1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Property Pendulum, brought to you by Domain 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: and Fear and Greed, the podcast that tells you which 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: way the property market is going to swing and how 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: to make the most of it. I'm Michael Thompson and 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by Alice Stalt's National property editor 6 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: at Domain and one of Australia's foremost experts on all 7 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: things real estate, known to audiences around the country for 8 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: her work on nine including the Block. Hi Alice, Hello, Michael. 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 2: Great to be here. 10 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: Today's topic is a great one and it's one that 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: anyone who spends some time looking at property listenings would 12 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: have seen this language popping up. Today we are looking 13 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: at what that property listening is really telling you. The 14 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: language used in a listening can be kind of it 15 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: can be full of hints, can't it. It's not just 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: about the size of the property, and not just about 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: kind of how much sun it gets all that kind 18 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: of thing, but about the price that you might actually 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: end up paying for it. So today we're going to 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: decode some of the language so that you can hopefully 21 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: some of the opportunities and maybe avoid some of the 22 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: pitfalls as well. So we're putting together a bit of 23 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: a list. Let's jump straight into number one, mortgage or 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: kind of distressed listings. If you see mortgage pop up 25 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: in a property listing, what does that mean? 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: So this is probably the most obvious one that gives 27 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: you a sense of where the seller is at. Now, 28 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: that seller, in that case of its mortgage could actually 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: be the bank, But a distress listing will also imply 30 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: an owner is under financial distressed unfortunately for them, and 31 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: that opportunity presents itself that basically they're going to have 32 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: to just take whatever offer they can get. So I 33 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 2: think for a lot of people, when they see those words, 34 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 2: they have a sense of the pressure that the seller 35 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: and or the vendor, just in case it's not the 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 2: actual owner is under and does need to sell no 37 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: matter what. 38 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,279 Speaker 1: And I suppose with kind of interest rates relatively high, 39 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: there is a greater risk that we will start seeing 40 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: more of these listings coming through. 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: That's right. Look, I think people predicted the mortgage cliff, 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: which didn't quite eventuation the way that people expected it to, 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: but we definitely are still seeing an increase on mortgage 44 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:13,920 Speaker 2: g or distress listings pop up in certain parts of 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: the market, so that there was a lot of expectation 46 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: that we'd see a big on slot of listings like this. 47 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: That hasn't happened. But there are definitely certain areas in 48 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 2: every capital city where people are feeling that pinch and 49 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 2: you will see words such as mortgage and distressed filter through. 50 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: And do they typically go to auction those ones or 51 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: is it just the same as any normal listing whereby 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: you may have an opportunity to buy it before it 53 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: goes to auction. 54 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,079 Speaker 2: It can happen in either case. It depends on how 55 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: the sello wants to proceed basically. Look, I think also 56 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 2: it's reflective of what the market's doing at that time, 57 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 2: and I think if there is heat in that market, 58 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 2: as we've touched on, certain states around Australia at the 59 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: moment are still quite strong and they're probably the ones 60 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 2: that would take it to auction, knowing you are going 61 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 2: to have a lot more competition hopefully for that time. 62 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: Come a day now, the next one on the list 63 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: Alice is a deceased estate. Now this can go either way, 64 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: can't it? Where you would think that perhaps you might 65 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: be able to pick up a bit of a bargain here, 66 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: it might be kind of something that hasn't been touched 67 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: for forty years and just kind of has been lived 68 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: in by one person for that entire period, But you 69 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: could end up kind of in the middle of a 70 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 1: family feud, right. 71 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 2: That's right. These are sort of often the ones that 72 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: I think can trick people up, and it happens because 73 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: the deceased to state is normally means that the often 74 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: that the children or the offspring of the owner are 75 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: the people selling that that house. Now, in many cases 76 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 2: that is a number of siblings rolling together to get 77 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: that deal done. Now, particularly if there's if the family's 78 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 2: bits of acrimonious and relationships aren't great between the siblings. 79 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 2: The way it's often done is the valuation will be 80 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 2: done for the property, and that will often be a 81 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 2: kind of below market rate, like what it will have 82 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 2: to sell at I guess, so you will often see 83 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: a lower price there than what you would see from 84 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 2: a normal person selling their normal house and wanting to 85 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 2: make money out of it. And that's because price guidwise, 86 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: it's going to sell no matter what. Now, the issue 87 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: often with the seas to say, is not only that 88 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: it's luring you in with this price, which if there's 89 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: competition will probably go well over that. But the other 90 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 2: issue is, and this is where it gets really thorny 91 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: come auction day, is that you've often got let's let's 92 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: really enjoy this moment, six siblings in the dining room 93 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: battling it out for do we sell, do we wait? 94 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 2: Do we keep pushing up the auctioneer to get more 95 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: in and before you know what you've got, as you mentioned, 96 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: family feud like taking over and siblings just going all 97 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 2: out for the money effectively. And the issue is that 98 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 2: it can go on and on and on because often 99 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 2: it's very hard to have agreement between poolor parties and 100 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 2: often these as are the people who actually would really 101 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: benefit from having probably a vendor advocate, and that's someone 102 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: who represents the vendors in that instance to sort of 103 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 2: shall we say, herd cats or get people across the 104 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 2: line to ensure they actually are all singing from the 105 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,799 Speaker 2: same song sheet. Because you can just imagine the issues 106 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: that happen when there's not alignment when it comes to selling. 107 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: Especially with all the heightened emotions then as well of 108 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: having to sell kind of mum or Dad's house as 109 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: a family home that's been there for decades, so I 110 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: can see why that would lure people in with the 111 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 1: thought of potentially kind of snagging a bargain. Yeah, tend 112 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: up right in the middle of World War three. 113 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you will often see in a seasis state 114 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 2: it's a very low figure and it will often sell 115 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: it that amount, So it can be great and as 116 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: you mentioned, they cannot often be those sort of really 117 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 2: sort of untouched, really old fashioned garden sort of orange 118 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: brick houses, which I actually think a fantastic buying. So 119 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: they're definitely worth looking at, but just don't be too 120 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,760 Speaker 2: optimistic that you're necessarily going to get the keys at 121 00:05:58,800 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: that price. 122 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: At number three, what does motivated seller mean, because I mean, 123 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: to me, it just just screams there's a bargain here. 124 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: To me, it represents a certain urgency behind the seller's situation. 125 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 2: So basically it means the seller may have already bought 126 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 2: another property that they're going into and they need that 127 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 2: want to avoid having to have a bridging loan or 128 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 2: something of that house, and they've got to settle quickly. 129 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: But it does give you an insight into sort of 130 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 2: the desperation of that seller. So again it's another key 131 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: if you're sure it's true to understand that you might 132 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 2: be able to underdeliver on that bid you're offering knowing 133 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 2: that that seller is indeed motivated to sell. 134 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: Are any of these terms ever used mischievously to entice 135 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: people in a motivated seller? I mean, anyone is motivated 136 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: to sell their property, right if I was selling by place, 137 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: of course, a motivated to seller putting it on the market, 138 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: can it be used mischievously to try and attract more 139 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: people a little bit in the end, you're still going 140 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: to hold out for the best possible price. 141 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: It could indeed be that case, Michael, But it doesn't 142 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 2: actually happen very often that it is disingenuous, And I 143 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 2: think that's because agents, to their credit, kind of hold 144 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 2: it back for the times that actually needs to happen. Yeah, 145 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,040 Speaker 2: which which is just sort of interesting, isn't it in itself? 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: But I guess because also an agent is really also 147 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: motivated to represent the seller and therefore get the best 148 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: price for a property, So it's sort of against their 149 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 2: interest to do it. So when you do say it, 150 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 2: I've not seen it be be abused. 151 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: Put it that way, Okay, So I should stop looking 152 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: for conspiracies where there are. 153 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: None in this instance, Yes, Michael. 154 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Ellis okay. Number four, this is probably 155 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,320 Speaker 1: my favorite on this entire list. It is the renovator's delight, 156 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: and everyone's heard of the renovators delight or the fixer upper, 157 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: or how about this one imagination needed you don't you 158 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: don't need too much imagination to know what that means. 159 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 2: Or worst house on the best street sort of thing, 160 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 2: which is very subjective. Obviously. Look, I love this one 161 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: too because I have also seen just some utter I 162 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: saw it was in my time in my job. I'm 163 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 2: talking people falling through the floors, not even the kitchen sink, 164 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: literally squalor like conditions that have got you have to 165 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: sign a waiver to enter the property. 166 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: Hang on you actually, as in a personal injury kind 167 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: of thing, that there is a risk that a beam 168 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: could fall on you. 169 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: Indeed, okay, indeed, And a lot of it can happen 170 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 2: around very old heritage houses that someone's bought and went 171 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 2: to renovate and whatever reason didn't and it might sit 172 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: on the market for years, and this house becomes completely 173 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,719 Speaker 2: neglected and derelict, and before you know it, it is 174 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: completely uninhibitable basically. So I have seen it all, and 175 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 2: it's funny when you say renovated, it's like people have 176 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: a sort of a vision of some sort of lovely, old, 177 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 2: rambling French chateau with you know, crumbling wallpaper and pastoral 178 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: colors and unpolished floorboards. But that's not the reality. Michael, Like, 179 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 2: so this is really truly you're going to get a bargain, 180 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 2: but you are going to have to do so much 181 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: work on this house. Go in with your eyes wide open, 182 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: get a builder through the property, have an inspection report done, 183 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 2: just to understand what you are chewing off if you're 184 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 2: looking at a house like this. 185 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 1: So there's a reasonable chance that if you see a 186 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: renovator's delight or fix it up, it may be more 187 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: suited to a knockdown rebuild kind of scenati. 188 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: Yes, but then that's going to depend on the heritage 189 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 2: laws around the property at the time. But I do 190 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 2: also think the funny thing is about a renovator's delight 191 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: is that sometimes in a market, it's a great time 192 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 2: to buy a renovator's delight, Like at the property wise, 193 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 2: it's the right time to buy knowing it will take 194 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: you a year to renovate it, then flip it and 195 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 2: then make money on it. Now, of course, over the 196 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: past couple of years, with renovation costs going up so much, 197 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 2: people have really been spooped by properties that renovating. So 198 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 2: even at the moment in the current market, the brave 199 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: are being rewarded for looking at renovators delights because most people, 200 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 2: nine out of ten buyers a moment, do not want 201 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: a property that needs renovating, and the really plucky people 202 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,439 Speaker 2: are the ones who are bolshy enough to go, yep, 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm doing it. You know, I've got my brother and 204 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 2: my cousin, and you know my auntie knows everybody in 205 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 2: the area of the trades. I'm going to do this. 206 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: So they're the ones that are being rewarded and will 207 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: absolutely come top those rewards in the future, because I 208 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: think so many odds's at the moment are just still 209 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,119 Speaker 2: turned off from renovating or building themselves. 210 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that makes sense. That's really really good insights there. 211 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: You mentioned heritage listing, and that kind of leads us 212 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: kind of neatly into our next one. It's a bit 213 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 1: of a catch all, I suppose for a bunch of 214 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: different phrases and words that you might see within a listing, 215 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: and it's about kind of zoning. For instance, it might 216 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: be that a property has been zoned for a certain use, 217 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: it's got approval for apartments to be developed into apartments, 218 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: or it might have commercial zoning attached to it as well. 219 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: All of these kinds of things that start to get 220 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: into the technicalities of what a property can be used 221 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: for or can be done it can be done to 222 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: the property, and a lot of them have perhaps red 223 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: flags attached to them because it might mean that suddenly 224 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: you are competing with developers for that place and so 225 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: you're not going to get a bargain necessarily for it, 226 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:30,720 Speaker 1: or your hands might be well and truly tied in 227 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: terms of the amount of work that you can do 228 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 1: and if you want to go in and do a 229 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: knockdown rebuild, for instance as a heritage listing. No hope, 230 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: I think this is. 231 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 2: The one where a lawyer can be your friend in 232 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 2: this instance of just really understanding what the restrictions are 233 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: when you're buying a property with any kind of issue 234 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: around zoning or overlay on the property. Because I also 235 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 2: think getting that clarity early on and to be honest. 236 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 2: The agent should be able to also help you decipher 237 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 2: what it means and who's the likely buyer is. Because 238 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: it also means that if you're you know, if you've 239 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,319 Speaker 2: got developers or the zoning can be for a commercial 240 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 2: building or something, you've got suddenly commercial realistate agents kicking 241 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,320 Speaker 2: the tires on the property, so to speak, you're probably 242 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 2: going to be completely blown under the water. And ideally 243 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: you will have an agent that will tell you that 244 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: in the outset, just to say, okay, this is not 245 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:19,439 Speaker 2: going to be the place to me, I'm not going 246 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 2: to compete with developers because we know how deep the 247 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: pockets are of buyers in that instance. So I do 248 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 2: think it sort of can helpfully stop you from getting 249 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: ahead of yourself and potentially wasting money on due diligence 250 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 2: for a property that you've never really in with a shot. 251 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: With things like heritage is really interesting, and I always 252 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: really recommend that people call the local council and look 253 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: at the website to understand the zoning in their area 254 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 2: of their own property and also the property next door 255 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: to them, because even if you're buying a lovely heritage 256 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 2: home and you think you've got romantic ideas about restoring 257 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: it back to its you know, Victorian glory and so forth. 258 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: What if the house next door can be subdivided and 259 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: have you know, a mid level building put on it. 260 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 2: How's that going to sit next to your area at 261 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 2: home in the future. Also at the moment, though particularly 262 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 2: in Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane, Adam, I mean really all 263 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: around the country. Our cities are going through such a 264 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: huge change at the moment when it comes to zoning. 265 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 2: So zoning is changing right before our eyes, and there 266 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 2: are being activity centers identified new zoning for development in 267 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 2: certain thoroughfares around established infrastructure. So think about it at 268 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 2: the moment and that's me. Often also hear of neighbors 269 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 2: budding up together and then go into an agency and say, 270 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: four neighbors in the street, we're all aligned, we're all 271 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: neighboring properties. Find us the commercial agent to sell our 272 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 2: block of land to knowing it can be redeveloped, for example, 273 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: to have an apartment block or numerous townhouses put on it. 274 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: I love those stories, like they're always so exciting to 275 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: see kind of neighbors cooperating, which is really kind of 276 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: in itself. 277 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 2: It's great wouldn't you love to be a fly on 278 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,720 Speaker 2: the wall? As conversations though, like to think, who, how 279 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: do they get Doris cross the line to do that? 280 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 2: And what did Kevin actually have to do? Like did 281 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: he have to give her the hydranger clippings from that tree? 282 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 2: She always loved to get her across the line because 283 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: people are you know, it's so unusual that can actually happen, 284 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: that you can get that sort of everybody's lined up 285 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 2: at the same place at the same time. Basically, However, 286 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 2: if you've got a commercial or develop a significant own 287 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: your property and you bundled a block together, you can 288 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: be selling four millions and millions and millions of dollars 289 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: if you're in the right area. 290 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, suddenly it kind of goes from each property being 291 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: worth perhaps individually one point five million, to the four 292 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 1: properties being worth as a block ten million. That's exactly right, 293 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: And there you go. You've each pocketed an extra million 294 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: dollars just because you managed to for once cooperate with 295 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: the neighbors and stop arguing over the fence line. The 296 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: fence line doesn't matter anymore. It's going to be knocked down. 297 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: So look, I love those but look zoning. It can 298 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: be a headache, it can be a red flag. And 299 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: that is, as you say, when a lawyer can be 300 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: your friend to help you decipher some of the those 301 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 1: terms in that listing. So you might end up competing 302 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: with developers in that case, in number six hours, you 303 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: might end up competing with an entirely different group of 304 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: buyers instead, because we're talking about school catchments and kind 305 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: of school zones around your area, and if it's a 306 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: particularly kind of desirable school that you're in the area for, 307 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: you might end up up against dozens of other families 308 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: who've got the same idea that you have. 309 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 2: My gosh, I mean, school zones are so hotly contested. 310 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 2: Forget about status handbags and cars and designer watches. School 311 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: zones are worth more than all of those things, Michael, 312 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 2: and you have not seen competition and seen you until 313 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 2: you've seen auction on a Saturday of people elbowing each 314 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: other out of the way to get into certain school zones. 315 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 2: And that's a whole other conversation for a rainy day 316 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 2: about what people will do to get in the right 317 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 2: school zone. Anyway, school zones on a listing is an 318 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 2: incredibly valuable word. And that's because when you're in a 319 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 2: certain school zone. Traditionally it was always around secondary schools. 320 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 2: The high schools were the one that people wanted to 321 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 2: be in, these sort of superstar zones off because it's 322 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: saving what can be these days thirty forty fifty k 323 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 2: apparently in private school fees these days. 324 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Wow. 325 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: So when you're in that right zone, you feel incredibly powerful. 326 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 2: The risk is, though, and counselor can do this, They 327 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 2: can change that zone at any given moment, and people 328 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: can lose the value of their property by one hundreds 329 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars overnight. When councils deem that suddenly 330 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: the wrong side of High Street is now out of 331 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: that sumptual as school zone and it's now for the 332 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: other zone. They are literally left to feel like chopped 333 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 2: liver and the value of their house plummets overnight. 334 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: Oh wow, And you have absolutely no control over that nothing. 335 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 2: But look, but I mean, I'm not trying to scare 336 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 2: people off. I'm just trying to say, by beware, I 337 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: guess so the closer you out of that school the better. Now, 338 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 2: the other issue is, it's interesting is that this is 339 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 2: now actually happening when it comes to prime imary school 340 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: So this was a trend that only really happened at 341 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 2: secondary school level, and now primary schools we're seeing parents 342 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 2: vie to get into certain zones even at a primary 343 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 2: school level. And to a non school parent, you might think, well, 344 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: this is Australia. Aren't all schools great? And yes, we're 345 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 2: very lucky in astray that nearly all schools are absolutely wonderful. However, 346 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 2: when you're sort of laying over things like naplan results 347 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: and all sorts of studies and it, ask local parents 348 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 2: at local park about this and they'll talk your ear 349 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 2: off for a few hours about it. The value and 350 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 2: the premium people are willing to pay just keeps going 351 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 2: up and up and up based on certain school zones. 352 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,120 Speaker 1: All right, so very very important one to look out 353 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: for there. At the other end, I'm in a group 354 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: of few in under the next one number seven, best offer, price, reduced, negotiable, 355 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: must sell price to sell. All of these they signify 356 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: an element of urgency, don't they. 357 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: It's kind of like the boxing day sales. I guess 358 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: we could say, like it's just this big red alert 359 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,879 Speaker 2: of like bargain basement is here, and I think on 360 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,520 Speaker 2: those ones when you're getting words like that flung about, 361 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 2: if you want to go in and lowball, you kind 362 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: of can, and you're less likely to be to insult 363 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: someone or be laughed out of the room, because there 364 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: are times when people lowball an agent to pass on 365 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,119 Speaker 2: that bit to the seller and it ends up just 366 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: insulting everybody and it doesn't help anyone. And I know 367 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 2: it sounds silly to say, well, what does that really matter, 368 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 2: but if you get that agent and seller offside, it 369 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 2: can really work against you. So I think when you've 370 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 2: got words like you just mentioned, Michael, you actually have 371 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 2: full permission to do as you please, because that is 372 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 2: really what it's encouraging, and it's trying to get everything 373 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: out of the woodwork to get a deal done, and 374 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: you're basically being told you've got full permission to have 375 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 2: a crack. 376 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: To go for it, because I mean, as you say that, 377 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: the seller might have already bought a new property, they 378 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: might be moving overseas, there might be a whole bunch 379 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: of different reasons as to why. And these are the 380 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: little kind of signifiers that you've got to keep an 381 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: eye out for. And it is licensed to really go 382 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: for it and have a go number eight on our list, 383 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 1: sold as is? What does that mean? Is this is 384 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: this kind of a fixer upper kind of one as well, 385 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 1: or where does that kind of fall into the category? 386 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: That really means often a property might be partially renovated. 387 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: I've seen some examples of this where like perhaps so 388 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 2: the kitchen's done and the bedrooms are done, let's just say, 389 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: and you get to the living room, you think, I 390 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: can't wait to see this, it's going to beautiful. And 391 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 2: you get there and there's not actually a wall, there's 392 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: no doors, it's not even window frames up, and you 393 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: just think, oh gosh, what's happened here? Like and often 394 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 2: like the builders run out of money or the couple 395 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: are divorcing and they're just completely over it and they 396 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: want to get out quick smart. So what you're seeing 397 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:47,399 Speaker 2: is people often say, oh, are they going to finish that? 398 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 2: Are they going to put that wall in? Before selling? 399 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: And it's like no, no, no, that's it. It's being 400 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: sold as is. And often if it's at a property 401 00:19:54,280 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: that sounds great on paper, but actually in reality it 402 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: is not all that it seems to be what you've 403 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,239 Speaker 2: read about it. So it can be good, particularly if 404 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: you've got a trade and you know how to sort 405 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: of fix things up. And again I just also think, Michael, 406 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: the thing is here though. These are all just the 407 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: insights of what can help you negotiate and justify the 408 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: price that you think the property is worth without feeling 409 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: that you've you've got someone cranking your arm behind your 410 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: back to sort of make you up your offer, and 411 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: you can actually say, well, no, the living room is 412 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: not even here yet, mate, or the bathroom isn't even 413 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 2: tiled or something. So it is actually a good one 414 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 2: that and it's one we often said a little bit 415 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 2: more of during times of recession or something, when people 416 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 2: are really going under and builders are being really impacted 417 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: quite sharply. 418 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: So it kind of goes back to what we've spoken 419 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 1: about in previous episodes. It's about all the research that 420 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: you need to do before making an offer, and this 421 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: is essentially doing your research for you because the information 422 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: is right there in the listing already, so you've already 423 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: gotten insight into the state of the seller, kind of 424 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: what position they are in, and potentially the information that 425 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: you can use in your offer. Number nine, our last 426 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 1: one on this list. This I don't know which way 427 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: this one goes one of a kind. When I say 428 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: when I hear that something is one of a kind, 429 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: instantly I think, well, this sounds fancy. I reckon it's 430 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: going to be architecturally designed, it's going to be spectacular, 431 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: it's going to maybe have a turret. Who knows, is 432 00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: that what we're talking about here or is it the 433 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: other way and it is just a just a hole 434 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: in the ground. 435 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 2: I think that real estate agents would love to hear that. 436 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,679 Speaker 2: You actually respond to that, Michael, because that is what 437 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: they're trying to do. They're trying to entice you in 438 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: and say, Wow, fantastic, so unique. I read it in 439 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 2: a very negative way and think it normally means something 440 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,879 Speaker 2: that no one else wants and it literally sticks out 441 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: like a shag on a rock. So buyer, beware. 442 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: We are going to go with that one just then. 443 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: But I do think that sort of house is normally 444 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: so unique, and the thing that will work in your 445 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: favor is there there is less likely to be a 446 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: number of buyers on it, and it also means it's 447 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 2: often harder to sell because properties like this are incredibly unique, 448 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: individual etc. And they're quirky so they're the ones that 449 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 2: people walk in and go, oh, I can't get my 450 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: head around this. So anything like that will most likely 451 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: have a smaller pooler buyers on it than a more 452 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 2: generic property, which is going to go in your favor 453 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: as the buyer. Just to say, there's not only any 454 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 2: competition here, mate, like, you've got to accept my offer 455 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: because that's basically all you've got and it plays right 456 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 2: into your favor. 457 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: Also, I reckon we put together a fairly comprehensive list there. 458 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: It's bordering on a dictionary of real estate terminology. Here 459 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: we've got mortgage and distress sales and deceased estate, motivated 460 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: seller renovators to light and fixer upper and imagination needed 461 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 1: zoning and the subject to council approval. All of those 462 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: ones in that basket, including heritage listings at school catchments 463 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: or school zoning, best offer price, reduced, negotiable, must sell 464 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: price to sell, all of those ones that signify, hey, 465 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 1: maybe it's okay to go in with you potentially low 466 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: ball offer. Number eight was sold as is, and then 467 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 1: number nine one of a kind, Thanks. 468 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,400 Speaker 2: Very much, Alis, pleasure Michael. 469 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: That was real estate expert Alice Doltz. National Property editor 470 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: at Domain and I'm Michael Thompson. Make sure you're following 471 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: the podcast and we'll be back next week with another 472 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: episode of the Property Pendulum, brought to you by Domain 473 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: and Fear and Breed, the podcast that tells you which 474 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: way the property market is going to swing, how to 475 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: make the most opision