1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Approach production. 2 00:00:10,721 --> 00:00:14,201 Speaker 2: Dear mister and missus Westbrook. I'm writing response to your 3 00:00:14,241 --> 00:00:17,761 Speaker 2: email to Commissioner Adams on the third of July twenty 4 00:00:17,801 --> 00:00:21,081 Speaker 2: twenty four, and your query is regarding the outcome of 5 00:00:21,161 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: inquiries in twenty twenty three into further information you provide 6 00:00:26,081 --> 00:00:29,681 Speaker 2: cutting Eden's death. I'm reading a letter that Jason and 7 00:00:29,721 --> 00:00:33,921 Speaker 2: Amanda the Commissioner of Police on the second of August 8 00:00:33,961 --> 00:00:37,441 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. It was after their request for more 9 00:00:37,441 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: information about the interview that police say was conducted with 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: a girl we're calling Kate just recently. Jason continues to 11 00:00:44,881 --> 00:00:45,441 Speaker 2: read the letter. 12 00:00:45,641 --> 00:00:49,281 Speaker 3: I can confirm that Tasmanian Police is not in possession 13 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:54,001 Speaker 3: of any evidence that suggests Edenstad is other than a suicide, 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:56,761 Speaker 3: and there is no evidence linking any. 15 00:00:56,681 --> 00:00:58,441 Speaker 1: Other persons to her debt. 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,081 Speaker 3: While I understand your desire for copies of interviews with 17 00:01:02,241 --> 00:01:06,521 Speaker 3: persons from these recent inquiries and in BRACK and other records, 18 00:01:07,001 --> 00:01:10,121 Speaker 3: such material contains personal information that does. 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,281 Speaker 4: Not justify its relief, particularly. 20 00:01:12,721 --> 00:01:14,921 Speaker 3: When there is no evidence linking any. 21 00:01:14,721 --> 00:01:18,321 Speaker 5: Of the individuals to Eden's death. You can, of. 22 00:01:18,321 --> 00:01:22,161 Speaker 3: Course make an application to the Rights to Information Act 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,160 Speaker 3: two thousand and nine any such application will be assessed. 24 00:01:25,721 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 5: In accordance with the requirements of that act. 25 00:01:28,601 --> 00:01:31,761 Speaker 3: I recognize the toll Eden's death has had on your 26 00:01:31,801 --> 00:01:35,801 Speaker 3: family and assure you inquiries have been made into all 27 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 3: credible information that has been received. Yours sincerely, Assistant Commissioner. 28 00:01:43,761 --> 00:01:47,001 Speaker 6: How did you feel when you read that email? 29 00:01:49,161 --> 00:01:52,041 Speaker 3: Well rereading it to EJ and that last paragraph. 30 00:01:52,081 --> 00:01:53,681 Speaker 5: I recognize the toll Eden's. 31 00:01:53,481 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 3: Death has had on your family and assure you inquiries 32 00:01:56,641 --> 00:02:00,161 Speaker 3: have been made into all credible information that has been received. 33 00:02:00,241 --> 00:02:02,921 Speaker 3: So what are you saying there, Mate, that Bobby Lee's 34 00:02:02,961 --> 00:02:07,721 Speaker 3: not credible, Jason's not credible, Amanda is not credible, but 35 00:02:08,121 --> 00:02:09,441 Speaker 3: Kate is credible. 36 00:02:11,561 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, undescending, It is mate. 37 00:02:15,001 --> 00:02:17,881 Speaker 3: To of course make an application to the rights of information. 38 00:02:18,361 --> 00:02:20,561 Speaker 3: Of course we can make an application, and we are 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,081 Speaker 3: right now making an application for all of that. 40 00:02:23,641 --> 00:02:26,401 Speaker 6: The team working with Jason and Amanda on finding out 41 00:02:26,441 --> 00:02:29,681 Speaker 6: what really happened to their daughter almost ten years ago, 42 00:02:29,921 --> 00:02:36,321 Speaker 6: has two information requests. Yesterday, Sunday, the eleventh of August, 43 00:02:36,601 --> 00:02:40,521 Speaker 6: was a very bittersweet day for Jason and Amanda Westbrook 44 00:02:40,761 --> 00:02:44,041 Speaker 6: and their family. I guess there was a bit of 45 00:02:44,121 --> 00:02:47,481 Speaker 6: light and shade across the weekend. Eden would have celebrated 46 00:02:47,481 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 6: her birthday on the eleventh. 47 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:52,361 Speaker 3: Yeah, heavy heart mate in the family at the moment 48 00:02:52,441 --> 00:02:55,481 Speaker 3: for that twenty five years young she would have been. 49 00:02:56,881 --> 00:03:00,201 Speaker 6: And how did you celebrate or commemorate her birthday? 50 00:03:01,721 --> 00:03:06,561 Speaker 3: Look Funnily enough, we've got a text on last week 51 00:03:06,641 --> 00:03:11,281 Speaker 3: on the Thursday Wednesday, Thursday afternoon from a couple from 52 00:03:11,401 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: Queensland that have gone through a similar injustice with their 53 00:03:15,481 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: family members, and yeah, we celebrated with MJ. 54 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:21,761 Speaker 5: It's just such a strange. 55 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:26,001 Speaker 3: Imagine to put to words day because you can't get 56 00:03:26,001 --> 00:03:28,641 Speaker 3: a birthday cake, she's not here, you can't sing her 57 00:03:28,641 --> 00:03:34,041 Speaker 3: Happy Birthday because she's not here. The children even we're 58 00:03:34,081 --> 00:03:36,001 Speaker 3: all just well, we're. 59 00:03:35,841 --> 00:03:40,401 Speaker 1: A bit closure in what to do together. We're hurt. 60 00:03:40,561 --> 00:03:44,481 Speaker 3: We see it's the twenty fifth k big moment and 61 00:03:44,881 --> 00:03:47,881 Speaker 3: for all our children, the eighteenth and the twenty fifth 62 00:03:47,921 --> 00:03:50,601 Speaker 3: is a big one in our family. Every eighteenth we've 63 00:03:50,601 --> 00:03:52,801 Speaker 3: given the children five hundred bucks. That was just what 64 00:03:52,841 --> 00:03:54,601 Speaker 3: we did for all the kids. And on the twenty 65 00:03:54,641 --> 00:03:56,601 Speaker 3: fifth we're just given them a thousand bucks. That's just 66 00:03:56,641 --> 00:03:59,081 Speaker 3: what we do as parents. We don't give even a 67 00:03:59,161 --> 00:04:00,001 Speaker 3: thousand bucks. 68 00:04:00,441 --> 00:04:07,001 Speaker 5: It's really a fellow day for I guess, but I. 69 00:04:06,921 --> 00:04:09,801 Speaker 1: Do remember her in all of her glory to he 70 00:04:10,041 --> 00:04:14,241 Speaker 1: was such a big, big personality. When you come home 71 00:04:14,441 --> 00:04:17,041 Speaker 1: from school every day and you hear what all of 72 00:04:17,081 --> 00:04:19,001 Speaker 1: your children have to say, and it gives them all 73 00:04:19,001 --> 00:04:24,161 Speaker 1: that time, one at a time, and you get to 74 00:04:24,201 --> 00:04:26,801 Speaker 1: see something that you don't wouldn't see if you didn't 75 00:04:26,921 --> 00:04:29,081 Speaker 1: listen and give the child the time to speak. And 76 00:04:29,561 --> 00:04:31,841 Speaker 1: I'm just so grateful for the things that I did 77 00:04:31,921 --> 00:04:33,801 Speaker 1: do for Edom when she was alive. 78 00:04:35,361 --> 00:04:37,361 Speaker 3: Where it rolls in my head the things I didn't 79 00:04:37,361 --> 00:04:39,721 Speaker 3: do mate, because she was so academic and she was 80 00:04:39,721 --> 00:04:43,961 Speaker 3: full of energy and conversation, and I was always so busy, Jay, 81 00:04:44,161 --> 00:04:47,201 Speaker 3: And I really want to emphasize as a parent, don't 82 00:04:47,201 --> 00:04:49,161 Speaker 3: be too busy for your kids, because you just. 83 00:04:49,121 --> 00:04:50,441 Speaker 5: Never know what's around the corner. 84 00:04:50,641 --> 00:04:53,801 Speaker 3: And I live with you know, sometimes even following me 85 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:55,921 Speaker 3: around trying to tell me a story. And I was 86 00:04:56,041 --> 00:04:59,041 Speaker 3: so busy and I regret that, so you know, you 87 00:04:59,161 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: have regrets as much as Amanda's trying to remember the 88 00:05:01,801 --> 00:05:02,561 Speaker 3: positive times. 89 00:05:02,641 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 6: Jay also something else happened on the weekend, which was 90 00:05:05,961 --> 00:05:09,321 Speaker 6: a full page ad happened in the local paper tell 91 00:05:09,401 --> 00:05:11,241 Speaker 6: Us about that oh. 92 00:05:10,961 --> 00:05:14,521 Speaker 1: Well, it's a there's a whole lot of questions asked 93 00:05:14,521 --> 00:05:18,041 Speaker 1: in asking people in the public to basically speak up 94 00:05:18,081 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: and step up, and we need you, We actually need 95 00:05:21,801 --> 00:05:25,001 Speaker 1: you to help us put these puzzles together so everybody 96 00:05:25,041 --> 00:05:27,281 Speaker 1: can carry on with their lives and feel safe to 97 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: do so. If this could happen to us, honestly, it 98 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,401 Speaker 1: can happen to any of you, then that's the pain 99 00:05:34,481 --> 00:05:37,921 Speaker 1: of the matter. We do need to change things in 100 00:05:37,961 --> 00:05:42,081 Speaker 1: the system. And hopefully the questions that the Weekend's paper 101 00:05:42,281 --> 00:05:46,161 Speaker 1: have asked, and then to follow up by Amber with 102 00:05:46,281 --> 00:05:50,641 Speaker 1: her article, hopefully that can sort of strike a chord 103 00:05:50,681 --> 00:05:54,081 Speaker 1: with people that ten years has almost gone by, and 104 00:05:54,241 --> 00:05:58,721 Speaker 1: Jason and I certainly haven't given up or changed the 105 00:05:58,761 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: way we think of trying to clear Eden's name. Here 106 00:06:05,081 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: sixty special system basically look yead. 107 00:06:07,721 --> 00:06:10,681 Speaker 3: Also, what I like about it today is it reminds 108 00:06:10,721 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: people that were at such difficulty in getting critical information, 109 00:06:14,121 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 3: you know, and you know what I'm talking about. 110 00:06:16,241 --> 00:06:19,641 Speaker 5: Triple O calls the CCTV footage. 111 00:06:19,841 --> 00:06:23,361 Speaker 3: Eden's mobile phone records in their social media, which we 112 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 3: have through you been able to have a little bit 113 00:06:25,241 --> 00:06:25,721 Speaker 3: of a look at. 114 00:06:25,761 --> 00:06:27,201 Speaker 5: But it certainly wasn't investigated. 115 00:06:28,361 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: Interviewing Comfortable Christmath first, why was that never happened? Given 116 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,001 Speaker 3: you know, he made it very clear Eden was alive 117 00:06:34,041 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: on the eighteenth at two am, arguing with an older 118 00:06:37,201 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: woman under the. 119 00:06:37,721 --> 00:06:40,121 Speaker 6: Skate pope in front of me. I've got a copy 120 00:06:40,161 --> 00:06:43,241 Speaker 6: of that full page ad, which was facilitated by Jackie 121 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:47,361 Speaker 6: Lambie and her team. The ad poses questions that we've 122 00:06:47,401 --> 00:06:51,761 Speaker 6: been asking for all along in this podcast still haven't 123 00:06:51,761 --> 00:06:56,081 Speaker 6: been answered, or they have been answered, but those answers 124 00:06:56,201 --> 00:07:03,161 Speaker 6: raise even more questions. Was Eden murdered? Today would have 125 00:07:03,201 --> 00:07:07,801 Speaker 6: been Eden's twenty fifth birthday. A family should be celebrating, 126 00:07:07,961 --> 00:07:11,281 Speaker 6: but they're still fighting for answers. There is compelling new 127 00:07:11,361 --> 00:07:15,521 Speaker 6: evidence and witnesses that need to be examined. Why weren't 128 00:07:15,521 --> 00:07:20,201 Speaker 6: the coroner's office released the autopsy photos? Pedophile policeman Paul 129 00:07:20,241 --> 00:07:22,881 Speaker 6: Reynolds was in charge of the case. Did he hand 130 00:07:22,921 --> 00:07:26,761 Speaker 6: over all of the evidence to the coroner? Joined the 131 00:07:26,801 --> 00:07:29,961 Speaker 6: Jackie Lamby Network and pod Shape and calling for transparency. 132 00:07:30,441 --> 00:07:33,721 Speaker 3: You know, we've asked questions for the forensic DNA's examinations 133 00:07:33,761 --> 00:07:36,281 Speaker 3: of the rope, you know Eden's movements, you know, and 134 00:07:36,281 --> 00:07:40,121 Speaker 3: there's just been procrastinating and delay and go slow on this, 135 00:07:40,481 --> 00:07:44,761 Speaker 3: and you know, I've spoken to some pretty educated people 136 00:07:44,801 --> 00:07:46,841 Speaker 3: and that doesn't even look like there was any mandatory 137 00:07:46,881 --> 00:07:51,201 Speaker 3: basic testing, Dunjay, you know, at what stage basis did 138 00:07:51,201 --> 00:07:54,641 Speaker 3: the local police determine if it was still sight being 139 00:07:54,681 --> 00:07:59,201 Speaker 3: mindful as listening to your podcast with there were witnesses 140 00:07:59,201 --> 00:08:01,121 Speaker 3: who police themselves set. 141 00:08:00,921 --> 00:08:05,681 Speaker 5: Down and confirmed found Eden. We know Eden was definitely 142 00:08:05,681 --> 00:08:06,721 Speaker 5: being groomed. For them not. 143 00:08:06,761 --> 00:08:10,961 Speaker 3: To look into her social media, not to seize her phone, 144 00:08:11,561 --> 00:08:14,321 Speaker 3: and even though I took her phone and I'll put 145 00:08:14,321 --> 00:08:15,081 Speaker 3: it in with it. 146 00:08:14,921 --> 00:08:16,961 Speaker 5: To be cremated, doesn't matter. 147 00:08:17,041 --> 00:08:19,841 Speaker 3: Jay, you can still as a police, as the police 148 00:08:19,921 --> 00:08:23,361 Speaker 3: investigating that, they can source that through Telstra, they can 149 00:08:23,401 --> 00:08:25,801 Speaker 3: get all of Eden's records, and if they can't, the 150 00:08:25,921 --> 00:08:26,521 Speaker 3: current acts. 151 00:08:26,401 --> 00:08:27,441 Speaker 5: Certainly has the power. 152 00:08:27,801 --> 00:08:30,801 Speaker 3: They was being groomed or abused, absolutely, Mate, and for 153 00:08:30,841 --> 00:08:33,801 Speaker 3: some reason they don't want us to know. And that's sickening, Mate, 154 00:08:33,801 --> 00:08:34,761 Speaker 3: because I don't. 155 00:08:34,561 --> 00:08:36,201 Speaker 5: Even want to put my mind in that thought. 156 00:08:36,521 --> 00:08:39,681 Speaker 3: But I'm pretty confident now Eden was definitely groomed and 157 00:08:39,721 --> 00:08:42,361 Speaker 3: there was evidence on a phone and someone knew it. 158 00:08:42,521 --> 00:08:45,921 Speaker 5: That's why it was protected. And the people that were grooming. 159 00:08:46,041 --> 00:08:48,001 Speaker 5: They're clearly protected pedophile. 160 00:08:48,081 --> 00:08:50,921 Speaker 3: Policeman Paul Reynolds was in charge of the case and 161 00:08:50,961 --> 00:08:53,001 Speaker 3: he did hand over all the evidence of a kinder 162 00:08:53,081 --> 00:08:57,361 Speaker 3: and he failed miserably and as her dad, that needs 163 00:08:57,401 --> 00:08:58,241 Speaker 3: to be sorted, Mate. 164 00:08:58,281 --> 00:09:00,041 Speaker 5: We need a whole new investigation with. 165 00:09:00,041 --> 00:09:02,281 Speaker 3: We've got to get the date of Eden's death right. 166 00:09:02,601 --> 00:09:06,081 Speaker 3: You can't just sprawl it all over to the the Coronial, 167 00:09:06,441 --> 00:09:10,681 Speaker 3: the Chief, the Court's networks, whatever they call it and 168 00:09:10,761 --> 00:09:13,361 Speaker 3: say Eden died on the seventeenth when it's wrong. The 169 00:09:13,441 --> 00:09:17,761 Speaker 3: Currenter's office say they get it right, reinvestigate. You've got 170 00:09:17,761 --> 00:09:20,441 Speaker 3: that wrong. Eden died on the eighteenth until I am up. 171 00:09:20,561 --> 00:09:23,361 Speaker 3: She argued with that older woman and you just didn't 172 00:09:23,361 --> 00:09:26,321 Speaker 3: even check Edan's movements. You weren't interested in Eden's movements 173 00:09:26,321 --> 00:09:29,121 Speaker 3: because you're rated off as suicide by nine o'clock that morning. 174 00:09:29,481 --> 00:09:32,881 Speaker 3: That this is me right off, Jay and I will 175 00:09:32,921 --> 00:09:36,401 Speaker 3: not stop fighting until we get it reopened and we 176 00:09:36,481 --> 00:09:38,601 Speaker 3: get to the truth. And you know me by now, Jay, 177 00:09:38,881 --> 00:09:41,521 Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere, mate, and laws Amanda, you know 178 00:09:41,921 --> 00:09:45,281 Speaker 3: it's hurting us, but we're not going to be the 179 00:09:45,401 --> 00:09:47,361 Speaker 3: third We're going to be powered by it. 180 00:09:47,521 --> 00:09:48,361 Speaker 5: If that makes sense. 181 00:09:48,401 --> 00:09:50,721 Speaker 3: You know, there's no strength without struggle, so we're just 182 00:09:50,761 --> 00:09:52,681 Speaker 3: going to use the struggle for strength. 183 00:09:52,721 --> 00:09:52,841 Speaker 5: Man. 184 00:09:53,921 --> 00:09:57,441 Speaker 6: Over seven five hundred people have signed the petition at 185 00:09:57,521 --> 00:10:01,481 Speaker 6: change dot org to have an open inquest into Eden's death. 186 00:10:01,841 --> 00:10:05,001 Speaker 6: We'll put a link to that petition in the show notes. 187 00:10:05,081 --> 00:10:08,681 Speaker 6: US millions have now heard the podcast, both in Australia 188 00:10:08,841 --> 00:10:12,441 Speaker 6: and across the world. Well, downloads are coming from the 189 00:10:12,521 --> 00:10:18,001 Speaker 6: USA and the UK. People like Jackie Lambe and her 190 00:10:18,041 --> 00:10:21,521 Speaker 6: party are starting to make more noise and more people 191 00:10:21,561 --> 00:10:22,601 Speaker 6: are starting to listen. 192 00:10:23,121 --> 00:10:23,681 Speaker 5: Jackie is one. 193 00:10:23,681 --> 00:10:27,001 Speaker 3: Hundred percent behind this. And you know, Jackie's been criticized 194 00:10:27,001 --> 00:10:30,481 Speaker 3: since she's come behind us as anyone that's come over 195 00:10:30,521 --> 00:10:31,721 Speaker 3: and supported. 196 00:10:31,281 --> 00:10:31,921 Speaker 5: Us in any way. 197 00:10:32,401 --> 00:10:35,521 Speaker 3: However, Jackie hasn't tarnished anyone, and she's not judging the 198 00:10:35,521 --> 00:10:36,441 Speaker 3: Tasmanian Police. 199 00:10:36,641 --> 00:10:38,561 Speaker 5: She just wants to fix it, mate, and that's a job. 200 00:10:38,721 --> 00:10:40,921 Speaker 3: She's there working for the people, with the people. 201 00:10:41,641 --> 00:10:43,401 Speaker 5: You're the lover or hater, and that's okay. 202 00:10:43,441 --> 00:10:45,041 Speaker 3: You the love of hate me, mate, I'm okay with 203 00:10:45,081 --> 00:10:45,521 Speaker 3: that too. 204 00:10:45,801 --> 00:10:47,761 Speaker 5: But she stands for what she believes in. 205 00:10:48,121 --> 00:10:51,201 Speaker 3: She believes us and what's happened she can see, look, 206 00:10:51,521 --> 00:10:54,961 Speaker 3: you read it, or you've probably had some paperwork recently, 207 00:10:54,961 --> 00:10:56,801 Speaker 3: because we've got a couple applications gone in. 208 00:10:56,881 --> 00:11:02,001 Speaker 7: Jay, They're really clear. It's really clear there's something went 209 00:11:02,041 --> 00:11:06,081 Speaker 7: wrong here. It's really clear there's been a ghost, slow delay, 210 00:11:06,121 --> 00:11:08,081 Speaker 7: procrastinate the Westbrook family. 211 00:11:08,241 --> 00:11:10,321 Speaker 5: I'm getting their answers. Eventually they'll go away. 212 00:11:10,761 --> 00:11:13,241 Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to work 213 00:11:13,281 --> 00:11:17,441 Speaker 3: out this was a botched investigation from the start. 214 00:11:17,481 --> 00:11:20,441 Speaker 5: And because I don't know, Jay, what goes through my 215 00:11:20,601 --> 00:11:24,721 Speaker 5: head is cruel. I reckon there's a cop out there, 216 00:11:24,761 --> 00:11:25,801 Speaker 5: police officer. 217 00:11:25,481 --> 00:11:27,961 Speaker 3: Buying at a bit mate to get involved and to 218 00:11:28,001 --> 00:11:30,241 Speaker 3: find out what happened to Eden, because they wear the 219 00:11:30,321 --> 00:11:32,721 Speaker 3: uniform with respect and integrity and honor. 220 00:11:35,041 --> 00:11:37,721 Speaker 6: Across the last year, so many of you have written 221 00:11:37,761 --> 00:11:41,241 Speaker 6: in with information or support for Jason and Amanda and 222 00:11:41,281 --> 00:11:44,281 Speaker 6: their family. Some people have had similar stories, and some 223 00:11:44,441 --> 00:11:46,841 Speaker 6: just want the family to know they're there for them. 224 00:11:46,961 --> 00:11:49,681 Speaker 8: I have been listening to your podcast and I just 225 00:11:49,721 --> 00:11:53,081 Speaker 8: finished the episode where Eden's sister spoke about seeing her 226 00:11:53,321 --> 00:11:57,681 Speaker 8: and putting makeup on her at the funeral home. I 227 00:11:57,721 --> 00:12:01,321 Speaker 8: am a funeral director and often I have families ask 228 00:12:01,441 --> 00:12:03,441 Speaker 8: me if they can dress or put makeup on their 229 00:12:03,481 --> 00:12:04,001 Speaker 8: loved one. 230 00:12:04,241 --> 00:12:04,401 Speaker 3: Hi. 231 00:12:04,521 --> 00:12:06,961 Speaker 9: I stumbled across this podcast yesterday and I have not 232 00:12:06,961 --> 00:12:10,001 Speaker 9: been able to stop listening. Currently listening to episode twenty one. 233 00:12:10,121 --> 00:12:12,041 Speaker 9: I grew up in Saint Helen's in my younger years 234 00:12:12,121 --> 00:12:12,521 Speaker 9: until I. 235 00:12:12,481 --> 00:12:13,681 Speaker 3: Was seventeen and moved h right. 236 00:12:13,761 --> 00:12:15,281 Speaker 6: Please keep my name anonymous. 237 00:12:15,361 --> 00:12:16,281 Speaker 1: You probably know this. 238 00:12:16,441 --> 00:12:16,761 Speaker 4: Bye. 239 00:12:16,961 --> 00:12:20,561 Speaker 9: Congratulations on the podcast. Great job on a tragic event 240 00:12:21,121 --> 00:12:23,481 Speaker 9: as a local on the East Coast. I listened with 241 00:12:23,601 --> 00:12:26,201 Speaker 9: great interest as I was living away for work at 242 00:12:26,241 --> 00:12:29,881 Speaker 9: the time and only heard bits and pieces from family members. 243 00:12:30,321 --> 00:12:31,921 Speaker 9: As I listened, I could not get. 244 00:12:31,841 --> 00:12:34,681 Speaker 6: We've been speaking with Jason and Amanda recently about doing 245 00:12:34,681 --> 00:12:37,681 Speaker 6: a live version of the podcast on video, a chance 246 00:12:37,721 --> 00:12:39,961 Speaker 6: for you to join in on the show and contribute 247 00:12:40,041 --> 00:12:42,641 Speaker 6: a question or two, or maybe just offer your support. 248 00:12:43,241 --> 00:12:46,241 Speaker 6: We've started a guest list for this one off video show. 249 00:12:46,921 --> 00:12:49,641 Speaker 6: We can only accept one hundred guests so far, and 250 00:12:49,681 --> 00:12:53,521 Speaker 6: a recording in the next few weeks in the early evening, 251 00:12:53,761 --> 00:12:56,081 Speaker 6: So if you're interested, then you can join the wait 252 00:12:56,121 --> 00:12:59,401 Speaker 6: list in the show notes. Seven and a half thousand 253 00:12:59,401 --> 00:13:03,961 Speaker 6: people have signed a petition around a public inquiry into 254 00:13:04,121 --> 00:13:06,881 Speaker 6: Eden's death, and that's from the podcast. We've had millions 255 00:13:06,921 --> 00:13:11,441 Speaker 6: of downloads and next week you, Jane, actually get to 256 00:13:11,841 --> 00:13:16,081 Speaker 6: chance to meet with the Attorney General. What are you 257 00:13:16,161 --> 00:13:17,081 Speaker 6: hoping in that meeting? 258 00:13:17,841 --> 00:13:23,921 Speaker 1: Well, we're friends, so I'm hoping for benefits. Friends with benefits. 259 00:13:23,961 --> 00:13:26,121 Speaker 1: I want God to hold my hand through this process 260 00:13:26,161 --> 00:13:29,121 Speaker 1: from this point forward. That's what I wanted to do 261 00:13:29,441 --> 00:13:32,801 Speaker 1: because I'm hurt and I'm upset, and I'm teary, and 262 00:13:33,441 --> 00:13:34,241 Speaker 1: I need your help. 263 00:13:34,401 --> 00:13:38,521 Speaker 4: Look, since I'll ask conversations Jay god By that and 264 00:13:38,641 --> 00:13:42,041 Speaker 4: pe in Tasmania has personally rung us and he's had 265 00:13:42,041 --> 00:13:44,441 Speaker 4: a discussion with a manner about meeting up to discuss 266 00:13:45,441 --> 00:13:47,881 Speaker 4: Eden's affairs and what he can do to help. So 267 00:13:47,921 --> 00:13:50,641 Speaker 4: that's one step in the right direction. I am aware 268 00:13:50,641 --> 00:13:53,521 Speaker 4: he's a politician and if they sometimes tell you what 269 00:13:53,561 --> 00:13:56,281 Speaker 4: you want to hear. But I think we're a little 270 00:13:56,281 --> 00:13:57,241 Speaker 4: bit further than that. 271 00:13:57,401 --> 00:13:59,881 Speaker 3: So, as Amanda says, she wants him to hold her 272 00:13:59,881 --> 00:14:03,321 Speaker 3: hand and help us get through to getting Eden's case 273 00:14:03,361 --> 00:14:07,121 Speaker 3: and in question, to Eden's step. So we go there Wednesday, 274 00:14:07,801 --> 00:14:11,161 Speaker 3: and we're a meeting guy, and we're. 275 00:14:10,921 --> 00:14:14,401 Speaker 1: On the front foot too, because we actually have every 276 00:14:14,441 --> 00:14:19,441 Speaker 1: single document that has been sent out or received. Now 277 00:14:19,761 --> 00:14:23,321 Speaker 1: the police don't have that, The coroner doesn't have that, 278 00:14:24,041 --> 00:14:28,201 Speaker 1: the health system doesn't have that. Who else needs to 279 00:14:28,241 --> 00:14:30,521 Speaker 1: have that? But we have it all And when you 280 00:14:30,561 --> 00:14:33,081 Speaker 1: read it from start to finish, the last nine and 281 00:14:33,081 --> 00:14:38,081 Speaker 1: a half years, I'm so sickened, physically sickened by what 282 00:14:38,161 --> 00:14:39,481 Speaker 1: I have to go back and read that. 283 00:14:40,881 --> 00:14:44,561 Speaker 3: Well, that's where I goes delay, procrastinate to day. It's 284 00:14:44,601 --> 00:14:47,081 Speaker 3: so evident in reading the nine and a half years 285 00:14:47,121 --> 00:14:50,201 Speaker 3: of paperwork, you know, because we've had to dive deep 286 00:14:50,521 --> 00:14:53,561 Speaker 3: into emails that were spent from twenty fifteen all the 287 00:14:53,561 --> 00:14:56,961 Speaker 3: way to twenty twenty four getting our timeline right. And 288 00:14:57,001 --> 00:15:01,481 Speaker 3: when you read our timeline, now, yeah, wow, day. 289 00:15:01,481 --> 00:15:04,001 Speaker 1: You've really got to feel sorry for these people, these 290 00:15:04,041 --> 00:15:08,161 Speaker 1: two people, because looking back at making work, but looking 291 00:15:08,201 --> 00:15:11,281 Speaker 1: back at the paperwork, I didn't have a clue what 292 00:15:11,401 --> 00:15:13,961 Speaker 1: I was embarking on. I didn't know the rules, I 293 00:15:14,001 --> 00:15:17,201 Speaker 1: didn't know the law, and I had to just trust 294 00:15:17,241 --> 00:15:22,481 Speaker 1: these people and they just took all me honesty and 295 00:15:23,201 --> 00:15:27,561 Speaker 1: genuine and sincerity and just threw it on the ground 296 00:15:27,561 --> 00:15:33,521 Speaker 1: and stomped on it. Yeah, I'm feeling quite hurt, and 297 00:15:33,601 --> 00:15:36,681 Speaker 1: I don't feel hurt very often because I don't like 298 00:15:37,001 --> 00:15:40,041 Speaker 1: to hurt in return, And I know that hurt. People hurt, 299 00:15:40,041 --> 00:15:43,281 Speaker 1: so I have to keep consciously thinking about not trying 300 00:15:43,321 --> 00:15:48,161 Speaker 1: to inflict any hurt just in general. So yeah, it's 301 00:15:48,161 --> 00:15:52,321 Speaker 1: a really poinstious path that Jason and I have walked. Actually, 302 00:15:52,401 --> 00:15:54,721 Speaker 1: all the decisions that we've ever made for our children 303 00:15:54,761 --> 00:15:58,641 Speaker 1: has been a conscious decision, So it's nothing new for us. 304 00:15:58,881 --> 00:16:02,281 Speaker 1: Have your conscience so clear. I don't know how they're sweeping. 305 00:16:06,481 --> 00:16:09,201 Speaker 6: There is more that sits around the periphery of this case. 306 00:16:09,361 --> 00:16:13,681 Speaker 6: We recently saw who questioned the recent WASE report into 307 00:16:13,721 --> 00:16:17,121 Speaker 6: Paul Reynolds and why the terms of reference didn't also 308 00:16:17,201 --> 00:16:20,241 Speaker 6: look into other officers like the one on the East 309 00:16:20,281 --> 00:16:24,121 Speaker 6: Coast too, allegedly let's people of traffic offenses in return 310 00:16:24,201 --> 00:16:28,121 Speaker 6: for sexual favors. We've heard these stories in previous episodes 311 00:16:28,161 --> 00:16:33,241 Speaker 6: of the podcast. Recently, Carey Amber Wilson wrote a report 312 00:16:33,401 --> 00:16:37,481 Speaker 6: with someone coming forward, an anonymous senior ranking police officer. 313 00:16:37,801 --> 00:16:40,361 Speaker 6: He also slammed that Weete review. 314 00:16:40,761 --> 00:16:43,641 Speaker 9: Congratulations to them for talking to so many people. 315 00:16:43,761 --> 00:16:46,321 Speaker 6: We've used an AI generated voice to read his words 316 00:16:46,361 --> 00:16:48,961 Speaker 6: taken directly from the Hobart Mercury report. 317 00:16:49,641 --> 00:16:52,441 Speaker 9: But if you actually strip all of the storytelling away. 318 00:16:52,841 --> 00:16:56,321 Speaker 9: You have a report now that says Australia's worst police 319 00:16:56,361 --> 00:17:01,001 Speaker 9: serial pedophile happened in Tasmania, but nobody, not one person 320 00:17:01,121 --> 00:17:04,721 Speaker 9: is accountable for one thing except Paul Reynolds. What was 321 00:17:04,721 --> 00:17:07,521 Speaker 9: the skal and the scope of victim numbers known to 322 00:17:07,641 --> 00:17:12,120 Speaker 9: Tasmania Police when they recommended an independent inquiry? If they 323 00:17:12,201 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 9: knew it was numbered in tens and tens of people, 324 00:17:15,281 --> 00:17:18,321 Speaker 9: Why on earth was an independent inquiry with no powers 325 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,321 Speaker 9: the preferred mechanism to examine that? 326 00:17:20,561 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 6: He said the reviews terms of reference were written so 327 00:17:23,281 --> 00:17:27,121 Speaker 6: narrowly that certain questions were not required to be asked 328 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 6: the police. 329 00:17:28,120 --> 00:17:31,321 Speaker 9: I'm speaking to a flabbergasted that a pedophile now with 330 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,201 Speaker 9: over fifty victims over thirty years, has not been subject 331 00:17:35,281 --> 00:17:38,201 Speaker 9: to a formal Commission of inquiry investigation. 332 00:17:38,801 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 6: He also said that other members of the force needed 333 00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,361 Speaker 6: to be held accountable over the Reynolds scandal. 334 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 9: How could we have Australia's worst police serial pedophile and 335 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,881 Speaker 9: there's no formal inquiry and no one is responsible for anything. 336 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,360 Speaker 6: I'll leave you with Jason Amanda's final thoughts on the 337 00:17:55,400 --> 00:18:00,281 Speaker 6: responses they've been getting so far from all of their inquiries. 338 00:18:00,321 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 5: Because it's all just predictable. 339 00:18:01,921 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 3: It's the same format. Kron has made a decision to 340 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 3: determine this edende to suicide. Nothing looks at it here, Folks, 341 00:18:08,041 --> 00:18:09,001 Speaker 3: wash your hands, westbooks. 342 00:18:09,001 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 10: Dissatisfied grieving parents. We're not satisfied grieving parents day. We're 343 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 10: parents that need to know the truth on what happened 344 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 10: to their daughter the night a good kid went out 345 00:18:20,801 --> 00:18:21,721 Speaker 10: and met up with the. 346 00:18:21,721 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 3: Wrong crowd and she ends up dead the next day. 347 00:18:24,801 --> 00:18:27,521 Speaker 3: That's alarming. And any parent has the right to know 348 00:18:28,001 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 3: when your child was with people that are unsavory and 349 00:18:31,561 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 3: wakes up and we wake up the next day to 350 00:18:33,561 --> 00:18:36,001 Speaker 3: her to ceazed or them to seize the parent has 351 00:18:36,001 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 3: the right to know exactly what happened. And as to 352 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,440 Speaker 3: the current, a hole in those autopsy photos mate for 353 00:18:40,561 --> 00:18:42,801 Speaker 3: the coroner that's office to think they own them and 354 00:18:42,921 --> 00:18:45,321 Speaker 3: the parents can't obtain them to have a look at, 355 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,521 Speaker 3: give to a forensic pathologist. That act has to change, 356 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 3: Legislation has to change. Currents have too much power because 357 00:18:53,241 --> 00:18:58,601 Speaker 3: we as families, we have the right to have experts 358 00:18:59,001 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 3: look at our children's or topsy photos or our loved ones. 359 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 3: No person should have the power to hold that back, 360 00:19:06,041 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 3: and if they do, that's dangerous. 361 00:19:09,481 --> 00:19:14,241 Speaker 1: The system is broken, and yeah, we feel broken at times, 362 00:19:15,041 --> 00:19:18,281 Speaker 1: but I'll break the system more before the system will 363 00:19:18,321 --> 00:19:23,001 Speaker 1: break me. I have no intention of letting the system 364 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:26,401 Speaker 1: carry on the way it is after dealing with her 365 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:32,441 Speaker 1: like they have. Someone's so precious, so intelligent, so much 366 00:19:32,481 --> 00:19:35,881 Speaker 1: to give, and they just suck the life right out 367 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:40,321 Speaker 1: of people. Yeah, it's uncivil and it's unacceptable.