Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray.
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Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Big breaking news is that the ceasefire has come into
Speaker 2: effect now after we finally knew the names the three
Speaker 2: people who are going to be the first to be
Speaker 2: released by Hamas. Now as we speak, the Israeli Foreign
Speaker 2: Minister is addressing the media. If we can go to
Speaker 2: that in the moment, we obviously will. The first is
Speaker 2: a twenty eight year old British Israeli who was taken
Speaker 2: as part of October the seventh.
Speaker 1: The second Rommi. Sorry. The first is Emily.
Speaker 2: The second is romy She's a twenty four year old
Speaker 2: who was abducted from the music festival all those many
Speaker 2: and too many months ago. And Dorian, who was thirty
Speaker 2: one and HERMAS militants took her on October the seventh.
Speaker 2: They will be the first three that will be released
Speaker 2: because there has.
Speaker 1: Been a bit of movement in the past hour.
Speaker 2: In fact, let's just quickly jump outver to what is
Speaker 2: happening with our colleagues in the UK, covering the response
Speaker 2: to what I are hearing from the Israeli officials who
Speaker 2: are confirming that the first of the hostages will be
Speaker 2: released shortly.
Speaker 3: How you put it to the beginning of the end
Speaker 3: of the war, they wrong.
Speaker 4: I hope it is, but it's not up to us.
Speaker 4: I hope it is.
Speaker 3: As I said, first phase is a temporary ceasefire. Humas
Speaker 3: during all the negotiations insisted that to reach where we
Speaker 3: are today, we will pay with the end of the
Speaker 3: war with a permanent sea is far that will keep
Speaker 3: them in power.
Speaker 4: We didn't agree to that.
Speaker 3: We stood fear the Prime Minister and all the government
Speaker 3: that we will not withdraw from the objectives of the war.
Speaker 3: Finally they agreed to this path, which on the first
Speaker 3: phase includes a temporary cease fire. A consistent cease fire
Speaker 3: will be negotiated. Yes, I said from the sixteen days,
Speaker 3: and I hope we will reach it, but it's not
Speaker 3: in our hands yet.
Speaker 5: You have said that, you have said that.
Speaker 4: Well, it depends on the point of view. Those who
Speaker 4: hoped that.
Speaker 3: Israeli concessions and with roles during the year will create
Speaker 3: hope for a security, stability and peace in the Middle
Speaker 3: East was.
Speaker 4: Wrong as we saw that. I just mentioned our.
Speaker 3: Last withal from Gaza Strip twenty years ago. There were
Speaker 3: big hopes at the time. Finally, I think everyone understand
Speaker 3: that it didn't contribute to peace, to security and to stability.
Speaker 3: So we must find a better way how to bring hope.
Speaker 3: And I'll tell you what it is to bring hope.
Speaker 3: First of all, Palestinians should disconnect from terrorism, and I
Speaker 3: including the Palestinian authority who still financed their still continue
Speaker 3: with the pay for Sleigh law, still pays terrorists.
Speaker 4: And families of terroists.
Speaker 3: According to the claim they did as much as there
Speaker 3: are more time in jail, they paid them more. This
Speaker 3: is not brings hope, it brings more terrorism.
Speaker 1: Second, that is.
Speaker 2: A spokesperson for the Israeli Foreign Ministry. The breaking news
Speaker 2: at the top of tonight's program is that after four
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy days in captivity, the first of the
Speaker 2: final round of people to be brought out of captivity
Speaker 2: to cross back from Gaza into Israel. Emily she's British
Speaker 2: in twenty eight, romy who was from the Nova Music Festival,
Speaker 2: and Dorian, who's thirty one, also taken from her family
Speaker 2: more than a year ago. What you are also going
Speaker 2: to start to see in the next little while is,
Speaker 2: obviously the bombs have stopped falling on Gaza. Now, citizens
Speaker 2: are not going to be able to remove themselves from
Speaker 2: wh they currently are in Gaza and moved back towards
Speaker 2: the north of that area until the second phase of
Speaker 2: these things. But the live pictures that we are seeing
Speaker 2: from Gaza is relief for the people who live there
Speaker 2: that there.
Speaker 1: Is no further harm coming their way.
Speaker 2: But equally the concern of the next little while is
Speaker 2: that while it's going to be three people now and
Speaker 2: three people later and three it's very slow, very very slow,
Speaker 2: very very brittle. The next stage of this, which is
Speaker 2: in about six weeks time, is when if there are
Speaker 2: Israeli soldiers which are currently in captivity, they will be released.
Speaker 2: And then the stage after that is when the bodies
Speaker 2: that have been of the hostages that have died in
Speaker 2: captivity or soldiers which have been killed in Gaza, they
Speaker 2: will be returned. But it is incredibly brittle we saw
Speaker 2: that what we're supposed to kick in at five point
Speaker 2: thirty this afternoon has not really kicked in until all
Speaker 2: about quarter to nine Australian eastern daylight time tonight, because
Speaker 2: the Israeli Prime Minister said, no, if nothing happens until
Speaker 2: you start to give us the names of who is coming,
Speaker 2: so we can obviously prepare those.
Speaker 1: Families, and other families.
Speaker 2: Will have to steal themselves that the people who they
Speaker 2: love are still behind enemy lines more throughout the hour.
Speaker 2: I've got a feeling this is going to be in
Speaker 2: and out over the next few minutes as things start
Speaker 2: to calm and relief comes to at least three families
Speaker 2: in Israel, and of course many many more on both
Speaker 2: sides of all of this, and anyone who is trying
Speaker 2: to pay attention here in Australia. Now, I cannot meet
Speaker 2: this moment without referencing what happened late last week, which
Speaker 2: was an attempt to continue the fight from overseas here,
Speaker 2: an overt absolute intimidation and in my view, an attempted
Speaker 2: murder situation which played out in the eastern suburbs of Sydney.
Speaker 2: This is when a home that was the former home
Speaker 2: of a person who is a significant Jewish leader. You've
Speaker 2: seen him on television many times here on Sky News.
Speaker 2: The cars were set on fire and the house was
Speaker 2: painted red to symbolized blood. There was also horrific things
Speaker 2: written about Jews on one of those cars. Now the
Speaker 2: target was not home because the target doesn't live there anymore,
Speaker 2: but someone somewhere thought that this is where this person lived.
Speaker 2: Someone somewhere thought that setting a fire, not just a cars,
Speaker 2: but potentially the damage that would happen to the homes
Speaker 2: would end up either intimidating this spokesperson from stop talking
Speaker 2: or the wider Jewish community. That of course unacceptable, not
Speaker 2: tolerated at all. In this country, many and most have
Speaker 2: talked about the scourge of anti Semitism that has been.
Speaker 1: Like wildfire through particularly.
Speaker 2: Certain sections of Melbourne and Sydney, but it is a
Speaker 2: nationwide problem.
Speaker 1: The reaction to the deliberate.
Speaker 2: Targeting of a person who has had the courage to
Speaker 2: speak on the behalf of his community with concern of
Speaker 2: his community back in former countries is concerning, and as
Speaker 2: Sir Frank Lowi has spoken from Israel in recent hours,
Speaker 2: his fear is that someone is going to die before
Speaker 2: something serious takes place here. But this has been some
Speaker 2: of the reaction from the Jewish community too, that fire
Speaker 2: bombing towards the end of last week.
Speaker 6: I fear that we're going to wake up before long
Speaker 6: with someone dad. I think that's the trajectory that we're on,
Speaker 6: and we've been there for a long time. When you
Speaker 6: have people in our society who were so consumed by
Speaker 6: wickedness and hatred that they would set fire to things,
Speaker 6: set fire to suburban streets, and risk the lives of
Speaker 6: everyone who lives here simply because they disagree with certain
Speaker 6: views or opinions, it shows that we're in a very
Speaker 6: dangerous state.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Now, you can have whatever view about whatever is going
Speaker 2: on in other parts of the world, when you bring
Speaker 2: this garbage here, you will receive zero support from the
Speaker 2: Australian people. In fact, less than it, you will become
Speaker 2: a target of our law enforcement agencies and our governments
Speaker 2: and the decent people of the country, the people who
Speaker 2: have been here for generations or the people who have
Speaker 2: been here for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: This stuff is not acceptable.
Speaker 2: Now for obvious reasons, all and every if it must
Speaker 2: be made to make sure that this sort of behavior
Speaker 2: does not take any further property or God forbid, injure people.
Speaker 1: Or take someone's lives.
Speaker 2: Now an important part about where we are tonight, and
Speaker 2: I understand how fragile it is about this cease fire
Speaker 2: and about how many people are going to be released
Speaker 2: from the captivity that they have been in for the
Speaker 2: best part of as I say, four hundred and seventy days,
Speaker 2: is going to require the temperature to start to drop
Speaker 2: here in Australia. Now, I want to say well done
Speaker 2: to those who decided not to protest today as they
Speaker 2: have of every week since Israel's response to what happened
Speaker 2: to them on October the seventh. These are people who
Speaker 2: are the people who have been focused on the Palestinian
Speaker 2: communities that they have connections to here in Australia, but
Speaker 2: of course back home now those people largely largely if
Speaker 2: they have been protesting for that purpose, will they have
Speaker 2: our support as a free country here the people who
Speaker 2: have used this situation to try to continue to spread
Speaker 2: hate or division, they do not have such support. But
Speaker 2: today there was a protest in Melbourne and people have
Speaker 2: decided they aren't going to turn up. Why because the
Speaker 2: ceasefire was on the table for today now in effect tonight. Thankfully,
Speaker 2: some of those protesters have chosen not to turn up,
Speaker 2: but sadly there are protesters who have continued. Now I'm
Speaker 2: not entirely sure why they are going to continue. I'm
Speaker 2: also not entirely sure why the people who claim they
Speaker 2: were going to run against labor MPs are planning to
Speaker 2: do so now that cease fire, which is the first
Speaker 2: stage towards peace, has been delivered. All I will say
Speaker 2: is on this issue, beware the people who want to
Speaker 2: maintain the rage or maintain the fight.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about the people who are keeping absolute
Speaker 2: eye on the evils of Hamas and those people releasing hostages.
Speaker 2: I am not talking about those people. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about an end to walk conversation because there is a
Speaker 2: cease fire. What I am saying is that in the
Speaker 2: freedom of this country, it is time for the protests
Speaker 2: to stop, it is time for the hostages to be freed,
Speaker 2: and at a point in time it will be time
Speaker 2: for Gaza to rebuild. But this will play out on
Speaker 2: the other side of the world. It must stop playing
Speaker 2: out on the streets of Australia. To the Monday Matters,
Speaker 2: of Australian politics. Let's get to this here. The first
Speaker 2: opinion poll is out of the election year and it
Speaker 2: is not good reading for the Prime Minister or the team.
Speaker 1: Of which he leads.
Speaker 2: Have a look at this yere now, the way the
Speaker 2: Poles ended last year was that News poll had the
Speaker 2: Labor Party on thirty three percent, the Liberal Party on
Speaker 2: thirty nine. The Resolve poll had twenty seven with the
Speaker 2: Liberal Nationals on thirty eight, and the Essential poll which
Speaker 2: has a don't know portion here, had the Labor Party
Speaker 2: on thirty percent and the Liberal national at thirty five percent.
Speaker 1: To give you an idea of how that.
Speaker 2: Compares to the twenty twenty two election, the Resolve poll
Speaker 2: is the best part of five points lower for the
Speaker 2: Labor Party. It is about the same in News poll.
Speaker 2: It's about two and a half maybe three percent lower
Speaker 2: in the Essential poll. So the question is has the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister's announcement a day and billions here and billions
Speaker 2: there changed his fortunes over summer Well, according to that
Speaker 2: first poll, the Yugov poll which has been released over
Speaker 2: the weekend, the answer is no. In fact, even the
Speaker 2: Union Superannuation funded news website putting the best spin on
Speaker 2: it possible says that voters have turned off Labor in
Speaker 2: the lead up to the election. When asked the question
Speaker 2: of how do you feel about the PM's leadership, forty
Speaker 2: percent of people have said that they are satisfied. But
Speaker 2: has this fifty five percent of people are saying that
Speaker 2: they are dissatisfied the Prime minister's leadership. How does that
Speaker 2: look for the primary vote? Well, I can show you
Speaker 2: this too, that the Labor Party vote is basically where
Speaker 2: it was at the last election, ever so slightly under,
Speaker 2: but the coalition number is way back up. The closer
Speaker 2: they get to forty, the more likely they are to
Speaker 2: win an election. Asterisk deals all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: But that number shows that while Labor has moved nowhere,
Speaker 2: the coalition has come back into a position to be
Speaker 2: able to be very competitive or potentially win an election.
Speaker 2: That means in two party preferred that it is fifty
Speaker 2: one forty nine fifty one forty nine. As for what
Speaker 2: they were doing today, Prime Minister had more money, more
Speaker 2: money each and every day to make an announcement. Of course,
Speaker 2: all of this ends up going off budget, not added
Speaker 2: to deficits, because of course it's an investment.
Speaker 8: It has been sitting on the books for a long
Speaker 8: period of time. But what my governor is determined to
Speaker 8: do isn't just talk, it's to act and this project
Speaker 8: will transform this area. I want Western Sydney to be
Speaker 8: a gateway to the rest of the world.
Speaker 2: As for Peter Dudden, he was giving a speech and
Speaker 2: this is good that he's going to be giving these
Speaker 2: big broad speeches each and every week in different areas,
Speaker 2: different messages. This was part of his announcement today in
Speaker 2: Brisbane about getting the country back on track at the
Speaker 2: election this year, and.
Speaker 9: So today I announced that a coalition government will provide
Speaker 9: small businesses with a turnover up to ten million dollars
Speaker 9: with a tax deduction of up to twenty thousand dollars
Speaker 9: per year on food and entertainment at local clubs, pubs
Speaker 9: and restaurants excluding alcohol.
Speaker 2: Good to see now in a couple of minutes time
Speaker 2: Sunday nights, each and every night, I want you to
Speaker 2: know what we know and what the parties know about
Speaker 2: what's happening inside the election. We're going to do a
Speaker 2: thing state of the race each and every week with
Speaker 2: people who know the data and the strategy from all
Speaker 2: sides of politics. We'll get to that in a moment
Speaker 2: or two's time. But as we speak on many people
Speaker 2: are looking because the Chinese surveillance app otherwise known as TikTok.
Speaker 2: Just have a look at its evidence in parliamentary committees,
Speaker 2: both here and in the United States where it.
Speaker 1: Has gone dark.
Speaker 2: Why because Republicans and Democrats passed a law. It passed
Speaker 2: the Senate, it passed the House, and it was even
Speaker 2: signed off on by Joe Biden. It was due to
Speaker 2: coming to effect today in the United States, but on
Speaker 2: Saturday in the United States, very late at night, they
Speaker 2: decided to get in early and not wait for Trump
Speaker 2: to come back, but instead bang close the damn thing down.
Speaker 1: And they're not taking it very well.
Speaker 4: Hours and hours and hours.
Speaker 10: Of time they put into creating stuff for this platform.
Speaker 3: They cannot stop crying.
Speaker 2: Because now but simply what you are watching here is
Speaker 2: people who are being forced into cold Turkey. It's probably
Speaker 2: how I react if they banned salt or sugar, But
Speaker 2: these people knew that it was coming. But it also
Speaker 2: is an example about just how far into the culture
Speaker 2: TikTok had infiltrated. Now TikTok is very different via its
Speaker 2: parent company in China versus the rubbish that gets run
Speaker 2: around in the Western world. But can we stop this
Speaker 2: garbage as one hundred and seventy million people are affected
Speaker 2: by this Because if you actually have a look at
Speaker 2: what the Pew Research Institute came out with just late
Speaker 2: last year, the number one thing people do on social
Speaker 2: media is YouTube, followed by Facebook, followed by.
Speaker 1: Daylight, and then it's Pinterest.
Speaker 2: More people are on Pinterest in the United States than
Speaker 2: on TikTok. And again for those that are going to
Speaker 2: be disappointed, upset and all the rest of it. And
Speaker 2: I know you don't want your old mate from Australia
Speaker 2: telling you that there is a greater world outside of
Speaker 2: your phone.
Speaker 1: But guess what, look up? Look up.
Speaker 2: The sunrises are amazing, The sunsets are incredible. You live
Speaker 2: in an incredible country, lots of great rock and roll music,
Speaker 2: lots of other things to do. Real life is always
Speaker 2: more exciting than anything on the phone. But if you
Speaker 2: must return to the phone, of course, there's Instagram reels
Speaker 2: where I'm obsessed with this.
Speaker 11: Guy, Ah, my spirit animal?
Speaker 1: How good is that?
Speaker 2: I can't wait? Would I be allowed to grow here
Speaker 2: like that? And have a little mo on, Telly. Let's
Speaker 2: all learn together. We've got a big future in front
Speaker 2: of us. Each and every Sunday, We're going to start
Speaker 2: to get serious and I want you to get as
Speaker 2: close to an insider's view about Australian politics as anyone's
Speaker 2: going to see on TV. I'm not talking about a
Speaker 2: collection of reporters or journalists. I'm talking about people who
Speaker 2: know the data and can answer some very key questions
Speaker 2: which will give you an idea about whether things are
Speaker 2: going the way you want them to go or not. Now,
Speaker 2: we worded you to have Michael Kroger in the conversation tonight.
Speaker 2: Sadly the e Commodore sixty four isn't working, but I'm
Speaker 2: pleased to say the other half of the conversation who
Speaker 2: will be the conversation tonight is Simon Wels. He works
Speaker 2: with the Red Bridge Group and he's a director of it.
Speaker 2: You may we'll see him with the wonderful Laura Jays
Speaker 2: during the week and I appreciate him turning up on
Speaker 2: the show with the salt and pepper beard like me.
Speaker 2: That is where we begin our understanding of politics in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: So I'm nice to see. Thank you for doing this.
Speaker 1: Thank you to the red.
Speaker 2: Bridge people for joining us on a Sunday night pleasure.
Speaker 2: I just really want to simply ask this question.
Speaker 1: In any data that you've seen.
Speaker 2: And I don't know whether you're doing the data now,
Speaker 2: but certainly that YouGov stuff that came out which was
Speaker 2: from about the middle of January, so the height of summer.
Speaker 1: Has anything changed over summer?
Speaker 2: Has anything tectonically moved from what seemed to be a
Speaker 2: bad end to the year for the Prime Minister, chiefly
Speaker 2: around cost of living?
Speaker 12: Yeah, look, always take January polls with a pinch of salt,
Speaker 12: just as a general wall in life. You know who's
Speaker 12: around to answer poles during January. But that said, I
Speaker 12: think that pole sort of pointing to no change to
Speaker 12: the trend is probably on the money. There's nothing we've
Speaker 12: seen in any of our work to suggest that there's
Speaker 12: been a change over summer. Usually over summer takes some
Speaker 12: pretty monumental there owns a catastrophic because it's often around
Speaker 12: sort of catastrophes to really sort of jolt people out
Speaker 12: of holiday mood, friends, family and all the rest of it,
Speaker 12: to get them to focus on the mundane politics as
Speaker 12: they would see it. So certainly nothing we've seen to
Speaker 12: suggest is any change to the trend.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean the most obvious example would say be a
Speaker 2: Scott Morrison. We're post the win in twenty nineteen when
Speaker 2: the fires were there at the start of twenty twenty,
Speaker 2: it was a fundamental break. He was able to get
Speaker 2: a second wind or third considering where things were, but
Speaker 2: he got another win back at the start of COVID.
Speaker 2: But we all know where that ended up going because
Speaker 2: in many ways and police just yell at me if
Speaker 2: I'm wrong here right, you know you're in primetime.
Speaker 1: You can say whatever you want made, which is.
Speaker 2: Once the perception of a leader starts to build, it's
Speaker 2: very difficult for them to be able to break it.
Speaker 2: And I remember a conversation that you had with Laura,
Speaker 2: and it was towards the end not of last year,
Speaker 2: but the year before, when they're people who were talking
Speaker 2: to you were starting to say things like incompetent. They
Speaker 2: were starting to notice a collection of very negative perceptions
Speaker 2: around the Prime minister, and as best as I could follow,
Speaker 2: none of that really changed in twenty twenty four. Is
Speaker 2: this the difficulty for an incumbent government, regardless of who
Speaker 2: it is, that once they start to write you off,
Speaker 2: they generally don't give you another crack.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's people's views are formed over a period of time.
Speaker 12: The idea that you can fundamentally shift people's views in
Speaker 12: a campaign is I think a fallacious one. I think
Speaker 12: it has been like that for a very long time.
Speaker 1: You can tinker at.
Speaker 12: The edges, but core views of who you are as
Speaker 12: a leader and what you stand for are formed over time,
Speaker 12: and certainly for the Prime Minister, we saw we saw
Speaker 12: that erosion. We would watch in the focus groups how
Speaker 12: Elbow went from literally just about every group you would
Speaker 12: conduct early in their term of parliament would describing him
Speaker 12: as guy that I would like to have a beer with.
Speaker 12: You know that that is coming through in the groups.
Speaker 12: I know it's become a bit of a cliche, but
Speaker 12: it's true that that has now changed. You know, the
Speaker 12: the origin story about you know him and his mum,
Speaker 12: that that has become a negative where people are saying, well,
Speaker 12: he should know better, and the fact that he sort
Speaker 12: of hasn't acted boldly on cost of living, done the
Speaker 12: kinds of reforms that people wanted from a labor government
Speaker 12: has eroded sort of the value of those stories and
Speaker 12: has eroded the value of his leadership. He's got some
Speaker 12: real personal sort of leadership attribute attribute problems, because what
Speaker 12: happens is folk when you don't address something over a
Speaker 12: period of time, it starts to become they start to
Speaker 12: attribute it to a trait of you. So it's not
Speaker 12: just the circumstance. So early on, there was a lot
Speaker 12: of you know, he's inherited a difficult place. You know,
Speaker 12: Global's story is pretty complicated. There was there's excuses. But
Speaker 12: what you see over time when there's as people say,
Speaker 12: it's sort of a lack of action on something, they
Speaker 12: start to attribute to that to a characteristic of you,
Speaker 12: a trait of you. And that trait of his is
Speaker 12: either he's not brave enough to do something, or he's
Speaker 12: not competent and he doesn't know how to do something.
Speaker 12: That's the kind of landscape that we're in at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we've got Michael Krogan now who's going
Speaker 2: to give us his view on things now for obvious reasons,
Speaker 2: he simon, you know that I would like to see
Speaker 2: a change of government. So there's no mystery about where
Speaker 2: I'm coming from but I appreciate the sort of down
Speaker 2: the middle of this. But Michael, about what Simon has
Speaker 2: just been saying about the shifting perceptions that may well
Speaker 2: become the defining characteristics of a politician. Let's have a
Speaker 2: look at how Peter Dutton the start of the year
Speaker 2: this central theme of getting the country back on track.
Speaker 1: I think that's good.
Speaker 2: However, there hasn't really been and we haven't seen, say
Speaker 2: a funny ad or something on social media that seems
Speaker 2: to be driving home what the negative perceptions of the
Speaker 2: prime minister are. Why haven't they started by trying to
Speaker 2: lock in the perception of the current prime minism as
Speaker 2: a way of trying to boost their chances of becoming
Speaker 2: prime minister.
Speaker 13: Because the public can see for themselves what's happening. The
Speaker 13: Coalition have been doing that by saying Alberze's a weak
Speaker 13: prime minister, which everyone again can see, and Dutton is
Speaker 13: just just being very serious about things. You never see
Speaker 13: Dutton at a celebrity event. You don't seem at the
Speaker 13: tennis he's just head down, backside up, working hard for people.
Speaker 13: Albanize he's been too associated part of every the other
Speaker 13: problem personally personally Paul, he's been associated with the glitter,
Speaker 13: Arty's sporting events, housing purchase, etc. I mean, he doesn't
Speaker 13: give the impression of being someone who's there for the
Speaker 13: long term and is seriously interested in the working middle class.
Speaker 13: So that is obvious to people already.
Speaker 2: My friend now also, Simon, I'm interested to watch the
Speaker 2: caricature that each he's trying to build in and around
Speaker 2: social media.
Speaker 1: Here right now, I think.
Speaker 2: Mikhaylia cashes people at particular Lily Sharp because they keep
Speaker 2: using an image of the Prime Minister wearing a yes
Speaker 2: T shirt over and over and over and over and
Speaker 2: over and over again, because it's obviously reminded to well,
Speaker 2: that was his real priority, that was four hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty million dollars. That's where sixty percent of the population
Speaker 2: ended up being on the opposite side of him. But
Speaker 2: in what you've been able to work out, is there
Speaker 2: a hangover with the swinging voter about the prime minister
Speaker 2: and the priority of that year, because clearly someone in
Speaker 2: the coalition things that's the image to ram down their throats.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean people will talk to us
Speaker 12: in the groups about how the government early on seemed
Speaker 12: to energize our doing a lot of stuff, and a
Speaker 12: lot of that energy went into this referendum, and post
Speaker 12: they sort of contrast that with post the referendum, we
Speaker 12: haven't heard from them. Now that's as much about a
Speaker 12: communication problem as it is a policy problem, because there
Speaker 12: obviously has been things like there's been tax cuts and
Speaker 12: changes to childcare, and there's an important there which I
Speaker 12: might circle back to at some point our conversation about
Speaker 12: them not building a narrative around all of that, which
Speaker 12: is particularly important. So it's a communication problem as much
Speaker 12: as it is a policy pom. But absolutely there is
Speaker 12: a perception of absence of this government at a time
Speaker 12: when economically, families, households were doing it incredibly hard. They
Speaker 12: were gone missing an action, but they seemed to be
Speaker 12: there and all about it during this referendum, which they
Speaker 12: never really explained to us. They just expected us to
Speaker 12: vote their way, and there was a sort of a
Speaker 12: bit of sense of contempt. Let's use that word. I
Speaker 12: don't know if it's the right word, but that sort
Speaker 12: of sense that it was assumed that we would follow
Speaker 12: their lead without them sort of bringing us with them
Speaker 12: on their journey. So there's this seed of dissatisfaction around it.
Speaker 12: Couple that with the absence and yeah, absolutely you've got
Speaker 12: something that works.
Speaker 1: And I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: They're running with Yeah, Michael, when we were in the
Speaker 2: run up to the last election, things seemed to go
Speaker 2: the way they were. You were very astute, I thought
Speaker 2: in suggesting that the political and verbal landmine to leave
Speaker 2: behind on your way out of office was to say
Speaker 2: watch interestrates, watch interest rates, we'll guess what ended up coming.
Speaker 1: True.
Speaker 2: There was one under Morrison in twenty two, and then
Speaker 2: there's been twelve since. And ruinous scenario now where the
Speaker 2: very Canberra people who all sort of want to count
Speaker 2: the grains of sand on the beach sometimes forget the
Speaker 2: view and they think that all will be forgiven if
Speaker 2: the pressure of twelve becomes eleven.
Speaker 1: How does interest rates play in this game?
Speaker 2: Because Howard was able to make a strong case in
Speaker 2: O four that'll always be lower under us, he paid
Speaker 2: a price when that changed in the lead up to seven.
Speaker 2: What's the line Dutton should be running on interest rates?
Speaker 13: So the public think that the government has something to
Speaker 13: do with the interstrate level. They know there's this reserve
Speaker 13: bank out there that somehow says some independence, but the
Speaker 13: public think that government decisions affect interstrates and there one
Speaker 13: hundred percent correct in that. So the problem Albaneze's got
Speaker 13: is that his loss of control of federal government spending,
Speaker 13: not assisted by the state's loss of control of their
Speaker 13: spinning too, has led to higher interest rates for longer.
Speaker 13: It's not going to help Albanizi. By the way, if
Speaker 13: he gets one intrast rate reduction before the election, people
Speaker 13: are just going to think, oh, this is somehow cynical,
Speaker 13: He's manipulated it somehow just to you know, give us
Speaker 13: a little bit of cake mari Antoinette style.
Speaker 1: It's not going to help him.
Speaker 13: I think the narrative is set. I don't think Albanizi
Speaker 13: can turn things around because it's not as he hasn't
Speaker 13: been trying, Paul, this guy's been trying to turn things
Speaker 13: around for six months.
Speaker 4: He can't. He's type cast.
Speaker 13: I think the government's type cast. And as we know,
Speaker 13: the worldwide vibe as they call it now, is against
Speaker 13: these left wing, big spending, woke governments, and he's right
Speaker 13: in the firing line.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, simon the asterisk that I have said. You know,
Speaker 2: despite my obvious views here is that the battle for
Speaker 2: seventy six or the battle.
Speaker 1: Even for minority is all in and around the Teals.
Speaker 2: Now again, I don't know whether there's poles within polls
Speaker 2: and focus groups, within focus groups.
Speaker 1: All the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Have you seen any evidence that any of the Teals
Speaker 2: are in trouble or is the expectation, you know that
Speaker 2: they're somehow out of team Red team blue politics. So
Speaker 2: mathematically there's not going to be.
Speaker 1: The rush towards the Libs.
Speaker 12: I think in those Teal seats there's a possibility that
Speaker 12: you might see one on a really bad night for
Speaker 12: the Tells, you might see two come back. So we
Speaker 12: put out analysis at the end of last year that
Speaker 12: I think put curtain sort of in the too close
Speaker 12: to call kind of kind of basket. Goldstein a little
Speaker 12: bit further behind that. But you know, even if you
Speaker 12: even if they lose those seats, there's a real, live
Speaker 12: possibility that there's other seats that are picked up in
Speaker 12: a Bradfield for example, and potentially others as well. So
Speaker 12: I think the Teal story sort of plays out in
Speaker 12: a neutral way. You know, it might be one seat
Speaker 12: sort of net thing, but that's not going to deliver
Speaker 12: you the seventy six that you need us you've pointed to.
Speaker 12: I think the real story here, the real battle here
Speaker 12: is that out of suburban, good old traditional labor Lib
Speaker 12: contests that we didn't see so much of in the
Speaker 12: last election. Our last election was the story of middle
Speaker 12: class Australia. I think this is a story of working
Speaker 12: class Australia and those outer suburbs.
Speaker 2: I'll ask you the same question, and there'll be a
Speaker 2: version of this probably every week between now and the election.
Speaker 2: But Michael, what is the one big issue that you
Speaker 2: think is out there for the taking that could really
Speaker 2: move some people.
Speaker 13: So there isn't one big issue because the government's played
Speaker 13: its best cards already. It'll do something on childcare. They
Speaker 13: did something today, a big announcement to be nion dolllars.
Speaker 13: They haven't got any money. The public don't believe any
Speaker 13: of their expenditure anymore. It's just adding more debt to
Speaker 13: you know, bloated government debt already. The one thing Peter
Speaker 13: Dutton can do is find some more cost of living
Speaker 13: measures which are going to be addressed to the working
Speaker 13: middle class and to let people know that the tax
Speaker 13: system basically doesn't work in their favor. It favors the
Speaker 13: major corporate sector more than it favors the working middle class.
Speaker 13: If he can get a policy around that, and as
Speaker 13: I've said before, I've given him one, he will win
Speaker 13: in his own right because the public knows the tax
Speaker 13: system works against them, which it does, it doesn't favor them.
Speaker 13: If he can get onto that, he'll get more than
Speaker 13: seventy six in his own right.
Speaker 2: Paul, all right, Well, long chap between now and then.
Speaker 2: Simon's same question about the people who just bring that
Speaker 2: one thing up. The politicians never want to talk about,
Speaker 2: but if they did, it would move evoke.
Speaker 12: Yeah, but no surprises. I think the boring answer here
Speaker 12: is that this is a cost of living election, and
Speaker 12: labor's opportunity to shift votes, I think is at a
Speaker 12: come up with some policy themselves, some the ideas, and
Speaker 12: as I say, that narrative tied all together, a narrative,
Speaker 12: this kind of one off, kind of an announcement here,
Speaker 12: an announcement here that doesn't tie into a big narrative
Speaker 12: of how we're going to sort of build back the economy,
Speaker 12: build back the quality of life that we had prior
Speaker 12: to COVID. That's the bit that's missing from them. And look,
Speaker 12: I think that they've got to try it. They've got
Speaker 12: to try and make done a risk to your household budget.
Speaker 12: They've got to make him an economic risk for you
Speaker 12: at the household level. But he won't be a moving target.
Speaker 12: I think Michael is exactly right. I think you will
Speaker 12: be putting forward some pretty well targeted policy. You've got
Speaker 12: to expect that. So I think that's going to be
Speaker 12: very difficult for Simon.
Speaker 5: Michael.
Speaker 1: I like this team.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 2: Let's convene again next week. Thank you, lads, do appreciate
Speaker 2: it very much.
Speaker 1: So the State of the Race.
Speaker 2: I'll do this each and every Sunday because the joy
Speaker 2: of a Sunday Night Paul Murray Live Show is this is.
Speaker 1: For the hard course.
Speaker 2: This is for the people who want the detail, who
Speaker 2: want the data, who want to know what's going on shore.
Speaker 2: We'll put the opinion in and.
Speaker 1: Around it all.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why we love having more Michael
Speaker 2: there is because, of course he's been in the trenches
Speaker 2: plenty of times. The reason we like Simon as well
Speaker 2: is that they're not just doing polling, they're doing focus whip.
Speaker 1: It's actually talking to voters and voters.
Speaker 2: And they've got full perspective on As I said, maybe
Speaker 2: the stuff you want to see and the stuff you
Speaker 2: don't put a full perspective about what's.
Speaker 1: Going on in Australia.
Speaker 2: Fascinating election years. There's a nothing like them. Here on
Speaker 2: Sky News Quick break Back with more plenty to talk
Speaker 2: about here on Port Marie Life. Chris Kenny will join
Speaker 2: us from the United States where we get ready for
Speaker 2: the great Man to return just a couple of days
Speaker 2: from now. Thank you so much for watching. Let's get
Speaker 2: into it now. James Ashby from One Nation is there.
Speaker 2: He's joining us now from the beautiful state of Queensland.
Speaker 2: Looking good mate, How was summer for you?
Speaker 5: A very good night.
Speaker 14: We took the caravan away with a couple of metal
Speaker 14: detectors out west and found a gold.
Speaker 1: Mine, Ossie gold Hunter, fantastic. We're getting you on that, Sharle.
Speaker 1: It was cooked.
Speaker 2: Ossie gold Hunter, all right, and Ghira Badoir I don
Speaker 2: knew I was going to do it. Sorry, and Gear
Speaker 2: of course work for the Daily Telegraph and police to
Speaker 2: say she's part of the show. And I will learn
Speaker 2: your name properly and announce it as many times they
Speaker 2: can until I know it as well as mine.
Speaker 1: Now let's talk.
Speaker 2: Here about what a lot of people going into the
Speaker 2: federal election I think are going to make a slight miscalculation.
Speaker 2: Is that because Trump was able to defeat all the
Speaker 2: things Trump was able to defeat, he was able to
Speaker 2: push aside a whole bunch of wokeness.
Speaker 1: That's what's coming to Australia.
Speaker 2: I think people need to actually have a look at
Speaker 2: how companies are reacting to the Australia Day discussion, how
Speaker 2: things like cricket Australia are reacting to no cricket on
Speaker 2: Australia Day, and they are not bending the same way
Speaker 2: that they have in other places like America. How do
Speaker 2: you see the battle around wokeness in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and whether Australia is closer to Canada in the UK
Speaker 2: or Trump's America.
Speaker 15: I'm going to say probably Canada and the UK. And
Speaker 15: I think that's because we tend to see a lot
Speaker 15: of political trends trickle here a lot slower than what
Speaker 15: we see in the US. So I know we've seen
Speaker 15: the US have I mean, the big tech companies have
Speaker 15: spoken out against it. They really gotten behind Trump's messaging,
Speaker 15: But I think it's going to take a little bit
Speaker 15: more time for any of those trends to come down
Speaker 15: here as we often see the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, James, you and I were all plenty online and
Speaker 2: we're seeing all of the things that are great about
Speaker 2: what's transferring in America. But there is a golf and
Speaker 2: I think that the wall of wopness is a little
Speaker 2: taller and a little stronger now in January twenty five
Speaker 2: in Australia than the bended knees that are starting to
Speaker 2: happen in the States.
Speaker 1: Am I right?
Speaker 14: I think Australians are starting to finally find their voice
Speaker 14: and that has been probably spurred on a little bit
Speaker 14: by the US election of Donald Trump. That is going
Speaker 14: to pay dividends for this country and I might just
Speaker 14: say ahead of our federal elections. So I think Trump's
Speaker 14: going to be speaking the same language as the majority
Speaker 14: of Australians. They may not say it publicly, but they're
Speaker 14: saying it in their loungdrms. I know within my own
Speaker 14: family circles, they're starting to say, you know, we've got
Speaker 14: a safe space in our own home, but that safe
Speaker 14: space extends to the ballot box. And I think for
Speaker 14: a lot of people, they're going to be saying, we're
Speaker 14: going to have our say at this next election, whether
Speaker 14: it be for a major party or a minor party.
Speaker 14: Australians have a chance whenever that federal election is to
Speaker 14: finally say we've had a gupful of this woke behavior
Speaker 14: and we're going to vote for somebody a little bit different.
Speaker 14: You don't have to vote for a major party. You
Speaker 14: can vote for a minor party like One Nation and
Speaker 14: then direct your preferences to the next best option. But
Speaker 14: I'd simply say this to people, if you've had a
Speaker 14: gupful of the two major parties, here's your chance at
Speaker 14: this election. Do as they've done in America. Get rid
Speaker 14: of the current government because woke will send us broke.
Speaker 2: And can I also say to people who are going, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: but if I vote for One Nation, it's not going
Speaker 2: a mataic because there's going to be a liberal person anyway,
Speaker 2: whether there's going to be a labored person anyway or
Speaker 2: whatever other minor party. Here's the deal the Senate. Like
Speaker 2: think about how everything comes down to the Senate.
Speaker 1: It's a statewide vote.
Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, all right, you know who knows what's
Speaker 2: going to happen with you your local MP.
Speaker 1: But how you vote in the.
Speaker 2: Senate, regardless of what is going to happen in your
Speaker 2: local electorate, will inform how many people go to the
Speaker 2: Senate and whether we end up with a super lefty Senate,
Speaker 2: a more centrius one, or one that is going to
Speaker 2: be a little more to all of our liking. Now,
Speaker 2: I think that the issue at this election which is
Speaker 2: going to jump people into places where historically they've never
Speaker 2: been before is buying a house. Now. I don't know
Speaker 2: what role government turns around here. Government's not going to
Speaker 2: turn around and say, hey, you want that one bedroom
Speaker 2: unit for your kid, here's one hundred grand. I know
Speaker 2: that they're going to say, oh, well there's a pilot
Speaker 2: program for four fifth to bugger all people who've already
Speaker 2: gone in with their best mate, or the government's going
Speaker 2: to help to buy. But in your reporting, is this
Speaker 2: one of these issues where you can see people that
Speaker 2: are hardcore labor people that if Peter Dutton somehow had
Speaker 2: a magical answer, they'd flip and vice versa for some
Speaker 2: conservative photus.
Speaker 15: Absolutely, And I think we were talking about American trends
Speaker 15: coming into Australia. I think the working poor is something
Speaker 15: that we are seeing in Australia which we didn't have before.
Speaker 15: But increasingly I've spoken to people who both parents are
Speaker 15: working and they've got good jobs, but they're struggling to
Speaker 15: meet against meat and a lot of posters have also
Speaker 15: said that those mortgage belts it's out of suburban areas
Speaker 15: in metropolitan cities are going to be the tough spot.
Speaker 15: So I don't think Australians are as loyal to a
Speaker 15: party they've always been. This time around. They are loyal
Speaker 15: to whoever's going to get them the best deal on
Speaker 15: their cost of living.
Speaker 2: They're not even loyal to a phone company. Littlee politics
Speaker 2: right now. But again James, that factor. We're again in
Speaker 2: regional Queensland, where again it's going to be slightly easier
Speaker 2: to buy. But that's if you're expecting people to still
Speaker 2: be earning Sydney or Melbourne corporate money. But of course
Speaker 2: they don't the further we go. So how many people
Speaker 2: when you were running for state politics or in your
Speaker 2: position now, how big an issue is I want somewhere
Speaker 2: for my kids to buy, where people will go You
Speaker 2: know what? You could be the workest of work. But
Speaker 2: if somehow you've got an answer for this, I'm seriously
Speaker 2: going to think about you.
Speaker 14: You know, Paul, It's never been easy for a person
Speaker 14: to buy a house. It doesn't matter what generation we're
Speaker 14: talking to. The people at home there in their seventies, eighties, forties, fifties,
Speaker 14: doesn't matter. It's always been difficult to get into the
Speaker 14: housing market, whichever demographic you look at. And I hate
Speaker 14: to say it, I know a lot of people are
Speaker 14: living paycheck to paycheck, trying to put that money away.
Speaker 14: I know other reports are out there saying people are
Speaker 14: doing that. But even when you own a home, you're
Speaker 14: living paycheck to paycheck. I put a new clothesline out
Speaker 14: in the back, you know, hit me four hundred bucks.
Speaker 5: I was lucky.
Speaker 14: I could still dig a hole myself. I could still
Speaker 14: concrete that thing in. Otherwise it probably cost me another
Speaker 14: four hundred bucks to put it in. It doesn't matter
Speaker 14: whether you own a home or you're renting. There are
Speaker 14: still ongoing costs, and this is the difficulty for a
Speaker 14: lot of people. It's never easy to get into the
Speaker 14: housing market. But don't think that once you're in, it's
Speaker 14: a free Rideer it's an easy ride because you've still
Speaker 14: got maintenance, You've still got upgrades you want to do.
Speaker 14: I just went and had dinner with friends who put
Speaker 14: a new kitchen in the house. It's a unit. It
Speaker 14: cost him close to one hundred thousand dollars. So all
Speaker 14: these things people have to think about. Whatever you're doing
Speaker 14: out there, whether you're renting or buying, it's still tough
Speaker 14: no matter which way you try and slice or dice it.
Speaker 14: I'm not saying it's any easier either way, but it's
Speaker 14: going to be tough for Ossie's moving forward because nothing
Speaker 14: is easy in this country, especially when you've got an
Speaker 14: influx of migrants coming into the country under both major parties,
Speaker 14: but particularly under Labor. There's going to be a huge
Speaker 14: influx of migration under Labor if we give them a
Speaker 14: second term. The coalition is slightly better, but I think
Speaker 14: we should be more focused on looking after Australian so
Speaker 14: that we can lower the price of housing and affordability
Speaker 14: moving forward.
Speaker 1: And gi Robartawaje, did I get it?
Speaker 4: Damn it.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I'm going to get it. I'll get it.
Speaker 1: I apologized on it all right.
Speaker 2: TikTok Are you sucked into the Chinese surveillance app Are
Speaker 2: you glad that you're not in America and it's disappeared?
Speaker 1: Or you can see the forest for the trees.
Speaker 15: I've been there. I can't say that I haven't fallen
Speaker 15: into that trap in the past, but maybe less so
Speaker 15: now that all the American TikTok influencers are going to
Speaker 15: leave and there's less content on there. I know a
Speaker 15: lot of people in America are pretty frustrated by that,
Speaker 15: and there's been pressure here domestically for Anthony Alberzi to
Speaker 15: do something on this. So maybe we'll be in the
Speaker 15: same boat and we're all going to be sobbing over
Speaker 15: losing TikTok.
Speaker 2: Well, the version, of course, is going to be in
Speaker 2: and around the teenage stuff, which I know people have
Speaker 2: had very strong views on.
Speaker 1: But we'll wait and see where this goes.
Speaker 2: All Right, James and bold prediction for the Weak Ahead,
Speaker 2: what's definitely happening because the power of the bold prediction
Speaker 2: on Paul Murray Live is that it is enforceable by law.
Speaker 14: Well, I can't see things improving for the Albanese government,
Speaker 14: but I also don't see things improving for the coalition
Speaker 14: over time. I think there's a lot of pork barreling
Speaker 14: going on over the next couple of months. Ossie's or
Speaker 14: are awake to this, and I think that piling results
Speaker 14: probably won't move that much for either of the major parties.
Speaker 14: Probably see an increase to parties one nation as we
Speaker 14: start to roll out our policies.
Speaker 1: Good Man, I love it. I love it when he's
Speaker 1: on message. Good to see it. All right, And Geira,
Speaker 1: what is it for you?
Speaker 15: He said, bold, not realistic. I'm going to go for
Speaker 15: some wishful thinking and maybe the PM will call the
Speaker 15: election great adimam misery.
Speaker 2: Well from your mouth. You know it's legally enforceable. Thank you,
Speaker 2: welcome aboard.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see new faces and good people with
Speaker 2: plenty of things to say here on a Sunday night,
Speaker 2: or every night here on Paul Maurray Life.
Speaker 1: Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2: We'll see you again. In a moment or two. We're
Speaker 2: going to be joined by Chris Kenny, who's in Washington.
Speaker 2: The Great Man is about to reassume the position of president,
Speaker 2: but he'll be doing it inside.
Speaker 9: Chris.
Speaker 1: It's bloody cold there. Thanks for watching.
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Speaker 1: We look forward to new shows this week.
Speaker 5: Mate.
Speaker 1: How's it going great.
Speaker 5: To talk to you, Paul.
Speaker 7: You'd love to be here right now. I know it's
Speaker 7: not very cold at the moment. It's just above zero
Speaker 7: for us, but it's going to get a lot colder
Speaker 7: in the next few days.
Speaker 5: I'll mention in a moment.
Speaker 7: But the great thing about the town at the moment,
Speaker 7: the reason you'd love to be here is, as you know, Washington,
Speaker 7: d C. Is the swamp. This is the home of
Speaker 7: the left and the woke. It's the Canberra bubble on
Speaker 7: steroids ninety three percent of the people in Washington, d C.
Speaker 7: Voted for Kamala Harris, and not too many Trump supporters
Speaker 7: in these parts. But at the moment, they're coming in
Speaker 7: from all around the country, and as we've wandered around
Speaker 7: the streets today, we've spoken of people have come in
Speaker 7: from Florida, from Louisiana, plenty came in from Texas on
Speaker 7: our flight from Dallas, as well, people from nearby Virginia.
Speaker 5: These are the people who think Washington d C. Ignore them.
Speaker 7: Well, they're taking it over this week to celebrate the
Speaker 7: return of Donald Trump, who they reckon might actually drain
Speaker 7: the joint this time.
Speaker 2: And things do feel different this time around, don't they
Speaker 2: Because the first time, for fellow Trump supporters, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: it felt a little bit like we had won lotto.
Speaker 2: But this time we all saw it coming the arm
Speaker 2: wrestle where we're all part of, and it's a very broad.
Speaker 1: And definite win.
Speaker 2: They also come in with a whole bunch of very
Speaker 2: detailed plans, including on day one, whether you're going to
Speaker 2: start the deportation of the midions of illegals that Biden
Speaker 2: led in over the years. Do you think that Trump
Speaker 2: supporters this time have a feeling that rather than the
Speaker 2: hope of change, that change is coming to America in
Speaker 2: just a couple of days.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they really think this is the reset. This is
Speaker 7: really happening. They think is this is a return to
Speaker 7: the way things ought to be, And we spoke to
Speaker 7: a lot.
Speaker 5: Of them around the place today.
Speaker 7: Of course, the big disappointment for them is that the
Speaker 7: inauguration ceremony has been moved inside.
Speaker 5: We mentioned the weather at start.
Speaker 7: It's going to snow most of tomorrow, that's Sunday, Washington,
Speaker 7: DC time, and.
Speaker 5: Then that's not going to be too bad.
Speaker 7: That'll be pretty it'll make things difficult to get organized,
Speaker 7: and it will be very nice to see. It's not
Speaker 7: going to be super cold, just below zero. But on
Speaker 7: Inauguration Day the forecast is for minus ten and strong wind.
Speaker 7: So for the first time since Ronald Reagan was sworn
Speaker 7: in for the second time in nineteen eighty five, they're
Speaker 7: going to have the inauguration in the capital rotunda. They'll
Speaker 7: only be about six hundred people in there instead of
Speaker 7: hundreds of thousands out in the mall. So this is
Speaker 7: one of the things I talked about.
Speaker 5: With people around the streets today have a look.
Speaker 7: So with the weather forecast for an auuration day being
Speaker 7: absolutely abysmal, it's a sad site today to see the
Speaker 7: grand stands.
Speaker 5: Instead of being ready to be filled, they're being pulled down.
Speaker 7: We found plenty of people getting around the city with
Speaker 7: a lot of enthusiasm anyway.
Speaker 5: So it is Donald Trump and New Yorker are a Floridian.
Speaker 5: He loves the tax treatment in Florida. We're here just
Speaker 5: to support our presidents.
Speaker 7: So are you disappointed that the show is going to
Speaker 7: be moved inside?
Speaker 5: I guess a little bit.
Speaker 6: It will been nice to be, you know, be outside,
Speaker 6: be a part of it, but unfortunately have bad weather coming.
Speaker 4: It's going to be cold, so I think it's for
Speaker 4: the better.
Speaker 7: So why is German TV bringing a cut out of
Speaker 7: Donald Trumper?
Speaker 5: Not popular? Maybe it's a little bit stupid. People like it.
Speaker 5: And how popular is Donald Trump in Germany? Not at all.
Speaker 5: You don't understand him, you know, we don't like that
Speaker 5: kind of down.
Speaker 7: We drove from Louisiana, so you know, we wanted to
Speaker 7: see everything one see the parade.
Speaker 5: Especially giving you guys are from Florida.
Speaker 7: It's pretty bloody cold around here and the whole show
Speaker 7: is being moved indoors.
Speaker 5: Are you disappointed with all those changes? It's not because
Speaker 5: of the cold. That's not because of the cold.
Speaker 1: It's for security.
Speaker 5: Let's be honest. We all know that. We just truth.
Speaker 5: So there you go, Paul. They're going to enjoy themselves anyway.
Speaker 7: This talk about the security concerns really prompting the move in,
Speaker 7: I don't think that stacks up, certainly.
Speaker 1: None of the.
Speaker 5: Officials say that it's all about the weather.
Speaker 7: And Donald Trump himself also says it's all about the weather.
Speaker 5: It is going to be bitterly cold.
Speaker 7: And sure, if you're rugged up and got all the
Speaker 7: right gear, it'll be fine. But a lot of elderly
Speaker 7: people here and security staff and police would have to
Speaker 7: be out in that weather all day minus ten with
Speaker 7: a windshiel of maybe minus twenty. So that's why it's inside.
Speaker 7: It's changed everything. The Capitol One Arena, where I saw
Speaker 7: a basketball game a few weeks ago, well, tonight they're
Speaker 7: having an ice hockey game there. Tomorrow.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's having his planned victory parade there or rally there.
Speaker 7: And now because the inauguration has been moved indoors, he'll
Speaker 7: have that the second day, another rally, an inauguration rally,
Speaker 7: if you like, instead of the normal parade down Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5: Haven't you before I let you go?
Speaker 1: The cease fire?
Speaker 2: Now we know this thing has been a very bumpy deal,
Speaker 2: long waited process, and as we have seen this evening,
Speaker 2: it is very very fragile.
Speaker 1: I think it's crossed.
Speaker 2: Everything gets worked out, people start to get released, and
Speaker 2: in six weeks from now the world is in a
Speaker 2: better place. Do you think any of this was possible
Speaker 2: if Trump didn't win, because we know where Biden and
Speaker 2: Harris were. They've been saying since May of earlier last year.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the thing is.
Speaker 7: That Donald Trump is reshaping the global order even before
Speaker 7: he's been inaugurated for the second time.
Speaker 5: That's absolutely clear.
Speaker 7: And yeah, we all know about the threats Donald Trump
Speaker 7: made against Hummas. Hand over the hostages or there'll be
Speaker 7: all hell will break loose. Well, there are a lot
Speaker 7: of speculation too that that pressure also worked on Benjaminette Yahoo,
Speaker 7: that the Israelis have been forced into making an agreement
Speaker 7: as well, because Trump has demanded it.
Speaker 5: But the thing is that today, just in the last.
Speaker 7: Couple of hours, Donald Trump has repeated if this deal
Speaker 7: is broken.
Speaker 5: By harmas there will be all hell to pay.
Speaker 7: So he really is putting a lot of weight on this,
Speaker 7: a lot of emphasis on this, and his new regime
Speaker 7: is committed to making it happen. But there's a lot
Speaker 7: to unfold in coming days. The one thing you've got
Speaker 7: to remember about this deal is that we all agree
Speaker 7: Hummus should be destroyed, and even the lefties agree Hummus
Speaker 7: should have.
Speaker 5: No role in the future of Gaza. But it's Hummus
Speaker 5: you're doing the deal with.
Speaker 7: So it is fraught, but Donald Trump has got it
Speaker 7: as a number one priority at the moment, there's no doubt.
Speaker 1: Or I made enjoy Mega Christmas. I wish I was there.
Speaker 2: Remember if you're getting any T shirts for me, it
Speaker 2: is a five XL. I know everyone would just think
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Speaker 1: Out Doors for all my clothing needs. We'll see you
Speaker 1: on the Telly tomorrow five o'clock. That can you report
Speaker 1: live from.
Speaker 5: Washington, d C.
Speaker 7: We love you, mate, I tell you what, Mate, if
Speaker 7: we get through the week and have a success, I
Speaker 7: might even smoke a cigar for you.
Speaker 2: Ha ha.
Speaker 1: Don't promise, don't promise.
Speaker 2: Shelley's back room if you want to, though Washington, where
Speaker 2: you actually believe it or not, can do that and eat.
Speaker 2: It's a different world regardless of who was the president
Speaker 2: of the United States. Now there's been a bit of
Speaker 2: an update from what's happening in Israel. One of the
Speaker 2: ministers in Benjamin Ettina, whose government has actually resigned, and
Speaker 2: as a result of the ceasefire deal which has been put.
Speaker 1: In place, three hostages expected to.
Speaker 2: Be released between now and when Peter Stefanovic joins you
Speaker 2: again in the morning. But this now means the political
Speaker 2: situation in Israel becomes as fragile as the overall cease
Speaker 2: fire deal, which thankfully is now in place. Plenty more
Speaker 2: at this time tomorrow night. Make sure you keep your eyes,
Speaker 2: as always where they are a