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Speaker 1: Hello super Coaches, and welcome to our first podcast of

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I hope you had a great Christmas

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Speaker 1: and New Year break. I know one man who has,

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Speaker 1: and it is Dave Campbell, second place finisher.

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Speaker 2: Judging by that.

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Speaker 1: Facial hair, you had a great little break over the

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Speaker 1: Christmas period.

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Speaker 3: I was on holidays. I lost the razor.

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Speaker 4: I haven't shaved it. The wife like said, it makes

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Speaker 4: me look older than her for once. She's I'm not

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Speaker 4: allowed to remove it just yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, happy wife, happy life, that's for sure. We're adding

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Speaker 1: cheapies today. Obviously it's the biggest decision to make in

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Speaker 1: your Super Coach team. If you're new to super Coach,

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Speaker 1: the cheapies are the guy that make the guys that

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Speaker 1: make your money. You're going to need ten, maybe twelve,

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Speaker 1: maybe even more in your starting team. So we're going

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Speaker 1: to run through the most popular cheapies this year.

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Speaker 2: Number one on.

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Speaker 1: The list is Isaiah Yongi from the Eels. So he

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Speaker 1: played at the Panthers for one game last year. It

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Speaker 1: was stuck behind On Edwards and probably a bunch of

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Speaker 1: other guys. Looks like the sort of guy that I

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Speaker 1: like having at fullback for Super coach. Given that he's

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Speaker 1: got a high work rate. He made nineteen runs in

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Speaker 1: that one game that he played for the Panthers last year,

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Speaker 1: five tackle bus per game in New South Wales. Cap

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Speaker 1: looks like the kind of guy that will be great

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Speaker 1: for super Coach. The issue though, is it's going to

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Speaker 1: be hard to fit him in at fullback only given

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Speaker 1: that he's only got that one position for super Coach

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Speaker 1: and we want two guns there. But with the flex position,

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Speaker 1: I think he's the perfect flex guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, Gutho's gone, so the spot's

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Speaker 4: open and yeah, the flex position it opens up a

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Speaker 4: lot of possibilities. You know, you can still run two

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Speaker 4: gun fullbacks and have a cheapie there, which is gold.

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Speaker 4: We've really been, I mean we say it all the

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Speaker 4: time last several years, we've really been spoilt for choice

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Speaker 4: in that position. With such high quality players that can

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Speaker 4: pump out massive scores. It's always, you know, hard to

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Speaker 4: leave guys out. You need the cheapies to make the

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Speaker 4: money to build your team, but you really don't want

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Speaker 4: to miss out on those points. Having that flex position

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Speaker 4: means maybe you can have your cake and eat it too.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you may be wondering why we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Super Coach when the game hasn't even launched yet.

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Speaker 2: The launch is.

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Speaker 1: Coming pretty soon around Australia Day. But for subscribers, you

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Speaker 1: can get in there with the team picker. If you've

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Speaker 1: got a Super Coach Plus subscription, get in there, pick

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Speaker 1: your team, see all the prices, all the positions, etc.

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Speaker 1: So I'll suggest you dive in now. The next guy

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Speaker 1: on the list is Sandon Smith, who I like, is

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Speaker 1: in my team. They've got Luke Keary and who has

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Speaker 1: left the club, and Walker who's got that ACL injury.

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Speaker 1: So he'll start in the halves. Averaged fifty five when

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Speaker 1: he started in the halves last year, but he played

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Speaker 1: ten games off the bench, so he starts really cheap.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's bottom dollar, you know, two thirty seven K.

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Speaker 4: So I've got him in my team at the moment

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Speaker 4: as well. Obviously there's some lead issues hanging over him

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Speaker 4: at the moment, but you know, hopefully that stuff sorted

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Speaker 4: out before we get to the start of the season

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Speaker 4: and he be confirmed.

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Speaker 3: Trial matches will.

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Speaker 4: Tell, obviously, but he's a really really good option and

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Speaker 4: a lot of other people at the moment obviously think

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Speaker 4: so as well being in almost fifty seven percent of teams.

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Speaker 1: Peter Marmozellos looks like the top guy in the hooker position.

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Speaker 1: Damien Cooks left the club. He's captain of the Dragons

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Speaker 1: this year, which means Marmozellos probably becomes the number one hooker.

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Speaker 1: Averaged only thirty minutes last year, so you'd expect that improves.

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Speaker 1: I can't see him going down at all. I don't

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Speaker 1: absolutely love him as a purchase, but you're probably going

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Speaker 1: to need a cheapie or at least a value guy

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Speaker 1: although there are some other things that we should look at,

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Speaker 1: like what's going to happen with the Eels hooking situation,

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Speaker 1: for example, But for now, I think Marmozello's is the guy.

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Speaker 4: He's not a bad option, and if you are looking

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Speaker 4: to have someone there, you know partnering with the gun.

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Speaker 4: Last year, I went two guns to start the season

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Speaker 1: Robert Toya is an interesting one. I'm going to groove

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Speaker 1: him together with Billy Smith because essentially they're gunning for

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Speaker 1: those same spots there at the Roosters who have lost

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Speaker 1: surely Joey Marnhu and Michael Jennings who played quite a

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Speaker 1: bit of honer role last year. Robert Toyer is at forty.

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Speaker 1: It's essentially in half of super coach teams right now.

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Speaker 1: He's essentially bottom dollar. He his injury prone. Basically his

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Speaker 1: last couple of seasons have been ruled by injury. And

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Speaker 1: it's the same for Billy Smith as well, who looks

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Speaker 1: like a seriously talented player but just can't get through

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Speaker 1: these injuries. If you see them named for Round one,

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Speaker 1: I think both of them have to be in contention.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully they can get through the preseason.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, obviously the movement there at the Roosters,

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Speaker 4: there's so many positions up for grabs. It'd be great

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Speaker 4: if if Toya could grab one of those, because, like

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Speaker 4: you said, less than two hundred K, he'd just be

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Speaker 4: primed to make a stack of cash. We saw how

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Speaker 4: well the Roosters back line scored last year. If they

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Speaker 4: can pick up where they left off, I know, you know,

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Speaker 4: Sam Walker's out and that'll have implications for how their

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Speaker 4: even get a fraction of the tries that they were

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Speaker 4: pumping out last year, big cash.

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Speaker 2: To be made. Yeah, big time.

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Speaker 1: And just for reference, I am going through the most

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Speaker 1: popular cheaps in Super Coach. You can see the full

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Speaker 1: list of most popular players, which we just got them

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Speaker 1: in order of the most popular or least popular, or

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Speaker 1: it's the top the top ten or fifteen or so.

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Speaker 1: Sure start, He's always contra virtual player, and it happens

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Speaker 1: in any sport, but someone who is a really talented

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Speaker 1: always the one that is sort of hated by fans

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Speaker 1: the most. But it doesn't matter for super Coach. He's like,

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Speaker 1: talent wise, is right up there with the best. He's

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Speaker 1: got the new coach in Wayne Bennett. I'm shocked to

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Speaker 1: see him so far down this list at what thirty

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Speaker 1: nine percent. Still a lot of people have got him.

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Speaker 4: Josh just so, he's just a mystery wrapped in an

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Speaker 4: enigma wrapped down like he's just that guy who's always

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Speaker 4: promised so much. Like you said, but you know, rabbit

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Speaker 4: Oz Wayne Bennett, if anyone can unlock him, you know,

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Speaker 4: you wouldn't put it past Wayne, so and you know,

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Speaker 4: all of we've seen what he can do, and he's

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Speaker 4: priced at two hundred and sixty five thousand. If Wayne

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you just have to take the punt

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Speaker 1: on him him. The upside is just too big. And look,

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Speaker 1: he probably plays from the bench from round one, doesn't

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Speaker 1: of him looking really fit during the off season. Certain

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Speaker 1: Little Trail is looking extremely fit. So one of the

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Speaker 1: guys who I'm going for a whole bunch of players

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Speaker 1: I'm just keen to see under Wayne Bennett again, who

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Speaker 1: just unformed last year under Dimitri I'm sure.

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Speaker 4: They're all training the house down, Yeah, exactly how many?

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Speaker 4: How many training the house downs have we had so far?

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Speaker 1: I think that people try to avoid that turn now,

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Speaker 2: There's been a lot in a different way.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, speaking of training the house down, Royce Hunt.

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Speaker 1: I've got no idea if he's the house down or not.

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Speaker 1: But he's gone from the Sharkis to the Tigers, so

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Speaker 1: realistically he should see an increase in minutes. But looking

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Speaker 1: at him over his career, he's also only ever been

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Speaker 1: used as a bench impact guy who's never played more

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Speaker 1: than twenty nine minutes per game in a season. They've

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Speaker 1: got teroror May who they've brought in at the Tigers

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Speaker 1: They have lost Bateman and Papaliti, but they were well.

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Speaker 1: Certainly Papaliti was more of an edge player. I don't

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm not confident on it either. All the

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Speaker 4: reasons you mentioned, and you know, the Tigers just they

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Speaker 4: keep underperforming and because of that, the clean outs keep happening.

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Speaker 4: There's so much recruitment. You just it's such a fluid

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Speaker 4: going to come in, what minutes they'll get. Hunt's always

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Speaker 4: really want to see how Benji Marshall is going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll just see that Terroll May is going to

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Speaker 1: play some pretty big game time there. So look, and

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Speaker 1: I don't and I think, yeah, he's always been used

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Speaker 1: Having said that, the cheapies at front row are not

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Speaker 1: very good, so no matter who we pick in that slot,

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Speaker 1: if we even have to, you're probably not going to

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Speaker 1: be happy with that selection. Onto Jesse McClain. This one's

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Speaker 1: interesting because he and his brother are essentially going for

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Speaker 1: the same spot there the Panthers. They've lost Taruva. Jesse

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Speaker 1: is the cheapest one because he was injured last year.

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Speaker 1: He seemed to be ahead of his brother before that,

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Speaker 1: and then Casey came in last season absolutely killed it,

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Speaker 1: did incredibly well and now he could be in front

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Speaker 1: for that position, but he's a lot more expensive for

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Speaker 1: super Coach, So we want Jesse to score that spot,

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Speaker 1: not Casey.

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Speaker 2: And they're easy to get confused.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, look, we've all seen what the Panthers

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Speaker 4: have done over the last four years. They just keep performing,

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Speaker 4: They keep pumping out amazing players who just deliver. You know,

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Speaker 4: you're definitely at that price for Jesse, you think two

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Speaker 4: hundred and thirty four thousand, you definitely have a look

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Speaker 4: if you can land that spot because you know that

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Speaker 4: you know there's going to be tries esther Panthers. You

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Speaker 4: know it's a lock in if you can get it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the best spots to be in Rugbillygue

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Speaker 1: on the wing for the Panthers, that's for sure. On

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Speaker 1: to Jackson Purdue, So another spot that's definitely open. They've

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Speaker 1: lost some guys there at the Cowboys, including Kole Felt

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Speaker 1: and Valentine Holmes. Perdue is sort of in the running,

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Speaker 1: but he's kind of running for a half spot as well.

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Speaker 1: He's very popular for super Coach right now. The other

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Speaker 1: guy who is popular is Robert Darby. Either way, super

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Speaker 1: coaches know that there is probably potentially going to be

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Speaker 1: a cheapy pop up in this position at the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: for super Coach this season.

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Speaker 2: It's just a matter of who it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: People are backing Pergue at the moment, but we'll just

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Speaker 4: it really is one for team lists, isn't it?

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Speaker 3: Like you just whoever gets there.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of competition in the Cowboys for those roles,

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Speaker 1: Carter Gordon is an interesting one because he's a formal Wallaby.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to go there.

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Speaker 2: He's got that buy in round one.

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Speaker 1: He's by far the most popular player in Super Coach,

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Speaker 4: And so Tino's obviously been an amazing super Coach player

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Speaker 3: You've got the buy out of the way.

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Speaker 4: He's then had three matches, you've seen how he's performed.

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Speaker 1: I tend to agree absolutely, and he is in seventy

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Speaker 1: is in so many, so many sides, but you couldn't

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Speaker 1: Cheapy of the Year. I always love this segment. I

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Speaker 1: want to pick the brain of the second place super

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Speaker 2: Who are you thinking?

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Speaker 3: It's borderline cheapy?

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Speaker 4: But a lot of there's a lot of people looking

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Speaker 3: I quite like him.

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Speaker 4: You know, he's you know, he's three hundred and fifty

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Speaker 4: five thousand. He played not much last year, I think

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Speaker 4: Want to see how all that plays out in the trials.

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Speaker 4: But if he's fit, healthy in the team and he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's definitely got the talent to pull that off.

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Speaker 1: I'm going with a real rookie in Jacob Allngar who

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Speaker 1: him in preseason training. I don't think he'll play around

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Speaker 2: Onto let's go questions.

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Speaker 1: So obviously we're not live today, but we've got heaps

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Speaker 1: of questions coming through on Twitter. P Z is asking,

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Speaker 1: and I'm assuming this is Paul Science the Fantasy Boss,

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Speaker 1: as as he calls himself in coach he is. He

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Speaker 1: literally is our boss. He runs fantasy. But he called

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Speaker 1: his super coach name is the super coach Boss.

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Speaker 2: He's not. He's not into himself at all.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Lomax plays center or wing? And that

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Speaker 1: super Coach. We won him on the wing. I think

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Speaker 1: he will play wing. I don't see why they would

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Speaker 1: Moses at that club too. Hasn't been decided yet, but

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Speaker 4: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Speaker 1: Who are the biggest traps of twenty twenty five and

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Speaker 1: why is it Luai? I tend to agree that Lui

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Speaker 1: the Tigers is definitely a trap. He's really popular. I

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Speaker 1: don't quite see that one. Tino is another one that

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Speaker 1: you were both brought up recently. He shouldn't be at

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Speaker 1: I just don't get Royce Hunt because he's never been

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Speaker 4: to see that every year there's one guy that you

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Speaker 4: I was stuck with them, and then they're an auto

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Speaker 4: emergency nightmare. Can't use the captain sillloopole. It's a whole thing.

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Speaker 1: So pretty much we've just poo pooed the three most

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Speaker 2: Coach next year.

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Speaker 1: Prop is tough, particularly in the cheapists because they are

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Speaker 1: slow burns, as you say. And Tino, this question marks

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Speaker 1: And he loved this from Antoine Poster, who is a

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Speaker 1: Mad Warriors fan. Any love for Aaron Clark in light

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Speaker 1: of the Toho Harris retirement. Definitely, I'm not sure. I

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Speaker 1: don't have any male from Warriors, but someone like Dylan

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Speaker 1: Mark Lawless is asking he's running two cheap hookers too

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Speaker 1: I don't even like the one cheap hooker that I've

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Speaker 1: I'll have to go with I'd say one gun hooker

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Speaker 3: Yeah, two cheapy hookers would make me really nervous.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

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Speaker 3: It'd keep me awake at Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well that is it for our cheap episode. Big thanks

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Speaker 1: to Dave Campbell. The game is launching soon around Australiat eight,

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Speaker 1: So it's coming.

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Speaker 2: It's coming.

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Speaker 1: If you want to pick a team, you can get

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Speaker 1: a super Coach Plus subscription twenty nine to ninety five

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Speaker 1: for the season. Get in there now, pick your side,

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Speaker 1: see the prices, see the positions.

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Speaker 2: We'll catch you next time.