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Speaker 1: McK fanning. Welcome to straight to it mate. Finally it's

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Speaker 1: been a while, been a while, sure, well you've been

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Speaker 1: busy mate. Let me just start up. Let's ask you

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Speaker 1: this question. How do you feel been a kid that

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Speaker 1: grew up in Penrith to now we're sitting at where

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Speaker 1: we are, by the way that we're on site at

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Speaker 1: a place where you know, you're part of a group

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Speaker 1: that's proposing to build wave pill up in north or

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Speaker 1: not North quest but in Queensland in the Gold Coast.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that transition when you stand

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Speaker 1: back and have a look at what you've done in

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Speaker 1: your life.

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Speaker 2: Oh? Mate, Yeah, it's one of those things where I

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Speaker 2: never thought I'd be in this situation, you know, from

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Speaker 2: from where I started as a kid and to where

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Speaker 2: I stand now, like you know nothing, and then to

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Speaker 2: be able to be in situations where I can build

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Speaker 2: a business or be able to make decisions around money.

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Speaker 2: It's it's purely wild and I'm forever grateful that I'm

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Speaker 2: in this situation. And but just just know it's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you always hear those people or you can

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Speaker 2: do anything you want, and it's sort of like, well

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Speaker 2: you sort of can like it's it's just as much

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Speaker 2: work as you want to put into it.

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Speaker 1: Really, But were you one of those people used to

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Speaker 1: manifest that type of thing, Like did you did you

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Speaker 1: think yourself as a kid, I only get the fuck

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Speaker 1: want to. I don't want to be that person when

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Speaker 1: I'm a parent. You used to think that stuff to yourself,

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Speaker 1: like manifests this universe.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, growing up, don't care about money even

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Speaker 2: to this day, Like I don't.

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Speaker 1: It's not a driver, It's.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not a driver. It's never been a driver. Even

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Speaker 2: when I was competing, and that like didn't care if

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Speaker 2: it was the biggest prize person in an event or

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Speaker 2: something like that. It wasn't. Wasn't my band and all

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Speaker 2: and all. My My thing was just be the best

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Speaker 2: I could possibly be in whatever situation I was in.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I think that's just the rewards come from

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Speaker 2: just working hard.

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Speaker 1: That's a very good point. But you did you just

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Speaker 1: said you thought I want to be the best at

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Speaker 1: what I do. Like, so is that a natural competitive

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Speaker 1: streaking you?

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Speaker 2: Being the youngest of five kids, you know, I had

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Speaker 2: a lot of Yeah, it was just I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think I was just always fighting for something, you know,

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Speaker 2: like if it's the best seat in the house to

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Speaker 2: watch TV, or if it was food on the table,

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Speaker 2: or just beat my brothers out the door, and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's just always always fought. And then but then also too,

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Speaker 2: like my brothers from a very young age never sheltered me.

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Speaker 2: Like you know, I first started playing rugby league when

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Speaker 2: I was five years old and I was a year above,

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Speaker 2: and my brother Peter would sit on the sideline and

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Speaker 2: he'd say, see that big kid, you have to tackle him.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry about the rest of him, just tackle that. No,

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Speaker 2: this was Coffs comments.

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Speaker 1: Coffs comments.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I never played. I moved from Penrith

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Speaker 2: when I was probably I think I was like four,

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Speaker 2: and we moved up to Costs with my dad and

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Speaker 2: yeah they put me on the Coughs comments because we

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Speaker 2: lived across the road from the footy field.

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Speaker 1: So how good was that?

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Speaker 2: Though?

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Speaker 1: Like me, if you remember back in those days having

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Speaker 1: your older brothers, I don't know which.

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Speaker 2: One was he, by the way, Peter was the oldest, oldest, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how old he be. He was nine years older than

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Speaker 1: So as a young because I got four sons, and

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Speaker 1: when and I often think about that because I was

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Speaker 1: how much inspiration and aspiration did you feel? Like, so

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Speaker 2: Oh? It was. They were pretty much my driving force

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Speaker 2: for a long time. You know. It was always looking

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Speaker 1: That's pretty sophisticated thinking or mature thinking for a young

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Speaker 1: guy to start thinking about measurement, like like I'm talking

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Speaker 1: that your mum, your dad? Like who talked to you?

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Speaker 1: Who showed you that shit? Or did you just naturally

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Speaker 2: Just naturally, you know, like even even when we lived

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Speaker 1: So you moved from Coffs to move the.

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Speaker 2: Coffs back to Campbelltown right Penrith Coffs Campbelltown and then

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Speaker 2: Ballaner before moving to the Gold Coast. But yeah, like

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Speaker 2: playing under eight soccer, like no one shows me, no

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Speaker 2: one in my family. It was like you know, you've

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Speaker 2: I would ride my bike because I wanted to go

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Speaker 2: training and then learning things on the soccer field and

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Speaker 2: they would go surfing. That comes surf and I was like, no,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Or like long distance running, like I knew I

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Speaker 1: It must have been a parent's dream because most parents say,

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Speaker 2: And do that. To be honest, mum was always working,

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Speaker 1: So so I met no doubt, you know, hing because

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Speaker 1: me that after training he will practice for hours. He's

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Speaker 1: During the football season and perhaps during the off season

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Speaker 1: approached say, your serving career? Yea, is that what they

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Speaker 1: call you? Cyeball? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The boys just said I just went into a whole

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Speaker 1: You weren't aware that you went into that mode.

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Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, but that sort of you know, I

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Speaker 2: and and it wasn't until I tore my hamstring off

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Speaker 1: So you know, we have a lot of people listening

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Speaker 1: probably even as just as an athlete generally. But there's

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Speaker 1: a there's one thing to be a talent and be

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Speaker 1: like actually, and go about it in a business like way. Mindset, training, physio, diets.

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Speaker 2: It was that point at that point, that point, yeah,

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Speaker 2: so I you know, up until then, like I'd seen

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Speaker 2: and there, like more young you don't get fat. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: But then once I started doing rehab and I started learning,

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty bent out of shape, so I was learning

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Speaker 2: and you know, I thought having a a healthy meal

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Speaker 2: just never never got brought up about diet. Never learn

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Speaker 2: And so you know, through that two thousand and four

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Speaker 2: had time to learn about diet and what makes me

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Speaker 2: even times when I didn't feel extremely confident, I just

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Speaker 1: Did you ever, sus said out on Slater, did he

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Speaker 1: I look, and I don't mean he's showing weakness.

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Speaker 2: Probably both. You know, he's a competitor. Man, he's the

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Most PEO wouldn't know that because they don't

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Speaker 2: Yea. I love like, you know, you talk to rugby

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Speaker 1: How did you think about that?

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Speaker 2: a go and see what happens. And it went like

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00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:16,160
Speaker 2: the very first run were these green and gold ones

437
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: that were so ugly. And then and then it was

438
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: well they were trying to make it astraye. They had

439
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: these designers in America like all make it really strained

440
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: and yellowish. But then they started doing these, they started

441
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 2: doing college colors, and so they'd take them to all

442
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 2: the colleges in all of America with their colors, and

443
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,439
Speaker 2: they would have I don't know if you know what

444
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,479
Speaker 2: a reef girl was back in the day where it

445
00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: was a beautiful model and they were in a g

446
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 2: string bikini, and they would have the reef girls selling

447
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,960
Speaker 2: the sandals. So you can imagine college, yeah, in college,

448
00:23:55,960 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 2: so you can imagine like how you know, college frat

449
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: boys or whatever, just going in and just seeing all

450
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: all these hot chicksell and seeing it's like, I'll buy

451
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: a pair just to talk to them, you know. And

452
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 2: the people would put them on and they were they

453
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: found them just comfortable. And they're the people that just

454
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: keep going back and buying them and buying them and

455
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 2: buying them, and you know, it could be oh like

456
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 2: there could be like ten pairs deep now and it's

457
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: funny they don't even know who I am.

458
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: Oh they didn't.

459
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: N Like I see people in like now that I

460
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: go to the California and go mill America and stuff

461
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: like that, I see people wearing them I'm walking straight

462
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: past them. They wouldn't know who the hell I was.

463
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: You're thinking, is off, there's a few bob coming to

464
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 1: my way because I read somewhere You're like, there's like

465
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: been eleven million pairs sold even more. Yeah, that's mad.

466
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 1: It's mad of one little idea.

467
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: One idea. Yeah, and yeah, it's it's gone nuts and.

468
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 1: Do something like that, Mick, And you see how successful

469
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: that is. How old you've been then?

470
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: That was we released it in It's two thousand and five.

471
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: So twenty years ago. So you're like in your mid twenties.

472
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: So did you think to yourself, hang on, ear, I

473
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 1: might be able to do something with this. This is

474
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: looking pretty good. I'm now involved in this. Did you

475
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: learn something from that about what you could do outside

476
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: of surfing, but with you know, with the backdroper serving

477
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: around it?

478
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I sort of. I sort of started. That was

479
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: sort of when I started learning a little bit more about,

480
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: you know, how business works and all that kind of stuff. Like,

481
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 2: so sort of give you a quick story. You know,

482
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: I was eighteen and I was come home to mum,

483
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: and I didn't have a manager or anything at that time,

484
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: but you know, I started a deal started coming in,

485
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: and I was like, Mum, what do you think if

486
00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 2: I got a manager, And she goes, you're not getting

487
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: a manager. You're smart enough to do your own work.

488
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: And if there's anything else, I'll help you and I'll

489
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 2: teach you. Because my money managed cost rolls good. Yeah,

490
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 2: and so and so I was like, all right, yeah,

491
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: let's learn. And so I started learning, you know, what

492
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:26,680
Speaker 2: my identity was, how companies would use it brand. Yeah.

493
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, Mum was teaching me,

494
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: you know, different ways how to manage relationships and all

495
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. And then she was actually going

496
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: for a job a few years later, and she was

497
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,200
Speaker 2: really nervous about it, really anxious about it. I was like, look, Mum,

498
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: if you don't get it, come work for me, wore

499
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: And so she didn't. She didn't end up getting the job,

500
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 2: and she ended up being my manager.

501
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's so cool.

502
00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so she still does, like, you know, she'll

503
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: still look over contracts for me, she'll still do tax

504
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff with money and stuff

505
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 2: like that. And you know, I've got another manager in

506
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 2: Ronnie Blakey as well. It helps with deals, especially outside

507
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: of the surfing world. Like any deal that happens in

508
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 2: the surfing world, I just do myself, but you know,

509
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: generic brands outside of it, he's one that really helps.

510
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,680
Speaker 2: But yeah, we sort of just built the whole empire

511
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: just within ourselves and just really trusted our gut feeling

512
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 2: and like I could have gone and probably had a

513
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 2: manager and tried to swindle a few more dollars here

514
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 2: and there, but I knew deep down that I was

515
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: happy because I did the deal. Or you know, Mum

516
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: always had my back, and you know, good mate Ronnie

517
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: as well. We always really cared about what we were doing,

518
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 2: so he kept it really tight, extremely tight.

519
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: So what's interesting that from a business point of view

520
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 1: is that a lot of people do actually go out

521
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: and have mental here, manager over there, something going on

522
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: over here, and they have a whole heap of people.

523
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 1: But I always take with you too, like I like

524
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: to be sort of in partnership with someone in my family.

525
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: For every business I have, there's someone in my family

526
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,639
Speaker 1: and every business I do, and only because I can

527
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: really trust them. I don't not saying other people are trustworthy.

528
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: How important is that trust factor for you?

529
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 2: Oh, it's credible, you know, I like even when I

530
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 2: do deals now, like I'll I'll get my gut feeling,

531
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,199
Speaker 2: or I'll sit down with someone and then and then

532
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: I'll have to go and reland that back to marm

533
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: or to Ronnie and just be like, Okay, what do

534
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 2: you think and they'll give me an honest opinion, and

535
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: then I'll show them the deal and they'll be like

536
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: this sounds good. Maybe it doesn't, and and they know

537
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: my brand so well as well, so it's like all right.

538
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: Sometimes it'll be like I don't think nothing fits, or

539
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 2: there'll be things where you're like, yeah, go for it,

540
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: and so yeah, it's always you've got to have that

541
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 2: trust in the people that you're dealing with. Otherwise you're

542
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,840
Speaker 2: always question it and so you won't go into a

543
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,160
Speaker 2: deal full on yeah, and you're not going to do

544
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: the work that you want to do because you're like,

545
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 2: is this guy swimming? Yeah? You know, is this brand

546
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: just taking the piss? So so yeah, that's that trust

547
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: is a big, big factor.

548
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: It takes one of the things out of your mind

549
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: that you have to think would otherwise have to think

550
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: about every day and every minute and allows you, as

551
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: you said, to fully commit to what you're up to

552
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: in the words fully usual talent or your brand would

553
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: have happened to be that you're using to promote the business.

554
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: I can't not talk about Bolt the beer brand, because

555
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: you know, one of my good mates told me about

556
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: when you guys first started this thing off, and I'm thinking,

557
00:29:55,640 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: why the fuck did you invite me? Hinj I remember

558
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 1: when it happened like years back, and he told me

559
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: about it, and where did that idea come from? For

560
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: the beer brand? The beer business as a craft beer?

561
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I was will flying over to Hawaii for

562
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: the last event of the year in twenty fourteen and

563
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: Bee Derbage rings me and he's like super nervous. He goes,

564
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 2: I'd love to just chat to you about something, and

565
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: I was like, oh yeah, just asking is no I

566
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: want to do any person.

567
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, she had a pitch.

568
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So he he We're in the Corners Club, just

569
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: about to get on a plane Hawaii and he's like.

570
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: And what was what was he to you?

571
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Then? He was a competitor, right, but good mate onto

572
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 2: and so he's like, would you like to start a

573
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: craft beer brand? And I was at that point and

574
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, why not like, what's the worst

575
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: that can happen to get free beer for life? Right,

576
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 2: And so it sort of just started like that and

577
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 2: then and then from there it just started growing in

578
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: the sense that you know, we we had a meeting,

579
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: like Bead was like directing park again. I was like,

580
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm just telling he has to be and so we

581
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: sort of just between Bed Parker, Joshka and myself we

582
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 2: sort of had a nucleus of all right, let's start

583
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 2: hashing this out and seeing where we can take it.

584
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 2: And then we're lucky enough to go and start putting

585
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: the right people that we felt that we could trust

586
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: and to do an incredible job.

587
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 1: And so as investors or is just in terms.

588
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 2: Of operations, operations, operations as always.

589
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: First yeahs, who's the person going to build to be

590
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: a recipe?

591
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: And like yeah, Brewer. Yeah. So we started off talking

592
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: to a marketing guy in Stirling Harland who did he

593
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: did a lot of stuff for Bill Along, he did Nimble,

594
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: he did a whole bunch of different things, and you know,

595
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: I rang him and he was like, I was just

596
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: about to start my own beer website. Now you can

597
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 2: just start your own beer brand. And then from there

598
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, we're sort of looking for CEO and someone

599
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 2: who could take over the operations, and you know, I

600
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: put forward and McDonald. He was my former team manager

601
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: at red Ball and he had done everything like under

602
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 2: the Sun. We'd serve together on tour. But then he

603
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 2: you know, through all the different paths of his life.

604
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: He went from you know, knocking on people's doors as

605
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 2: a real estate agent, getting tussle, Yeah, trying to get

606
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: an ff everything every door.

607
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: By the way, that's a big skill to line.

608
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then but then also like he's lasting before

609
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 2: we nabbed him, he started his own restaurant in Cranala

610
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: and the first day he's gone to serve a coffee

611
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: and just spilt it everywhere and he's it's like, you

612
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 2: know what, this part isn't for me. I'm going to

613
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: go and do the dishes and look after the money.

614
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 2: And he would do dishes all day and that sort

615
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 2: of work ethic was sort of like I knew he

616
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: was smart enough to be better than a dish pig,

617
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: but yeah, and he was always that person that if

618
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 2: he didn't know something, he would he'd be able to

619
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: learn it with the people he was doing it. And

620
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: that was one of the big strengths through Bolta that

621
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: he did was just he was never too cocky or

622
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: never too proud to learn something. And so with that

623
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 2: sort of nucleus and another guy from the state, Sean Ronan,

624
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: with that nucleus, were able to start piecing together what

625
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: the beer brand would look.

626
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Like as enrolled. So you're because it sounds like to me, Mick,

627
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: that you and others are sitting back going, Okay, what

628
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: are all the roles we need to have? How can

629
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: we find people know and trust?

630
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah?

631
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: And why do we trust them exactly? Because they've been

632
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: through it before, They've done something and it sounds like

633
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: it's like building a chessboard nearly you know of functions.

634
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: So that's a pretty important skill. Do you ever think

635
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: in your life at some stage you've seen someone else

636
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: do that that you might have been a proxy to,

637
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: you know, you copying what they've done. How do you

638
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: know how to do that? Like as no one as

639
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: if you went into an MBA somewhere and they sort

640
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: of gave you the theory on all the shit.

641
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 2: Well, it's sort of It sort of just came back

642
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: to how I did my career as a surfer. Know,

643
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: I was the main chess piece, and I'd be like, well,

644
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: how do I who do I bring in? What part

645
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 2: of my team do I need to make me better?

646
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 2: And so it was almost.

647
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: Like being the king on a chessboard and how do

648
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: I protect the king?

649
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: Yeah? Or even even simpler than that, it's like being

650
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: a footy coach. Yeah, how am I going to be

651
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: build the best footy team and get us to the top?

652
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: Or and so once I found business to be very

653
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 2: similar to how I treated my serving career.

654
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can see that. And it's funny too, because

655
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: you were sort of, let's call it the leader, one

656
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: of the leaders leading the business, like leading the ideas

657
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: and leading the business. But it's more like you've got

658
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 1: people to follow you. And I don't mean that in

659
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: a subserving way, but you had the ability to somehow

660
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: get people to buy into the idea, buy into what

661
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: you guys are doing, buy into the whole thing. I mean,

662
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,400
Speaker 1: how do you see leadership versus because leadership is a

663
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: funny concepts and people some people think leaders Oh, I

664
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: got to be striding and I've got to move forward

665
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: and everybody's going to you know, be my you know,

666
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: part of my motivation and I'm going to inspire them.

667
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: But other people that lead by example and or by inspiration,

668
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: what was your style leadership?

669
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 2: I was always I would never ask someone to do

670
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 2: something that I wouldn't.

671
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: Do, because I mean, you've got to be prepared to everything.

672
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and whatever takes, whatever it takes. But also too,

673
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: I know there's better people in different areas.

674
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: So you knew your strengths and weaknesses.

675
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm comfortable enough in my own skin to

676
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 2: say I'm actually really bad at that. Yeah, I know

677
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: you can do it. And so as being you know,

678
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: we always had this thing in Bolta that no one's

679
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: bigger than anyone else everyone, you know, there's no egos whatsoever.

680
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 2: And like the first night that we opened, you know,

681
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: staff wanted to go home or whatever was there, and

682
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 2: I was like, no one was cleaning the floor, So

683
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 2: I just grabbed them off and just started mopping the floor,

684
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 2: you know, And that's you know, when.

685
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: But you do that to show them that you were

686
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: prepared to do that, or you just thought, no, that's

687
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: that's a job that needs to be done, job that

688
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: needs to be done. But you're aware of the fact

689
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 1: that people will be watching you and that no, just

690
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: so you won't try and be affectatious because some people

691
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 1: do that to put on a show. Yeah, you just

692
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: thought there's a job needs be done. Because all these

693
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: things come back to he you got brought up what

694
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: you're like as a kid, where you know what the

695
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: sort of shit your mom and dad may you do

696
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: as a kid. What do you have to do jobs?

697
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: You got to go and do this that some people

698
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: never experience that stuff and they feel quite awkward with

699
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: doing that as they get older, and especially in business,

700
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: like you said, your mate, it's prepared to be the

701
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: dish peak even though you owned the business. Decide I'm

702
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: not going to be in front of the house. I've

703
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: got to be back house because I'm oplus at the front.

704
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: Strengths and weaknesses, but that that humbleness as well.

705
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Humility is so important like that as a service. Did

706
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: you realize what you're strong at and what you're weak at?

707
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: Yes?

708
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: Because remember I remember Jack Gibson telling me many many

709
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: years ago when he was alive. He said, to my son,

710
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: you've got to train to your strengths and practice your

711
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 1: weaknesses and basically write them all out and what you're

712
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: good at and be honest do in front of somebody.

713
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: So when you were surfing, what when you went to

714
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: say to go to the gym, did you decide, well,

715
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: I'm really good on a boty man turn. I can

716
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: really get on the rails pretty hard. I'm not going

717
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: to build my legs aboard buil whatever muscles you need

718
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: to do that sort of stuff.

719
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: Is that?

720
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: Did you go through your strengths and weaknesses?

721
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,760
Speaker 2: I used to have lists everywhere. Wow, And did.

722
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: You test him against other people? You say to someone

723
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: this what I think my strengths weakness.

724
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: Yes, I'd always I'll be back and forth like and

725
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 2: talking to my team or whatever and say hey, Like

726
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: there was one thing that I always did well with

727
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 2: my coach was he would give me something. I'm like, look,

728
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 2: i'm not sure it's going to work. I'll go and

729
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: try it, but I don't think it's going to work.

730
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: And if I was proven wrong, I was like, all right,

731
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: you're right. And if I was proven right, I'm like,

732
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 2: maybe we can tweak it a little bit here and there.

733
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 2: So that was you know, he he was a great

734
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: sounding boarder in that sort of thing. But also too,

735
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 2: you know, you talk about doing in front of someone.

736
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: I don't think there's no other person except looking in

737
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 2: the mirror. And because you can't lie to yourself, you

738
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: know when you're lying, Like if I look in the

739
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: mirror and go, I'm the best there earlist in the world,

740
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 2: the person in the mirror is going, You're an idiot.

741
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, grow up. And also probably probably in the surfing

742
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: community in particular, they're pretty honest. Like people going to say,

743
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: you know that people are bullshit you because that's not

744
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 1: the territory. It's not like like in business, I don't

745
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: want to bag investment bankers. But if I've been involved

746
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: in these worlds and a lot of times people talk shit.

747
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: They actually tell you what they think you want to hear.

748
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: Whereas your world, your community pretty honest.

749
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very honest. But also too you you've got

750
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: the media right there too.

751
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, the media is honest. Pull your pants down in

752
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: a second.

753
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. And so you read these things and you know

754
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 2: some things you're like, actually I don't agree with that,

755
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: but then there's other things like you know you're right

756
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 2: and then and use that motivation to prove them wrong.

757
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: So when you had the you and the team were

758
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: built like you guys sort of put the team together

759
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: and you thought yourself, well, I got most of the elements,

760
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: and you probably put a bit of initial capital into

761
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: it because you've got to working capital. People got to

762
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 1: get paid, you got to pay rent and these of that.

763
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: How did you go about pitching it to raise money?

764
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 1: Because I know you raised money, So how how did

765
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: you go about that? Did you find it a professional?

766
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: Did you say to somebody, I'll pay you five percent

767
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: food to go and raise ten million dollars or five

768
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: million dollars or to get this thing up and running

769
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: and contunity at scale in the begin game in Booze

770
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: you got to get scale. Yeah, how did you go

771
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: about doing the pitch?

772
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: It's pretty much just us between the team's gone and

773
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: talking to people mates, yeah, and just saying, hey, this

774
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: is what we believe in. This is how we see it,

775
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 2: and you know this is this is like the rates

776
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: and everything that we think will be working, and you

777
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: know this is our dream is to pay you back

778
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: this time.

779
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: And so did you have a formula at that stage

780
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: for the beer is going to taste?

781
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: Like? So before we got to that point, we actually

782
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 2: nailed our brewer down and you know, talking about pitch

783
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 2: to try and get someone like we understood. We were

784
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 2: all sort of very aware that we could go and

785
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: make this a full media ploy and the beer could

786
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: taste absolute shit. But the thing in the beer world

787
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 2: you want someone to come back for a second. And

788
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: so we knew we had to get an incredible brewer.

789
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: Did you know the taste you want?

790
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: No? Like, to be honest, before I even went down

791
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 2: this world of craft beer, I was like every other

792
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 2: estrange drink into his new four x and just your

793
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: generic and so it was like, once we were like

794
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: we're going to go down the craft beer world, it's

795
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 2: like all right, well I'm going to go to a

796
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: fridge and I'm going to start tasting this, this and

797
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 2: this and be like all right, well I like that beer.

798
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 2: I like that beer. And yeah we as I said, look,

799
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: we found the brewer and trying to pitch to him,

800
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: like will you come and work for us, and he's

801
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: just looking at four surfers and he's like, these guys

802
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 2: are just doing the money grap this is I don't

803
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 2: want any to be a part of it. And he

804
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: wouldn't do and say anything. And if it wasn't for

805
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: his wife, saying, this is your dream to go at

806
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 2: start a brewery, go and do it. I don't know

807
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 2: if we would have had him. And then once like

808
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: we knew how to do the whole front of house,

809
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 2: the back of house, we just said, here's your canvas,

810
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 2: go for it, go nuts. And what he's built is

811
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: he had the dream from day one. He would draw

812
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: crop circles and you know, pots and pans all in

813
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: concrete on on the and it was just from where

814
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: like I remember vividly seeing those drawings and to what

815
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 2: he's built now was just incredible. And and so once

816
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 2: we started doing the pictures, he had a whole bunch

817
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: of different beers that he already had and he brought

818
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: these one over and everyone had the same sip of

819
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 2: the exact same beer, and everyone's that's it. It's the Palle.

820
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: That's the beer, the Pallel, yes, the XBA, and we

821
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: knew it and.

822
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 1: Did you decide there? And then what was going to

823
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 1: look like? I mean in terms of packaging, because it

824
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: was a bit different to normal bit beer is usually

825
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: pretty blokey and this one was I don't know what

826
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 1: The green is sort of a bluey green color on

827
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,400
Speaker 1: the on the I'm talking about the can. Yes, it

828
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,239
Speaker 1: was sort of a bit unusual, nearly not feminine, but

829
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,080
Speaker 1: like having a bit of a femine appeal.

830
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're not blokey no. So so going into that,

831
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 2: like as I said, I hadn't been in the half

832
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 2: world before, and so I'm going into the fridges and

833
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: seeing all these different craft beers and to me, it

834
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: just looked so hard to distinguish what beer was, what

835
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: what brand lived in, what brand. So I'm like to

836
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 2: the team, hey, why don't we.

837
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: Just do a white can and just one color?

838
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: One color? Do a white can so when it sits

839
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 2: in the shelf, it just pops because everything else is

840
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 2: so busy and crazy. And then yeah, and then Sterling

841
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: when he was designing it and stuff like that, he's like,

842
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 2: all right, we're going to put this color at the bottom.

843
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 2: And I was like, I thought, we're just doing a

844
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: white can, and you know, I just want a white can.

845
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: And he's like, trust me, you're going to have all

846
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: these different flavors and imagine the can's pulling on board shorts. Yeah,

847
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:54,840
Speaker 2: and each flavor is a different pair of board shorts.

848
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: And from that moment I got it and I was like,

849
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: you're right. And now you go in and you see

850
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 2: the fridges, you know exactly which can a bolt can

851
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,720
Speaker 2: because it's white, and then it's got the board shorts

852
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 2: at the bottom.

853
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: I can pick it straight away, especially when I see

854
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: the parallel. That's the one I drink when I drink,

855
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: which is not often these days, but yeah, and I

856
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: actually really love the taste of it. And your investors,

857
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: obviously everybody did very well because you know it's probably

858
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 1: well known now and it's been out the media, but

859
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: you know, you guys sold for a large of the

860
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: money to A.

861
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: C. B. And then.

862
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,919
Speaker 1: And then of course then there was some murn out

863
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: and overtimekus Gins keeps telling me about it, just to

864
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: rub it in. But you've done very well, but in

865
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: terms of increasing volumes and in the early days, one

866
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: of the things he told me is that you guys

867
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 1: opened up like a bar or something. It was it

868
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: a corumbinous.

869
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got tap house there. So where where the

870
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: actual first original brewery is, We've got a tap house

871
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 2: and go and try not only the ones that we

872
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 2: sell like out in the public, but there's a whole

873
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: bunch of different flavors.

874
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: In those days, people used to be able to go there

875
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: and have a drink on a Friday night or.

876
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: Something like that.

877
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know, he's to go up there all

878
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: the time. He's just tell me. And that was a

879
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: bit of a I think, a bit of a struggle

880
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: genius because people are going to go there, have a beer,

881
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: and they're going to go and tell their mates about it.

882
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: How much did actually how much did you need to

883
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: rely on your own socials? Do you have to rely

884
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: on that much in Joel's because both are pretty big socials.

885
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: It was only just at the start, you know, we

886
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: all sort of looked at each other and said, let's

887
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 2: let the beer be the hero.

888
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, very clever.

889
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 2: And so being the face of the beer was never

890
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 2: really you know, we're not going to put our face

891
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: up next to your beer. Was always the beer always

892
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 2: came first. And so you know, when when we started

893
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: opening up and we had the tap room open, it

894
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 2: was it was so cool, Like even to this day,

895
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: it's such a diverse group of people that come in,

896
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: Like we had horses out the front some days, and

897
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 2: then you know, you'd have older people, you have young

898
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 2: crew that would have a few drinks before they wanted

899
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 2: to go out, and so it was a really diverse

900
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: crowd that.

901
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: Would have and they'd all take it back and spread

902
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: the word.

903
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, come try this beer. It's only at

904
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 2: this spot or it's only at that spot. Yeah, And

905
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: so that's sort of how it started growing. And then

906
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 2: were lucky enough that we had you know, different crew

907
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 2: and different investors from Melbourne that had you know, the

908
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: sand Hill Road group, you know, different different bars in Sydney,

909
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 2: and so you're sort of growing that way. But it

910
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: was a lot of it is just going up and

911
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: just having that relationship with whoever owns the bar, and

912
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 2: so yeah, you're start growing that way until you start

913
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 2: taking real estate away from the big guys and then

914
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,960
Speaker 2: they're like, hang on, they're stealing.

915
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: Our stealing our mark, yeah, market chase.

916
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. So they're either they either try and squash you

917
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 2: or that buy you.

918
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it can be one or the other. Yes,

919
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: I mean timing is pretty important on these things, you know,

920
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: because but like I've always wanted to tell you that

921
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was a really fantastic in terms of timing,

922
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 1: a really fantastic way you took advantage of the timing

923
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: and ultimately sold it.

924
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 2: But the whole.

925
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Process was really well executed. And you know, most people

926
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: don't know it that you know, you're the guy, one

927
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 1: of the guys behind and initial guys behind this particular

928
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: brand that ended up in the hands of Asahi, which

929
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: is one of the world's largest today have beer brand owners.

930
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that you're, as you said that, in

931
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: terms of building a good team. These are things that

932
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: you sort of thought of when you thinks you experienced

933
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:56,760
Speaker 1: as a sofar like and leadership, followship and yeah, they trust.

934
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: Is like all these themes keep coming out in your life.

935
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: Can I turn slightly differently to well, most people don't

936
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 1: know about you, but I happen to know a bit

937
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: about is that you have become quite a charitable guy.

938
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't mean in a charity sense, but quite a

939
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: giving person. And I remember, and I know these things

940
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: not through research. I just remember, as Gingel tells me everything.

941
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: I remember these days when the floods were up at Lismore,

942
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 1: and you know, it was just around the COVID period.

943
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 1: I remember David ringing me up and saying mate, So

944
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 1: I said, what are you doing? He said, I wouldn't

945
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: believe it. He said, you know, the floods, no one's

946
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: got internet. Mick Fannings ring up, Mick doing McK doings

947
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: that lend him the helicopter or something that they're all

948
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: there with jet skis going down the river, rescue on people,

949
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: rescue on dogs. And somehow he told me that you

950
00:49:56,280 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: managed it. Whether it's true or not, but get in

951
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: contact with musk or Muscus people, Elon musters people and

952
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: got starlink to install the internet. Is that true?

953
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: It was such a wild time that whole, that whole

954
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 2: flood period. Like I went from why northern?

955
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 1: Why why the Northern rivers? And why did you get involved?

956
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: Because you weren't living in Northern rivers?

957
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 2: You were so we where we are on the Goldie

958
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: like Tweed was pretty much the first safe point from

959
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 2: from how much flooded, right, you know, I went from

960
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: Tweed all the way down to you know, broad Water,

961
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: Cora Kai and so how so how it all came

962
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 2: about was, you know, Parker went down the river on

963
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 2: his jet ski with a mate and they were late.

964
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: We're just going to go down and have a look

965
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 2: just to see how bad it is or whatever. I

966
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: don't don't even exactly know why he jumped on the

967
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 2: ski and decided to go. No, he was in. He

968
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: just went down the Tweed River down to like Cinder,

969
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 2: down towards like Merbarway, and he went down and I

970
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 2: think he was just thinking he was just going to

971
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 2: check it out and see how wild it was. Next

972
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 2: thing he knows, he said, he got probably like anywhere

973
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: between ten twenty people out of houses, and he was

974
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: out there all day and he came home and that

975
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:37,040
Speaker 2: afternoon and he was like, guys, this is what happened.

976
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 2: I think we need to go back down tomorrow. And

977
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 2: sure enough we're on a thread with all the boys,

978
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 2: and within two minutes we had six jet skis on

979
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: the water ready to go for the next morning. And

980
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 2: first day went down and it was it was wide.

981
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 2: It was so wild, like going through Chinder. We started

982
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: off at Tweed and we went down Chinder and going

983
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 2: through the campgrounds and you could just smell the gas

984
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: well and you're like things could just pop off, like

985
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 2: it was like going through a minefield. And then just

986
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 2: kept going up the river, up the river, up the river,

987
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: and just ended up just in all kinds of places,

988
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 2: checking in on people, shifting people from one house to

989
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 2: another house, getting people from a house that was still rising,

990
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: like the water was still rising, and getting into safety.

991
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: And then what happened, Like we were on the skis

992
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 2: and we were you know, doing all the groundwork once

993
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: that were there, But then our wives and our partners

994
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 2: were back at Tweed and they were like they started

995
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 2: getting calls and stuff like that, we need more fuel,

996
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 2: we need food, we need water to get to these people.

997
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 2: And so they set up this central hub just that

998
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 2: Tweed River and people were just coming and just dropping

999
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 2: stuff off, if you know, whatever they could because places

1000
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 2: were wiped out. And then yeah, it was just the

1001
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: community just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And

1002
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: my side of it was, you know, first day I

1003
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 2: was on the ski, I was on the ski for

1004
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 2: two days. First I did like chinder at Timbolgum and

1005
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 2: then the next day got up to Merber and you

1006
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,279
Speaker 2: get up to Merba and the police are standing there

1007
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,320
Speaker 2: and they're like, we have no resources, we can't get anywhere,

1008
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 2: we don't know what to do.

1009
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't have Jessica's.

1010
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: So we were able to get boats up full of food,

1011
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: full of fuel, full of water. So they could go

1012
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 2: and deliver it to where it needed to be. We

1013
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: had fuel for the main hospital there, so the generators

1014
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 2: could work. You know, there was people that needed blood

1015
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: would be able to fly him up and down the

1016
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: river so people, you know, didn't die. And then medication

1017
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. And then and then.

1018
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: Because a lot of the roads are closed off, the

1019
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: loads of trees and stuff just wiped out gone. Because

1020
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: most people don't realize how bad it was.

1021
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: It was. It was like I was taking photos of

1022
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 2: things and.

1023
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: I made on Tommy he saw a cow. I'm not

1024
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm not imagining this. He's an excavator and the council

1025
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: got him to come up with his excavator a cow

1026
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:40,320
Speaker 1: stuck up in a tree, like dead sitting in a tree.

1027
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 2: And that would have been one of hundreds. Yeah, you know,

1028
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: we went went down and there's a cow on a

1029
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 2: two story roof to sit in there. Because it's the

1030
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 2: only dry land within a couple of hundred. Like a

1031
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: cow got washed out at around bub Beach like it was.

1032
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: It was wild. It was it was like full warzon't

1033
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: and these people had nothing, and so it just went

1034
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,279
Speaker 2: from it just sort of escalated from that and then,

1035
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,560
Speaker 2: like as I said that, our partners and the people

1036
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: that couldn't get on the water, they were sort of

1037
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: organizing everything at the docks and sitting there. And then

1038
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,759
Speaker 2: people started learning that we were doing that, and so

1039
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: they would just send a message to them, can you

1040
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 2: get to this address and I need either food or

1041
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 2: I need medication, or I need water, or I just

1042
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:38,760
Speaker 2: need to get out of here. And so we would

1043
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: just be getting realayed text messages from our community and

1044
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 2: you just go and show up. And then it just

1045
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: got bigger and bigger and bigger. And then luckily our

1046
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: friends had this big warehouse in Corumbin and there were

1047
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 2: like trucks coming in, cars coming in, dropping all kinds

1048
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: of stuff off, going straight on trucks, loading it and

1049
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: going to as far as we possibly could. And then

1050
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:06,879
Speaker 2: they would load up on the jet skis and get

1051
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: to these different addresses, and it was it was incredible

1052
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 2: what like a small community like could do. Like you know,

1053
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 2: we talk about devastation and all that kind of stuff.

1054
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 2: What the what this community did. And I still, like,

1055
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: I still get thanked by people and they're like, thank you,

1056
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 2: you help my mom. And this is years later, and.

1057
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: It was twenty two.

1058
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: It was twenty two and you started twenty two and

1059
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 2: I still see people and they're like and still people

1060
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 2: are not vible in their homes. Yeah, yeah, you know,

1061
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: still fighting for their lives.

1062
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 1: And and you run a charity for this now.

1063
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I run charity golf Day now because once

1064
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 2: a year, yeah, once a year, just that coolly tweet.

1065
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 2: And we've raised just over two million bucks in a

1066
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 2: few years.

1067
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: And that's to help just.

1068
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 2: To help people that still need help in these areas.

1069
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 2: So it might be youth, or it might be housing,

1070
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 2: but then also people that still need help on the

1071
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 2: sense of you know, they still don't have a fridge

1072
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 2: or you know, I spoke to one lady and she

1073
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: only had her first shower indoors just before Christmas.

1074
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: No, yes, last year, last year, well two years before

1075
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 1: she had a shower indoors indoors. And people don't realize

1076
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: how bad the combination issue is either it.

1077
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 2: Was horrible and because these are like some of the

1078
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 2: I think it's like some of the poorest social economic

1079
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: places in Australia. They don't have money, they don't have

1080
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 2: ten around to go and fix this, or that they

1081
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 2: don't have thirty grand to rebuild a house. And so

1082
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: you know, once you're going through all these places and

1083
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,600
Speaker 2: you see that, you're like, I have to do more. Yeah,

1084
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: you know, I have to. I have to give back

1085
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: until the job's actually done. And so that's where we started.

1086
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: You know, Choppers is just standing out here like we

1087
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 2: were just joking around, like how do we do this?

1088
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 2: And everyone plays golf right, But sort of to get

1089
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: back to your story about the Starlink was, I'm in

1090
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 2: a meeting with the community and they're like, they're like,

1091
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: can someone tweet Elil mask and ask for some starlinks?

1092
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't know how it works,

1093
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: Like I'm just I've got a Twitter account. I'll just

1094
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,000
Speaker 2: stroll out there, you know. And so I just tweeted,

1095
00:58:33,560 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: and within probably an hour, Chris Hamsworth rings me up.

1096
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 2: He was overseas at the time and he goes, he

1097
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe it. My manager's best friend is the CEO

1098
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 2: of starlink Wow. And within two hours I was on

1099
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 2: the phone to her and she's like, I can get you.

1100
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:58,160
Speaker 2: I think it was ten or twenty starlings and she

1101
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,280
Speaker 2: had them and we were able to get them to places,

1102
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 2: so people could communicate connect it yeah and say I'm

1103
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 2: safe or you know, and then like yeah flying yeah,

1104
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 2: Rand mcdollon and can't borry a helicopter, I'll pay for

1105
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: the fuel or and we're just hiring helicopters and it's

1106
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 2: like people would be landing and they hadn't seen anyone

1107
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 2: or heard anything for a week, like they were just

1108
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: so excluded from the world. It was. It was wild.

1109
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 2: So yeah, we're sort of It's one thing that you

1110
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 2: just Yeah, you start a job and you just want

1111
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 2: to make sure you finish it because you know there

1112
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,479
Speaker 2: are people out there doing it, and yeah, we're still

1113
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 2: trying to help me.

1114
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: Do you ever think to yourself, we're just listening to you.

1115
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: Some of the you do big things. You've done something

1116
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: world titles, you know, massive beer business, and I'm not

1117
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,480
Speaker 1: sort of trying to elevate those things above all the

1118
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,439
Speaker 1: small things you do. But then you did the you

1119
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: help with the Northern Rivers campaign and you're still out

1120
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: there raising money running a charity for it, or you

1121
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: and others. Do you ever think to yourself or scratch

1122
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: your head and say, a lot of these things have

1123
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: been successful in terms of the objective based on the

1124
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: community that I was able to be part of. So

1125
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,960
Speaker 1: the Northern Rivers community or pull together, you know, your

1126
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: original Balks community, be it employees or investors, or your customers,

1127
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: your original customers consumers. Then you're surfing community. You know,

1128
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: you tapped into that and found out what you're good at,

1129
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: and hey, it can be better. Do you ever think

1130
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: to yourself that about the power of really strong communities

1131
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 1: as they affect your life, have affected.

1132
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,480
Speaker 2: Your life day, I would not be in a situation

1133
01:00:55,640 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 2: I am without my community. But also too, I wouldn't

1134
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: be mentally strong or you know, mentally well if it

1135
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: wasn't for my community.

1136
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 1: And you've got a few communities somewhere interspersed, but nonetheless

1137
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,520
Speaker 1: you've got different communities around the joint. And you're only

1138
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 1: a young young man. You're probably a long way to

1139
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: go in that regard. I mean, you're going to have

1140
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 1: lots of them by the time you to say, you know,

1141
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 1: you're sixties, but you will hopefully.

1142
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: I don't forget everyone, but look, I probably probably the

1143
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 2: most pivotal point when I realized how powerful community is

1144
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: and how much I love the people that surround me,

1145
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 2: was you know, when my first brother, Sean passed away.

1146
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 1: How old were you?

1147
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 2: I was seventeen, Yeah, seventeen, sixteen, seventeen, and like I

1148
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 2: was really struggling, like when you passed away, Yeah, like

1149
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,240
Speaker 2: I was. I wouldn't go out of the house, wouldn't

1150
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: you know? I was in my room dark?

1151
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: Was he the oldest brother the youngest was.

1152
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 2: The brother was just above me, three years older. He

1153
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 2: was like he was really we were really close and

1154
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: and and I remember it so clearly that I couldn't

1155
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 2: get out of the house. I didn't want to leave.

1156
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:25,360
Speaker 2: I didn't want to see anyone. I couldn't even you know,

1157
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 2: I didn't even want to take the dog for a

1158
01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: while because I was so like someone would say I'm

1159
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: sorry or this or that, and I was just I

1160
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 2: couldn't deal with it. And I remember a whole bunch

1161
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 2: of mates to shove my door at once at once well,

1162
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: and they were all in their book, got their wet suits,

1163
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 2: had their boards and then coming stain. Yeah, and like

1164
01:02:53,440 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 2: get emotional about it now. But without without them, I

1165
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:03,680
Speaker 2: knows where I would have ended up. Yeah, who knows?

1166
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: I could have been the fucking local piece head and

1167
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: so and that that keeps coming back to me. That's

1168
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 2: a thing, that's a thing that keeps that. But so

1169
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 2: like if I always feel like someone in my community

1170
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: needs me, all they do is call.

1171
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: Do do you feel as though in some respects that

1172
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: event in your life has sort of gone full circle?

1173
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: And now what Mi's doing now was mix actually helping

1174
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,600
Speaker 1: and or building bigger communities who will help each other,

1175
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: similar to that your little community when you're seventeen, come

1176
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 1: and sort of got you out of the got you

1177
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: out of a funk, and sort of got you back

1178
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: out into back into the water where it's sort of

1179
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 1: can be pretty meditated when you're surfing, but get you

1180
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:51,080
Speaker 1: into the right frame of mind. Do you do you

1181
01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 1: feel as though it's like a full circle in some respects?

1182
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: Or is that a pay like a pay forward for.

1183
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:56,720
Speaker 2: Amost paid forward?

1184
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,240
Speaker 1: Pay forward? Wheah? Yeah, And because we have these events

1185
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: in our lives and I read it for a reason.

1186
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure, I think you know who

1187
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 2: As I said, I don't know how my life would

1188
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 2: have shaped up like I sit here with you today

1189
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 2: and you know we've talked about all these different things.

1190
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: There is no way when I was born in Penrith

1191
01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 2: that was my roadmap, you know. Yeah, and so like

1192
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 2: as I said, I'm extremely grateful for where I am

1193
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 2: and and but.

1194
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:29,959
Speaker 1: Would community one of the things you're most grateful for?

1195
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think. I think people together, people looking out

1196
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 2: for each other is so powerful, so powerful, you know,

1197
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 2: and you know, I know people get bogged down and

1198
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 2: politics and all this kind of stuff, but I think

1199
01:04:49,400 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 2: just people in general, they just want to do good.

1200
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 2: And when you put a lot of people that want

1201
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 2: to do good together, extraordinary things happen.

1202
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. It's funny, you know, because when you

1203
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,560
Speaker 1: look at all the modern marketing literature today, he talks

1204
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: about community, community, community for business, you know, build your community,

1205
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: you know, whether you do it through TikTok or Instagram,

1206
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 1: whatever is. But they talk about these things, which are

1207
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's really brilliant, but it's actually quite

1208
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: basic and fundamental how the human being works. We work

1209
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 1: best whether it's a community of five or six when

1210
01:05:21,120 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 1: you're seventeen or thousands trying to help you out with

1211
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: the golf days and everything else. You do it for

1212
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 1: the Northern rivers. Yeah, it's the same deal. I never

1213
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 1: really thought about it myself until now you've sort of

1214
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: poked it and poked me in that regarding communities for

1215
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,960
Speaker 1: me is also really really bloody important.

1216
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: But even in business, same it's exactly the same. Like

1217
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:46,440
Speaker 2: if you like, you know, you're talking about people coming

1218
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: and having a beer. Like even in your world, if

1219
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,120
Speaker 2: you treat one customer bad, yeah, he's going to tell

1220
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: someone else, aren't they, And then it's going to ripple effects.

1221
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: So you've got to be very genuine. I feel like

1222
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 2: you've got to be very genuine in the sense that

1223
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: you've got to be honest and you've got to treat

1224
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 2: people the way they want to be treated and something

1225
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 2: that some people.

1226
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,840
Speaker 1: That dickhead that shouldn't be treated that happens.

1227
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I think for the general population people

1228
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: can see through most people.

1229
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:18,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, most people well meaning to they come up to

1230
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: you in the street, now you're mic fan. Can I

1231
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: get a photo? And that sort of stuff would happen.

1232
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: You've got to do it, like because most of me

1233
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,160
Speaker 1: just want a photo. There's no big deal.

1234
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's it's true.

1235
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: True. So you mentioned your brother died, your youngest brother

1236
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:39,080
Speaker 1: or the one closest to you in age, but your

1237
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: other two brothers have passed away too. I mean, out

1238
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: of the five kids, is only you and your sister

1239
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 1: still alive. It's pretty hectic, extremely Yeah, it's like I mean,

1240
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 1: I got a brother, so I just can't imagine it.

1241
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: How do you deal with it? Is it a daily thing?

1242
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: Or do you sort of you talk to them, like

1243
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: do you feel as though you have a connection with them?

1244
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: Like my mother and father both died the last couple

1245
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: of years, and I still talk to my father and

1246
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: mother every night. Yeah, just just have a word to him,

1247
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: you know, or sometimes when I'm driving home. And the

1248
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 1: old days, when I was of the oldest coup two

1249
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: years ago, I thring my parents every night. And I

1250
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,000
Speaker 1: have worked mainly because I knew if I spoke to

1251
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: my mom, you know, like I could say momal home,

1252
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: so I didn't have to keep talking anymore. But now

1253
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: I sometimes think to myself, I just wouldn't be good

1254
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:36,560
Speaker 1: to talk to mom or dad, and sometimes I just

1255
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: do that. I actually say, okay, fuck it, I'll just

1256
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:41,480
Speaker 1: talk to them. Do you how do you feel about

1257
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: losing your other two brothers as well? And do you

1258
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: how do you communicate?

1259
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:44,600
Speaker 2: Do you?

1260
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1261
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:53,280
Speaker 2: Look, I've always sort of been in this belief that

1262
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,160
Speaker 2: the the energy stays within the universe. Yeah, I agree

1263
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 2: with that, and I feel like their their spirit or

1264
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 2: their soul is still around. And especially like when I

1265
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: was meditating a lot or focusing and getting really quiet,

1266
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 2: there were times where I felt that with me, and

1267
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 2: they all have a different they all have a different

1268
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 2: way they make me feel.

1269
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm really all three.

1270
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 2: And so I sort of know when one of them's

1271
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 2: here or there. But then, like as you said, you

1272
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 2: might be driving and you'll see something you just have

1273
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,200
Speaker 2: a memory pop up and you get sucker punched with

1274
01:08:39,280 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 2: emotion and you are balling down the highway. But I

1275
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, but then they've left legacies as well,

1276
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 2: in the sense that you know, family or friends and

1277
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: they see these people, and you know, a lot of

1278
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:03,760
Speaker 2: people come up and they want to sort of, you know,

1279
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,200
Speaker 2: express their emotions. Sometimes it's really hard, like do you

1280
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 2: put on pity or do you put on that? For me,

1281
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 2: I just want to celebrate them. I want to celebrate

1282
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 2: like if my brother wasn't here, I wouldn't know you

1283
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:21,360
Speaker 2: or us versus say sort of just celebrate that. And

1284
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:24,679
Speaker 2: there's so many incredible memories that I want to live

1285
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: with and just want to Yeah, I guess keep telling

1286
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: their story. And sorry, I don't think someone's trying to

1287
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 2: as managers.

1288
01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:43,679
Speaker 1: You keep telling, you want to keep telling this story

1289
01:09:43,720 --> 01:09:45,920
Speaker 1: because like their story is important to be told. For sure,

1290
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: that's your story too.

1291
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,160
Speaker 2: Yes, And a lot of people live live through their

1292
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 2: memory as well. You know, they see you and remember

1293
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 2: that time. How funny was that? And so yeah, I

1294
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: just try and celebrate celebrate who they are.

1295
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: It's very cerebral though, Mick that that's that's quite intellectual.

1296
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's sort of fairly deep. I mean, I'm

1297
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm glad you like that because a lot of

1298
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,920
Speaker 1: people get We get like that as we get older.

1299
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 2: A lot.

1300
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 1: I wasn't like that at your age, but definitely as

1301
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: I got older, I think more like that. It's it's

1302
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,400
Speaker 1: very very thoughtful, like I don't mean in a good

1303
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: boy type thing, I mean thoughtful and intense thought. And

1304
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, because most people say he's made a lot

1305
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: of money, he's world champion, you know, he's got everything,

1306
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: beautiful family, look at his life now, but most peop

1307
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't accredit you with looking back at yourself and who

1308
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,640
Speaker 1: Mick Fanning is and who Mick Fanning's who makes up

1309
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,759
Speaker 1: Mick Fanning? Like and because we are all I reckon

1310
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:49,920
Speaker 1: is we're all productive everything that we grew up around,

1311
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: not just what we've done today. Like you and you

1312
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: grow up with your brothers and your sister and your

1313
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,759
Speaker 1: mum and your dad, Like you're all of those things.

1314
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 1: Mick Fanning is all those things. He's not just McK

1315
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: fanning the guy I won the world title three times,

1316
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,759
Speaker 1: that's not it. Another guy who took I mean Joel

1317
01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: said you took the one title of him when he

1318
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 1: was able to compete. We asked him what he would

1319
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: like what he would like me to ask you. But

1320
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:17,440
Speaker 1: it's not just about that. There are a little transactions

1321
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:21,160
Speaker 1: happened along the way, But really you're the some of

1322
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,520
Speaker 1: all those other things.

1323
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. And I think you know, like

1324
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: probably the easiest way to explain is, you know, we're

1325
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:35,280
Speaker 2: talking about building a team, right, yeah, but you do

1326
01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:38,240
Speaker 2: that in life as well, where you know, you might

1327
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 2: see someone and you're like, oh man, he looks great

1328
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: and that shirt. I'm going to get that shirt. And

1329
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: it's sort of it's taking little bits and pieces of

1330
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: everything and everyone you see or everyone you meet and

1331
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 2: you're adapting little parts, but do yeah, and building your

1332
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:58,680
Speaker 2: own puzzle in a sense.

1333
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: Because you said that earlier bit when you were talking

1334
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: to people when you were starting to be in the

1335
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: pro pro surfing world. You said that earlier. Actually, you

1336
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,639
Speaker 1: said that I would go and talk to arious people

1337
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:09,720
Speaker 1: and I would take from them something out of that

1338
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: that might be good for me in terms of my career.

1339
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: And we still do that even when we're older, subconsciously, subconsciously,

1340
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: and it works. It's always worth for you anyway. And

1341
01:12:20,360 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: so if I by the way, I did mention your

1342
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:28,000
Speaker 1: wife and children. So anyone listening to this right now,

1343
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,920
Speaker 1: I think you know you're sitting here as a single

1344
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: black you have a wife and children. Do you want

1345
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:33,439
Speaker 1: to talk to me about that?

1346
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 2: So?

1347
01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 1: How important are they in your life today?

1348
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:37,759
Speaker 2: Incredible? That's why I was late.

1349
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: Skate lessons for one of your kids.

1350
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So look, look I I cherished them, like,

1351
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 2: oh the like my wife and my kids, Like I'll

1352
01:12:56,600 --> 01:13:00,559
Speaker 2: do anything for them. And you know, I guess.

1353
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: Do they travel with you and stuff?

1354
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, well we don't travel a whole lot anymore.

1355
01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:10,559
Speaker 2: Like I sort of look at myself as I just

1356
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: want to be dad, and you know, everything everything else

1357
01:13:15,960 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 2: happens around that, like if the kids need me or this,

1358
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: or my.

1359
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: Wife needs me, that's the center of your universe.

1360
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like they come first, even in my own world,

1361
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 2: like I come last.

1362
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 1: Like in those fours, I'm last, and you're happy with

1363
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 1: that that.

1364
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm totally fine. Yeah, Like I've had a big life.

1365
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I want to be there and I want

1366
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: to just make sure that whatever way they want to go,

1367
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: one end of a thing they want to do, they

1368
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,600
Speaker 2: know they've got love and support the way that I

1369
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:52,320
Speaker 2: always had love and support from my parents, from my siblings,

1370
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 2: from my friends, and I'm always there. Just yeah, I'm

1371
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 2: here if you need me.

1372
01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:00,160
Speaker 1: Do you have how many kids?

1373
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: Five and eighteen months?

1374
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah? So do you ever think to yourself, my five

1375
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:09,799
Speaker 1: year old son might become a surfer.

1376
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 2: He might he might not.

1377
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 1: And do you ever think, what do you have views

1378
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,040
Speaker 1: on what you'd like your son or daughter to do

1379
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: or just whatever they want to do.

1380
01:14:20,439 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 2: It would be amazing if they wanted to go down

1381
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:28,280
Speaker 2: that path. But in saying that, whatever they want to,

1382
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: whatever they want to do, like for me, it was

1383
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,719
Speaker 2: really hard, like for a whole year my son didn't

1384
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,599
Speaker 2: want to go to the beach, and I'm just like, oh, no,

1385
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have one of these kids. But it taught

1386
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: me a lot. It was like, I can't make them

1387
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 2: want to do something.

1388
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: They're not you.

1389
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 2: No, But the only dream that I have with them

1390
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 2: that I would love to do is to go and

1391
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:57,080
Speaker 2: show them the world and show them the different parts

1392
01:14:57,080 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 2: of the most beautiful places on earth. And that's the

1393
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 2: only thing. If they serve with me or if they're

1394
01:15:02,520 --> 01:15:04,519
Speaker 2: just there, that's it.

1395
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:08,280
Speaker 1: That's wow, that's amazing. If you can do that, that's

1396
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:10,840
Speaker 1: the best. Ye incredible, And you put yourself in a

1397
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 1: position to do that too, Like you know, you lucky. Well,

1398
01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Your major luck you worked

1399
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 1: out with your talent was you worked it hard. You

1400
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 1: got to where you got to a bit of luck,

1401
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: perhaps a bit of timing. Time and luck sort of

1402
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,840
Speaker 1: go together. But you've got to have the content to

1403
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 1: get to take advantage of the time and luckmate, So

1404
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:31,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't work any other way unless you make the

1405
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,639
Speaker 1: content in the first place and put in the work.

1406
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:38,400
Speaker 1: The work ethic. Yeah, I mean, that's I guess to you.

1407
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: Giving you you had a close family in terms of

1408
01:15:42,520 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: your brothers and your siblings and your parents. How important

1409
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:49,479
Speaker 1: is it then for you to have the same thing

1410
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 1: between your two kids, like them to be close to

1411
01:15:53,439 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 1: each other.

1412
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, you can add once again, you can't. You

1413
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,599
Speaker 2: can't mash to peop together that don't like each other.

1414
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 1: But it's interesting.

1415
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:07,880
Speaker 2: We're lucky in the sense that Xander was at the

1416
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 2: birth of Lailah and the first moment he saw he

1417
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:17,400
Speaker 2: was so excited. Oh wow, And they've just got this bond,

1418
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:21,120
Speaker 2: Like he wakes up after her these days and she

1419
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 2: would just run and give him a big cuddle, and

1420
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:28,080
Speaker 2: like eighteen months, it's so beautiful. Like Brian and I

1421
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 2: are sitting there like elbowing each other, like like you know,

1422
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:36,960
Speaker 2: how beautiful is that? And so we hope at last

1423
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure they're going to fight.

1424
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, but so as you you thought your brother And

1425
01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 1: it's amazing though, just like when I sit back and

1426
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: listen to this story, you're sort of in some respects

1427
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,599
Speaker 1: you say you're lucky, but it's sort of like he'd

1428
01:16:53,640 --> 01:16:57,680
Speaker 1: been blessed with unbelievably good outcomes other than you know,

1429
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:00,439
Speaker 1: a shark try to attack you and you know a

1430
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:04,040
Speaker 1: few things like that, and you lost three brothers, but

1431
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 1: in terms of your immediate outcomes, there's a blessing there.

1432
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,759
Speaker 1: It's like and even the fact that the shark didn't

1433
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: get you, you know what I mean, like some intervention.

1434
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. Like that's like I always

1435
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,960
Speaker 2: feel like there's there's always someone looking out for me

1436
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:28,080
Speaker 2: and I and I feel like my brothers are there,

1437
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 2: you know, it's sort of helping shape, Yeah, or just

1438
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:39,679
Speaker 2: move that way. But also too, I guess without going

1439
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: through those traumas and all that, would I appreciate those

1440
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,240
Speaker 2: little moments. And I think that's that's a big thing,

1441
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: is like some people just you've got to see the

1442
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:57,439
Speaker 2: good and everything, like we always focus on the bad

1443
01:17:57,439 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 2: it's going to be.

1444
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 1: But were you always like that or did you or

1445
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 1: with those changing moments, turning moments where you thought, you

1446
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:07,360
Speaker 1: know what, blessed that didn't happen to me, or my

1447
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 1: brothers passed away, I'm standing there, or you know, it

1448
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 1: could have been me. Do you ever think to yourself,

1449
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 1: therefore I appreciate all of this stuff. It will become

1450
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:16,839
Speaker 1: much more appreciative in life.

1451
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think we we like,

1452
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,360
Speaker 2: you know, you don't want to have those things. Like

1453
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: I look at people that you haven't been through anything,

1454
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,680
Speaker 2: and you know, small things might affect them different to

1455
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: where they affect me. But yeah, look, it's just I

1456
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 2: think it's when you when you're talking to your best mates,

1457
01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:42,920
Speaker 2: or you're talking to someone that you really care about,

1458
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,840
Speaker 2: or they're going through a hard time. It's like it's

1459
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: ship for now. It doesn't always have to be ship.

1460
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 2: You have the power to turn that around. And you

1461
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 2: know no one can no one can make you do it.

1462
01:18:58,439 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 2: They can give you advice and do all these things,

1463
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: but you have the power to turn that. You have

1464
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 2: the power. I could go down dark alley or I

1465
01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 2: can go and chase that light. And I've always I

1466
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: feel like I've always wanted to chase the light.

1467
01:19:12,439 --> 01:19:14,759
Speaker 1: You're more a half glass full type dude.

1468
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:16,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe a few glasses.

1469
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 1: Well just that that takes me to blake. You know,

1470
01:19:21,479 --> 01:19:25,439
Speaker 1: his name is u Jah, So we should just talk

1471
01:19:25,439 --> 01:19:27,840
Speaker 1: about Eugene just for I mean, has he been is

1472
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: he locked away in the cupboard or does he come

1473
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: every best?

1474
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's just alter ego gets me way too much

1475
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 2: trouble and.

1476
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:37,800
Speaker 1: Probably more trouble when you're younger.

1477
01:19:38,120 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I tried to change him a little bit,

1478
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 2: turning more into another person called McMuffin. He's a little

1479
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,599
Speaker 2: bit more sweet, a little bit more fun.

1480
01:19:48,640 --> 01:19:51,240
Speaker 1: But because sitting here right now the audience, I think

1481
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,719
Speaker 1: you just jumped off the cross, but you should.

1482
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: You should.

1483
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 1: You should have sort of explained who Eugenie is.

1484
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's sort of. He's sort of was the

1485
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 2: alter ego at the end of events where I hadn't

1486
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: drunk and and I was so strict with everything from

1487
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 2: diet training, rule.

1488
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,879
Speaker 1: Following, Yeah, rule following, that's important.

1489
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 2: And then once the event was done, Eugene would show

1490
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 2: up and I would try and break every one of

1491
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 2: those and you couldn't tell me any different. If you

1492
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,640
Speaker 2: told me don't do that, I'll go and do it.

1493
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,040
Speaker 2: Who called him Eugene by it was a made of mine.

1494
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:35,559
Speaker 2: Aido I went to his twenty first birthday. It was

1495
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 2: probably the first time that I drunk after my brother

1496
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 2: passed away, Sean, and he's like, that wasn't new Man,

1497
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 2: that was someone else. That was Eugene.

1498
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:50,360
Speaker 1: That was funny. The English name Eugene comes from the

1499
01:20:50,479 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: Grig word gueney, which means fun and joy. Oh that's

1500
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,800
Speaker 1: what the eugene is sort of originates from the word

1501
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,920
Speaker 1: of guiney and it's funny, you know, and it is

1502
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: about fun and enjoy like and maybe you know, like

1503
01:21:04,560 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: my mother used to have an old iris saying she said,

1504
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 1: all work and no play makes Patty a dull boy.

1505
01:21:13,040 --> 01:21:14,600
Speaker 1: And my mother used to say to me because I

1506
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 1: used to work all or and she used to say,

1507
01:21:16,439 --> 01:21:19,200
Speaker 1: You've got to go out and have some fun, enjoy yourself,

1508
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And sometimes we can forget

1509
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,799
Speaker 1: that for sure. And if you're going through a prepping

1510
01:21:24,840 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: for a world title and you know you've got your

1511
01:21:28,160 --> 01:21:30,360
Speaker 1: rule book, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing that.

1512
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,800
Speaker 1: I must do this. And it's like streat day and

1513
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 1: day out. People do this business all the time, but

1514
01:21:36,120 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: they sometimes forget at what stage do I actually open up?

1515
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: The four gates had a bit of fun. So there's

1516
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:44,400
Speaker 1: no problem with bringing a bit of joint your life. Obviously,

1517
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 1: you've got to know when to turn it off. And

1518
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: that's the important thing. I want to ask you this,

1519
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: like do you know when to turn Cyborg off and

1520
01:21:53,479 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 1: when to turn him on? And when do you turn

1521
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,760
Speaker 1: Eugene off and when to turn him on, because if

1522
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,040
Speaker 1: you do have a Eugene side in you, and I

1523
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,680
Speaker 1: think we all do, it's not a matter of a

1524
01:22:02,680 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: bad thing to have that individual there, that other alter ego.

1525
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:08,040
Speaker 1: It's out when you turn them on and when you

1526
01:22:08,080 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: turn them off? Can you turn them on? And when

1527
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 1: can you turn them off? Did you take some time

1528
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,320
Speaker 1: to work out that sort of in and out process?

1529
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:19,760
Speaker 2: I had to, Yeah, So yeah, look, I guess you

1530
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:22,320
Speaker 2: know we spoke about my two thousand and four injury.

1531
01:22:22,880 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 2: You know, during the rehab with that, that was like work, Yeah,

1532
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: five days a week in the gym, Phisia, Phisio. It's

1533
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 2: ways getting the body right. Weekend comes along.

1534
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 1: I was at the pub, which would make the injury worse.

1535
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then but I needed that'd be like all

1536
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: right now I've got to go back in and keep working.

1537
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,600
Speaker 2: And so but then once I once I was like,

1538
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 2: all right now I can serve, don't piss it away. Yeah,

1539
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, And so you know, I was sort of

1540
01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:04,720
Speaker 2: always the guy that when when I first got on tour,

1541
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 2: my mates, would you want to go and have a

1542
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 2: beer like before the event, And I started saying, nah,

1543
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:13,720
Speaker 2: I just don't want to, like, I want to do

1544
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: my best.

1545
01:23:14,280 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 1: Let me do a job.

1546
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. But then but then it went so full cyborg

1547
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: world that I couldn't I couldn't control when to switch

1548
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 2: the cyborg off.

1549
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:31,200
Speaker 1: And in other words, you could become obsessed with the

1550
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 1: rules and the training, and I was.

1551
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:35,600
Speaker 2: I was just so obsessed with winning. You know, this

1552
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: was definitely in two thousand and seven when I won

1553
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 2: my first world title. Was I was so obsessed that like,

1554
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 2: even just sitting in a room with you, I'd be

1555
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,160
Speaker 2: looking at my watchcount all right, I'll get on the rail,

1556
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,320
Speaker 2: I'll be home and I can go on train or

1557
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: go and surf, and and everything that I did was

1558
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,280
Speaker 2: I was always two steps ahead, and I was never

1559
01:23:57,320 --> 01:23:59,760
Speaker 2: really in the room. And I felt like some of

1560
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: my friendships and relationships started getting a bit sort of

1561
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 2: like super selfish and they were breaking down in that sense.

1562
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 2: And so you know, a maid of mine told me

1563
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 2: straight up, he goes, so you're going to come back

1564
01:24:16,680 --> 01:24:23,559
Speaker 2: to us now, and that really I was like, yeah, structure, Yeah,

1565
01:24:22,760 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 2: And so I had to really learn the balance, really

1566
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: learned that there's never a real balance, but you just

1567
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:33,960
Speaker 2: have to learn the dance in a way is that

1568
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 2: it's okay to go and have a beer, and then

1569
01:24:37,240 --> 01:24:41,240
Speaker 2: it's okay to go and work your ass off. But

1570
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:45,639
Speaker 2: make sure that you you don't just go into one

1571
01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,160
Speaker 2: way or another. You have to be able to end

1572
01:24:48,200 --> 01:24:51,559
Speaker 2: and flow through these different areas of your life and

1573
01:24:51,600 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 2: make sure that you know, you're a present in this

1574
01:24:55,240 --> 01:24:58,879
Speaker 2: situation of talking and being a friend or a partner

1575
01:24:59,479 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 2: or a dad. But then also when you're going to

1576
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 2: go and work, give it everything, and you know it's

1577
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 2: it's it is hard, and then there are times where

1578
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: you have to give yourself everything, and so it's it's

1579
01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:18,280
Speaker 2: it's always a working progress.

1580
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: It's never perfect.

1581
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never perfect, you know, I think.

1582
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:25,760
Speaker 1: Because we don't want people listeners think, oh, you know

1583
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: mixed works of that perfectly. I mean it's a working progress.

1584
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. I heard something the other day, especially

1585
01:25:32,479 --> 01:25:37,519
Speaker 2: in like marriage or a relationship where some days I

1586
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 2: might be at a ninety and my partner might be

1587
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 2: at a ten. Yeah, and then the next day it

1588
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:46,680
Speaker 2: could be total reverse. You're never fifty to fifty the

1589
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 2: whole time. And so you've just got to like use

1590
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: that seesaw effect of like I've got to show up

1591
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:55,559
Speaker 2: more today, or I can back off, you know, take

1592
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:59,800
Speaker 2: care of myself or and so yeah, it's just it's

1593
01:25:59,800 --> 01:26:02,040
Speaker 2: just dance. Every day is a dance. I like it there.

1594
01:26:02,439 --> 01:26:05,519
Speaker 1: I like being described there is a dance and you

1595
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: just and you will step on each other's toes and

1596
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:11,760
Speaker 1: sometimes you get it awfully wrong, but you've got a

1597
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 1: keep dancing. Yes, you just get back up and keep going.

1598
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 2: Music never stops.

1599
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 1: So I just think we should give now. This is

1600
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 1: a bit of context where we are today. So this

1601
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,280
Speaker 1: is one of the ventures you're involved into the moment.

1602
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: So where are we at the moment?

1603
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:30,559
Speaker 2: So here we are at Palm Valley Golf Club, Golf

1604
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:33,760
Speaker 2: Club which is going to be the site for a

1605
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:37,600
Speaker 2: new wavepool here on the Gold Coast. It's yeah, the

1606
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: team here done incredible job. Blue and the team just

1607
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 2: you know, they've had this dream of we want to

1608
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:47,479
Speaker 2: put a wave pool here on the Gold Coast because

1609
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:50,080
Speaker 2: you know, we've got enough ways, but we could always

1610
01:26:50,160 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 2: use more because there's a lot of surface here and

1611
01:26:54,120 --> 01:26:59,200
Speaker 2: you know the way that they've put the wavepool, the entertainment,

1612
01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 2: the common planned all that with golf in such a

1613
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,799
Speaker 2: beautiful place like the Gold coast with the climb and everything.

1614
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's extremely exciting.

1615
01:27:11,240 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 1: God's country. I mean, Louke talks both on you've already

1616
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 1: been many times. We're a quick tour and showed us

1617
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 1: where it's all what's going to happen, and sort of

1618
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:21,920
Speaker 1: show us to the map. And I was just only

1619
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:26,280
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like during the winter, mostly live in Sydney,

1620
01:27:26,280 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 1: but during the winter I'm always thinking how good the

1621
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 1: weather is up here in Queensland, Like it might only

1622
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 1: be two or three degrees warmer, but it's just so

1623
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: much better. Yes, for some reason, it's crazy, and I

1624
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 1: love Sydney, don't get me wrong, but it is just

1625
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 1: so much better, and which is one of the reason

1626
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:42,839
Speaker 1: I like to spend a lot more time in Byron

1627
01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,840
Speaker 1: my farm. But it's and to have a wave pool here,

1628
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: I presume to go summer and winter. People just jump

1629
01:27:48,360 --> 01:27:49,640
Speaker 1: into the wetsuit in the middle of the winter. But

1630
01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: what size ways you're talking about.

1631
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:56,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're probably you know, anywhere between I think it's

1632
01:27:57,160 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 2: one point five. Yeah, so that I don't know if

1633
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:03,679
Speaker 2: we'll get to two minutes, but definitely like head high.

1634
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I've met Luke before and we're going to

1635
01:28:06,680 --> 01:28:09,599
Speaker 1: do a podcast with him, actually, but a mental podcast

1636
01:28:09,680 --> 01:28:15,000
Speaker 1: with Luke. But is Luke's raising money. He's out there, he's.

1637
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 2: Just about to start the capital raised and yeah, so

1638
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:22,600
Speaker 2: there is opportunities to get involved, look for me. It

1639
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: was so funny when he first rang me and he's like, hey,

1640
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 2: I've got this idea for a wave pool.

1641
01:28:28,840 --> 01:28:31,160
Speaker 1: And the guy rang up about the beer business.

1642
01:28:31,240 --> 01:28:33,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, same thing. And it's sort of like

1643
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 2: all right, because I had a few start popping up

1644
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:41,599
Speaker 2: and he's like, you know, I'm going to do this, this, this,

1645
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:44,760
Speaker 2: this and this, and he showed me the plans and

1646
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,920
Speaker 2: and I was like, so where are you exactly and

1647
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 2: he pinpointed the map. I was like, this could be

1648
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 2: the best one in the world just everything else that

1649
01:28:54,800 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: you've got around it, Like it's a destination in itself,

1650
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,920
Speaker 2: the Gold Coast, but then have another destination within that.

1651
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,840
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it could be potentially the best one in

1652
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 2: the world.

1653
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 1: Did you did you go to Abberdabi.

1654
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,120
Speaker 2: I haven't done the Abberdabi one yet, but in the

1655
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: Melbourne one, I've done Melbourne, I've done, you know, Munich,

1656
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 2: I've done.

1657
01:29:17,640 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: There's one of Munich is Munich.

1658
01:29:19,400 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 2: One is really fun ty in october Fest, but that

1659
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:23,080
Speaker 2: would be.

1660
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: So so So this will be the first one in Queensland.

1661
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,040
Speaker 2: It'll be the first one in Queensland. They've had the

1662
01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 2: test one up in your poun. I don't know where

1663
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:40,160
Speaker 2: that is, but but yeah, out of all the out

1664
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,840
Speaker 2: of all the resorts and everything that will happen, this

1665
01:29:42,880 --> 01:29:44,240
Speaker 2: will be the first one in queens.

1666
01:29:44,320 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm pretty excited about it. So it looks

1667
01:29:46,280 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: pretty cool and I really appreciate being invited up here

1668
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:51,040
Speaker 1: to do the podcast here, which we're going and we're

1669
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:56,080
Speaker 1: going to do it a litle bit later. I had

1670
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: never met you before, but I hear lots about you

1671
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: from lots of mates of mine who know you, and

1672
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: and you're everything they said you were more and more.

1673
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:07,639
Speaker 2: You maybe think that I'm actually smart, but.

1674
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't know about that, because well, one of our

1675
01:30:10,840 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: good mates out my good mates Common, said to me

1676
01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 1: he has an amazing sense of what will work at

1677
01:30:16,520 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 1: a consumer level. He said he just gets it, he

1678
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 1: just can feel it. And he also said to me

1679
01:30:23,000 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 1: that he's brilliant to putting teams together, which is one

1680
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:26,880
Speaker 1: of the things that come out today. You can put

1681
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:30,240
Speaker 1: the team together, and I think that's you know, we

1682
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:34,080
Speaker 1: often often talk about leadership and business, and I mean

1683
01:30:34,120 --> 01:30:37,040
Speaker 1: there's lots of ways of leadership can be expressed, but

1684
01:30:38,160 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I think one of the most powerful ways is you

1685
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,559
Speaker 1: don't lead, but people follow. And I don't mean follow

1686
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,599
Speaker 1: like lambs with you, but I mean ire inspired and

1687
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: they motivate it and want to be part of something,

1688
01:30:48,720 --> 01:30:52,160
Speaker 1: you know, part of something cool, good, good for humanity,

1689
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,479
Speaker 1: whatever it is, like the whole Northern Rivers, you know,

1690
01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:01,120
Speaker 1: the flood period. That's that's being part of something that's

1691
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,840
Speaker 1: really good. And so I just want to say on

1692
01:31:03,880 --> 01:31:07,280
Speaker 1: behalf of all those people who admire you, thanks very much.

1693
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 2: Thank you. And you know, I'm got to thank you too,

1694
01:31:10,120 --> 01:31:12,559
Speaker 2: because you're supported that first year of the golf day.

1695
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:15,880
Speaker 2: Didn't know what you didn't know me, but gin sort

1696
01:31:15,880 --> 01:31:19,439
Speaker 2: of in touch. But yeah, I really appreciate that. And

1697
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, you help change people's lives. So thank you.

1698
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:23,559
Speaker 1: I appreciate mate.

1699
01:31:23,880 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 2: So good cheers