WEBVTT - Was my Dad taken by someone? 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.801 Apogee Production. 0:00:10.841 --> 0:00:14.001 Jawn jessper Jensen. He was a granddad and a loving 0:00:14.081 --> 0:00:16.961 father to his two daughters. His wife had died, and 0:00:17.001 --> 0:00:20.480 although he had some medical conditions and had suffered depression 0:00:21.121 --> 0:00:23.961 a few days before he disappeared, he was said to 0:00:23.961 --> 0:00:27.401 be in good spirits and chirpy. Head back to the 0:00:27.441 --> 0:00:34.681 previous three episodes to hear how the story's unfolded. On Tuesday, 0:00:34.721 --> 0:00:38.681 the twenty seventh of June twenty seventeen, police make a 0:00:38.721 --> 0:00:42.201 public appeal for information around Jawn's disappearance. 0:00:42.961 --> 0:00:49.001 Any informations from the great appreciating Yeah, it's a beautiful granddad. 0:00:50.561 --> 0:00:54.161 One now, they say it's completely unlike the widower to 0:00:54.241 --> 0:00:56.681 go out for so long without making contact. 0:00:58.001 --> 0:01:01.481 That night, his empty car is found an hour and 0:01:01.561 --> 0:01:05.481 seventeen minutes away in a sleepy fishing town called Anselm. 0:01:06.641 --> 0:01:09.840 Police are able to pull CCTV records of the highways 0:01:09.881 --> 0:01:12.881 on the trip and spot a car that looks like Jawn's, 0:01:14.241 --> 0:01:18.041 but the images are grainy and it's impossible to see 0:01:18.280 --> 0:01:21.361 who's driving the car and if there are any passengers. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:30.361 There is one thing that's crystal clear. It's the car 0:01:30.401 --> 0:01:35.201 that's found outside the Lanslam Beach Hotel is Jawns and 0:01:35.241 --> 0:01:41.681 he's not in it. Joe Burr is the investigating officer 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.521 in charge of the case in wa. Joe was instrumental 0:01:45.521 --> 0:01:48.121 in writing the brief for the coroner, and he told 0:01:48.161 --> 0:01:51.121 me about the forensics that were done once Jawn's car 0:01:51.201 --> 0:01:52.361 had been found. 0:01:53.841 --> 0:01:57.641 Yeah, that's correct, so we the steering will and the 0:01:57.881 --> 0:02:06.281 headrest of the vehicle were actually forensically analyzed. Obbs were 0:02:06.321 --> 0:02:10.481 sent off for analysis and it did come back that 0:02:10.561 --> 0:02:13.881 mister Jensen's DNA was located on the steering wheel of 0:02:13.881 --> 0:02:20.601 the vehicle. It's not something that we do in every 0:02:20.881 --> 0:02:23.041 mis in person case. It comes down to those initial 0:02:23.081 --> 0:02:27.361 investigative critical decisions that are made at that point. I 0:02:27.401 --> 0:02:31.761 guess they're looking at every possible avenue that this investigation 0:02:31.841 --> 0:02:33.761 could go down. So I think it was a good 0:02:33.761 --> 0:02:37.281 decision to take those swabs because you know, it wasn't 0:02:37.281 --> 0:02:39.041 known at the time how they were going to come back, 0:02:39.601 --> 0:02:43.641 but and what other supporting evidence could be located further 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:45.881 down the line that could mean that that DNA swab 0:02:46.001 --> 0:02:50.000 was important. But we did get a mixed profile on 0:02:50.161 --> 0:02:55.401 the steering wheel, but that's not unusual in itself because Obviously, 0:02:55.441 --> 0:02:57.881 with most vehicles, you have a number of people driving 0:02:58.201 --> 0:03:00.961 the car and your hands are a good source on 0:03:01.001 --> 0:03:05.680 the steering wheel of leaving DNA in that location. There 0:03:05.841 --> 0:03:09.201 was DNA located on the steering wheel that we didn't get. 0:03:09.081 --> 0:03:09.601 A match on. 0:03:09.721 --> 0:03:12.641 But you know, black could come back to anyone. You 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:16.801 could be looking at mechanics, service centers, family members, neighbors, 0:03:16.841 --> 0:03:20.641 anybody that's been in that vehicle. So the location of 0:03:21.201 --> 0:03:24.601 mixed profile there isn't in itself something that we need 0:03:24.601 --> 0:03:25.881 to be suspicious about. 0:03:26.721 --> 0:03:30.241 So a mixed profile essentially means someone else's DNA in 0:03:30.281 --> 0:03:33.441 the car. Both the two daughters of Jehorn Jensen's DNA 0:03:33.641 --> 0:03:38.281 were also taken and they were excluded from the two 0:03:38.361 --> 0:03:40.041 other matches in the car. Is that right? 0:03:40.481 --> 0:03:44.401 So their DNA wasn't wasn't a match there. Quite often 0:03:44.441 --> 0:03:49.001 we take nets of kin DNA not only for that 0:03:49.121 --> 0:03:52.601 forensic purpose, but also for the possible future identification of 0:03:52.641 --> 0:03:58.441 any any located human remains. So we would usually take 0:03:58.641 --> 0:04:01.641 the nets of kin DNA, and that's an action that 0:04:01.681 --> 0:04:05.441 should be taken in most long term miss in persons. 0:04:05.561 --> 0:04:09.481 Up it was there was no match per se with 0:04:09.521 --> 0:04:11.561 the DNA that was located on that steering wheel with 0:04:11.561 --> 0:04:12.241 the daughters. 0:04:13.841 --> 0:04:16.801 Both daughters had said that they had driven the car before, 0:04:18.321 --> 0:04:22.320 but they also said that partners had also driven John's car, 0:04:22.801 --> 0:04:27.161 and mister Jensen's neighbors had also driven his car at 0:04:27.201 --> 0:04:30.401 some point. So it's feasible that they could be from 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:31.640 a myriad of different people. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.320 Anything that touches anything else, you know, you could even 0:04:35.761 --> 0:04:37.921 somebody's DNA could be on that steerweel that hasn't even 0:04:38.001 --> 0:04:40.200 driven the car. If someone was to shake hands with 0:04:40.281 --> 0:04:44.361 somebody and then step into their car. You know, the 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:49.921 DNA is a wonderful tool, but it's not always on 0:04:49.961 --> 0:04:52.481 its own something that can be used to solve a case. 0:04:53.481 --> 0:04:58.481 Bell told us that she employed a forensic scientists herself. 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:00.761 He was critical of the fact that the police didn't 0:05:00.801 --> 0:05:06.001 retain mister Jensen's car for more thorough forensic examination, which 0:05:06.001 --> 0:05:09.801 he said was should have been tested the vehicle driver 0:05:09.921 --> 0:05:12.521 side footwell and its boots. Did you have a view 0:05:12.561 --> 0:05:13.401 on that at the time. 0:05:14.921 --> 0:05:18.681 I actually think, compared to the vast array of other 0:05:18.721 --> 0:05:21.521 miss in person cases that I deal with, they actually 0:05:21.521 --> 0:05:25.521 went above and beyond what would usually be done at 0:05:25.521 --> 0:05:29.361 the initial scene of a missing person vehicle, because what 0:05:31.241 --> 0:05:34.161 the forensic officer was I guess looking at at that 0:05:34.281 --> 0:05:39.401 time is purely from a position of that there could 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:44.281 be some criminality involved in this. But the initial assessment 0:05:44.481 --> 0:05:48.001 of the investigation that continues to this day is that 0:05:48.121 --> 0:05:53.121 no evidence of any criminality has been located. So if 0:05:53.161 --> 0:05:55.641 you were looking at it as a crime scene, then yes, 0:05:55.921 --> 0:05:57.561 if you were looking at it it's solely a miss 0:05:57.561 --> 0:06:01.361 in person case, where you have no supporting evidence that 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:04.640 somebody else has driven that vehicle, then I wouldn't necessarily 0:06:04.721 --> 0:06:09.001 concur with that opinion because they have had the foresight 0:06:09.201 --> 0:06:11.961 to swab the steering wheels, to swab their head wreck. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.001 We can always look back on these things with hindsight, 0:06:16.081 --> 0:06:21.320 and obviously certain things have been raised that it would 0:06:21.401 --> 0:06:25.080 be it would be prudent now to look back and 0:06:25.361 --> 0:06:30.441 be able to swab the football, for example, But the 0:06:30.961 --> 0:06:33.601 critical decision at the time was that that was not necessary, 0:06:33.641 --> 0:06:37.161 and I haven't seen any corroborating evidence that says that 0:06:37.201 --> 0:06:39.481 would show anything different for what we currently have. 0:06:40.241 --> 0:06:43.361 Bell also confirmed to me that it is very likely 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.520 her DNA would have been in the car and in 0:06:46.561 --> 0:06:49.921 the house, and that a sister had stayed over a 0:06:50.001 --> 0:06:52.841 dad's many times to keep an eye on him. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:55.960 Look, there was a mattress. It was set up in 0:06:57.081 --> 0:06:58.880 opposite to where that foot spar. 0:06:59.121 --> 0:07:04.281 Was sort of set up, but it was, you know, 0:07:04.361 --> 0:07:06.921 a bit of a weird spot. But yes, my sister, 0:07:06.921 --> 0:07:09.001 I'll be honest, she did say that she would go 0:07:09.041 --> 0:07:11.801 over there and keep an eye on him and when 0:07:11.841 --> 0:07:14.201 he was going through rough times and stuff like that. 0:07:14.401 --> 0:07:18.641 So yeah, she said she was obviously sleeping there. But 0:07:19.601 --> 0:07:22.321 strange enough, the DNA sampen wasn't strong enough because both 0:07:22.361 --> 0:07:26.441 of us, due to my forensic investigator expert, you know, luckily, 0:07:26.481 --> 0:07:29.321 we pushed for them to take our DNA because I said, well, 0:07:29.361 --> 0:07:31.921 surely we should be doing that, especially if down the track, 0:07:31.961 --> 0:07:33.761 if we do find him, you know, you want to 0:07:33.761 --> 0:07:36.921 have that DNA on file, right, So we were trying 0:07:36.961 --> 0:07:39.321 to exclude everyone. So yeah, we both had our DNA, 0:07:39.441 --> 0:07:43.881 and but yeah, strange enough, they couldn't They couldn't include 0:07:44.041 --> 0:07:47.601 or exclude her as being the other DNA that was found. 0:07:47.401 --> 0:07:49.841 On that bad Police also state in the Kindness report 0:07:49.961 --> 0:07:53.041 there was no evidence of a cleanup in an attempt 0:07:53.041 --> 0:07:55.641 to conceal or deceive evidence. 0:07:56.681 --> 0:07:57.121 Correct. 0:07:58.361 --> 0:08:05.881 Look, there was comments from one particular officer at the 0:08:06.001 --> 0:08:08.681 time where he sort of had eluded that he did 0:08:09.081 --> 0:08:11.321 part of his initials, you know, said he didn't look 0:08:11.361 --> 0:08:12.401 like there was a. 0:08:12.361 --> 0:08:14.121 Cleanup or some sort of cleanup. 0:08:14.161 --> 0:08:15.881 But at that point I think he was thinking maybe 0:08:15.881 --> 0:08:17.841 he's tried to clean it up just to get to 0:08:17.881 --> 0:08:20.481 the hospital, I'm assuming, But no, it. 0:08:20.521 --> 0:08:21.481 Was very much. 0:08:24.281 --> 0:08:27.441 Yeah, I mean, the scene was unusual, and I guess 0:08:27.441 --> 0:08:29.321 they were sort of a soy. No, No, it didn't 0:08:29.361 --> 0:08:31.601 didn't look like a cleanup, but it was odd that 0:08:31.641 --> 0:08:34.841 there was no blood at all found from this one 0:08:34.881 --> 0:08:37.881 particular area. You know, if he's walked out of the house, 0:08:38.361 --> 0:08:40.281 there would have been blood either through the lounge on 0:08:40.281 --> 0:08:43.081 the carpet, or through the tiles, or in the football 0:08:43.161 --> 0:08:49.441 of the car, especially after driving an hour seventeen. You know, 0:08:49.561 --> 0:08:52.401 if he's adrenaline, if he's adrenaline's pumping, wouldn't wouldn't that 0:08:52.921 --> 0:08:54.801 be you know, you. 0:08:55.041 --> 0:08:57.441 Would think you would find blood elsewhere. 0:08:58.921 --> 0:08:59.881 There was no blood in the. 0:08:59.801 --> 0:09:02.721 Car, and there was no blood in the car, And 0:09:02.761 --> 0:09:05.521 he actually was on blood thinning medication at the so 0:09:05.641 --> 0:09:07.721 his ability to be able to stop the bleeding would 0:09:07.721 --> 0:09:10.921 have been very limited. So we would expect that to 0:09:10.921 --> 0:09:14.001 be blood in the car. 0:09:14.961 --> 0:09:18.161 It's important to state that we're not accusing anyone of 0:09:18.201 --> 0:09:22.001 any wrongdoing in this podcast. We're simply stating some points 0:09:22.041 --> 0:09:26.521 of view that don't necessarily agree with each other. Police 0:09:26.521 --> 0:09:29.481 are very clear that there doesn't seem to be any 0:09:29.521 --> 0:09:33.641 criminality involved in the case of the missing man John Jensen, 0:09:35.561 --> 0:09:38.441 Darren and Bell don't agree on this point. 0:09:39.201 --> 0:09:43.201 I think he was murdered. No, I, one hand, on 0:09:43.201 --> 0:09:45.041 my heart believe he was murdered. 0:09:45.441 --> 0:09:49.041 If something untoward did happen to Jasper, there would have 0:09:49.081 --> 0:09:52.561 had to been a motive, something that stood out and 0:09:52.681 --> 0:09:56.961 possibly could lead to police investigating a different path, or 0:09:57.001 --> 0:10:01.561 more sinister path. I asked Joe Burr about John's bank 0:10:01.641 --> 0:10:04.241 records and his financial situation. 0:10:05.361 --> 0:10:09.321 The issue when you're looking back at somebody's financial records 0:10:09.361 --> 0:10:14.001 is you never you're never prudent to the transactions or 0:10:14.041 --> 0:10:19.121 the conversations or the agreements that people have with family, 0:10:19.281 --> 0:10:22.681 with people they know, so it's always difficult to look 0:10:22.721 --> 0:10:27.081 back and think that certain things do look amiss. There 0:10:27.921 --> 0:10:33.601 there was transactions like normal transactions, like anybody's accounts, but 0:10:34.161 --> 0:10:39.161 there was there was obviously agreements in place with people 0:10:39.721 --> 0:10:42.281 and it's not up to me, you know, I can't 0:10:42.281 --> 0:10:47.281 talk about somebody else's financial situation. But there wasn't anything 0:10:47.481 --> 0:10:52.241 necessarily that meant to us that there was any link 0:10:52.321 --> 0:10:56.201 to his finances to the disappearance of mister Jensen. 0:10:56.841 --> 0:10:58.721 What we can see from the kind of support that 0:10:58.801 --> 0:11:00.961 he's had a few bank accounts. One was with IG 0:11:01.161 --> 0:11:04.321 and was dormant since twenty fourteen. Then he had an 0:11:04.361 --> 0:11:07.441 every day account with NAB and the last time that 0:11:07.601 --> 0:11:11.721 was touched before his disappearance was the nineteenth of June, 0:11:11.721 --> 0:11:14.681 which was six days before his disappearance, and the son 0:11:14.761 --> 0:11:20.921 was three hundred dollars. Bell had mentioned in our chat 0:11:21.321 --> 0:11:24.641 that a dad was very a creature of habit. He 0:11:24.681 --> 0:11:27.561 would have the same dinner every night, he would do 0:11:27.601 --> 0:11:29.601 the same things very often. He would sit in the 0:11:29.601 --> 0:11:32.601 front room watch tally, and he would often visit the 0:11:32.601 --> 0:11:36.241 bank on the same day. And from her perspective, she 0:11:36.361 --> 0:11:40.201 said that his visits to the bank over the last 0:11:40.241 --> 0:11:42.881 sort of three to four months became a little more 0:11:42.921 --> 0:11:46.401 sporadic and random, if you like, with different amounts. Did 0:11:46.401 --> 0:11:51.041 police investigate anything prior to his disappearance and the transactions 0:11:51.041 --> 0:11:53.201 across his bank accounts. 0:11:52.961 --> 0:11:58.321 Yeah, we did look at it. We usually next to 0:11:58.401 --> 0:12:02.041 see what the run is. If a missing personal investigation 0:12:02.121 --> 0:12:05.241 goes long term, we will try and create some kind 0:12:05.241 --> 0:12:08.761 of victimology, some kind of gauge of that person's life 0:12:08.841 --> 0:12:13.841 and their usual activities. I can't disagree with Belle obviously. 0:12:14.041 --> 0:12:16.761 You know I was never fortunate enough to meet missus Jason, 0:12:16.761 --> 0:12:20.481 and I'm sure she knows that that's very well, so 0:12:20.521 --> 0:12:24.481 I wouldn't disagree with her assessment of that. But it's 0:12:24.721 --> 0:12:30.041 impossible from an investigator's point of view to actually determined 0:12:30.081 --> 0:12:34.241 that any change of activity is due to anything untoward. 0:12:34.641 --> 0:12:39.841 You know, we certain people are people have habit, like 0:12:39.881 --> 0:12:44.921 you say, but our lives change, and certain conversations happen, 0:12:45.041 --> 0:12:47.481 and certain routes you go down different routes to what 0:12:47.521 --> 0:12:50.841 you might have done before. So you know, there's no 0:12:50.921 --> 0:12:53.881 evidence there. There's no evidence that I've seen that suggests 0:12:53.881 --> 0:12:57.841 that any kind of visit to ATM anything untoward has 0:12:57.881 --> 0:13:00.481 happened that has then led to his disappearance. 0:13:02.481 --> 0:13:06.361 Now, Bell, I guess doesn't share the same view. She 0:13:06.441 --> 0:13:10.361 has a more sinister view of what has occurred, and 0:13:10.401 --> 0:13:14.441 I know she shared that with you numerous times. Is 0:13:14.481 --> 0:13:19.001 there any evidence from a police perspective and from the 0:13:19.081 --> 0:13:22.801 corner's report that is in line with Bells thinking that 0:13:23.641 --> 0:13:25.601 something more sinister happened to her father. 0:13:28.921 --> 0:13:31.721 Well, my heart goes out to Bell and Darren and 0:13:31.761 --> 0:13:36.361 the rest of the family. Going through this kind of 0:13:36.561 --> 0:13:41.281 situation is everybody's worst nightmare, there's no and it's hard 0:13:41.401 --> 0:13:44.361 as an investigator of miss person cases because you can't 0:13:44.441 --> 0:13:49.201 give people the resolution that they need. And until you 0:13:49.201 --> 0:13:52.121 can give them a resolution, until you reached that conclusion, 0:13:52.841 --> 0:13:59.201 anything that happens is not necessarily one hundred percent accurate. 0:13:59.241 --> 0:14:02.361 And the issue you have as a family member is 0:14:02.401 --> 0:14:06.441 you never actually know. So I will I always applaud 0:14:07.481 --> 0:14:12.601 Belinda and Darren for keeping up the intensity of the 0:14:12.641 --> 0:14:15.801 investigation and for you know, looking out for their father 0:14:15.961 --> 0:14:20.241 and wanting to find the truth. But in reality, I 0:14:20.281 --> 0:14:23.841 think when I look at all of the information, all 0:14:23.841 --> 0:14:28.921 of the evidence that I concur with the currenter that well, 0:14:28.921 --> 0:14:31.881 the current is given an open verdict, but that is 0:14:31.881 --> 0:14:34.481 to be expected because we don't actually know. We don't 0:14:34.521 --> 0:14:37.721 have cast iron evidence of what happened on that day, 0:14:38.161 --> 0:14:41.961 but we also don't have any evidence, in my opinion, 0:14:42.161 --> 0:14:46.481 to suggest that any any criminal activity has taken place 0:14:46.521 --> 0:14:50.761 and any criminal activity has led to missus Jensen's disappearance. 0:14:53.121 --> 0:14:56.281 When you're looking at a missing personal investigation, you look 0:14:56.281 --> 0:15:00.281 at the criminality aspects, you look at the misadventure aspect, 0:15:00.321 --> 0:15:05.041 and you look at the possible self harm aspects. And I, personally, 0:15:05.441 --> 0:15:07.121 based on now I've been dinning with this case for 0:15:07.121 --> 0:15:09.841 a long time, I can't say that self harmer's taking place. 0:15:09.881 --> 0:15:11.881 I don't know that self palmer's taking place, and I 0:15:11.881 --> 0:15:15.881 would hate to offend the family in any way by 0:15:15.961 --> 0:15:19.841 indicating that somebody that we don't know as investigators have 0:15:19.961 --> 0:15:23.681 the intense self harm. We don't know that happens. People 0:15:23.681 --> 0:15:26.361 get disorientated, that could have happened. We don't know that 0:15:26.361 --> 0:15:31.761 that happened. But obviously the element you know, we we're 0:15:31.881 --> 0:15:35.041 missing Persentine. We're part of the homicide squad because I 0:15:35.161 --> 0:15:39.041 have to be in a location where if we determine 0:15:39.121 --> 0:15:44.161 any criminality, we work with homicide squad detectives to reach 0:15:44.561 --> 0:15:49.521 the resolution and to find somebody responsible for the criminality. 0:15:49.601 --> 0:15:53.081 And the reality is as hard as we have looked 0:15:53.081 --> 0:15:57.761 and we have investigated this, there's no evidence I believe 0:15:57.961 --> 0:16:00.801 that there has been any of that criminal activity has 0:16:00.841 --> 0:16:03.121 taken part in this disappearance. 0:16:12.081 --> 0:16:15.481 As I've mentioned throughout this podcast, Belle and her big 0:16:15.521 --> 0:16:19.441 sister don't talk anymore. In fact, I don't think it's 0:16:19.521 --> 0:16:24.121 overstating the point to say they dislike each other. It's 0:16:24.161 --> 0:16:27.401 sad because as I look back through photos of these 0:16:27.401 --> 0:16:30.681 two little blonde girls playing with their big mountain of 0:16:30.721 --> 0:16:34.081 a dad sitting on his shoulders at a family holiday 0:16:34.561 --> 0:16:37.921 in nineteen eighty seven in Melbourne, it's not hard to 0:16:37.961 --> 0:16:42.801 imagine how close they once were. We've refrained from mentioning 0:16:42.961 --> 0:16:46.001 her name in this podcast, which will continue to honor 0:16:46.641 --> 0:16:52.961 as Belle mentioned, this is her story. We do have 0:16:53.001 --> 0:16:56.841 a copy of Belle's sister's police statement that was made 0:16:56.841 --> 0:17:01.721 on the thirtieth of June twenty seventeen. It states lots 0:17:01.721 --> 0:17:05.521 of facts, the fact that her dad owned his house 0:17:06.161 --> 0:17:10.041 on Rainbow View in Ocean Reef outright, that he was 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.080 financially supported by his super that her relationship with her 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:17.561 dad was close and they would see him almost every 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:22.281 second day and they would speak every day. John's eldest 0:17:22.360 --> 0:17:25.120 daughter also mentioned that she would stay at a dad's 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:27.840 house when he was feeling low, and that she would 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.600 sleep in a bed made up in the lamb's room. 0:17:31.041 --> 0:17:34.720 Sometimes at those sleepovers she would take his keys and 0:17:34.761 --> 0:17:38.720 his medication and put them next to her overnight. She 0:17:38.921 --> 0:17:44.041 says as a precaution in her words to police, I. 0:17:44.120 --> 0:17:46.961 Don't believe he would have ever done anything to hurt himself. 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:48.401 He just needed my company. 0:17:49.001 --> 0:17:51.400 In point thirteen of her statement, which was made in 0:17:51.521 --> 0:17:55.481 Lancelain while the searches took place, she mentions that she'd 0:17:55.481 --> 0:17:58.920 taken a dad to her family doctor and he was 0:17:58.961 --> 0:18:01.920 reducing the dose of neuronton, the drug that might have 0:18:01.961 --> 0:18:05.761 added to his depression. We've used an actress to read 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:06.841 parts of her statement. 0:18:07.321 --> 0:18:09.960 He stopped taking it all together at least three weeks ago. 0:18:10.441 --> 0:18:13.160 Since Dad stopped taking that medication, he had not spoken 0:18:13.201 --> 0:18:14.160 again of suicide. 0:18:15.001 --> 0:18:18.120 This was not the only statement that Belle's sister made. 0:18:18.281 --> 0:18:22.400 On the fourteenth of December twenty seventeen, she made another 0:18:22.441 --> 0:18:25.961 statement to police. It covers some of the same detail, 0:18:26.481 --> 0:18:30.041 However it's much longer and it was made to a 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:34.561 detective in Perth. She talked of her dad's immense pain 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:35.961 in that statement. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.201 I remember when Dad's feet got so painful. At times, 0:18:39.241 --> 0:18:42.001 he would bash his broken wrist to try and take 0:18:42.001 --> 0:18:44.440 away the pain. He told me he would hit it 0:18:44.441 --> 0:18:46.641 because he wanted to take the pain away from his feet. 0:18:47.360 --> 0:18:50.080 Dad became very emotional in the last year and would 0:18:50.120 --> 0:18:52.600 talk about Mam a lot. He would cry at different 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.360 times and would tell me he missed her. He would 0:18:55.360 --> 0:18:57.920 also just cry about his situation and that he couldn't 0:18:57.921 --> 0:18:59.201 do anything because of his feet. 0:18:59.921 --> 0:19:03.240 She also mentions to police that at the time of 0:19:03.281 --> 0:19:07.400 his disappearance he was on around fifteen different types of medication, 0:19:08.481 --> 0:19:11.401 and she details some of his suicidal thoughts. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.761 In the last at least twelve months. Once a week 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.120 Dad would mention what I believe were suicidal thoughts. He 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.361 would say things like why am I here, I've got 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:23.001 no life? What's the point? That would be on his 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:25.600 low days, but I could perkin cheer him back up. 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.200 He would also say things in a joking manner to me. 0:19:28.281 --> 0:19:31.561 On numerous occasions, he would say, Geez, the pain was 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.600 so bad last night that Camery looked good. I could 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:37.960 have got the hose out. He would also text me 0:19:38.041 --> 0:19:40.480 and write me messages in private message at night on 0:19:40.521 --> 0:19:43.361 that game Words with friends. He would write things at 0:19:43.400 --> 0:19:47.001 sometimes four in the morning, like I can't take this anymore. 0:19:47.120 --> 0:19:54.720 I can't take the pain. The pills aren't working, and 0:19:54.761 --> 0:19:59.961 my feet are on fire. He would also sometimes call 0:20:00.001 --> 0:20:02.521 me on my mobile and would be crying, not being 0:20:02.521 --> 0:20:05.641 able to talk. I would go straight up and stay 0:20:05.681 --> 0:20:07.401 with him on those nights and try and make him 0:20:07.400 --> 0:20:10.681 feel better. When I would stay with him, I would 0:20:10.761 --> 0:20:13.721 hide the keys to his car and medication in bed 0:20:13.761 --> 0:20:17.200 with me so that he didn't do anything silly. Up 0:20:17.241 --> 0:20:19.600 until Dad went missing, I was at his home almost 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.521 every night, wast every night, every night, every night. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.961 Jawn's finances have been a matter of discussion for the sisters. 0:20:28.481 --> 0:20:32.441 Nothing suspicious has been noted by police. In her statement, 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.720 Belle's sister says that on the day she went to 0:20:35.761 --> 0:20:39.600 her dad's house after he was reported missing, she walked 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:41.920 through the house. I was in complete shock. 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.881 There was blood in Dad's footbath and blood all over 0:20:45.921 --> 0:20:48.281 the floor on the tiles. I was in complete shock. 0:20:48.761 --> 0:20:50.921 I was made aware that the police had been contacted 0:20:50.921 --> 0:20:54.120 the previous night. At some stage, I noticed that Dad's 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:56.840 medicines were all accounted for because they were on the bench. 0:20:57.321 --> 0:20:59.680 I went into his bedroom and noticed his wallet and 0:20:59.721 --> 0:21:02.481 hearing aids were on a set of drawers. His iPad 0:21:02.561 --> 0:21:06.721 was there in the lounge room near his seat. Dad 0:21:06.721 --> 0:21:09.720 had a Christmas cardboard box underneath a side table in 0:21:09.761 --> 0:21:13.801 the front laund room which contained Dad's cash money. Inside 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:17.041 the box was four thousand dollars in cash fifty dollar notes, 0:21:17.120 --> 0:21:20.481 which I grabbed whilst Belinda and were present. I took 0:21:20.521 --> 0:21:24.160 the cash money home and paid bills with that money. 0:21:25.441 --> 0:21:27.321 I have all the receipts for the money I spent 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:30.961 on bills. 0:21:33.360 --> 0:21:37.441 Belle's recollections of a dad's bank accounts, of his financial position, 0:21:38.120 --> 0:21:40.721 and her knowledge of her father and how he used 0:21:40.761 --> 0:21:46.200 money is important. As the police explained, it's impossible to 0:21:46.281 --> 0:21:49.600 know how a families spend their money before something like 0:21:49.640 --> 0:21:55.680 this happens. Financial affairs are normally very private. Bell is 0:21:55.721 --> 0:22:00.121 careful about accusing anyone of anything criminal. When I asked 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:05.521 her about her dad's bank accounts, that's. 0:22:05.360 --> 0:22:07.801 A tricker one. That's a tricker one. I gotta be 0:22:07.921 --> 0:22:11.200 careful what I will say. And I think it's important 0:22:11.241 --> 0:22:13.001 to say this and I have it right because this 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:14.960 is my dad. This is my story. 0:22:15.001 --> 0:22:19.840 This is what happened the friday before my dad went missing. 0:22:20.360 --> 0:22:21.841 I popped in on my way home. 0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:22.641 From work. 0:22:23.201 --> 0:22:29.240 He was holding an AHM slip in his hand and 0:22:29.321 --> 0:22:34.001 he said, Bendy, this person is a stole of my money, 0:22:35.201 --> 0:22:38.440 and this particular ATMs. I didn't see how much was 0:22:38.441 --> 0:22:40.001 in his bank account at the time, and I didn't 0:22:40.041 --> 0:22:41.520 realize it's a verity of it. I knew we had 0:22:41.721 --> 0:22:46.561 some financial issues sort of leading up to that period, 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:49.360 and I didn't realize this verity of the problem at 0:22:49.360 --> 0:22:52.240 that time, but I also thought I'd have time to 0:22:52.360 --> 0:22:57.761 sort it out, so so yeah, some at the time, 0:22:57.921 --> 0:22:59.640 he only had sort of I think it was twelve 0:22:59.761 --> 0:23:02.241 hundred and forty six dollars left in his bank account, 0:23:02.921 --> 0:23:05.200 and I would have thought he would have had thousands, 0:23:05.241 --> 0:23:07.440 like hundreds of thousands, like he used to have a 0:23:07.441 --> 0:23:08.080 savings account. 0:23:08.120 --> 0:23:09.241 We should have had hundreds. 0:23:08.961 --> 0:23:11.080 Of thousands in it, and for him I didn't have 0:23:11.160 --> 0:23:13.041 just over one thousand dollars. Did not make sense. 0:23:13.201 --> 0:23:16.321 Both of his bank accounts were bled of them. 0:23:16.761 --> 0:23:17.281 It was nothing. 0:23:17.360 --> 0:23:19.920 But again I was told because nothing came, nothing was 0:23:19.961 --> 0:23:22.120 taken out after the fact, that that doesn't matter. 0:23:23.041 --> 0:23:27.080 When you say bled dry transferred to someone, given to someone. 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.481 Well, he had sorry, he had a savings account through 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:34.680 Y and G which had over. I once said, had 0:23:34.681 --> 0:23:36.400 one hundred thousand dollars, but that's what he used to 0:23:36.441 --> 0:23:39.521 pay for his holidays or whatever out of But there 0:23:39.561 --> 0:23:43.200 was a seventy seventy four thousand dollars transfer for a 0:23:43.241 --> 0:23:46.161 holiday apparently that he never went on. So we can't 0:23:46.201 --> 0:23:53.041 explain that. It just says seventy four thousand dollars transfer holiday, 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.321 dash resleep. But Bell booked all these holidays and that 0:23:56.441 --> 0:23:59.120 he didn't go on holidays, not a holiday for seventy 0:23:59.120 --> 0:24:00.041 four thousand dollars. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:01.441 Where was that transfer made too? 0:24:02.201 --> 0:24:04.801 It was made to another one of his accounts, and 0:24:04.840 --> 0:24:07.240 then from that account a check was written out in 0:24:07.321 --> 0:24:08.080 someone's name. 0:24:09.481 --> 0:24:11.600