the 462 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 3: most humble, decent person. Other end of the spectrum. Where 463 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 3: to young Ashton Kutcher, Yeah he was. He was clearly 464 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: struggling with just how incredibly famous he was and he 465 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 3: hadn't been briefed triple J here, mate, you're probably a 466 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: bit on fringe on weather that even do you you're 467 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: not going to get away with just going how awesome 468 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 3: am I here? And that was just a total waste 469 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 3: of everyone's You dob. This is the people who come 470 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 3: in who just don't want to plan and you go 471 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: and do we didn't drag you next and the other 472 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 3: one who I absolutely loved. We had Matt Damon on 473 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 3: a couple of times. I'll tell a quick story. We 474 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 3: have Matt Damon and my girlfriend at the time was 475 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 3: just garga over Matt Damon, and we're going to go 476 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 3: and interview Matt Damon in this hotel. So it's Will 477 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 3: and I, our producer, Zoe and my girlfriend at the time, 478 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 3: and we go to this hotel to a review Matt Damon. 479 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: And we've got an old dis mini disc recording thing. 480 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 3: It's like the size of a small suitcase with you know, 481 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 3: the microphone is tucked into it. This is the cutting 482 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 3: edge technologch of time. So we've only got one microphone. 483 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 3: So Zoe's sitting there putting the microphone around between Will 484 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 3: and me and Matt and Will and Me and Matt, 485 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 3: and my girlfriend's just there holding the mini disc recorder 486 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 3: on her lap while we do this, because she's our 487 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 3: assistant producer. And we have this great conversation. That interview finished, 488 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 3: and I go off here, I go, look matter if 489 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 3: I can level with you, thank you so much. Not 490 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: actually an assistant producer. My girlfriend just was really really 491 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:48,879 Speaker 3: keen to me if that was all right. He's totally 492 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 3: lovely with her, and he says, yeah, I must have been. 493 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 3: I was a bit suspicious because for an assistant producer, 494 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 3: you were doing absolutely fuck all there the role of 495 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 3: a coffee table. Everyone I know who's ever dealt with him, 496 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 3: he's just the sweetest nowhere, just down to right, as 497 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: long as they want to play the games. 498 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: You're very rare person in the fact that Adam is 499 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: that you've got a great imagination, you're great creativity, and 500 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: you're also so pragmatic as far as numbers and maths 501 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,920 Speaker 1: because they's hit such a different part of the brain. 502 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: What's the passion? Where does it come from? 503 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 3: So and this is the single thing I'm luckiest about 504 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 3: is my sweet spot is just a love for numbers 505 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 3: and mathematical sort of numerical nerdiness. Possibly an ability to 506 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 3: explain that better than a lot of other people who 507 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: share the passion. That's that's a sweet spot. I like, 508 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 3: Smarter than most of the funny guys, funnier than most 509 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 3: of the smart guys. That's like if you want someone 510 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 3: to do twenty minutes at your Christmas party. Of he 511 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: you're the men men, No, men and women they're a 512 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 3: bit differently. I've got Dave Hughes's number, and hughesy will 513 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 3: kill that. Yeah. But if you're doing a conference and 514 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,159 Speaker 3: someone's talking about advances in AI and you need to 515 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: interview them and it needs to be vaguely entertaining interesting, 516 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: Dave Hughes will say, probably flick this one through to Adam. 517 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: That's the sort of MySpace. I just see the world numerically. 518 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 3: I didn't encounter mathematical concepts that were challenging till probably 519 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 3: like third or fourth year UNI. It it just makes 520 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 3: and I know it doesn't for everyone. Right, I moved 521 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 3: I live at number in my street. I live at 522 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 3: number one hundred and fifty five. And when I moved 523 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: into the house, I meet my next door neighbor. She's 524 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: at one hundred and fifty three, right, And this is 525 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 3: literally the first time we've met. We've been chatting three 526 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: or four minutes, and I say, can I just say 527 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 3: you're one hundred and fifty three your house number. It's 528 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 3: really cool if you take the digits and cube them 529 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: and add them up. One cube plus five cube one 530 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five plus three cube twenty seven equals 531 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty three. That only happened for four 532 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 3: three digit numbers one hundred and fifty three, three seventy three, 533 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: seventy one, and four hundred and seven. Pretty cool house 534 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: number you've got, isn't it. How does she say that 535 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: she just nodded and walked back into our house, but 536 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 3: did it backing away so she can keep her eyes 537 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 3: Literally about the third thing I'd ever said to her, 538 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 3: I just see the world. My beautiful wife will go shopping, 539 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,479 Speaker 3: and it's a big Woolworth's trolley shop. We'll get two 540 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: thirds of the way through and go, Look, the cues 541 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 3: are pretty long. I'll take the trolley over now, because 542 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 3: I'm estimating by the time you get the remaining items, 543 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 3: I should be pretty much at the front of the 544 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 3: queue and will have minimized the amount of time we 545 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 3: spend queueing. All right, that's the only logical way to shop. 546 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 3: What an incredible pain in the ass, irritating for someone 547 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,880 Speaker 3: who's then running around trying to grab fourteen items before 548 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:46,880 Speaker 3: you get to the front of the queue. 549 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 4: How long into meeting your wife, did you sort of 550 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 4: expose this side of yourself? Because I'd imagine if that's 551 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,239 Speaker 4: on a first that's on a first day. 552 00:25:55,359 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 3: I didn't lead with it. So my beautiful wife Leah 553 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: is for both of us our second marriages. I think 554 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 3: she had a vague idea what she was getting into, 555 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 3: but I probably managed to, you know, hide the sharper 556 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 3: edges for a sufficient amount of time. Challenge. 557 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: So, Adam, what do you see? Right? I've heard once. 558 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what might have been Diesel 559 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: that he was saying. When he writes music or his music, 560 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: he writes songs by seeing colors colliding together. 561 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 3: And it's synthesier. 562 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: What do you see? 563 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,720 Speaker 3: I see the numbers, and I just see the patterns 564 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 3: in the numbers. And every time like numbers, just have 565 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 3: you the number sixteen? Yeah? Whatever, Well that's two to 566 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 3: the power of four, and it's four to the power two, 567 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 3: and it's the only whole number that can be written 568 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 3: in that sort of reverse. I just know every time 569 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: I see sixteen, I just seven eight next to it. 570 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 3: That's prime. Bang. I just see these patterns in numbers. 571 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 3: In some ways, I think that's actually really well, the 572 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 3: thing I think is beautiful about it is this that 573 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: the thing that makes us, the thing that makes humans humans, right, 574 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 3: the thing like dogs are amazing, right, Trees are incredible. 575 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 3: But we've got enough gray stuff rattling around here that 576 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 3: we look at the world around us, have a moment 577 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 3: of what's going on, how does this work? And the 578 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 3: natural human desire to understand things, to be able to 579 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,840 Speaker 3: explain them, to measure them, to be able to guess 580 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 3: what's going to happen next. We've got all these different languages. 581 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 3: Art is amazing, right, music's beautiful, literature, incredible. Maths is 582 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 3: clearly the best language to do that. It's the most 583 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:44,359 Speaker 3: powerful natural language to answer the most fundamental of human questions. 584 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 3: And anytime anyone's got a theory on something, and you 585 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 3: can say, yeah, I love your theory, here's a truckload 586 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 3: of data that shows that you're wrong. Right. The power 587 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 3: of numbers, this whole digital century that we are just 588 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,119 Speaker 3: exploding the fact on your phone you can say you 589 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: generate a photo for me, please, of two dogs juggling 590 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 3: cheese on a skateboard? Can I create an avatar of this? 591 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 3: That's all just ones and zeros that's all just mathematics. 592 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 3: So we Matt's nerds who've spent two thousand years getting 593 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 3: the atomic wedgees getting the Chinese birds. But you can't 594 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 3: say that anymore, but getting that rotational burn. 595 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: On the arm. 596 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,720 Speaker 3: This is our time. 597 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: Now, what's your favorite number? 598 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 3: Then? Well, probably the oil of Macharino constant one point 599 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 3: seven three. Tough crowd at him, Move on. I just 600 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:40,640 Speaker 3: didn't understand where you're talking about. The The number pie 601 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 3: is Pie is probably the most important number of everything. 602 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 3: And where pie turns up in areas of mathematics where 603 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 3: you'd never Pie is about circles and how far is 604 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: around a circle? It comes up in areas of mathematics 605 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 3: you would never expect it to. The first number I 606 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 3: fell in love with was four. I can remember, when 607 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 3: I was really young, the number four. There were a 608 00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 3: couple of things that jumped out at me. First of all, 609 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: you can break four into a couple of bits two 610 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 3: and two. You can't break up three. You can't break 611 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 3: up five. I started to get a concept of some 612 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: numbers have factors and some are prime. By thinking about 613 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: four and you get four because you're double two and 614 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: you get four, you get double that eight, sixteen, thirty two, 615 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 3: sixty four with that stop, they could do that forever 616 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 3: counting it. So four we are sort of my gateway 617 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 3: to the infinity of numbers. And I was still in 618 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: my wife will the test. If we're watching TV and 619 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 3: we adjust the volume, it has to move to a 620 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 3: multiple of four for me, right, and my eyes can't 621 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 3: tell the difference in brightness on a TV between sixty 622 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 3: one and sixty. But if you stop at sixty one, 623 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 3: I will just reach out and get the remote and 624 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 3: flick it downtip. I just multiples of four and Leah one, 625 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 3: and I can be a little bit obsessive about this stuff. 626 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 3: And she once actually said to me, you just turn 627 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 3: the volume down a little bit, and can it not 628 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: be on a multiple of four? Right, It's just and 629 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 3: I did it. I can't remember anything about the rest 630 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: of the show because I was so irritated. But yeah, 631 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 3: baby steps. 632 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: Okay, Adam so sorry, Cooper stupid. So my favorite number 633 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm boring here. A lot of people's are seven. What 634 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 1: does that say about me? 635 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: It means you're very bland and predictable. 636 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: Sorry, I meant seventeen. 637 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: Because there was a there was a guy called Alex 638 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 3: Belios who's an English mathematician and puzzle writer. He writes 639 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 3: a weekly puzzle for The Guardian and he once did this, 640 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 3: probably the biggest survey ever on favorite numbers, and he 641 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 3: asked everyone, what's what's your favorite number? And he got 642 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: thirty thousand or so people and it didn't surprise him. Age, gender, 643 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 3: ethnic background. Far and away, the most common favorite number 644 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 3: is seven. And if you ask people to think of 645 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 3: a number between one and ten, just name it, they'll 646 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: disproportionately skew towards seven. We're not quite sure why it is. 647 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: There's a little bit of seven days in the week 648 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 3: and that sort of stuff. But also seven's the first 649 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: number that's big enough to feel a little bit mysterious. 650 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 3: Like if I say, now, just picture three cats, you 651 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 3: can picture exactly three cats. Yeah, picture four tennis balls, 652 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 3: and you're probably looking over in a square of two 653 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 3: by two picture seven cats. You've got to actually do 654 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: so it's just big enough to be a little bit 655 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:23,600 Speaker 3: mysterious and a little bit cute. People skew towards seven outrageously. 656 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 3: But different numbers have different different cultural things, So we 657 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 3: think thirteen is unlucky there's some parts in southern Italy 658 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 3: where it's seventeen. The one I love most is in 659 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 3: Chinese culture, four is considered unlucky because the word for four, 660 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: I think it's in Canada, it's not Mandarin, sounds a 661 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 3: lot like the word for death. You'll go into certain 662 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 3: casinos they will not have a fourth floor or a 663 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 3: fourteenth floor because no one will stay there because it's unlucky. 664 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 3: The lucky number in Chinese is eight because it sounds 665 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: like the number for health and happiness. And when they 666 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: opened the casino in Sydney and they had to get 667 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: a bus a bus route to go from Haymarket down 668 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 3: to the casino because Haymarket's got a lot of Chinese 669 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 3: astrans they quite like attending the casino. That bus route 670 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 3: was given the number eight eight eight, as it looks 671 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 3: really lucky, which is cool, except, as I always point out, 672 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 3: if you're going to the casino by bus, you're probably 673 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: not smashing the phone. Isn't really the going Well, I'll 674 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 3: get the endeavor room ready. He's tapping on right now 675 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 3: to the home book card. He'll be here. He'll be 676 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 3: here any minute. You stop that Haymarket and Central and 677 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 3: newtes on. 678 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 4: The casino because you are a numbers man. Yes, is 679 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,959 Speaker 4: there a certain game that you play at the casino? 680 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 4: Are you a roulette man or anything like that. 681 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: It's a really good question. I don't do much of 682 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 3: that stuff. I do know some people who do, because 683 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 3: if you do. With all gambling games, they are designed 684 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 3: that you lose over time, and they're paying something like 685 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: fifty two percent to the house forty eight percent to you, 686 00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 3: which sounds fair. But if you just play fifty times row, 687 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 3: you quickly whittle down surprising how quickly you lose. But 688 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: there are certain circumstances where the odds of a game 689 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 3: will change. Best known example is probably when you're playing 690 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 3: blackjack or twenty one and there haven't been aces for 691 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 3: a long time. It's just the way the decks are, 692 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 3: and there's about to be a big run of aces. 693 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 3: You're a lot more that the odds start to swing 694 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 3: your way yep, and they throw your weight at the casino. 695 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 3: After that, well, that's the if you count such. So 696 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 3: the people who know what they're doing just watch games. 697 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 3: It might be a kino, it might be horse racing. 698 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 3: They wait for the odds to swing to where they 699 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: should and they plunge money in. There's no guarantee of 700 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 3: winning any individual hand or anything. But if they're betting 701 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,720 Speaker 3: big money when the odds are seventy thirty their way, 702 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 3: over time, they'll win. And the best example is this. 703 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,960 Speaker 3: I do have mates who've been in one of the 704 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: more prominent gambling syndicates. If we just walk into a 705 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 3: casino now and start accounting cards, they'd spot us very quickly, 706 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 3: and they're entitled to ask us to leave, and the 707 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 3: appropriate thing is for us to say. They'll come over 708 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 3: and say, we know what you're doing, please leave, and 709 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 3: we will respond with we are so offended you would 710 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,480 Speaker 3: even suggest that we're not going to gamble hew anymore. 711 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 3: We'll leave now, let us take the money, we'll go. 712 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 3: What you need is a situation where they can't see 713 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 3: what's going on. You go to Las Vegas for a 714 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: Mike Tyson title fight, genuinely right, because the moment Mike 715 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: Tyson's knocked someone out, suddenly twenty five thousand pissed people 716 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,240 Speaker 3: high on testosterone are just going to hit the gambling 717 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 3: floor and it's full and the security then are just 718 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 3: purely making sure there's no fights. People aren't vomiting, and 719 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 3: they're not bothering to spot people counting cards. What we 720 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 3: would do, four or five of us, you'd all go 721 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: and play a different blackjack table, leach, and you'd just 722 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 3: be playing small bets, fifty dollar bets, and you'd be 723 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: counting cards like an absolute mother, and the moment one 724 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 3: of your decks flipped hot, you'd give the most subtle 725 00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: of signals. You might move your chips with your right 726 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 3: hand instead of your usual left hand or whatever, and 727 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,319 Speaker 3: that is saying to me, who's just walking around, get 728 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 3: over here, now this deck's about to pop. I come 729 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 3: over while you're betting fifty buck. Za can just bit 730 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 3: three hands at two thousand dollars each and only in 731 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 3: the course of the night. I might lay fifty bets, 732 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 3: but I'm laying them when they're seventy thirty to us, 733 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: and they're massive bets. You guys are gambling away at 734 00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,360 Speaker 3: fifty bucks, maybe winning a bit, maybe losing. But my 735 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,000 Speaker 3: money that's coming in when we know what's going on, 736 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 3: swamps over the top of yours. And that's how we're 737 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 3: paying for the penthouse. We're staying out of the boomage 738 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,080 Speaker 3: all whep. So you wait for a game to spins 739 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 3: and then hit it. 740 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,800 Speaker 4: Sorry, Matthew, you can I ask you then? Because me 741 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 4: and my friend come up with a feeling. Me and 742 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 4: my friend we cover a theory a few years ago 743 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,959 Speaker 4: shand or Earl. Actually we were talking about this before 744 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 4: somebody in the audience are. 745 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: You looking at you're pitching for investors? Now. 746 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 4: It was on the roulette table where so we would 747 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 4: watch the screen and if there'd been more than eight 748 00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 4: red in a row, we would back against it and 749 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 4: go black. 750 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 3: Yep. 751 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,439 Speaker 4: So we'd have we'd take our own bot of cash 752 00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 4: in and we let's say we put one hundred bucks 753 00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 4: down to start, and we continue to double right our 754 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:02,919 Speaker 4: bets until a red came up yep. And it worked 755 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 4: for a little bit until one day it went to 756 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 4: like twenty four reds in a row and we just 757 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 4: got completely cleaned out. And we could never understand why 758 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 4: our theory didn't work. 759 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 3: That's a great question. Yeah. So, and that is a 760 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 3: thought experiment of people have put before just better dollar 761 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,080 Speaker 3: on red or black and if you lose bet two, 762 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,719 Speaker 3: and if you lose bet four, and eventually when you win, 763 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,040 Speaker 3: so if you put down the one and the two 764 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,799 Speaker 3: and your bet four. That's seven you've put in so far. 765 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 3: If you win on the four, you get eight, you've 766 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,279 Speaker 3: come out in front. If you're lost on that seven, 767 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 3: put in an eight. That's chapter fifteen. But if you 768 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 3: win on that, that's sixteen, you've come out in front. 769 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:47,120 Speaker 3: Eventually you're going to win. There's two problems. One, anytime 770 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 3: you win, you only end up one dollar ahead. So 771 00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 3: you're taking this whole risk to win a dollar. Yeah, and. 772 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: You're an idiot, and you. 773 00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 3: Will occasionally get fourteen in a row that you lose. 774 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 3: And if it's fourteen in a row, then your next 775 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 3: bet has to be eight and ninety two dollars and 776 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 3: you're betting that to win in total a dollar. So 777 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 3: the thing that's deceptive about it is you lose a few, 778 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,560 Speaker 3: then you win the big one and you think, wow, 779 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 3: we won the biggest bet of all, but all the 780 00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 3: smaller bets have pretty much wiped out the big one. 781 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:26,479 Speaker 3: And the other thing that it goes to is because 782 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 3: if people so, there's a great experiment. You get a 783 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,720 Speaker 3: group of school kids and you say. 784 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: Half who. 785 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: I don't thank you for your time. It's a great 786 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 3: exercise for math's teachers. You take a class, split it 787 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 3: in half, and you say half of you are going 788 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 3: to go and toss a coin one hundred times and 789 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 3: write out the results down the page. Half of you 790 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 3: are not going to toss the coin. You're going to 791 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 3: write out the results down the page. You're going to 792 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 3: write your names on the page. I'm going to leave 793 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 3: the room. I'm going to come back. You put them 794 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 3: all on the table. Nine, it's going to go you. Matthew, 795 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,880 Speaker 3: you toss the coin. Sarah, you tossed a coin. Janelle, 796 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,359 Speaker 3: you did not toss a coin. Teacher will get every 797 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,040 Speaker 3: one of them correct. And it's because of this when 798 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,279 Speaker 3: most of it the people who are faking it will 799 00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,799 Speaker 3: write head tail, headhead tail. They will never write seven 800 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 3: heads in a row, because, come in, what are the 801 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 3: odds are that in a string of one hundred, you're 802 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,920 Speaker 3: almost guaranteed to get seven heads in a row somewhere 803 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 3: in that string. So you just look down the list, 804 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 3: and any list that's got a long string of heads 805 00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 3: or tusk, that person tossed the coin, anyone that's just 806 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,759 Speaker 3: head tail, headtel head head tail, head head on. They're 807 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 3: faking it because our ability to actually perceive patterns and 808 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 3: trends is really limited. That's not a sledge. Everyone's is 809 00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,479 Speaker 3: in just the way we expect the world to work. 810 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 3: You do, just get outright stand there one night and 811 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520 Speaker 3: watch those numbers in the cassento that are just red 812 00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 3: all black. You will regularly get a string across twenty 813 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 3: tables of fifteen in a row. So it's our perception 814 00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 3: that's where that's the power of mathematics to break through 815 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,840 Speaker 3: though naiveties we have about how the universe works. 816 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: And mathematics what symbolizes people who are into mathematics and 817 00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:10,279 Speaker 1: shape them. It's really funny if you trans transfer it 818 00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: into sport. Is an example. I coached for about four 819 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: or five years in junior abulage with kids. The kids 820 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,839 Speaker 1: who were very very good at maths were very very 821 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,800 Speaker 1: good defenders. And because it takes more than courage to 822 00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: make a good tackle, it's a mathematical equation, band timing, 823 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,600 Speaker 1: hit and all the rest of it. It's it's just 824 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 1: something in the brain. Yet those guys were not as 825 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: good a creativity in the hearts, but guys who are 826 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,480 Speaker 1: good at maths were very very good defenders. Cooper is 827 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: terrible at maths. 828 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 3: So one of the great attacks and gentlemen. 829 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,400 Speaker 1: But it is funny when certain things shape the brain. Now, 830 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: I said before off the top it is it sounds 831 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,360 Speaker 1: very very basic. But for you to be able to 832 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 1: straddle numerous things as far as imagination and creativity and 833 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: have that pragmatic side of your brain, which do you 834 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 1: enjoy more? 835 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 3: It's a really good question. Ah. What defines me more 836 00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: is is the logical, rational, mathematical side, with all its 837 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 3: pluses and its negatives. My ability to just be relaxed 838 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:29,080 Speaker 3: and embrace disorder and when things don't work is terrible 839 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 3: and it's one of my great failings. And again, my 840 00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 3: beautiful wife has taught me a lot about life and 841 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 3: a lot about myself. Actually said to me very early on, 842 00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 3: what I don't understand about you is you'll walk out 843 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 3: on stage in front of two thousand people to do 844 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 3: a show with a script that you know is not 845 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 3: ready and could fall over at any moment. You'll go, 846 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 3: I've got this. The reason they pay good money for 847 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,279 Speaker 3: me is this. I can do this, and you will 848 00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 3: have not a sign of nerves. If your daughter says 849 00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,719 Speaker 3: she's going to be on the five fourteen bus and 850 00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 3: it's on the five twenty one, you just absolutely your 851 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: universe is shaken, and you totally freak out because it 852 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,920 Speaker 3: means we're going to park the car one stop closer 853 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 3: to the SECG or whatever. You just Adam just be 854 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,839 Speaker 3: solutions oriented and I just obsessed. So that logical side 855 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:20,000 Speaker 3: defines me far more. I love it when I turn 856 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 3: it into something creative. Okay, I love There's nothing for 857 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 3: There's nothing better than cracking a joke on stage and 858 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,400 Speaker 3: getting laughs. But the thing that defines me, or out 859 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,880 Speaker 3: of the two of them, is absolutely the rigid inability 860 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,920 Speaker 3: to accept that the world sometimes acts in ways that 861 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 3: I haven't predicted it will. 862 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, there's some michellaneous stuff. Twenty ten, you've done 863 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: a ten thousand dollars worth of books to the Demi's 864 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 1: Literacy Foundation that carriage kids from non English speaking backgrounds 865 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,360 Speaker 1: to learn to read and write in English. Are you 866 00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: multi lingual? No, I'm not. 867 00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:51,360 Speaker 3: And so this is the thing. People look at the 868 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,920 Speaker 3: maths thing, and because mats intimidates people a little bit, 869 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,319 Speaker 3: and people just go like, you're reasonably good at maths, 870 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 3: but you are a genius, right Like, in a room 871 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 3: of random selected people, I'm a maths genius. In a 872 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719 Speaker 3: room of maths PhDs, I'm as dumb as a box 873 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 3: of Hamits right. I'm not in any way an exceptional mathematician. 874 00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 3: I'm pretty good at explaining it and talking and explaining 875 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 3: basics to people. But because maths intimidates people so much, 876 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,680 Speaker 3: I think they massively overweight what that must mean about 877 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,880 Speaker 3: my general intelligence. I'm in awe of people who can 878 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,600 Speaker 3: speak a second language. That's unbelievable, to be able to 879 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,960 Speaker 3: move in your mind between if you're not just functional, 880 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,960 Speaker 3: if you're truly fluent in two languages, if you can 881 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 3: just mid sentence swap from one to another, or if 882 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 3: you at the point where you don't even really know 883 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,960 Speaker 3: do I think in English or do I think in German. 884 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 3: I've asked that of people who are truly bilingual, like 885 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,080 Speaker 3: when you dream, what language are people talking in the dreams? 886 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,279 Speaker 3: Or when you just stop and think, do you think 887 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 3: in Swedish or do you think what do they say? 888 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,240 Speaker 3: Often they just often they don't know, it's so innate 889 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 3: and they just literally flow between two language. I tried 890 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 3: a couple of language at school, did not have the 891 00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,200 Speaker 3: discipline to learn that just couldn't be asked. It just 892 00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:03,800 Speaker 3: didn't do anything for me. So I'm absolutely monolingual and 893 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,719 Speaker 3: in awe of people who can speak or something. 894 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,480 Speaker 1: Okay, At university, you're one of the world's top ranked debaters, 895 00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: and you also won the award for world's best individual speaker. 896 00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 1: You are the Muhammad Ali of arguing. Have you ever. 897 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:18,920 Speaker 3: I feel sorry for you? 898 00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever lost an argument? 899 00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,719 Speaker 3: No? Regularly, well, at least i've I've been smart enough 900 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,800 Speaker 3: to tap out on occasions. But what's ironic is the flips. 901 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 3: I did a lot of debating at university and went 902 00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 3: pretty well at it, and I'd like to think I 903 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,200 Speaker 3: only ever argue things in good faith. I don't. I 904 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,399 Speaker 3: genuinely don't try and win an argument for the sake 905 00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 3: of winning an argument. I'm looking at every one of 906 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,800 Speaker 3: the room except the beautiful woman. 907 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:41,399 Speaker 1: There in the room. 908 00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,320 Speaker 3: No, I don't think there's any point in If you 909 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,920 Speaker 3: deep down know I'm lying here to try and win 910 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 3: this argument, then that's a pretty hollow way to go. 911 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 3: What I sometimes get the other way around. If I'm 912 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,839 Speaker 3: having an animated discussion with someone and I truly think 913 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 3: I'm correct, and I point out something that they're saying, 914 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 3: that doesn't it seems to be a little bit inconsistent 915 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,359 Speaker 3: or might be wrong. They'll hit back with, oh yeah, 916 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 3: just because you're a debater. No, no, no, don't try 917 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:10,040 Speaker 3: your debating stuff on me. And I'm not trying debating stuff. 918 00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:13,160 Speaker 3: I'm pointing out that you've clearly changed what you said 919 00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 3: there from fifteen minutes. Oh no, no, I'm not calling 920 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 3: for that's no. The fact that I used to be 921 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,480 Speaker 3: pretty good at debating doesn't mean you're allowed to make 922 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,719 Speaker 3: a mistake now and just get away with it, because 923 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 3: it actually comes as a it's a burden as much 924 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 3: as it is a because people just go, oh yeah, 925 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:32,920 Speaker 3: you're just so. I'm not trying. I'm just pointing out 926 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,359 Speaker 3: you've clearly made them. Oh yeah, but they were great times. 927 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 3: And anyone who's got kids going into high school, if 928 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 3: they if they even show a flicker of interest in 929 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,480 Speaker 3: doing debating, get them into it, because it's just the 930 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:52,320 Speaker 3: most that into intellectual rough and tumble is just fantastic. 931 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,040 Speaker 3: And finding yourself in a corner under a bit of 932 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 3: time pressure hearing an argument thinking that just sounds bulletproof. 933 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 3: There's got to be a gap in this somewhere. Where 934 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 3: do we go? Where do we go. Just so I 935 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:02,080 Speaker 3: used to love it. 936 00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 4: Last question for AI artificial intelligence as it's you know, 937 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:09,640 Speaker 4: it's longer form. 938 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 3: Where do you think it's. I did a great job 939 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,680 Speaker 3: with this, kid, I tell you just in case. 940 00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:20,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not a numbers man, Just in case you 941 00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 4: didn't know that. You know, where do you There's a 942 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,040 Speaker 4: lot of talk around it taking over the world. I 943 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 4: don't know if you've seen any of those movies Terminator 944 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:29,720 Speaker 4: among various others. 945 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,000 Speaker 3: Okay, so potted history. You've all heard in the last 946 00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,399 Speaker 3: couple of years of chat, GPTO and these things called 947 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,960 Speaker 3: large language models that are doing amazing things with language. 948 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 3: Asking a question, they'll write you an essay, that sort 949 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 3: of stuff. Before then, we already had incredible artificial intelligence 950 00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:45,719 Speaker 3: that was happening. You would have heard of things around 951 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 3: south By, southwest of like reinforcement learning, neural networks. There's 952 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,279 Speaker 3: a model out there. Proteins are the basis of life. 953 00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 3: It used to take a human and entire PhD years 954 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,840 Speaker 3: of research to work out if you know the ingredients 955 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,279 Speaker 3: in a protein, it's the shape that matters. If you 956 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,280 Speaker 3: have that three dimensional shape of the protein, even slightly 957 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 3: off by a couple of percent that thing you're designing 958 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 3: just won't do the chemical reactions you want. There's an 959 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,160 Speaker 3: AI out there that has discovered the shape of two 960 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:20,920 Speaker 3: hundred million existing or potentially existing proteins. Every protein scientist 961 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,319 Speaker 3: in the world now uses this, and it's just moved 962 00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 3: there was. So we've got all those different AIS bubbling along. 963 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,680 Speaker 3: But the chat GBT thing we've sent in the last 964 00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,040 Speaker 3: eight ten months is fascinating, and I think what's really 965 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,560 Speaker 3: interesting about it is up until before then, with AI, 966 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 3: you needed to be a total coding nerding geek yourself 967 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:39,000 Speaker 3: to use it. You're now going to get things that 968 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:41,640 Speaker 3: are driven just by language. So if you want it 969 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,400 Speaker 3: the fact that you can now type into one of 970 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 3: these things, can you generate an image for me please, 971 00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,799 Speaker 3: of two people playing tennis, one of whom's taller than 972 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 3: the other, and instead of a tennis ball, they're hitting 973 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,400 Speaker 3: an apple backwards and forwards like that would have taken 974 00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 3: you three days if you had a PhD in a 975 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 3: photoshop and everything. In the past you were virtually coding. 976 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,920 Speaker 3: These things are now being driven just by language, and 977 00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 3: that's what's going to totally change the game. You'll just 978 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 3: ask your phone looking at it a landscape where am 979 00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 3: I in the world at the moment, and to say, 980 00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 3: you're in the King's Cross area of London, near the 981 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:16,719 Speaker 3: corner of this street, in that street, the nearest petrol 982 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,520 Speaker 3: station and blah blah blah blah. Language driven. I think 983 00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,160 Speaker 3: we're going to see a depth and breadth of change 984 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,560 Speaker 3: of industries and the way we interact with devices in 985 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:28,000 Speaker 3: each other that we've possibly never seen before. 986 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 4: Is that going to be a positive or negative? 987 00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,320 Speaker 3: It's both, and that's the really good question. The positives 988 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,359 Speaker 3: are there. You'll have in your phone in a couple 989 00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,640 Speaker 3: of you. Your phone will be the greatest Shakespeare's scholar 990 00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 3: in the world. If you're doing Shakespeare for the agency. 991 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,640 Speaker 3: You'll be able to ask your phone anything and get 992 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 3: incredibly rich. You'll be able to be creative, that sort 993 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 3: of stuff. The negatives, the big one at the moment, 994 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,239 Speaker 3: is the whole misinformation disinformation piece, the ability to just 995 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,439 Speaker 3: create now totally fake images. Totally remember back in twenty 996 00:47:55,520 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 3: sixteen that appalling Access Hollywood tape of Donald T I'm 997 00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 3: saying women, I just grab him by the pussy. I 998 00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,960 Speaker 3: was on to her like a bit. It was and 999 00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 3: still got voter President but like horrendous, right, if that 1000 00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 3: came out today, he would just go, oh, that's clearly 1001 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,880 Speaker 3: a fake. The inability in America, in the in the 1002 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 3: in the shadows of this election, the inability to have 1003 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 3: any idea what anyone has actually said, has really said 1004 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,680 Speaker 3: what they've said in the past, and that's only going 1005 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,560 Speaker 3: to get worse until we get better at distilling truth 1006 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 3: with these things, and until we as individuals become a 1007 00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,480 Speaker 3: little bit more Dude, you can't just see a five 1008 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 3: second clip now and go, oh, that's what that person. 1009 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 3: You do have to have a little bit of a 1010 00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 3: look at that and have multiple people going, now, this 1011 00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 3: has been cut completely out of context. They were answering 1012 00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,320 Speaker 3: a different question or whatever. That is really scared Cooper. 1013 00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,120 Speaker 1: Beat me to the punch. I'll tell you how I 1014 00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: was gonna ask that question, Adam. In non ninety four, 1015 00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,080 Speaker 1: there was an excellent movie called Electric Dreams where a 1016 00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,279 Speaker 1: fellow called Miles Harding by his computer and soon after 1017 00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: it develops emotions and starts a relationship with Miles's girl friend. 1018 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 1: He got forty seven percent on Rotten Tomatoes, cost six 1019 00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,600 Speaker 1: men made one point five me and described by critics 1020 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,279 Speaker 1: as stupid disturbing, bizarre, yet sentimental. What are your thoughts 1021 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:10,720 Speaker 1: on AI? 1022 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,600 Speaker 3: But I preferred your. 1023 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,319 Speaker 1: But like a fellow quit recently at Google about eighty 1024 00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,360 Speaker 1: months ago. He was a military guy. He left the military, 1025 00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,799 Speaker 1: was thrown out of military for e stance on things 1026 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,920 Speaker 1: he didn't believe, and he got high of Google. He 1027 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,760 Speaker 1: quit Google because they've been working on something at Google. 1028 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,960 Speaker 1: Try you know, I don't know it's an app, but 1029 00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:42,480 Speaker 1: based this thing that they created started to have feelings 1030 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,279 Speaker 1: and emotions. They would root it bad reviews and it 1031 00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,040 Speaker 1: would start to cry, and he said, this is going 1032 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,400 Speaker 1: in a very very dangerous place, and he quit. But 1033 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: it continues on. 1034 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 3: It's it's a question people ask what will will these 1035 00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,080 Speaker 3: systems ever? Will they become conscious? Will they become intelligent? 1036 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,080 Speaker 3: Will they become sentient? It's a real difficult question because 1037 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:03,360 Speaker 3: it also gets to the we can't even agree what 1038 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,600 Speaker 3: consciousness is in humans. So we all agree have it, 1039 00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 3: we still have it really nailed a definition of consciousness. 1040 00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,680 Speaker 3: So to decide if a machine's got something that we 1041 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,680 Speaker 3: don't even really know how we've got it ourselves is 1042 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 3: going to be very hard. But the thought experiment I 1043 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:18,800 Speaker 3: like to do it and I'll do it quickly with 1044 00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 3: the crowd. Here the giant assembled throng. Here is this 1045 00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:25,920 Speaker 3: that there's going to be a period whether they ever 1046 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,960 Speaker 3: do or not, but before that happens where we will 1047 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,720 Speaker 3: not be able to tell if these things are sentient 1048 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,160 Speaker 3: or not. The example I give is this, put your 1049 00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,320 Speaker 3: hands up if you own a dog. Everyone in the 1050 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 3: room again, and keep your hand up if you've got 1051 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,239 Speaker 3: a deep emotional connection with that dog. Yeah. Notice how 1052 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 3: not great? Thank you? Not a single hand went down, 1053 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:47,320 Speaker 3: thank you can put your hands down now. Not a 1054 00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,560 Speaker 3: single hand and went down. One extra hand actually went 1055 00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,960 Speaker 3: up with a guy going, oh fuck. Now the invention. 1056 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 3: I do have a dog. Why do you have that 1057 00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,160 Speaker 3: deep emotional connection with your dog? Because you love your 1058 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,480 Speaker 3: dog and your dog loves you. You've been away for 1059 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,640 Speaker 3: a few days, you get home, your dog is just 1060 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,279 Speaker 3: up the corridor, tongue out all over you because your 1061 00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 3: dog misses you so much? Does your dog miss you? 1062 00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:13,799 Speaker 3: Do you have any idea if your dog actually missed? 1063 00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:15,760 Speaker 3: I don't even know if we would have the science 1064 00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 3: to prove that a dog misses us, But it acts 1065 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:23,399 Speaker 3: so consistently like what we would expect something that missed 1066 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,279 Speaker 3: us to do that. We just buy it, we just 1067 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 3: impose on it. Here it misses us. So at the 1068 00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,680 Speaker 3: moment these things are still a bit clunky. But in 1069 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:31,319 Speaker 3: a couple of years, if you get home and you're 1070 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,720 Speaker 3: tricked up, Alexa as you open the door, says Maddie. 1071 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,920 Speaker 3: Great to have you back to Congratulations on your work 1072 00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 3: at south By Southwest Saw the podcast got some great reviews. 1073 00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 3: Checked out Instagram. You clearly had a really fun time. 1074 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,040 Speaker 3: Total piss of that the plane was delayed. Don't panic. 1075 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,839 Speaker 3: Just click This year you can have your favorite meal 1076 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 3: delivered in ten minutes. The kids they're asleep, They've done 1077 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:53,359 Speaker 3: their homework. I fed them. They were in bed by 1078 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,240 Speaker 3: eight thirty. Do you want me to play some music? 1079 00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,479 Speaker 1: I'd actually go I'm gonna self sniff and glue. 1080 00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 3: You're going to have these devices. My mum lives in 1081 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,719 Speaker 3: an old person's home, a lodge. Forty percent of her 1082 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:08,000 Speaker 3: fellow residents have zero visitors a year. She describes Christmas 1083 00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,480 Speaker 3: at that lodge is one of the saddest things you'll 1084 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,720 Speaker 3: see because it's a group of people having lunch, united 1085 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,360 Speaker 3: only by the fact that even on Christmas Day, no 1086 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:16,640 Speaker 3: one will come and have lunch with them, right. The 1087 00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,080 Speaker 3: role for these devices, especially with some of those people 1088 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,719 Speaker 3: in cognitive decline, to just have conversations, to just be 1089 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,320 Speaker 3: a friend, to just steer to us, to check in 1090 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,719 Speaker 3: on people, to play that song thirty times a day 1091 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 3: that they're happy to hear so that you can go 1092 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,000 Speaker 3: to the shop or only visit your mum once a 1093 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:34,160 Speaker 3: week and not feel guilty, or the role in age 1094 00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 3: care thele these things are going to go to a 1095 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 3: point reasonably quickly where you will not be able to 1096 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,960 Speaker 3: tell if they're conscious or not. That's going to be 1097 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,719 Speaker 3: the first philosophical thing we deal with, rather than the 1098 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,680 Speaker 3: I'm not worried about the sky, and I think I'm 1099 00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 3: not worried about people suddenly coming back from the future 1100 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,200 Speaker 3: to say you've got it all horribly wrong. It's more 1101 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,040 Speaker 3: these systems just getting big, too big, too powerful, too 1102 00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 3: fast for us to be able to contain them. 1103 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,040 Speaker 1: Is more my concern. Adam. When I introduced you, I 1104 00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: found it hard to find the right words. You've done 1105 00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 1: so much. I should have just said living treasure, thank 1106 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:05,839 Speaker 1: you for your time. 1107 00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 3: Thank you, Adams. Guys, thank you very much. That's the goods. 1108 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:14,640 Speaker 1: Thanks man, Thank you Adam Spencer. Everyone put the job. 1109 00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 3: Hey Matthew John John, my wife Leah locking stuff, lap. 1110 00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:26,839 Speaker 2: Job, rap job, You're and a people. Enjoy a couple 1111 00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,520 Speaker 2: of our best of twenty twenty four. Don't forget you can. 1112 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,880 Speaker 2: You can follow us on the Apple and Spotify apps