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Speaker 1: This is number one hundred. You're on the air with

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Speaker 1: Jason and Lauren Clints here as well. We do want

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Speaker 1: to thank so mates. It's already express and lock your

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Speaker 1: doors if you're driving through Richmond.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my suburb.

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Speaker 3: Which is quite terrifying to think about that something like

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Speaker 3: this has happened very close to home. But these scenes

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Speaker 3: were terrifying. You might have caught it on the news yesterday.

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Speaker 3: A lady was unloading her bike at a bike shop

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Speaker 3: on Swan Street, just outside the Richmond train station, near

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Speaker 3: that pizza shop from T and L bakery. Yes, just

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Speaker 3: down the road from T and L. It is a

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Speaker 3: very very busy stretch of road right there, and thank

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Speaker 3: goodness it is busy because as she was unloading her bike,

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Speaker 3: an absolute how would you describe a thug?

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Speaker 2: A thug tried to carjack that vehicle.

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Speaker 4: So I've seen the videos. It only picks up what

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Speaker 4: I've seen is him in the.

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Speaker 3: Very much aftermath the video. But what what you do

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Speaker 3: see is a band of good Samaritans, just incredibly brave people.

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Speaker 4: And they blocked him in.

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Speaker 3: They blocked him in. One one of these everyday heroes

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Speaker 3: was armed with a golf club that he'd retrieved he

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Speaker 3: was a cyclist, he'd retrieve the club out the back

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Speaker 3: of the car and was trying to his best to

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Speaker 3: sort of at the same time prize the thug out

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Speaker 3: of the car but also apprehend him. And what ensued

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Speaker 3: was like a bit of a tussle. They were trying

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Speaker 3: to tackle the bloke. The bloke did eventually get away

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Speaker 3: to a waiting car.

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Speaker 4: They were saying to him, there's nowhere to go, mate, We've.

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Speaker 2: Blocked you in, We've blocked you in. There's nowhere to go.

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Speaker 4: Got out on foot and ran to another waiting vistica

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Speaker 4: a waiting ute which they had the doors locked and couldn't.

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Speaker 3: Get in initially, which took off down turned a right

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Speaker 3: down sort of cremorn way. But what it speaks to

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Speaker 3: is that it's clearly an issue right now in Victoria.

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Speaker 3: This is daylight to make but also just just no

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Speaker 3: a terrifying episode.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, this is having a broad daylight now city,

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Speaker 1: like what is going There is no fear in the

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Speaker 1: criminals out there at the moment.

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Speaker 4: There is just none, and it does feel like Melbournians

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Speaker 4: are fighting back. Oh yeah, it's I mean, it was

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Speaker 4: amazing to see all those good smaritans run to help

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Speaker 4: that it is that lady.

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Speaker 2: Fifteen fifteen of them.

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Speaker 4: That's just about numbers one.

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: George Ballat is a criminal lawyer. We spoke to him

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Speaker 1: earlier about because there are consequences with getting involved, and.

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Speaker 4: For me also it's scary because you don't know if

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Speaker 4: it's got a weapon.

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Speaker 1: This is the thing. I know, this sounds horrible, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I would run towards that situation

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Speaker 1: these days, just knowing that there's no fear of criminals

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Speaker 1: like you said that the god knows the guy could

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Speaker 1: have a bloody knife on him, the cars ensured. Is

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Speaker 1: it worth it?

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Speaker 4: I know? But you see those like remember the guy

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Speaker 4: in Burke Street where all the citizens the public pinned

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Speaker 4: him down and they put a crate on his head,

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Speaker 4: and there were more of them than they managed to

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Speaker 4: get him under after he'd already done far too much damage.

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Speaker 1: The other thing to take into account is the legal

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Speaker 1: ramifications of whether you can perform a citizen so the

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Speaker 1: rules exactly. George Ballot is a criminal lawyer. We spoke

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Speaker 1: to him earlier about this.

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Speaker 5: Section four or five eight of the Crimes Act allows

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Speaker 5: any member of the community or a police officer to

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Speaker 5: apprehend someone without a warrant, but the test is that

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Speaker 5: they must find them committee in the.

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Speaker 4: Fen right, So you can't just go tackling people in

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Speaker 4: the street.

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Speaker 5: That's right, and that offense can't just be a by

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Speaker 5: law like a parking ticket.

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Speaker 2: Right. Does it matter how you apprehend them?

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Speaker 3: Do you have to be careful about, you know, how

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Speaker 3: you pin them to the ground, how you stop them

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Speaker 5: You need to exercise reasonable force, the not excessive force,

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Speaker 5: so otherwise you might find yourself charged within the cell.

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Speaker 5: You also need to be very cautious about not falling

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Speaker 5: to the trap of being charged with false imprisonment if

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Speaker 5: you detain them without a reasonable excuse.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of crime doing the rounds in Melbourne.

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Speaker 2: You are a criminal lawyer, How are you finding it

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Speaker 2: right now?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're finding that a lot more people are being

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Speaker 5: remanded in custody right since the new Bay laws have

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Speaker 5: coming to effect. People are being placed in police stations

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Speaker 5: and only meant to house people for a very short

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Speaker 5: period of time, for two weeks at a time, instead

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Speaker 5: of being putting that full time prison. So there certainly

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Speaker 5: has been a shift to remand rather than release on bail.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, look, that's some good news at least, well,

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Speaker 1: that is good news.

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Speaker 3: The prisons are feeling and quickly. But you touched on

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Speaker 3: it before. If you were there in Richmond and you

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Speaker 3: saw that happening, what would you both do.

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Speaker 4: I think adrenaline would kick in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, And.

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Speaker 4: I think it would depend how many people were around,

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Speaker 4: if there were, if there were many more people helping.

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Speaker 4: I mean, as a female, it would be hard on

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Speaker 4: my own to go and try and get that out

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Speaker 4: of the car, and it would actually be a silly

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Speaker 4: thing to get that if there are a whole crew

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Speaker 4: around and I could assist in some way.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Yeah, I think adrenaline.

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Speaker 2: You're right.

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Speaker 1: I think adrenaline would kick in and I'd run in there.

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Speaker 3: But you have to possess because it does initially take

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Speaker 3: one person to be the first time one and get

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Speaker 3: in there, and.

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Speaker 1: I just.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't worth it. It is you don't know, the

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Speaker 2: cars insure armed.

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Speaker 1: The cars ensured that lady's going to get you know,

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Speaker 1: like it's horrible, but it's property over people.

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Speaker 2: I would just to sit here and say that I

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Speaker 2: would run in and help.

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Speaker 3: But in that split second, I'd be concerned about the

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Speaker 3: mindset of that that thug.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that some people just going to fight off.

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Speaker 2: Of course they do.

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Speaker 4: Some people would go, no.

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Speaker 2: This is wrong. Fifteen help.

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Speaker 3: Fifteen bystanders going about their sort of daily tasks are

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Speaker 3: absolute heroes.

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Speaker 1: This morning, Clinton, I a week we'll say that.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you've got to be smart too.

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Speaker 1: You can't be you know what the old me would

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Speaker 1: have said at run in there.

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Speaker 4: But I might be with five blokes and then you

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Speaker 4: exactly safety in numbers and you feel more powerful. You like,

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Speaker 4: five of us can take this guy down. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: I was at a cafe the other week.

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Speaker 1: I was at a cafe and Bentley the other week,

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Speaker 1: which I go to all the time, and there was

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Speaker 1: a guy sort of lumped over a table out in

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Speaker 1: front of the cafe, right, and he'd been like that

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Speaker 1: for forty five minutes. And the owner doesn't speak very

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Speaker 1: good English, and Tom asked me to call the police

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Speaker 1: on his behalf. I did, and the cops like, oh,

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Speaker 1: can you go over and try and wake him up?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, mate, I'll be honest at the moment, like.

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Speaker 2: How's he going to respond?

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Speaker 1: Like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: That's like a welfare check. They were trying to find

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Speaker 4: out if he was breathing.

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Speaker 1: I know, but at the moment, it's just just the

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Speaker 1: vibe in this city. People don't feel safe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a bit going.

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Speaker 1: On, isn't it. But you know, hats off to those

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Speaker 1: people who did help in Richmond yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It's scary scenes. I watched that video show women at.

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Speaker 2: All Jason, Lauren, Lauren wake up feeling good following them

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Speaker 2: on the socials.

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Speaker 1: So h