WEBVTT - Sarah Hanson-Young on Murdoch’s gas ‘greenwashing’

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<v Speaker 1>From Schwartz Media. I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven AM.

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<v Speaker 1>Last week, news Court tabloids ran front page stories all

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<v Speaker 1>around the country saying a similar thing that Australia needed

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<v Speaker 1>to step on the gas or else we'll face blackouts

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<v Speaker 1>and soaring electricity prices. But you had to turn the

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<v Speaker 1>page to find out that the coverage, labeled as an

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<v Speaker 1>exclusive special report was in fact sponsored by major gas companies.

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<v Speaker 1>The Greens are now planning to call Murdock Media executives

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<v Speaker 1>before a Senate inquiry into greenwashing, saying the reporting was

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<v Speaker 1>no more than propaganda masquerading as news. Today. Green spokesperson

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<v Speaker 1>for Communications and chair of the Senate inquiry into greenwashing,

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah Hanson Young on gas warfare and the power of

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<v Speaker 1>the fossil fuel lobby. It's Wednesday eleven, so Senator Hanson Young,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to seven Am. It's great to have you on

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<v Speaker 1>the show. Thanks for having me. So I thought we

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<v Speaker 1>could start with the reports we saw recently in multiple

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<v Speaker 1>news Court papers about the importance of the gas industry.

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<v Speaker 1>What did you think when you first saw those front pages.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it was pretty extraordinary, wasn't it. The idea that

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<v Speaker 2>big gas lobby groups industry can take over front pages

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<v Speaker 2>of daily newspapers and have such sway inside I was

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<v Speaker 2>obviously dressed up as news even though it wasn't, and

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<v Speaker 2>frankly and it looked pretty much like propaganda to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you looked past the front page inside the papers,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this note that what was running was actually

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<v Speaker 1>it was an advertorial so sponsored by APA Group, which

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<v Speaker 1>is this gas infrastructure business and several gas companies as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that enough was done to disclose that

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that this was a paid advertisement rather than

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<v Speaker 1>a straight news report as it might have seemed on

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<v Speaker 1>first class No.

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<v Speaker 2>Not enough was done at all, And that was how

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<v Speaker 2>it was designed. It was designed to look like news

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<v Speaker 2>even though it was just propaganda. You have to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of go and find the small print. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>a really concerning element. I mean, this really shows the

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<v Speaker 2>power of the fossil fuel industry in Australia, the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>they have with the media, particularly the Murdock Press. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in other countries, you know, you might call

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here reminiscent of a petro state, but

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<v Speaker 2>of course what might be seen as corruption elsewhere here

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia seems like it's you know, doing business.

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<v Speaker 1>You've said that you plan to call Murdock executives for

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate to answer questions from this committee investigation into greenwashing,

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<v Speaker 1>of which you are the chair. Tell me what you

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to achieve here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've been running this green washing inquiry for over

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<v Speaker 2>a year now and it's been extraordinary actually to really

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<v Speaker 2>be able to drill down to the level of green

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<v Speaker 2>washing that we see in everyday media and advertising in Australia,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of it is coming from the fossil

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<v Speaker 2>fuel industry as they're desperate to kind of generate and

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<v Speaker 2>keep hold of a social license. You know, this is

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<v Speaker 2>just the latest example, frankly, we've seen in recent months

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<v Speaker 2>the expose of the gas industry taking out sponsorship of

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<v Speaker 2>Master Chef. We've looked at that through our green washing inquiry,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is an industry that's not trying to sell

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<v Speaker 2>a product. They're selling and promoting the idea of fossil

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<v Speaker 2>fuels being good and gas being good. They're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>purchase a social license.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you had any response at all from anyone in

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<v Speaker 1>News Corp?

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<v Speaker 2>Not as yet, and I think you know we will

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<v Speaker 2>press go on this in the new year when the

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<v Speaker 2>committee can reconvene and we can run this hearing. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's pretty blatant, and I guess that's why I

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<v Speaker 2>said it at the beginning. In other countries, I think

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<v Speaker 2>this would be called out as corruption, the power of

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<v Speaker 2>this industry in the media, the power in politics, and

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<v Speaker 2>the influence they have over our parliament and politicians. But

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<v Speaker 2>in Australia, this isn't corruption. In Australia, this is just

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<v Speaker 2>doing business for the gas industry.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you compel them to attend if they refuse to come?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Senate inquiry and under the normal Senate Committee rules,

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<v Speaker 2>we actually have very powerful rules around compelling and subpoenaing witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I hope news corps don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>be subpoenaed and they can just compared to stand by

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<v Speaker 2>it and come and ask answer questions.

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<v Speaker 1>That we ask.

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<v Speaker 2>But we'll see if we need to compel them.

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<v Speaker 1>We will coming up after the break. How the Greens

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<v Speaker 1>say the fossil fuel lobby influenced environmental reform. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the negotiations that the Greens or involved in

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<v Speaker 1>very recently on the nature positive legislation. Just how close

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<v Speaker 1>did you come to striking a deal with the Environment

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<v Speaker 1>minister with Tania Plibasac.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this is a really good example of the power

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<v Speaker 2>that the fossil fuel industry have, not just through the media,

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<v Speaker 2>but then how they use that influence in the media

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<v Speaker 2>to get to politicians. And I spent months negotiating with

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<v Speaker 2>Tania Plipasek as the Environment Minister. The government, of course

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<v Speaker 2>had already weakened their environmental policies earlier this year. They

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<v Speaker 2>promised the electorate that they were going to fix Australia's

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<v Speaker 2>environment laws, that environment was back on the agenda.

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<v Speaker 1>But instead of doing all.

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<v Speaker 2>That, in April, under huge pressure from the fossil fuel

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<v Speaker 2>industry and the mining lobby, particularly in Wa, the Labor

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<v Speaker 2>government dumped all the hard stuff and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>were left with the shell of a bureaucracy and that's

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<v Speaker 2>the Environment Protection Agency, and that was the piece of

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<v Speaker 2>legislation that we were left to kind of negotiate and

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<v Speaker 2>see what we could get through the Parliament. I was

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<v Speaker 2>back and forth with Tanni Plibersek many times, but of

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<v Speaker 2>course even that watered down version was seen as a

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<v Speaker 2>threat by the fossil fuel industry and the big miners

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<v Speaker 2>and the big loggers, and they swung into action. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a minute to midnight when the Government and

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<v Speaker 2>I were seeing what could be done, what could pass

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<v Speaker 2>the parliament. Before you know it, fossil fuel industries on

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<v Speaker 2>the phone to the prime ministers, of these editorials being

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<v Speaker 2>written in newspapers, and lo and behold the fossil fuel

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<v Speaker 2>industry crow only hours after the Prime Minister had told

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<v Speaker 2>us there was no deal.

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<v Speaker 1>So your claim is that the industry had the ear

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<v Speaker 1>of the prime minister. Why do you think that he

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<v Speaker 1>killed the bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I think the industries had the ear of many

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<v Speaker 2>politicians in Canberra. And you know, you see them walking

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<v Speaker 2>around the building on any individual given sitting day. You

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<v Speaker 2>see them hanging out at the coffee shop, You see

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<v Speaker 2>them walk their lobbyists walking the corridors. They have had

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<v Speaker 2>the ear of the Prime minister, yes, but they've had

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<v Speaker 2>the ear of Peter Dutton. And I think you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the scariest things about all of this, and

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<v Speaker 2>you look at the propaganda in the Murdoch Press last week.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at how they crowed after these environmental reforms

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<v Speaker 2>were dumped. The fossil fuel industry don't want the Greens

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<v Speaker 2>in balance of power, but they probably want Peter Dutton

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<v Speaker 2>more than even the Labor Party, because Peter Dutton will

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<v Speaker 2>bend over backwards even further the legislation.

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<v Speaker 1>It hasn't been withdrawn though it is still listed in

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<v Speaker 1>the Senate. Do you think it'll be revisited next year?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, look, it is the unfinished business of this parliament.

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<v Speaker 1>It was promised to be done.

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<v Speaker 2>What is on the table is a minuscule amount of

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<v Speaker 2>what was promised. I'll work hard to get some real

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<v Speaker 2>law reform through before Parliament ends and the elections on.

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<v Speaker 2>But the government's got to have the guts to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>And whether it's bowing to the pressures of the fossil

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<v Speaker 2>fuel industry, the Murdock Press, the Nightly, which I might

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<v Speaker 2>say backed by Gina rein Hart, this new newspaper. You

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<v Speaker 2>want to think about the power that the fossil fuel

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<v Speaker 2>industry and the mining lobby have in Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>It is extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 2>Their claws reach into all of these different parts of

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<v Speaker 2>media and politics, and the Greens won't be.

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<v Speaker 1>Bullied by them.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not convinced that either the Labor Party or

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<v Speaker 2>the Liberal Party will stare them down.

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<v Speaker 1>To speak a bit more broadly, a lot of legislation

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<v Speaker 1>did go through during the last week of Parliament on

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<v Speaker 1>the back of deals made by the Greens. There was

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<v Speaker 1>the Helped Buy scheme. You know in the past have

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<v Speaker 1>also seen the Safeguard mechanism, Housing Affordability Fund. So it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like in general at this point in time

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<v Speaker 1>there is this willingness on the part of the Greens

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<v Speaker 1>to work with the government to pass laws. Is there

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<v Speaker 1>also a risk here that if you do that that

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<v Speaker 1>the Greens will not have enough of a point of

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<v Speaker 1>difference with this government that does seem to be increasingly unpopular.

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<v Speaker 1>How much of a concern is that to you as

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<v Speaker 1>we get closer to the election.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, our job is to push labor to be better,

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<v Speaker 2>hold their feet to the fire and get outcomes that

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<v Speaker 2>are good for the community and are good for the environment.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know people well they're disappointed, deeply disappointed in

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<v Speaker 2>labor and you know want them to be better. They're

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<v Speaker 2>terrified of Peter Dutton and what a Liberal coalition government

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<v Speaker 2>could do. Backed by the likes of Gina ryan Hart

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<v Speaker 2>the Murdock Press and following in the footsteps and taking

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<v Speaker 2>their cues from Donald Trump. I might say the hard

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<v Speaker 2>right have a license like I've never seen before under

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership of Peter Dutton, and that's terrifying to a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>So, you know, our job is to hold labor.

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<v Speaker 2>To account, to get outcomes for the environment, to work

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<v Speaker 2>hard to get outcomes for the community. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think people see the difference. You know, the Greens are

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<v Speaker 2>trusted on the environment. We're trusted to call it out

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<v Speaker 2>when it needs to be called out, and we're trusted

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<v Speaker 2>to stand up for people over profit.

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<v Speaker 1>We're trusted to do that and we're expected to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>The next selection seems likely to Liberal minority government. Adam

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<v Speaker 1>Bann has said that he is pushing for some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of power sharing deal with Labor. That's what he will

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<v Speaker 1>be doing. Do you think that Labor is likely to

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<v Speaker 1>agree to any kind of formal arrangement.

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<v Speaker 2>I think minority government and a Parliament that has to

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<v Speaker 2>work together to negotiate, to hear a diversity of voices

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure the community and our environment is represented

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<v Speaker 2>is a good parliament for Australia.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're going to be realistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at the look at how the community votes. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>the last election, Labor got their lowest result that they've

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<v Speaker 2>had since World War Two. In less than a third

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<v Speaker 2>of the country voted for the Labor Party, around a

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<v Speaker 2>third voted for the coalition, and a third voted for

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<v Speaker 2>Greens and Independent.

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<v Speaker 1>So other parties and voices.

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<v Speaker 2>Australians want more than just this duopoly of Labor and

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<v Speaker 2>Liberal and I think the minority parliament, a minority government,

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<v Speaker 2>a parliament that has to negotiate, that has to work together,

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<v Speaker 2>will be one that delivers better outcomes for people.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you have the Prime Minister pulling out of

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<v Speaker 1>negotiations like he did over these environmental laws at the

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<v Speaker 1>very last minute, it is a little hard to see

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<v Speaker 1>how there would be enough goodwill for there to be

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of formal working relationship with the Greens in

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<v Speaker 1>the next parliament.

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<v Speaker 2>The Greens are up for it. We actually are pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good at negotiating. We don't get everything we want, but

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<v Speaker 2>we do get a lot, and it'll take some maturity

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<v Speaker 2>and some humbleness from Labor, absolutely, but this is what

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<v Speaker 2>the if, this is what the community votes for, this

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<v Speaker 2>is what we need to deliver, and a stronger Green

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<v Speaker 2>voice both in the House of Representatives and in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Gives the community.

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<v Speaker 2>The insurance that we will be in there to fight

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<v Speaker 2>for them and to fight for a sustainable and green future,

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<v Speaker 2>not just doing the bidding of the vested interest. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I know we've talked a lot about the fossil fuel

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<v Speaker 2>lobby here, but you know, you could have exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>same conversation with me about what's going on in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of a gambling reform. There was a big promise to

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<v Speaker 2>crack down on the harms of gambling, to stop the

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<v Speaker 2>advertising of gambling, which is so insidious in our community.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, just like years ago we bouned tobacco advertising

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<v Speaker 2>because smoking and tobacco is harmful to people. Didn't say

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<v Speaker 2>you didn't you couldn't smoke, just we don't allow these

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<v Speaker 2>dangerous and harmful products to be promoted and advertised. Despite promising,

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<v Speaker 2>Labor and Liberal have gone weak at the knees because

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<v Speaker 2>of the vested interest in the gambling lobby. And the

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<v Speaker 2>only people standing up and calling this out are the

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<v Speaker 2>grands and independents. And it's because we can't be bought

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<v Speaker 2>in the same way as the two major parties.

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<v Speaker 1>Senator, thank you so much for your time. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Also in the news today, twenty six year old Luigi

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<v Speaker 1>Nicholas Mangioni has been charged with the murder of United

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<v Speaker 1>Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson. Mangioni was arrested after being spotted

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<v Speaker 1>in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania, where police claim he was

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<v Speaker 1>in possession of a gun, silencer, fake IDs, and a

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<v Speaker 1>handwritten document saying quote, I do apologize for any strife

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<v Speaker 1>and trauma, but it had to be done. And fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>bodies have been found in the notorious Sednaya prison in Syria.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, tens of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people had been locked up in what Amnesty

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<v Speaker 1>called a human slaughter house, charged with political crimes under

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<v Speaker 1>the Assad regime. The prisons were thrown open after the

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<v Speaker 1>rebels forced Assad to flee the country, prompting ordinary Syrians

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<v Speaker 1>to rush the prisons in search of family and friends.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven am. See tomorrow