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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: What you walked in there and you're going to your

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Speaker 2: yourself for the first time. What was that feeling going

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Speaker 2: for your head that like was was there anyone looking

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Speaker 2: looking at the ground, man, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was typical. You know what you say on TV

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Speaker 3: jail stories. I'll look at the ground, I won't won't

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Speaker 3: bump heads just anyway. And then I started like I

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Speaker 3: started opening up as the days were going on, and

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Speaker 3: the boys will come around giving food. There's actually some

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Speaker 3: good lads generally, like the sweepers that goes through and

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Speaker 3: give give your food out there.

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Speaker 1: They're pretty good. They'll stop a little bit of a chat.

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Speaker 3: They'll bring you a phone that comes on like a

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Speaker 3: wheel thing, but your money is just still not on

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Speaker 3: your phone for two weeks, so there's no fucking point

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Speaker 3: of giving me your phone, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So then you've got like a phone there, and if

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Speaker 3: you can't get onto the phone, you fucked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean? Did anyone try and

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Speaker 2: put the heavy on you. I've got a fight in

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Speaker 2: there with these two I s felts. That's like a

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Speaker 2: prison gang in there. Come in to stand over me

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Speaker 2: for my food?

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Speaker 1: How long? How long ago was that, like when you

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Speaker 1: got to.

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Speaker 3: Know I was in there? So I did the week

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Speaker 3: by myself. And then when I went to the pod

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Speaker 3: where there's seventy bikes, I'll explained that. So when we

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Speaker 3: went down from six D to six C two, I

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Speaker 3: was cruising down there and there's four of us, and

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Speaker 3: there's just seventy blokes like full heartened prisoners or like

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Speaker 3: they're off their guts and they're steering at you, and

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Speaker 3: they leave you there for about twenty minutes of Screen's

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Speaker 3: a just to fuck with you a bit mentally, so

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Speaker 3: you know with what you're about to walk into.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I was fucking I was shipping.

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Speaker 3: Myself, like to be honestly, I was you by yourself

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Speaker 3: at the time, or you were theos four blokes, But

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Speaker 3: I didn't know these bukes from a bar, so two

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Speaker 3: of them were from different backgrounds. Yeah, and they couldn't

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Speaker 3: even know what they've done. And then I had some

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Speaker 3: scattered guy next mell was going off his head.

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Speaker 1: Did you have tats on you at the time when

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Speaker 1: you went in? Yeah? Covered in tats I got.

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Speaker 3: I went into a Muslim winger and I've got Christian

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Speaker 3: duddies all over me. So wow, that wasn't good. That

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Speaker 3: was a bit of a That was a bit of

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Speaker 3: a butting heads there. I just kept myself stayed in

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Speaker 3: my pod, you know what I mean, for a bit.

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Speaker 3: Then they come in. They started preaching across and you know,

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Speaker 3: talking to me, and they was sweet bokes by the

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Speaker 3: end of it, you know what I mean. There's three lives.

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Speaker 3: We're all here doing our time together. But back to

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Speaker 3: that fight. When I come to buy up day, they

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Speaker 3: this was. I was in the pod with the seventy

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Speaker 3: bikes for about It takes three three four days and

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Speaker 3: you get buy up every Thursday.

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Speaker 1: So it's where you can you can get food, access

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Speaker 1: to whatever you want.

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Speaker 3: Really, you get one hundred and twenty bucks on your

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Speaker 3: dioda and things like that. They watched me grab my

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Speaker 3: buy up. I was walking back to myself with it,

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Speaker 3: and then they walked through. They were getting all the

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Speaker 3: young Aussie bokes like these Islander fels. They got like

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Speaker 3: four of the young Aussi bikesau Ausies in jail don't

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Speaker 3: stick together.

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Speaker 1: Every other background stick together.

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Speaker 3: But I was yeah, they're like fuck you mate, like

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Speaker 3: good luck, you know what I mean, well done.

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Speaker 1: You got yourself in that line and they're just standing

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Speaker 1: all the Aussies.

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Speaker 3: And then come to myself and I go, you're not

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Speaker 3: proper shifts, but it was out of because you get raisors.

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Speaker 1: They give raisors and had that on the raizors.

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Speaker 3: And I was wrapped into like a two splash, which

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Speaker 3: about this big yeah, but it was the races on

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Speaker 3: the end of it goes you give me everything, you

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Speaker 3: got it, and I just forced the white straight away

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Speaker 3: like buckled back like this, and then straightaway squad comes

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Speaker 3: flying in. His mate jumped me from the side like

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Speaker 3: they got me, you know what I mean, they got

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Speaker 3: me pretty good. Yeah, I still my ground own, my

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Speaker 3: food didn't get taken. So I got locked in for

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Speaker 3: two days because of that. So you get locked away

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Speaker 3: for two days where you're.

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Speaker 2: Like It's like they just closed yourself off and you

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Speaker 2: can still see the boys, so there's no repercussions after it.

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Speaker 3: After that, that was sweeter. You've got their respect after that.

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Speaker 3: After that, they're like, fuck, you're standing your ground. They

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Speaker 3: just left me alone. You just trained every day after that,

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Speaker 3: just kept myself trained, met a couple of New Zealand

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Speaker 3: Kiwi feathers and started training with them, the old legends,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. They looked after me pretty

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Speaker 3: much for a good three four three four weeks and

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Speaker 3: then they were getting shipped out to bath there. You

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Speaker 3: see so many bikes, the amount of boys that go

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Speaker 3: saying blokes and bokes and bokes coming through, and you

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Speaker 3: just you just look at it and just wasted life,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: What was your first nightel to Like you're just constantly

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Speaker 2: thinking what your missus and your kids was doing.

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Speaker 1: Is that just gone for your head? What you're missing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't, I didn't sleep. I was Who's going

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Speaker 3: to pay the bills? Like everything? I was like, I

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Speaker 3: got five bys that worked for me, Who's going to

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Speaker 3: pay for them, you know what I mean, that's five

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Speaker 3: families that aren't going to eat because of my fuck

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Speaker 1: So all that was run through my head.

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Speaker 3: I did think about, you know, mental harmy, and then

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Speaker 3: I was like, no way, I've got a kid, Like

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Speaker 3: I'm not a weak individual.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to do that because I need to

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Speaker 1: be there for my kid.

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Speaker 3: You know, I need to set an example and obviously

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Speaker 3: like try and guide people not to do this situation.

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Speaker 1: That's one month with I felt like four years. The

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Speaker 1: last day felt like four years. The last day.

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Speaker 3: I was there, the last day they let you, so

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Speaker 3: I had caught finally on the last day because we

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Speaker 3: like proceedings to like go through. My old boy just

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Speaker 3: got the barisol that it cost me a shit ton

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Speaker 3: of money. But we just gone back and forward, back

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Speaker 3: and forth to get out and then we finally got out.

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Speaker 3: They let you out at nine am. You leave there

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Speaker 3: you're allowed to go. You think, oh, beauty can come

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Speaker 3: shift change over and then they go. So that felt

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Speaker 3: like about four years.

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Speaker 1: What does what does your missus think now about all

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Speaker 2: Like is she what even kid that Like I know

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Speaker 2: it's only young, but like does she feel traumatized by

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Speaker 3: From going in there? She's definitely traumatized. She's a normal girl,

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Speaker 3: like a she comes from up at Early Beach, you

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Speaker 3: she's not from Western Sydney where you see drugs, alcohol

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Speaker 3: and things like that. Like, no, she's the things she's saying,

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Speaker 3: she's like these treat you're like you know, you're you know, it's.

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Speaker 1: A good treated. Well when she came in to see

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Speaker 3: Like gumbags and some of them are creepy, yeah, some

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Speaker 3: of them proper. Yeah, well they fuck with you like

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Speaker 3: they moved. A couple of boys got taken, like because

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Speaker 3: that's where the contramand comes in through my visits and

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Speaker 3: so then they just treat everyone like you're bringing things

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Speaker 3: like and you're not meant to do that, like they're

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Speaker 3: not allowed to do that. They're meant to go for

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Speaker 3: a skinning machine because they thought she had tremen, but

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Speaker 3: it was the lady behind had Contramand so that's what

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Speaker 3: the drug dogs are. That'sat between them both. Oh okay,

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Speaker 3: and that's what we'll bring in.

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Speaker 2: What's the worst thing you've seen in there? I seen

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Speaker 2: a guy get stabbed with a broom with a broom

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Speaker 2: curry fella.

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Speaker 3: Snapped snapped the broom like this. He robbed one of

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Speaker 3: the boys. Were so in there, like they hustle. Obviously

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Speaker 3: they have things and they make money off things, and

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Speaker 3: things come in and out. One of the Kury fellows

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Speaker 3: robbed one of the other fellows when we're all down

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Speaker 3: field and one of the pretty heavier boats. And then

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Speaker 3: he was hustling away anyway, you got robbed, come back

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Speaker 3: and he goes, all right, we're going to check on

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Speaker 3: the cameras, like the hit the screws up to hit

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Speaker 1: Who went in myself?

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Speaker 3: Why I wasn't there, and the screw tells you that

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Speaker 3: don't get fuck mate, that don't care about you.

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Speaker 1: Good luck. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: The crew fella snaps a broom like this and like

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Speaker 3: we knew he was bailing from the unit. He was

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Speaker 3: the one that robbed all the the gear. He snapped

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Speaker 3: a broom like this and he just got boom straight

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Speaker 3: away for broom handle like a timber broomhand and goes

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Speaker 3: straight away into this older Aussie bokes like something. He's

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Speaker 3: like a boke.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you none of this ever gets brought up

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Speaker 2: on the news like that. What's going on in there?

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Speaker 1: Mate?

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Speaker 3: You have no idea park of jail is It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: It's privately young yeah yeah MGM yeah yeah. And they

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Speaker 3: because they're so understaff, they can't do nothing. They only

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Speaker 3: have like two guards on at night. If you neck

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Speaker 3: to yourself, you don't know till the morning, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean. They could be a dead bloke in

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Speaker 3: the some the next year.

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Speaker 1: Things like that. Those the conditions like.

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Speaker 3: My pod, like my pod was scummy, like there was

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Speaker 3: was just disgusting the guys in there, that some of

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Speaker 3: them don't shower. You don't get to other and right,

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Speaker 3: so everyone stinks, you know what I mean, it's it's disgusting. Okay,

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Speaker 3: it's the treat like a third world country a bit.

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Speaker 3: That's my personal pion. What was it like us all

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Speaker 3: shower in the same private showers. You can have a

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Speaker 3: fifteen minute shower. It's in your in your cell. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so you have like a so your cell goes in.

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Speaker 3: It's got like a private shower here and then you

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Speaker 3: have like a double bunk there and you're lucky if

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Speaker 1: You know, seld by yourself. I waited.

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Speaker 3: One of the boys fortunately left like the day I

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Speaker 1: So I was sweet because when you bunk on someone else,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just so lucky, isn't there Some of the

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Speaker 1: It's disgusting. Gay, So what about the prison guards.

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Speaker 2: With the prison guards pretty heavy on a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: Oh really yeah, in my personal opinion, are all like

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Speaker 1: And they've got to sort it out. Yeah you ever

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well they saw when I got in a fight,

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Speaker 1: Lock you up again? If you fight? They can't lock

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Speaker 3: They generally don't put more time many sentence unlet's the

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Speaker 1: Something like that. Is it true as it is? They're

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Speaker 3: So like where I was was more Island of fellas

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Speaker 1: Over the whole jail. You know, no one asked you

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to say who they were, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Now I mean jail suddenly.

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Speaker 1: You know, did everyone share that, like what they were

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Speaker 3: One of the one of the good guys, like I'm

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Speaker 3: friends with him now he's called he calls himself the Moroccan.

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Speaker 1: He's doing a run from Adelaide up to Sydney.

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Speaker 3: He got nicked with forty eight pounds part in the

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Speaker 1: He's like an idiot. A couple of boys were in

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Speaker 3: Names in our our area Insidia and there, and you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you and there were any of the rights

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Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, it was pretty full on place. Food

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Speaker 3: That's how bad it is. You get like one meat paddy,

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Speaker 1: Three they're just sucking the ship.

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Speaker 3: Well yep, like a rolled up wrap for lunch and

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Speaker 1: So fucking hell, it was pretty full on experienced. A

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Speaker 3: He was in there when that that guy came through,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he came through. He got pushed up

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Speaker 1: by fair few people. Really. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they got him because you can't you can't leave

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Speaker 3: the dead girl and run away with it.

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Speaker 1: He went out his case femal or something. Yeah. The boys, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So when we gets up, that's someone like that's coming in.

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Speaker 2: It goes around the jail and you should.

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Speaker 1: Saying, I've seen like one of these guys. He was

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Speaker 1: in there for the sexual raffs men and the boys

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Speaker 1: just got it the second important link. What are you

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Speaker 1: On the straightaway they said him. They call it Sander.

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Speaker 1: They'll send him down to the wing with the rest

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Speaker 1: of the beadows and stuff, and the guards don't bind.

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Speaker 1: The guards tell you, oh really yeah, some of the guards.

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Speaker 3: If if you sit there and look there, someone will

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