1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: A warning before we start. This episode mentions child sexual 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: abuse and exploitation from The Australian. Here's what's on the front. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm Christanamiod. It's Monday, September nine. After more than two 4 00:00:21,680 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: years in office, no new homes have been constructed under 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: the government's thirty two billion dollar housing plan. Labour promised 6 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 1: to build four hundred thousand affordable homes under the scheme, 7 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: but it's yet to dispense a single cent. Australian farmers 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 1: are flocking to China in hopes of securing a slice 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: of the nation's eighty billion dollar economy. Officials have struck 10 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: a deal for Ossie Apple farmers to access the Chinese 11 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: market less than a year after a historic visit by 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi. You can read that exclusive report 13 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: by our correspondent on the ground in China right now 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: at the Australian dot Com dot a US. Managers of 15 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: childcare centers where pedophile Ashley Paul Griffith raped and sexually 16 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 1: abused almost one hundred girls over a twenty year period 17 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: were told not to admit their organization was liable for 18 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: his crimes. Plus new evidence reveals Queensland police waited several 19 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: days to follow up a complaint that might have seen 20 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: Griffith exposed sooner. That's today's episode. 21 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 2: I stopped to look into the bottom of the fort 22 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: when I saw Ashley on his hands and knees bent 23 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 2: over a girl who was sleeping on her back. His 24 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: face was up against hers and his mouth was moving 25 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: along her mouth. 26 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: These are the chilling words written by a twenty six 27 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: year old childcare worker in an email to her boss 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: in late twenty twenty one. They're being read by a 29 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: voice actor. 30 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: I quickly walked inside, shocked by what had just happened. 31 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,600 Speaker 2: I spoke with a female staff member explaining what I 32 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: had seen. My thoughts at this point were to go 33 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 2: back out and save the child. 34 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: The childcare worker is detailing an incident she witnessed at 35 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: the Brisbane Uniting Church childcare center where she worked. The 36 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: colleague she refers to in the email is Ashley Paul Griffith, 37 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: who was her boss at the time. Within hours, the 38 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: report was escalated to the center's management and the childcare regulators. 39 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 1: The next day it was referred to the Queensland Police 40 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Child Protection Unit, but that's as far as it went. 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: The cops wrote it up as a suspected child harm 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 1: incident because the officers couldn't determine if physical contact had 43 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: been made from their interview with the twenty six year 44 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: old educator. 45 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: When I first came, it did look like he was 46 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: kissing her, but when I didn't actually see any contact, 47 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 2: but I don't know, he was kind of pecking his 48 00:03:16,760 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 2: lips and his head was kind of moving. 49 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: It was a critical and devastating error by Queensland Police. 50 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: That incident in a wooden children's fort in Brisbane was 51 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 1: one of hundreds of instances of child sexual abuse and 52 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: rape allegedly perpetrated by Ashley Paul Griffith over two decades. 53 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: He would spend the next ten months working at other 54 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: childcare centers across Queensland before he was arrested and charged 55 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two. 56 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: Today I can outline the details of Operation Tented Field, 57 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: an investigation that has led to a former childcare worker 58 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: being charged with one thousand, six hundred and twenty three 59 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 3: child abuse of affairs against ninety one children, including one 60 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: hundred and thirty six counts of rape and one hundred 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 3: and ten counts of sexual intercourse with the child. Under 62 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 3: ten in Brisbane, Sydney and overseas between two thousand and 63 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: seven and two thousand and twenty two. 64 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: But it wasn't what transpired that afternoon in Brisbane that 65 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: landed Griffith in cuffs. Victim identification experts from the Australian 66 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Federal Police Force had traced bed sheets that appeared in 67 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: child abuse material on the dark Web years earlier to 68 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: a childcare center where he previously worked. A search of 69 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: his devices uncovered Griffith's decades long campaign of horror, more 70 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: than four thousand images charting his crimes over his twenty 71 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: year career in childcare. 72 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 4: We alleged the forty five year old man from the 73 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 4: Gold Coast recorded all his alleged offending on his phone 74 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 4: and cameras. The AFP is highly confident that all eighty 75 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 4: seven Australian. 76 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 5: Children who were recorded in the alleged child abuse material 77 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 5: have been identified. The parents the Australian children recorded in 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 5: the alleged child abuse material have been informed of the investigation. 79 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: Last week, Ashley Paul Griffith pleaded guilty to three hundred 80 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: and seven charges including indecent treatment of children, creation and 81 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: distribution of child exploitation material and rape. It took two 82 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: and a half hours to read the charges to the 83 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: packed courtroom, where family members of Griffith's ninety one known 84 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: victims openly sobbed. Other than a response of guilty to 85 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: each of the charges, Griffith didn't speak, waiving his right 86 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: to make a statement at the conclusion of the proceeding. 87 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: The decision by Queensland Police not to pursue Ashley Paul 88 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: Griffith following the report of the fort incident meant Australia's 89 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: worst pedophile evaded capture. After being cleared by police in 90 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, he raped at least one more girl 91 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: and sexually abused three others. The Queensland Police Service has 92 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: defended its handling of the incident, saying all their procedures 93 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 1: were followed, but today The Australian's National Crime correspondent, David 94 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: Murray is revealing it took police days to follow up 95 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: the complaint. 96 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 6: So up until this point we've had assurances from police 97 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 6: that they've looked back over the investigations that were done 98 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 6: into Griffith prior to his arrest, and there were two 99 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 6: of those. One there was a complaint about this Ford incident. 100 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 6: Two there was another complaint about a young girl who 101 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 6: said she'd been touched on the privates by Ashley Griffith, 102 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 6: her teacher. These documents really raised more questions about how 103 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 6: this initial complaint with the Ford incident was handled. So 104 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 6: we can see that the Uniting Church which managed this 105 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,239 Speaker 6: tildcare center went to regulators that night and they forwarded 106 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 6: on the email that this witness had sent them. Immediately 107 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 6: the next day, a manager from the church calls police 108 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 6: on the police link line and reports it as a 109 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 6: non urgent matter and it's taken up by a sergeant 110 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 6: at a local police station. For some reason, it doesn't 111 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 6: appear to have gone straight to a trial protection and 112 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 6: investigation unit, although they were asked for advice. And what 113 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 6: happens is that it seems to water down from what 114 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 6: is written in the initial email the day earlier, where 115 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 6: she describes seeing this mouth against mouth scenario and she 116 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 6: is clearly shocked by. In her email to a manager, 117 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 6: she also details how Griffith had isolated kids. This wasn't 118 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 6: a one off. He was getting the kids into one 119 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 6: area of the childcare center and looking after them and 120 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 6: splitting the kids so other kids were in another area, 121 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 6: and that had the effect or splitting supervision. So you'd 122 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 6: have one manager on a break during naptime, another manager 123 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 6: with the other kids in the other room, and then 124 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 6: you have Griffith spending time alone with this group of 125 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 6: kids who are sleeping. She raises that, I think very 126 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 6: specifically to let her managers know that this is potentially 127 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 6: not a one off incident. But when it goes to 128 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 6: police the next day, the logs that I've cited state 129 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 6: that will file this as a child harm report and 130 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 6: someone will get back to you in a couple of days, 131 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 6: maybe on the Monday or the Tuesday. Now, if you 132 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 6: just think about this scenario, how often does a childcare 133 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 6: worker come across something that deserves us so much that 134 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 6: they immediately tell a colleague, They report it in an email, 135 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 6: they tell everyone up the chain that they're supposed to 136 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 6: that they're really alarmed by what they've seen. Yet there's 137 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 6: no urgency from police for some reason. After she talks 138 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 6: to them, it's treated like something that can just be 139 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 6: handled later, because, oh, well, he's going to be suspended 140 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 6: from the child caressender. While this isn't investigator, there's no 141 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 6: kids at risk as far as we know, and I've 142 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 6: checked over and over again, police did not search his phone, 143 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 6: They did not search his home. It was a month 144 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 6: later before they actually sat down at the Trial Protection 145 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,719 Speaker 6: and Investigation Unit and talked to this witness. And the 146 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 6: question is, well, what happened? Why wasn't this treated potentially 147 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 6: more seriously than it was. The police say all their 148 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 6: policies were followed. Okay, are the policies right in that case? 149 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 6: Were they actually followed? That's what we're trying to find out. 150 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: Now. The community wants answers. 151 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 6: This is the worst abuse this nation has ever seen 152 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,719 Speaker 6: in childcare centers, and there's been absolutely no sign of 153 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 6: any kind of inquiry to get to the bottom of 154 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 6: how that could happen or where the responses from the 155 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 6: childcare centers, from the authorities, the police, the regulators, was 156 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 6: up to scratch. What we're seeing in documents that I 157 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 6: cited is that four days after this report is made 158 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 6: to police, the childcare center's manager still hasn't heard from 159 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 6: the Child Protection and Investigation Unit. Child protection advocates that 160 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 6: I'm talking to detectives, former detectives. They're saying, Okay, we 161 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 6: need to have a serious look at the way that 162 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 6: this was handled, this whole scenario, because this is, as 163 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 6: I said, one of the worst cases this country has 164 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 6: ever seen of child abuse. 165 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: Also seen in those documents is advice from the Uniting 166 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,880 Speaker 1: Churches insurance expert about how staff should respond to inquiries 167 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 1: from distraught parents. 168 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 6: Right at the time that the United Church was finding 169 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 6: out that there was an investigation into one of its 170 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 6: former directors at a childcare center, which was October of 171 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 6: twenty twenty two, the communications manager in the Church and 172 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 6: queens at the time sent an email saying that a 173 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 6: parent had inquired about getting money back, of getting fees refunded, 174 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 6: of getting fees waived, and her question was, well, what 175 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 6: are the insurance implications of that? And the Church in 176 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 6: Queensland's insurance advisor it's specialists replied back that said it 177 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 6: was a general requirement that the Church does not admit 178 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 6: liability in cases. Now, it wasn't detailed in these emails 179 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 6: what the case was, exactly why they were being asked 180 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 6: for their money back, but it was right in that 181 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 6: time period that parents across the country were finding out 182 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 6: that their kids had been abused at centers all over Brisbane, 183 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 6: in New South Wales and Italy and were furious, demanding answers. 184 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 6: Were just completely in shock. And this again goes to 185 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 6: the issue of openness. How does the public find out 186 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 6: about what's happening, How do we get the truth? If 187 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 6: there's this general requirement, it wouldn't be unique to the 188 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 6: church and re insurance policies all over the place that 189 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 6: require people just to not admit that you got it wrong. 190 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 6: But this show is it in black and white that 191 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 6: this policy of the church at the time was in 192 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 6: place that they couldn't say, yeah, we're right for it. 193 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: Coming up, why police pursued a whistleblower and not the 194 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: nation's worst child predator. Subscribers to The Australian here exclusive 195 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: stories like this one. First check us out at the 196 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au and we'll be back after 197 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:24,959 Speaker 1: this break. 198 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 7: I don't believe that it's a problem with people who 199 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 7: deliver there. The problem is with the whole system. Obviously 200 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 7: this system is failing. 201 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: That's the voice of Yolanda Baruki. She was the Uniting 202 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Churches manager of early learning operations when pedophile Ashley Paul 203 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: Griffith was observed leaning over a sleeping girl at one 204 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: of its Brisbane childcare centers in twenty twenty one. She 205 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: escalated the report made by the twenty six year old 206 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: witness to her colleagues in senior management. 207 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 7: I am mum, I'm grammar. I could not even imagine 208 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 7: what the parents of those children going through at the moment. 209 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 7: The system failed them. The system failed also myself and 210 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 7: alsold all the people who've been working in this spartacular center. 211 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: It was on this episode of A Current Affair, aired 212 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: after Griffith was arrested and charged, that the fort incident 213 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: first became public knowledge. 214 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 7: We didn't keep quiet. We've been very clear something is wrong, 215 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 7: but no one done anything about it. 216 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 1: Less than two weeks after the program went to air, 217 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: detectives from Queensland's online exploitation unit, known as Task Force Argos, 218 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: appeared on Yulander Beruki's doorstep with a search warrant in hand. 219 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: They weren't there to thank her for her bravery in 220 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: exposing the nation's worst child predator. Rather, they scooped up 221 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: her phone and all Internet enabled devices and demanded access 222 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: to their contents. Jlander Beruki's employer said she'd accessed confidential 223 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: information on a restricted computer and then handed it over 224 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: to the producers of a current affair. She was arrested 225 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: and charged with computer hacking on the same day as 226 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: the detectives unexpectedly arrived at her home. She'll had to 227 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: court for a hearing on the matter in November, and 228 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: in the meantime, her blue card, also known as a 229 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: Working with Children check, is understood to have been suspended. 230 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 1: Here's David Murray. 231 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 6: When Griffith was first charged, we knew almost nothing right, 232 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 6: but we were given information from the police the basic 233 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 6: facts of the number of victims that it worked at 234 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 6: a number of centers. We weren't actually even given his 235 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 6: name because that was restricted under Queensland law at the 236 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 6: time You landed Barucki when she spoke out, that was 237 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 6: the first time we actually found out what happened in 238 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 6: that scenario. We knew there had been some complaint to police, 239 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 6: and this is so important for the public to know 240 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 6: how these prior complaints were handled, and you land A 241 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 6: Buraki shed some light on that. I think police should 242 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 6: have been really mindful that this is a situation where 243 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 6: everyone in the public is on edge. There's kids being 244 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 6: abused in child kiss and there's questions over whether police 245 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 6: have handled this correctly. It was a bit call to 246 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 6: go and then raid someone's house in the way that 247 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 6: they did on a complaint from a church, which is 248 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 6: it self of course will face naturally questions about whether 249 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 6: it could have done more. We as journalists have faced 250 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 6: with this constantly, where it's just very difficult to get 251 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 6: information and people are quite often scared to talk out 252 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 6: and when police come in and arrest charge people who 253 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 6: do speak to the media, it has an intimidating effect 254 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 6: on other witnesses and other people who might want to talk. 255 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 6: And the public does have a right to know of 256 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 6: what happened in this situation. We can't just accept police 257 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 6: statements from government agencies from the police saying that everything 258 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 6: they did was fine. We need the facts and then 259 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 6: the public can decide for themselves. 260 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: David Murray is The Australian's National crime correspondent. You can 261 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 1: read his full report right now at The Australian dot 262 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: com dot au