WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 20 May 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:04.600 Late. Welcome the Late Debate. 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.119 It's great to have your company on the Late Debate. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:12.479 I'm James Macpherson with Freileitch and Denika Di Giorgio. 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:12.719 Coming up tonight. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.320 Would you buy toilet paper, toothpaste and tea bags as 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.920 a wedding gift? One major supermarket is betting that you will. 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.520 We'll talk about that shortly. Plus, when we look at 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.680 what's making headlines tomorrow, I've got to tell you newspaper 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.760 editors are having a field day with the coalition bust up. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:32.199 We'll show you some of the better headlines that we're 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:33.519 doing the rounds tomorrow. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.680 And striking workers on the Snowy Hydro. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:39.840 Project complaining that their work site has been turned into 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:43.400 a jail. We'll get to that soon as well. But first, 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:48.199 United Nations experts have slammed the Queensland government's tough approach 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:53.280 to juvenile crime. The LMP one government promising that children 0:00:53.400 --> 0:00:56.760 charged with serious crimes like murder would be tried and 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:01.080 sentenced as adults. This week, the Queensland Government will expand 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:05.080 that list of serious crimes to about twenty, including attempted 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:10.000 murder and rape. But experts at the United Nations will 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.920 They claim the Adult Crime Adult Time policy is unfair 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.360 to kids, you know, like kids who kill people. The 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:21.720 UN Special Repertoire On Torture wrote an open letter to 0:01:21.800 --> 0:01:26.280 the Queensland government saying many new or proposed state laws, 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:30.679 including Queensland's Making Queensland Safer Adult Crime Adult Time Amendment Bill, 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:36.320 incompatible with basic child rights. If passed, the Queensland bill 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:40.160 will result in additional adult penalties being applied to children 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:45.360 for a wide arrange offences of offenses. Now the UN 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:50.560 are calling for a child centered approach from Queensland courts 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:53.400 when children commit murder or rape. I would have thought 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:56.480 the point of the court is to be victim centered, 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.920 not cuddling perpetrators, a point that David Chris fully made 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:03.920 in regards to the UN telling Queensland how to behave 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:05.080 have a look. 0:02:05.600 --> 0:02:07.800 And I say to the United Nations with the greatest 0:02:07.880 --> 0:02:12.680 of respect, this place will govern its laws. This place 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:16.280 will determine how we keep Queenslander safe, and this place 0:02:16.320 --> 0:02:21.600 will be accountable to Queenslanders, not United Nations boffins. We 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.760 stand up for Queenslanders, not unelected officials. 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:27.000 A long way from this place. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:28.639 I don't know. 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.200 Frayers should the Queensland government be kinder to children. 0:02:31.800 --> 0:02:34.400 Who commit murder or attempted murder or rape. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.800 Well, it's pretty clear we need a victim centered approach. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:41.600 Just ask one of the many victims of youth crime 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:45.560 in Queensland. And the reality is that fifty five percent 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:50.720 of youth crime is committed by serious repeat offenders. Fifty 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.600 five percent. These are not kids that had some sudden 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:57.840 impulse and didn't think through their actions and had no 0:02:57.919 --> 0:03:01.079 idea what they're doing. These are kids that are in 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:04.600 a life of crime that will keep reoffending and will 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:09.040 keep hurting Australians unless they are locked up. And they 0:03:09.040 --> 0:03:12.040 talk about this child's centered approach. We've got to protect 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:17.360 children's rights. But here's the thing. Rights are contingent on responsibility. 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.160 When you violate. 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:22.919 Your responsibility to your fellow citizens to treat them how 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:26.120 you would like to be treated when you murder, rape, 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.320 com in us and a whole bunch of serious offenses, 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.840 Guess what, you don't have the right to claim you're 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:33.720 just a child and you shouldn't go to prison. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.839 And a lot of these kids are repeat offenders. Right, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.320 they go through the system, the justice system, and what 0:03:39.400 --> 0:03:41.400 happens is that they get a slap on the wrist 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.440 and they're back out there. There was even a case 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:45.560 actually even in New South Wales last year there was 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:48.200 an eleven year old boy who went to court for 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:49.880 the seventieth time in his life. 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:50.960 Eleven year old boy. 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.320 So once again, what we're seeing here is a situation 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:55.640 where the United Nations are just proving themselves to be 0:03:55.680 --> 0:03:57.640 a real irrelevant bunch of hacks. 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.760 They just sit in a corner office making these decisions. 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:03.880 I'd like them to face the families, the victims, those 0:04:03.920 --> 0:04:07.280 who have actually been the victims of home invasions by 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:10.240 these little devils, or even the family for example of 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.960 Emma Lavelle up in Brisbane who was brutally murdered by teenagers, 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.080 and that case has already been and gone in court. 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.080 But these are people, these are the real victims of this. 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.640 And youth crime has actually jumped in Queensland. In fact 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:25.000 it's jumped all across the country as well. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:28.160 The United Nations needs to actually. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:32.200 Get back to its basic work and stop intervening in 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:35.119 issues that actually have nothing to do with them. Because 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:37.440 youth crime is a serious problem in this country. 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.200 But half of the problem. 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.000 With it is the justice system itself, and not to mention, 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.919 let's not forget the other issue are the parents? 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:46.440 Where on over the parents? 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:48.280 You said the United Nations should get back to their 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:52.440 primary responsibility? Is there are what their primary responsibilities are? 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.919 They've been freelancing on crazy issues for so long. I 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.919 should point out the special repertoire for torture from the 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.559 United Nations is Alice ed which she's actually an Australian woman, 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.760 but she doesn't point out any solutions. And it's this softly, 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:11.280 softly approached to juvenile crime that's got us into this 0:05:11.320 --> 0:05:12.120 position in. 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:12.920 The first place. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:17.000 He's David Christofooley in Parliament today stressing that this problem 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:19.840 has been going on for a long time and Queenslanders, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.160 who voted for a tough approach to juvenile crime have 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:23.760 had enough. 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:25.360 He's going to do something about it. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.000 We have followed exactly the timeline we outlined to the 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:33.719 people of Queensland. We said that the first reign of 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.640 changes would be done before Christmas. 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:37.880 We said there'd be an expert. 0:05:37.720 --> 0:05:41.599 Committee set up and then the second wave of changes 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:45.159 would come into effect. And we are determined to end 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.480 a youth crime crisis a decade in the making. 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:53.280 I'll make one more point, Deneka, and that is if 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:57.400 adult crime, adult time laws are the biggest issue for 0:05:57.440 --> 0:06:01.440 the United Nations special repertoire on tour right now, then 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:03.240 I reckon the world is doing pretty well. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.159 I think we must be doing very very well. 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:07.880 But look, youth crime is a very very big problem 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:10.360 in this country and it should not be ignored. So 0:06:10.560 --> 0:06:13.560 you know, these boffins, as David chriso Foley rightly put, 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.560 it needs to just get back to their knitting because 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.680 we can't keep going and that youth crime cycle, that 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:19.800 the cycle of crime. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.359 Can't keep going. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.160 But look, let's move on now because it's official. The 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:28.520 divorce has happened between the Liberal Party and the National Party. 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.160 It is not good. The coalition has now split. Now 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.640 they've split for the first time in nearly forty years, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:36.839 and only for the third time since they formed a 0:06:36.839 --> 0:06:40.760 coalition back in nineteen forty nine. And they've only been 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.240 two other splits since. And look, this is really really 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:47.200 not good. If you have a look. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.120 At the numbers. 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.680 Now, we'll bring up the graphic that the Parliament numbers 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:51.520 after that split. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:53.000 Look at labor. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.600 Ninety three seats twenty eight for the Liberal Party, fifteen 0:06:57.640 --> 0:07:00.680 for the NAT's six for the tials. So Labor right 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:05.440 now are rubbing their hands together saying this is fantastic 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.719 and what we know is another three years of labor 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:12.080 is an absolute disaster. But the Nationals in today announcing 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.960 their split, have put out a number of different. 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.960 Demands, mainly to do with energy policy. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:20.920 Firstly, they want nuclear power, which was obviously something that 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.520 the coalition took to the last election, but it petered 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.520 into the background in the final weeks. They want supermarket breakups, 0:07:28.680 --> 0:07:31.560 twenty billion dollar regional fund as. 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:33.560 Well as telco services. 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:36.360 And here was a Nationals leader, David little Proud today 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.240 announcing the decision. 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.440 Our party room has got to a position where we 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.560 will not be re entering a coalition agreement with the 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:52.040 Liberal Party after this election. What we have got to 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.320 a position is that the National Party will sit alone 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:59.280 on a principal basis on the basis of looking forward, 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.560 how having to look back and to try and actually 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.160 regain important policy pieces that change the lives of the 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:08.080 people we represent. 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.840 And look, I can see it from both sides, but 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.400 I also think that David Little Proud is not wrong here. 0:08:14.520 --> 0:08:16.680 Why on earth are they going to wait around for 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.640 the Liberal Party to make policy decisions on key issues 0:08:19.640 --> 0:08:23.679 that are actually affecting regional parts of Australia right now. 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.360 The biggest problem, and as I mentioned earlier, is what 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:29.480 this means for labor because Labour now are. 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:32.040 Going to be in government for a very very long. 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.440 Time while the coalition is in the wilderness and the 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:36.960 Libs and Nats sort out all of their drama. And 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:40.320 it's something a little proud was asked today. 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.240 Happen your hands with Anthony Alberonizia a massive. 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:46.280 Thing by splitting Yeah, as I said, our first the 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.520 commitment both Susan and I made is that we will 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.640 work together to give her the space. I'm still there 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:54.880 and the door is still open, but you need the 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.160 time and space to know who you are and what 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:57.720 you want to be. 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.640 Well, the door is still open, but what is it 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:02.720 going to take Because it's going to mean that the 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.120 Liberals are going to have to come out with a 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.040 very very firm policy when it comes to energy, in 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.600 particular net zero, dropping those targets by twenty fifty, but 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.600 ensuring that they readopt that nuclear policy. 0:09:13.640 --> 0:09:14.600 Here was Susan Lee. 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:20.840 It is disappointing that the National Party has decided today 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.480 to leave the coalition. But the most important thing I 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:28.240 want to say is this, the National's door remains open 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.600 and our door remains open, and we look forward with 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.680 optimism to rejoining at some point in the future. 0:09:36.679 --> 0:09:40.880 And John Howard tonight on Andrew Bolt's program had some advice. 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.480 I am very sorry that this has happened, and I 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:51.720 urge both parties to work over time to put the 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:56.559 coalition back together again, because all the history of Australias 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.160 suggests that the glory days of the Liberal Party, the 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.680 National Party, the Old Country Party are when they are 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:08.960 working together in government. My experience as a Liberal leader 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.680 and as a coalition prime minister is that if you 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:16.839 have a strong coalition and plenty of trust, you can 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.480 resolve any policy different. 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.520 Well, here's how I look at this. I don't blame 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.040 the Nationals for what they have done. Do I think 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.880 this is good? No, I think this is an absolute disaster. 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:29.960 I think this is really really poor. 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.280 But in the end, it's actually the Nationals who are 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.520 propping up the coalition right now because the Liberals did 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.920 so poorly during the election campaign, and it's actually the 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:43.120 Nationals who did very well other than the seat from 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:48.000 the former Deputy Leader Peren Davy. Other than that seat, 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.679 they actually are propping up the coalition right now. The 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:54.439 Nationals know what they stand for, they know what their 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:57.640 policies are. Susan Lee came out last week after she 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.319 was elected as Liberal leader and she was asked about 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.840 nuclear She was asked about net zero by twenty fifty 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:04.480 and she said, well, I need to consult with the 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.800 party room. I'm not going to make a captain's pick. 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.520 It didn't sound awfully convincing. Albeit she'd only been in 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.520 the job for a couple of hours, but it was 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:13.800 not convincing to me. 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:14.680 And if this is a. 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:17.199 Serious Liberal party then they're going to have to put 0:11:17.240 --> 0:11:20.400 some serious policies together. Otherwise the future of Conservative politics 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:21.440 is going down the wayside. 0:11:21.600 --> 0:11:24.200 No look, I think we're being a bit unfair to 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:27.200 Susan here. I actually think think about where we are. 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:30.400 Less than three weeks ago the election was held. Her 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.560 mother has tragically passed away. The Nationals have then come 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.120 into the coalition agreement making process with a list of 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:42.920 four specific policy demands. They also want the ability for 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:49.040 shadow ministers to break shadow ministerial solidarity and vote against 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.440 the party on contentious issues. Now, I just think that 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:57.320 is unprecedented. Firstly, and also why now now? Some of 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.640 the nationals are making the argument that if we don't 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:02.000 assert this now, these policies aren't going to get up. 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.000 But how can you really believe that? Even if you 0:12:05.040 --> 0:12:07.600 look at the numbers of the leadership battle, they were 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.000 really close. I don't think the Liberal Party is ready 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:13.960 to abandon nuclear or a range of those sort of 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.040 regional Australian policies. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.640 So I just don't see why they've done this. 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.560 I think it's caused so much more harm than good. 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:25.600 And David little Proud was questioned about this on Paul 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:27.400 Murray tonight and this is what he said. 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:32.000 But the circumstances that Susan had in terms of wanting 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:35.040 to be able to announce a shadow cabinet, which meant 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:38.040 a coalition agreement had to be done in the coming days, 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:42.080 but not being able to give us that comfort or 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.680 guarantee that those policies that we were looking at could 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.960 be guaranteed because she wanted to go through a longer 0:12:48.360 --> 0:12:53.520 elongated period of policy formation that we couldn't sign up 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.280 to her because these are hard fought wings that would 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:57.120 change the lives of people in region. 0:12:57.120 --> 0:13:01.880 Austrade, but that period of policy formation was one of 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:05.560 the key planks Susan Lee ran on when she became 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.600 a Liberal leader because there was criticism of the last 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:13.360 leader that decision making was centralized, shadow minister's backbenches weren't consultant. 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:17.600 Susan has been very focused in making sure those mistakes 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:18.679 aren't repeated again. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:20.920 James, was there any point to this move? 0:13:21.080 --> 0:13:21.800 Okay, A couple of things. 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.320 I disagree with you on Frere firstly, and I want 0:13:24.320 --> 0:13:25.640 to be careful with this because I don't want to 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.800 be misinterpreted. Everybody is very sad and sympathetic for Susan 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.560 Lee that her mother passed away. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.480 That's a given. That's a terrible thing for any family 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:35.959 to face. But I have a. 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.000 Little bit of a problem with that being used as 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.640 her mother just passed away. To be fair, she took 0:13:41.679 --> 0:13:44.800 on the leadership knowing her mother was in pellative care. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.280 I think with the understanding that her mother could pass 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:49.080 at any moment. 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:50.719 So I think you've got a way up. 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.960 Do I want to take on that position with my 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:56.400 family facing this problem right now? If you take on 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.600 the position, then you take on the position knowing full 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.760 well you may have to deal with this while confronting that. 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.640 I don't think you can use that as a where 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:08.120 the Nationals should have been kinder and weighted. I don't 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.080 think this is a divorce, Frayer. I think this is, 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.079 you know, both parties having some alone time or they 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:14.320 work themselves out. 0:14:14.920 --> 0:14:17.720 And I just think, it's not you, it's me exactly, 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.560 and not you, it's me. But hopefully we might reconcile 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:21.040 later on. 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.080 And I'm sure, but how do you have a relationship 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.080 with someone who's still trying to figure out who they are? 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.320 And that's where the Liberal Party are at. They're not 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:31.160 ruling anything in, not ruling anything out. They've got their 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.840 feet firmly planted in mid air. How do you hold 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:34.800 hands and walk with that? 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:36.960 I agree, and I still think this is a problem 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.760 with a liberal party right now is they do not 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:40.040 know what their policies are. 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:42.120 But the Nationals are full formed. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.720 They're going, let's drop net zero by twenty fifty, let's 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:46.920 reintroduce nuclear and what are the Liberals doing? 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.120 But that's fraggering it out. 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.240 But that's the whole point of the party room. That's 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:52.360 the whole point of having your shadow ministers. You then 0:14:52.440 --> 0:14:54.680 have those debates. I don't see why they couldn't do 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.240 this in a couple months time, once those debates have 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.440 actually been had. But bringing this now, it's just blowing 0:15:00.440 --> 0:15:02.080 the thing up before they've even got together. 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.080 Doesn't it suggest to you that there are too many 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.160 moderates in the Liberal Party who do not support nuclear 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:10.120 energy and do not support pulling out of the Powers Agreement, 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.280 And that is that is the problem here, because if 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:13.920 you keep going down this track. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.480 The lives are going to be in the wilderness for. 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:17.440 So many more years to come unless I have actual, 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.680 straightforward and straight down the line policies to differentiate. 0:15:20.720 --> 0:15:22.320 And the other issue I have is people saying, well, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.000 the Nats have blown up the coalition. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:27.000 The Liberals blew up the Liberals all by themselves. They 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:28.400 did a great job. 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.280 And the short poor number of seats they've got in 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:33.400 the Parliament that you showed the nika A pretty much 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:33.840 proofs that. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:36.320 I Well, it'll be interesting to see how they can 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:37.440 reunite after this. 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:39.240 I'm sure they will. They'll come back. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:40.000 Well, they have to. 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.720 Love always wins in the end. 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:45.840 James first and beautiful exactly. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:49.520 Now moving on to the Australian housing sector is it 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.040 is no secret that this has been a challenging industry 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.200 for Australia for a long time, but some new data 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:02.280 has revealed some startling statistics. Official productivity data has revealed 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:07.440 that while dwelling construction productivity has collapsed over the last decade, 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:12.280 the downturn has accelerated over the past five years, with 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:16.440 estimates that the supply of new homes is forty percent 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:21.320 below what is needed to meet demand. Now, what is 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.479 causing this well, a whole range of things, mainly workforce 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:31.720 shortages in the construction sector and also massive over regulation. 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.960 So the Masters Builders Association said that last year there 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:40.840 was a one hundred and thirty thousand trady shortfall one 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:44.800 hundred and thirty thousand and around half the price of 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.640 a land and new home build in Australia goes towards 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:53.360 taxes and regulations. It is honestly a miracle that our 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:57.000 construction sector is building anything at all at the moment. 0:16:57.280 --> 0:16:59.320 On top of that, you have high interest rates, you 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:03.360 have high material cost and then you have militant union activity, 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:06.959 particularly the CFMU, which has been shown to drive our 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:10.960 building costs as much as thirty percent. Now it seems 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.600 like we have layer after layer of problem here. How 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.439 do we begin to unwind this? 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:18.600 James Well, my question, Fray is when does a government 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:22.280 pledge become a government out and out live is the 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.640 Labor government would they promised one point two million homes 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.119 by the end of the decade. According to these figures, 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:31.679 we'd need sixty thousand new homes every quarter. 0:17:32.040 --> 0:17:33.440 We've never built that many. 0:17:33.240 --> 0:17:35.680 Homes and at the same time we're demanding the most 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:38.399 we've ever asked of the construction industry. We've got the 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:42.280 lowest productivity ever in the construction industry and this would 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:43.320 not be news. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:46.120 To the Albanezy government. They would be fully aware of this. 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.160 So how can you promise one point two million new 0:17:49.200 --> 0:17:53.200 homes whilst knowing you're asking for something never done before 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.359 from an industry that's never been less productive. It's an 0:17:56.400 --> 0:18:00.000 out and out lie masquerading as an election problem. 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.240 And look, the Master Builders has been very strong on 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.160 this from the beginning. You've got Alberizi coming out promising 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.800 one point two million homes by the end of the decade, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.400 but there were estimations last year that they would only 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:13.080 build one hundred thousand homes last year alone. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.440 So it was so it's so well below the target. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:17.000 But overall, you've. 0:18:16.800 --> 0:18:19.359 Got housing affordability at its worst level in more than 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.159 two decades, and building approvals are already at two year lows. 0:18:23.359 --> 0:18:26.040 People are being squeezed out of the housing market. We've 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:29.440 got record migration, well the one point one million migrants 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:32.639 have come into this country since Anthony Albanesi took office 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:33.480 three years ago. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:35.520 Where are you going to house all these people? And 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:37.080 this is half of and this is half the problem. 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.800 And I just I just had this one more point 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.560 that they there was even predictions that Melbourne alone will 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.679 reach the size of New York City by twenty fifty 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:48.600 nine million people. Again, where are you going to put 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.480 all these people? We have not planned properly for the future. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:54.600 The master builders have had it because they're under pressure. 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:57.560 They're trying to get their tradees and they're not they're 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:01.280 not being supported by the Anthony Albanesi government. And so 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.160 you know Anthony Albanezi, it's easy for him to say, oh, well, 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.240 look the economy's doing. Oh well, it's a Ponzi scheme 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:09.520 that's been propped up by Migro just on Melbourne. 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.280 Can you I mentione the population of New York and 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.879 then consider their social policies with the population of New 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:17.040 York with the culture of San Francisco would. 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:17.440 Want to live there. 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.480 But he picked up on a really interesting point there, Dinaninka. 0:19:20.760 --> 0:19:23.719 The reality is that even if Australia was building at 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.800 our record high rate, which is around two hundred and 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:30.800 thirty thousand homes a year, it would still not be 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:36.120 enough to sufficiently house Australians because of the record migration. 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:39.560 And that is the elephant in the room. No amount 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.760 of housing future funds, no amount of government funding, is 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:46.800 going to solve the fact that you have a huge 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:51.760 influx of demand coming in through net overseas migration. In 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:55.600 twenty twenty three alone we had over five hundred thousand. 0:19:55.880 --> 0:20:02.119 That is like bringing in another Canberra in No amounts 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.520 of construction could actually meet that demand. 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:06.919 And the other thing is is that nobody ever voted 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:09.240 for a big Australia policy, but this is where we're 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:12.000