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Speaker 2: Jawn jessper Jensen. He was a granddad and a loving
Speaker 2: father to his two daughters. His wife had died, and
Speaker 2: although he had some medical conditions and had suffered depression
Speaker 2: a few days before he disappeared, he was said to
Speaker 2: be in good spirits and chirpy. Head back to the
Speaker 2: previous three episodes to hear how the story's unfolded. On Tuesday,
Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of June twenty seventeen, police make a
Speaker 2: public appeal for information around Jawn's disappearance.
Speaker 3: Any informations from the great appreciating Yeah, it's a beautiful granddad.
Speaker 4: One now, they say it's completely unlike the widower to
Speaker 4: go out for so long without making contact.
Speaker 2: That night, his empty car is found an hour and
Speaker 2: seventeen minutes away in a sleepy fishing town called Anselm.
Speaker 2: Police are able to pull CCTV records of the highways
Speaker 2: on the trip and spot a car that looks like Jawn's,
Speaker 2: but the images are grainy and it's impossible to see
Speaker 2: who's driving the car and if there are any passengers.
Speaker 2: There is one thing that's crystal clear. It's the car
Speaker 2: that's found outside the Lanslam Beach Hotel is Jawns and
Speaker 2: he's not in it. Joe Burr is the investigating officer
Speaker 2: in charge of the case in wa. Joe was instrumental
Speaker 2: in writing the brief for the coroner, and he told
Speaker 2: me about the forensics that were done once Jawn's car
Speaker 2: had been found.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct, so we the steering will and the
Speaker 5: headrest of the vehicle were actually forensically analyzed. Obbs were
Speaker 5: sent off for analysis and it did come back that
Speaker 5: mister Jensen's DNA was located on the steering wheel of
Speaker 5: the vehicle. It's not something that we do in every
Speaker 5: mis in person case. It comes down to those initial
Speaker 5: investigative critical decisions that are made at that point. I
Speaker 5: guess they're looking at every possible avenue that this investigation
Speaker 5: could go down. So I think it was a good
Speaker 5: decision to take those swabs because you know, it wasn't
Speaker 5: known at the time how they were going to come back,
Speaker 5: but and what other supporting evidence could be located further
Speaker 5: down the line that could mean that that DNA swab
Speaker 5: was important. But we did get a mixed profile on
Speaker 5: the steering wheel, but that's not unusual in itself because Obviously,
Speaker 5: with most vehicles, you have a number of people driving
Speaker 5: the car and your hands are a good source on
Speaker 5: the steering wheel of leaving DNA in that location. There
Speaker 5: was DNA located on the steering wheel that we didn't get.
Speaker 4: A match on.
Speaker 5: But you know, black could come back to anyone. You
Speaker 5: could be looking at mechanics, service centers, family members, neighbors,
Speaker 5: anybody that's been in that vehicle. So the location of
Speaker 5: mixed profile there isn't in itself something that we need
Speaker 5: to be suspicious about.
Speaker 2: So a mixed profile essentially means someone else's DNA in
Speaker 2: the car. Both the two daughters of Jehorn Jensen's DNA
Speaker 2: were also taken and they were excluded from the two
Speaker 2: other matches in the car. Is that right?
Speaker 5: So their DNA wasn't wasn't a match there. Quite often
Speaker 5: we take nets of kin DNA not only for that
Speaker 5: forensic purpose, but also for the possible future identification of
Speaker 5: any any located human remains. So we would usually take
Speaker 5: the nets of kin DNA, and that's an action that
Speaker 5: should be taken in most long term miss in persons.
Speaker 5: Up it was there was no match per se with
Speaker 5: the DNA that was located on that steering wheel with
Speaker 5: the daughters.
Speaker 2: Both daughters had said that they had driven the car before,
Speaker 2: but they also said that partners had also driven John's car,
Speaker 2: and mister Jensen's neighbors had also driven his car at
Speaker 2: some point. So it's feasible that they could be from
Speaker 2: a myriad of different people.
Speaker 5: Anything that touches anything else, you know, you could even
Speaker 5: somebody's DNA could be on that steerweel that hasn't even
Speaker 5: driven the car. If someone was to shake hands with
Speaker 5: somebody and then step into their car. You know, the
Speaker 5: DNA is a wonderful tool, but it's not always on
Speaker 5: its own something that can be used to solve a case.
Speaker 2: Bell told us that she employed a forensic scientists herself.
Speaker 2: He was critical of the fact that the police didn't
Speaker 2: retain mister Jensen's car for more thorough forensic examination, which
Speaker 2: he said was should have been tested the vehicle driver
Speaker 2: side footwell and its boots. Did you have a view
Speaker 2: on that at the time.
Speaker 5: I actually think, compared to the vast array of other
Speaker 5: miss in person cases that I deal with, they actually
Speaker 5: went above and beyond what would usually be done at
Speaker 5: the initial scene of a missing person vehicle, because what
Speaker 5: the forensic officer was I guess looking at at that
Speaker 5: time is purely from a position of that there could
Speaker 5: be some criminality involved in this. But the initial assessment
Speaker 5: of the investigation that continues to this day is that
Speaker 5: no evidence of any criminality has been located. So if
Speaker 5: you were looking at it as a crime scene, then yes,
Speaker 5: if you were looking at it it's solely a miss
Speaker 5: in person case, where you have no supporting evidence that
Speaker 5: somebody else has driven that vehicle, then I wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 5: concur with that opinion because they have had the foresight
Speaker 5: to swab the steering wheels, to swab their head wreck.
Speaker 5: We can always look back on these things with hindsight,
Speaker 5: and obviously certain things have been raised that it would
Speaker 5: be it would be prudent now to look back and
Speaker 5: be able to swab the football, for example, But the
Speaker 5: critical decision at the time was that that was not necessary,
Speaker 5: and I haven't seen any corroborating evidence that says that
Speaker 5: would show anything different for what we currently have.
Speaker 2: Bell also confirmed to me that it is very likely
Speaker 2: her DNA would have been in the car and in
Speaker 2: the house, and that a sister had stayed over a
Speaker 2: dad's many times to keep an eye on him.
Speaker 6: Look, there was a mattress. It was set up in
Speaker 6: opposite to where that foot spar.
Speaker 4: Was sort of set up, but it was, you know,
Speaker 4: a bit of a weird spot. But yes, my sister,
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, she did say that she would go
Speaker 4: over there and keep an eye on him and when
Speaker 4: he was going through rough times and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: So yeah, she said she was obviously sleeping there. But
Speaker 4: strange enough, the DNA sampen wasn't strong enough because both
Speaker 4: of us, due to my forensic investigator expert, you know, luckily,
Speaker 4: we pushed for them to take our DNA because I said, well,
Speaker 4: surely we should be doing that, especially if down the track,
Speaker 4: if we do find him, you know, you want to
Speaker 4: have that DNA on file, right, So we were trying
Speaker 4: to exclude everyone. So yeah, we both had our DNA,
Speaker 4: and but yeah, strange enough, they couldn't They couldn't include
Speaker 4: or exclude her as being the other DNA that was found.
Speaker 2: On that bad Police also state in the Kindness report
Speaker 2: there was no evidence of a cleanup in an attempt
Speaker 2: to conceal or deceive evidence.
Speaker 6: Correct.
Speaker 4: Look, there was comments from one particular officer at the
Speaker 4: time where he sort of had eluded that he did
Speaker 4: part of his initials, you know, said he didn't look
Speaker 4: like there was a.
Speaker 6: Cleanup or some sort of cleanup.
Speaker 4: But at that point I think he was thinking maybe
Speaker 4: he's tried to clean it up just to get to
Speaker 4: the hospital, I'm assuming, But no, it.
Speaker 6: Was very much.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the scene was unusual, and I guess
Speaker 4: they were sort of a soy. No, No, it didn't
Speaker 4: didn't look like a cleanup, but it was odd that
Speaker 4: there was no blood at all found from this one
Speaker 4: particular area. You know, if he's walked out of the house,
Speaker 4: there would have been blood either through the lounge on
Speaker 4: the carpet, or through the tiles, or in the football
Speaker 4: of the car, especially after driving an hour seventeen. You know,
Speaker 4: if he's adrenaline, if he's adrenaline's pumping, wouldn't wouldn't that
Speaker 4: be you know, you.
Speaker 6: Would think you would find blood elsewhere.
Speaker 2: There was no blood in the.
Speaker 3: Car, and there was no blood in the car, And
Speaker 3: he actually was on blood thinning medication at the so
Speaker 3: his ability to be able to stop the bleeding would
Speaker 3: have been very limited. So we would expect that to
Speaker 3: be blood in the car.
Speaker 2: It's important to state that we're not accusing anyone of
Speaker 2: any wrongdoing in this podcast. We're simply stating some points
Speaker 2: of view that don't necessarily agree with each other. Police
Speaker 2: are very clear that there doesn't seem to be any
Speaker 2: criminality involved in the case of the missing man John Jensen,
Speaker 2: Darren and Bell don't agree on this point.
Speaker 4: I think he was murdered. No, I, one hand, on
Speaker 4: my heart believe he was murdered.
Speaker 2: If something untoward did happen to Jasper, there would have
Speaker 2: had to been a motive, something that stood out and
Speaker 2: possibly could lead to police investigating a different path, or
Speaker 2: more sinister path. I asked Joe Burr about John's bank
Speaker 2: records and his financial situation.
Speaker 5: The issue when you're looking back at somebody's financial records
Speaker 5: is you never you're never prudent to the transactions or
Speaker 5: the conversations or the agreements that people have with family,
Speaker 5: with people they know, so it's always difficult to look
Speaker 5: back and think that certain things do look amiss. There
Speaker 5: there was transactions like normal transactions, like anybody's accounts, but
Speaker 5: there was there was obviously agreements in place with people
Speaker 5: and it's not up to me, you know, I can't
Speaker 5: talk about somebody else's financial situation. But there wasn't anything
Speaker 5: necessarily that meant to us that there was any link
Speaker 5: to his finances to the disappearance of mister Jensen.
Speaker 2: What we can see from the kind of support that
Speaker 2: he's had a few bank accounts. One was with IG
Speaker 2: and was dormant since twenty fourteen. Then he had an
Speaker 2: every day account with NAB and the last time that
Speaker 2: was touched before his disappearance was the nineteenth of June,
Speaker 2: which was six days before his disappearance, and the son
Speaker 2: was three hundred dollars. Bell had mentioned in our chat
Speaker 2: that a dad was very a creature of habit. He
Speaker 2: would have the same dinner every night, he would do
Speaker 2: the same things very often. He would sit in the
Speaker 2: front room watch tally, and he would often visit the
Speaker 2: bank on the same day. And from her perspective, she
Speaker 2: said that his visits to the bank over the last
Speaker 2: sort of three to four months became a little more
Speaker 2: sporadic and random, if you like, with different amounts. Did
Speaker 2: police investigate anything prior to his disappearance and the transactions
Speaker 2: across his bank accounts.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we did look at it. We usually next to
Speaker 5: see what the run is. If a missing personal investigation
Speaker 5: goes long term, we will try and create some kind
Speaker 5: of victimology, some kind of gauge of that person's life
Speaker 5: and their usual activities. I can't disagree with Belle obviously.
Speaker 5: You know I was never fortunate enough to meet missus Jason,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure she knows that that's very well, so
Speaker 5: I wouldn't disagree with her assessment of that. But it's
Speaker 5: impossible from an investigator's point of view to actually determined
Speaker 5: that any change of activity is due to anything untoward.
Speaker 5: You know, we certain people are people have habit, like
Speaker 5: you say, but our lives change, and certain conversations happen,
Speaker 5: and certain routes you go down different routes to what
Speaker 5: you might have done before. So you know, there's no
Speaker 5: evidence there. There's no evidence that I've seen that suggests
Speaker 5: that any kind of visit to ATM anything untoward has
Speaker 5: happened that has then led to his disappearance.
Speaker 2: Now, Bell, I guess doesn't share the same view. She
Speaker 2: has a more sinister view of what has occurred, and
Speaker 2: I know she shared that with you numerous times. Is
Speaker 2: there any evidence from a police perspective and from the
Speaker 2: corner's report that is in line with Bells thinking that
Speaker 2: something more sinister happened to her father.
Speaker 5: Well, my heart goes out to Bell and Darren and
Speaker 5: the rest of the family. Going through this kind of
Speaker 5: situation is everybody's worst nightmare, there's no and it's hard
Speaker 5: as an investigator of miss person cases because you can't
Speaker 5: give people the resolution that they need. And until you
Speaker 5: can give them a resolution, until you reached that conclusion,
Speaker 5: anything that happens is not necessarily one hundred percent accurate.
Speaker 5: And the issue you have as a family member is
Speaker 5: you never actually know. So I will I always applaud
Speaker 5: Belinda and Darren for keeping up the intensity of the
Speaker 5: investigation and for you know, looking out for their father
Speaker 5: and wanting to find the truth. But in reality, I
Speaker 5: think when I look at all of the information, all
Speaker 5: of the evidence that I concur with the currenter that well,
Speaker 5: the current is given an open verdict, but that is
Speaker 5: to be expected because we don't actually know. We don't
Speaker 5: have cast iron evidence of what happened on that day,
Speaker 5: but we also don't have any evidence, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: to suggest that any any criminal activity has taken place
Speaker 5: and any criminal activity has led to missus Jensen's disappearance.
Speaker 5: When you're looking at a missing personal investigation, you look
Speaker 5: at the criminality aspects, you look at the misadventure aspect,
Speaker 5: and you look at the possible self harm aspects. And I, personally,
Speaker 5: based on now I've been dinning with this case for
Speaker 5: a long time, I can't say that self harmer's taking place.
Speaker 5: I don't know that self palmer's taking place, and I
Speaker 5: would hate to offend the family in any way by
Speaker 5: indicating that somebody that we don't know as investigators have
Speaker 5: the intense self harm. We don't know that happens. People
Speaker 5: get disorientated, that could have happened. We don't know that
Speaker 5: that happened. But obviously the element you know, we we're
Speaker 5: missing Persentine. We're part of the homicide squad because I
Speaker 5: have to be in a location where if we determine
Speaker 5: any criminality, we work with homicide squad detectives to reach
Speaker 5: the resolution and to find somebody responsible for the criminality.
Speaker 5: And the reality is as hard as we have looked
Speaker 5: and we have investigated this, there's no evidence I believe
Speaker 5: that there has been any of that criminal activity has
Speaker 5: taken part in this disappearance.
Speaker 2: As I've mentioned throughout this podcast, Belle and her big
Speaker 2: sister don't talk anymore. In fact, I don't think it's
Speaker 2: overstating the point to say they dislike each other. It's
Speaker 2: sad because as I look back through photos of these
Speaker 2: two little blonde girls playing with their big mountain of
Speaker 2: a dad sitting on his shoulders at a family holiday
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven in Melbourne, it's not hard to
Speaker 2: imagine how close they once were. We've refrained from mentioning
Speaker 2: her name in this podcast, which will continue to honor
Speaker 2: as Belle mentioned, this is her story. We do have
Speaker 2: a copy of Belle's sister's police statement that was made
Speaker 2: on the thirtieth of June twenty seventeen. It states lots
Speaker 2: of facts, the fact that her dad owned his house
Speaker 2: on Rainbow View in Ocean Reef outright, that he was
Speaker 2: financially supported by his super that her relationship with her
Speaker 2: dad was close and they would see him almost every
Speaker 2: second day and they would speak every day. John's eldest
Speaker 2: daughter also mentioned that she would stay at a dad's
Speaker 2: house when he was feeling low, and that she would
Speaker 2: sleep in a bed made up in the lamb's room.
Speaker 2: Sometimes at those sleepovers she would take his keys and
Speaker 2: his medication and put them next to her overnight. She
Speaker 2: says as a precaution in her words to police, I.
Speaker 1: Don't believe he would have ever done anything to hurt himself.
Speaker 1: He just needed my company.
Speaker 2: In point thirteen of her statement, which was made in
Speaker 2: Lancelain while the searches took place, she mentions that she'd
Speaker 2: taken a dad to her family doctor and he was
Speaker 2: reducing the dose of neuronton, the drug that might have
Speaker 2: added to his depression. We've used an actress to read
Speaker 2: parts of her statement.
Speaker 1: He stopped taking it all together at least three weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Since Dad stopped taking that medication, he had not spoken
Speaker 1: again of suicide.
Speaker 2: This was not the only statement that Belle's sister made.
Speaker 2: On the fourteenth of December twenty seventeen, she made another
Speaker 2: statement to police. It covers some of the same detail,
Speaker 2: However it's much longer and it was made to a
Speaker 2: detective in Perth. She talked of her dad's immense pain
Speaker 2: in that statement.
Speaker 1: I remember when Dad's feet got so painful. At times,
Speaker 1: he would bash his broken wrist to try and take
Speaker 1: away the pain. He told me he would hit it
Speaker 1: because he wanted to take the pain away from his feet.
Speaker 1: Dad became very emotional in the last year and would
Speaker 1: talk about Mam a lot. He would cry at different
Speaker 1: times and would tell me he missed her. He would
Speaker 1: also just cry about his situation and that he couldn't
Speaker 1: do anything because of his feet.
Speaker 2: She also mentions to police that at the time of
Speaker 2: his disappearance he was on around fifteen different types of medication,
Speaker 2: and she details some of his suicidal thoughts.
Speaker 1: In the last at least twelve months. Once a week
Speaker 1: Dad would mention what I believe were suicidal thoughts. He
Speaker 1: would say things like why am I here, I've got
Speaker 1: no life? What's the point? That would be on his
Speaker 1: low days, but I could perkin cheer him back up.
Speaker 1: He would also say things in a joking manner to me.
Speaker 1: On numerous occasions, he would say, Geez, the pain was
Speaker 1: so bad last night that Camery looked good. I could
Speaker 1: have got the hose out. He would also text me
Speaker 1: and write me messages in private message at night on
Speaker 1: that game Words with friends. He would write things at
Speaker 1: sometimes four in the morning, like I can't take this anymore.
Speaker 1: I can't take the pain. The pills aren't working, and
Speaker 1: my feet are on fire. He would also sometimes call
Speaker 1: me on my mobile and would be crying, not being
Speaker 1: able to talk. I would go straight up and stay
Speaker 1: with him on those nights and try and make him
Speaker 1: feel better. When I would stay with him, I would
Speaker 1: hide the keys to his car and medication in bed
Speaker 1: with me so that he didn't do anything silly. Up
Speaker 1: until Dad went missing, I was at his home almost
Speaker 1: every night, wast every night, every night, every night.
Speaker 2: Jawn's finances have been a matter of discussion for the sisters.
Speaker 2: Nothing suspicious has been noted by police. In her statement,
Speaker 2: Belle's sister says that on the day she went to
Speaker 2: her dad's house after he was reported missing, she walked
Speaker 2: through the house. I was in complete shock.
Speaker 1: There was blood in Dad's footbath and blood all over
Speaker 1: the floor on the tiles. I was in complete shock.
Speaker 1: I was made aware that the police had been contacted
Speaker 1: the previous night. At some stage, I noticed that Dad's
Speaker 1: medicines were all accounted for because they were on the bench.
Speaker 1: I went into his bedroom and noticed his wallet and
Speaker 1: hearing aids were on a set of drawers. His iPad
Speaker 1: was there in the lounge room near his seat. Dad
Speaker 1: had a Christmas cardboard box underneath a side table in
Speaker 1: the front laund room which contained Dad's cash money. Inside
Speaker 1: the box was four thousand dollars in cash fifty dollar notes,
Speaker 1: which I grabbed whilst Belinda and were present. I took
Speaker 1: the cash money home and paid bills with that money.
Speaker 1: I have all the receipts for the money I spent
Speaker 1: on bills.
Speaker 2: Belle's recollections of a dad's bank accounts, of his financial position,
Speaker 2: and her knowledge of her father and how he used
Speaker 2: money is important. As the police explained, it's impossible to
Speaker 2: know how a families spend their money before something like
Speaker 2: this happens. Financial affairs are normally very private. Bell is
Speaker 2: careful about accusing anyone of anything criminal. When I asked
Speaker 2: her about her dad's bank accounts, that's.
Speaker 6: A tricker one. That's a tricker one. I gotta be
Speaker 6: careful what I will say. And I think it's important
Speaker 6: to say this and I have it right because this
Speaker 6: is my dad. This is my story.
Speaker 4: This is what happened the friday before my dad went missing.
Speaker 6: I popped in on my way home.
Speaker 2: From work.
Speaker 4: He was holding an AHM slip in his hand and
Speaker 4: he said, Bendy, this person is a stole of my money,
Speaker 4: and this particular ATMs. I didn't see how much was
Speaker 4: in his bank account at the time, and I didn't
Speaker 4: realize it's a verity of it. I knew we had
Speaker 4: some financial issues sort of leading up to that period,
Speaker 4: and I didn't realize this verity of the problem at
Speaker 4: that time, but I also thought I'd have time to
Speaker 4: sort it out, so so yeah, some at the time,
Speaker 4: he only had sort of I think it was twelve
Speaker 4: hundred and forty six dollars left in his bank account,
Speaker 4: and I would have thought he would have had thousands,
Speaker 4: like hundreds of thousands, like he used to have a
Speaker 4: savings account.
Speaker 6: We should have had hundreds.
Speaker 4: Of thousands in it, and for him I didn't have
Speaker 4: just over one thousand dollars. Did not make sense.
Speaker 3: Both of his bank accounts were bled of them.
Speaker 6: It was nothing.
Speaker 4: But again I was told because nothing came, nothing was
Speaker 4: taken out after the fact, that that doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: When you say bled dry transferred to someone, given to someone.
Speaker 3: Well, he had sorry, he had a savings account through
Speaker 3: Y and G which had over. I once said, had
Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars, but that's what he used to
Speaker 3: pay for his holidays or whatever out of But there
Speaker 3: was a seventy seventy four thousand dollars transfer for a
Speaker 3: holiday apparently that he never went on. So we can't
Speaker 3: explain that. It just says seventy four thousand dollars transfer holiday,
Speaker 3: dash resleep. But Bell booked all these holidays and that
Speaker 3: he didn't go on holidays, not a holiday for seventy
Speaker 3: four thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Where was that transfer made too?
Speaker 3: It was made to another one of his accounts, and
Speaker 3: then from that account a check was written out in
Speaker 3: someone's name.
Speaker 2: Was your dad wealthy?
Speaker 4: Look, he wasn't wealthy, he was he you know, he.
Speaker 6: He had plenty of money.
Speaker 4: He even said to me at one point, you know,
Speaker 4: because he's very old school, you know, it was always
Speaker 4: pay off your mortgage first. Don't use the ATM all
Speaker 4: the time, you know, back in the day when he
Speaker 4: used to get you know, fees from using ATMs.
Speaker 6: He's always had plentying.
Speaker 4: You always had least three hundred cash in his wallet,
Speaker 4: you know, always he actually kept money at his at
Speaker 4: his property for a rainy day and at one point
Speaker 4: he goes helps you up.
Speaker 7: To like eighty thousand dollars. He had eighty thousand dollars
Speaker 7: kept in his at home and you know he had money.
Speaker 7: He had he could go on all the holidays. I
Speaker 7: mean he worked hard as the labor to you know,
Speaker 7: he had had a mortgage since the eighties because we
Speaker 7: built it. He built his own house with his own
Speaker 7: you know, in Woodvales, so he wasn't in debt.
Speaker 6: He pretty much just had, you know.
Speaker 4: When we were on although it was a bit of
Speaker 4: a tight ask growing up, I looked, admit, but you know,
Speaker 4: if you were on holidays and all that, that's when
Speaker 4: you knew that.
Speaker 6: You know, he saw me sitting there in South Africa.
Speaker 4: I was like, I want that egg that, you know,
Speaker 4: one of those email things that I really wanted money
Speaker 4: and he ended up just buying it for me. You know,
Speaker 4: He's like, don't be silly, you know, and you know,
Speaker 4: things like that. So he didn't spend money previously. He
Speaker 4: was very cautious with his money and so he had
Speaker 4: he should have had a lot more money than what
Speaker 4: he did have when he went Missy.
Speaker 2: Did police investigate the transfers of money.
Speaker 4: Look again, I I reported it first to the first
Speaker 4: officer because obviously, after eight months it was the case
Speaker 4: was handled over to SUTN Joseph. But prior to that,
Speaker 4: the investigator I rang him as soon as basically when
Speaker 4: I got a strange from my sister. There was alarm
Speaker 4: bells and we had an incident, and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I got to get a bank statement,
Speaker 4: and I just went around to Dad's every day, and
Speaker 4: thank god, I finally got one of his edit his
Speaker 4: final anab statement, And that's when it hit me what
Speaker 4: that Friday conversation was all about, because there was a
Speaker 4: lot of Although you look at it and maybe from
Speaker 4: the police perspective, no, maybe it doesn't look that bad.
Speaker 4: But when you see a fifty dollars ATM transaction when
Speaker 4: this man's not driving, so he's driven, you know, gone
Speaker 4: with Whiford's, and this man's got thousands of dollars at
Speaker 4: his house already and he's not going out or doing anything,
Speaker 4: and you've got transactions for three hundred and then going
Speaker 4: back an hour later and going get another three hundred.
Speaker 6: Out what the you know?
Speaker 4: He he was He was a creature habit. He did
Speaker 4: get at a certain amount at a certain time, and
Speaker 4: you could see these patterns change. I've put every transaction
Speaker 4: into a spreadsheet, extrapolated every bloody report you possibly can,
Speaker 4: and you can.
Speaker 6: See a change.
Speaker 4: You see when he was going, it'd go at a
Speaker 4: certain time, almost to the like two o'clock on a Friday,
Speaker 4: for example, do you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Then it turned into in the last six.
Speaker 4: Months, there was no consistency and there were a lot
Speaker 4: of transactions, and even in that last since the fall,
Speaker 4: I think had been taken out and I'm like, why
Speaker 4: he had money next to him and at that point
Speaker 4: he wasn't going anywhere, He wasn't playing golf, he wasn't
Speaker 4: what was he spending the money on.
Speaker 2: Did you hand this over to police?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I read police as soon as I had his,
Speaker 4: and they came out. They came out to my house,
Speaker 4: but I was pretty much told that no money's gone
Speaker 4: out after the fact, you know. So he's basically if
Speaker 4: he whatever he wanted to do with his money is
Speaker 4: his choice and it was his decision. I guess it
Speaker 4: was looked upon that I was had animosity or that
Speaker 4: I was worried that you know someone else was getting
Speaker 4: money and I wasn't, but I wasn't the case.
Speaker 3: I'm fortunately sorry to interopic, but unfortunately when you mentioned money,
Speaker 3: it starts to sound like a civil matter. It sounds like, yeah, money,
Speaker 3: but I'm forced in this situation. We're trying to find
Speaker 3: out what's happened to a man, and this man's money
Speaker 3: had gone missing. They said two things. They said, no
Speaker 3: money has gone since, and that it doesn't mean that
Speaker 3: this person that we're talking about has done it. And
Speaker 3: pretty much the only thing we can see as far
Speaker 3: as the investigation that money goes as one email, which
Speaker 3: was sent to someone we can't say, and that was
Speaker 3: basically saying that there seems to be a lot of
Speaker 3: spending going on, a lot of a lot of money
Speaker 3: going out of accounts. Basically, did your dad sorry, did
Speaker 3: he owe any money? Did just borrow any money? So
Speaker 3: that but that's all we seem to know as far
Speaker 3: as the investigation went. They didn't want to know about
Speaker 3: the money we just got. Told us the civil matter
Speaker 3: doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 2: Did your dad have any gambling issues anything?
Speaker 4: God no, If he enjoyed going to the casino, but
Speaker 4: he was one of these blokes that would just down
Speaker 4: there and watch it. You know, he enjoyed just and
Speaker 4: you know, but he went too hard for his money.
Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't no and he did not owe
Speaker 4: any money. He didn't have a mortgage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, straight out to know in the next episode, and
Speaker 2: did the psyche to study anything?
Speaker 6: He did. Look, I didn't sort of get a reading.
Speaker 4: It was sort of one of those, you know, fairly
Speaker 4: intimate little settings where you know.
Speaker 6: He'll go around reading people. And I kept putting my.
Speaker 4: Hand up right at the very end, and then he
Speaker 4: put me and obviously, you know, sort of started to
Speaker 4: sort of connect down whatever. And then you could see
Speaker 4: him instantly, Yeah, look quite ill, and just went what
Speaker 4: what's happened? What? And then he goes, was your dad murdered?
Speaker 4: And I said, well, it's still under investcabe. You know,
Speaker 4: we haven't found his body. And he goes, I can't
Speaker 4: talk to you about this in front of everyone else.
Speaker 4: You know, I'll talk to you after the seminar.
Speaker 8: He's also showing you people taking people have got in.
Speaker 8: What there was males that have got into the people
Speaker 8: getting or taking or have dune get in. It's like
Speaker 8: there's a group of males that have got He's gone,
Speaker 8: he's deceased, but the way that he passed or the
Speaker 8: way it's like somebody has taken him or got him.
Speaker 8: That's what I mean when with a life.
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