WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 19 June 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:06.640 From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray live. Thank 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.240 you Sharry Tonight we go old school none other than 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:12.559 Brombrey Bishop and Joe Hildebrand in the man Cave, both 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:15.480 together fighting it out over all the big issues the 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:19.160 Willie won't they In and around America's bunker bomb. We'll 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.040 get to some late breaking information in and around that. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.680 And somebody who would know is telling us exactly how 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:29.160 China works over Australia. The countries like Australia to give 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:31.240 you what it wants. We get to all that the second. 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:34.200 As I said, big issues, world issues, but as always 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.959 we try to start with Australia first. Now I want 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.360 to take you way back to about twenty something years ago, okay, 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.400 and believe you this time machine adventure will be worth it. 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:47.559 The trains in Sydney in the early two thousands post 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.240 the Olympics were not fantastic. They were always running late. 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.320 There were all sorts of problems. If one problem happened 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:57.360 at one train station, the entire network would be knocked 0:00:57.360 --> 0:01:00.760 over slightly. But surely that system has been tried to 0:01:00.760 --> 0:01:03.280 be cleaned up over a long time. But of course, 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.600 when the trains run late, in any major capital city 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.000 it becomes a political problem. And back then, Bobcarr was 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:10.639 the news of bas premiere and was very very cool, 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.160 good at politics when it came to the handling of things. 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.840 I remember going to a press conference once as a 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.160 young reporter where he announced that people who were already 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.640 serving a life term will serve a life term in jail. 0:01:22.760 --> 0:01:24.560 He was good at being able to change the subject, 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:28.880 and that government made a decision that rather than admit 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:33.839 that the trains were constantly running late, they just changed 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:38.959 the timetable. That literally late didn't mean late any more. 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.640 It was if it arrived within I think about ten 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.560 minutes of the actual time, then it technically wasn't late. 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:49.880 So that are the late trains just disappear. 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:51.200 Well. 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.960 A perfect example of that now twenty years later, is 0:01:55.000 --> 0:01:59.280 being deployed by Chris Bowen, one of many young labor 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:01.640 people who learned via the feet and the ways of 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.120 bobcar and the way that he did things way back when. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.200 Again very successful politically, But we're not talking about trains 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.080 running late here. We know that Chris Bowen, along with 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.680 the Prime Minister, is trying to change the electricity system 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.120 from the one that worked to the one that will 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:18.600 make people feel good. It will cost the best part 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.880 of a trillion dollars to do so, and of course 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.480 it's more expensive, but if you say it enough times, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.280 people will eventually forget that their bills keep going up. Right. 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:34.000 The cheapest, most reliable form of energy for Australians, and that, 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:35.679 of course, is renewable energy. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:37.120 Renewables, the cheapest form of energy. 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:39.680 Cheapest energy price is going forward. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:42.040 Renewable energy is incredibly cheap. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.320 Now for fifteen years that I have been on it, 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.760 enough to be sitting here and in your land room 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:49.959 or wherever you happen to watch the show. I've never 0:02:49.960 --> 0:02:52.480 been a denier of climate change nor the potential benefits 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:54.919 of things like renewable energy. But what I have said, 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.760 regardless of whom the person is who's pushing it or 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.960 the leader who was promising it, the cost of transition 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.560 was always going to be the problem for me. And 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:08.960 the cost of transition has been obvious as we go 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:11.600 from a system that works to a completely new one 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:14.640 that is being built. As I say, it could cost 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:17.200 up to a trillion dollars for us to do it, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:21.200 and yes, the government will stump up some of the money. 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:24.079 Private companies might absorb some of it, but it's pretty 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:26.960 obvious who has to pay a big chunk of it. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:27.680 You. 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.040 Power prices are set to increase. 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:32.600 Power bills are climbate. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:36.200 Australian families braced for even higher power bills. 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.560 So what is the trains aren't running late? Solution that 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.360 Chris Bowen and the Energy regulator are going to put 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:47.800 in place will bear with me because this one kind 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:50.400 of takes the cake for the way modern politics works. 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:53.880 The way it is going to work is that apparently 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.160 energy retailers will be restricted to only increasing their prices 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:58.400 once a year. 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:00.520 Terms. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.800 This is a little bit like those politician pay rises. Yeah, 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.400 people are bitch and known for a couple of days 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:06.360 and then they won't talk about it again for the 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.240 rest of the year. But the reality is is that 0:04:10.360 --> 0:04:13.200 if it is just once a year increase, that those 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.279 increases are going to be sharper and sharper and sharper 0:04:17.400 --> 0:04:20.680 until we eventually get to the time when all of 0:04:20.720 --> 0:04:24.200 the stuff has been built, it's all paid itself off, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:28.240 and then we start to see potentially what renewable energy 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.080 is to the customer versus the existing systems that have worked, 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:34.920 but let me read from this story today. The Isradian 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:38.640 Market Energy Market Commission has announced the changes on Thursday, 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:43.080 entrenching a sweep of new rules designed to PreTect consumers 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.839 from price shocks. Doesn't mean prices won't go up, but 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.839 retailers will now be limited to lifting prices once a 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.479 year and must ensure that customers who sign up to 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.680 a plan with a temporary benefit do not rule over 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:59.679 to one that is higher than the default price. Further, 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:02.640 there is now a ban on what the AMEC calls 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.760 unreasonably high penalties for not paying a bill on time. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.479 There's also a ban on fees except for network charges 0:05:09.760 --> 0:05:14.040 for vulnerable customers. Okay, there's no real problem with that, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:17.000 but still, you can imagine once a year and they're 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:18.880 going to pretend, no, it's not our fail, it's somebody 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.920 else making the decision. It's exactly the same logic as 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.600 the trains and exactly the same logic as power. As 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:29.120 a pay rises for MPs, providers must also limit fees 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:36.240 and chargers to reasonable costs for all other consumers. But interestingly, 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.479 on the very same day that the government was finding 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:45.159 a way to kind of hide the reality of the 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:48.080 cost from one energy system to the new energy system. 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:51.560 And remember that the election just beIN they promised no 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.600 cuts to electricity prices in the way they had previously 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.839 promised at the election before this. So with no promise 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:00.600 for your power bills to go down, we've just found 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.440 a way that your power bills will go up. It 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.960 just won't be as randomly as it has been in 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.960 the past. Therefore, everyone's annoyed for a couple of days. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:11.200 Will make the announcement of what the week before Christmas. 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.080 They'll do it on the King's Birthday public holiday. You 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.080 know how all this is going to work, and all 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.239 of it will, of course politically be amazing. And anyone 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.159 who talks about power prices being an electoral problem, it's 0:06:22.240 --> 0:06:25.120 just a crazy person making stuff up. Right. This is 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.200 a classic example about public policy, moving from jumping into 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.200 the pot of boiling water to the frog in boiling water, 0:06:32.480 --> 0:06:36.120 where slowly but surely it turns warmer and warmer until 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.599 it is too late to realize it's boiling and you 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.799 are cooked. But on the very same day that announcement 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:45.240 was being made, what about people who owe money to 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:48.719 gym charmers, And by that I mean the Federal government 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.480 and by that I mean, of course the Australian Taxation Office. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.480 Well it's very different. You see, if you are late 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.320 with your payments on a power bill, it will be 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.159 basically illegal to have to pay a fine for that. 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:01.840 And if you are late with money to the Australian 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:05.880 Tax Office, guess what's going to happen With over fifty 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.520 billion dollars an outstanding tax debt owe to the Australian 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:11.440 Tax Office. The government wants to make it much less 0:07:11.480 --> 0:07:15.960 attractive for people to delay paying their tax bills. However, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.679 the rules are changing and accountants worn that recently passed 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:23.960 legislation by the Federal government regarding the tax deductibility of 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:29.320 ato interest has potential to push struggling small businesses over 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.520 the edge and into liquidation. From July the first, if 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.720 you owe money to the Australian Tax Office, you will 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.560 no longer be able to claim a tax deduction on 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.440 the interest that they charge you. So let's be very 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:47.800 clear the private companies that sell you the electricity that 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:52.840 the government is forcing them to change the sources by 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:57.200 which electricity is created. They can't charge any extra fines 0:07:57.240 --> 0:07:59.840 for late payments. If you're late with a payment to 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:04.520 the Australian Tax Office, that system changes and the interest 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.920 that is going to be charged goes through the roof. 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:10.440 Let me continue with some of the analysis about what 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.480 took place here today, talk about a double standard. Anyone 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:18.040 without tax deductibility. The Australian Tax Office interest rate of 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.840 ten point seven eight percent from July one becomes an 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:26.239 effective interest rate of fourteen zero point three seven percent 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:30.720 per small businesses and an effective interest rate of twenty 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:35.480 percent for individuals on the highest marginal tax rate. So again, 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.600 don't you love this rules for the power industry because 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.600 that causes political problems if you end up owing a 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.520 tax bill, if you are late with paying that tax 0:08:45.559 --> 0:08:48.920 bill because maybe you don't have the money. No, no, no, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.160 no mercy for you. Instead, jacket up, jacket up, jacket up. 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:57.120 And remember that number that was owing of outstanding tax 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:02.480 was about fifty billion dollars. Well, let's again look at 0:09:02.520 --> 0:09:07.040 the confusing logic of this government, particularly when it comes 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:11.920 to the amount of money that the taxpayer is owed 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:15.640 by people who have gone to university and the taxpayer 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.760 has paid for them to go through their tertiary education. 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:24.640 The total amount owing to taxpayers in hecks outstanding hex 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:30.360 he's eighty one before billion dollars. Now we know that 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:32.520 the way that the Labor Party was able to get 0:09:32.520 --> 0:09:34.000 a whole bunch of young people to vote for it, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.079 not the Greens because they were worried about what might 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:41.280 happen to the Left, was that they just forgave billions 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:43.719 of dollars worth of that eighty billion dollars worth of debt. 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.480 Now they're not willing to do it when it comes 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:47.640 to the tax office. No, no, no, no no. If you 0:09:47.720 --> 0:09:50.920 owe them money, no changes, no forgiveness, no forgiveness for 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:53.600 small business. Look, we know you paid all the bills 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:55.880 in the past. Let's just drop it by a third, right, 0:09:55.960 --> 0:09:58.600 because we want to keep you in business and you employed. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.480 But the triangle of dependency where you hand out for 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:04.400 the government or you work for the government, or the 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.839 biggest client is government, is the real game here. Anyone else, 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:13.959 like a small business can well just bugger off. As 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:17.240 you know, decision was made during the election to cut 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.880 twenty percent of thousands of people student debt loans. The 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:23.240 ubuneasy Labor government will kind of further twenty percent off 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:27.160 student debt. This will wipe out sixteen billion, So eighty 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:31.240 one billion minus sixteen billion, and that is how much 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:34.000 money is still left over, which is still way more 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:37.160 than the total amount outstanding right now when it comes 0:10:37.200 --> 0:10:41.360 to the tax office. So to repeat for I think 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.200 the sixth time. But it's still important to know who 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:49.240 this government truly values small business. If you owe money 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.320 to the tax office, bugger you. We're going to increase 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.280 the rate that you have to pay it back by 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:59.160 if you are late. The tax office that in part 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:04.040 will be administering the what sixty five billion dollars outstanding 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:08.240 in unpaid university fees? Well, who cares? Because those small 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.960 business people too small a number, as opposed to the 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:12.920 young people who, of course they want to vote, which 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:16.080 means you get ninety four seats in the parliament. You 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.680 tell small business to get stuffed, but the unie students 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:23.240 keep voting labor. Happy times, Happy times, and the trains 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:27.960 now run on time. As you know. I have remained 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.360 steadfast in a conversation about immigration, and it is not 0:11:31.520 --> 0:11:37.160 a cultural conversation about immigration, it is literally a capacity conversation. 0:11:37.880 --> 0:11:41.480 Australia is at twenty seven million people. That number has 0:11:41.679 --> 0:11:46.440 exploded in just the past twenty years. You know that 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:47.760 at the turn of the century, I think it was 0:11:47.760 --> 0:11:50.120 close to about eighteen million people that we had in 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.920 the country. But slowly but surely, yes, people have babies, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.040 but more people end up coming to the country. They 0:11:55.040 --> 0:11:57.959 come to the country as skilled workers or they come 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:00.760 to the country as family reunion. We also know that 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:02.680 this Prime Minister when this was a bit of a 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.360 political issue back before they could change the subject to 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.400 medicare and UGA boogers about Peter Dutton, all of which 0:12:08.400 --> 0:12:12.040 were successful, all of which the Australian people endorsed. People 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:13.920 had a problem with the number of people that were 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.720 coming in because, as you know, the more people who 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.040 come in, the more people there are to every single 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:23.160 potential queue in Australia, especially when it comes to housing. 0:12:23.559 --> 0:12:25.680 You know that small problem of where do people live? 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:28.560 But who cares? We're just growing the tax base, which 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.600 in part is what Chalmers was talking about yesterday with 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.240 his whole plans for a sustainable budget, which put simply 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:36.880 means despite how much they have to spend, they have 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.040 to have more people paying tax and more taxes put 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:44.360 on even those that are already paying their tax. But 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.520 the eagle eyes at the Daily Telegraph of sorry, the 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:49.840 Daily Mail have called out the bs from the Prime 0:12:49.840 --> 0:12:53.480 Minister who remember promised to cut immigration. In fact, they 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.720 made a promise just before the election in the budget 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.920 that was released just before the election. And Australia took 0:12:58.960 --> 0:13:01.079 in three hundred and forty thirds and eight hundred migrants 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.400 last year. That is higher than the forecast of three 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.880 hundred and thirty five thousand arrivals for the twenty four 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:12.320 to twenty five financial year. It's seventy six percent higher 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.800 than the pre pandemic intakes of one hundred and ninety 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:18.240 four thousand. The new figures were released on Thursday, a 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:21.720 day after Jim Chalmers had admitted that Australia would struggle 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:25.880 to build one point two million households in the five 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:31.240 years to twenty twenty nine to accommodate the population explosion. Now, 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.400 of course, as you know, if you talk about this 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.520 in any way, shape or form, and again it was 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:38.200 partly successful and part of the mix as to how 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.880 the government was able to get re elected. Any conversation 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.760 about migration is somehow an attack on anyone who has 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:47.760 migrated to the country. Now you and I both know 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.240 that's not true. You and I both know that. It 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:54.080 takes me an extra thirty seconds to read that disclaimer 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:55.880 because it is what I believe and I don't want 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:59.120 it to be misinterpreted. But just like the lies about them, 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:04.040 any care Karda lies about population, it doesn't matter because 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:06.320 a compliant prayers who are happy with the arrangements that 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.280 they have, who want more access, who want to be 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:12.080 able to fly around the world listening to the Prime 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:15.640 Minister slaying diplomatic dragons, like saying good a to world 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:18.600 leaders like we told you last night. They don't want 0:14:18.600 --> 0:14:23.680 to rock this boat. But again, if you do even 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.640 have a conversation about, okay, cool, hundreds of thousands more 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.680 people come in, there's not enough houses. That's a problem 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.240 right on, And apparently to even discuss that issue, you 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:39.080 get hit with the R word racist, racist, racist, racist 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:44.560 racist racist racist. Just a reminder that the Intergenerational Report, 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:46.360 the same one that I show you oh so often, 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:48.840 that tells us about those budget deficits between this year 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.760 and the twenty sixties. It also says that astraight As 0:14:51.760 --> 0:14:56.960 population is headed above forty million people by the twenty sixties. 0:14:57.600 --> 0:15:02.200 In fact, according to the Intergeneration Report. The report projects 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:05.560 that forty and a half million people will live in 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.480 Australia by the early twenty sixties. This is the same 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.440 report that tells us that despite that huge population increase, 0:15:11.480 --> 0:15:16.000 there will be a decade of deficits. And of course, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:19.040 the plan for all of this is the magic two 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:21.560 words that were said five times by the Treasurer of 0:15:21.560 --> 0:15:25.960 this week, and the code is tax increases. 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.640 Tax reform, tax reform, tax reform, tax reform, tax reform, 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:31.200 tax reform, tax reform. 0:15:31.840 --> 0:15:34.280 All right, let's send our attention to the issues of 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:36.360 war that are happening around the world. And before we 0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:37.840 get to the trump of it all, let's deal with 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.760 the Australians of it all. Remember earlier in the week 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.640 I told you that there was three hundred people in Israel, 0:15:42.680 --> 0:15:46.560 three hundred and fifty people from Iran who are Australians 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.640 wanting to return back to Australia. Where those numbers have 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.720 gone through the roof. We learned today that the Foreign 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.320 Minister Pennywong has described the situation in the Middle East 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:59.760 as incredibly dangerous, increasingly dangerous. Thanks scoop. But here's the detail. 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:04.880 About fifteen hundred Australians in Iran. Twelve hundred are in 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.600 Israel have registered for assistance to get out a dodge 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:12.200 to get out of those countries, and she anticipates that 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.360 the number will increase. Here is the Foreign Minister. 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:20.280 Those numbers I anticipate will continue to climb. They've certainly 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.120 increased over the last few days. 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:26.400 But of course airports completely closed in both countries. The 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.520 focus of those trying to get out of Israel, well, 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.760 they are literally turning to tour guides to try to 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.680 find ways out. But have a look at this story 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:38.520 that was in the Channel nine newspapers where a mother 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.080 whose thirty year old son was stuck in Tel Aviv 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.040 after last week's retaliatory attracts says that she was incredibly 0:16:44.040 --> 0:16:46.920 angry and disappointed by the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:49.240 People are dying on both sides and the governments washed 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:54.120 their hands completely. People are feeling abandoned by the government. 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:58.160 They feel like the government doesn't care. Now, I have 0:16:58.200 --> 0:16:59.680 no doubt that if that was your kid that was there, 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.600 you feel like that. In reality, you can't move these 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.119 couple of thousands of people as quickly as possible, all 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.720 at once, because you can't fly them out because for 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:11.879 obvious reasons, with missiles raining down in both countries, but 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.560 particularly in Israel, it is impossible to move a large 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.680 amount of people. But here is Penny Wong with the 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:18.080 latest from end of things. 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:22.960 We took the opportunity to assist a small group out 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.440 across a land border crossing over in the last twenty 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:31.520 four hours, and we hope to have more able to 0:17:31.560 --> 0:17:34.840 be moved today. Obviously that does depend on the security 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:35.879 situation on the ground. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:38.600 All right, let's send our attention to the Trump of 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:40.480 it all. Will he or won't he? Of course, no 0:17:40.520 --> 0:17:42.560 one knows apart from the President, and we will find 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.800 out whether it does it doesn't happen in the next 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.920 few days. But right now, seventeen minutes past nine in Canberra, Melbourne, 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:52.960 Sydney and Brisbane. Right now, it is seventeen minutes past 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:57.960 two in the afternoon in Israel. It is forty seven 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.919 or thirteen minutes away three o'clock in the afternoon in Iran, 0:18:02.200 --> 0:18:04.720 and it is eighteen minutes past seven o'clock in the 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:08.720 morning in Washington, d C. Now, just as I joked 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.359 and told you about last night that despite the apparent 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.760 urgency of the President having to get back from the 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:17.600 G seven, the reality was that it probably wasn't that urgent. 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.000 He just was done with mccron and the rest of them, 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:21.639 and certainly looked at the B team that he was 0:18:21.640 --> 0:18:25.160 about to meet, including Australia's Prime Minister, who remember wasn't 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.680 even allowed to eat with the big boy countries, so 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:30.840 he had no interest in visiting the kid's table. And 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:32.480 despite the fact that he was coming back to deal 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:34.679 with the beginnings of World War three, as I told you, 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:37.560 what he was actually doing in part of this was 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:40.560 putting two new flagpoles out the front and back of 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:43.120 the White House. They're cooled, they're big, They're a personal gift, 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:45.000 and I think they look nice in and around the 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.760 White House. But that's what in part he was doing, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.320 not exactly dealing with the beginnings of World War three 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.679 or the end of the nuclear program in Iran. And 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:58.440 as you've heard, he is not telling anyone what he's 0:18:58.440 --> 0:18:59.880 going to do right now, and he won't decide till 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:01.280 second before. 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:03.639 I may do it, I may not do it. 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:05.240 I mean, nobody knows what I'm going to do. I 0:19:05.240 --> 0:19:09.080 can tell you there's that Iran's got a lot of 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:13.160 trouble now. Apart from the will he and won't heat 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:17.480 and what the potential consequences are, there apparently might be 0:19:17.480 --> 0:19:19.800 some problems with whether this bomb is actually the right 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:23.000 bomb to do what is needed to be done, because, yes, 0:19:23.080 --> 0:19:26.399 the Iranian facility which is underneath that mountain, is it 0:19:26.440 --> 0:19:30.120 going to be too deep and not able to be penetrated. 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:32.560 But as you know, it's only American planes that can 0:19:32.560 --> 0:19:34.800 fly it there, and it is only the American bomb 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:37.560 that is able to drill its way as deep as 0:19:37.640 --> 0:19:40.840 those particular areas. But apparently, according to the economists today, 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:44.440 America's bunker busting bomb is not sure it's going to 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:47.000 work when it comes to Iran in terms of the 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.000 stakes about whether he should or shouldn't do it. And 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:52.000 everyone's got a view on that. A reporter who literally 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.639 almost died covering issues to do with the Middle East 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:58.080 was works for Fox News and was on Fox News 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.159 with Jesse Waters today explaining what the pros and the 0:20:01.200 --> 0:20:05.080 cons are, and they're always more complicated than it might seem. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:07.919 The pros you laid out earlier, Look, you get rid 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.440 of Iran's nuclear facility that the US is the only 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:14.040 country that can do that. That perhaps leads to a 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.919 change in regime. As you said, the country is falling apart, 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.080 people are striking, people can't afford to live. That could 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.199 change the whole Middle East. With President Trump's relationships with 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:26.720 Saudi Arabia and Israel, if the Iranian regime was to fall, 0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:29.920 you could change the region. You could pull them away 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.639 from China, pull them away from Russia. It could be 0:20:32.760 --> 0:20:35.960 a geopolitical shock. If that would have happened, it would 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:39.359 be a seismic change. On the other hand, there are 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.719 potential real negatives, and that is down to how Iran 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:47.520 will respond. Look, if Iran was to go after American embassies, 0:20:47.520 --> 0:20:54.200 American ships, American bases, and Americans were killed, it would 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:57.040 quickly lead to escalation. America would have to get involved 0:20:57.040 --> 0:20:59.880 further and further. If they shut the straits of Horn moves, 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.720 oil prices rise, If they use their countless terror proxies 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.800 around the world, we could see an outbreak. 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:08.960 Yeah, so it's not one and done. It's not drop 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:11.320 it and walk away. There are consequences where we'll all 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:13.560 find out together whether the President is going to go there. 0:21:14.040 --> 0:21:16.440 But we certainly know the internal maga fight about all 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.359 of this, about whether they see it as a one 0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:20.000 and done or whether they see it as opening the 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:22.399 door to going back into a forever war. Well we 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:24.800 all know about that. In the past few days, Donal 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:27.240 Trump was asked about all of this, and put simply, 0:21:27.400 --> 0:21:31.439