1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Kristanamio. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 1: It's Tuesday, December twenty three, twenty twenty five. Homemade pipe bombs, 3 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: firearms training and a reconnaissance mission. New details of last 4 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: Sunday's Bondai Beach terror attack have come to light after 5 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: court documents in the police case against alleged gunman Navid 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: Akram were made public. A twenty two page document details 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: the alleged actions of Akram and his fifty year old father, Sajid, 8 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: in the weeks and months before they allegedly opened fire 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 1: on a Hanaker event. Sajid Akram was shot dead by 10 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,879 Speaker 1: police at the scene, while his son was critically injured. 11 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:51,160 Speaker 1: Navid Akram was transferred from Sydney's Royal north Shore Hospital 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: to a maximum security prison on Monday after waking from 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,279 Speaker 1: a coma last week. He's been charged with fifty nine 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: offenses relating to the attack, including fifteen counts of murder, 15 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:06,839 Speaker 1: forty counts of wounding with intent to murder, and one 16 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: count of committing a terrorist offense. He's not yet been 17 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: required to enter a plea, and he's expected to defend 18 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: the charges if and when the matter comes to trial today. 19 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 1: Inside the alleged plan to slaughter Jews as they celebrated 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:33,320 Speaker 1: the Festival of Light Country New South Wales in late October, 21 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: a lush green field surrounded by gum trees is bathed 22 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: in spring sunlight, and there in the center, a man 23 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: clad in all black hoists a firearm onto his shoulder. 24 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: His head is cocked slightly to the right as he 25 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: peers down the barrel at his target out of frame. 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: Police alleged the man is fifty year old Sagird Akram 27 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: in training for an anti Semitic mass massacre. Another picture 28 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: allegedly shows Sajid's twenty four year old son, Navid, moving 29 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: across the green grass in what police call a tactical manner, 30 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: a firearm also in his hands. The vision steals from 31 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: a video, forms part of a twenty two page police 32 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: statement of facts in the case against Navid Akram, which 33 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: was released to the media on Monday. So let's talk 34 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: about some of the details that have emerged now. Police 35 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: alleged they found homemade pipe bombs in the vehicle allegedly 36 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 1: driven by Sajid and Navid Akram two Bondi Beach last Sunday. 37 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. 38 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: So police discovered these homemade bombs. One was a tennis 39 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: ball bomb, one was an ied. 40 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Juanna Panagopolis is a reporter with The Australian. 41 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: And a new piece of evidence that has emerged as 42 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: part of these alleged facts is that actually a number 43 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: of the bombs were thrown into the crowd of Jewish 44 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: people at Bondi Beach and thank goodness they didn't go off. 45 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the footage that was included 46 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: in the police statement of fact. We've seen some stills 47 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:31,359 Speaker 1: from that allegedly shows Sejered and Navid Akram undergoing firearms training. 48 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: Tell me a bit about some of the other video 49 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: that was allegedly found on Navid's phone of them expressing 50 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: their political and religious beliefs. 51 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 2: M a video in we haven't been given an exact date, 52 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: but we're told in October sometime, and given that the 53 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 2: video of them training which we have stills from is 54 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: from late October, so around that time. There is a 55 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: particular video where we're told they are sitting in front 56 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 2: of a wood handled wall. They've got an image of 57 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 2: the IS flag that sort of plastered up behind them. 58 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: They're sitting side by side, they've got four rifles next 59 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 2: to them, and they're giving their statement of what they 60 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 2: plan to do at Bondai, what they see as their motivation. 61 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: So we're not told much about exactly what they say 62 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 2: in this video and we haven't seen it, but the 63 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: police fact state that they want to condemn the acts 64 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: of Zionis. That's what they say is their motivation. 65 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Over the last week, the New South Wales Police and 66 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: the Australian Federal Police have come out very strongly and 67 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: said they believe that Sajid and Navid Akram were allegedly 68 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: motivated by what they called an extremist Islamic ideology that 69 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: does seem to align with what you've been told is 70 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: in this video and what appears in the police fact 71 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,040 Speaker 1: sheet that was released on Monday. 72 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, very much so. There are a number of statements 73 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: in the fact sheet that say this is religiously motivated 74 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: and based on an Isis ideology. And also when police 75 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 2: were searching their car after this had all unfolded last Sunday, 76 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: the police fact state they found two Isis flags which 77 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,359 Speaker 2: were hand painted, so it's like a black flag with 78 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: white sort of paint. Drawn in the shape of an 79 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: Isis symbol. 80 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: The footage that appears in the police fact sheet isn't 81 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: just a footage that was allegedly discovered on Navid Akrem's phone. 82 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: There is also CCTV footage. Where was that taken from 83 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: and what does it appear to show. 84 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: We have the CCTV footage from when they're leaving this 85 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: airbnb that they rented over a period from December twod 86 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: to December twenty one, and it shows them leaving on 87 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 2: December fourteenth, the morning of the attack. I think it's 88 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 2: something like two am, and Navid is carrying this bundle 89 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 2: of sort of sheets and blankets in the shape of guns. 90 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 2: It would appear they're put in the boot of the car, 91 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:11,960 Speaker 2: and throughout that day we get a sense of where 92 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: they travel to. We meet them again in the pictures 93 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: at about six pm they pull over on the side 94 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: of the road in Wullara on their way to the attack, 95 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: which we know now happens at six point forty seven, 96 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 2: and they pull over. It doesn't say it in the 97 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: police facts but from our research we know that's almost 98 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: directly across the road from a synagogue in Sydney. Sajid 99 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: goes to the back of the car, opens the boot 100 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: and you can see the ISIS flag that's hanging there, 101 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: which he would later put in the front and the 102 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 2: back windows of the car. We also have them in 103 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: a reconnaissance mission. I guess that the police have alleged 104 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: two days before this all unfolded on December twelfth in 105 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 2: the evening and they just pull in to the car 106 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: park at Bondeibis and they park there. They walk up 107 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 2: to the footbridge where we now know that this all unfolded, 108 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: They sort of look over. As we know two days 109 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: later they would come back and Australia would be different. 110 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: Coming up, what the police say about the Akrams international travel. 111 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: You mentioned that Sajid and Navid Akram allegedly hired an 112 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: Airbnb property in Campsy, which is in Western City, not 113 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: too far from Bonnie Rig where their family home is. 114 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: They were in and out of that property, as you said, 115 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: over a period of weeks from the start of December, 116 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: but they had police allege a cover story for where 117 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: they were in the week leading up to the massacre. 118 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: What did Serjed's wife and David's mother tell police. 119 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 2: So when she was interviewed by police, she told them 120 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 2: that she believed they were on a holiday in southern 121 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: New South Wales. The police fact sheet doesn't say exactly 122 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: where they were, but she says to police that she 123 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: was called by her son Nevid every morning at about 124 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 2: ten thirty am and he would tell her what the 125 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 2: plan was for that day. 126 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: Police and intelligence agencies have said in the lead up 127 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 1: to the release of these court documents that Serjed and 128 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: David Akram traveled to the Philippines not too long before 129 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,959 Speaker 1: the massacre occurred. ISIS is known to be active in 130 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: that region. Does the police fact sheet released on Monday 131 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: say anything about that travel. 132 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't say anything about the Philippines, And I'm 133 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 2: sure a lot more will have to be added to 134 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 2: the evidence into this fact sheet in due course. But 135 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 2: basically we leave them in the fact sheet in late October, 136 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: they hire the Airbnb and then we don't meet them 137 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:09,440 Speaker 2: again until I think it's December twelfth, when they're on 138 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: that reconnaissance mission. So there is that massive window where 139 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 2: we now know that they were in the Philippines for 140 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: a month in this area known for ISIS activity, and 141 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: I'm sure a lot more of that will have to 142 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 2: come out in police evidence in due course. 143 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: Joanna Panagopolis is a reporter with The Australian. You can 144 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: read the latest on this developing story right now at 145 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: The Australian dot com dot au