1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:18,401 Speaker 1: Approache production. Look like I've said he before. 2 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 2: You know, for me to sit down and read a book, 3 00:00:20,881 --> 00:00:23,001 Speaker 2: I've got to be grabbed by it and anything that's 4 00:00:23,001 --> 00:00:26,961 Speaker 2: sort of written through crime or anything around that sort 5 00:00:27,001 --> 00:00:29,121 Speaker 2: of thing, something that I can relate to. 6 00:00:29,961 --> 00:00:33,240 Speaker 1: And here, having met you, we've built. 7 00:00:33,001 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 2: A friendship and we'll continue this from now. This is 8 00:00:35,841 --> 00:00:39,441 Speaker 2: you know, a relationship that will forever be there. And 9 00:00:40,001 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: I'd love to read that book. I think that it 10 00:00:41,961 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 2: have a lot of value and a lot of good, 11 00:00:44,441 --> 00:00:47,721 Speaker 2: good stories in it. You you know, you sort of 12 00:00:48,361 --> 00:00:53,641 Speaker 2: made a comment that now life is to live through 13 00:00:53,641 --> 00:00:55,681 Speaker 2: the eyes I guess of your beautiful daughter who has 14 00:00:55,761 --> 00:01:00,361 Speaker 2: passed and what she just wanted from her dad to 15 00:01:00,401 --> 00:01:01,241 Speaker 2: be the best he could be. 16 00:01:03,041 --> 00:01:06,761 Speaker 1: You, I mean, it's. 17 00:01:06,641 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 2: It's still very raw, and I see it we talk. 18 00:01:10,081 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: I see it in your eyes even now I mentioned it. 19 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,281 Speaker 2: But I have to I have to say, you know, honorably. 20 00:01:14,321 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: I just think that's a really beautiful thing. And I'd 21 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: like to ask you what sort of things are you 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,321 Speaker 2: sort of visualizing or do you have planned in honor 23 00:01:23,321 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: of your daughter to help others are moving forward in 24 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: what you're passionate about. 25 00:01:29,761 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: Well, I started a foundation it's called the tamadamaar Bucci Foundation. 26 00:01:37,481 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 3: And what I'm doing is I'm trying to raise the 27 00:01:41,401 --> 00:01:44,481 Speaker 3: money to build a park in my daughter's honor and 28 00:01:44,681 --> 00:01:50,521 Speaker 3: also to help families in the same kind of situation 29 00:01:50,721 --> 00:01:56,321 Speaker 3: as me that are going through tragedies with like providing 30 00:01:56,441 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 3: mental health counseling. I have two mental health counselors on retainer. 31 00:02:02,561 --> 00:02:04,761 Speaker 3: And you know, I'm just building up a little more 32 00:02:04,801 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: money and I'm going to start putting it to use 33 00:02:07,241 --> 00:02:09,081 Speaker 3: and I'm going to I really want to help people. 34 00:02:09,161 --> 00:02:12,321 Speaker 3: My daughter was all into helping others. As you know, 35 00:02:12,961 --> 00:02:15,921 Speaker 3: she was killed when she pulled over to help a 36 00:02:16,001 --> 00:02:19,321 Speaker 3: disabled motorists and got hit by a truck. So you know, 37 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:23,441 Speaker 3: she passed me the torch. That was her niche helping others. 38 00:02:23,441 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: So I want to continue in her honor. I want 39 00:02:26,001 --> 00:02:29,521 Speaker 3: to have like parents. My worst fear is that my 40 00:02:29,641 --> 00:02:33,361 Speaker 3: daughter's death will go in vain, like you know, and 41 00:02:33,481 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: they'll forget. People will forget about her in a couple 42 00:02:35,881 --> 00:02:38,761 Speaker 3: of years. So I want to build a park in 43 00:02:38,841 --> 00:02:41,441 Speaker 3: her honor, have a nice plaque with her picture. 44 00:02:41,161 --> 00:02:43,481 Speaker 4: Up there, and you know, let people know who she. 45 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,321 Speaker 3: Was, and you know, and sit there drink a cup 46 00:02:46,361 --> 00:02:50,041 Speaker 3: of coffee as kids play, as dogs run around because 47 00:02:50,081 --> 00:02:53,041 Speaker 3: she loved dogs in the dog park and my daughter was. 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: In unbelievable shape. 49 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,041 Speaker 3: So I want to put a fitness area, so it's 50 00:02:57,041 --> 00:03:00,561 Speaker 3: gonna be like three different aspects to the park, and 51 00:03:00,641 --> 00:03:03,081 Speaker 3: you know, and that's what I plan on doing, is 52 00:03:03,281 --> 00:03:06,601 Speaker 3: helping others and helping, you know, even the park a 53 00:03:06,641 --> 00:03:10,561 Speaker 3: place for people to go relax, children to play, dogs 54 00:03:10,601 --> 00:03:14,721 Speaker 3: to run around. And then with me, when my daughter passed, 55 00:03:15,321 --> 00:03:17,521 Speaker 3: I was a basket pay case when they told me 56 00:03:17,561 --> 00:03:19,361 Speaker 3: I fell on the floor, you know, state. 57 00:03:19,121 --> 00:03:22,721 Speaker 4: Police told me I went to one knee and just was. 58 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,641 Speaker 3: I was numbed through the whole wake and funeral and everything. 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,721 Speaker 3: And I took eighteen days for me to get mental 60 00:03:29,761 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 3: health counseling, grief counseling. And I don't want anybody else 61 00:03:32,841 --> 00:03:34,881 Speaker 3: to go through that. I want to be there for 62 00:03:35,001 --> 00:03:38,641 Speaker 3: people and provide right away. Like with the foundation, I've 63 00:03:38,681 --> 00:03:40,921 Speaker 3: already done a couple things like I went and I 64 00:03:41,041 --> 00:03:43,601 Speaker 3: had baskets and I gave them out to the homeless, 65 00:03:43,961 --> 00:03:45,961 Speaker 3: you know, in a few different areas. 66 00:03:45,521 --> 00:03:50,761 Speaker 4: And you know, doing nice things for people, positive things, 67 00:03:50,801 --> 00:03:53,361 Speaker 4: things that she would be proud of and that's what 68 00:03:53,401 --> 00:03:56,161 Speaker 4: it's going to be all about. So it's the Tamabuchi Foundation. 69 00:03:56,281 --> 00:03:59,801 Speaker 3: You can google it, check it out on the web, 70 00:04:00,401 --> 00:04:02,681 Speaker 3: and you know, if you're nice enough, you can people 71 00:04:02,721 --> 00:04:03,961 Speaker 3: can even donate if you want. 72 00:04:04,121 --> 00:04:06,121 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not trying, no why not. 73 00:04:06,321 --> 00:04:09,281 Speaker 2: I mean, look, and that's why I asked, because I 74 00:04:09,321 --> 00:04:11,201 Speaker 2: want to try and get as much support around what 75 00:04:11,281 --> 00:04:13,441 Speaker 2: you're trying to achieve. You know, I truly believe that 76 00:04:14,761 --> 00:04:19,481 Speaker 2: it would be an amazing legacy for you, you know, and 77 00:04:19,801 --> 00:04:22,281 Speaker 2: one that gives you so much more purpose. 78 00:04:22,561 --> 00:04:23,601 Speaker 1: Obviously, you know. 79 00:04:25,561 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 2: It's hard because you lose so many years and you know, yes, 80 00:04:28,721 --> 00:04:31,281 Speaker 2: they're class is wasted years, the years we can't get back. 81 00:04:32,241 --> 00:04:35,601 Speaker 2: But I think too in some of those years, you know, 82 00:04:35,681 --> 00:04:37,601 Speaker 2: obviously from your point of view, once you put your 83 00:04:37,601 --> 00:04:40,961 Speaker 2: head down and achieved some of the things that you achieved, 84 00:04:40,961 --> 00:04:44,241 Speaker 2: I mean you opened doors and pathways that hadn't been 85 00:04:44,281 --> 00:04:49,321 Speaker 2: done before you educated yourself legally. You know, you've become 86 00:04:49,361 --> 00:04:54,681 Speaker 2: an author, mate, wonderful, wonderful accolades on your behalf and 87 00:04:54,961 --> 00:04:56,521 Speaker 2: it just proves that you're never too old. 88 00:04:56,521 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 1: And I don't mean to say that in the disrespectful 89 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,361 Speaker 1: way that you're an old man wrong. 90 00:05:00,921 --> 00:05:04,081 Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, you know, I'm three years 91 00:05:04,121 --> 00:05:07,041 Speaker 2: off fifty myself, you know, and God forbid if I 92 00:05:07,081 --> 00:05:09,161 Speaker 2: have to go back in and do another sentence for 93 00:05:10,041 --> 00:05:13,641 Speaker 2: these matters, you know, like I'd hate to think of 94 00:05:13,761 --> 00:05:15,801 Speaker 2: what could come, do you know what I mean? Like 95 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:21,241 Speaker 2: if I'm not seeing the truth of being innocent. So therefore, 96 00:05:22,681 --> 00:05:25,481 Speaker 2: you know, age becomes quite an issue. 97 00:05:25,481 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: What does one do? 98 00:05:26,761 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 4: You know? 99 00:05:27,001 --> 00:05:29,601 Speaker 2: And when one gets out, how old is one? And 100 00:05:29,601 --> 00:05:32,161 Speaker 2: what is life about at that age? For me, I 101 00:05:32,201 --> 00:05:34,841 Speaker 2: look at you with inspiration and I think, wow, you know, 102 00:05:36,281 --> 00:05:40,241 Speaker 2: here you are and you're still looking youthful, but you've 103 00:05:40,281 --> 00:05:41,521 Speaker 2: got plenty of goals ahead. 104 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:47,921 Speaker 5: You're doing great things, and you haven't given up Anthony 105 00:05:47,921 --> 00:05:53,241 Speaker 5: on life mate, You're still you know, like, let's be blunt, 106 00:05:53,401 --> 00:05:55,401 Speaker 5: you don't have a lot of years and not looking 107 00:05:55,481 --> 00:05:57,081 Speaker 5: like you're a fucking thirty year old saying I've got 108 00:05:57,081 --> 00:05:58,641 Speaker 5: still thirty years to go, you know what I mean? 109 00:05:58,721 --> 00:05:59,641 Speaker 1: Or forty years to go. 110 00:06:00,961 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: Times ticking, and you're making the best of the situation. 111 00:06:04,641 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: So I just think that's it's when we talk about 112 00:06:07,521 --> 00:06:10,921 Speaker 2: redemption on the clink, that's it right there. Your story 113 00:06:11,041 --> 00:06:14,321 Speaker 2: is a story of redemption and through a lot of heartache, 114 00:06:14,361 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: a lot of pain. 115 00:06:16,721 --> 00:06:19,121 Speaker 1: But look at you. That's this is where it's. 116 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:20,801 Speaker 3: I just want to make one thing clear, you know, 117 00:06:20,841 --> 00:06:22,441 Speaker 3: because people can't see with me right now. 118 00:06:22,481 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 4: But you think I probably two three hundred street feints. 119 00:06:26,681 --> 00:06:29,361 Speaker 4: You think a guy gets this pretty if he doesn't win. 120 00:06:31,601 --> 00:06:32,241 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. 121 00:06:32,481 --> 00:06:34,681 Speaker 2: Your glasses that are sitting on your nose are actually 122 00:06:34,721 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: quite straight, so you must have had too many broken noses, 123 00:06:38,201 --> 00:06:38,801 Speaker 2: and your jaw. 124 00:06:38,681 --> 00:06:39,840 Speaker 1: Lines looking pretty ChIL. 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,041 Speaker 4: I wish we were on the air. I'd peel this 126 00:06:44,161 --> 00:06:45,481 Speaker 4: shirt off and show these guys. 127 00:06:45,601 --> 00:06:47,281 Speaker 1: Oh well, I'll tell you what. I'll tell you what 128 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:49,201 Speaker 1: we can. Let me get up. Let's let's get up. 129 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: Come on, let's get up, and let's see it because we. 130 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,001 Speaker 2: Can get a little video grab you for your promo. 131 00:06:53,161 --> 00:06:54,881 Speaker 2: We'll throw it out there and give everybody a look 132 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,801 Speaker 2: at the handsome bouci. 133 00:06:58,961 --> 00:07:00,281 Speaker 4: My girl wouldn't like that. 134 00:07:01,281 --> 00:07:05,721 Speaker 2: Gos the vegan flexa. 135 00:07:05,721 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: Ah, dear, I love enough. 136 00:07:09,361 --> 00:07:12,041 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, become very vulnerable at for well, don't you. 137 00:07:12,801 --> 00:07:14,241 Speaker 2: In the end, it's just like do it and get 138 00:07:14,241 --> 00:07:16,201 Speaker 2: it over and done with. You know exactly what's happening 139 00:07:16,921 --> 00:07:20,081 Speaker 2: right So for you, have you got any more sort 140 00:07:20,081 --> 00:07:23,161 Speaker 2: of I guess parole or anything like that. Is there 141 00:07:23,161 --> 00:07:26,521 Speaker 2: any ongoing things that you have to abide by all 142 00:07:26,641 --> 00:07:27,201 Speaker 2: connected to. 143 00:07:28,161 --> 00:07:29,801 Speaker 4: Yes, I'm halfway done right now. 144 00:07:29,841 --> 00:07:31,681 Speaker 3: I'm still got a few more years, but we're gonna 145 00:07:32,041 --> 00:07:35,121 Speaker 3: put a motion into the court to get me off early. 146 00:07:35,201 --> 00:07:37,681 Speaker 3: Because you know, of things I've done since I've been out. 147 00:07:37,761 --> 00:07:40,601 Speaker 3: I take care of my mom. I became a life coach. 148 00:07:40,681 --> 00:07:43,641 Speaker 3: I have a life coach people for free. In prison, 149 00:07:43,681 --> 00:07:46,201 Speaker 3: I was I trained dogs like I touched Soldia earlier. 150 00:07:46,241 --> 00:07:47,601 Speaker 4: And since I got out. 151 00:07:47,801 --> 00:07:51,521 Speaker 3: I volunteered and I trained dogs for free for a 152 00:07:51,521 --> 00:07:54,361 Speaker 3: couple of people. One of the guys, he's I think 153 00:07:54,401 --> 00:07:56,441 Speaker 3: I told you this, he lost his leg in the 154 00:07:56,441 --> 00:07:59,521 Speaker 3: Boston Marathon bombing, and he wanted to. 155 00:07:59,401 --> 00:08:01,601 Speaker 4: Pay me, but I did it for free, and you know, 156 00:08:01,721 --> 00:08:03,161 Speaker 4: as trying. 157 00:08:02,881 --> 00:08:06,561 Speaker 3: To give back to society because the poor guy was 158 00:08:06,681 --> 00:08:08,721 Speaker 3: just in the wrong place at the wrong time and 159 00:08:09,481 --> 00:08:11,761 Speaker 3: nobody should have to go through that. He lost his leg, 160 00:08:11,881 --> 00:08:14,601 Speaker 3: so and the dog was pulling, and so you know, 161 00:08:14,641 --> 00:08:17,401 Speaker 3: I trained the dog. So you know, I've done a 162 00:08:17,481 --> 00:08:21,001 Speaker 3: lot of nice things trying to change and show the 163 00:08:21,081 --> 00:08:24,721 Speaker 3: society I've changed, So hopefully the judge takes that into 164 00:08:24,801 --> 00:08:28,041 Speaker 3: consideration and lets me get off of this, because, to 165 00:08:28,081 --> 00:08:31,001 Speaker 3: be honest with you, if I was, i'd be if 166 00:08:31,001 --> 00:08:32,641 Speaker 3: I was able to leave the state and I was 167 00:08:32,681 --> 00:08:35,801 Speaker 3: in California a lot, I know that I could network 168 00:08:35,841 --> 00:08:39,641 Speaker 3: and meet the right people, but it's hard for Massachusetts 169 00:08:39,721 --> 00:08:42,801 Speaker 3: three thirty two hundred miles away, and you know it's 170 00:08:42,841 --> 00:08:45,801 Speaker 3: easier in person then I'm you know, on the phone. 171 00:08:45,881 --> 00:08:48,121 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not easy. 172 00:08:48,641 --> 00:08:51,521 Speaker 1: I totally agree. I'd look. I pray that you know 173 00:08:51,601 --> 00:08:52,881 Speaker 1: it does turn out in that way. 174 00:08:52,921 --> 00:08:57,321 Speaker 2: I mean, surely you were given uh can we call 175 00:08:57,361 --> 00:08:59,881 Speaker 2: it leniency at the end of your sentence to be released. 176 00:09:00,201 --> 00:09:01,921 Speaker 2: Would you use that word? Be happy to use that. 177 00:09:02,041 --> 00:09:05,161 Speaker 2: I mean, if that's been the case, and you have 178 00:09:05,201 --> 00:09:08,601 Speaker 2: shown that you're you're a full manner of redemption who's 179 00:09:08,641 --> 00:09:10,881 Speaker 2: come out and in no way, shape or form, has 180 00:09:10,921 --> 00:09:14,521 Speaker 2: any means to be anybody like he was man. 181 00:09:15,041 --> 00:09:17,721 Speaker 1: You know, let let's be real blunt again. 182 00:09:18,921 --> 00:09:21,641 Speaker 2: If you were coming out an angry man and rebelling 183 00:09:21,681 --> 00:09:25,361 Speaker 2: against the system, wow, I couldn't imagine you're still being 184 00:09:25,401 --> 00:09:25,801 Speaker 2: out now. 185 00:09:25,841 --> 00:09:26,401 Speaker 1: You'd be life. 186 00:09:26,561 --> 00:09:28,401 Speaker 2: You would you would have come out, you would have 187 00:09:28,441 --> 00:09:31,921 Speaker 2: gone right on with something, you know, like you've you've 188 00:09:32,201 --> 00:09:34,681 Speaker 2: you've not done that. You've not shown any way, shape 189 00:09:34,761 --> 00:09:37,161 Speaker 2: or form that you've come out with any aggressive motive. 190 00:09:38,441 --> 00:09:42,041 Speaker 2: You know, you've not come out with anything but positive change, 191 00:09:42,721 --> 00:09:47,201 Speaker 2: with education, with compassion, even through all your trauma and 192 00:09:47,241 --> 00:09:50,961 Speaker 2: heartache that you've gone through. I feel that surely there 193 00:09:51,041 --> 00:09:53,201 Speaker 2: must be someone out there that can acknowledge that and 194 00:09:53,201 --> 00:09:57,001 Speaker 2: give you, you know, time, your time's done for the crime 195 00:09:57,001 --> 00:10:05,041 Speaker 2: that you did. Like, man, wow, I just can't fathom 196 00:10:05,121 --> 00:10:06,801 Speaker 2: those amount of years getting thrown at me. 197 00:10:07,001 --> 00:10:08,961 Speaker 1: And it's you know, it wasn't. 198 00:10:08,881 --> 00:10:11,961 Speaker 2: A serious arm robbery or murder or you know, a 199 00:10:11,961 --> 00:10:14,721 Speaker 2: crime with so much violence in it. 200 00:10:14,721 --> 00:10:17,561 Speaker 1: It was Yeah, it was. 201 00:10:17,481 --> 00:10:21,041 Speaker 4: A one day, fifteen minute scam of a. 202 00:10:21,001 --> 00:10:24,281 Speaker 2: Drug deal exactly, you know what I mean. And yeah, okay, 203 00:10:24,281 --> 00:10:26,161 Speaker 2: it was a dirty, dirty word because it's you know, 204 00:10:26,201 --> 00:10:29,761 Speaker 2: involved around drugs. But it wasn't like you were, you know, 205 00:10:30,121 --> 00:10:33,721 Speaker 2: attacking an innocent It was nothing untoward you you were 206 00:10:33,761 --> 00:10:36,161 Speaker 2: around and I'm not trying to justify this, but in 207 00:10:36,201 --> 00:10:40,121 Speaker 2: the explanation to what took place, your path was changing 208 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:42,961 Speaker 2: back then. It wasn't like you were that hardcore dude 209 00:10:43,201 --> 00:10:45,401 Speaker 2: who was still continuing to live that life. You had 210 00:10:45,401 --> 00:10:49,081 Speaker 2: your life in order. Things were good. You did make 211 00:10:49,121 --> 00:10:51,521 Speaker 2: a choice to go and help some buddies in a 212 00:10:51,561 --> 00:10:57,801 Speaker 2: situation that obviously went south to then receiving that sentence, 213 00:10:58,641 --> 00:11:01,201 Speaker 2: which is just mind blowing. Here in Australia, I could 214 00:11:01,361 --> 00:11:06,681 Speaker 2: never imagine someone getting anywhere near those numbers, you know. 215 00:11:06,841 --> 00:11:09,801 Speaker 2: I just the way the American law is set up 216 00:11:10,441 --> 00:11:14,281 Speaker 2: is extremely harsh, I believe in reference to your striking 217 00:11:14,361 --> 00:11:17,601 Speaker 2: laws and all that sort of stuff, and like, wow, 218 00:11:17,681 --> 00:11:18,721 Speaker 2: so many men in jail. 219 00:11:18,881 --> 00:11:22,041 Speaker 4: I mean, you know what's funny. 220 00:11:22,241 --> 00:11:24,441 Speaker 3: When I was doing my time and I just started, 221 00:11:24,481 --> 00:11:27,081 Speaker 3: and I was on my way to my first prison, 222 00:11:27,161 --> 00:11:30,521 Speaker 3: I was talking to a guy and he says, what 223 00:11:30,521 --> 00:11:31,121 Speaker 3: are you win for? 224 00:11:32,001 --> 00:11:38,561 Speaker 4: And I said, conspiracy to distributed three kettles of cocaine, 225 00:11:38,561 --> 00:11:39,841 Speaker 4: because that's how they charged me. 226 00:11:39,841 --> 00:11:41,881 Speaker 3: They're heavy with the conspiracy. So what are you in 227 00:11:41,961 --> 00:11:46,241 Speaker 3: here for? And he told me conspiracy for three murders? 228 00:11:46,841 --> 00:11:50,761 Speaker 3: Said would you get for time? He said ten years? Wow? 229 00:11:52,321 --> 00:11:55,641 Speaker 1: Wow? And had he had he served time before? 230 00:11:57,401 --> 00:11:57,481 Speaker 4: No? 231 00:11:58,481 --> 00:12:00,841 Speaker 2: So okay, do you think that that may have been 232 00:12:00,881 --> 00:12:03,881 Speaker 2: the difference between your higher sentence because it had been 233 00:12:04,041 --> 00:12:04,841 Speaker 2: like your third. 234 00:12:04,601 --> 00:12:09,201 Speaker 3: Time, it was actually my second offense, and sorry second 235 00:12:10,121 --> 00:12:11,201 Speaker 3: and I got five. 236 00:12:11,281 --> 00:12:12,881 Speaker 4: I did get five extra years. 237 00:12:13,121 --> 00:12:16,001 Speaker 3: You know, they doubled the five year minimumentary for the drugs, 238 00:12:16,641 --> 00:12:21,001 Speaker 3: but you know, still the bottom line is I wouldn't become, 239 00:12:21,041 --> 00:12:22,881 Speaker 3: as you call it in Australia. 240 00:12:22,481 --> 00:12:24,801 Speaker 4: A crown witness. We call it a. 241 00:12:24,841 --> 00:12:25,561 Speaker 3: Rat over here. 242 00:12:25,961 --> 00:12:29,041 Speaker 4: But I wouldn't become a crown witness. So they threw 243 00:12:29,081 --> 00:12:29,681 Speaker 4: the book at me.