WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 19 December 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:04.920 Prime Time Opinion on Skying Is Australia starts now. 0:00:06.960 --> 0:00:10.119 Live on Sky News Australia. 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:12.680 This is Denika di Georgio. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.720 Good evening and welcome to the show. Coming up tonight, 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:20.079 the Prime Minister announces a sweeping firearms crackdown in the 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.560 wake of the Bondai massacre as he again dances around 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:25.000 the topic of radical Islam. 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.360 Nationals leader David little Proud will join me. 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:30.960 Seven men arrested during a police operation in Sydney on 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:35.600 suspicion of planning a violent attack and motivated by extremist 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:40.080 Islamic Islamic ideology. They've just been released from custody. I'll 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.280 ask former New South Wales counter terrorism Minister David Elliot 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:47.040 why and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Etna, who tells Anthony 0:00:47.080 --> 0:00:51.360 Albanesi to wake up in an exclusive interview with sky 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:55.959 News first tonight. If we don't talk about the religious 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.920 motivations allegedly behind the Bondai attack, then when will we. 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:05.640 But the Prime Minister's strategy is deny, deny, deny, because 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:08.720 he can't even bring himself to say the words radical Islam, 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:13.959 and so his big solution a gun amnesty. 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:17.960 There are now more than four million firearms in Australia, 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:22.600 more then at the time of the Port Arthur massacre 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.440 nearly thirty years ago. The Government will introduce legislation to 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:30.440 support the funding of this buyback scheme and meet the 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:34.000 costs on a fifty to fifty basis with states and territories. 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:38.520 Look, this is his very own Victorian machete bin moment, 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.520 fake solutions to a serious issue. The Prime Minister even 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.440 went as far as to blame sovereign citizens. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:50.920 There have been, of course, incidents in both Queensland and 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:56.640 Victoria that have seen so called sovereign citizens murder police officers. 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:02.480 We will introduce the National buy Back Scheme to get 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:05.720 guns off our streets and to help to assist to 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:07.360 make all Australians safe. 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:12.280 To get guns off the street, how about getting dangerous 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.640 people off the street. It's everyone else's fault, but the 0:02:15.639 --> 0:02:19.480 fault of radical Islam. Fifteen innocent people were killed by 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:23.680 two alleged jihadi sympathizers who police say were motivated by 0:02:23.760 --> 0:02:26.840 ISIS and the car they drove to Bondi had an 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:28.160 ISIS flag. 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:30.200 Twenty four year old Navin. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:34.440 Akram allegedly had links to Sydney's Almadina Dahwa Center, where 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:38.840 he was allegedly distributing pamphlets for an Islamic street preaching 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.720 group to spread the so called message. 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:45.160 Read the spread the message the follows one and Muhammed 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:46.120 lost miss and Dooa. 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:50.360 O'cock both spread dalar where you can spread the message, 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:52.320 not loads one wherever you can. 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:56.239 Spread the message my pamphlets. 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:01.600 Whether he won eye on and whether meaning healing or 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.639 please guy, I will reward you or whatever action to 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:05.840 do in your cause. 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:08.080 Control of this will see you on the day of judgment. 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.520 He also allegedly had links to hate preacher with some 0:03:11.680 --> 0:03:15.600 Hadad who's been spewing this sort of hate just thirty 0:03:15.639 --> 0:03:18.000 kilometers away from the scene of the massacre. 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:22.400 I can't take away from the fact, first and foremost 0:03:22.480 --> 0:03:26.640 that jihad is definitely part of eld and as Muslims, 0:03:26.680 --> 0:03:32.119 we should never ever shy away from this. And yes 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.720 there may be types of jihad, but of the peak 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:38.000 of this jihad is that which the message of Muhammad 0:03:38.000 --> 0:03:40.040 Soalaladi was still and spoken about. And I'll read the 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:42.680 hat it soon and that is fighting in the path 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.560 of Allas origin a physical fight. 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.760 But no, no, no cover your ears. Nothing at all 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:50.760 to do with religion. 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:51.840 This was all, of. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.920 Course about guns. Gun control will make you safe. Gun 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:57.800 control will stop the hate being fested. 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:58.480 Do I deny? 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:02.800 Deny key reason why ASIO raised the terror threat level 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.360 in August last year to probable because of more Australians 0:04:06.400 --> 0:04:10.440 embracing a range of extremist ideologies and an increased willingness 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:15.560 to use violence to advance their political, ideological or religious objectives. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.280 But not, according to Anthony Aarbanesi. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.080 Radical Islam in your view, the greatest domestic security threat 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:22.839 Australia faces. 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:28.440 Well, the assessments are that that is one of the 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.600 issues that we're dealing with. I want to deal with 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:36.279 all of the threats, whether it be extremist perversions of 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:43.880 Islam leading to support for the ideology promoted by Isis. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:49.479 Whether it be also concerned about the issue of sovereign 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:56.520 citizens killing police in Victoria and Queensland. I'm concerned about 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:57.560 Neo Nazis. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.120 There it goes again, deflecting in to sovereign citizen and 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.680 right wing extremism territory. He was then pushed again by 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:05.919 Sky News on the matter. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:12.080 Okay Sunday's attack and yesterday's police arrests, how many suspected 0:05:12.400 --> 0:05:17.520 Islamic extremists are on asio's watch list and considering these events, 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.760 is radical Islam an enemy from within Australia? Are there 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:26.240 too many people here who don't share Australia's values and culture. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:31.680 Well, when it comes to figures and Asia's work, I 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.599 will leave those comments to the Director General and as 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:40.960 to whether they wish to make those matters public, I 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:47.560 can say this that one proponent of support for isis 0:05:47.960 --> 0:05:54.080 motivated by a perversion of Islam that leads to extremism 0:05:54.240 --> 0:05:55.119 is one too many. 0:05:56.200 --> 0:05:59.320 Well, the question is if it's a so called perversion 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:01.840 of Islam, then what is he going to do about it? 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:05.960 He's introduced gun reform, tighter hate speech laws even though 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.719 existing laws he put in place have not been acted on, 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.520 harsher penalties when it comes to online censorship, but no 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:15.920 plans to deal with the heart of the issue. And 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.560 we can't be surprised because he can't even bring himself 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.360 to utter the words and say it out loud. Is 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.400 a Prime minister going to shut down the mosques and 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.280 centers in doctrinating radical Islam? How will he confront the 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:31.240 doctrines that justify violence, like the Sahibukhari, which says the 0:06:31.279 --> 0:06:33.640 hour will not be established until you fight with the 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:36.160 Jews and the stone behind which a Jew will be 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:38.880 hiding will say, Oh, Muslim, there is a Jew hiding 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:43.120 behind me, so kill him. Will Muslim leaders come to 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.880 the table on this and call it out. If a 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.080 perversion of Islam has led to the deaths of fifteen Australians, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.760 then there's a serious responsibility on the part of the 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:54.640 Prime Minister and Muslim community to address it. 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:55.320 Now. 0:06:55.320 --> 0:06:58.160 Of course, the majority of Muslims live peacefully in Australia 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.400 and equally as horrorfied by what's happened in Bondai, But 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.320 if parts of the community are allegedly carrying out terrorist 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:09.040 acts in the name of Allah, then the conversation starts 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.640 now about religiously motivated attacks, and it starts with our leaders. 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:15.480 After having told. 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.360 Us earlier in the week the Bondai massacre was not 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:21.720 motivated by religion, the AFP commissioner duct and weaved again 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:23.360 today when asked about it. 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.960 There are groups and individuals across Australia who are eroding 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:33.440 the country's social fabric by advocating hatred, fear and humiliation. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.480 And I'm not going to mince my words. Too much 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.200 of this is directed at the Jewish community. 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:42.200 Where is the hate coming from? 0:07:42.240 --> 0:07:47.160 Commissioner, Which group or individual is eroding our social fabric? 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:49.320 Name it, call it out? 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.440 At least the New South Wales Police Commissioner was willing 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.320 to say the quiet part out loud. 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:58.040 It is certainly one of our biggest security threats and 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:02.200 we're certainly looking at radical Islamist extremism as. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:05.320 One of the ideologies. Sorry behind these males. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:08.760 Now, if the discussion about the so called perversion of 0:08:08.840 --> 0:08:11.360 Islam is avoided at all times, then how can we 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.160 possibly work to dismantle it and quit the islamophobia cries? 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:18.280 Every time Islam is brought up. Fifteen people have allegedly 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:21.280 been murdered in cold blood due to radical Islam, just 0:08:21.360 --> 0:08:24.000 like the Link Cafe siege, the murder of Curtis Cheng, 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:27.720 the attack on Bishop Marmari Emmanuel nine to eleven, the 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:30.560 Barley bombings, the Paris attacks, the London bombings. I could 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:33.440 go on and on, but of course nothing at all 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:40.679 to do with religion, though right all to do with guns. Now, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.640 if this is not yet another wake up call for 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.920 the Prime Minister to tackle extremism head on. Nothing will 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:50.040 counter terror police have acted against another possible violent act 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:53.080 from being carried out just days after Bondi, in a 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.280 city already on edge, Police dramatically arrested seven men at 0:08:56.280 --> 0:08:59.840 gunpoint in Liverpool in Sydney Southwest yesterday afternoon. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:01.479 He was a police commissioner. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.200 I can say that the potential of a violent offense 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.200 being committed was such that we were not prepared to 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:13.240 tolerate the risk and interdicted accordingly. The information received was 0:09:13.280 --> 0:09:16.480 that Bondai may have been one of a number of 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.440 locations that the males were intending to attend, but the 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:22.240 reason for attending is unknown. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.520 Men's hands were zip tied behind their backs. As you 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:31.120 can see, tactical officers armed with guns and wearing camouflage 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:34.400 uniforms and helmets surrounded them. It appears also police for 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.400 wheel drives crashed into the front of a Hyundai thirty, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:41.480 halting it in its tracks. Bean Bag rounds were also fired. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:43.520 Now I've got to say this is the sort of 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.800 thing you'd expect to see in Gaza, something not in 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.000 the middle of Sydney. I mean could you ever have 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:52.119 imagined seeing scenes like that play out in our own backyard? 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:55.640 And the Prime Minister said yesterday diversity is our strength. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:56.840 Give me a break. 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.959 This is Anthony Aberneze's diversity at play. Deputy Commissioner Dave 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.120 Hudson said the men are suspected of sharing the same 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:08.839 extremist Islamic ideology as the Bondai attackers. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.120 We don't have definitive links between the individuals who committed 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:18.520 these acrocities on Sunday and these yesterday, apart from potential commonality. 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:19.400 In some thinking, that. 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:25.040 Does sound like these people apprehended had a similar sort 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:29.360 of ideological adherence to Islamic extremisn't as we've heard with 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.840 the gunmt involved in the Bondi in the Bondai shooting. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:34.800 That's a bluef for this star jest. 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:38.720 There's no established connection between the Liverpool arrests and the 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.280 Bondai massacre. The men detained yesterday were known to Victorian 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.680 police and a knife was seized from one. 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:45.439 Of the vehicles. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.840 Sky News has also revealed that two of the men 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:49.800 were under investigation by ASIO. 0:10:51.040 --> 0:10:54.400 It should give the Australian community, particularly Jewish Australians, but 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:58.800 all Australian's confidence and comfort that asio the federal police 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.600 in this case New Southwest on the job, they would 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.960 be up on all of their networks, on all of 0:11:04.000 --> 0:11:08.479 their surveillance activities. Say it's a pretty high threshold. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:09.679 Now. 0:11:09.720 --> 0:11:12.280 In the last few hours, New South Wales Police confirmed 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.880 the seven men aged nineteen to twenty four have been 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:20.160 released from custody without charge, pending further investigations. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:20.960 They say that. 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:24.560 Police intercepted the men after receiving information that a violent 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.160 act was possibly being planned. And my question is why 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.880 go through all this to then release them? And I 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.040 will ask the state's first counter terrorism Minister, David Elliott, 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.720 that exact question shortly. But this is another very real 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:42.400 reminder of the threat of Islamic extremism, the threat it 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.560 poses to ask our values in the Jewish community. We 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:47.760 know the warnings have been there for two years and 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.760 it's culminated in the murders of fifteen people, including a 0:11:51.760 --> 0:11:55.920 ten year old girl. My colleague Sharry Markson spoke exclusively 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:56.960 to Israeli Prime. 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.160 Minister Benjamin Netnyahu about it. 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:06.240 I call now too, for the intensification of security arrangements 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:09.280 around Jewish institutions I'll talk about that a little more. Yep, 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:15.000 going actively against these terrorist cells and these radical Islamic cells, 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:21.480 acting to put them in jail, stop them before they act. Yes, 0:12:21.960 --> 0:12:24.719 I wanted all that to be done. And I say 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:30.240 now to the Australian government, damn it, wake up. You 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.040 don't need any more warnings. You've already received enough. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:41.560 The question is when will Anthony Albanezi listen joining me 0:12:41.600 --> 0:12:44.960 now live from Bondai. Is former Labor MP Joel Fitzgibbon. 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.680 Joel really appreciate you joining us from Bondai. I know 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.560 that you've been down there today paying your own respects, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.640 and we can see that the flowers behind you, they've 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.920 just grown bigger, the memorials bigger and bigger as the 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:59.880 days go on. Look, I have to ask you firstly 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:02.920 about Labour's response to this. There's been a lot of 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:06.400 anger in the Jewish community, particularly when it comes to 0:13:06.400 --> 0:13:10.000 the warnings have been there about anti Semitism. Has Labor 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:17.840 failed in its duty to protect Jewish Australians Tanisa? 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:22.119 There are so many unanswered questions. I mean, if Hummus 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:26.760 hadn't crossed the Israeli border and murdered twelve hundred years. 0:13:27.400 --> 0:13:32.240 Would this terrible event we are dealing with now have 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.440 happened if Israel had not taken such a forceful response. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.120 Would this event have happened if a mass had just 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.000 headed back the hostages and laid down their arms. Would 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:49.280 this terrible event have happened if the thresholds to the 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:53.600 listing of terrorist scripts or for hate speech had been 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:58.600 lowered earlier? Would this terrible event have taken place. We 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:02.080 don't know the answer to any of these questions. But 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.160 if there is one relatively good thing for one of 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:09.640 a better term, to come out out of this horror 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:14.280 and this evil, is that people now understand that this 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:19.640 can happen in Australia. As terrible as it is, it 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:24.080 is a reality check. And I don't think any Australian 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:30.200 government in any jurisdiction in the future, when considering matters 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.760 public policy that goes to the safety of our community, 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.160 will ever will ever I'm not saying they have in 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.680 the past, but will ever defer to anything else than 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:47.000 doing all that they can to make sure everything possible 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.720 is done and in every political calculus, even if it's 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:54.080 there's a risk that's going to offend some other community, 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.520 for example, I think in the future, people in elected 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:01.160 office will be making sure that the take every opportunity 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:02.160 to make us all safe. 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:04.960 But shouldn't they have taken every opportunity from the start? 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:07.960 I mean, can you understand the I guess the feelings 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.320 of the Jewish community right now. They've said that this 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.720 was their worst nightmare. This is what they were worried about, 0:15:12.760 --> 0:15:15.120 from the moment of the steps of the Sydney Opera 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.840 House to the week in, week out, the marches that 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.400 were seeing taking place in cities across the country that 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.840 they were warning they were worried that it would end 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:25.840 up resulting in the deaths, and now the deaths of 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.320 fifteen people. I mean, should Labor have not taken a 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.840 hard line stance from the steps of the Sydney Opera House. 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.320 I certainly understand their anger and their sorrow. I mean, 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:43.680 it's very confronting coming down here, emotionally challenging, and so 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:47.000 you'd expect that from the Jewish community, particularly that here 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.680 in Bondai. But both the Prime Minister and the Premier 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:54.360 of New South Wales have both conceded if you like that, 0:15:56.240 --> 0:16:01.280 with the benefit of hindsight, more would would have been done, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:05.240 and I think the important thing is as we make 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.920 our way through this terrible process, I think the important 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.600 thing is that in the future more will be done, 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:14.760 and I think there'll be many months available to us 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:19.000 when the grief dies down a bit, the anger dies 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.560 down a bit, the sorrow dies down a bit for 0:16:21.680 --> 0:16:24.760 us to have a broader post mortemon about as to 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.320 whether more should have been done over the course of 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.520 the period since October seventh, twenty twenty three. 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:34.040 The Prime Minister did go to the memorial that the 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:36.160 one that you're at right now. He went on Monday morning, 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.240 early morning. Hasn't been back since. Should he be going 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:43.560 back because it seems like he's avoiding it because of 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:45.200 the reception that he might receive. 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:51.360 Well, I don't know. He might come back, but he 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:54.960 has been here and he's been just about everywhere else 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.320 in the five days since this terrible event, visit the 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.840 people in hospital, people in their homes, spending church services 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.160 and other Jewish services, etc. So he's been a National 0:17:08.160 --> 0:17:10.320 security committee, he's been in the cabinet, he's been a 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:11.280 national cabinet. 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:13.840 But should he go back, should he go both back 0:17:13.880 --> 0:17:14.560 to bond. 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:15.560 Die right now? 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.040 Well, that's the matter for him, Denigo. I mean you 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.639 made the point yourself that he might not necessarily be 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.560 welcomed here. I don't know whether that's true or not, 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.360 but you've got to be smart with the allocation of 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.400 your time. I'm sure he's prioritizing the things that can 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.960 make a difference in a positive way for both the 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.879 victims and their families and all those in the Jewish 0:17:39.880 --> 0:17:43.760 community who understandably still don't feel particularly safe. 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:44.960 Now. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.080 Look, it's been a really really bad week, Joff. It's 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:48.800 given I so appreciate you joining me. 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:51.520 I know that it's a very emotional time down there 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.959 at Bondi for everybody right now. As I said, those 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.159 floral tributes are getting bigger. Thank you so much for 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:58.000 joining me on the show. 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.200 Appreciate it. Thanks to that for joining me. 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:06.040 Now is the Nationals leader David Little proud, David, thank 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.440 you for joining me. As I mentioned earlier, the Prime 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:11.760 Minister announced a gun buyback scheme today in the wake 0:18:11.840 --> 0:18:12.480 of BONDI. 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:14.880 Is that the answer? Do you support it? 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.919 Well, it's not the answer. This is a desperate diversion. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.520 I mean he's announced a buyback when no state has 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:25.240 actually announced any changes to. 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:26.360 Any gun laws whatsoever. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.240 In fact, the New South Wales Premier hasn't even provided 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.359 any legislation to the opposition in New South Wales and 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:34.080 in Queensland. 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:35.800 The Premier here is in na hurry. 0:18:35.840 --> 0:18:39.000 In fact, he's saying that the sensible reform is the 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.679 gun Register, not about any changes to licenses. 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:44.280 Licenses aren't the problem. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.760 It's the Islamic extremists in this country that have been 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:52.000 allowed to permeate and allowed to set up in Australia 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.000 and that have been able to flourish for the last 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:58.360 two and a half years. When the warning signs were 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.960 there and they started on the steps Sydney Opera House 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.760 and they just escalated, and you know, to hear Joel fitzgiven, 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:08.639 I mean, that was one of the most weakest responses 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.360 that I've heard. I know Joel, and I know he'd 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:13.760 want to say they got it wrong, and you know what, 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.480 he would take more courage and it would give more 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:19.760 respect to the Prime Minister today if he just said sorry, 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.480 they got it wrong. They let themselves, they let the 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:27.200 ideology get in the road of tackling what has become 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:30.800 a shift in our society that needs to be shifted back. 0:19:31.080 --> 0:19:33.840 We need to look ourselves in the eye and say 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:37.280 our society has denigrated to a point that we need 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.440 serious leadership. And there is anger and there is frustration, 0:19:40.560 --> 0:19:43.960 not just in Bondi but in Western Queenslan. I have 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.160 never seen the fear in the people that I represents 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:49.840 eyes apart from the nine to eleven events, than what 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.119 I saw on Monday morning. And they feel helpless because 0:19:53.119 --> 0:19:56.000 they feel leaderless. And what they want is able to 0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.960 look to somebody and say we want to do something. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:01.879 We want to poor our hearts out to these people, 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.840 the Jewish community and the people in Bondai, but there's 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:07.560 no one to help us. We should be in Canberra now, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.560 all of us. We should be in Canberra now passing 0:20:10.680 --> 0:20:13.640 legislation and saying to the Australian people we will bring 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:14.199 them together. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:15.800 We've looked ourselves in the. 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.240 Eye, and the Prime Minister should say sorry that he 0:20:18.359 --> 0:20:20.359 got it wrong, and we should get on with the 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:22.760 job of saying to the Australian people, we will bring 0:20:22.800 --> 0:20:24.919 you together because we will keep you safe and we 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:27.640 will cut we will cut this cancer out of our 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.800 society that has been allowed to fester because of what 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.440 has been imported into this country and what is allowed 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:38.720 to be spewed out of preachers from the paupits across 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:42.919 Sydney and Melbourne unabated, and there's the warning signs were 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.359 there and I don't know how this Prime Minister cannot 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.320 stand up and say sorry and for the Labor Party, 0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.200 please just bring us together for God's sakes. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.920 I Graham and the Prime Minister today was asked about 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.399 radical Islam and he diverts to perversion of Islam and 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.360 to guns, to blaming, you know, the far right, even. 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.800 The sovereign citizens were brought up today. 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:08.280 What does tackling radical Islam look like in your view? 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:12.880 Well, there's two parts of this, and one comes from 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:14.960 the report that they're already sitting on and been sitting 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:18.639 on for six months from Gillian Siegel, their Special Envoy. 0:21:19.160 --> 0:21:22.320 Recommendation nine said that there needs to be the greatest 0:21:22.359 --> 0:21:25.320 scrutiny and screening of people that we bring into this 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:30.760 country for not only anti Semitism but also for extremist views. 0:21:31.200 --> 0:21:33.000 That could have been done already, but. 0:21:32.960 --> 0:21:36.440 We should also from those warning signs that we saw 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:38.880 on the steps of the Sydney Opera House, we need 0:21:38.920 --> 0:21:41.520 to say to those people that want to use forums 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:48.000 across our country to try and promote hate and promote violence, 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.400 that there is a consequence in society. 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:51.959 You need a deterrent in consequence. 0:21:52.720 --> 0:21:58.800 And even Anthony Alberinezi and Burke said that these preachers 0:21:58.840 --> 0:22:02.159 have just gone underneath the law. They've always worked just 0:22:02.200 --> 0:22:04.080 around it. Will you change the law when you see 0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:06.399 that things are changing on the streets of your cities 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.720 and you lower the bar. And if they have dual citizenship, 0:22:09.960 --> 0:22:12.399 you send them to the country that they've got the 0:22:12.440 --> 0:22:15.160 other citizenship with or if they don't have, you get 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:16.840 them out of here as quick as you can. And 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.600 those that are Australian citizens need to be isolated from 0:22:19.640 --> 0:22:22.639 society so they can't permeate that hate. They need to 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:25.800 be isolated away so that there's a consequence and a 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.199 terran It's not rocket science. And when the warning signs 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:30.879 were there for over two years. 0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:32.880 This is why people are angry. 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.840 They're frustrated and they want to pour out love and hope, 0:22:36.000 --> 0:22:37.920 but they've got no one to look up to because 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.879