Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray live Cana.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Thank you so much for watching. Come on
Speaker 2: into the man Cave for the end of a hunt day.
Speaker 1: Your week's almost over, Not really, but you can get my
Speaker 1: point all right.
Speaker 2: We are on air all over the country, but we
Speaker 2: are specifically on air Fredaware in regional Australia, and I
Speaker 2: know we are in and around the Mid North.
Speaker 1: Coast of New South Wales.
Speaker 2: Before we get to the politics, and there'll be plenty
Speaker 2: of that, it will get to the emergency situation that
Speaker 2: is unfolding as we speak. We have learned today that
Speaker 2: up to fifty thousand residents and lots of little places
Speaker 2: and big ones as well up and down the Mid
Speaker 2: North coast, they are in a world of trouble right now.
Speaker 1: Tare has been a particular focus.
Speaker 2: And I know that there was some concern today that
Speaker 2: all of the people who needed to be rescued, including
Speaker 2: people off roofs, may not have been so by the
Speaker 2: fall of the sun and into the evening this evening
Speaker 2: here is part of those that had been able to
Speaker 2: be contacted in and around Tarre tonight.
Speaker 3: We just really want to get some rescue out here
Speaker 3: and you know our neighbors here on.
Speaker 4: The background are here.
Speaker 1: They are also trended.
Speaker 2: It was in well In and it's now well over
Speaker 2: a meter high through the.
Speaker 3: House and the river has been constantly rising for the
Speaker 3: last forty eight hours and is well over six meters
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: As for the emergency response which is still playing out
Speaker 2: in this part of Australia, the Mid North Coast is
Speaker 2: of course very large area. While technically in and around
Speaker 2: places like Port mcquarie, Kempsey up to Coffs Harbor, yes, Tarre,
Speaker 2: everything from little places like Nambuca Heads all the way
Speaker 2: through to other areas. Again, this is the latest map
Speaker 2: that we have for you here, so I know there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people watching us from caravan parks like
Speaker 2: Valley Beach all the way through two big centers like
Speaker 2: places like Tare, Kempsey and all the rest. So the
Speaker 2: latest in a moment from the sees from the Emergency
Speaker 2: Services Minister in New South Wales today Jihad.
Speaker 1: Did this was his latest information.
Speaker 4: We expect that today's weather will also continue with predictions
Speaker 4: of between one hundred and fifty and two hundred millimeters,
Speaker 4: particularly in that Mid North Coast area and what we're
Speaker 4: also seeing is a movement of that rainband further north,
Speaker 4: starting impact into parts southern parts around the Crops Harbor area.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk again about this rain where it's been
Speaker 2: huge amounts of it on top of already very wet land,
Speaker 2: and like it was with the Lismore floods years ago, obviously,
Speaker 2: when there is no rain being able to be absorbed
Speaker 2: by the ground, it literally just turns to glass and
Speaker 2: obviously makes its way up from.
Speaker 1: The rivers down from the hills.
Speaker 2: And there's plenty of hills around this area as well,
Speaker 2: so that's kind of what we're dealing with right now.
Speaker 2: This is the latest when it comes to the weather
Speaker 2: situation for the next of the war.
Speaker 5: We've already seen the peak in the Patterson River and
Speaker 5: that is easy now, while Wallumby Brook at Bolger may
Speaker 5: reach the major level tomorrow morning, but it's further north
Speaker 5: that I've got greater concerns the Hastings River and the
Speaker 5: Nanbucker River. Both of them are either at major level
Speaker 5: such as Warhope or likely to reach major such as Maxville,
Speaker 5: but with the rain that is still forecast, those two
Speaker 5: rivers may also follow suit with Tare and get up
Speaker 5: to at least close to that record flood height, depending
Speaker 5: on the rain that is still to come in those regions.
Speaker 2: Colin Malone is with the State Emergency Service in New
Speaker 2: South Wales and let's get the latest information from him.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Anyone who's driven up and down the Pacific Highway as
Speaker 2: it has been over the years knows that it's so
Speaker 2: still quite a significant amount of countryside from Tarre to Coffs. Colin,
Speaker 2: what's the latest about what's happen, Because again I'm able
Speaker 2: to hurt yourself or one of your colleagues on the
Speaker 2: radio this afternoon with this concern in and around the
Speaker 2: number of evacuations or rescues that you had to get
Speaker 2: done before it turned to nightfall. What's it like, Well,
Speaker 2: a few hours into the night.
Speaker 6: Now, Good evening, Paul, and good evening to all your
Speaker 6: viewers and listeners joining us tonight. We had confirmed in
Speaker 6: the early afternoon before the night you started that all
Speaker 6: people that were on roofs that needed to be rescued
Speaker 6: had been rescued. There's a few final people that are
Speaker 6: being followed up on and checked up on in the
Speaker 6: Tari and glen Thorne area. Just to make sure because
Speaker 6: sometimes we get duplicate calls come through. But we're spending
Speaker 6: the early part of the tonight just double checking with
Speaker 6: all the people, getting contact with them, making sure that
Speaker 6: we did get everyone out. It was a dynamic situation,
Speaker 6: as I think we've all seen on the news, that
Speaker 6: we'd go into a resident it called and then a
Speaker 6: whole street of residents was still there, and we worked
Speaker 6: with them to get them out safely as well. So
Speaker 6: the numbers that were pulled out were beyond the fifty
Speaker 6: two that we originally thought that we're still in there.
Speaker 6: We actually conducted three hundred and seventy nine flood rescues
Speaker 6: in the last twenty four hours. It's been a massive
Speaker 6: twenty four hours for all the emergency services and our volunteers.
Speaker 2: I'm just looking here at one of the maps, and
Speaker 2: obviously there's the coastal areas, that's where most of the
Speaker 2: people are, but there are little townships and a lot
Speaker 2: of people living on large parts of land by themselves.
Speaker 2: The further we start to go in now, when you've
Speaker 2: only got so many people, how do you start to
Speaker 2: triage to say, Okay, let's deal with tare, let's deal
Speaker 2: with Maxville up the road. Let's deal with Nambuka, But
Speaker 2: then what about a place like war Hoope, what about
Speaker 2: places that are a little further in that presumably those
Speaker 2: volunteers may well be not in those towns. How have
Speaker 2: you been able to surge the people inland?
Speaker 6: So we've had in that part of the world over
Speaker 6: one thy six hundred volunteers operational and active through the
Speaker 6: day and continuing into the night. We've got all of
Speaker 6: our emergency service partners working with us on this operation.
Speaker 6: So we've got extra flood rescue crews from Ambulance, Fire
Speaker 6: and Rescue, Volunteer Rescue Association, some from the Rural Fire
Speaker 6: Service as well. So the whole we're taking a whole
Speaker 6: of state approach here where we work together under the
Speaker 6: sees's leadership, and we're pre deploying those into all those communities.
Speaker 6: So assets were put into that risk communities. We didn't
Speaker 6: just put them all in one location. We spread them
Speaker 6: around those A risk communities.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So okay, so let's talk about the picture through the
Speaker 2: night and into tomorrow, matching where the rain is and
Speaker 2: in our own people on our weather channel here is
Speaker 2: starting to say that you know, the further we Go
Speaker 2: is where potentially we might be in the next twenty
Speaker 2: four hours. Give me an idea about the coverage plan
Speaker 2: for the next twenty four hours.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so what we're looking at over the next twenty
Speaker 6: four hours is definitely the rain spreading up to about
Speaker 6: the Coffs Harbor area. So we've got evacuation orders in
Speaker 6: place for Kempsei, for Gladstone, for Smithtown, parts of Nembuka,
Speaker 6: Jerseyville in that general area as well, and a number
Speaker 6: of those other localities north of the Maning and the Hastings.
Speaker 6: So moving all the way up the coast to about
Speaker 6: that Coffs Harbor area. We've got two incident control centers
Speaker 6: running twenty four to seven in that part of the world,
Speaker 6: so one in that Hunter mid North Coast area and
Speaker 6: another one that actually operates out of Lizmore but it
Speaker 6: covers down to that Cofts Harbor area. So a lot
Speaker 6: of resources are focused on the coast tonight, and we've
Speaker 6: got a lot of warnings out and all those communities
Speaker 6: are being engaged with.
Speaker 1: So give me an idea.
Speaker 2: I'm just again trying to think about people that are
Speaker 2: watching us in places like tar Re. Again, I'm just
Speaker 2: looking here at Kempsey up to Coffs. There's a lot
Speaker 2: of people that when they're evacuated, they go to these
Speaker 2: evacuation centers. Is the expectation about the flood movement, the
Speaker 2: rainfall and what comes in towards the coast that anyone
Speaker 2: in those places should expect to be there for just
Speaker 2: tonight or a couple of nights.
Speaker 6: I think everyone needs to prepare for at least a
Speaker 6: few nights away from home. It's so hard to understand,
Speaker 6: particularly we look at what occurred on the river in
Speaker 6: tari We broke the nineteen twenty nine record overnight last night.
Speaker 6: So the mother nature and the weather has just continued
Speaker 6: to be relentless. The best known plans and the best
Speaker 6: known records that we have got exceeded. So we're watching
Speaker 6: and monitoring as close as possible. As soon as we
Speaker 6: can and give the all clear for people to go
Speaker 6: into back home, we will. But I think everyone should
Speaker 6: plan for being a couple of nights away from home
Speaker 6: as a minimum.
Speaker 2: All right, If anyone needs information, the number is obvious
Speaker 2: behind you, one to five hundred. But can I just
Speaker 2: say to all of the people, a lot are volunteers
Speaker 2: in your organization for those of us that are sitting
Speaker 2: back not involved in the emergency, we thank you for
Speaker 2: the effort.
Speaker 1: We know the energy levels.
Speaker 2: Are always hard to keep up, but the spirit is
Speaker 2: always there. A great job you have been able to
Speaker 2: mobilize in the past couple of days, and obviously I
Speaker 2: hope that the work gets easier, although we know it
Speaker 2: probably won't in the next few days. Thank you so much, mate,
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
Speaker 6: Thank you, Paul, have a wonderful night. Everybody.
Speaker 1: Good on your Colin. Thank you Colin.
Speaker 2: Of course there with the ses now again this coverage area.
Speaker 2: Can we bring the map back please from the start
Speaker 2: of the show. I'm just looking at the rain radar
Speaker 2: that is right now very heavy falls are everywhere from
Speaker 2: say Kempsey all the way through up to looking here
Speaker 2: year past Coughs Harbor, even up to Wooleye. And in
Speaker 2: terms of it going in, well, yeah it is. It
Speaker 2: is into Dorigo right now. It is, as you can see,
Speaker 2: quite widespread and because as you can also see to
Speaker 2: the write of your screen, there the amount of water
Speaker 2: that these things are able to produce and then turn
Speaker 2: around and dump when it gets back onto the coastline.
Speaker 2: That is part of the problem of the next little wall.
Speaker 2: Strength and love to everyone. Now we are, of course
Speaker 2: part of the emergency information system for people in those areas.
Speaker 2: If anything changes in this hour, That's what I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about over any and everything else. In the meantime,
Speaker 2: please keep an eye on sky News dot com dot au,
Speaker 2: keep a look at the sees website, the Hazard's website
Speaker 2: or hazards near me in New South Wales, and we'll
Speaker 2: make sure again all the information possible and rolling weather
Speaker 2: coverage over on sky News Weather in the meantime. Couple
Speaker 2: of other things before we get to the politics of
Speaker 2: the day now. Of course, yesterday the Reserve Bank decided
Speaker 2: to make things easier for those of us that are
Speaker 2: desperately trying to pay off a house as fast as
Speaker 2: we possibly can. Now, yes, we've had two drops, but
Speaker 2: remember there were thirteen ups, so the collective pain is
Speaker 2: still eleven interest rate rises on the average Australian. Now
Speaker 2: interestingly today real estate dot com dot Au they decided
Speaker 2: to go and check with every lending institution they could
Speaker 2: think of, and they're found seventy five institutions that have
Speaker 2: not handed on the rate cut in full.
Speaker 1: These are some.
Speaker 2: The full list is on that website of real estate
Speaker 2: dot com dot Au, Adelaide Bank, Australian Unity, the Bank
Speaker 2: of China, Bendigo Bank, Mortgage House, Quantus Money, Yellow Brick
Speaker 2: Road are some of those institutions that have decided not
Speaker 2: to pass it on, which opens up to the possibility
Speaker 2: of Australians being able to refinance.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Remember we lived in real time over the past three years.
Speaker 2: The number of people who were moving from fixed rate
Speaker 2: mortgages which were at the lower levels to the variables
Speaker 2: which started to well in real terms, start to feel
Speaker 2: like they were going through the roof. Now as things
Speaker 2: start to slightly stabilize, or you might be moving again
Speaker 2: from that fixed rate to the variable. The old shop
Speaker 2: around principle put simply as it was put today. In
Speaker 2: a conversation with real estate dot com dot Au Graham
Speaker 2: Cook from the financial website Finder, he says that even
Speaker 2: if if the full rate cut isn't passed on by
Speaker 2: your current lender, the competitive environment means there will likely
Speaker 2: be better deals available elsewhere. This makes refinancing crucial for homeowners
Speaker 2: looking to maximize their savings. I know that's obvious, obvious,
Speaker 2: but rather important you do not have to pay loyalty
Speaker 2: tax to financial institutions who, let's be honest, couldn't care less.
Speaker 2: Now we know that, regardless of the day, regardless of
Speaker 2: the circumstances, regardless of whether there is or isn't calamity
Speaker 2: in the news, there is one topic that the left
Speaker 2: of Australian politics loves to talk about.
Speaker 1: Climate change.
Speaker 7: Climate change, climate change, climate change, change, climate change, climate change,
Speaker 7: climate change.
Speaker 2: And after the federal election, the boss of the Labor
Speaker 2: Party was saying to all who would listen today that
Speaker 2: they have won the climate wars.
Speaker 8: In the decade before twenty twenty two, Australia's policy settings
Speaker 8: barely acknowledged climate.
Speaker 1: Change and there was no plan for keeping the lights on.
Speaker 8: Now we are taking advantage of the opportunities created by
Speaker 8: the global shift to renewables. And as the Prime Minister
Speaker 8: said at our launch, Labor has one energy policy and
Speaker 8: we are delivering it the.
Speaker 1: Truest of true believers.
Speaker 2: But history is written written by the winners right and
Speaker 2: as we know over the past three years, and a
Speaker 2: great plan of the next three years is to ruin
Speaker 2: the earth to save the atmosphere renewables, many of which
Speaker 2: in China by slave labor sh don't tell you one.
Speaker 2: Many renewables dotting all up and down the coast that
Speaker 2: eventually will end up in landfill, don't tell you one. Or,
Speaker 2: as our colleague and friend Chris Hulman tollas in his
Speaker 2: documentary The Real Cost of Net Zero, something that you
Speaker 2: can expect to be coming to a location near you,
Speaker 2: especially if you have a view of trees.
Speaker 9: Stephen has used his training as a cartographer to map
Speaker 9: the number of wind and solar farms that will need
Speaker 9: to be built on the national electricity market to hit
Speaker 9: the government targets, stretching from far North Queensland, through New
Speaker 9: South Wales, Victoria west to Port Lincoln in South Australia
Speaker 9: and across the Bass Strait to Tasmania.
Speaker 1: But what are you talking about, Paul?
Speaker 2: Election has been won by Labor one by ninety three seats.
Speaker 2: No discussion at all. Cost of transition doesn't matter anymore
Speaker 2: War one. That's not the point that I'm trying to make.
Speaker 2: As we know, Australia is the big dog of the
Speaker 2: countries in the Pacific. We prop up many countries in
Speaker 2: and around the Pacific Islands, and a subject which Australia
Speaker 2: is more than willing to take the free advice in
Speaker 2: exchange for not free amounts of money. Is when it
Speaker 2: comes to climate change in this part of the world.
Speaker 7: I'm very pleased to have the engagement with our friends
Speaker 7: from throughout the Pacific, including how we shape a peaceful,
Speaker 7: stable and secure Pacific region, how we act together on
Speaker 7: the challenge of climate change.
Speaker 2: So that was just for anyone who was just having
Speaker 2: trouble drifting off to sleep now here and now hopefully
Speaker 2: they've gone, they're relaxed on an excitement machine. Only three
Speaker 2: seats is of course, the reality is that even if
Speaker 2: Australia did every single thing that people like anam band
Speaker 2: would dream of, every single thing, they wouldn't even verbalize
Speaker 2: in terms of climate action, we won't change the climate.
Speaker 1: We can do our bit, but we won't change the climate.
Speaker 2: Why because, according to the Union of Concerned Scientists, Australia
Speaker 2: produces just one percent of the world's climate emissions. Let's
Speaker 2: look at this as if it was a clock. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's start at midday at the top. Well, of course,
Speaker 2: China is the biggest polluter. They don't have net zero. Instead,
Speaker 2: they have ned zero twenty sixty, but of course they
Speaker 2: are continuing to pollute each and every day. The rest
Speaker 2: of the world, which takes up the rest of the
Speaker 2: half of the clock, well, they of course don't have
Speaker 2: all the same rules that apply to them as we
Speaker 2: try to apply to ourselves. There's the United States, which
Speaker 2: is taking us to about twenty minutes before the top
Speaker 2: of the hour, and of course the Trump administration has
Speaker 2: pulled out of things like the Paris Agreement.
Speaker 1: Then therese country is.
Speaker 2: Like India with more than a billion people, and what
Speaker 2: it's almost quarter two now before of course we can
Speaker 2: say get to Russia.
Speaker 1: So before you get to forty.
Speaker 2: Five minutes past the climate clock, you can pretty much
Speaker 2: say that none of those countries are involved in the solution.
Speaker 2: It's said, apparently it is the little one percent waffer,
Speaker 2: the waffer at about five minutes to midnight Australia that
Speaker 2: is apparently the one that has to do everything to
Speaker 2: change everything, despite the fact that even if we did
Speaker 2: every single thing that every single green could possibly dream of,
Speaker 2: guess what, in just over two weeks, China would completely
Speaker 2: continue to pollute the planet by everything that Australia would
Speaker 2: have saved. Why am I talking about this tonight because
Speaker 2: in a this way, do you think I'd learned by now?
Speaker 2: A rare dose of honesty about climate change? Penny Wang
Speaker 2: told Pacific Island leaders that China might actually be the
Speaker 2: biggest problem when it comes to climate change, not Australia.
Speaker 2: Pennywang called out China as the world's leading contributed to
Speaker 2: climate change as she defended Australia's efforts to cut emissions
Speaker 2: on the first day of a Pacific trip. Foreign minister
Speaker 2: was in Fiji on Tuesday, when she was pressed about
Speaker 2: whether a reelected Abanzi government would commit to deeper climate action,
Speaker 2: Defending Australia's substantial effort.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: Then she says, China is the world's biggest emitter. Its
Speaker 2: actions will determine whether we can achieve our target. Ding
Speaker 2: ding ding ding ding ding ding.
Speaker 1: The truth.
Speaker 2: Even if every single climate catastrophus in Australia got exactly
Speaker 2: what they wanted. We pulled out all of the cables,
Speaker 2: we shut down all of the machines, we filled in
Speaker 2: all of the holes that are there in mining, China
Speaker 2: would replace everything that we had saved in just sixteen days.
Speaker 2: Australia's one percent cannot overpower the polluting power of more
Speaker 2: than a third of global emissions, that being China. Yet,
Speaker 2: for some reason to say this is heresy, for some
Speaker 2: reason to say this says.
Speaker 1: That you deny climate change, for.
Speaker 2: Some reason to say this says that you're some sort
Speaker 2: of knuckle dragger from the past.
Speaker 1: No, should Australia do its bit? You bet you. But
Speaker 1: if we are going through all of the trouble we.
Speaker 2: Are currently going through to cut forty three percent of
Speaker 2: one percent of the problem, and there are Labor Party
Speaker 2: activists who would like us to cut seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of one percent of the world's problem, when will any
Speaker 2: of them admit.
Speaker 1: That Penny Wang is right that.
Speaker 2: Even if we do everything they want to do, with
Speaker 2: all of the pain, all of the change, all of
Speaker 2: the disruption that comes with it, all of the rewarding
Speaker 2: of slave labor in China, we would still end up
Speaker 2: in a scenario where we would not be able to
Speaker 2: change the weather.
Speaker 1: But because now many people in.
Speaker 2: Our societies believe in the environment more than they do God,
Speaker 2: and I say this as an atheist. Once people start
Speaker 2: getting into these levels of belief, were even to point
Speaker 2: out the fact that we are one percent of the
Speaker 2: world's problem, and their conclusion is, well, then that's Great's
Speaker 2: let's shut everything down and let's solve one percent of
Speaker 2: the world's problem. They still need to understand that it
Speaker 2: doesn't change the weather, it won't change the global pliant.
Speaker 2: It will serve as a model, yes, but think of
Speaker 2: the pain we have to go through to just set
Speaker 2: an example. TNA know what you think about that or
Speaker 2: anything else you can see me an email Pault's go
Speaker 2: news dot com, dot au. Let's get to the National
Speaker 2: Party and its decision, of course to step away from
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, the coalition that is now of course
Speaker 2: in TATUS a person who knows what it's like to
Speaker 2: be in the leadership position of a coalition is, of
Speaker 2: course the former Deputy Prime Minister, former Nationals leader and
Speaker 2: a straight talker as always Michael McCormack, who joins us
Speaker 2: twenty four hours after that decision, but he was in
Speaker 2: the room as the decision was being made yesterday. Michael,
Speaker 2: nice to talk to you mate. Where are we tonight?
Speaker 2: I like the background.
Speaker 3: I'm in Bounding Community Hall and you'd love you need
Speaker 3: to come out to this community Paul. We've had a
Speaker 3: protest meeting tonight talking about ninety wind towers higher than
Speaker 3: the Trump Manhattan Tower, which are going to be placed
Speaker 3: potentially between and bidenl on too great little communities in
Speaker 3: the Yas Valley. This is the rush to renewables madness.
Speaker 3: This is what these communities are facing. And one hundred
Speaker 3: and forty people turn out tonight to hear just how
Speaker 3: their liveability, their wonderful little communities are going to be
Speaker 3: so badly affected. Now, Chris Baren might have a mandate
Speaker 3: because they've just won the election, but he doesn't have
Speaker 3: a mandate to ruin regional Australia and we will stand
Speaker 3: up to him every day of the week in regards
Speaker 3: to this rush to renewables madness.
Speaker 2: So, given the ability of standing on your own two
Speaker 2: feet or being in a partnership, what is a more
Speaker 2: effective way of being able to resist this push that
Speaker 2: is coming from the government. And frankly endorsed because they
Speaker 2: won the election the way they did.
Speaker 3: Well people power Paul, but in a partnership, and obviously
Speaker 3: the City Morning Herald the Cotton on to the fact
Speaker 3: that I didn't support the divorce. Call it what you
Speaker 3: like and I obviously I've adhered to party protocol for solidarity,
Speaker 3: but I am concerned that the breakup with the Liberal
Speaker 3: Party will unnecessarily affect our prospects at the next election
Speaker 3: because we need to be a cohesive force. And I
Speaker 3: hope that the breakup is only temporary. I hope that
Speaker 3: we can get back with the Liberal Party. And yes,
Speaker 3: sure we'll advocate for all those important four things that
Speaker 3: David Little Proud took in good faith to Susan Lee.
Speaker 1: But I do question the haste with which the decision
Speaker 1: has been made. But look it's been made.
Speaker 10: We've got to get on with it now.
Speaker 1: And we'll see what happens from here.
Speaker 2: Now Again, as a person who has been in these
Speaker 2: relationships where you know how the decisions of the Liberal
Speaker 2: PM sometimes can be resisted outright disliked by some people
Speaker 2: in the regional areas that were that the National Party represents.
Speaker 2: To those that are pro the breakup, they say, great,
Speaker 2: no longer do we have to be the tail wagging
Speaker 2: the dog or the dog and all of that business
Speaker 2: right instead our own two feet. We don't have to compromise.
Speaker 1: We are who we are.
Speaker 2: What's your response to those people who say, the best
Speaker 2: thing about the divorce is you don't have to, for
Speaker 2: want of a better term, compromise for anyone.
Speaker 3: Well, I get that people would like to see more
Speaker 3: National Party members free range and to be able to
Speaker 3: speak freely about the issues that are important to them,
Speaker 3: and obviously that's net zero, nuclear power, coal mining, all
Speaker 3: those issues. And I get that sometimes those sorts of issues,
Speaker 3: even the live sheep trade, don't resonate with people in
Speaker 3: the cities, people who are turning to the teels for
Speaker 3: what reason, I don't know, But seriously, we can do.
Speaker 1: A lot more together.
Speaker 3: As John Howard says, this country has governed best when
Speaker 3: it's governed by Liberals and Nationals cohesive government. And I
Speaker 3: hope that we can get back to that coalition in
Speaker 3: double quick because I think it's too important not to something.
Speaker 2: That I'm finding frustrating as just a person who loves
Speaker 2: the regions, visits as often as we can, but obviously
Speaker 2: you represent and live in those regions. Is that exactly
Speaker 2: the reason why you're standing in the community hall you
Speaker 2: are right now? Is that the Labor Party assuming that look,
Speaker 2: they could just dump from high heaven all of the
Speaker 2: consequences of their decisions to make people in the inner
Speaker 2: city happy, and they'll just keep throwing it on and
Speaker 2: throwing it on and throwing it on regional areas. That
Speaker 2: is the consequence of the next three years. And I suppose,
Speaker 2: as I said last night, one of the things that
Speaker 2: I like about the partnership, it means that the leader
Speaker 2: of the party is the Deputy Prime Minister. The backbench
Speaker 2: Nationals MP gets to walk up to the Minister of
Speaker 2: Government regardless of what party, and is able to take
Speaker 2: the concerns of that room that you're in and take
Speaker 2: it to the heart of Canberra. But even outside of
Speaker 2: the relationship of what the coalition is isn't for the
Speaker 2: next three years, do you have a feeling that Labor
Speaker 2: is going to freely punish the regions because they see
Speaker 2: no political downside in it whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Well, they already have.
Speaker 3: I mean the last budget that doctor Jim Talmers brought down,
Speaker 3: there was no regional infrastructure funding. He took away the
Speaker 3: local Roads Community Infrastructure Fund, which I put in place
Speaker 3: as Deputy Prime Minister, and that gave counsels the autonomy
Speaker 3: to fix their roads, to make decisions based on local
Speaker 3: people's needs and wants and expectations and demands. All that
Speaker 3: money went and you know I didn't hear I didn't
Speaker 3: hear one commentator say this is a dreadful thing for
Speaker 3: regional Australia. Thankfully, David Little Proud got up the Regional
Speaker 3: Australia Future Fund, which would have built up to twenty
Speaker 3: billion dollars and that was one of the arts that
Speaker 3: we did. Of the Liberal Party. I'm sure they probably
Speaker 3: would have gone along with it. But we will always
Speaker 3: proudly represent the regions. National Party will always that's our
Speaker 3: sole focus, obviously in the national interest, but this is
Speaker 3: where the food and fiber is grown. This is where
Speaker 3: the resources are day up, which helps to keep the
Speaker 3: lights on, which helps to keep the balance of payments,
Speaker 3: and it's been neglected by labor. And if what we
Speaker 3: saw in the first three years was bad enough, it's
Speaker 3: going to be far worse in the next three years.
Speaker 3: And it's going to be far worse if the Liberals
Speaker 3: and Nationals don't get back together and get back together soon.
Speaker 1: Good stuff, Thank you, Michael.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the conversation, looking forward to it when times
Speaker 2: into the future, and say it to everyone not too
Speaker 2: far from the house.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Mate Michael McCormick there, of course, the former Nationals leader,
Speaker 2: former Deputy Prime Minister and a man who is well
Speaker 2: always there for his local community, obviously thinking about the
Speaker 2: national interest as well. Now one more thing before we
Speaker 2: get to our debate and conversation this evening, as always
Speaker 2: between our great mates from Membership and Stephen Conroy. History
Speaker 2: is written by the winners I mentioned before. We know
Speaker 2: it to be the case. And there is a strange
Speaker 2: little ritual in Australian politics where the behind the scenes
Speaker 2: party boss gets to be a star for a day
Speaker 2: and they get to go to the National Press Club
Speaker 2: and talk about how awesome they are because they won
Speaker 2: the election or how we got cheated out because we've
Speaker 2: lost the election. Well, Paul Erickson is the bloke who,
Speaker 2: let's be honest, saved Anthony Alberici's backside because if he
Speaker 2: was listening to Murferu and all the rest of them,
Speaker 2: will we know where that was heading. It's when he
Speaker 2: took over the messaging. He took over and started telling
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister what to do, where to be and
Speaker 2: how to drop the air support on top of it
Speaker 2: that things started to turn and of course it ended
Speaker 2: up the way that it did with a monster result. Now,
Speaker 2: I do not want to relive that moment like you.
Speaker 2: It ain't a pleasant experience. But when it is your
Speaker 2: day in the sun, sometimes they actually tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit more than they would normally tell us about
Speaker 2: how they won. Now, yes, it's a long speech full
Speaker 2: of stuff that I will save you about the shopping
Speaker 2: list of stuff that we all heard during an election.
Speaker 2: But in the middle of the speech, and because you
Speaker 2: were working today you didn't get a chance to see
Speaker 2: it all, or maybe you saw like half a snippet
Speaker 2: somewhere today. I just wanted to show you the five
Speaker 2: reasons that the boss of the Labor Party thinks the
Speaker 2: Labor Party was able to win the election.
Speaker 1: None of these.
Speaker 2: None of these we're about conversations about whether the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party was too left or too right, all of that stuff.
Speaker 1: Instead, let's go through them here. Number one.
Speaker 2: Put simply, the campaign started at an event in Adelaide
Speaker 2: last year in November.
Speaker 8: The campaign theme launched on three November twenty fourteen and
Speaker 8: the South Australian electorate of stir exactly six months before
Speaker 8: election day. In every electorate in every portfolio, our campaign
Speaker 8: would point to first term delivery and outline second term
Speaker 8: ambition and we would ensure that by May. The choice
Speaker 8: about which party would make you better off over the
Speaker 8: next three years was the central question in the election.
Speaker 2: The second was the focus on media. Can now I'm
Speaker 2: showing you all of this not to feel the pain,
Speaker 2: to rub in the salt order, turn around and think
Speaker 2: or do something wrong here. I want you to know
Speaker 2: what they know, to see what they saw about their
Speaker 2: path to victory, and to see what that informs the
Speaker 2: decision making of the next three years about how to
Speaker 2: take on this government. Number two was to talk about Medicare,
Speaker 2: because they always talk about Medicare.
Speaker 8: Was Medicare and our decision to put it at the
Speaker 8: heart of our campaign three months out from Poland Day.
Speaker 2: When it came to the economy, he spent some time
Speaker 2: talking about how look basically the cost of living, Yes,
Speaker 2: central concern of Australians.
Speaker 1: But if the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: Had more on the table on that issue, and they
Speaker 2: certainly did in terms of number of offerings versus what the
Speaker 2: coalition was offering, then for that middle third of the
Speaker 2: country they would end up falling as they did towards Labor.
Speaker 8: The third factor was the economy and Labour's ascendancy in
Speaker 8: the economic debate that was front and center in the campaign.
Speaker 1: I observed earlier that Labour's.
Speaker 8: Economic strategy got inflation down without paying for it with
Speaker 8: a recession and higher unemployment. In the campaign we were
Speaker 8: able to point to that record and highlight the contrast
Speaker 8: with a decade of coalition failure before that.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister was presenting himself as the happy warrior
Speaker 2: of the campaign. And as much as elections can be
Speaker 2: about the performance of the past three years, they are
Speaker 2: about the next three years.
Speaker 8: The fourth factor in our win was the Prime Minister's performance.
Speaker 8: And while the Prime Minister was telling a positive story
Speaker 8: about who we are and where we're going, Peter Dutton
Speaker 8: was gloomy about the country, downcast about the future, and
Speaker 8: most animated when he was magnifying.
Speaker 1: The problems facing Australia now.
Speaker 2: Of course, interestingly interestingly, that feeds into what we have
Speaker 2: all known to be a central question of every election.
Speaker 2: When Ronald Reagan asked it about are you better off
Speaker 2: than four years ago? In terms of the United States,
Speaker 2: the Australian version was are you better off than you
Speaker 2: were three years ago? But the Labor Party openly said
Speaker 2: today that they had been doing research about the past
Speaker 2: three years but also the three years before that, and
Speaker 2: that they were able to work out that there was
Speaker 2: no residual goodwill for the government that had been sacked
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. So therefore a promise to go
Speaker 2: back to some of the figures who of course had
Speaker 2: been removed from office in twenty twenty two was not
Speaker 2: going to be the proposition. Again, none of this is
Speaker 2: fun for me to show you on TV. But it's
Speaker 2: not about happy talk. It's not about reading from the
Speaker 2: holy texts. It's about dealing with things as they are
Speaker 2: and when the person who beat you is telling you
Speaker 2: how they beat you, study them.
Speaker 8: The Coalition believed that they could win the election by
Speaker 8: asking people whether they were better off today than they
Speaker 8: were three years ago, but looking back reminded voters of
Speaker 8: the Morrison government and Peter Dutton's track record, which was
Speaker 8: very weak territory for them. In November twenty twenty four,
Speaker 8: Peter Dutton's performance in the line ask Coalition government in
Speaker 8: our Poling was rated as poor by thirty seven percent
Speaker 8: of voters. Only twenty seven percent rated it as good,
Speaker 8: and the performance of the Morrison government was rated as
Speaker 8: poor by forty one percent of voters. Only twenty five
Speaker 8: percent rated it as good.
Speaker 2: That's why when the government changes, they spend so much
Speaker 2: of that first couple of years trying to blame the
Speaker 2: previous government, because they're trying to sault the earth to
Speaker 2: make sure that nothing can grow in its place, and
Speaker 2: that there is no residual goodwill for people to want
Speaker 2: to turn back to, and that of course we can't
Speaker 2: possibly change because we're only just getting started. More work
Speaker 2: to be done, all the rest of it. Does this
Speaker 2: mean this is how the next election will go on,
Speaker 2: the one after that and the one after that.
Speaker 1: No, of course not.
Speaker 2: I haven't known any opposition to smilingly and happy worrying
Speaker 2: their way from opposition to government. But it is interesting
Speaker 2: how for that one day when they're in the sun,
Speaker 2: they tell us sometimes a little more than they would
Speaker 2: ever like to admit, which is why you pay attention,
Speaker 2: why you remember and compare the pair. The Labor Parties
Speaker 2: internal polling was talking about the performance of ministers in
Speaker 2: the previous government compared to people's perceptions of them.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The Liberal Party polling was telling them that they were
Speaker 2: going to win seats, not lose as many as they
Speaker 2: ended up losing. Now, I don't know how these things
Speaker 2: will run on the inside, but it seems to me
Speaker 2: one of the first rules of electoral fight club is
Speaker 2: get some polling information, some people who understand demographics and data,
Speaker 2: people who are able to continue that conversation, not just
Speaker 2: tell you what you want to hear or pretend because.
Speaker 1: We won the voice will win the election. More in
Speaker 1: a sec here on Paul Maurray.
Speaker 2: Life when you have one of these, the seconds before
Speaker 2: we come back from a breaker not pleasant for the
Speaker 2: people around you. I apologize, gentlemanly of me to be
Speaker 2: burping in the man cave, love you to see you hear.
Speaker 2: A man who would have much better manners than that is,
Speaker 2: of course, the wonderful Stephen Conroy. Labor to with bootstraps
Speaker 2: and your joints. It's now from Melbourne, all right, lots
Speaker 2: to get to tonight, and I want to lean on
Speaker 2: your experience guys, not just sort of in the team
Speaker 2: Red TWM, Blue Stuff, but obviously the roles you've played
Speaker 2: in and around the Parliament and parties. Bromwin, I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk to you about the speaker days and how
Speaker 2: the new parliament works for the next three years, because
Speaker 2: obviously there's a government, there's an opposition. Logically most number
Speaker 2: are in the government, second most is the opposition, and
Speaker 2: then there might be sort of a few down the
Speaker 2: bottom by the coalition now splitting kind of the same numbers,
Speaker 2: and then a cross bench which is not too far
Speaker 2: away from the same as those three in something like
Speaker 2: a question time, right, because it's really important when a
Speaker 2: government's on the ropes that an opposition can ask the
Speaker 2: same question in four different ways to eventually put the
Speaker 2: pressure on. But when it all splits up like this,
Speaker 2: is it going to be you get a turn, then
Speaker 2: the government gets a turn, then they get a turn,
Speaker 2: then they get a turn. So essentially the official opposition
Speaker 2: that lives get a one in four question scenario.
Speaker 10: Well, what happens is is the standing orders have to
Speaker 10: be negotiated between the manager of Opposition business and the
Speaker 10: leader of the government's Business, which is of course mister Burke,
Speaker 10: and make provisions for the cross bench to get the
Speaker 10: opportunity to ask questions, which of course will come largely
Speaker 10: at the expense of the opposition.
Speaker 2: So does the National Party count as the cross bench
Speaker 2: in those considerations. Yes, so the cross bench is going
Speaker 2: to be very close to if I'm trying to do
Speaker 2: the numbers in mode.
Speaker 10: Because they're a party and they've got a good number
Speaker 10: of people, I'll get more than say.
Speaker 1: A single Green or Yes.
Speaker 2: So do you see a scenario where again, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're negotiating with the person who's got ninety three seats
Speaker 2: versus you, Then basically it's going to be a version
Speaker 2: of take it or leave it. But is there a
Speaker 2: scenario where the decision to not be a coalition whoever
Speaker 2: made the decision, whyever made that decision, whatever pressure was
Speaker 2: on or not on them, reduces their number of questions
Speaker 2: to ask in any one question time.
Speaker 10: Well, it will, because that's the way the negotiation will
Speaker 10: I can tell you that.
Speaker 2: And then Stephen as a Bloker used to of course
Speaker 2: be in charge of the government in the Senate. When
Speaker 2: you're in a scenario here again where the National Party
Speaker 2: goes from five senators to four, meaning they're not technically
Speaker 2: referred to as a party anymore, does that change the
Speaker 2: way you have to interact with them in everyday parliament?
Speaker 11: Well, look, always, if the National Party are willing to talk.
Speaker 11: You're always willing to enter into negotiations, and they may
Speaker 11: take a different perspective to the Liberals and a bill
Speaker 11: that Labor's putting forward if it's in the regional area.
Speaker 11: So you could see the potential in the right set
Speaker 11: of circumstances where you negotiate with the Nats deliberately to
Speaker 11: split them from the Libs and just show that that
Speaker 11: divide continues to be real. But to the question you
Speaker 11: ask brom Win, the National Party have cut their own
Speaker 11: throat on this. They are now going to get barely
Speaker 11: a question in question time in either the Reps or
Speaker 11: the Senate. The Libs will take the majority, and then
Speaker 11: the Independence will get a group and the Nationals will
Speaker 11: get a group. But that could be as low as
Speaker 11: four or five, maybe six questions a week, not a
Speaker 11: day a week, Whereas in the Reps, you know, you
Speaker 11: might let your shadow treasurer go and ask two or three,
Speaker 11: and then you might want your trade shadow to ask questions,
Speaker 11: which could be a national body and they might get
Speaker 11: to a three in a row, whereas now the bulk
Speaker 11: of the questions will go to the Liberal Party and
Speaker 11: then as will be genuinely a rump of questions and
Speaker 11: not able to prosecute a case because there'll be one
Speaker 11: and then it'll be onto the teal and they'll be
Speaker 11: onto the Green. So the decision has so many ramifications
Speaker 11: in terms of staffing, and that is not insignificant. When
Speaker 11: you stop being a party you get much left staff
Speaker 11: and when you're not.
Speaker 1: Part of the coalition.
Speaker 11: I mean, yes, Susan Laigh will get this amount of
Speaker 11: staff based on the formula that they use, and she
Speaker 11: could choose to give the sum to the National Party,
Speaker 11: but given this circumstance, it's no, you're on your own.
Speaker 11: We'll take all these staff and put them into our pool. Well,
Speaker 11: and that's before you get to the positions and the
Speaker 11: money that comes with positions and that sort of stuff,
Speaker 11: just on the really important parts of of the grit
Speaker 11: that you need to be able to form a coherent opposition.
Speaker 11: This is shooting both of them in the foot well.
Speaker 1: One thing that I think if any, if any force
Speaker 1: pushes them back together, perhaps the experiences of.
Speaker 2: Canberra in July for a couple of weeks in a
Speaker 2: new reality, they will force them back together.
Speaker 10: It's just giving you the reasons why the coalition will
Speaker 10: come back together.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. I agree.
Speaker 2: All right, now, quick one here again before we get
Speaker 2: into what's probably going to be a little more disputed territory.
Speaker 2: The Senate count again, the final version of it will
Speaker 2: come up in the next few weeks, but they're now
Speaker 2: into ninety three percent of the count. The only two
Speaker 2: things that will be of interest to the people watching
Speaker 2: right now, to good people watching right now, maybe who
Speaker 2: they've voted for in Queensland, where it looks like Malcolm
Speaker 2: Roberts gets the last spot but that's not one hundred
Speaker 2: percent locked because of quotas and all the rest of it.
Speaker 1: And then the fight between One Nation and Lamby.
Speaker 2: Now, what's fascinating here is the way that I read
Speaker 2: it is that if the Liberal Party basically doesn't get
Speaker 2: any more than where it currently is, they've got a
Speaker 2: big enough chunk to give to one Nation that gives
Speaker 2: them a total bigger chunk than what's left over from
Speaker 2: Labor and Jackie Lamby.
Speaker 1: Am I right in my rougher view here?
Speaker 10: Yes you are, and I must say there's been. The
Speaker 10: history of the account of the Senate is actually quite interesting.
Speaker 10: Once upon a time all the votes were not for
Speaker 10: the Senate. They used to take a sample vote sample
Speaker 10: and gains. And it was drummed into me that you
Speaker 10: must when you're on a Senate ticket, you had to
Speaker 10: tell everyone to vote the ticket and never vote for
Speaker 10: you because that would disadvantage your opportunity of getting elected
Speaker 10: because the votes aren't going to be counted. That's all
Speaker 10: changed now all votes are actually counted. But I always
Speaker 10: thought it was amazing that was the system. So those
Speaker 10: fine balances of when the transfer of the balance of
Speaker 10: a quota goes over, it's going to be a very
Speaker 10: Tory experience.
Speaker 2: It's incredibly typed, particularly in Tasmania. It is amazing how
Speaker 2: we have the big election. Yes, who's the prime minister?
Speaker 2: That matters, and we're all around for hours, sources all
Speaker 2: of that business. Right, But of course for something to
Speaker 2: become law, what happens upstairs and basically we just.
Speaker 1: All wait until a computer turns up weeks later. All right,
Speaker 1: quick breakback.
Speaker 10: When more it's important to notice is if one nation
Speaker 10: seeds go to one nation, they'll come at the expensive labor.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: All right, The music is playing and ad will be
Speaker 2: presented and we will return in a moment from there.
Speaker 1: Stephen Connry is here with the wonderful Bromwin Bishop.
Speaker 2: Now I've got a little more from Meghan Kelly in
Speaker 2: a second about old mate Joe Biden. Wow, I just
Speaker 2: love this one. Presidential health checks, right, they do them
Speaker 2: every year and they stand up there and they read
Speaker 2: every single their heart rate, this and the other. Oh
Speaker 2: but he has no PSA tested two. Okay, Now, Steven,
Speaker 2: we saw today the boss of the Labor Party standing
Speaker 2: out there day on the stage to say we're amazing
Speaker 2: we won. I tried to sort of push away as
Speaker 2: much of the stuff that was just repetition of what
Speaker 2: we had heard during the campaign. I showed the five
Speaker 2: things that he says about how they won, which I
Speaker 2: think were instructive to learning.
Speaker 1: Did you learn anything that you did not already know today?
Speaker 11: Well, I only my admiration for Paul's campaign of you,
Speaker 11: tactics and implementation. As you said six months ago, they
Speaker 11: seted a plan, they devised what worked for Labor, what
Speaker 11: didn't work for Dutton, and they hammered him for six months.
Speaker 11: That is the art of successful politics. You have to
Speaker 11: over and over again send the message because not every
Speaker 11: Australian follows, you know, like you and I do. Paul
Speaker 11: bromwin every single newspaper every single day or online. You
Speaker 11: have just got to keep repeating your messages. So just
Speaker 11: great admiration for the way there was a campaign set out,
Speaker 11: implemented and I followed through, enhanced them. And he was
Speaker 11: behind that entire strategy. And it's not easy to get politicians,
Speaker 11: you know, to pay attention when you try and try
Speaker 11: and try, so you know, hats off to him. He's
Speaker 11: a sensational national secretary and now he's run two successful campaigns.
Speaker 1: But then was he too successful to put in the SENI?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 2: Is he now too successful to make a senator? Because
Speaker 2: isn't that normally the payoff.
Speaker 11: That is that that is often something that people respect
Speaker 11: and admire about a national secretary, and they do many
Speaker 11: of them for good reason, and Paul is absolutely in
Speaker 11: that category. Does just add one one senate? Yeah, the
Speaker 11: one senate? One I would add for exactly the same
Speaker 11: reason as you've just described. Is at the moment, Labor
Speaker 11: is ahead in Victoria's number three, people still going they're
Speaker 11: going to win. But again on exactly the same basis, Paul,
Speaker 11: if you take the now growing surplus of the Libs
Speaker 11: added to one nation, take the trumpet of patriots added
Speaker 11: to one nation, and a couple of other of those
Speaker 11: smaller parties that added to one nation. Then one nation
Speaker 11: I think gets above our third Senate count. Now below
Speaker 11: the line.
Speaker 1: Will be critical.
Speaker 11: This is not a big big margin, but I think
Speaker 11: on the above the line, Paul in Hanson's tandorate does
Speaker 11: end up possibly above labors. But they're still a fair
Speaker 11: bit to happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, watch that one too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, now, did we know about the Teals
Speaker 2: scenario here where lose one win one right in terms
Speaker 2: of Bradfield and Goldstein, But where they did try to
Speaker 2: have a little bite into labor they weren't successful, But
Speaker 2: that was in a place like Fremantle.
Speaker 1: What about where they won and where they didn't tells
Speaker 1: you something about their future.
Speaker 10: It tells me, and it tells me from being on
Speaker 10: booth and being out campaigning. What the Teals have done
Speaker 10: is gathered around them a lot of retired people who
Speaker 10: were very much like the people who were recruited as
Speaker 10: volunteers to the two thousand Olympics. Suddenly they were important,
Speaker 10: they had a mission. They put them in a shirt,
Speaker 10: they had a uniform, and they used to go out
Speaker 10: in groups and they were dead supper of what they
Speaker 10: were doing. And these are the same people who were
Speaker 10: the essence. And those were liberal voters. I had people
Speaker 10: on booth and michaela say, wearing the teal t shirt.
Speaker 10: We used to vote for you, but now we wrote
Speaker 10: to her. Why well, because they feel loved and needed
Speaker 10: and wanted and important.
Speaker 2: So you're taking about the individual support, that level of
Speaker 2: micro interest in the gifts.
Speaker 10: And they go out and they have coffee together, and
Speaker 10: they meet together, and they go out and wave things
Speaker 10: up together. I perhaps did it a little differently. I
Speaker 10: used to do cake and coffee things, but that was
Speaker 10: that was different.
Speaker 1: It was you would have tucked them into bed at night.
Speaker 2: I know how you would have You're like Steven Stephen
Speaker 2: would have to tuck them into bed at night. He just
Speaker 2: would have stood on the front step and go, remember,
Speaker 2: I'm here, I know I know.
Speaker 1: Where you are. Everyone okay, everyone in line? Good. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But that's a good message, though, you say, And it is.
Speaker 10: The essence of what they're doing. Now. Just remember those
Speaker 10: people who are the volunteers in the Olympics. We're still
Speaker 10: having reunions ten years later. Yes, and the other thing
Speaker 10: is they're all in socioeconomic electrics that are well off,
Speaker 10: and they're the people they talk to.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like all you've got to do is
Speaker 2: design a track suit and win them back.
Speaker 1: Well, you've got to win them, but it doesn't just happen.
Speaker 1: You've got to work out.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think it might be some distance. All right,
Speaker 2: nice to talk to you, but thank you very much
Speaker 2: to appreciate it. Thank you for any insights tonight. This
Speaker 2: is why I love about all the people that are
Speaker 2: part of.
Speaker 1: The Pormriy life family.
Speaker 2: They've been there, they've done that, they've seen it, and
Speaker 2: they can give us an insight into what's really going on.
Speaker 2: Fascinating that senate camping Victoria in double checking that with
Speaker 2: absolute interest. Maybe two senators when it comes to one
Speaker 2: nation fascinated, maybe three we'll find out together. All right,
Speaker 2: Quick break back with more Meghan Kelly a bit more
Speaker 2: about Biden's book. Make sure you check out Meghan Kelly's
Speaker 2: a show on YouTube because she absolutely rips into one
Speaker 2: of the authors of that book about Joe Biden, Jack Tapper,
Speaker 2: about how he was part of basically the media cover up.
Speaker 1: But now that the book is.
Speaker 2: Had there's a whole bunch of gioc details about just
Speaker 2: how the sort of a live corpse of the former
Speaker 2: president was being propped up with plans for the election
Speaker 2: and the years after.
Speaker 12: Three or four cabinet secretaries who made clear to the
Speaker 12: authors Joe Biden was not capable of taking the three
Speaker 12: am phone call. He was not capable, and they knew it.
Speaker 12: They knew it. They talked about how you mentioned it
Speaker 12: in part before he had this degenerative spine condition which
Speaker 12: was crippling him and he was headed for a wheelchair.
Speaker 12: They lied intentionally told everybody that it was a limp
Speaker 12: because he wasn't wearing his orthopedic boot from a foot
Speaker 12: fracture that had happened a while ago. Was an open lie.
Speaker 12: They did it to make him look better than he was.
Speaker 1: She is a rock star. I don't know that there
Speaker 1: is always there's always plenty of people who would love
Speaker 1: to say.
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