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Speaker 2: Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure if you know about this, Swifties, but

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Speaker 3: there is a new twenty four to seven station dedicated

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Speaker 3: to Taylor Swift. It's available now to stream via the

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Speaker 3: Nova website and the Nova Player app.

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Speaker 4: I've been on this NonStop because you ever find when

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Speaker 4: you put Taylor on yourself, you automatically gravitate towards the

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Speaker 4: songs you want. Yeah, on this, they're picking the playlist

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Speaker 4: for you. You're just enjoying someone else's curation. I love that, Miss.

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Speaker 5: Swift for me.

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Speaker 1: I can't decide anything else.

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Speaker 3: I know it's Christmas, There's too many things to think about.

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Speaker 3: It's a smaller sport of Taylor Swift and it's available now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the Educate Podcast.

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Speaker 2: We're back.

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Speaker 5: I'm Kate, Jess, Lizzie. We're all here in the studio.

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Speaker 2: Called in an emergency episode. Kate, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: I know I zoomed in this morning.

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Speaker 3: We couldn't not come in on our holidays because there's

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Speaker 3: some big news announced overnight. Taylor Swift has been announced

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Speaker 3: as Times Person of the Year.

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Speaker 2: As she should, as she should? Why has it taken

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Speaker 2: this long?

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Speaker 4: Couldn't tell Ollie in the office before said to me, Hey,

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Speaker 4: Jess Time Person of the that's quite a good all

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Speaker 4: the impression if you know him, what do you think

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Speaker 4: Taylor like?

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Speaker 2: Yay or nay?

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Speaker 4: And obviously he's asking me one of the biggest fifties

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Speaker 4: on the team, of course, it's a.

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Speaker 2: Yay from me.

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Speaker 4: Oh, but I said, can you think of anyone that's

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Speaker 4: had a.

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Speaker 2: Bigger year than her?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 2: He said, does it have to be.

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Speaker 4: Musicians or like actors or whatever? And I said no,

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Speaker 4: because Trump was Time Person of the Year.

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Speaker 1: And Vladimir the perpusition was nominated for this year as well.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Oh really up against Taylor.

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Speaker 2: It's like, who's had a big year?

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Speaker 4: And she has had a huge year in terms of numbers.

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Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure she's just ticked over to being a billionaire,

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Speaker 4: as everyone on Twitter is saying, the first ethical billionaire,

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Speaker 4: because she hasn't sort of stamped on people to get there,

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Speaker 4: the first one to get there because of their art,

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Speaker 4: that sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: So what's the feedback then, I mean, I know you're

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Speaker 3: going to say that it was an excellent choice by

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Speaker 3: Time magazine, but has there been anything floating around as

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Speaker 3: far as this is ridiculous?

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Speaker 5: People noted the fact that.

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Speaker 3: I've seen Yeah, Okay, she may be a pop star,

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Speaker 3: but she's a business woman icon and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. I don't think you can discredit the year

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Speaker 4: she's had because as I said in the Time article,

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Speaker 4: and I'll go through a few bits and pieces that

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Speaker 4: stood out to me, but if you speak to anyone

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Speaker 4: this year, how many conversations have you had where Taylor

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Speaker 4: Swift has come up? How many people have talked about

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Speaker 4: tickets even if you don't like her, how many times

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Speaker 4: have you been scrolling on TikTok and.

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Speaker 2: You've seen something regardless of whether you're a fan or not.

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Speaker 5: She is. She's very present.

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Speaker 4: She's the talk of probably the world at the moment,

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Speaker 4: which you know won't last forever, but very.

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Speaker 2: Good for her. Congratulations, Yeah, well done to Taylor.

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Speaker 4: And I did want to pull out a few little

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Speaker 4: article that went along with all the photos.

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Speaker 2: That came up as well.

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Speaker 4: She put it on Instagram and said, you know, she

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Speaker 4: doesn't actually really like doing press, but she really enjoyed

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Speaker 4: this interview.

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Speaker 2: And I think the photos you did did she love

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Speaker 2: And you're telling us the truth. Look at you she's

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Speaker 2: you know, I can set the Suiti's on me.

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Speaker 4: No, she did look great, and yet there were some

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Speaker 4: key moments in this article, and I think we've found

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Speaker 4: when that whole Kim Karanne thing kind of came out.

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Speaker 4: She does talk about that in the article, and what

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Speaker 4: she sort of said was her career was taken away

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Speaker 4: from her at that moment, which is true. She did

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Speaker 4: have a bit of a fall from grace, and she

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Speaker 4: the flagpole of public opinion about twenty times. People love her,

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Speaker 4: they don't like her, they love her, they don't like her,

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Speaker 4: that sort of thing. And when that happened, she just

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Speaker 4: this self protective shell where she hid for six years.

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Speaker 4: And I think you can tell in this article that

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Speaker 4: it kind of took a toll on her and she's

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Speaker 4: little bit more open than she was I know at

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Speaker 4: the time. Remember, like she turned thirty during that time, Lizzie,

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Speaker 4: the only kind of article we saw was that thirty

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Speaker 4: Things I've Learned turning thirty in Hell, which she wrote herself.

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Speaker 4: She wouldn't really sit down for long think pieces.

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Speaker 3: Was that because she doubted herself or she was so

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Speaker 3: worried about what everybody was thinking of her? Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: think it was probably what the writer could do with

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Speaker 3: the information she gave them. That at the end of

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Speaker 3: the day, when you sit down and do you'd probably

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Speaker 3: not this k from doing interviews with people. They can

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Speaker 3: take whatever spin they want on her. So she just

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Speaker 3: wanted her words to come from her music at the time.

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Speaker 3: And well, that's very clever, because I do think that

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Speaker 3: anyone you talk to or some journalists, especially with someone

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Speaker 3: of the caliber of Taylor Swift, I think some journalists

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Speaker 3: will sit down with you and the article's already written

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Speaker 3: in their head.

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Speaker 5: It's all.

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Speaker 3: They know exactly what they want to say. They even

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Speaker 3: probably know the headlines, so they're going to kind of

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Speaker 3: things that they just have to insert into an already

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Speaker 2: How is a listing?

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Speaker 3: I guess the safest way for her is I'm just

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Speaker 3: going to concentrate on the music, because then I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: giving everyone far less fodder.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I liked this quote from her. This was talking

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Speaker 4: about in the past. This is all about her touring. Now.

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Speaker 4: Obviously she's had the biggest tour they reckon it's going tour.

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Speaker 2: It has tipped over a.

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Speaker 4: Billion dollars this tour, so it's the biggest tour of

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Speaker 4: all time. It's up there with you know, the Michael

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Speaker 4: she used to tour like a frat guy, but for

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Speaker 4: this tour, she knew that people had spent so much

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Speaker 4: every day I would run on the treadmill, singing the

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Speaker 2: Songs, a jog or a walk for slow songs.

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Speaker 4: And her gym, the dog Pound Gym in New York,

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Speaker 4: created a program for her and she had three months

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Speaker 4: of dance training. So she was like, I'm not showing

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Speaker 2: So I'm putting on a show.

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Speaker 1: I was wondering about that because I saw a TikTok

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Speaker 1: but he said he was like, for her to be

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Speaker 1: doing a three hour show with pretty much no breaks,

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Speaker 1: she's singing the whole time, she's dancing the whole time,

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Speaker 5: And she's changing costume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was like, she would have to be on

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Speaker 2: And that's what she says in the article as well.

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Speaker 4: So she said she did the three months of dance

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Speaker 4: whole time, how do I get back in step? That

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Speaker 4: it was just she just fully knew what she was doing.

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Speaker 4: And then the other thing I thought was quite interesting

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Speaker 4: because we never get insight about the off times from

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Speaker 2: We just see the tour.

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Speaker 4: She said, she's only I think got ever got three

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Speaker 4: gets up to get food, and every time she walks,

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Speaker 4: because she's been dancing in heels so very much. Is

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Speaker 4: she's touring, she has that one recovery day and then

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Speaker 4: because she's like, I couldn't show up and do that

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Speaker 1: That would be that Why when she had her last

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Speaker 4: Walked about, which I love she'd been waiting.

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Speaker 3: I like that she's saying these things because, let's be honest,

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Speaker 3: what it feels like Taylor is kind of saying, for

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Speaker 3: one of a better phrase, she's not taking the piss here.

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Speaker 3: She is training like an athlete, and she's going to

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Speaker 3: because she knows people are spending their hard earned cash

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Speaker 3: and it means something more than a ticket to.

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Speaker 5: Them, exactly.

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Speaker 4: And can I throw a team member under the bus here?

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Speaker 4: Neither of you, ladies, who has said multiple.

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Speaker 2: Times, doesn't surprise me. Three hours? That's far too long.

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Speaker 2: Who's going to sit through a three hour concept? That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: And I was like, Fits, you're not the right target

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Speaker 4: audience to be there, Like this is a once in

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Speaker 4: a lifetime opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Make it go for six hours.

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Speaker 4: No one will leave and no one will take a

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Speaker 4: bathroom break, and just don't get it.

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Speaker 2: You don't want it.

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Speaker 1: You don't get He should be the target audience. He

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Speaker 1: should go with his sons, and he should be.

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Speaker 2: Like, look at look at this exact love.

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Speaker 1: What a woman.

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Speaker 4: But he's saying that I don't want people sitting there

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Speaker 4: that are wasting a ticket space, or you don't want

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Speaker 4: to be sitting behind FITSI because he's.

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Speaker 3: Too although he probably wouldn't get up and dance, No,

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Speaker 3: he wouldn't, So that's say that's true.

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Speaker 4: Actually, But there were some other interesting bits in this

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Speaker 4: The Time article, and I do encourage everyone to go

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Speaker 4: the pics and see the pics. It's very insightful as well.

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Speaker 4: She talks all about leaving the record label what that

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Speaker 4: to her, even though it went to.

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Speaker 2: Number one within like twenty four hours or whatever.

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Speaker 2: We're showing up for each other. Other people are there

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Speaker 2: The noise for me was a bit much.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, you're excited.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, guys like times, he's been working so hard.

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Speaker 4: There's no holidays when you're a la I love the.

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Speaker 1: You helped us look back on that because we thought

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Speaker 2: That's why we love her.

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Speaker 2: She's always got surprise. That's little, these streaks everywhere.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, congratulations with Taylor. I know she's a huge

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Speaker 2: Time Person of the Year. Read that article if you haven't.

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Speaker 4: It does give a long you know, look into a

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Speaker 4: very interesting in terms of that Timeline ladies, very interesting.

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