Speaker 1: Prime Time Opinion on Skying Is Australia starts now.
Speaker 2: Live on Sky News Australia.
Speaker 3: This is Denika di Georgio.
Speaker 4: Good evening and welcome to the show. Coming up tonight,
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister announces a sweeping firearms crackdown in the
Speaker 4: wake of the Bondai massacre as he again dances around
Speaker 4: the topic of radical Islam.
Speaker 5: Nationals leader David little Proud will join me.
Speaker 4: Seven men arrested during a police operation in Sydney on
Speaker 4: suspicion of planning a violent attack and motivated by extremist
Speaker 4: Islamic Islamic ideology. They've just been released from custody. I'll
Speaker 4: ask former New South Wales counter terrorism Minister David Elliot
Speaker 4: why and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Etna, who tells Anthony
Speaker 4: Albanesi to wake up in an exclusive interview with sky
Speaker 4: News first tonight. If we don't talk about the religious
Speaker 4: motivations allegedly behind the Bondai attack, then when will we.
Speaker 4: But the Prime Minister's strategy is deny, deny, deny, because
Speaker 4: he can't even bring himself to say the words radical Islam,
Speaker 4: and so his big solution a gun amnesty.
Speaker 6: There are now more than four million firearms in Australia,
Speaker 6: more then at the time of the Port Arthur massacre
Speaker 6: nearly thirty years ago. The Government will introduce legislation to
Speaker 6: support the funding of this buyback scheme and meet the
Speaker 6: costs on a fifty to fifty basis with states and territories.
Speaker 4: Look, this is his very own Victorian machete bin moment,
Speaker 4: fake solutions to a serious issue. The Prime Minister even
Speaker 4: went as far as to blame sovereign citizens.
Speaker 6: There have been, of course, incidents in both Queensland and
Speaker 6: Victoria that have seen so called sovereign citizens murder police officers.
Speaker 6: We will introduce the National buy Back Scheme to get
Speaker 6: guns off our streets and to help to assist to
Speaker 6: make all Australians safe.
Speaker 4: To get guns off the street, how about getting dangerous
Speaker 4: people off the street. It's everyone else's fault, but the
Speaker 4: fault of radical Islam. Fifteen innocent people were killed by
Speaker 4: two alleged jihadi sympathizers who police say were motivated by
Speaker 4: ISIS and the car they drove to Bondi had an
Speaker 4: ISIS flag.
Speaker 5: Twenty four year old Navin.
Speaker 4: Akram allegedly had links to Sydney's Almadina Dahwa Center, where
Speaker 4: he was allegedly distributing pamphlets for an Islamic street preaching
Speaker 4: group to spread the so called message.
Speaker 7: Read the spread the message the follows one and Muhammed
Speaker 7: lost miss and Dooa.
Speaker 8: O'cock both spread dalar where you can spread the message,
Speaker 8: not loads one wherever you can.
Speaker 3: Spread the message my pamphlets.
Speaker 9: Whether he won eye on and whether meaning healing or
Speaker 9: please guy, I will reward you or whatever action to
Speaker 9: do in your cause.
Speaker 10: Control of this will see you on the day of judgment.
Speaker 4: He also allegedly had links to hate preacher with some
Speaker 4: Hadad who's been spewing this sort of hate just thirty
Speaker 4: kilometers away from the scene of the massacre.
Speaker 11: I can't take away from the fact, first and foremost
Speaker 11: that jihad is definitely part of eld and as Muslims,
Speaker 11: we should never ever shy away from this. And yes
Speaker 11: there may be types of jihad, but of the peak
Speaker 11: of this jihad is that which the message of Muhammad
Speaker 11: Soalaladi was still and spoken about. And I'll read the
Speaker 11: hat it soon and that is fighting in the path
Speaker 11: of Allas origin a physical fight.
Speaker 4: But no, no, no cover your ears. Nothing at all
Speaker 4: to do with religion.
Speaker 5: This was all, of.
Speaker 4: Course about guns. Gun control will make you safe. Gun
Speaker 4: control will stop the hate being fested.
Speaker 5: Do I deny?
Speaker 4: Deny key reason why ASIO raised the terror threat level
Speaker 4: in August last year to probable because of more Australians
Speaker 4: embracing a range of extremist ideologies and an increased willingness
Speaker 4: to use violence to advance their political, ideological or religious objectives.
Speaker 4: But not, according to Anthony Aarbanesi.
Speaker 12: Radical Islam in your view, the greatest domestic security threat
Speaker 12: Australia faces.
Speaker 6: Well, the assessments are that that is one of the
Speaker 6: issues that we're dealing with. I want to deal with
Speaker 6: all of the threats, whether it be extremist perversions of
Speaker 6: Islam leading to support for the ideology promoted by Isis.
Speaker 6: Whether it be also concerned about the issue of sovereign
Speaker 6: citizens killing police in Victoria and Queensland. I'm concerned about
Speaker 6: Neo Nazis.
Speaker 4: There it goes again, deflecting in to sovereign citizen and
Speaker 4: right wing extremism territory. He was then pushed again by
Speaker 4: Sky News on the matter.
Speaker 12: Okay Sunday's attack and yesterday's police arrests, how many suspected
Speaker 12: Islamic extremists are on asio's watch list and considering these events,
Speaker 12: is radical Islam an enemy from within Australia? Are there
Speaker 12: too many people here who don't share Australia's values and culture.
Speaker 6: Well, when it comes to figures and Asia's work, I
Speaker 6: will leave those comments to the Director General and as
Speaker 6: to whether they wish to make those matters public, I
Speaker 6: can say this that one proponent of support for isis
Speaker 6: motivated by a perversion of Islam that leads to extremism
Speaker 6: is one too many.
Speaker 4: Well, the question is if it's a so called perversion
Speaker 4: of Islam, then what is he going to do about it?
Speaker 4: He's introduced gun reform, tighter hate speech laws even though
Speaker 4: existing laws he put in place have not been acted on,
Speaker 4: harsher penalties when it comes to online censorship, but no
Speaker 4: plans to deal with the heart of the issue. And
Speaker 4: we can't be surprised because he can't even bring himself
Speaker 4: to utter the words and say it out loud. Is
Speaker 4: a Prime minister going to shut down the mosques and
Speaker 4: centers in doctrinating radical Islam? How will he confront the
Speaker 4: doctrines that justify violence, like the Sahibukhari, which says the
Speaker 4: hour will not be established until you fight with the
Speaker 4: Jews and the stone behind which a Jew will be
Speaker 4: hiding will say, Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding
Speaker 4: behind me, so kill him. Will Muslim leaders come to
Speaker 4: the table on this and call it out. If a
Speaker 4: perversion of Islam has led to the deaths of fifteen Australians,
Speaker 4: then there's a serious responsibility on the part of the
Speaker 4: Prime Minister and Muslim community to address it.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 4: Of course, the majority of Muslims live peacefully in Australia
Speaker 4: and equally as horrorfied by what's happened in Bondai, But
Speaker 4: if parts of the community are allegedly carrying out terrorist
Speaker 4: acts in the name of Allah, then the conversation starts
Speaker 4: now about religiously motivated attacks, and it starts with our leaders.
Speaker 5: After having told.
Speaker 4: Us earlier in the week the Bondai massacre was not
Speaker 4: motivated by religion, the AFP commissioner duct and weaved again
Speaker 4: today when asked about it.
Speaker 13: There are groups and individuals across Australia who are eroding
Speaker 13: the country's social fabric by advocating hatred, fear and humiliation.
Speaker 13: And I'm not going to mince my words. Too much
Speaker 13: of this is directed at the Jewish community.
Speaker 5: Where is the hate coming from?
Speaker 4: Commissioner, Which group or individual is eroding our social fabric?
Speaker 5: Name it, call it out?
Speaker 4: At least the New South Wales Police Commissioner was willing
Speaker 4: to say the quiet part out loud.
Speaker 14: It is certainly one of our biggest security threats and
Speaker 14: we're certainly looking at radical Islamist extremism as.
Speaker 3: One of the ideologies. Sorry behind these males.
Speaker 4: Now, if the discussion about the so called perversion of
Speaker 4: Islam is avoided at all times, then how can we
Speaker 4: possibly work to dismantle it and quit the islamophobia cries?
Speaker 4: Every time Islam is brought up. Fifteen people have allegedly
Speaker 4: been murdered in cold blood due to radical Islam, just
Speaker 4: like the Link Cafe siege, the murder of Curtis Cheng,
Speaker 4: the attack on Bishop Marmari Emmanuel nine to eleven, the
Speaker 4: Barley bombings, the Paris attacks, the London bombings. I could
Speaker 4: go on and on, but of course nothing at all
Speaker 4: to do with religion, though right all to do with guns. Now,
Speaker 4: if this is not yet another wake up call for
Speaker 4: the Prime Minister to tackle extremism head on. Nothing will
Speaker 4: counter terror police have acted against another possible violent act
Speaker 4: from being carried out just days after Bondi, in a
Speaker 4: city already on edge, Police dramatically arrested seven men at
Speaker 4: gunpoint in Liverpool in Sydney Southwest yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 5: He was a police commissioner.
Speaker 14: I can say that the potential of a violent offense
Speaker 14: being committed was such that we were not prepared to
Speaker 14: tolerate the risk and interdicted accordingly. The information received was
Speaker 14: that Bondai may have been one of a number of
Speaker 14: locations that the males were intending to attend, but the
Speaker 14: reason for attending is unknown.
Speaker 4: Men's hands were zip tied behind their backs. As you
Speaker 4: can see, tactical officers armed with guns and wearing camouflage
Speaker 4: uniforms and helmets surrounded them. It appears also police for
Speaker 4: wheel drives crashed into the front of a Hyundai thirty,
Speaker 4: halting it in its tracks. Bean Bag rounds were also fired.
Speaker 4: Now I've got to say this is the sort of
Speaker 4: thing you'd expect to see in Gaza, something not in
Speaker 4: the middle of Sydney. I mean could you ever have
Speaker 4: imagined seeing scenes like that play out in our own backyard?
Speaker 4: And the Prime Minister said yesterday diversity is our strength.
Speaker 5: Give me a break.
Speaker 4: This is Anthony Aberneze's diversity at play. Deputy Commissioner Dave
Speaker 4: Hudson said the men are suspected of sharing the same
Speaker 4: extremist Islamic ideology as the Bondai attackers.
Speaker 2: We don't have definitive links between the individuals who committed
Speaker 2: these acrocities on Sunday and these yesterday, apart from potential commonality.
Speaker 3: In some thinking, that.
Speaker 1: Does sound like these people apprehended had a similar sort
Speaker 1: of ideological adherence to Islamic extremisn't as we've heard with
Speaker 1: the gunmt involved in the Bondi in the Bondai shooting.
Speaker 3: That's a bluef for this star jest.
Speaker 4: There's no established connection between the Liverpool arrests and the
Speaker 4: Bondai massacre. The men detained yesterday were known to Victorian
Speaker 4: police and a knife was seized from one.
Speaker 5: Of the vehicles.
Speaker 4: Sky News has also revealed that two of the men
Speaker 4: were under investigation by ASIO.
Speaker 9: It should give the Australian community, particularly Jewish Australians, but
Speaker 9: all Australian's confidence and comfort that asio the federal police
Speaker 9: in this case New Southwest on the job, they would
Speaker 9: be up on all of their networks, on all of
Speaker 9: their surveillance activities. Say it's a pretty high threshold.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 4: In the last few hours, New South Wales Police confirmed
Speaker 4: the seven men aged nineteen to twenty four have been
Speaker 4: released from custody without charge, pending further investigations.
Speaker 5: They say that.
Speaker 4: Police intercepted the men after receiving information that a violent
Speaker 4: act was possibly being planned. And my question is why
Speaker 4: go through all this to then release them? And I
Speaker 4: will ask the state's first counter terrorism Minister, David Elliott,
Speaker 4: that exact question shortly. But this is another very real
Speaker 4: reminder of the threat of Islamic extremism, the threat it
Speaker 4: poses to ask our values in the Jewish community. We
Speaker 4: know the warnings have been there for two years and
Speaker 4: it's culminated in the murders of fifteen people, including a
Speaker 4: ten year old girl. My colleague Sharry Markson spoke exclusively
Speaker 4: to Israeli Prime.
Speaker 5: Minister Benjamin Netnyahu about it.
Speaker 2: I call now too, for the intensification of security arrangements
Speaker 2: around Jewish institutions I'll talk about that a little more. Yep,
Speaker 2: going actively against these terrorist cells and these radical Islamic cells,
Speaker 2: acting to put them in jail, stop them before they act. Yes,
Speaker 2: I wanted all that to be done. And I say
Speaker 2: now to the Australian government, damn it, wake up. You
Speaker 2: don't need any more warnings. You've already received enough.
Speaker 4: The question is when will Anthony Albanezi listen joining me
Speaker 4: now live from Bondai. Is former Labor MP Joel Fitzgibbon.
Speaker 4: Joel really appreciate you joining us from Bondai. I know
Speaker 4: that you've been down there today paying your own respects,
Speaker 4: and we can see that the flowers behind you, they've
Speaker 4: just grown bigger, the memorials bigger and bigger as the
Speaker 4: days go on. Look, I have to ask you firstly
Speaker 4: about Labour's response to this. There's been a lot of
Speaker 4: anger in the Jewish community, particularly when it comes to
Speaker 4: the warnings have been there about anti Semitism. Has Labor
Speaker 4: failed in its duty to protect Jewish Australians Tanisa?
Speaker 15: There are so many unanswered questions. I mean, if Hummus
Speaker 15: hadn't crossed the Israeli border and murdered twelve hundred years.
Speaker 15: Would this terrible event we are dealing with now have
Speaker 15: happened if Israel had not taken such a forceful response.
Speaker 15: Would this event have happened if a mass had just
Speaker 15: headed back the hostages and laid down their arms. Would
Speaker 15: this terrible event have happened if the thresholds to the
Speaker 15: listing of terrorist scripts or for hate speech had been
Speaker 15: lowered earlier? Would this terrible event have taken place. We
Speaker 15: don't know the answer to any of these questions. But
Speaker 15: if there is one relatively good thing for one of
Speaker 15: a better term, to come out out of this horror
Speaker 15: and this evil, is that people now understand that this
Speaker 15: can happen in Australia. As terrible as it is, it
Speaker 15: is a reality check. And I don't think any Australian
Speaker 15: government in any jurisdiction in the future, when considering matters
Speaker 15: public policy that goes to the safety of our community,
Speaker 15: will ever will ever I'm not saying they have in
Speaker 15: the past, but will ever defer to anything else than
Speaker 15: doing all that they can to make sure everything possible
Speaker 15: is done and in every political calculus, even if it's
Speaker 15: there's a risk that's going to offend some other community,
Speaker 15: for example, I think in the future, people in elected
Speaker 15: office will be making sure that the take every opportunity
Speaker 15: to make us all safe.
Speaker 4: But shouldn't they have taken every opportunity from the start?
Speaker 4: I mean, can you understand the I guess the feelings
Speaker 4: of the Jewish community right now. They've said that this
Speaker 4: was their worst nightmare. This is what they were worried about,
Speaker 4: from the moment of the steps of the Sydney Opera
Speaker 4: House to the week in, week out, the marches that
Speaker 4: were seeing taking place in cities across the country that
Speaker 4: they were warning they were worried that it would end
Speaker 4: up resulting in the deaths, and now the deaths of
Speaker 4: fifteen people. I mean, should Labor have not taken a
Speaker 4: hard line stance from the steps of the Sydney Opera House.
Speaker 15: I certainly understand their anger and their sorrow. I mean,
Speaker 15: it's very confronting coming down here, emotionally challenging, and so
Speaker 15: you'd expect that from the Jewish community, particularly that here
Speaker 15: in Bondai. But both the Prime Minister and the Premier
Speaker 15: of New South Wales have both conceded if you like that,
Speaker 15: with the benefit of hindsight, more would would have been done,
Speaker 15: and I think the important thing is as we make
Speaker 15: our way through this terrible process, I think the important
Speaker 15: thing is that in the future more will be done,
Speaker 15: and I think there'll be many months available to us
Speaker 15: when the grief dies down a bit, the anger dies
Speaker 15: down a bit, the sorrow dies down a bit for
Speaker 15: us to have a broader post mortemon about as to
Speaker 15: whether more should have been done over the course of
Speaker 15: the period since October seventh, twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: The Prime Minister did go to the memorial that the
Speaker 4: one that you're at right now. He went on Monday morning,
Speaker 4: early morning. Hasn't been back since. Should he be going
Speaker 4: back because it seems like he's avoiding it because of
Speaker 4: the reception that he might receive.
Speaker 15: Well, I don't know. He might come back, but he
Speaker 15: has been here and he's been just about everywhere else
Speaker 15: in the five days since this terrible event, visit the
Speaker 15: people in hospital, people in their homes, spending church services
Speaker 15: and other Jewish services, etc. So he's been a National
Speaker 15: security committee, he's been in the cabinet, he's been a
Speaker 15: national cabinet.
Speaker 5: But should he go back, should he go both back
Speaker 5: to bond.
Speaker 3: Die right now?
Speaker 15: Well, that's the matter for him, Denigo. I mean you
Speaker 15: made the point yourself that he might not necessarily be
Speaker 15: welcomed here. I don't know whether that's true or not,
Speaker 15: but you've got to be smart with the allocation of
Speaker 15: your time. I'm sure he's prioritizing the things that can
Speaker 15: make a difference in a positive way for both the
Speaker 15: victims and their families and all those in the Jewish
Speaker 15: community who understandably still don't feel particularly safe.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 5: Look, it's been a really really bad week, Joff. It's
Speaker 5: given I so appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 4: I know that it's a very emotional time down there
Speaker 4: at Bondi for everybody right now. As I said, those
Speaker 4: floral tributes are getting bigger. Thank you so much for
Speaker 4: joining me on the show.
Speaker 5: Appreciate it. Thanks to that for joining me.
Speaker 4: Now is the Nationals leader David Little proud, David, thank
Speaker 4: you for joining me. As I mentioned earlier, the Prime
Speaker 4: Minister announced a gun buyback scheme today in the wake
Speaker 4: of BONDI.
Speaker 5: Is that the answer? Do you support it?
Speaker 3: Well, it's not the answer. This is a desperate diversion.
Speaker 16: I mean he's announced a buyback when no state has
Speaker 16: actually announced any changes to.
Speaker 3: Any gun laws whatsoever.
Speaker 16: In fact, the New South Wales Premier hasn't even provided
Speaker 16: any legislation to the opposition in New South Wales and
Speaker 16: in Queensland.
Speaker 3: The Premier here is in na hurry.
Speaker 16: In fact, he's saying that the sensible reform is the
Speaker 16: gun Register, not about any changes to licenses.
Speaker 3: Licenses aren't the problem.
Speaker 16: It's the Islamic extremists in this country that have been
Speaker 16: allowed to permeate and allowed to set up in Australia
Speaker 16: and that have been able to flourish for the last
Speaker 16: two and a half years. When the warning signs were
Speaker 16: there and they started on the steps Sydney Opera House
Speaker 16: and they just escalated, and you know, to hear Joel fitzgiven,
Speaker 16: I mean, that was one of the most weakest responses
Speaker 16: that I've heard. I know Joel, and I know he'd
Speaker 16: want to say they got it wrong, and you know what,
Speaker 16: he would take more courage and it would give more
Speaker 16: respect to the Prime Minister today if he just said sorry,
Speaker 16: they got it wrong. They let themselves, they let the
Speaker 16: ideology get in the road of tackling what has become
Speaker 16: a shift in our society that needs to be shifted back.
Speaker 16: We need to look ourselves in the eye and say
Speaker 16: our society has denigrated to a point that we need
Speaker 16: serious leadership. And there is anger and there is frustration,
Speaker 16: not just in Bondi but in Western Queenslan. I have
Speaker 16: never seen the fear in the people that I represents
Speaker 16: eyes apart from the nine to eleven events, than what
Speaker 16: I saw on Monday morning. And they feel helpless because
Speaker 16: they feel leaderless. And what they want is able to
Speaker 16: look to somebody and say we want to do something.
Speaker 16: We want to poor our hearts out to these people,
Speaker 16: the Jewish community and the people in Bondai, but there's
Speaker 16: no one to help us. We should be in Canberra now,
Speaker 16: all of us. We should be in Canberra now passing
Speaker 16: legislation and saying to the Australian people we will bring
Speaker 16: them together.
Speaker 3: We've looked ourselves in the.
Speaker 16: Eye, and the Prime Minister should say sorry that he
Speaker 16: got it wrong, and we should get on with the
Speaker 16: job of saying to the Australian people, we will bring
Speaker 16: you together because we will keep you safe and we
Speaker 16: will cut we will cut this cancer out of our
Speaker 16: society that has been allowed to fester because of what
Speaker 16: has been imported into this country and what is allowed
Speaker 16: to be spewed out of preachers from the paupits across
Speaker 16: Sydney and Melbourne unabated, and there's the warning signs were
Speaker 16: there and I don't know how this Prime Minister cannot
Speaker 16: stand up and say sorry and for the Labor Party,
Speaker 16: please just bring us together for God's sakes.
Speaker 4: I Graham and the Prime Minister today was asked about
Speaker 4: radical Islam and he diverts to perversion of Islam and
Speaker 4: to guns, to blaming, you know, the far right, even.
Speaker 5: The sovereign citizens were brought up today.
Speaker 4: What does tackling radical Islam look like in your view?
Speaker 16: Well, there's two parts of this, and one comes from
Speaker 16: the report that they're already sitting on and been sitting
Speaker 16: on for six months from Gillian Siegel, their Special Envoy.
Speaker 16: Recommendation nine said that there needs to be the greatest
Speaker 16: scrutiny and screening of people that we bring into this
Speaker 16: country for not only anti Semitism but also for extremist views.
Speaker 3: That could have been done already, but.
Speaker 16: We should also from those warning signs that we saw
Speaker 16: on the steps of the Sydney Opera House, we need
Speaker 16: to say to those people that want to use forums
Speaker 16: across our country to try and promote hate and promote violence,
Speaker 16: that there is a consequence in society.
Speaker 3: You need a deterrent in consequence.
Speaker 16: And even Anthony Alberinezi and Burke said that these preachers
Speaker 16: have just gone underneath the law. They've always worked just
Speaker 16: around it. Will you change the law when you see
Speaker 16: that things are changing on the streets of your cities
Speaker 16: and you lower the bar. And if they have dual citizenship,
Speaker 16: you send them to the country that they've got the
Speaker 16: other citizenship with or if they don't have, you get
Speaker 16: them out of here as quick as you can. And
Speaker 16: those that are Australian citizens need to be isolated from
Speaker 16: society so they can't permeate that hate. They need to
Speaker 16: be isolated away so that there's a consequence and a
Speaker 16: terran It's not rocket science. And when the warning signs
Speaker 16: were there for over two years.
Speaker 3: This is why people are angry.
Speaker 16: They're frustrated and they want to pour out love and hope,
Speaker 16: but they've got no one to look up to because
Speaker 16: this Prime Minister has done three fifths of bugger or.
Speaker 5: Look, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: And the warnings have also been coming from Israel pretty
Speaker 4: strongly overnight the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Nenya, who spoke
Speaker 4: exclusively with my colleague Sharry Marks, and here was his warning,
Speaker 4: have a listen.
Speaker 2: There was a bottle region in the world before, between
Speaker 2: the forces of modernity and moderation and the forces who
Speaker 2: wanted to take us back to the early Middle Ages.
Speaker 2: That's what these people are about. Now.
Speaker 3: They het Israel.
Speaker 2: Let me tell their head Jews, let me tell you
Speaker 2: they also hate Australia. They burn our flag, but they'll
Speaker 2: burn your flag and they'll burn you. So understand that
Speaker 2: they're against our common civilization.
Speaker 5: Strong words there. What do you make of his intervention.
Speaker 3: Well, he's spot on.
Speaker 16: And if you look at some of the people that
Speaker 16: marching across the bridges of Sydney and Melbourne and Brisbane,
Speaker 16: who have alternate lifestyles to many of those that they're
Speaker 16: walking for, I suspect that what they.
Speaker 3: Don't realize is that if their way.
Speaker 16: Of life takes over here, then their way of life
Speaker 16: is going to be seriously impinged.
Speaker 2: This is.
Speaker 16: I don't know what could have been a bigger wake
Speaker 16: up call when a synagogue was Firebond that this was
Speaker 16: a threat and that we were under attack in this country,
Speaker 16: but to culminate in Australians being slaughtered, Jewish Australia being targeted,
Speaker 16: that that is just the biggest signal anyone can say
Speaker 16: that we are in a war against those that would do.
Speaker 3: Harm to our way of life.
Speaker 16: And if we are not vigilant, if we are not vigilant,
Speaker 16: not only will we not be safe, but we will
Speaker 16: be handing over society to the.
Speaker 3: Next generation that has diminished.
Speaker 16: And we've been fortunate and we are the current custodians
Speaker 16: of a society that was functional, but over the last
Speaker 16: two and a half years it's become dysfunctional. And it's
Speaker 16: our responsibility and as legislators, I mean, given the privileged
Speaker 16: position to go to Parliament and preserve that and that's
Speaker 16: where I should be now, and that's where Anthony Albanezi
Speaker 16: should be now, changing the way of this country so
Speaker 16: that we're handing over a society that isn't dysfunctional and
Speaker 16: we're facing up to the real threats that our country
Speaker 16: is facing. That's leadership and that's what's missing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, otherwise it's all talk, no action, and that's what
Speaker 4: we've seen for more than two years now, and that's
Speaker 4: the problem, David little Proud, appreciate you joining me. Thank
Speaker 4: you so much for your time. Well, the fifth eighth
Speaker 4: victim of the bond Eyed tragedy has been identified as
Speaker 4: Tanya Tretyak, who died whilst saving a child. All the
Speaker 4: victims have now been named following the terror attack on Sunday.
Speaker 4: Joining me now is Rabbi Daniel Rabin from the core
Speaker 4: Field Shawl. Rabbi, thank you so much. Look, I mean,
Speaker 4: it's been such an awful, awful week for your community.
Speaker 4: All of the victims have been named now five days on.
Speaker 4: How is the community doing and what do you need
Speaker 4: to hear right now?
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you Denny Katz. It has been a very
Speaker 8: very challenging week obviously. As a community rabbi, I speak
Speaker 8: to many of my congregants, whether from this congregation or
Speaker 8: the general Jewish community, and it's the same sentiment, you know,
Speaker 8: It's like, you know, although we may not necessarily be related,
Speaker 8: we are one big family, and so it's one big
Speaker 8: family morning the loss and of course coming to terms
Speaker 8: of what happened. I remember just where I was at
Speaker 8: that moment. I was at a big kind of a
Speaker 8: function here in Melbourne, and as I was leaving, you know,
Speaker 8: the security personnel came to me and said, Rabbi, there's
Speaker 8: just been a shooting in Bondi and I had in
Speaker 8: process what they're in.
Speaker 10: There was a Tonica function and some people have been killed.
Speaker 8: And then obviously shortly after as we saw the gunment,
Speaker 8: the terrorists on that bridge and an image which I
Speaker 8: think none of us will ever forget. I was in
Speaker 8: Bondai actually yesterday and at the vigil at the site,
Speaker 8: many of many people coming over to me, and Jewish
Speaker 8: community members of Bondai, and they, even if they weren't
Speaker 8: there at the time, their sense of safety, their sense
Speaker 8: of who they are has been really really challenged, and
Speaker 8: it's going to take time for them to sort of
Speaker 8: come back to, you know, feeling comfortable in their own
Speaker 8: in their own community.
Speaker 4: It's just awful and it's unfathomable. And of course we've
Speaker 4: seen the funerals this week every day this week as well.
Speaker 4: I want to ask you about this. Anti Zionist Jews
Speaker 4: and Palestinian protesters are playing to stand together in Melbourne tomorrow,
Speaker 4: they say, to quote mourn the victims of the massacre
Speaker 4: and at the same time reject the slur that the
Speaker 4: Palestine Solidarity movement bears responsibility for the attack. What's your
Speaker 4: response to this occurring not even a week after?
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I saw that the other day. It really
Speaker 10: upset me.
Speaker 8: From the very basic humanity of you know, families are
Speaker 8: still morning. You know, in Judaism we have what we
Speaker 8: called the Shiva time, which is the first seven days
Speaker 8: which are the most severe part of the morning process.
Speaker 10: And you know, the bodies, if you like, we're still warm.
Speaker 8: And hear these people trying to excuse themselves, trying to
Speaker 8: hijack that cause and to sort of just ignore the
Speaker 8: pain and the suffering, to not even take a moment
Speaker 8: of self reflection of saying, let's just pause and think,
Speaker 8: maybe our actions have cause have contributed to this. Maybe
Speaker 8: us coming and continuing every week to shout out and
Speaker 8: saying zionis the terrorists and zionus the pigs.
Speaker 10: Maybe people are connecting that to the Jewish community. But
Speaker 10: instead they doubled down, so they're not even cancer. Apparently
Speaker 10: they were canceling it, but now they're not canceling it.
Speaker 8: Now they're going on Monday, I believe, And now it's
Speaker 8: all about, you know, focusing on this anti Zionist, that
Speaker 8: we are not responsible and we have nothing to do
Speaker 8: with the Jewish community, and you know, hating Zionism has
Speaker 8: nothing to.
Speaker 10: Do with hating Jewish people.
Speaker 8: And I don't know how you can be so naive
Speaker 8: or cruel perhaps to do this, as I said during
Speaker 8: the same week that these families are still mourning, and
Speaker 8: to say that we're doing it to mourn the victims
Speaker 8: of the Bondei massacre. I can assure you now the
Speaker 8: families that I know from the Bondei massacre would be
Speaker 8: insulted and would say these people have no shame to
Speaker 8: do this in the week that they're grieving.
Speaker 4: It's just it's unfathomable, you know. I mean, after everything
Speaker 4: that's happened to do to put a display on like
Speaker 4: this tomorrow, it's really appalling. Rabbi Daniel Rabin, as I said,
Speaker 4: condolence as to the community. It's been a really, really
Speaker 4: tough week and just a terrible way as well to
Speaker 4: end this year. I really appreciate you joining me. Thank
Speaker 4: you so much for your time. Well still to come.
Speaker 4: Seven men arrested during a police operation in Sydney on
Speaker 4: suspicion of planning a violent attack and motivated by extremist
Speaker 4: Islamic ideology, have been least from custody.
Speaker 5: That are more with my panel.
Speaker 4: Next joining me now is forming New South Wales Police
Speaker 4: and counter Terrorism Minister David Elliott and New South Wales
Speaker 4: Independent MP Tanya Mahalek. Thanks to both of you for
Speaker 4: joining me. It's been a massive week here in Sydney.
Speaker 4: I want to start with this police operation. Seven men
Speaker 4: were arrested yesterday in Liverpool, but they've just been released
Speaker 4: from custody pending further investigations.
Speaker 5: Police intercepted the.
Speaker 4: Men, aged between nineteen and twenty four after receiving information
Speaker 4: that a violent act was possibly being planned. David, in
Speaker 4: the scenes we saw yesterday, these men had their hands
Speaker 4: zip tied behind their backs. He had the tactical unit
Speaker 4: out in their camouflage gear. A massive intercept that had
Speaker 4: their guns there. But now they've been released, even though
Speaker 4: police did acknowledge earlier that they were driven by extremist ideology.
Speaker 4: You have some further detail on why they have been released.
Speaker 5: What can you tell us?
Speaker 17: Yeah, well, first of all, you got to realize the
Speaker 17: police at the moment, I am not going to let anything
Speaker 17: slip through the fingers. So they are going to be
Speaker 17: If somebody walks across the road out in front of
Speaker 17: a singing agog against the lights, they'll probably get picked
Speaker 17: up at the moment. So that's reassuring. That's reassuring. So
Speaker 17: the advice I've got was that the high level of
Speaker 17: intelligence just was not met when they when it came
Speaker 17: to them apprehending the suspects, the information that they had
Speaker 17: was not in reality in the vehicles, and that included
Speaker 17: the belief that there could be weapons there. And so
Speaker 17: therefore twenty four hours later, they've got no reason to
Speaker 17: withhold them. There weren't any weapons, There wasn't any you know,
Speaker 17: there wasn't any material. It suggests that they were they
Speaker 17: were going to commit an offense. But I can tell
Speaker 17: you that the police are very confident that they are
Speaker 17: monitoring the people that they should be monitoring.
Speaker 4: Okay, So I mean, after all that, then so should
Speaker 4: the part. What would be the message then to the
Speaker 4: public at about these seven Well, the.
Speaker 17: Message of public is if you see somebody that is suspicious,
Speaker 17: you've got to ring the hotline or the police. But
Speaker 17: the message the public is also is we still have
Speaker 17: rule of law here. So if intelligence that is gathered
Speaker 17: leads to police operations that aren't fulfilled. That's because we
Speaker 17: have rule of law, and if you are illegally detained
Speaker 17: by the police one day, you should be grateful that
Speaker 17: that occurs. But that doesn't mean that intelligence agencies and
Speaker 17: the police are not continuing there their watch. I'd be
Speaker 17: pretty sure that these people are going to continue to
Speaker 17: be under watch by one agency or another or all
Speaker 17: of them.
Speaker 4: Okay, well, I'm sure that gives the public a little
Speaker 4: bit of reassurance given what we saw.
Speaker 5: It was almost like the scenes out of Gaza. You
Speaker 5: don't expect to see.
Speaker 4: Town in the middle of Sydney, So that gives some
Speaker 4: reassurance then to the public. But Tanya, is this not
Speaker 4: another reminder of the threat that Islamic extremism opposes in.
Speaker 5: This country right now?
Speaker 18: Absolutely, and I think it's also a reminder what we
Speaker 18: have to worry about is actually copycat behavior. That's what
Speaker 18: I'm worried about, because every time you have a major attack,
Speaker 18: almost invitibly, you will have in visuals will be inspired
Speaker 18: by the same ideology to then committed a copycat attack
Speaker 18: or event. So credit to the police for being vigilant.
Speaker 18: It might for some people be a bit much to
Speaker 18: watch the police bring these guys down, But the reality
Speaker 18: is the police need to be vigilant and we should
Speaker 18: be very grateful that the counterterror experts and police are
Speaker 18: doing everything they can to keep Australian safe. I do
Speaker 18: have to say we all have to be on our
Speaker 18: as alert as possible when it comes to radical Islam.
Speaker 18: It is a major issue for Australians right now. I
Speaker 18: think it is the one issue that we need our
Speaker 18: leaders to really address.
Speaker 5: I know there's a.
Speaker 18: Lot of laws that are going to be passed potentially
Speaker 18: next week, and we've had a bit of discussion about that.
Speaker 18: We'll discuss it further.
Speaker 5: But the real.
Speaker 18: Issue, the real issue where we have dropped the ball
Speaker 18: in Australia is about how we eradicate radical Islam. We
Speaker 18: actually have to focus our attention and our laws to
Speaker 18: be able to support police. And David mentions they're working
Speaker 18: with the rule of the law. They can only do
Speaker 18: what they can with the law that's before them, but
Speaker 18: we actually need to find laws that assist us in
Speaker 18: eradicating radical Islam from Australia.
Speaker 4: I was prefaced by saying, you know, we're not accusing
Speaker 4: these seven men of any terrorism at all, and police
Speaker 4: made it clear that they are at the moment no
Speaker 4: links to what happened in Bondai. But let's talk about
Speaker 4: radical Islam and the threat that it poses on what
Speaker 4: needs to happen. Because the Prime Minister was out there
Speaker 4: today talking about guns. That's the big gun gun buyback scheme.
Speaker 5: Why are we.
Speaker 4: Dancing around radical Islam and what do we need to do?
Speaker 4: You were the state's first counter terrorism minister, so you
Speaker 4: know a lot about what goes on.
Speaker 5: What do we need to do?
Speaker 17: You know, for the years that I was the counter
Speaker 17: terrorism minister and nobody really raised guns with me. It
Speaker 17: was all about radical Islam. It was all about making
Speaker 17: sure that the moderates in the Islamic community worked with us,
Speaker 17: They trusted us, they had dialogue with the other faiths
Speaker 17: so that they could have made sure that the interpretation
Speaker 17: of Islam was never skewiffed. And that's what's happened.
Speaker 3: It's been whift.
Speaker 17: It has been taken out of context and people have
Speaker 17: used that to justify ungodly and unspeakable actions. So it's
Speaker 17: it's actually not I mean, we four million guns in
Speaker 17: this country is ridiculous. The fact that we've got people
Speaker 17: with so many guns in their own homes is stupid.
Speaker 17: I was I certainly was always cheering on the gun
Speaker 17: law reforms of John Howard and subsequent gun law reforms.
Speaker 17: But this person was not motivated by his ability to
Speaker 17: get a gun. He didn't just go and get a
Speaker 17: gun these offenders and say right, we're going to brust
Speaker 17: to join up. These were people that wanted to selectively
Speaker 17: target a racial minority and do as much damage and
Speaker 17: courts as much fear as possible.
Speaker 5: Allegedly, we have to say allegedly, of.
Speaker 17: Course, allegedly, But I'm pretty confident facing a court and
Speaker 17: say that these guys are bad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, look, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: And we saw today the new South Wales Premier, Tanya.
Speaker 5: He came out and unveiled new police powers to block
Speaker 5: public assemblies.
Speaker 4: Like protests during high risk times.
Speaker 5: Again, is that the answer? Is that what we need? Yeah?
Speaker 18: Look, I think I'm into minds about this and I'll
Speaker 18: wait to see the legislation when it's presented next week.
Speaker 18: I don't want to see a situation where we stop
Speaker 18: people from being able to protest about the Voice for example,
Speaker 18: referendum where we don't want to stop people from campaigning
Speaker 18: or protesting against offshore or wind farms for example. We
Speaker 18: have all sorts of protests in Australia. What we need
Speaker 18: to be focused on is the ones that are about
Speaker 18: the focus on inciting hatred. It's how do we protect
Speaker 18: people from those type of protests. And also what I
Speaker 18: would like the Premier and indeed the Prime Minister to
Speaker 18: focus on is their own colleagues who actually tune up
Speaker 18: to some of these protests. That's the relationship is they
Speaker 18: stand side by side with preachers of hate they stand,
Speaker 18: they're normalizing radical Islam. They're standing with people that they
Speaker 18: have no idea what their real ideology is or what
Speaker 18: they actually stand for, and they're being photographed with these people.
Speaker 18: That's what the problem we have in Australia. It's not
Speaker 18: the protest itself, it's the fact that members of the
Speaker 18: government have normalized this and support people within these protests
Speaker 18: that have very extreme and radical.
Speaker 4: Views exactly and this and you know what, the Prime
Speaker 4: ministere needs to come out and say it out loud
Speaker 4: and stop dancing around the topic.
Speaker 5: And the AFP Commissioner as well.
Speaker 17: That's very disappointing from the AFP commissioner. I think that
Speaker 17: she had a responsibility and she's talking about that. I'm
Speaker 17: not going to mince my words while she she has
Speaker 17: minced her words, and she's made the suggestion that it
Speaker 17: is any is. I mean the eye in isis means
Speaker 17: Islamic exactly. I don't know how anybody can suggest that
Speaker 17: this is not faith based. But the concern about protests
Speaker 17: for me is that it's okay to I don't care
Speaker 17: you protest now might get my way when I'm doing
Speaker 17: an afternoon shopping, I don't care. But if you incite violence,
Speaker 17: and it's we've got to a situation where if I
Speaker 17: went outside and yelled out that we should be shooting Esquimos,
Speaker 17: I'd get arrested.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 17: But if I'm an Islamic cleric and I call for
Speaker 17: the death of Jews at a rally, well, then apparently
Speaker 17: that's just part of the religious practice. And we had
Speaker 17: and when the courts interpret this sort of law, so
Speaker 17: inconsequent quench about it and inconsistently.
Speaker 4: Well, the court of Law did make it a judgment
Speaker 4: on this and with Haddad a couple of months ago,
Speaker 4: and they said that his preaching was indeed, so there
Speaker 4: was a case that once once we've had a court
Speaker 4: of law say that, look we've got to go. It's
Speaker 4: been a massive week. I so appreciate you both joining
Speaker 4: me and thank you for you also coming on.
Speaker 5: The show this year.
Speaker 4: Tanya and David, thank you very much and I hope
Speaker 4: you both have a nice Christmas as well. Still to come,
Speaker 4: Jim Chalmers spendeth on hits the budget bottom line. I'll
Speaker 4: catch up with Dimitri Burstein and Life to London for
Speaker 4: the UK's reaction to.
Speaker 5: The Bondo massacre.
Speaker 4: Or The Treasurer delivered the first update to the nation's
Speaker 4: finances since the election this week, claiming twenty billion dollars
Speaker 4: in savings, but his own spending policy decisions hit the
Speaker 4: budget by at least one point seven billion this financial year.
Speaker 4: Joining me now is Dimitri Birchstein from Eminence Advisory. Dmitri,
Speaker 4: how can Jim spin his way out of his own
Speaker 4: spending mess?
Speaker 19: Hi, Denika, thanks for having me on your show. Well,
Speaker 19: the Treasure's budget update is probably better call the standz
Speaker 19: of MAIFO. The claim that the budget and the economy
Speaker 19: improving isn't technically a lie it's simply something the Treasurer
Speaker 19: seems to believe. MAIFO shows continued expected revenue growth to
Speaker 19: be met by equal and offsetting spending growth one hundred
Speaker 19: million dollars of close to one hundred million dollars in
Speaker 19: off budget spending. Over the forward estimates, debt will continue
Speaker 19: to increase. Expect it to hit one point two trillion
Speaker 19: dollars within three years, and I will remind you and
Speaker 19: your viewers that it was essentially zero eighteen years ago.
Speaker 19: Interest payments on that debt are the fastest growing item
Speaker 19: in the budget and will grow at around eleven percent perannum.
Speaker 19: The NDIS is going to keep growing at eight percent
Speaker 19: per annum, childcare payments six percent, all the while the
Speaker 19: economy is growing in anemic to expected to grow it
Speaker 19: in an emic two and a half percent, and that's
Speaker 19: probably on the high side. All this means that is
Speaker 19: that government is a proportion of the economy will continue
Speaker 19: to grow and grow towards European levels.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that NDIS is an absolute behemoth. And
Speaker 4: I know as well, Dimitri. There's been a five billion
Speaker 4: dollar blowout to the government scheme to subsidize home batteries
Speaker 4: five billion dollars, so just the justification just is extraordinary.
Speaker 19: Well, it's actually more than five billion, it's about eleven billion.
Speaker 19: The original budget was meant to be two point three billion,
Speaker 19: and it's now projected to be closed to fourteen. You'd
Speaker 19: think it was the budget and the planning was put
Speaker 19: together by the NBNCo or Snowy Hydro given the blowout.
Speaker 19: But what they're trying to do is to cap the
Speaker 19: scheme at seven point two billion, which is where five
Speaker 19: billion blowout comes in. But I suspect by the time
Speaker 19: the budget gets updated again come May next year, it'll
Speaker 19: be higher yet again.
Speaker 4: Well, and it's generations to come. We're going to be
Speaker 4: paying for it. Dmitri burs Stein, thanks so much for
Speaker 4: the update on that.
Speaker 5: Really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Well, let's go back to Bondai now for more international reaction,
Speaker 4: we'll go to the UK. Joining me is Spiked chief
Speaker 4: political writer Brendan O'Neill. Brendan, thanks for your time. You've
Speaker 4: written this week about the Bondai massacre, saying the hatred
Speaker 4: for the Jewish state is endangering the Jewish people. As
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five comes to a close, one question matters
Speaker 4: above all others. Are you on the side of the
Speaker 4: Jews or are you not? Their safety and our civilization
Speaker 4: depend on how we answer. I think that's a really
Speaker 4: interesting question to pose, because the reality is where to now?
Speaker 20: That's the question, what do we do next?
Speaker 7: And you know, twenty twenty five has been a terrible
Speaker 7: year for Jewish people in the West. Let's be honest
Speaker 7: about it. You know, an elderly Jewish lady was burnt
Speaker 7: to death in Colorado.
Speaker 20: Back in June.
Speaker 7: We saw the shoot outside the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington,
Speaker 7: d C. Where a young couple were killed. There was
Speaker 7: the Young Kippor massacre in Manchester which killed two Jews
Speaker 7: here in England. And of course now we've got Bondai.
Speaker 7: I mean, this is awful, This is unspeakably bad. And
Speaker 7: I think once again, as throughout history, Jews are bearing
Speaker 7: the brunt of all the mistakes that our societies are making,
Speaker 7: the turn against Israel, our rejection of civilizational values, our
Speaker 7: poorest borders.
Speaker 20: We're letting in the wrong people.
Speaker 7: We have an Islamist problem which we're unwilling to talk about,
Speaker 7: unwilling to confront.
Speaker 20: Because of all these mistakes we're making. The Jewish community
Speaker 20: are having a really hard time, so I think we've
Speaker 20: got to stand with them, and more important that we've
Speaker 20: got to stand with the values of civilization that the
Speaker 20: Islamist people really really hate.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: In the end, radical Islam is incompatible with Western democracies,
Speaker 4: Yet our Western democratic leaders dance around the topic that
Speaker 4: I want to address it.
Speaker 5: Brendan, UK police are.
Speaker 4: Targeting those who chant globalize the interfarty in the world
Speaker 4: of Bondai.
Speaker 5: It's taken the murder.
Speaker 4: Of fifteen innocent people, fifteen minutes a people for the
Speaker 4: world to actually start acting on this.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, it's shocking that it took this long. Jewish people
Speaker 7: and Jewish community groups in Britain have been begging protesters
Speaker 7: for more than two years not to use that chant
Speaker 7: because they say it's an incitement to anti Jewish violence,
Speaker 7: and that's exactly what it is.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 7: People say, well, Intofada just means uprising, or it just
Speaker 7: refers to kids throwing stones at the IDF in the
Speaker 7: nineteen eighties during the first into Fada. That's not true.
Speaker 7: We all know what Intofada means. The second into Fada,
Speaker 7: which lasted up to two thousand and five, was hamass
Speaker 7: style violence against hundreds and hundreds of Jews in Israel.
Speaker 7: It was a racist orgy of violence against the Jewish
Speaker 7: people of the Jewish state. When you say globalize the Intofada,
Speaker 7: that is what you are calling for. And when you
Speaker 7: said in the wake of seventh of October, that's exactly
Speaker 7: what you're calling for.
Speaker 20: You're calling for more.
Speaker 7: Violence against Jews and Jewish community groups say please stop
Speaker 7: using this chant and they were completely ignored, they were
Speaker 7: completely written off, and now we've had to have the
Speaker 7: police intervene. So protesters have been saying that most awful things,
Speaker 7: and I think that it took Bondai to really have
Speaker 7: a reckoning with that is quite shocking.
Speaker 5: It is it's a blight on our leaders.
Speaker 4: It's just it's been I can't believe it's taken this
Speaker 4: for them to act. Brendan a group of protesters from
Speaker 4: prescribed terror group Palestine Action. They're on a hunger strike
Speaker 4: in the UK, but this week radical leftists held a
Speaker 4: vigil for them. So not for the victims of Bondai,
Speaker 4: but for this prescribed terror group who've chosen themselves to
Speaker 4: go on a hunger strike.
Speaker 5: What does it tell you?
Speaker 20: It tells you a lot. I think history will remember this.
Speaker 7: History will remember that three or four days after the
Speaker 7: worst attack on Jews in Australia's history, people radical leftists
Speaker 7: in London and in Dublin gathered to pay tribute not
Speaker 7: to those Jewish people, but to this group called Palestine Action,
Speaker 7: which has contributed to the whole climate of Israelophobia, which
Speaker 7: is now a prescribed group. It's prescribed as a terror organization.
Speaker 7: It has done some awful things, including allegedly smashing up
Speaker 7: Jewish owned businesses in parts of London. The fact that
Speaker 7: they had a vigil for them, those hunger strikers, rather
Speaker 7: than for the Jews who were killed by suspected Islamo
Speaker 7: fascists at Bondi. That tells you everything you need to
Speaker 7: know about the left. They claim to be anti racist,
Speaker 7: they claim to be anti fascist, and yet they have
Speaker 7: nothing to say about this fascistic assault on the Jews
Speaker 7: of Australia. They couldn't get care less about Jews. And
Speaker 7: that's another reason why as we're going into twenty twenty six,
Speaker 7: it's incumbent on more of us.
Speaker 20: To stand with the Jewish community against this threat.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, as you know, the world should have from day one,
Speaker 4: Brendan O'Neill. Always appreciate your insights. Thank you so much
Speaker 4: for joining me on the show. Well still to come
Speaker 4: the heroes of BONDI always Roberts would join me to
Speaker 4: pay tribute. Next welcome back joining me now is Sky
Speaker 4: News contributor Louise Roberts.
Speaker 5: Louise, thank you so much for joining me.
Speaker 4: I thought we'd end the show today by talking about
Speaker 4: the heroes of Bondie, and gosh, there's so many. Every day,
Speaker 4: more and more tales of such incredible bravery. Let's start
Speaker 4: with Chaya Didon, the fourteen year old who left her
Speaker 4: safe spot to shield two kids.
Speaker 5: Have a look at this.
Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm doing it.
Speaker 21: Whatever happens is for the good, and if I die
Speaker 21: saving kids' lives, then that best way I would want
Speaker 21: to die, because that's what God wanted from you.
Speaker 4: That was her speaking with Sharry Marst. I mean, she's
Speaker 4: fourteen years old.
Speaker 5: Extraordinary credible, isn't it.
Speaker 22: Extraordinary maturity and just her love for her fellow him
Speaker 22: being outstanding. I mean, she was in a safe spot
Speaker 22: when the guns started firing at the group of people.
Speaker 22: She had managed to get under a bench to safety
Speaker 22: and didn't have to come out, and no one would
Speaker 22: blame it if she didn't come out, to be honest,
Speaker 22: But she looked out in the area where she was
Speaker 22: when there'd been a pause in the firing, and noticed
Speaker 22: an elderly lady and another woman saying, please save my children.
Speaker 22: So within a split second, no hesitation, ran out, got
Speaker 22: the kids, shielded them and brought them to safety, and
Speaker 22: in the process of doing that, of course, got shot
Speaker 22: herself in her thigh.
Speaker 5: I mean, she's.
Speaker 22: Recovered, she's obviously been in hospital talking to Shari there,
Speaker 22: which is a beautiful interview.
Speaker 5: But that was a beautiful interview.
Speaker 22: I just think, you know, what an outstanding role model,
Speaker 22: what leadership qualities this young woman has that we've seen
Speaker 22: lacking in so many other areas this week, haven't we.
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely just selfless, just incredibly.
Speaker 4: And then of course there's police officers as Jacki Gibbett,
Speaker 4: he was the probationary officer who has now sadly lost
Speaker 4: sight in one of his eyes. And Ces Baratza, the
Speaker 4: cop who fired that lethal shot and I was reading
Speaker 4: earlier in the week in the Daily Telegraph he actually
Speaker 4: fired it from forty meters away. Yes, and some of
Speaker 4: the most seasoned cops says it would have been extremely
Speaker 4: difficult that shot because not only was he shooting at
Speaker 4: a target, but also being fired upon himself. And you know,
Speaker 4: again it's the first responders, it's the police, it's the
Speaker 4: life savers. Yet lifeguards just again, incredible bravery.
Speaker 22: Incredible bravery, And doesn't it show our police force that
Speaker 22: do not hesitate when we need them to act on
Speaker 22: our behalf and stop a crime like this, They all
Speaker 22: stepped up. Med Young Jack Hibbert twenty two, as you say,
Speaker 22: knew in the face four months, has now lost sight
Speaker 22: in one eye. But again he ran towards the alleged government.
Speaker 22: He didn't run away. He was shot from the front,
Speaker 22: shot in the head and shot in the shoulder and
Speaker 22: is fortunately recovering. But that's a life changing injury. For
Speaker 22: him to lose the side in his eye at twenty two,
Speaker 22: absolutely devastating him. And he's only a year older than
Speaker 22: my son. So this one particularly cuts deep for me
Speaker 22: because I think his poor parents knowing he joined the
Speaker 22: force to do such good and he's been injured only
Speaker 22: four months in But I believe Lannin's talking about a
Speaker 22: role for him that he can stay within the police,
Speaker 22: which is terrific as well, which.
Speaker 5: Is really great.
Speaker 4: Well, look, I remember I can't thank our the heroes
Speaker 4: of Bondi enough. I mean, there's just there's so many
Speaker 4: to name, and very speaking about it all week and
Speaker 4: we just thank you so much for your bravery.
Speaker 5: It'bsolutely incredible.
Speaker 4: I will also show some vision today of thousands of
Speaker 4: city siders who pack North Bondai beachfront for this moving
Speaker 4: paddle out in honor of the victims of the massacre
Speaker 4: that claimed fifteen innocent lives.
Speaker 5: Have listened to one of them speaking afterwards, it's.
Speaker 8: Pretty obvious it wasn't just a tack on the Jews.
Speaker 10: Look around, it's a tack on all of us.
Speaker 5: Well he's not wrong, No, he's not wrong.
Speaker 4: But the scenes that we saw there this morning, it's
Speaker 4: quite emotional when you see.
Speaker 5: It's very paddle out, it's very evocative.
Speaker 22: And it's such an Australian thing to do. It's such
Speaker 22: a way to commemorate loss in this way that people
Speaker 22: go out on their boards and their kayaks and canoes
Speaker 22: and people swimming as well from the shore, which is
Speaker 22: not an easy task through the waves there and you
Speaker 22: can see from that footage that they managed to form
Speaker 22: a heart shape as well and got solidarity amongst each
Speaker 22: other as well out there to say, we've reclaimed the beach.
Speaker 22: The beach is where as Australians we relax and enjoy ourselves.
Speaker 5: At a spiritual place.
Speaker 22: It's our spiritual place. You're with friends, but you also
Speaker 22: welcome strangers too.
Speaker 5: So absolutely well.
Speaker 4: Look, we haven't prayed for a better year yes year,
Speaker 4: but a big week. Louise Roberts, thank you so much
Speaker 4: for joining me, really really appreciate it. Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for your company this year. Thank you for making
Speaker 4: me part of your home on Friday nights. Merry Christmas
Speaker 4: and Happy New Year. That's it from me. Up next
Speaker 4: is Steve Price.
Speaker 5: Good night,