Speaker 1: I'll get Agarouba's welcome to another installing the new project.
Speaker 1: It's it's bloody twenty twenty five. That's what it is.
Speaker 1: It's bloody twenty twenty five. It's January one, and only
Speaker 1: losers would record a podcast on January one, on New
Speaker 1: Year's Day. And the three losers today are David Gillespie,
Speaker 1: Tiffany and called Craig Anthony Harper.
Speaker 2: Hello, Tiv, I'm a winner, mate, I'm a winner. Hello,
Speaker 2: Well you are a winner. Dave's winner too, call him Dave.
Speaker 1: I feel like, no, I'm not a big fan of
Speaker 1: me called Dave.
Speaker 3: People do call me that and I never correct them.
Speaker 1: But I'm correcting. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not a fan,
Speaker 1: I don't, you know. To all the Daves, I apologize.
Speaker 1: But if I was David, I would rather be called David.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what, I think it's always a good
Speaker 3: idea to pay attend to what people call themselves. You know,
Speaker 3: if I run around saying introducing myself as Dave, then
Speaker 3: feel free to call me Dave.
Speaker 1: But I never did, right, right. I think that's probably
Speaker 1: a good rule of thumb. I think that's probably a
Speaker 1: good social kind of to tick, so you pay attention
Speaker 1: to what people call it. A tiff.
Speaker 3: For example, I call Tiff, and I'm not certain that's
Speaker 3: right because on her screen she has Tiffany.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking this. I introduced myself as Tiffany,
Speaker 2: but I prefer most people call me Tiff, and I've
Speaker 2: just started changing things to tiff, like in written form.
Speaker 1: What is that? That's because I mean, you do have
Speaker 1: a very fancy spelling of your name, which is two
Speaker 1: e's on the end. I don't know that fancy.
Speaker 2: I am very fancy.
Speaker 1: You're about as fancy as a fucking ug boot. That's
Speaker 1: how fancy you are.
Speaker 2: You know that my Motorbix called Emily with two e's
Speaker 2: on the end.
Speaker 1: Now of course, Oh wow, we're anthropomorphizing our vehicles, now,
Speaker 1: are we? Although my mum has done. All of her
Speaker 1: cars have had names, and they've all been girl cars,
Speaker 1: so I can't say I'm unfamiliar. What's that?
Speaker 2: My first car was Lucy.
Speaker 3: I can't. I've heard a lot of people name their cars.
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever heard anyone give their current
Speaker 3: a man's name. You don't think people referring to their currents.
Speaker 1: That's Steve, that's that's Brian the Honda accord. It doesn't
Speaker 1: really roll off the tongue, does it. I wonder what
Speaker 1: that is. There's some research for you before we talk
Speaker 1: about who the fuck knows what without giving away any
Speaker 1: family secrets or revealing any data that you don't want to.
Speaker 1: What's news even news day look like in the Gillespie
Speaker 1: household or for the remaining members?
Speaker 3: Well, the remaining members were just my wife and I yesterday,
Speaker 3: because you know, with adult children, they've all got something
Speaker 3: much better and cooler to do than hang around with
Speaker 3: their parents. And yeah, so you know, we're just at
Speaker 3: the beach, went down, caught the fireworks that are on
Speaker 3: the beach, and today I'm mostly sitting around doing nothing,
Speaker 3: which is my idea of a good time.
Speaker 1: Well, accuble you write, is this a book we already
Speaker 1: know about? Or yeah, I know that's the one we
Speaker 1: already know about. That's the one about adhd Yep. What's
Speaker 1: the what's the ETA on publication for that? I don't know.
Speaker 3: It really depends, really depends what the publisher thinks of
Speaker 3: this manuscript. But we'll see how we go.
Speaker 1: Surely by that now they just go, yeah, whatever, we're
Speaker 1: going to publish it. It's not like you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I like to see a manuscript to know,
Speaker 3: you know, where in the year it's going to be published,
Speaker 3: you know, all that marketing year.
Speaker 1: Is this the one that is that you're building around stories?
Speaker 3: No, that was the last one I wrote, which was
Speaker 3: the one about the stories about psycho And yeah, I
Speaker 3: know that one is the one in the market at
Speaker 3: the moment. And now this one is more about talking
Speaker 3: about what a lot of people are describing as ADHD,
Speaker 3: which is lack of focus and you know, the massive
Speaker 3: increase in diagnosis of adult ADHD and all that sort
Speaker 3: of thing, and looking at you know, what's causing that.
Speaker 3: And we've talked about bits and pieces of this a
Speaker 3: lot over time, but more importantly talking about what to
Speaker 3: do about it other than take drugs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is I mean? Well, this wasn't where we're going,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter where we go. It's newsday. What
Speaker 1: are the common misconceptions around ADHD?
Speaker 3: I think one of the really common ones is that
Speaker 3: you're born with it and there's nothing you can do
Speaker 3: about it, you know, you know, it's just the way
Speaker 3: I was born.
Speaker 1: But that's just nonsense. It really is.
Speaker 3: For the vast majority of ADHD cases, or at least
Speaker 3: the things being diagnosed as ADHD. The rates the rates
Speaker 3: of this condition have gone through the roof, The rates
Speaker 3: of diagnosis of drugs for this condition have gone through
Speaker 3: the roof. If it's something that people are born with,
Speaker 3: then it's a pretty weird thing that suddenly the incidence
Speaker 3: of it is changing really dramatically. So but the alternative
Speaker 3: to that that's often put about is well, if you're
Speaker 3: not born with it, then I guess these people are
Speaker 3: imagining it, or they're wroarding the health system in some way,
Speaker 3: or you know, or it's just being made up. I
Speaker 3: don't think that's true either. I think the incidence is
Speaker 3: actually increasing very rapidly. But the cause of it is
Speaker 3: not a birth defect. It's what we're doing in our society,
Speaker 3: which is a combination of and massively increase addiction.
Speaker 1: And what about Do you think that nutrition plays a
Speaker 1: role in ADHD incidents or the prevalence or the growth
Speaker 1: in ADHD diagnoses.
Speaker 3: I think a partial role, in the sense that sugar
Speaker 3: addiction is definitely an underlying base layer to what a
Speaker 3: lot of people ultimately become addicted to. So yes, part
Speaker 3: of fixing this without drugs is removing sugar, but other
Speaker 3: aside from that.
Speaker 1: Now, I feel like, and this is not research anyone,
Speaker 1: and probably inaccurate, but I feel like for some people
Speaker 1: their inability to focus to concentrate is somewhat task or
Speaker 1: context dependent. I feel like, you know, for me, there
Speaker 1: are some things that I really struggle to like. Even
Speaker 1: with my research, there are bits of it where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I cannot like reading a paper that doesn't really interest
Speaker 1: me naturally interests me right versus I'm doing a thing
Speaker 1: at the moment called a risk of bias assessment for
Speaker 1: one hundred and ten papers. I've got this eight step protocol.
Speaker 1: It sounds horribly boring, but today I did nearly four
Speaker 1: hours of it and I was completely engrossed and immersed.
Speaker 1: And I looked up and it was four hours, and
Speaker 1: I went, where did that go? I feel like, with
Speaker 1: certain tasks or in certain capacities, I have amazing focus
Speaker 1: and concentration, and with other tasks or in other perhaps settings,
Speaker 1: not zero but you know, way less.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look absolutely, I mean, And part of the key
Speaker 3: to fixing what's being described as ADHD is to find
Speaker 3: those areas of what I'm calling in the book hyper focus,
Speaker 3: which is I think I think we're all capable of
Speaker 3: hyper focus, as you say, if you find the right thing,
Speaker 3: we're all capable of hyperfocus. The troublers at the moment.
Speaker 3: The easy thing to direct. Hyper focus is usually an
Speaker 3: addictive behavior. So people have the experience you just described
Speaker 3: when they're playing computer games, so they're intensely focused on it,
Speaker 3: they're un'ntable to leave it alone, and then they look
Speaker 3: up and you know, before you know it, four hours
Speaker 3: has gone by, which is of course part of the
Speaker 3: reason why they don't have clocks and casinos and why
Speaker 3: they don't have clocks on screen in computer games. So yes,
Speaker 3: there's a hyper focus, and it's both part of the
Speaker 3: cause of the problem if it's sent in the wrong direction,
Speaker 3: and I say, the cure of the problem. So you know,
Speaker 3: my preliminary title for this book is hyper focused, and
Speaker 3: it's you know, how to get more done in less time?
Speaker 3: And or the subtitle love come up with, and none.
Speaker 1: Of these will be kept by the publisher because they
Speaker 1: always hate. My marketing ideas.
Speaker 3: Is you know how to focus like it's nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: and that that's what I propose as part of the cure,
Speaker 3: which is find the thing that isn't addictive creates that
Speaker 3: state of high focus.
Speaker 1: Yes, that is I mean obviously it sounds simple. It
Speaker 1: can be both simple and difficult. But yeah, like if
Speaker 1: you could find that thing that can get somebody in
Speaker 1: that state of where they are focused, they are byper
Speaker 1: focused perhaps.
Speaker 3: But I'll make a guess about you and this research
Speaker 3: you were doing. When you got to the end of
Speaker 3: that four hours, did you feel you know, enlivened, supercharged
Speaker 3: or did you feel exhausted?
Speaker 1: I felt fucking great. And it's funny because I am
Speaker 1: not the best student, right, there's a shock, But when
Speaker 1: I'm learning something I want to learn, Like when I
Speaker 1: say I'm not, I'm probably actually quite a good student
Speaker 1: in certain capacities and environments. But in the traditional traditional
Speaker 1: academia kind of or academic setting and academic kind of processes,
Speaker 1: some of them they just do my head in because
Speaker 1: they're so pointless and inefficient, as you well know, right, no,
Speaker 1: go on, you can, yeah, but I've you know, there
Speaker 1: are some things where it took me a while to
Speaker 1: understand this particular thing that I have to do in analyzing.
Speaker 1: Sorry everyone for boring you. But this is just my day,
Speaker 1: the risk of bias assessment for all of these individual
Speaker 1: way that individual studies were done, and it's like one
Speaker 1: paper sometimes got six studies, so you've got to do
Speaker 1: six analysis or assessments in one paper. And you know, anyway,
Speaker 1: but I've kind of got into a rhythm and I've
Speaker 1: figured it out and I'm clear about what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: So my confidence has gone up my output. Like it
Speaker 1: was taking me one hour to do one paper, and
Speaker 1: you know, now I'm doing depending on how many studies
Speaker 1: are in each paper, but I might do three, four
Speaker 1: or five in an hour. It depends. But with that,
Speaker 1: you know, and so yeah, I guess too, when you
Speaker 1: feel like you're competent at something or you're actually making
Speaker 1: ground or for me anyway, there's a lot more joy
Speaker 1: in it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, and I think what you just described is exactly
Speaker 3: the way someone who can play a musical instrument well feels.
Speaker 1: After they have a session.
Speaker 3: So they go and they play the instrument for an
Speaker 3: hour or whatever, and they experience that hyper focus and
Speaker 3: then at the end of it they feel real euphoria,
Speaker 3: like someone's giving them drugs. It's not a grind. Whereas
Speaker 3: for me. If I tried to do that, I wouldn't
Speaker 3: feel euphoria. I'd feel extreme frustration because I can't play
Speaker 3: a musical instrument very well at all, and it's a
Speaker 3: grind for me. So you've got to find the area
Speaker 3: of hyperfocus. Your story actually reminded me of the way
Speaker 3: I did university, at least my undergraduate degree is. And
Speaker 3: I was often laughed at for this, but it was
Speaker 3: the only way I could do it. I never went
Speaker 3: to a lecture. This is back in the days when
Speaker 3: you were supposed to go to lectures and they can
Speaker 3: record them, and the only way to find out what
Speaker 3: happened at a lecture was to go to it, and
Speaker 3: I never did because I found that an extremely low
Speaker 3: bandwidth way to get information and it usually just put
Speaker 3: me to sleep. So, and this was in the days
Speaker 3: when they used to assess things with sort of seriously
Speaker 3: long exams at the end of a year. So year's
Speaker 3: worth of lectures with a really long exam at the
Speaker 3: end of it, and that was it. And I determined
Speaker 3: that the only real way that I could learn anything
Speaker 3: was to do nothing all year, and then in the
Speaker 3: two weeks prior to the exam, essentially cram the entire
Speaker 3: textbook usually written by the lecturer. So that's probably what
Speaker 3: the lecture lectures were about and hope for the best.
Speaker 3: But in that period that two weeks, that was two
Speaker 3: weeks of hyper focus. That was like really really disciplined.
Speaker 3: You read for two hours, then you take a break,
Speaker 3: and then you read for another two hours and then
Speaker 3: you take a break.
Speaker 1: You know. So it was done that way. So I
Speaker 1: want to know, by the way, kids don't do what
Speaker 1: David did it. Now I've seen my kids in university.
Speaker 1: You couldn't do it. They've got NonStop assessments and sign
Speaker 1: and all that, you know.
Speaker 3: They university is a lot more like high school these
Speaker 3: days and the way it's conducted.
Speaker 1: So when I did my first degree, which was one
Speaker 1: hundred years ago, but you know, so anatomy and physiology
Speaker 1: and biomechanics and energy systems and all the stuff that
Speaker 1: you actually have to commit to memory. You know, it's
Speaker 1: like because you're being assessed on functional anatomy. So we
Speaker 1: have this like a myriad of books. But where I
Speaker 1: would read the book, I'd kind of skim it and
Speaker 1: then I'd highlight the stuff that I thought I needed
Speaker 1: to know I'd do that for every chapter, and then
Speaker 1: I would record on CDs, right or floppy discs or whatever.
Speaker 1: I would record the stuff that I'd highlighted, and then
Speaker 1: I would play that in my car NonStop. You know.
Speaker 1: So I'd say, so there's there's four quad muscles, you know,
Speaker 1: rectis femeris.
Speaker 3: You know. Is that what you do when you don't
Speaker 3: have friends at university?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly, that is it inserts into the bloody patella tendon,
Speaker 1: which inserts into the tibi l tu vorosity or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. Right, I remembered it. I've remembered it. But
Speaker 1: I would just memorize all this shit. But then so
Speaker 1: it took me a while to download it. But then
Speaker 1: nearly everything that I memorized for exams back in the day,
Speaker 1: nearly everything I cannot get out of my head. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but once I learn, like I'm a slow learner, but
Speaker 1: once it's learned, I almost never unlearn it.
Speaker 3: I once saw us some research somewhere about that audio
Speaker 3: learning methodology, and I've tried it a few times myself,
Speaker 3: and it kind of works. And I think the research
Speaker 3: said you have to hear something seven times and really
Speaker 3: focus on it, listen to it seven times and then
Speaker 3: it will be memorized. So when I've really needed to
Speaker 3: memorize something, I sort of incantation seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, and it seems to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah almost. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I used to create stories around shit so I could
Speaker 1: or But this is different, but similar Like with people's names,
Speaker 1: if it was a difficult name, I've think of something
Speaker 1: that's you know, like a town or a place or
Speaker 1: a car or whatever, and I'd associate that image with
Speaker 1: that person. So even if I had no idea of
Speaker 1: what their name was, just looking at them, I could
Speaker 1: recall this image or this whatever association and then I
Speaker 1: would know from that because I couldn't remember their name,
Speaker 1: but I could remember the image that I had in
Speaker 1: my mind that I associated with that person.
Speaker 3: What's the image you've got in your mind for Tiffany.
Speaker 1: Well, for tiff, I've just got an ug boot for you.
Speaker 1: I've got the David and you know which is well,
Speaker 1: thank you, I think, which is maybe I don't know
Speaker 1: if you should be that platted It's right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: So so have you got any I mean, without giving
Speaker 1: away the book, because we're all going to buy. The
Speaker 1: book is going to be called hyper Focus.
Speaker 3: And probably not, because you know, when a publisher's marketing
Speaker 3: department gets these things.
Speaker 1: I haven't had one yet. I've read.
Speaker 3: I've written fourteen books and that have been published by publishers,
Speaker 3: and not one of them has come out with the
Speaker 3: same title I gave it.
Speaker 1: Tiff, can you look that up and see if there's
Speaker 1: a book called Hyperfocus? Please please idea. Yeah, let's check that.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that's a book. Well,
Speaker 1: every time I come up with a new title, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's already there, is it there, Tiff.
Speaker 2: And someone Chris Bailey, Chris Bailey.
Speaker 1: Give us a snapshot, give us a little bit of
Speaker 1: a give us a snapshot of that, or a byline
Speaker 1: of what that book's about.
Speaker 2: Hyperfocus is a practical guy. Me, yeah, let me let
Speaker 2: me open the link. Hyperfocus had to be more productive
Speaker 2: in a world of distraction. Guide to managing your attention
Speaker 2: the most powerful resource you have to get stuff done,
Speaker 2: become more creative, and live a meaningful life.
Speaker 1: That sounds way too fluffy for Giles. More science. He
Speaker 1: will be a lot more research based respect to that guy,
Speaker 1: But it's ye. Dave published Tiffany.
Speaker 2: When was it published eighteen?
Speaker 1: Old school? Old school up today today? That's historic, that's
Speaker 1: pre covid, because that is that even real anymore it's
Speaker 1: in the stone, then it's not going to be called
Speaker 1: hyper focus. Are there any tips that you might share
Speaker 1: with us for not necessarily exploring the realm of the
Speaker 1: hyper but becoming just more focused and more what's the
Speaker 1: word effective at managing our attention in general? Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, like one of them is exactly the one you described,
Speaker 3: which is to find that thing. And for many people
Speaker 3: do have a thing like that, whatever it is, for
Speaker 3: a lot of people at sport, and that's perfectly fine too.
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be an intellectual thing. It just
Speaker 3: has to be something that when you're doing it, the
Speaker 3: world passes you by entirely, where you're one hundred percent
Speaker 3: focus on that thing.
Speaker 1: Yes, and.
Speaker 3: You finish doing it whatever amount of time it takes,
Speaker 3: preferably at least an hour, and you come out of
Speaker 3: it almost euphoric from having devoted your entire attention to that.
Speaker 3: And the reason for that is that doing that causes
Speaker 3: the brain to produce a significant.
Speaker 1: Quantity of dopamine.
Speaker 3: More probably consistently than even pursuing things which are addictive
Speaker 3: that would normally produce dopamine spikes, and in essence, what
Speaker 3: this is is sort of like a method owned treatment
Speaker 3: for addiction in the sense what you're trying to do
Speaker 3: is generate homemade dopamine and to do that using things
Speaker 3: that also have other benefits to your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so home dopamine, that sounds like a good recipe.
Speaker 3: Well, all dopa means homemade. But this is self generated,
Speaker 3: I guess is a better way.
Speaker 1: It's not externally generated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and so you know, people might know of
Speaker 3: the concept of the runners high. For example, people talk
Speaker 3: about the runners high and they're so into running that
Speaker 3: they can't even miss a day, like you know, you
Speaker 3: know about it. For people who go to the gym,
Speaker 3: there are people who will really just get quite upset
Speaker 3: if they if they miss a regular gym session that
Speaker 3: they're they're keen on going to. And that's not everyone
Speaker 3: by every stretch. I mean, gyms make their money out
Speaker 3: of the rest of the population, which are the ones
Speaker 3: who buy memberships and go twice and then never go again.
Speaker 3: But there are people who very much get their value
Speaker 3: for money out of the gym because they can't miss
Speaker 3: a day, and they are in essence addicted to that
Speaker 3: dopamine rush they get from doing that intensely focused exercise.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny you say this. There's a I'll
Speaker 1: just say a young man at once, say his age,
Speaker 1: and I'll definitely not say his name. We'll call him.
Speaker 1: We'll call him Johane. It's not John. But I literally
Speaker 1: had a meeting with this young man two days ago,
Speaker 1: sitting in my garden about twenty feet from where I'm talking,
Speaker 1: and nobody knows what I'm talking about, so I can
Speaker 1: say this bit. He has significant body dysmorphia. He's completely
Speaker 1: obsessed with exercise and managing his food and all of
Speaker 1: these things like lovely dude, really good dude, but yeah
Speaker 1: and that and very smart, like he knows, he knows
Speaker 1: what he should be doing, but there's so much fear
Speaker 1: and anxiety. Like he trains twice a day, Like he
Speaker 1: has a full time job, an important job, smart, makes
Speaker 1: lots to do. He has to train twice a day.
Speaker 1: And I said to him, like, we have this whole
Speaker 1: chat and me, I've been borderline body dysmorphic over the
Speaker 1: years with stuff and all the Craig harba bullshit. But
Speaker 1: I said to him, all the starting point is that
Speaker 1: you just train once a day and just terror. I go, so,
Speaker 1: there's what you're comfortable to do, and there's the thing
Speaker 1: that you know you should probably do, right, And he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. And I said, look, you know, whatever you're
Speaker 1: going to do, you're going to do so this I mean,
Speaker 1: this thing it's actually you know, some people call it
Speaker 1: athletic andsa, this predisposition, or this addiction to not being
Speaker 1: able to even have a fucking day off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is an addiction, and it's a very real one.
Speaker 3: And he reacted exactly the same way that an addict
Speaker 3: would react who was an addict to anything else. So
Speaker 3: you go up to a fourteen year old gamer and say, yeah,
Speaker 3: look you're gaming eight hours a day. I want you
Speaker 3: to cut back to four. You get a similar reaction. Yes,
Speaker 3: and yeah. The real question is is the addiction doing harm?
Speaker 3: Is it impairing him in the rest of his life,
Speaker 3: you know? Or is it something that he can control
Speaker 3: and healthy manage?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Those are the they're the questions you've got to ask.
Speaker 3: I mean, because it just because it's an otherwise considered
Speaker 3: healthy thing to do to generate dopamine, like going to
Speaker 3: the gym, doesn't mean that if you take it to
Speaker 3: the extreme, it's any less potentially harmful for you than
Speaker 3: any other addiction.
Speaker 1: That is correct. And the amount of stress and anxiety
Speaker 1: he has, you know, he is under recovered, he's overtrained,
Speaker 1: he is undernourished.
Speaker 3: But that's the kind of thing that addiction does. I mean,
Speaker 3: addiction wouldn't matter that much if there weren't consequences in
Speaker 3: the sense that you know. I mean, you could say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: there are consequences for being a smoking addict. You die
Speaker 3: of lung cancer, okay, But those are consequences of the
Speaker 3: addiction delivery mechanism, the cigarette. If the only problem of
Speaker 3: addiction was that, then you'd say, okay, well, then we
Speaker 3: just put you on nicote patches and you're all good.
Speaker 3: You can load up on them for the rest of
Speaker 3: your life. You'll be at it, you'll be an addict
Speaker 3: to them. But who cares? It matters because addiction comes
Speaker 3: with a whole load of extra things, which essentially account
Speaker 3: for probably ninety percent of what we call mental ill health.
Speaker 3: You know, it cascades once you've got that addiction state
Speaker 3: in your brain. You've changed your tolerance level for dopamines
Speaker 3: so high that you need these hits all the time,
Speaker 3: which it sounds like this fellow has. Then that level,
Speaker 3: that delaposs B level is so high that you are anxious, paranoid,
Speaker 3: potentially psychotic, and if it goes further, ultimately schizophrenic and
Speaker 3: probably depressed all at the same time and ADHD when
Speaker 3: you're not at the gym. So it's all of that
Speaker 3: stuff which makes addiction matter. It isn't the addiction itself.
Speaker 3: And if you add all of that stuff up, you've
Speaker 3: just named ninety percent of the DSM.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And you know what else is
Speaker 1: interesting is in the middle of all of this stuff,
Speaker 1: like people who are have this kind of an addiction
Speaker 1: that revolves around a lot around appearance. You know, there's emotional, psychological, sociological,
Speaker 1: physiological variables and factors that all that shit, right, But
Speaker 1: I said to him, so, doing all the stuff that
Speaker 1: you do, all the rituals, all the you know, everything
Speaker 1: you know, does it make you happy? And he's like, Noah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, but nonetheless can't stop.
Speaker 3: All that I suspected you asked him a slightly different question,
Speaker 3: you get a different answer, which is if you asked him,
Speaker 3: when you are at the gym, when you are doing
Speaker 3: this and you're having a good workout, yeah, you feel normal.
Speaker 3: And I think the answer to that would be yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think he'd probably say it's the only time I
Speaker 3: feel normal, which is why it's so distressing for him
Speaker 3: to hear you say he needs to do less of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I guess I know the answer to the
Speaker 1: next and final question I have for you. But I
Speaker 1: was telling tip before I did an interview today with
Speaker 1: the ABC, which they the ABC seem to ring me
Speaker 1: every New Year to talk to me about New Years resolutions,
Speaker 1: the efficacy thereof or lack of. Are you a I'm
Speaker 1: guessing no, But are you in New Year's resolution type
Speaker 1: of person? No?
Speaker 3: What's the point of making a resolution you're going to
Speaker 3: break with twenty four hours?
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. Well, they actually did a you know, a
Speaker 1: somewhat pointless study. It's I think it was Birmingham University
Speaker 1: or Brighton University in anyway, it was like eighty eight
Speaker 1: percent of people don't achieve what they set out. So
Speaker 1: I was surprised that that number wasn't higher I would
Speaker 1: have thought it would be close to one hundred of people.
Speaker 1: I would have thought, I mean people who go right
Speaker 1: January one, this is what I'm doing. And you know,
Speaker 1: when you think about I would say virtually everyone who
Speaker 1: sets a resolution wants that change to be permanent. Like
Speaker 1: no one says I want to get in shape for
Speaker 1: seven weeks, right, everyone says I want to be whatever
Speaker 1: it is, fit, a healthier, leaner, more productive, you know,
Speaker 1: smoke lesson I.
Speaker 3: Reckon the other twelve percent of the lawyers, you know,
Speaker 3: I you know where there there's a there's an asterisk
Speaker 3: after the resolution, you know, like I want to drink
Speaker 3: less asterisk without definitions of what you're drinking before and
Speaker 3: what you're planning to drink next.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm sure there's a couple of loopholes in there
Speaker 1: for the legal brethren and sister and hey mate, thanks
Speaker 1: for thanks for chatting with us. Are you when are
Speaker 1: you going to I mean, are you working like your
Speaker 1: work's not a normal job anyway? Well, you do do
Speaker 1: a normal job, but when are you back to your proper,
Speaker 1: real grown up job?
Speaker 2: Next?
Speaker 1: Next Monday? Next Monday. I take a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: off for Christmas.
Speaker 3: And try and get some serious writing done. Hey, just
Speaker 3: out of curiosity, what were we going to talk about today?
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about how Australia never runs out
Speaker 1: of money or how.
Speaker 3: They go We're going to do We've got to do
Speaker 3: that because that is an interesting topic.
Speaker 1: That really is.
Speaker 3: We don't have to do it today, save it up
Speaker 3: for the next time if you want It'll keep But
Speaker 3: I think that's a very interesting topic. Why, you know,
Speaker 3: why do we keep getting told we can't afford stuff
Speaker 3: when we have absolutely no trouble affording the things the
Speaker 3: government wants to afford, like submarines and those sorts of things.
Speaker 1: I can do it tomorrow if you're a free But
Speaker 1: let's say goodbye for now and we'll chat briefly off fair.
Speaker 1: Hey mate, thanks for thanks for your wisdom and insight.
Speaker 1: As always, no worries. Thanks guys,