WEBVTT - How do you police hatred?

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Christanamio.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Wednesday, October two. A Sydney accountant who installed dummy

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<v Speaker 1>directors in dozens of companies has been charged with sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>criminal offenses by the corporate regulator. Wayne Fraser faced the

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<v Speaker 1>Downing Center District Court on Tuesday, where he's accused of

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<v Speaker 1>making or authorizing false or misleading statements in documents lodged

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<v Speaker 1>with the Australian Securities and Investments Commission. That story's live

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<v Speaker 1>right now at the Australian dot Com dot a U.

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<v Speaker 1>Hundreds of Iranian rockets have rained down over parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Israel in a retaliatory attack for the death of Hesbala

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<v Speaker 1>leader Hassan Nasrallah. It comes less than a day after

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli Defense Force launched a targeted incursion of southern Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>In Australia, a political row has erupted over the way

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<v Speaker 1>police handle breaches of our new speech laws after protesters

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<v Speaker 1>waved flags emblazoned with Hesbela insignia. In today's episode Why

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<v Speaker 1>Nobody Can Agree on how we police hatred at mosques

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<v Speaker 1>across Western Sydney On Monday, night, Muslim clerics preached to

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of worshippers.

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<v Speaker 2>He decided sam As said Hassana.

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<v Speaker 1>They were reflecting on the death of Hassan Nasrallah, the

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<v Speaker 1>charismatic but reclusive leader of Lebanese terrorist organization Hesbla, who

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<v Speaker 1>was killed in a targeted Israeli air strike days earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>They called him a history maker. They said his blood

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<v Speaker 1>was not shed in vain Muslimin. They called him a

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<v Speaker 1>support of the oppressed and an inspiration for future generations.

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<v Speaker 3>Enough Sa and Nashadahinaya Trucuna head Runa, Yet Trucuna held

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<v Speaker 3>for whom erstan hurly than Minacierra Saliha Lembardi, him kron

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<v Speaker 3>Waharakatan Juzu RuSHA Lisa man In.

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<v Speaker 1>The services were so well attended that worshipers spilled out

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<v Speaker 1>onto the streets surrounding the Al Raman Mosque in Kingsgrove.

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<v Speaker 1>Pictures posted to the mosque social media profiles showed children

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<v Speaker 1>wearing clothing emblazoned with Hesbola insignia.

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<v Speaker 2>Alat was As.

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<v Speaker 1>Nadi yak.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot.

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<v Speaker 1>On Tuesday, Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke slammed the commemorations,

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<v Speaker 1>joining a growing chorus concerned about public support for Hesbollah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the government doesn't mourn him for one minute, not

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<v Speaker 4>for one minute. But I'll tell you there are civilians

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<v Speaker 4>who have been killed who we mourn.

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<v Speaker 1>In the wake of Nazalla's death, supporters rallied in Melbourne

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<v Speaker 1>and Sydney. They carried Hesbala flags and portraits of its

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<v Speaker 1>slain leader, which is illegal under Australian law. They chanted

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<v Speaker 1>labaika ja Nasrallah in Arabic, which translates to at your

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<v Speaker 1>service Nasrallah or here i am Nazreelah. The Australian Federal

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<v Speaker 1>Police said it'll consider prosecuting at least six people who

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<v Speaker 1>attended the rally in Melbourne for displaying pro hesbela material.

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<v Speaker 1>If convicted, they could face up to twelve months in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a catch. We've used an AI voice generator

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<v Speaker 1>to read a state meant from the Australian Federal Police.

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<v Speaker 5>The mere public display of a prohibited symbol on its

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<v Speaker 5>own does not meet the threshold of a Commonwealth offense.

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<v Speaker 5>The Criminal Code sets out very specific elements that must

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<v Speaker 5>be met in order to charge an individual with a

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<v Speaker 5>prohibited symbol offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, even if the cops deem the behavior is illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>they may not be able to do anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says that's not good enough. He's

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<v Speaker 1>called for Parliament to be recalled to criminalize these kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of public displays support for terrorist organizations. Home Affairs Minister

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Burke said he'll consider canceling the visas of anyone

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<v Speaker 1>found to be inciting discord in Australia.

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<v Speaker 4>We do have a higher standard in Australia a visa

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<v Speaker 4>as to what's expected. If you're on a visa in

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<v Speaker 4>anyone's country, you're there as a guest, and inciting discord

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<v Speaker 4>is a reason for me to refuse visas and a

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<v Speaker 4>reason for me to cancel.

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<v Speaker 1>But Attorney General Mark Dreyfuss, who's the nation's most senior

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<v Speaker 1>legal figure, says that's not their job.

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<v Speaker 6>Mark Dreyfus's position is that the Labor government passed new

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<v Speaker 6>hate speech laws at the end of last year, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's up to the police to enforce those laws.

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Kelly is The Australian's National affairs editor, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Mark Dreyfus says it's not the role of the political system.

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<v Speaker 6>Politicians or MPs to direct the police to make arrests.

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<v Speaker 6>So essentially he's trying to say that Peter Dutton has

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<v Speaker 6>gone a little bit too far.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a tense political moment for Australia.

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<v Speaker 6>And Peter Dutton is making the case that we shouldn't

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<v Speaker 6>be living in an Australian society where people can go

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<v Speaker 6>out on the streets and protest and display the symbols

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<v Speaker 6>of terrorist organizations that are prohibited. He contends that it

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<v Speaker 6>is within the scope of those new hate speech laws

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<v Speaker 6>for peace to be arrested because of those actions, and

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<v Speaker 6>he says if there is any doubt about that, then

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<v Speaker 6>the laws need to be strengthened urgently. But I think

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<v Speaker 6>the broader issue is that Peter Dutton is now constructing

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<v Speaker 6>a political narrative going all the way back to October nine,

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<v Speaker 6>when there were those protests outside the Opera House, which

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<v Speaker 6>took place before Israel had retaliated in response to the

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<v Speaker 6>October seven attacks, and basically said we haven't seen sufficient leadership,

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<v Speaker 6>that the government hasn't been doing and saying the right things,

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<v Speaker 6>and so leadership takes many manifestations. It's the position that

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<v Speaker 6>leaders adopt, it's what they say it sets the tone,

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<v Speaker 6>and Peter Dutton is effectively saying they've set the wrong

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<v Speaker 6>tone and everything that has transpired since October seven has

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<v Speaker 6>been influenced by that tone. So I think that's the

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<v Speaker 6>central political dragon that Labour's seeking to contend with at

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<v Speaker 6>the moment, this perception that's been created that they haven't

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<v Speaker 6>been tough enough. And so if you look at how

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<v Speaker 6>many arrests have been made by people protesting, it's been

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<v Speaker 6>reported that there have been two people who are protesting

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<v Speaker 6>displaying Nazi imagery, but not really any arrests made in

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<v Speaker 6>relation to what we're seeing with anti Semitism, support for

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<v Speaker 6>terrorist organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>And the like.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up inside Israel's move on Lebanon. Subscribers to The

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<v Speaker 1>dot au and we'll be back after this break. For

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<v Speaker 1>almost a year, ever since the Gaza based terrorist group

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas launched a deadly attack on southern Israel, Hezbollah has

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<v Speaker 1>been firing rockets across the border, thousands of them. In

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<v Speaker 1>that time. Israel's been planning on Tuesday morning in defiance

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<v Speaker 1>of calls for a ceasefire by the United States and others.

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<v Speaker 1>It took its opportunity as supporters mauned the death of

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<v Speaker 1>terrorist leader Hassan Nasraala, the Israeli Defense Force began an

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<v Speaker 1>anticipated ground incursion of parts of Lebanon. In the early

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<v Speaker 1>hours of Tuesday morning local time, the IDF confirmed it

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<v Speaker 1>would embark on limited, localized and targeted raids over the

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<v Speaker 1>border in southern Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 5>These operations were approved and carried out in accordance with

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<v Speaker 5>the decision of the political echelon.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel also launched air strikes on Lebanon's capital city, Beirut,

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<v Speaker 1>where it says it struck weapons manufacturing facilities, and Damascus

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<v Speaker 1>in nearby Syria, where it was reportedly targeting Major General

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<v Speaker 1>Maha al Asad, the brother of President Bashah al Assad.

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<v Speaker 1>Assyrian journalist reported on the social platform x normally known

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<v Speaker 1>as Twitter that the bombing targeted a meeting of military

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<v Speaker 1>leaders between Hesbola and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, with which

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<v Speaker 1>al Assade was reportedly affiliated. Around the same time, the

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<v Speaker 1>United States moved its military forces into place in hopes

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<v Speaker 1>of deterring a counter attack by Iran. Hesbola's powerful backer.

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<v Speaker 1>Fears of retaliation by Iran ramped up following the death

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<v Speaker 1>of Nazrula, who they considered a close ally. As the

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<v Speaker 1>raids got underway in Lebanon, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netnyahu

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<v Speaker 1>sent a message to the Iranian people.

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<v Speaker 2>With every passing moment, the regime is bringing you, the

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<v Speaker 2>noble Persian people, closer to the abyss. Iran's tyrants don't

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<v Speaker 2>care about your future, but you do when Iran is

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<v Speaker 2>finally free, and that moment will come a lot sooner

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<v Speaker 2>than people think everything will be different.

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<v Speaker 1>Overnight, Iran's Revolutionary Guard fired hundreds of missiles at Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>with artillery and shrapnel reportedly raining down on Tel Aviv,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as areas of the Holy City of Jerusalem

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<v Speaker 1>and southern Israel. The Revolutionary Guards said in a statement

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<v Speaker 1>that it had targeted the heart of the occupied territories

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<v Speaker 1>in retaliation for Nasraela's death, as well as the death

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<v Speaker 1>of slain Hamas leader Ismail Hanie. The IDF said it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't aware of any casualties from the hour long attack

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<v Speaker 1>after Israelis were ordered into bomb shelters around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>and it issued a warning. It said this will have consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>We have plans we will act, deciding where and when,

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<v Speaker 1>but Iran's Revolutionary Guard said in a statement it would

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<v Speaker 1>carry out crushing attacks if those plans came to fruition.

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<v Speaker 1>The White House confirmed US President Joe Biden had ordered

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<v Speaker 1>US military to assist Israel in shooting down missiles. Shortly

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<v Speaker 1>before the miss campaign, approximately ten people were killed in

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<v Speaker 1>a terror attack on a light rail station in the

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<v Speaker 1>Ja'far area of Tel Aviv. Israeli police said two gunmen

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<v Speaker 1>carrying assault rifles had been neutralized. For its part, Hesbela

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<v Speaker 1>issued a handful of statements saying it made direct hits

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<v Speaker 1>on IDF troops stationed in towns just across the border

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<v Speaker 1>in northern Israel. They'd previously been designated closed military zones

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<v Speaker 1>by the IDF. The statement said the rockets and artillery

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<v Speaker 1>shells had been fired in solidarity with the Palestinian people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Gaza Strip and in support of their valiant

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<v Speaker 1>and honorable resistance to IDF forces which have been operating

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<v Speaker 1>in the region for almost a year. Second in command

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<v Speaker 1>Nam Kassem said Hesbola is ready for a ground engagement

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<v Speaker 1>and has no qualms about a wider regional conflict. The

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<v Speaker 1>assault continued in Gaza, too, where the IDF says it

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<v Speaker 1>conducted a precise strike on a mass command and control

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<v Speaker 1>center occupied by militants. Joe Kelly is The Australian's National

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<v Speaker 1>Affairs editor. This situation is developing quickly. You can catch

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<v Speaker 1>up on all the latest from the Middle East anytime

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<v Speaker 1>at the Australian dot com dot au