WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 5 December 0:00:01.560 --> 0:00:04.680 Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:07.280 This is Technique de Georgio. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:09.799 Hello and welcome to the program. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:13.720 Coming up tonight, Anthony Alberesi's medicare stunt during the election 0:00:13.960 --> 0:00:17.599 backfires as it's getting even more expensive to see a 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.000 specialist in this country. Also tonight, disaffected Liberals and Teals 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:25.280 reportedly in talks to form a new center right movement, 0:00:25.680 --> 0:00:29.080 claiming the party is being taken over by Conservatives. I'll 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:32.560 speak to MICHAYLEA Cash about it shortly, And Australia's Sex 0:00:32.600 --> 0:00:36.000 Discrimination Commissioner still can't define. 0:00:35.520 --> 0:00:36.960 The first word in her title. 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.559 I'll play you Anna Cody's latest disastrous comments from Senate estimates. 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:44.559 But first tonight, there's a case that has gone in 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:47.160 front of a New South Wales court that I think 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:51.640 has been a gross miscarriage of justice and racially motivated. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:56.040 It involves police officer Benedict Bryant. Now this is a 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.800 case that makes you wonder why anyone would bother enrolling 0:00:59.880 --> 0:01:03.800 in the police force if they risk being charged just 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:07.119 for doing their job. Last week, the forty seven year 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.080 old police sergeant was found guilty of dangerous driving occasioning 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.440 the death of Aboriginal teenager Gai killaney Wright. 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:17.640 In February twenty twenty two. The sixteen year old was. 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.400 Riding a stolen trail bike in Sydney's Inner Suburbs when 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:25.560 he hit an unmarked vehicle being driven by Officer Bryant. 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:30.160 Now CCTV footage showed the team traveling around sixty eight 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:33.560 kilometers an hour in a forty kilometer an hour zone 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:38.320 in a bikelane. Sergeant Bryant created a roadblock with his 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.319 car and at the same time Gi calaney Wright went 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.080 through a red light before hitting a barrier at the 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.160 end of the bike lane, causing him to become airborne 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:53.000 and he crashed into Bryant's parked vehicle. The teenager suffered 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:56.080 critical head injuries and died in hospital the following day. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:00.960 Now the prosecution alleged Bryant had effectively establish. 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.480 A roadblock without reasonable grounds. 0:02:04.160 --> 0:02:08.040 Judge Jane Culvers said given the sergeant's experience, he should 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.320 have known that positioning his vehicle that way would lead. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.120 To a real risk of a collision. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.200 Despite the fact the teenager crashed into the parked vehicle, 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.760 not the other way around. Benedict Bryant's lawyer, Paul McGirr 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.400 explained the judge's decision this morning on two GB and 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:28.519 have a think about whether this is fair. 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.680 What she found was that he should have foreseen that 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:38.079 this young person riding over seventy kilometers in a bicycle 0:02:38.160 --> 0:02:41.160 lane on a stolen trial bike and he had a 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:45.600 helmet on, but certainly should have known that he wouldn't stop, 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.640 he wouldn't slow down at the markings, was on the 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:53.080 wrong side of the actual bicycle laying markings came to 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.840 that raised part. Should have known that he wasn't going 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.440 to stop, that that was going to ignore a traffic light, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.320 was going to ignor a left turn arrow that was 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:05.959 in the bike lane, was going to ignore a ballard, 0:03:05.960 --> 0:03:09.399 a raised bollard up to about ten centimeters concrete and plastic, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.480 and was also going to ignore sorry gathering and also 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:18.800 ignore a too high me to high red plastic bollards. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.720 Now, obviously you can foresee things happening. For example, if 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:25.880 you are driving and there is an intoxicated person staggering 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:28.360 on a footpath with one foot on the road, then 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.320 you're probably going to slow down your vehicle in anticipation 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.440 that that person may come onto the road. That to 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:39.080 me is fair and reasonable to assume, but nobody's a 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.720 mind reader, so it beggars belief in my view that 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:45.200 a judge would think that a police officer would have 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:48.600 had to have foreseen a myriad of possibilities in a 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.000 split second, like ignoring bollards in order to have prevented death. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:55.680 This really is truly staggering. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.640 Judge Jane Colver said, the accused so seriously failed to 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:02.600 properly they managed the vehicle that he created a real 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:07.200 danger despite the fact he didn't hit the teenager. The 0:04:07.240 --> 0:04:11.960 teenager crashed into his patrol car, which was part and 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:14.280 now the sergeant will learn his fate in April and 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:17.479 faces up to ten years behind bars, his career over 0:04:17.520 --> 0:04:20.360 in a flash for doing his job, a twenty two 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:25.640 year career down the drain. Why bother becoming a police officer? 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.320 What is the point if you cannot even fulfill your 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.719 basic duties without the risk of being charged because the 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:36.200 standard has been set now. In fact, criminal law researcher 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:39.680 Talia Anthony even told the ABC quote, given that we 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:43.960 now have this new standard possibility, maybe the prosecutors will 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:48.680 be emboldened to bring higher offenses in charging police officers. 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:53.880 In the future emboldened. And here is Benedict Bryant's lawyer 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:56.360 on that these. 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.320 Are split second decisions. On that basis, that would mean 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:04.480 no police officer would ever engage in anything to do 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:08.679 with a criminal because they simply should know what they're 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.760 going to do. That's the danger of the job they face. 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.040 And a lot of police officers would be thinking to 0:05:15.080 --> 0:05:16.920 themselves it might be just easy to sit in the 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.360 station and let this happen. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.080 And look, we already have a youth crime crisis as 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:24.800 it is, and this teenager was no saint. He had 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.360 been breaking into homes and stealing cars and the trail bike. Now, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:31.120 of course his death is tragic, of course it is, 0:05:31.640 --> 0:05:34.320 but he was engaging in illegal activity at the time. 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:38.960 And we have a courtroom criminalizing police for doing their job. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:42.560 And the question has to be asked, would the case 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:46.800 have gone to court had the teenager been white. The 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:50.359 Department of Public Prosecutions had conducted an investigation into the 0:05:50.400 --> 0:05:54.240 incident and Benedict Bryant was initially cleared of any wrongdoing. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.880 It wasn't until last year when a new South Wales coroner, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:00.920 who had been investigating the teenager's death as a death 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:04.800 in custody, referred the matter back to the DPP and 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:08.120 charges were laid. And now this case has become a 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:12.320 race issue because the teenager was Aboriginal, and we've seen 0:06:12.360 --> 0:06:16.000 this play out before, albeit in different circumstances. It happened 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.960 in the Northern Territory. Constable Zachary Rolf was charged with 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:22.760 the murder of Aboriginal teenager Kumenjay Walker in twenty nineteen. 0:06:23.360 --> 0:06:25.839 Walker stabbed Rolf in the shoulder with scissors as he 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.359 attempted to arrest him after Walker had earlier threatened local 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:32.680 officers with an axe. Rolf than fatally shot Walker, and 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.760 he was prosecuted. A jury has since cleared the now 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:40.200 former officer of murder, agreeing that he was acting in 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.679 self defense. But it's the same wokism and race based 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:47.279 politics that is playing out in our courts. Do white 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.599 police officers ever really stand a chance when faced with 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:54.919 Aboriginal criminal offenders who, in rare cases die as a 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:56.280 result of police. 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:57.159 Being forced to do their job. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:00.960 Did Benedict Bryant stand a chance the day he made 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:03.560 that decision, based on his more than twenty year career, 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:07.520 to form a roadblock, Well, if you ask Principal Legal 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:11.200 Officer of the Aboriginal Legal Service, Nadine Miles. She says 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.480 the guilty verdict confirms Bryant caused the death of the teenager. 0:07:15.840 --> 0:07:18.080 She told the SBS there is a particular lack of 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:21.560 accountability for police who cause harm to Aboriginal people. The 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:25.200 conviction of Benedict Bryant breaks with this trend and is 0:07:25.240 --> 0:07:28.120 an important step in the right direction. It is critical 0:07:28.160 --> 0:07:30.880 that police are held accountable for their actions. The community 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:32.920 should be able to trust that they will be safe 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:36.240 when interacting with police. It is shameful that the actions 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.480 of some police officers show this trust is not earned 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:40.560 or warranted. 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:48.120 Police don't stand a chance. Well. 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.960 Anthony Albanezi peddled the biggest lie throughout the election campaign 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.120 when he flapped about his Medicare card day in, day 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:58.440 out and told you that his little green card is 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:01.200 all you'll ever need to see the doctor for free. 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:03.559 This little green and gold card. 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:08.720 This scene here your Medicare card as this little green 0:08:08.960 --> 0:08:11.240 and gold piece of plastic. 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.320 This your Medicare card, A Medicare card. 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:18.680 Well, it was all a stunt, wasn't it. The majority 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:21.320 of Australians believed it that seeing a GP was going 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:23.720 to be free and easy under Labor, and believed a 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.640 scare campaign that the Coalition would make cuts to Medicare. 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:29.400 Yet how difficult is it to find a bulk billing 0:08:29.440 --> 0:08:32.480 practice in this country that does not charge you a 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:35.559 gap fee. It's about as difficult as waiting for our 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.520 power bills to come down under the renewables only fantasy. 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:42.839 Healthcare under Labor is not cheap, not freely available as 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.800 you were promised it would be, and it's getting worse 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.920 if you need to see a specialist, out of pocket 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:53.040 costs for specialist doctors and our crippling consumer budgets. According 0:08:53.080 --> 0:08:56.040 to Medicare data, the average gap fee charge to patients 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.080 has risen from forty nine dollars fifty six in twenty 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.400 ten to eleven to one hundred and seventeen dollars eighteen 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.960 in twenty twenty three to twenty four, more than triple 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:09.200 the rate of inflation now. The Health Minister Mark Butler 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:12.720 has asked his department to provide wide ranging advice on 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.240 reform options, and according to The Australian, that would include 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:19.520 more transparency like forcing doctors to list what their fees 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:23.079 are and cloring back Medicare subsidies that go to specialist 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:27.720 doctors who charge what is deemed as excessive. Well, i'd 0:09:27.760 --> 0:09:30.839 ask what is labour trying to do here? I mean, 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:34.520 are they actually seriously going to ask specialist doctors to 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:38.120 take a pay cut? Are they going to regulate doctors' 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:42.559 billing practices? Really, there are suggestions that that in itself 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:46.840 would be a constitutional matter. Someone has to pay in 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:50.679 the end, and we can see where it's going. It's 0:09:50.720 --> 0:09:53.400 going to be the taxpayer who ends up being left 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:54.079 to fill the gap. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:55.000 It's going to be you. 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:59.040 Who ultimately foots the bill because how else is labor 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.360 going to do this? Despite the fact Albo told you 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:05.880 healthcare was going to be cheap with your little green card, 0:10:06.679 --> 0:10:09.000 and the Opposition is rightly asking questions today. 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.520 Well, I think one of the biggest lives of the 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:15.720 last election campaign, Pete was that all you would need 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.400 to access quality healthcare in this country was going to 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:23.080 be your Medicare card. The Prime Minister had backdrops, had 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:25.760 you know, jackets t shirts, pulling his card out at 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:30.720 every available opportunity. And the reality is Australians are paying 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.679 fifty bucks out of pocket on average to see their 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:37.600 GP and one hundred and seventeen dollars on average to 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.719 see specialists. 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:40.559 Now for many many. 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.800 Australians, particularly those with young families, where you might need 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.120 additional visits or more than just one. 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.719 That is out of the reach of family budgets. 0:10:50.520 --> 0:10:52.640 Yeah, and the Health Minister Mike Butler was out spitting 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:53.760 tricky figures today. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:57.840 There were eleven million free visits to the GP last 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.960 month compared to seven million month before, so last month 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:06.000 an additional four million free visits to the GP because 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:09.720 of our investments making a huge difference to the access 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.600 to healthcare and affordability. 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:15.679 The reality is bulk billing rates have only slightly shifted 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.920 from a year ago. Health Department officials told Senate estimates 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.600 yesterday the official bulk billing rate for GP visits rose 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:25.720 from seventy seven point seven percent in October to eighty 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:28.640 one point two percent last month, But between July and 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.280 September last year, bulk billing rates sat at seventy seven 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:36.520 point six percent, So really the needle has barely moved 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.520 in twelve months. Yet Labor announced it would spend eight 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:43.000 point five billion dollars of your money to deliver eighteen 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.360 million more GP visits a year, and don't forget its 0:11:46.400 --> 0:11:49.280 goals for the policy were merely based on an aim. 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.319 The funding was to be spread over four years and 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:56.040 only aimed to deliver bulk billing rates of ninety percent 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.240 by twenty thirty in two elections time. That little green 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:07.040 card was nothing more than a labor con Well, Australia's 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.360 Sex Discrimination Commissioner is still having a real doozy of 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:13.199 a time defining the first word in her title. 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:14.160 Here. She was in. 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:23.720 October lesbians, trans women, non binary. There are a range 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:26.840 of people who identify as women who are women. 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:31.880 Did you mean that biological males can be women men? 0:12:33.600 --> 0:12:33.720 So? 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.080 I think that we have different language that perhaps you're 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.640 using that I would use. So I don't understand the 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:41.320 term biological men. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:41.720 Yeah. 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.440 Anna Cody told the same committee the reason she couldn't 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:48.720 distinguish between male and female was that she wasn't a scientist. 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.040 Can someone who was born an ex y chromosomes changed 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:55.160 to xx chromosoans a male change to female? 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.960 I don't believe so, but I'm not a scientist. 0:12:58.880 --> 0:13:01.719 Well, it's getting worse for and A Cody, a public bureaucrat, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.040 paid four hundred thousand dollars a year in Senate estimates 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:05.480 this week. 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:07.280 This is how she defined her. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:11.720 Role, Senator, my role is as the Sex Discrimination Commissioner 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.520 to advocate for gender equality and also for the rights 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.080 of LGBQTI plus community. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.840 Well props to her for at least an open admission 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.920 that she really has no clue as to what the 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.640 role of a sex discrimination commissioner actually involves, because this 0:13:26.720 --> 0:13:29.840 is not a sex discrimination commissioner. This is clearly an 0:13:29.840 --> 0:13:34.400 advocate for the LGBTQI plus community on a tax payer wage. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.760 And a Cody even went as far as to blame 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:40.360 conservative media recently like us here at Sky News, claiming 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:43.679 she's been the victim of a one sided campaign for 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:48.080 her advocacy for the trans community. And look now that 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.520 she's had two months to reflect on the term biological 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.920 man does and a Cody know what a biological man 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:57.280 is now? Senator Leah Blythe tried to get an answer. 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:02.679 Senator, I'm not a medical expert. I'm a human rights advocate. 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.280 As I've just said, I advocate for gender equality and 0:14:06.320 --> 0:14:09.840 for the rights of LGBQTI plus people. That's my role 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.480 under the Sex Discrimination Act. 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:13.959 So first, she tells us she can't define what a 0:14:14.000 --> 0:14:17.000 biological man is because she's not a scientist. And now 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:19.360 she tells us she can't define what a biological man 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.760 is because she's not a medical expert. Now I don't 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.320 know about you, but I'm really struggling to get my 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:25.960 head around this. 0:14:27.040 --> 0:14:28.520 How does she not know what anyone is? 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:31.240 Then she claims to be an advocate for the rights 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.520 of the LGBTIQ plus people. What is she to find 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:37.400 a trans person as? Then how does she know what 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.120 they really are if she's not a scientist or a 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:43.560 medical professional. And I'd love to tell you it ended there, 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:45.080 but it didn't. 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.080 Do you accept that there's a clear criteria that exists 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.600 to distinguish between male and female. 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:55.400 The Sex Discrimination Act does not define man or woman. 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.920 It has an inclusive definition of women that includes all women. 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:03.200 So that is First Nations, women, women from culturally and 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:09.280 racially marginalized backgrounds, trans women, lesbians, women with disability. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:13.640 Inclusive definition of women. How many versions of women are there? 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:16.400 Senatoralia blythe gave Anna Cody one more go? 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.320 So how would you define a man? It's not defined 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.960 under the Sex Discrimination Act. And my role, as I've said, 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:27.480 is to uphold gender equality under that Act. 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:30.440 And this nonsense went on for ten minutes. And look, 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.480 I've shown this before, but I'm going to show it again. 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:35.560 Perhaps Ana Cody could do with a basic biology lesson 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:37.440 from the movie Kindergarten Cop. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:41.840 Boys have a penish, Girls have a vagagina. 0:15:45.520 --> 0:15:46.400 Thanks for the tip. 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:50.560 And you don't need a scientist or a medical expert 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:51.320 to tell you that. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:57.000 All right, let's get into the day's news. Now. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.720 There's been another nail in the coffin for Labour's renewables 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.160 only fantasy. It's been revealed its most recent advice on 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:07.200 its twenty thirty five emissions targets was partly informed by 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.920 a German study that has now been retracted. Environmental experts 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.040 are warning its skewed data significantly overinflated the possible economic 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.680 damage of climate change. Joining me nowut for more on 0:16:18.720 --> 0:16:22.000 this is Graham Lloyd, the Environment editor with the Australian. 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.760 Graham good to catch up. Thanks for joining me. Tell 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.080 us what has actually been retracted from that study and 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.400 what this now means for Labour's twenty thirty five targets. 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:37.480 Well, good evening. It was a major study from a 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.120 recognized institute that was published in one of the leading 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:47.920 scientific journals, and it claimed to have analyzed economies over 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:52.520 a forty year period and extrapolated what the impact of 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:57.120 rising carbon dioxide emissions would be, and it said by 0:16:57.160 --> 0:17:00.440 the end of the century there will be reduce by 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:04.400 sixty two percent, which is an extraordinary amount. They've had 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.560 to go back and admit, well, really, rather than a 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:11.040 forty year period, the figures were skewed by what happened 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.480 in Ubekistan over a period of four years, and the 0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.480 correct figure would in fact be twenty percent, not sixty. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.639 But it really gets worse than that because the study 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.200 itself is based on the worst case scenario on emissions, 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:30.960 and there's a general agreement of understanding that that worst 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:34.439 case scenario is something that's not going to happen. So 0:17:35.160 --> 0:17:38.600 really you're taking the worst cast scenario, you're extrapolating it 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.919 and using skewed to figures from a short period of 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.320 time in Uzbakistan and saying this is the impact on 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:49.520 the global economy. So that paper has been withdrawn. They 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:52.560 say they will be resubmitting it, but in the meantime 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:57.920 it's been used to justify actions across a whole range 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.800 of places, including advice to the federal government. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.120 I mean, it's just extraordinary as it is. Expert after 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.520 expert will tell you that Labor can't reach its twenty 0:18:06.560 --> 0:18:09.119 thirty targets. Now we know that twenty thirty five was 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:13.080 based on a report which has now been redacted. You know, 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.800 I just think it's absolutely bizarre. Now let's go to Victoria. 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:20.440 Agl has pulled the pin on its offshore wind ambitions 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:24.280 over there, Graham, this is the problem because we know 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:26.960 that two other wind farm projects have already been shelved, 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:29.840 so it's not going well. How big of a blow 0:18:29.960 --> 0:18:32.800 is this to Victoria's efforts, in particular to phase out 0:18:32.880 --> 0:18:34.880 coal in favor of renewables. 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:41.000 Well, it's a very significant problem, indeed, because Victoria has 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:47.160 said a central part of its ability to meet its 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:51.240 expectations as coal shots is offshore wind. And what we're 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:55.080 seeing is one by one, offshore wind projects are falling 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.200 over primarily because of cost and a lack of infrastructure 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.480 and things that have been well known and understood by 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:07.720 anyone who's paying attention. So it's looking like if there 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:11.480 is to be any offshore wind, it's going to be 0:19:11.640 --> 0:19:16.560 extremely expensive and heavily subsidized by government, and a lot 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.280 of companies are saying, well, the risk is too great, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:23.920 these projects are not viable for them, so they're out. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:25.080 Yeah. 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.480 Look, it's not good, and I mean it's not just 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:29.720 happening in Victoria, it's happening across the country. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:31.480 I've lost count of the amount of. 0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:34.480 Projects that have either gone bust or have been delayed 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:38.480 in recent months alone. That this renewables only magic carpet 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.439 ryde just keeps failing at every turn. I want to 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.840 go to this report by the Australian Energy Market Commission. 0:19:44.920 --> 0:19:48.600 It's warning that electricity prices are projected to jump thirteen 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.800 percent by early next decade unless the rollout of Labour's 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:56.960 net zero policies are accelerated. As I mentioned Graham, this 0:19:57.200 --> 0:20:01.680 whole rollout is being underpinned by eight twenty thirty by 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:04.840 that target. Yet we've got experts warning we're not going 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.840 to get there. So what are the odds of the 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.879 role at actually being able to be accelerated in the 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:10.480 first place. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.120 Well, I think this is the thing that the rollout 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:22.000 has basically stalled in terms of large scale renewable energy projects. 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.600 There's really been a log jam where they've been announced, 0:20:26.600 --> 0:20:29.960 but they're not getting financial sign off, and a large 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.600 part of that is because the authorities have been unable 0:20:33.720 --> 0:20:37.959 to deliver the interconnectors and other infrastructure that will enable 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:41.800 it to happen, and prices are going up every minute 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:46.280 people wait. So in terms of accelerating the role out, 0:20:46.320 --> 0:20:49.160 this is something that the federal government has been trying 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:53.320 to do for some time and without success. So unless 0:20:53.640 --> 0:20:58.879 there is a resort to much more authoritarian measures, if 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:03.480 you like, to railroad objections and to underwrite the finances 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:07.000 of these things, it's very hard to see these targets 0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.160 being met. And if there isn't the role out, as 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.960 the electricity authorities are now saying, well, prices are going up. 0:21:14.480 --> 0:21:16.400 Yeah, well, I mean we see it with our power 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:19.000 bills every time we open it, so don't we Grahm Lloyd, 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:20.800 good to see you as always, Thanks very much for 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.720 joining me. Well joining me now live is the Shadow 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.280 Foreign Affairs Minister, Michaulia Cash, Senator. Nice to see you, 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:30.280 thanks for joining me. Let's start with the ISIS Bride saga. 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:32.720 Tony Burke is still silent on what occurred in that 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.919 June meeting with charity Save the Children, which had been 0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:38.119 helping get the Isis brides back to Australia. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:40.880 I know that you tried very hard. 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.919 In sett estimates months ago when it was revealed that 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:45.760 the brides had already arrived here. You tried to get 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:49.120 a straight answer from Labour to no avail. Now these revelations, 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.920 what does a public deserve to know here about what occurred? 0:21:54.520 --> 0:21:57.399 Well, Deanika, the obvious answer is the public deserve the 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:00.480 truth from both the Prime Minister and Tiny Burr. I 0:22:00.560 --> 0:22:03.159 say that sarcastically, though, because you and I both know 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:07.960 the Albanesi government has almost become incapable in most areas 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:09.600 of policy in telling the truth. 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:10.560 But these are the facts. 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.440 Tony Burke had a secret meeting with Save the Children 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.840 in relation to the return of the Isis brides and 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:21.760 kicked out the note taker, and yet now refuses to 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:26.240 tell the Australian people what actually happened in that meeting. 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.440 I mean, you don't get to have it both ways, 0:22:29.760 --> 0:22:33.959 and you now have the Department saying well, actually Tony 0:22:33.960 --> 0:22:38.080 Burke said that he would find a way to bring 0:22:38.160 --> 0:22:42.439 those Isis bride home. I mean Tony Burke's explanation, Danika 0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:47.320 no longer passes the pub test. These were not backpacker's 0:22:47.400 --> 0:22:52.960 stranded overseas. These were the wives of ISIS terrorists, men 0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:57.720 who had committed some of the most grotesque atrocities this 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:02.199 world has ever seen. So Burke has a secret meeting, 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.720 kicks out the note taker. You don't kick out the 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.720