WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 10 October 0:00:01.400 --> 0:00:04.559 Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.320 This is to Nika de Georgio. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:11.120 Hello and welcome to the show. Coming up tonight. Israel's 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:15.480 government approves Donald Trump's peace plan. Finally, the President says, 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.439 the surviving twenty Israeli hostages will be released back into 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.279 the arms of loved ones on Monday or Tuesday. Anthony 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:26.040 Abnezi and Penny One caught out on the wrong side 0:00:26.040 --> 0:00:30.840 of history. Thankfully, Israel ignored their repeated calls for restraint 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:35.120 and de escalation. Plus, I asked the sex discrimination Commissioner 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:37.760 to come on the show tonight and explain why she 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.120 does not know the difference between a man and a 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:43.720 woman gets She declined. I'll catch up with Liberal Senator 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.640 Claire Chandler shortly for first tonight. It's really happening. After 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.720 two years, the surviving twenty Israeli hostages are expected to 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.560 be released back into the arms of loved ones in 0:00:55.760 --> 0:00:59.960 days thanks to the historic Gaza piece Steel by Donald Trump. 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.840 The front page of Today's Jerusalem Post sums up the mood. 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:08.800 He's bringing them home is the headline day in day out. 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:12.680 Since October seven, twenty twenty three, we have seen horrific 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:15.559 vision coming out of the Middle East as this war 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:20.840 started by Hamas raged on. But now finally there is hope. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.480 The Israeli government has in the last few hours approved 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:28.680 Donald Trump's peace plan. It means it's now highly likely 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:33.160 that it's all systems go. A cease fire has commenced, 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:37.000 the IDF will withdraw from Gaza, and if all goes 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:41.000 to plan, all surviving twenty hostages will be released within 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:44.960 a seventy two hour window. As Donald Trump prepares to 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.800 travel to Egypt for the official signing. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.600 It's going to be great, and I think it's the 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.560 hostages will be coming back Monday or Tuesday. I'll probably 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:58.160 We'll probably be there. I hope to be there. This 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:00.240 is a great plan, this is a great peace land. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.800 There's a plan that was supported by everybody. I mean, 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.640 as I said, they're dancing in the streets of many, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:08.480 many countries right now. It's amazing. 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:09.880 I've never seen anything like it. 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.200 And look, the significance of that moment when the hostages 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.520 are handed over cannot be understated. Now we have to 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:20.680 be cautious, and it's right to be cautious about what 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.360 happens after they are released. But right now there is 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:28.079 no doubt this plan is the best hope Israel has 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:31.440 got to claim back its sovereignty and bring peace to 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.480 the region in the end. Who else has a plan 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:36.800 on the table for Gaza, which has been run by 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:40.000 Hamas for years with the intent of killing Jews and 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.440 occupying its own state. And this is a plan to 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:47.000 rebuild Gaza and rid harmas of its influence. 0:02:48.360 --> 0:02:51.880 We're going to create something where people can live. You 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:54.760 can to live right now and Gaza, you know the place. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.720 It's a horrible situation. Nobody's ever seen anything like it. 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.040 So yeah, we're going to create better conditions. 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:02.079 For peoplehen you. 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:04.919 So if Donald Trump can pull this off next week, 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:07.720 the world will be a better place for it. And 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:10.520 I've said this before and I'll say it again. If 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:14.639 he does it, give Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:18.040 But look, all this does is show up Anthony Albanesi 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:21.960 and Pennywong for the foreign policy embarrassment they are. For 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.560 two years, they've been on the wrong side of history, 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:29.880 and for two years they've been all about momentum, momentum 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:34.080 for peace in the Middle East, momentum for change, no action, 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:38.680 just momentum. Their whole Middle East and foreign policy has 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:42.200 been dictated by a form of energetic measurement. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.560 We want to be part of the global momentum for. 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:49.680 Peace, build on the momentum for peace. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:53.200 Palestinian statehood as a way of building momentum. 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:56.840 A practical contribution towards building momentum. 0:03:56.920 --> 0:04:00.760 Australia is making our contribution to that progress and to 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:01.720 that momentum. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:08.680 Not once has that momentum turned into actual results towards peace. Now, 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.320 after having previously claimed credit for Trump's peace, still saying 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:16.320 his recognition of Palestine provided the positive momentum for Trump 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.000 to put one on the table, the Prime Minister today 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:20.839 had some sort of a reality check. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:27.680 I very much welcome this breakthrough President Trump, desas congratulations 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.840 for the leadership that the United States has shown with. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:33.479 Gee what that must have taken for the PM to 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.240 actually give someone credit where it's due and not pat 0:04:36.320 --> 0:04:38.919 himself on the back and claim all the glory. He 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:40.280 went on to say this. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:43.839 We have called for some time for a cease fire, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.960 for the release of hostages, for aid to be granted. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:53.200 That needs to happen, and we also need to. 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:58.039 Talk about the day after, which requires a two state solution. 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:01.280 In Australia's work constructively with people. 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:04.600 Now, I have wondered over two years if the PM 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.239 or Pennywong even though that Hamas is a death cult 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:12.040 terror group, because it's all just been about a ceasefire 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.000 and then the release of the hostages. Now, had Israel 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.880 actually listened to Albo ceasefire calls, Israel would have been 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:23.760 wiped out and Hermus would have achieved its goal. It 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.239 would have seen Hermas still in charge of the Gaza 0:05:26.279 --> 0:05:29.159 strip and still with a mandate that it's in its 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:34.119 charter to destroy Israel. Yep. Pennywong was today also talking 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:38.480 about what's that key word momentum? 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.320 How do we build momentum? Coalition has been out of 0:05:42.400 --> 0:05:46.400 step with the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia and the many 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:50.120 countries which sought to recognize to provide help provide that momentum. 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:54.680 What we've seen from the coalition is a negativity, a 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:59.400 desire to have a political division when really we should 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.080 have speaking with one voice. 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:05.440 Well, momentum is not an argument for peace. This deal 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.719 has not been agreed to because Anthony Albanezi, Penny Wong 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:12.320 and the rest of their lefty friends displayed momentum in 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:16.120 rewarding terror on the world stage, in recognizing a Palestinian state. 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:20.240 All that momentum and restraint has done is reward her 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.880 MUSS and tell the terror group to keep doing what 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:26.840 it's doing. While Australia, the UK, France and Canada were 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.839 betraying Jews and on the world stage not putting forward 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:34.320 any plan for peace, Donald Trump was actually working on 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:38.400 a plan to make a tangible difference. The only pathway 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.920 to peace has been because of Israel's sustained military operation, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:46.240 which has slowly dismantled her MUSS and its operations, something 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.080 Anthony Albenezi and Penny Wong have repeatedly warned against. 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:55.000 Wanting to prioritize dialogue and diplomacy. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.000 We wish to see de escalation. 0:06:57.200 --> 0:07:00.400 With plomacy, dialogue and de escalation. 0:07:00.560 --> 0:07:04.240 Israel's friends urge Israel to exercise restraint. 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:08.000 We continue to call for a cease fire along with 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:09.559 the rest of the world. 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:11.360 Show restrained and de escalated. 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:16.240 But never mind, there's momentum, right and where has Labour's 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:20.840 momentum got us? Here? In Australia with a fractioned social 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.920 fabric which has been decayed day by day, not that 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:25.840 Pennywong seems to notice. 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.560 The social cohesion has been an issue that you've been 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:32.400 aware of and saying, don't bring the conflict here. If 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:35.080 this piece deal has done, this ceasefire achieved, should people 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:38.880 just ease up on that sort of weekly protest now? 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:44.320 Well, I think certainly political leaders should ease up, and 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.800 I think we've seen both the Coalition and the Greens 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:53.040 really try to bring the conflict here. Politically, social cohesion matters, 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.000 and what that means is we live in peace. We 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:57.640 respect each other's rights to have different views, and we 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:02.360 do disagree with respectfully, we don't do we don't engage 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.600 in violence, we don't engage in hatred, and we don't 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.480 engage in abuse. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.400 Really, political leaders should ease up. Well, I'll show you 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:15.040 what leaders easing up has led to anti Israel protests, 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.600 wreaking havoc week and week out. The Australian and Israeli 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.760 flags set alight on the steps of the Sydney Opera 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.520 House and replaced by flags of terror groups. A portrait 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.600 of the Ayatola of Iran carried across the Harbor Bridge 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:32.760 Synagogue's firebomb. Anti Semitic slogans were feeded on houses and businesses, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:37.080 Jews intimidated day in day out. Sorry, I mean unless 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.120 I've missed something. I think that sums up what leaders 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.960 easing up has looked like. I don't know what this is. 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:47.520 Maybe what Pennywong means when she says that we should 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:52.000 try and respect each other's views. I'm smiling and unhappy. 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:54.720 I'm inagan. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:02.840 It's a day of courage. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.560 And don't forget the majority of our MPs, including Alban 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:11.080 Easy and Penny Wong, have not even bothered to watch 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:14.640 the full October seven footage of the carnage carried out 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:18.160 by Humas. Now we finally have an end game on 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:22.040 the table, one that sees Hamas gone, Israel able to 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.280 live in peace and not on edge urgently preparing for 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.120 a response to another attack on its civilians. Thank goodness 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:37.880 for Donald Trump, not for momentum. Let's get more now 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.200 on that Gaza pie Steel. Joining me is Joel Bernie 0:09:41.240 --> 0:09:44.880 from the Australia Israel and Jewish Affairs Council. Joel, good 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:46.880 to see you as always. Thank you for joining me. 0:09:47.040 --> 0:09:49.600 How do you feel? It does? Certainly seems as though 0:09:49.640 --> 0:09:52.880 it's all systems go? But what could still go wrong. 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.600 Thank you, Tanika as always for having me well. One 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.160 thing that I am is I'm excited by the prospect 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:07.040 that after two years in captivity, hopefully twenty living hostages 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:10.880 along with twenty eight deceased bodies, will be coming to 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.760 Israel shortly, potentially as soon as Monday. So in your 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:19.240 opening monologue you stress that the Israeli Cabinet and government 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:24.800 has approved the first phase of the hostage release deal, 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.360 which will see the hostages being released, hopefully within seventy 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.920 two hours, as I said on Monday, but it also 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:37.920 includes the release of close to two thousand Palestinian prisoners 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.880 back into Gaza and other areas, with at least two 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:47.800 hundred and fifty serving life sentences. So the cost to 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.240 Israel within this transaction to get their loved ones back 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.920 is going to be immense. It's going to be very, 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:57.840 very difficult for the Israeli public to have to take 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.520 in because of the fact that a number of murderers 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:04.000 are going to be released shortly. But overall there's a 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.760 huge sense of elation and optimism and hope that in 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.640 the next seventy two hours you'll start seeing some of 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:12.160 those hostages being released. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:15.440 Well, look, look, absolutely, I think there is genuinely a 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:17.920 sense of optimism for the first time in two years. 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.760 I guess the issue, Joel, is that for hostage families 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.400 it's almost bittersweet because they don't know if their loved 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:26.040 ones are coming back dead or alive. 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:31.559 Well, that's right, and also the condition of the living 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.720 hostages is not well known either, and we do know 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:37.160 that they've been starved over the past two years. They've 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:42.280 been completely lacking any type of natural light. They've been 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:47.319 hiding underground in tunnels, chained, you know, completely locked off 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.320 from any type of services such as the Red Crescent 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.320 or the Red Cross. So I have no doubt that 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:55.800 over the next couple of days come as we'll be 0:11:55.800 --> 0:12:01.000 feeding the hostages to give them some unfortunate, well needed 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:04.320 meat on their bones before they're released. But you're right, 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:07.760 the torture of the families hasn't ceased yet and won't 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:12.559 cease until their loved ones are back. But the overall 0:12:12.600 --> 0:12:16.120 elation of the nation who needs to be whole again 0:12:16.240 --> 0:12:19.120 by bringing back every single soul that was taken on 0:12:19.160 --> 0:12:22.480 that fateful day nearly two years ago. But we need 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.960 to then transition our focus from happiness and elation to 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.760 the practical issues that we still have within the implementation 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.120 and full of the Trump Piece plan, which includes the 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.960 other phases of the deal, notably the demilitarization of Commas 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.520 and the installation of a new technocratic government which does 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.320 not include commands. So these are very very big issues 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.920 yet to be ironed out and yet to be agreed upon. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:50.520 So Israel will have to transition quickly from very very 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:54.600 huge elation and happiness to keenly focused on what the 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:56.640 day after in Gaza is actually going to look like. 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.679 Well, that's what I want to ask you, because obviously 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.960 this is phase one. You know, you just mentioned what 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.559 the other phases do look like. This is not something 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.800 that is going to happen overnight. How long will it 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:11.240 take to actually implement this plan in full? Do you think? 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:15.200 Well, I really I don't know the answer to that. 0:13:15.280 --> 0:13:17.280 But what I do know is is that the president 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.240 has been set that if you want to set a 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:21.800 timetable to do things, if you want Kamas to do 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:25.199 things that they don't want to do, it requires United 0:13:25.280 --> 0:13:29.480 isolation and pressure from the international community to back it 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.679 into a corner. Treat it like the terrorist death cult 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.200 that it is and force it with the leverage that 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:37.600 you have to do what needs to be done. That 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:41.520 is the only reason now, after two very very long years, 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.840 that we've got to this juncture because finally the world, 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.360 led by President Trump and the Arab countries along with Turkey, 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.760 decided that Hamas was going to be its focus to 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.920 isolate it and to force it to release the hostages 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.199 and hopefully relinquish control to provide the population in Gaza 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:03.240 with a bright fuwuture. So realistically, Danika, it's not just 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.480 on TAMAS as to what it chooses to do in 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.840 phase two and Phase three, but it's up to the 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:13.640 international community, including Australia, to continue the focus on isolating Commas. Now, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.480 Australia has said CAAMAS can have no role in the 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.160 future governance of Gaza. So what happens in six months 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:23.720 time if they maybe decide to demilitarize, which I think 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.000 is a long shot as well, but if they do 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:27.840 but then want to have some type of role in 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:32.080 the future government government is our government. France, the UK, 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:35.000 Canada going to roll over like they did with their 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:40.320 preconditions for unilateral statehood. They rolled on those conditions. They 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.920 did not maintain those conditions before recognition. They went about 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:47.560 recognizing before those conditions were met. My concern is is 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:51.320 that that perceived weakness of the West, including countries in Australia, 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:54.000 will continue and not hold up their end of the 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.480 bargain to ensure that TAMAS has no role in the 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.040 future governments of Gaza. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:14:58.320 Yeah. 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:00.160 Look, I mean you raise a really good point. I 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:02.400 guess there are so many unknowns that it does rely 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:06.440 on countries around the world coming together on this. But look, 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:09.160 no doubt Monday and Tuesday, when those hostages are released 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:12.640 that it's just going to be a real, incredible, incredible moment, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.080 and we just hope that everything goes to plan. Job Bernie, 0:15:15.080 --> 0:15:16.800 good to see you as always. Thank you very much 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:19.480 for joining me on the show. Appreciate it well. Joining 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:23.600 me now is Shadow Cabinet Secretary Andrew Wallace. Andrew, thanks 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.280 for your time. I want to start with this peace plan. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.400 This is a bit of what Penny Wong had to 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:29.840 say today. Have a listen. 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.200 You know, the coalition really has been out of step 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:38.000 with the international community for such a long time. Remember 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:41.359 the coalition opposed to cease Father President Trump himself supported 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.960 Remember the Coalition has not understood the way in which 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:51.080 the international community, that different countries of the world have 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:54.800 come together over a year to try and work how 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.320 it is that we create the conditions for the pathway 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:58.720 to peace. 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:02.120 What do you make of her assertion that the Coalition 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.720 is the one that's out of step with the international 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:06.280 community on this issue. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.000 Well, the first thing I'd say, Janiga is that, of 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:14.480 course the international community has been divided on this. But 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:20.200 to hear Penny Wong trying to side up with Donald 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:23.600 Trump and the US administration talk about trying to jump 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:29.440 on the bandwagon, I mean, it's just unbelievable. The Albanesi 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:34.960 government has constantly criticized, in a polite sort of way, 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:40.120 the US administration's response to dealing with this peace plan, 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:43.200 but it really gets up my skin because what it 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:47.560 does do Penny Wong's comments really seem to just disregard 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:52.320 the US's efforts in all of this, and allies in 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:54.880 the Pacific as well that have supported Israel through all 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:59.480 of this. Countries like Australia, like France, like the UK 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:04.440 have walked away from the only democracy in the Middle East, 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:07.680 And now to see Penny Wong trying to crab Walk. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.600 I saw the Prime Minister during the week trying to 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.840 make some lily livid argument that it was as a 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:18.720 result of him and his unilateral recognition of Palestine that 0:17:19.560 --> 0:17:22.640 this deal was done. I mean, come on, Danika, please 0:17:23.080 --> 0:17:24.080 get me a bucket. 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.480 Oh honestly, it's actually embarrassing. Do they want the Nobel 0:17:28.520 --> 0:17:31.240 Peace Prize? I don't know. I just think it's it's 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:35.159 actually embarrassing. Yeah, no, it really really is. Andrew, I 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:37.960 want to ask you about let's talk about the ices brides. Look, 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:42.119 all we've seen all week is ducking and weaving from labor. 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:44.920 It's been quite breathtaking to watch, but none more than 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.560 Tony Burke, who's now admitted to actually providing the first 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:51.840 lot of returning brides and their children with passports and 0:17:51.960 --> 0:17:54.960 DNA tests despite denials for days. Have a listen. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.640 Under the laws governing passports, if someone is. 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:01.480 Eligible for a passport and. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.960 Applies to one of our embassies, there is an obligation 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:09.560 for them to be provided with it. These individuals, these 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:16.000 individuals received what they were entitled to by law, no more. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:20.240 And no less, Andrew, Australians deserve to feel safe. But 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.960 how can we when isis brides are being let in 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.760 and the minister in charge seems to be backflipping daily 0:18:25.800 --> 0:18:27.639 on what he knew and what he didn't. 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:33.480 I got thrown out of question time yesterday, Tanika, because 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:38.080 I pointed out to the Prime Minister that in the 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.439 last sitting week here we had the Prime Minister repeatedly 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:45.920 saying no assistant assistance has been provided, and yet yesterday 0:18:46.000 --> 0:18:48.800 Tony Burke came out and said it would actually be 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:53.560 an offense if they didn't provide assistance. Firstly, what would 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.440 the offense be? When was the last time we ever 0:18:55.480 --> 0:18:59.120 saw a government, particularly the Australian government, charged with anything. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.160 They have totally changed their story. So this is very 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:08.280 very serious because what it means when you have Tony 0:19:08.320 --> 0:19:11.639 Burke coming out and contradicting what the Prime Minister had said, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.920 one of them is misleading the Parliament. Which one of 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.160 them is it is that the Prime Minister for having 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.920 said no assistance was provided, because that's the way it's 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:25.480 looking on the evidence of Tony Burke, assistance was provided 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.840 when the Prime Minister said it wasn't. So really, this 0:19:28.960 --> 0:19:33.800 is now an actual full blown scandal where the Prime 0:19:33.800 --> 0:19:36.320 Minister looks like he has misled the Parliament. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.280 The other thing is is we now know that more 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.840 Isis brides than their kids are on their way. We 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:42.679 don't know how many. We don't know where they're going 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.520 to live, we don't know what threat they pose. We 0:19:44.560 --> 0:19:47.359 still don't know about the other cohort. Why is Labor 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:48.520 so secretive about this? 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.479 Well, because they're trying to walk both sides of the fence. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:58.480 They're trying to appease the left of the Labor Party 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.000 and they're trying to He's Western Sydney in bringing these 0:20:03.640 --> 0:20:06.840 isis brides back, but they don't want to cop the 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:11.400 political flak for them having done so. I mean, it's 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.680 never the lie, it's always the cover up. And this 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.600 government has been caught with their hands in the cookie 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.879 jar and they have a lot to answer for now. 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:23.479 They've got a lot to answer for as to why 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:29.240 they didn't put things like temporary exclusion orders to ensure 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:33.440 that those isis brides didn't come back into the country. 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.760 Why are they not putting temporary exclusion orders on the 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.320 other cohorts that are due to come back. Why aren't 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:44.280 the existing isis brides that are now in Australia under 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.040 control orders and if they are, well, Australians have a 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:51.360 right to know that that is the case. We're being 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:54.800 told nothing. We are being kept like mushrooms. 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.679 Yeah, absolutely, and we should be told because this is 0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:01.639 a matter of national secure In the end, these brides 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:04.399 have gone over there on this g hardy romance and 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.560 now they want to come back into this country. I 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.600 just it's just an absolute disgrace. Andrew Wallace, We've got 0:21:09.600 --> 0:21:11.040 to leave it there. Good to see you as always, 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.400 Thanks so much for joining me on the show. We're 0:21:13.400 --> 0:21:15.800 coming up after the break, Defense Scraps, a Taste of 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.679 Harmony cookbook produced by one of its departments, on the 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:22.240 taxpayer's dime, Common Sense at Last, that and more with 0:21:22.320 --> 0:21:28.399 my panel next welcome back. Joining me now is my 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.200 panel former Liberal Senator Holly Hughes and former New South 0:21:31.240 --> 0:21:33.800 Wales police minister David Elliott. Good to see you both, 0:21:33.840 --> 0:21:36.119 Thank you so much for joining me. I want to 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.880 start with this planned pro Palestine protest in Sydney this Sunday. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.359 So as we know, the court ruled that they can't 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.119 do it at the Sydney Opera House, which is great news. 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:46.960 But I've got to say, you know what, on Earth. 0:21:47.240 --> 0:21:50.440 Could they possibly be protesting about now, David, we've got 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.160 a piece steal on the table. I don't hear them 0:21:53.320 --> 0:21:57.240 celebrating that yet. The organizer said today, quote, we are 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.840 fighting not just the end of the genocide, but for 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.000 the liberation of Palestine. Our movement will not be stopped. 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:08.000 So nothing about the peace deal, David, nothing at all. 0:22:08.200 --> 0:22:12.439 Well, this is proof that they will just continue to 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:18.760 radicalize locally and of course provide that pressure on overseas 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:24.960 governments to support the Palestinian demands, which won't stop. I mean, 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:29.160 you don't see the Israelis or the Jewish community campaigning 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.680 or protesting again beyond today's announcement about the peace protest, 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:37.640 and the mere fact that the Palestinian authorities are encouraging 0:22:37.640 --> 0:22:40.840 this and locally the pro Palestine groups want to continue 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:43.720 to protest, means that we aren't going to be seeing 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:45.040 an end of this anytime soon. 0:22:45.480 --> 0:22:47.760 No, I agree. I mean, it's just going to keep 0:22:47.800 --> 0:22:49.919 going on and on, even if we get to that 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:52.879 point of peace, Holly, and I've got to say, it's 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:54.520 beyond the point where we can say, oh, this is 0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.080 about free speech. Right. There's been an undertone of hate 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:00.000 at these protests from the beginning, and now they won't 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:01.800 even back off and celebrate peace. 0:23:02.720 --> 0:23:06.000 Well, I think it demonstrates that these are all about hate. 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:09.720 This is what these protests actually are about. Hate for 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:14.359 the Jewish people, hate for Zionist, hate for Israel, and 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:17.720 hate for the West. Quite frankly, I mean, these are 0:23:17.880 --> 0:23:22.320 all extreme left wing id logues and this is their 0:23:22.440 --> 0:23:25.840 cause to jure and until they get the next cause, 0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:30.320