1 00:00:04,160 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: It's Thursday, September twenty six. Australia's courts embracing for an 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: avalanche of appeals from international students whose visas have been 4 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: canceled or denied. More than fifteen thousand people have lodged 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: applications for review, compared with fewer than three thousand the 6 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: year before. Hackers targeted the email inboxes of Victoria's fire 7 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: chiefs in hopes of furthering the interests of the firefighters Union. 8 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: That story is live right now at Theaustralian dot com 9 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 1: dot au. First it was pages, then walkie talkies, now 10 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: rockets and maybe next a ground invasion. As Israel turns 11 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: its focus to hesblah, we explore what all sides want 12 00:00:56,040 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: from this new phase of an eighty year conflict. Today's 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: story on one side of the border, rocket fragments fall 14 00:01:11,400 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: to earth and huge conflagrations light up the sky. This 15 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: is southern Lebanon. What some claim is evidence of ammunition 16 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: and even rockets going up in flames in civilian neighborhoods 17 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: after being struck by missiles fired from Israel. On the 18 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: other side of the border. In Israel, Hesbella's rockets loom 19 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: above houses and fields before being destroyed by interceptor missiles 20 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: in mid air in a series of booms. That's Israel's 21 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: so called Iron Dome, a defense system designed to eliminate 22 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: incoming fire. 23 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: Well, I think this is the moment that everyone in 24 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 2: Israel and certainly people around the world who've been watching it, 25 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: this is the moment that everyone's been dreading. 26 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: Yonni Bishan is a journalist with The Australian who's spent 27 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: a lot of the past year reporting on conflict in 28 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: the Middle East. Israel versus Lebanon. We've been here before 29 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty eight when Lebanon and other Arab nations 30 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: invaded the newly formed state of Israel, in nineteen seventy 31 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: eight when Israel invaded Lebanon, and again in nineteen eighty two. 32 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: In two thousand and six when the Iranian backed militia 33 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: Hesbelah infiltrated Israel and took two soldiers hostage, prompting weeks 34 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: of conflict. And now in twenty twenty four, it's on again. 35 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: On Wednesday, Hesbela fired a medium range surface to surface 36 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: ballistic missile at Tel Aviv. They were aiming for the 37 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: headquarters of the Mossad, Israel's secret service. The missis was 38 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: intercepted in the air. Israel says Hesbiala is hiding ammunition, 39 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: including enormous cruise missiles in domestic dwellings. 40 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 3: Riz Balas stores cruise missiles, rockets, launchers and UAVs inside 41 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 3: civilian homes, hidden behind the Lebanese population living in the village. 42 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 3: We are monitoring these activities, locating the weapons and destroying 43 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 3: them with precise intelligence based strikes. 44 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 2: It's the largest militia on the planet. Basically, it has 45 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: an enormous weapon stock, highly trained army, infantry, well supplied 46 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: by Iran, well funded, and a war with Lebanon would 47 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 2: almost certainly entail a high number of casualties, both militarily 48 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 2: and civilian. And who knows where this is going to go. 49 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: Israel's military is formidable, but Hesbela has the home advantage. 50 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: Whenever you have a conventional army versing a militia, one 51 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 2: is always going to have the unfair advantage, and we're 52 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: seeing that right now in southern Lebanon. So the footage 53 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: and the information that's being released, mostly by the IDEF, 54 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: but also by Reresbela itself is showing that it's hiding 55 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 2: its weapons much like Hamastid in Gaza, beneath civilian infrastructure, 56 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 2: and no conventional army operates in that way, and inevitably 57 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: that means that when you have a conventional army fighting 58 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: a war against such a foe, you're going to have 59 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 2: a higher number of civilian casualties, You're going to have 60 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 2: a higher level of moral calculus embedded in every decision 61 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 2: that's made, and inevitably makes the war a lot harder 62 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 2: to fight. 63 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: This round of conflict began on September nineteen with one 64 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: of the most audacious espionage operations in recent memory, the 65 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:07,840 Speaker 1: coordinated explosion of hundreds of pages and then walkie talkies. 66 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 3: I have a message for the people of Lebanon. Israel's 67 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: war is not with you, it's with Habella. 68 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: That's Israeli PM Benjamin Nitya, who after Israel's apparent spycraft triumph, 69 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: telling Lebanese civilians to move north. 70 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 2: This would seem to me to be a precursor to 71 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: a ground invasion. They desperately wanted to avoid it. It 72 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: seems like Heresbella also wants to attempt to avoid that. 73 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: It's a very strange equation because you've got both sides 74 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 2: saying we don't want a war, and yet the fighting 75 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: keeps escalating, the targeting. While measured as it has been 76 00:05:58,040 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: between both sides, it continues to escalate. 77 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: Coming up what this conflict could mean for the future 78 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:36,679 Speaker 1: of Lebanon Lehn. This is a BBC reporter in footage 79 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:42,239 Speaker 1: from August four, twenty twenty, when Lebanon's beautiful, messy capital city, 80 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: be Route was rocked by an immense explosion. Tons of 81 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: ammonium nitrate had been unsecured at the port of Beirute 82 00:06:50,600 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 1: for six years. Furious citizens protested the inettitude and probable 83 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 1: corruption that had destroyed their city. An investigation started and 84 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: sputted out Prime Minister Hassan Di'ab and his cabinet resigned. 85 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: There are still no clear answers about how this ammonium 86 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: nitrate came to be in Beirut. It's been linked to 87 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: Russian and Cypriot interests, to Iran and to Hesblah. That 88 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 1: uncertainty is typical of Lebanon's complex history. Once a French colony, 89 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: independent since the nineteen forties, but lumbered with a governing 90 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: system that dictated key government jobs be sliced up between 91 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: Christians and Shia and Sunni Muslims. In the nineteen seventy 92 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: Civil War, a new force emerged, Hesbalah, a Shia political 93 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:02,239 Speaker 1: party and paramilitary funded by Iran On. But to what end. 94 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 2: Iranzen game is to get us interests out of the 95 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 2: Middle East and to destroy Israel it always has been. 96 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 2: Chresbola's charter has basically sought the exact same kresbelas endgame 97 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 2: here is to wipe Israel off the face of the planet. 98 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 2: Just like Ramas as well, they are both separated by 99 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: competing Islamic ideologies. Ramas is a sunny group, Kresbela is 100 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: a shear group. Yet they have a common aim here 101 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: and the aame has always been to get Jews out 102 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: of the Middle East, to get Israel out of the 103 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: Middle East, and definitely get America out of the Middle East. 104 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,719 Speaker 1: Israel and Lebanon are such close neighbors, beautiful subtropical countries 105 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: on the eastern shore of the Mediterranean. It's the same 106 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: kind of turf. It's like the difference the road between 107 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: Sydney and Brisbane. It's such a tragedy, isn't it that Lebanon, 108 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 1: which not so long ago was a relatively functional democracy, 109 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: now seems to have fallen into complete chaos. 110 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 3: Correct. 111 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 2: It is a great tragedy, no more so than for 112 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: the people of Lebanon, who don't have a particular fondness 113 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 2: for Fresbola, who don't particularly enjoy the fact that they 114 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 2: can't live in the south of the country without having 115 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: their homes targeted or having their lives been put at 116 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: risk because in a neighboring village, Kresbola has achieved a 117 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: foothold and decided to launch rockets from there all store 118 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: its munichtions there. This is not a winning strategy for Lebanon. 119 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 2: The Lebanese people know that they don't want Kresbola there, 120 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: they don't want Iran in their country, and yet this 121 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 2: is the situation they find themselves in. Hopefully, if anything 122 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 2: positive is to emerge out of this latest round of fighting, 123 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 2: it's that Kresbola has degraded such that it no longer 124 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 2: exists in its current form, and if perhaps there might 125 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 2: be some real change in that country. 126 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: Joanni Bishan is a journalist with the Australian. You can 127 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 1: read all our reporting and analysis of the conflict in 128 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: the Middle East right now at the Australian dot com 129 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: dot a u