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Speaker 1: A couple of state MPs spoke about Wayala and primarily

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Speaker 1: the steel works in State Parliament yesterday. One was Eddie Hughes,

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Speaker 1: who's the local MP for the town up there, and

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Speaker 1: he made the point contractors have been waiting a long

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Speaker 1: time to be paid in Wyala and love to hear

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Speaker 1: from any if you're listening, if you're in Wyala, you're

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Speaker 1: a contractor, you're owed money by the steel works hasn't come.

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Speaker 1: You're waiting and waiting and waiting. Eddie Hughes point was

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Speaker 1: the owner Sanjevgupa has just purchased a twelve million dollar

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Speaker 1: property on Sydney Harbor while contractors are waiting for money.

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Speaker 1: The other MP who spoke was Frank Pangelo, who has

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Speaker 1: told Parliament he understands a major lab company that tests

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Speaker 1: the quality of steel iron ore hasn't been paid as

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Speaker 1: well for the last six months and as a result

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Speaker 1: the company has stopped quality testing, which means the steel

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Speaker 1: produced I presume can't be moved, can't be used for

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Speaker 1: any major projects. Frank Pangelo is on the line.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, well, good morning Matthew, and good morning to

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Speaker 2: your listeners. And look as your listeners would know I've

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Speaker 2: been asking questions about mister Gupa's operations in Wyala for

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Speaker 2: several years now, and yesterday in Parliament I described it

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Speaker 2: as a grave situation and pointed out this issue about

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Speaker 2: the testing and also mister Goopa's purchase of another multimillion

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Speaker 2: dollar property in Sydney while over one hundred million dollars

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Speaker 2: is owing to people in Wuyala. Now that seemed to

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Speaker 2: wake the local member Eddie Hughes and Labor from their

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Speaker 2: slumber about the dire situation the city is in. Have

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Speaker 2: been very quiet about it for a number of years. However,

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Speaker 2: can I.

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Speaker 1: Just pick up on one thing you've just said already

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Speaker 1: contractors the road one hundred million dollars in Wyala right now?

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Speaker 1: One hundred million more more?

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Speaker 2: Matt kidding, No, we don't know. Look, it'll be difficult

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Speaker 2: to quantify the exact figure, but I can tell you

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Speaker 2: that there's a company, there's Golding Contractors are owned more

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Speaker 2: than seventy million dollars. The Olor the giant waste companies

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Speaker 2: owed about eleven million dollars. Or Eisen, the rail company

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Speaker 2: owed about fifteen million dollars and then you've got the

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Speaker 2: supply chain that hasn't been paid as well. Through there,

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Speaker 2: the question has to be asked here, you know, is

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Speaker 2: GfG is the wireless suit steel works solvent? Now that's

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Speaker 2: the question that the Premiere and the Minister Tom Kittson

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Speaker 2: Thomas need to be telling the people of Whyala. Not

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Speaker 2: having meetings with mister Gutter at his Pott's Point mansion

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Speaker 2: in Sydney and seeing what's going on there needs to

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Speaker 2: be a reassurance to the people of Wyala of what

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Speaker 2: is happening and what the future of the plant is.

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Speaker 2: Is a perfect storm brewing here, Matthew, and we could

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Speaker 2: find ourselves in the same situation as a few years

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Speaker 2: ago when it went into administration. Right, the price of

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Speaker 2: iron ore has plummeted. The price of steel has also dropped.

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Speaker 2: Chinese steel cheap, Chinese steel is now flooding the market.

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Speaker 2: That is going to put more pressure on the Wyala

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Speaker 2: steel Works and also mister Gupta. So you know, the

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Speaker 2: government needs to wake upy the Premier needs to wake

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Speaker 2: up and see that there's a real issue up in

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Speaker 2: Wyala because Matthew, his biggest election promise is now hanging

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Speaker 2: on a precipice, right, that is the hydrogen plant. The

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Speaker 2: hydrogen plant was all going to be built in Wyala

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Speaker 2: because you know, they wanted to produce green steel and

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Speaker 2: it was going to benefit the Waala Steel Works. Now

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Speaker 2: if and I hope it doesn't happen, the Wireless Steel

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Speaker 2: Works has to go into administration again. It could take

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Speaker 2: years for that to happen. And suddenly mister Malanaoskis's you know,

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Speaker 2: big election promise, it could actually fall over. So this

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Speaker 2: is how serious it is. Now. I've been told today

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Speaker 2: again from sources in Wyala that they're about to close

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Speaker 2: down the main blast furnace for six months and they'll

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Speaker 1: So is the blastb the one that went out earlier

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Speaker 1: this year, that's the one, the one, So they're going

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Speaker 1: to put it out again, this time deliberately.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the reports I've received today is that it

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Speaker 2: government really needs to wake up to this. You know,

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Speaker 2: it's easy for mister Hughes to jump on Facebook after

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Speaker 2: I've raised it in Parliament and say, oh, look what

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Speaker 2: going on needs to be more than that. They need

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Speaker 2: to be saying to mister Goodby, you'd better be coming

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Speaker 2: a downturn in business in Wyala and these people need reassurances.

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Speaker 2: Not hearing Frank fifty so called.

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Speaker 1: Fifty people lost their jobs recently, of course made redundant.

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Speaker 1: There are many in the plant fearing that's the beginning

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Speaker 2: Well many are. In fact, I was told today that

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Speaker 2: report recently that people had to take their own toilet

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Speaker 2: paper into the place. There are also reports that they

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Speaker 2: can't find safety glasses that maintenance is now being scaled

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Speaker 2: down for them to save money. So the still works

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Speaker 2: are in peril and I think it's time the premiere

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Speaker 2: Kittson time and saying, oh, well, look I've spoken to

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Speaker 2: him and you know, we're monitoring the situation, but it

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Speaker 2: needs to be more than that. Now. I received an FOI.

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Speaker 2: We put in an FOI regarding the government's much touted

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Speaker 2: Still Task Force. Right, they set up a Steel Task

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Speaker 2: Force that would monitor what was going on in Whyala

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Speaker 2: and that the still works and you know it relates

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Speaker 2: the result of that foy was disturbing. No documents exist,

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Speaker 2: there are no minutes of any meetings, no notes, nothing.

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Speaker 2: We don't even know what they've been doing.

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Speaker 1: Has it met well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We've asked for all that nothing, there is nothing. There

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Speaker 2: is going on here? Seriously? You know you've got a

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Speaker 2: person who's going around buying multi million dollar mansions. We

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Speaker 2: may even bump into them at the footy on Friday

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Speaker 2: because you know, I know, you know, it's easy to

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Speaker 1: I think the very fair questions we did ask Eddie Hughes,

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Speaker 2: Why not and why not? Why are they coming out right?

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Speaker 2: And Eddie hasn't raised hardly any questions about the still

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Speaker 1: We'll stay on top of this. Now, just why I

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Speaker 1: have you You're putting out some post and boast law,

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Speaker 1: legislator legislation for people who post and boast on social media.

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Speaker 1: So this is you know, in the form of the

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Speaker 1: state government wanting a crackdown on young people, the federal

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Speaker 1: go a step further for anybody who posts them both

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Speaker 1: on social media exactly.

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Speaker 2: And look, it goes to a vote today and I

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Speaker 2: hope it gets support. Look, I know there are a

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Speaker 2: restrictions on these people getting bail, and look, I'm quite

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Speaker 2: happy if the government and the others in the Legislative

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Speaker 2: Council want to amend that. I certainly want to see

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Speaker 2: the legislation pass. Essentially what it will do, it will

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Speaker 2: make it, you know, a criminal offense with significant fines,

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Speaker 2: even up to two years jail if anybody you know

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Speaker 1: Media, okay, and two years jail up to.

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Speaker 2: Two years oh yeah, on top of on top of

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Speaker 1: All right, that should be good. Now do you expect

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Speaker 1: to get support you're hearing.

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Speaker 2: I had. I had a discussion with the Attorney General

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Speaker 2: from him was quite positive. He did have those concerns

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Speaker 2: about the bail in the bill, and I said, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm quite flexible with that. So I'm hoping that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they will support it, and I'm happy to make some

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Speaker 1: All right, So that goes before Parliament Upper House today

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it will be, but the Lower House has

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Speaker 2: been crammed with bills it's just incredible the rate of

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this. There was a gang on debate

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Speaker 1: as well. The guillotinas it's called in Parliament was used

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Speaker 2: Why why was that, Well, it's hard to say what

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Speaker 2: they certainly have the influence with the cross benches to

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Speaker 2: think the issue here is that we ram so many

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Speaker 2: be able to absorb those bills. For instance, yesterday in

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Speaker 2: on the portability of long service leave, even though there

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Speaker 2: are a lot of questions still to be answered about that.

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Speaker 2: Now obviously you're saying, well, what the hell is that

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Speaker 2: ability of long service.

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Speaker 1: Live on did you take it from job to job?

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Speaker 1: Surely you can't.

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Speaker 2: Well, only in the but now it's a particular sector, right,

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Speaker 2: the community services sector and not for profit sector. But

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Speaker 2: it opens the door, and of course this is a

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Speaker 2: future for it to be expanded to other industries and whatever.

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Speaker 2: To have this portability in super annual in long servicely

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Speaker 2: and it costs a lot of money that you and

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Speaker 2: you've got a lot of small companies that will have

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Speaker 2: long service when workers go from one area to another.

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Speaker 1: But that's not how long service should work. Long service

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Speaker 1: is your length of service with a particular company. You

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Speaker 1: get rewarded for your faithfulness in sticking with that firm

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Speaker 1: or organization, not to be you know, to carry it

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Speaker 1: with you like superannuation, so you just get a holiday

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Speaker 1: after fifteen years of work or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's how it used to work. In my

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Speaker 2: then you had your ten years or fifteen years or

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Speaker 2: whatever it was. But now because a lot of these

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Speaker 2: in age care or the disability sector. They tend to

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Speaker 2: take that abortion. Well, look, it's going to cause pressure.

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Speaker 2: I've put a lot of pressure on small business.

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Speaker 1: Business people even know this is coming.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know the essay business Founder of Commerce.

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Speaker 2: We're pretty upset about the fact that there's been having

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, it went through yesterday and it will go through.

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Speaker 2: So that gives you an idea, and it just came

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Speaker 2: you know, you have issues down there with the Liberals

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Speaker 2: in you in all sorts of disarray there, and they

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Speaker 2: that goes through a you know, in a reasonable amount

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Speaker 1: Hey, Frank, well I have you just quickly drug testing politicians?

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Speaker 1: Should that be a thing? Should should you and your

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Speaker 1: colleagues be drug and even drink tested when you're in

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Speaker 2: Well should that apply to other Well, it does, doesn't,

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Speaker 2: or does it apply in radio? Should you be or

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Speaker 2: anyone in your place to be drugs?

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Speaker 1: I'd have no objection whatsoever, Frank, because I don't do drugs.

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Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't. Well, I wouldn't. Look, I think I

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Speaker 2: think it's going a bit too far. And I know

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Speaker 2: why you're asking that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know why I'm asking, of course you do.

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Speaker 1: But why why why is it too far?

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Speaker 2: Well, drug testing applies in certain industries of course, where

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Speaker 2: you know there are people that have to you know,

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Speaker 2: there's there's a dangerous equipment or whatever that applies, and

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Speaker 2: you obviously want people to be working, you, driving buses

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Speaker 1: And that of course, Well, look, I mean you're on

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Speaker 1: you're on the public person. I mean, we wouldn't expect you,

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Speaker 1: your staff to be doing drugs while you're earning money

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Speaker 1: off the taxpayers. Person.

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Speaker 2: And I look and look, I agree, But I think

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Speaker 2: civil liberparians might have bit of an issue.

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Speaker 1: They always have an issue. They have an issue with everything,

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Speaker 1: but the fact, you know, okay, but you.

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Speaker 2: Know, if you're going to pick on politicians and they

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Speaker 2: have to do it. Well, I think everybody else needs

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Speaker 2: to be able to do it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's good. I get I get a high just

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Speaker 1: There's my high. I don't need a lot official one.

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Speaker 2: Well, I get a high coming into Parliament representing the

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Speaker 2: people of South Australia on real issues. But anyway, look,

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Speaker 2: it's it's an interesting situation for for what's happening in

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Speaker 2: Parliament at the moment. Look, you know, I wish mister

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Speaker 2: Spears all the best. But if he believes that it's

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Speaker 2: couple of ways he can he can address that, all right.

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Speaker 2: One of them is to hand his telephone to the

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Speaker 2: police and whatever, just to ascertain that it is and

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Speaker 1: Well, he needs to report it. He needs to report

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Speaker 1: it to police, there's no doubt about it. If he claims,

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Speaker 1: that's your first.

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Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, because you know, it's it's quite serious to

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Speaker 2: somebody and you want to do everything you possibly can

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Speaker 2: to clear your name, and I hope you know. And

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Speaker 2: look at this this stage, there's nothing for me not

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Speaker 2: to believe what mister Spears is saying. You know. However,

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Speaker 2: if he feels that he has been the victim of

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Speaker 2: some kind of a cruel hoax or whatever, he needs

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Speaker 2: to go straight to the police and clear it up.

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Speaker 2: And look, and I agree with what his leader said,

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Speaker 2: but look, I wish him all the best. I know

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Speaker 2: it's been pretty hard for him when you're splashed all

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Speaker 2: over the front pages of papers, on every TV newsport.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's a decent bloke. You have to remember that,

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Speaker 2: you know. You know, he's just like you and me.

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Speaker 2: He's a human being and they are affected by this

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Speaker 2: type of adverse publicity, so you know, I think people

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Speaker 2: need to also go easy on him.

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Speaker 1: All right, Frank Pangelo, thanks for your time this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you mate.

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Speaker 1: Independent on Opper House MP